Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 762 ｜ No, Jessa Duggar Seewald Did Not Get an Abortion

00:00:00.000 Jessa Duggar-Seawald suffered a miscarriage recently, and yet she's being accused by online trolls, a.k.a. journalists, of being a hypocrite because of her pro-life views. 0.95

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00:00:42.740 Hey, guys.

00:00:43.620 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:44.880 Happy Tuesday.

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00:00:48.740 Okay.

00:00:49.180 If you haven't listened to yesterday's episode about the Gospel Coalition public school versus Christian education debate, go do that.

00:00:56.580 I've gotten a lot of good feedback from y'all that those of you who have chosen Christian education in some way, whether that be homeschool, hybrid, or private school, that you were really encouraged by yesterday's episode.

00:01:09.340 A couple messages from those of you who have chosen public school.

00:01:12.520 Very respectful, kind messages.

00:01:13.940 The only ones that I got that were pushing back in a way that was bothersome were people who decided to respond to my post pointing to the podcast about the subject without actually listening to or watching the episode.

00:01:33.580 And so they don't realize what I threatened with yesterday in my preamble, that I will call your mother and I will tell her that she responded to something without actually listening and that she raised you better than that.

00:01:50.220 And you will go in, I don't know, that you'll go in the chokey like in Matilda if you do that again. 0.82

00:01:58.120 I was kind in my response to you guys who did that, but please don't do that again.

00:02:03.720 Just listen to it, watch it, and then if you still want to come back with your disagreements that you can.

00:02:07.860 But I do appreciate all of the support, encouragement, and then also the respectful disagreement that you guys sent me.

00:02:13.420 So go listen to that episode or you can watch it on YouTube as well.

00:02:16.740 All right.

00:02:17.240 Today I want to start talking about this Jessa Duggar Seawald story.

00:02:21.860 A lot of you sent me her video announcing that she had recently had a miscarriage and then the aftermath of that, which is all of these influencers, all these people on Twitter, Instagram, Reddit, talking about what a hypocrite, apparently, Jessa Seawald is because she's pro-life and yet in a conservative state that has heavily restricted abortion after the overturning of Roe v. Wade. 1.00

00:02:46.580 She got a procedure called a DNC.

00:02:49.300 These people are saying, oh, a DNC is an abortion.

00:02:52.600 She's wealthy.

00:02:53.380 She's privileged.

00:02:54.040 She has access.

00:02:55.200 And so she was able to get this procedure that is otherwise banned for women in the state of Arkansas.

00:03:00.500 As we will talk about today, that is simply not true.

00:03:04.880 That is a lie.

00:03:06.400 People are exploiting her pain, her tragedy, her vulnerability to try to push a political agenda that is centered on the glorification of death.

00:03:17.880 And I'm not sure there is anything really more wicked than that.

00:03:22.020 So let's get into the story.

00:03:23.880 On February 24th, Jessa announced in a YouTube video on her YouTube channel that she had suffered a miscarriage several weeks ago.

00:03:32.780 I didn't originally see this video.

00:03:35.860 I didn't hear about this until the backlash started.

00:03:39.940 So let me play you a little bit of the story that she shared on YouTube.

00:03:43.600 When we were there at the hospital and I knew that I was about to have this DNC, it was about to happen.

00:03:50.860 And I had gone, I'd been prepped for everything.

00:03:54.860 And but right as they were reeling me back, I just wanted to ask, like, please, can I please have one more ultrasound?

00:03:59.840 Like, just please, somebody check, make sure I was, like, having all these fears that maybe they got something wrong.

00:04:08.200 And like, you know, it's irrational, but you just feel like you just feel scared.

00:04:14.100 Probably the most devastating moment was waking up after the procedure was over and just having this hollow feeling inside because you know that the life that was in you is no longer there.

00:04:30.860 Oh, I'm tearing up trying to hold it together so I can keep talking.

00:04:35.580 But I just feel I feel so much for her.

00:04:38.180 She was 11 weeks along at this point.

00:04:40.260 Any of you who have been pregnant, you know, that's almost the end of the first trimester.

00:04:45.160 And so you've already gotten at least one ultrasound at that point.

00:04:49.900 You've seen that little life.

00:04:51.200 You've seen and maybe even heard the heartbeat.

00:04:53.360 Obviously, you would have gotten a positive pregnancy test, which is such an exciting time. 1.00

00:04:57.800 And so at this point, she had probably known that she was pregnant since, you know, she was four weeks along.

00:05:04.120 So this is several weeks of being excited and being and planning with her husband and maybe even sharing with her other children and her siblings and the close friends in her life.

00:05:15.260 And then she finds when she's almost done with her first trimester that she had actually lost the baby.

00:05:21.900 And so this is a summary of what happened of the video of the story that she shared on YouTube from Fox News and Daily Mail.

00:05:30.040 So she experienced a brief period of spotting when she was 11 weeks along.

00:05:35.460 So she and her husband, Ben, went for an ultrasound right before Christmas.

00:05:39.160 And the technician that was performing the sonogram said, well, the sack looks good, but the baby does not.

00:05:45.640 Honestly, she said nothing could have prepared me for the weight of those words in that moment.

00:05:49.800 And gosh, I can imagine as a mother of two who has, I have not gone through a miscarriage, but who has gone through pregnancies.

00:05:58.960 I mean, there's a little bit of nerves in every sonogram that you have, no matter how far along you are, because it can be difficult not seeing the child, especially, you know, early on.

00:06:09.040 You can't feel the child and you're just hoping and praying that everything is OK.

00:06:12.580 And when something starts going a little bit awry in your own body, the first thought is, oh, my gosh, is this child that we have created OK?

00:06:22.160 It says after she lost the baby, she had to go to the hospital for a surgical procedure where the doctor removes an already deceased baby from a womb.

00:06:33.640 And she said the most devastating part was waking up after the procedure and having that hollow feeling inside.

00:06:39.460 You heard her say that they had told their four children, a few others about the pregnancy.

00:06:44.040 And so everyone, not just her, is still processing this miscarriage.

00:06:50.060 And now abortion activists are claiming that she had an abortion and is lying about it, that she's not being totally honest about everything that happened.

00:07:02.820 But I talked to Jessa yesterday, as you can imagine, she's going through a lot.

00:07:08.500 She shared something that was extremely traumatic, extremely tragic for her and her family.

00:07:14.660 She shared it with the hope that she would help other women who have gone through a miscarriage or are going through a miscarriage.

00:07:23.320 I mean, you share something that is so vulnerable, knowing that it's possible for someone to use it against you and hurt you.

00:07:30.940 That's what vulnerability means, but hoping that there is more help directed towards people who need it than harm directed towards you.

00:07:40.600 And at first, it was a positive reaction.

00:07:42.460 There were a lot of people giving her support and encouragement. 0.99

00:07:45.220 And then it was like overnight, a couple of days after the video came out, I mean, the knives were turned towards her calling her a hypocrite, calling her a liar, 0.80

00:07:54.860 claimed that she actually had an abortion that is banned by the very laws that she as a pro-life person would support, in particular in the state of Arkansas. 0.82

00:08:04.380 So let me give you some examples of what's being said about her.

00:08:08.040 This is from the online magazine Jezebel.

00:08:10.880 They consider themselves, of course, a feminist outlet.

00:08:16.500 And this is an article written by Caitlin Cruz.

00:08:18.720 And the title is, Jessa Duggar Seawald had an abortion, even if she won't say the word.

00:08:22.980 I mean, just the evil of this is just, it gives me a pit in my stomach.

00:08:27.680 People magazine and other outlets accepted Duggar's framing of the experience as a quote-unquote miscarriage,

00:08:33.140 which would be fine, except that an anti-abortion celebrity literally having an abortion is probably something that's worth discussing honestly.

00:08:39.860 It's commendable that Duggar Seawald is sharing her experience for procedural abortion.

00:08:43.880 Duggar Seawald's story is proof that abortion treatment is needed and wanted by even the most anti-abortion among us.

00:08:50.760 And abortion is how a miscarriage is treated, to make sure a patient's uterus is completely evacuated.

00:08:55.800 That way, no further complications like sepsis ensue.

00:08:59.440 This is a complete and total lie.

00:09:02.780 A DNC in itself is not an abortion.

00:09:06.160 Some people have an abortion.

00:09:08.120 Some women have abortions and then have to get a DNC. 1.00

00:09:10.880 Some women have miscarriages and then have a DNC. 1.00

00:09:14.860 A DNC doesn't actually kill the child.

00:09:17.540 A DNC removes the child from the womb.

00:09:20.400 And by the way, people have DNCs for all kinds of reasons.

00:09:23.840 They don't just have a DNC because they're pregnant. 1.00

00:09:26.780 They might have a DNC to remove something from their uterus. 1.00

00:09:31.780 And so a DNC in itself, no, is not an abortion.

00:09:35.180 Now, it is true that medical coding says induced abortion, which is you purposely kill the child inside the womb, which is what all anti-abortion pro-life activists are against.

00:09:46.840 And then there is a spontaneous abortion.

00:09:49.740 And yes, I hate that language.

00:09:51.860 That is what the medical coding says.

00:09:53.960 A spontaneous abortion is where the child dies naturally. 0.98

00:09:58.920 No anti-abortion pro-life advocate is morally against that.

00:10:03.620 We're sad about that, of course.

00:10:05.460 We recognize that that's a tragedy.

00:10:09.340 But that is the same difference as it is between someone being murdered outside of the womb and someone dying naturally outside of the womb.

00:10:19.100 Like, do we have to explain this any more slowly or any more clearly?

00:10:23.480 Like, even if you want to say, okay, this was a spontaneous abortion and then she got a DNC for the spontaneous abortion, she did not do anything that any pro-life advocate has ever said that we are against.

00:10:39.500 Her child's heart stopped beating, the doctor told her, three weeks before she got the DNC.

00:10:46.180 She did not have an abortion.

00:10:49.400 She did nothing to purposely kill this child.

00:10:53.760 That is the kind of abortion that pro-lifers and anti-abortion advocates are against. 0.89

00:10:59.880 Duh.

00:11:00.720 Obviously. 1.00

00:11:02.160 Like, I know that y'all, I mean, I'm actually giving you the benefit of the doubt, people who are writing articles like this, that you're just plain dumb. 0.97

00:11:09.820 So, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt there, because you are apparently able to read and you're apparently able to write words and complete a full sentence, I am going to guess that you are just plain like you're ignorant and you actually know the difference between homicide and natural death. 0.94

00:11:29.360 That's the difference between a miscarriage and an induced abortion, an induced abortion and a so-called spontaneous abortion.

00:11:35.980 Taking care of a miscarriage, taking care of what the medical coding calls a spontaneous abortion, is not banned in any state that has passed these pro-life laws since the Dobbs decision or the overturning of Roe v. Wade, as I will get into specifically in just one second.

00:11:55.640 People Magazine.

00:11:57.360 Jessa Duggar says she had a DNC.

00:11:59.020 How does that differ from other abortion procedures?

00:12:01.100 This article details different types of abortion, citing the DNC as an abortion that occurs in the first trimester, but conveniently makes no mention in this article that her baby had already passed away. 0.99

00:12:13.600 I know I'm really intense about this, and there are some people who are going to be like, you should be nicer.

00:12:19.040 You should be nicer to the people who are advocating for the legal dismemberment of babies and who are exploiting someone's tragedy in order to push an agenda that legalizes and glorifies the dismemberment of babies.

00:12:32.320 And like those of you out there, like you would criticize someone having a mean tone towards Satan.

00:12:37.460 OK, I'm not interested in that tone policing.

00:12:40.540 I'm not.

00:12:41.240 We're allowed to be righteously angry about this.

00:12:43.720 Like we're allowed to feel defensive about this.

00:12:45.640 This is as dark and depraved as it gets.

00:12:48.800 All right.

00:12:49.400 The Arkansas Times.

00:12:50.300 Health care for me, but not for thee.

00:12:52.000 A Duggar had an abortion. 1.00

00:12:53.740 Sick. 0.80

00:12:54.520 Current Arkansas law allows abortions for dead fetuses, but not for living ones.

00:13:01.460 I cannot.

00:13:04.020 I cannot.

00:13:05.860 Really?

00:13:06.340 While Seawald was able to access this care, other Arkansas women without similar connections and clout might not. 1.00

00:13:16.400 A lie.

00:13:17.980 A lie.

00:13:20.760 This is from Just Jared, whatever that is.

00:13:23.900 Notoriously pro-life Duggar family member, Jessa Duggar, revealed she had miscarriage and life-saving abortion procedure. 0.98

00:13:29.960 A new video internet response.

00:13:31.400 The dilation and curatage procedure is a minor surgical procedure done to remove tissue from a person's uterus. 0.94

00:13:38.560 Person.

00:13:39.560 Used in abortion care and done for those who suffered a miscarriage or with unexplained bleeding in between menstrual periods.

00:13:47.620 At least they admit in this article that the baby is already gone.

00:13:52.220 So here's some tweets out there from the Tennessee hauler, a left-wing rag.

00:13:56.520 In case you missed it, Jessa Duggar of the famously anti-abortion Duggar family had an abortion due to risks of complications, which is now illegal in Tennessee, thanks to folks like her. 1.00

00:14:05.540 That is a lie.

00:14:06.940 She did not have an abortion.

00:14:08.940 She did not have an abortion.

00:14:10.720 You guys know the difference between an abortion and a miscarriage.

00:14:14.520 Abigail Disney.

00:14:17.280 The Disney heir.

00:14:18.500 She didn't have a miscarriage.

00:14:19.220 Miscarriage.

00:14:19.820 She had a DNC, which is also called an abortion and would be illegal in many states under laws she herself supports.

00:14:25.460 FFS.

00:14:26.380 At least just tell the truth.

00:14:27.780 Contemptible cowardice.

00:14:28.820 You're lying.

00:14:30.380 It's not true.

00:14:31.240 She did have a miscarriage.

00:14:33.560 Were you the technician, Abigail Disney?

00:14:36.480 Were you there performing this onogram?

00:14:38.280 Were you the doctor that told her, hey, your baby's heart, it looks like the baby stopped growing three weeks ago.

00:14:44.140 We have to perform a DNC to get the child who died naturally out of your uterus. 1.00

00:14:48.500 Were you there?

00:14:51.540 And then you've got other left-wing accounts talking about the same thing.

00:14:56.200 People on Reddit disgustingly pushing this kind of lie.

00:15:01.040 Let's look.

00:15:02.140 She lives in the state of Arkansas.

00:15:03.380 And by the way, like I said, I talked to her yesterday and I asked, like, is it okay for me to talk about this stuff?

00:15:09.180 I don't want it to seem, I don't want it to seem like I'm making this worse as you are going through this pain.

00:15:16.840 So I didn't want you to think that I am, you know, making, I didn't want you guys to think that I am making this worse without having talked about, you know, how she is dealing with all of this.

00:15:27.460 I think it's so important that we are clear on this and that we are calling out their lies.

00:15:32.160 So this is the Arkansas abortion law in the state where she lives. 1.00

00:15:35.580 On June 24th, 2022, Arkansas began enforcing its trigger ban, prohibiting abortions at all stages of pregnancy following the U.S. Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

00:15:46.160 Here is part of the law.

00:15:47.360 Section 1, Arkansas Code Title 5, Chapter 61, Subchapter 4.

00:15:51.980 Abortion means the act of using, prescribing, administering, procuring, or selling of any instrument, medicine, drug, or any other substance, device, or means with the purpose to terminate the pregnancy of a woman with knowledge that the termination by any of those means will with reasonable likelihood cause the death of the unborn child.

00:16:16.040 An act under subdivision 1A of the section is not an abortion if the act is performed with the purpose to, one, save the life or preserve the health of the unborn child.

00:16:26.800 Two, remove a dead unborn child caused by spontaneous abortion, a.k.a. miscarriage, or remove an ectopic pregnancy.

00:16:35.940 There is also a document that was published by an attorney and by a doctor on lifenews.com that explains the summary of the different abortion bans that have been passed in 23 states.

00:16:52.200 The article starts like this, again, by an MD and a lawyer studied these laws, studied the medical implications of these laws.

00:16:58.780 It said, in the 23 states with one or more strong abortion bans that were unenforceable before the DOPS decision, state officials are now either enforcing or working towards beginning enforcement.

00:17:09.460 Each of these states permits abortion in those rare and heartbreaking circumstances when it is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman.

00:17:17.000 Now, we can talk about, you know, that some people even have an issue with that kind of language.

00:17:22.000 Physicians can make this determination based on their, quote unquote, reasonable medical judgment, a standard very common in the medical profession and used for any case involving malpractice litigation.

00:17:32.020 Now, that's not what happened in this case with Jessa.

00:17:34.660 I mean, she did not get an abortion to save her life.

00:17:37.760 She got a DNC, which is not in itself an abortion, to remove the child that had already naturally died.

00:17:44.480 But because this is another talking point that is being pushed by these pro-abortion, pro-death activists, I think it's important to just specify that in all of these conservative states, there is an exception.

00:17:57.560 Let's look specifically, get at the state of Arkansas and just see what this article says.

00:18:01.300 We'll link this article, by the way, in the description on the YouTube video and in the description if you're listening.

00:18:06.380 So you can click on it and you can share it yourself.

00:18:08.420 So this is the summary, according to the article of the Arkansas law, where Jessa lives.

00:18:13.980 Arkansas bans abortion unless it is necessary to save a mother's life.

00:18:17.480 It does not prohibit contraception.

00:18:19.420 The law excludes from the definition of abortion acts to preserve the life or the health of the unborn baby, to remove an unborn baby who is miscarried or to treat an ectopic pregnancy.

00:18:27.560 Women upon whom abortions are performed may not be prosecuted.

00:18:32.000 So here are some quotes.

00:18:33.440 A person shall not purposely perform or attempt to perform an abortion except to save the life of a pregnant woman in a medical emergency.

00:18:41.080 Medical emergency means a condition in which an abortion is necessary to preserve the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness or physical injury, including a life endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.

00:18:54.460 The law does not prohibit the sale, use, prescription or administration of a contraceptive measure, drug or chemical if the contraceptive measure, drug or chemical is administered before the time when a pregnancy could be determined through conventional medical testing.

00:19:06.820 And if the contraceptive measure, drug or chemical is sold, used, prescribed or administered in accordance with manufacturer instructions.

00:19:12.960 So again, and I guess I don't have to read this because I don't want to be too repetitive, but it defines specifically what an abortion is.

00:19:22.320 An abortion is a procedure or a drug given to purposely terminate the life of the baby inside the womb. 0.95

00:19:30.100 So here's one thing that you will never see from these people who are launching these kinds of accusations.

00:19:37.440 They will never show you the line in the law that restricts or bans miscarriage care.

00:19:45.480 That's what you should do.

00:19:46.520 You know, we talk about a lot, these tactics of persuasion and how you engage with these kinds of people.

00:19:51.100 And you don't need to engage with bad faith people, people who are lying, but people who want to have a legitimate discussion about this.

00:19:57.880 Instead of just responding to them, you can, you can send them the link or you ask them a question.

00:20:02.160 You put it on them. You put the monkey on their back and you say, oh, OK, you think Jessa Seawald is a hypocrite because of this. 1.00

00:20:10.520 Can you show me the specific line in the Arkansas legislation of the abortion ban that was passed that restricts miscarriage care? 0.89

00:20:17.820 Oh, OK, can can can you send that to me?

00:20:21.300 They never do. They won't be able to.

00:20:23.540 What they'll do is they'll send you an article saying, well, this woman almost died because of this abortion restriction or this woman didn't get the care that she needed because of this abortion restriction.

00:20:32.500 Very many times, like Tennessee, Texas, I've seen a lot of articles saying this.

00:20:37.520 There's not a whole lot of facts about that.

00:20:40.160 Like, it's really hard to actually determine, OK, what prohibited this woman or inhibited this woman and getting the care that she needed when it came to managing her miscarriage.

00:20:49.600 Like, there's no evidence that it had anything to do with the laws at all.

00:20:53.100 Like, maybe she just had incompetent doctors. 0.99

00:20:55.560 But really, again, if you go and you look at all of the laws and you see that it excludes treatment for miscarriages, what people want to call spontaneous abortions, you see that, if anything, the doctors at best are confused and at worst are malicious for political and activist reasons.

00:21:14.740 And this article that I'm reading from on LifeNews.com by this lawyer and by this doctor.

00:21:19.920 They say that, look, we need hospital boards.

00:21:24.440 We need state boards of pharmacy, hospital quality committees and hospital attorneys to provide more detailed guidance to doctors on how to reach determination that abortion is necessary based on the laws on the books.

00:21:37.720 Look, let's not act like all of these doctors and all of these hospitals really are just so befuddled and so held back by these new pro-life laws.

00:21:46.340 There's always been some kind of restriction on these procedures.

00:21:50.480 There's always been some kind of restriction in these states on when you can perform an abortion and how you can perform an abortion.

00:21:57.760 And apparently the doctors in the hospitals were able to comprehend it before then.

00:22:02.080 But now you're telling me that they're like, I don't know.

00:22:04.600 I have no idea how to abide by the law anymore.

00:22:07.220 Who knows?

00:22:08.540 But even if that's the case, that's not the law's fault.

00:22:12.200 These hospitals seem to be very slow in giving this guidance.

00:22:15.400 And I just have to think that it's for political reasons, that they almost want this chaos.

00:22:20.260 They almost want the propaganda.

00:22:21.740 They almost want the lies.

00:22:23.020 They want the anger.

00:22:24.560 They want the other side to believe that women aren't being treated for miscarriages because they believe that it helps change the law to be more pro-abortion, which is evil.

00:22:34.400 I mean, that's what it seems like.

00:22:35.520 Why would that not be your first priority if you cared about the well-being of your female patients, your pregnant patients, to say, OK, the law has changed.

00:22:43.700 Let's update our policies and make it really crystal clear for our doctors what can actually be performed and when.

00:22:50.500 And just let everyone know, hey, miscarriage care, saving the life of the mother has not been touched by these laws.

00:22:57.360 So please go for it.

00:23:00.360 I mean, why wouldn't that be happening if not for malicious and political and confusion based, chaos based, wickedness based reasons here?

00:23:10.360 I mean, it really is.

00:23:13.080 It really is troubling.

00:23:15.460 So, no, Jessa Seewald did not have an abortion. 0.73

00:23:19.780 She did not break the law in Arkansas. 0.85

00:23:23.120 She is not a hypocrite.

00:23:25.700 She did not do anything or receive anything that every other woman in the state of Arkansas who has access to any kind of health care or can walk into an emergency room cannot have.

00:23:36.980 And the fact that you guys are lying in order to, again, push an agenda of death just shows who you are exploiting her tragedy, exploiting her pain, exploiting the death of her child who was made in the image of God shows not her hypocrisy, but your wickedness.

00:24:00.240 I'm just reminded is when I was reading these tweets and reading the story, it just made me so sad for Jessa and what she must be going through to have the pain of losing your child compounded with this and feeling like you have to explain yourself.

00:24:14.300 I was thinking of this verse, John 8, 44, when Jesus is chastising the Pharisees.

00:24:20.420 He says you are of your father, the devil, and your will is to do your father's desires.

00:24:25.640 He was a murderer from the beginning and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. 1.00

00:24:31.960 When he lies, he speaks out of his own character, for he is a liar and the father of lies. 0.99

00:24:36.160 And people who follow the father of lies are going to be pro-deceit and pro-murder. 0.99

00:24:41.000 Period.

00:24:42.200 It's just how it goes.

00:24:43.320 And I don't expect people who follow the father of lies to be able to hear me and to see any clarity whatsoever, save the power of the Holy Spirit.

00:24:50.920 And I pray that happens.

00:24:51.740 I pray that there is repentance there.

00:24:54.700 But that's where we are.

00:24:56.600 The father of lies who has been a murderer since the beginning has authored the chaos and the confusion and the lies surrounding not just this story, but abortion in general.

00:25:06.060 Jessa did respond and she said something that I thought was really good and very true.

00:25:11.020 Um, she commented this on her YouTube video after she started getting some backlash.

00:25:16.440 She said, women have DNCs for many reasons, not all of which involve killing a living human being. 0.98

00:25:20.560 The ultrasound revealed that I had missed, that I had a missed miscarriage.

00:25:25.040 My baby's heart had stopped beating three weeks before I had a DNC.

00:25:28.200 BTW, this was not my first DNC.

00:25:29.780 It was my second.

00:25:30.400 My first was two weeks postpartum IV's birth for retained placenta.

00:25:34.000 So again, just an example.

00:25:36.220 This is, there are many reasons why someone gets a DNC.

00:25:38.280 A DNC is not in itself an abortion.

00:25:41.020 It is to remove something from your uterus or sometimes someone, sometimes after an induced abortion, sometimes after a miscarriage, sometimes when there's something in there that needs to be removed.

00:25:50.400 Each person is created in the image of God.

00:25:51.900 Genesis 127.

00:25:52.860 And to purposely destroy a baby in the womb is an affront to the God who created life.

00:25:56.220 She's absolutely right.

00:25:57.420 There's a world of difference between someone dying and someone being killed.

00:26:00.080 To equate one to the other and to a mother grieving the loss of her baby, no less, is severely distasteful.

00:26:05.120 Well, she's, she's a kind, kind person for putting it that way.

00:26:10.460 There is a world of difference between being a mortician and a murder.

00:26:14.180 Absolutely true.

00:26:15.180 That's a really good way to put it.

00:26:16.500 Even a child understands the difference between the two.

00:26:18.640 Of course.

00:26:19.860 Of course.

00:26:20.940 I mean, these people pushing these lies.

00:26:23.040 I mean, it's Romans 1 made manifest.

00:26:25.300 So I just encourage you.

00:26:27.060 Let's like share some arrows right now.

00:26:28.920 We got my little sticker on here.

00:26:30.460 Let's share some arrows.

00:26:32.040 I mean, she has a lot of followers. 0.98

00:26:34.280 And so she might not see all of your messages.

00:26:36.780 But I just really encourage you to message her on Instagram.

00:26:40.980 Love and encouragement and support.

00:26:43.760 I just ask you to pray for her and pray for her family.

00:26:47.660 Pray for her kids.

00:26:48.540 Pray for her husband. 0.85

00:26:50.000 As they're going through this right now, I just pray that she would be strengthened.

00:26:54.480 And pray that she would be solidified in the goodness of the Lord.

00:26:57.740 That he knows what is true.

00:27:00.440 The people who love her know what is true.

00:27:04.360 And let us also pray for her and our, in the spiritual sense, enemies.

00:27:11.500 Because obviously, like, there are heart issues there.

00:27:14.400 There are salvation issues there.

00:27:16.420 Like, there are soul level issues there to push this kind of lie in the midst of someone's tragedy.

00:27:21.860 And so let's pray for her.

00:27:24.980 Maybe send her your prayer.

00:27:27.100 And what you're praying for her today doesn't have to be lengthy.

00:27:29.900 And even if she never sees it, like, the prayer of the righteous person has great power.

00:27:34.620 And so let's share some arrows.

00:27:36.520 Let's, if you can, and if you want to, you don't have to do this.

00:27:39.660 It kind of just depends on your platform and how you use social media.

00:27:42.980 Push back against the lies.

00:27:44.800 Like, correct the deceit that you see.

00:27:46.420 Because I guarantee you, you'll probably also have some professing Christian friends

00:27:50.660 who are sharing this kind of thing.

00:27:53.020 I know it's wild.

00:27:54.760 But you might.

00:27:56.160 You need to correct them.

00:27:57.540 You need to text them.

00:27:58.600 You need to call them.

00:27:59.840 You need to send them a message.

00:28:01.280 You need to confront your family members that you see sharing this kind of stuff.

00:28:04.760 Because it's not just a matter of Jess's story.

00:28:07.220 I mean, we're talking about the lives of many, many people.

00:28:11.080 The lives of unborn, voiceless children, too.

00:28:14.240 And also, like, we are talking about people, we are talking about women who might, in the

00:28:19.500 future, have a miscarriage and be scared to go to the doctor because of that.

00:28:24.360 They might be scared to get miscarriage care. 0.53

00:28:27.140 They might think that they have to go from their conservative state to a liberal state,

00:28:31.540 from Oklahoma to New Mexico, in order to get miscarriage care. 1.00

00:28:35.740 And that's just not true.

00:28:36.960 Like, you are actually putting women's lives in jeopardy by pushing this lie that you can't

00:28:42.660 get miscarriage care. 0.99

00:28:43.500 But so are doctors and all the hospitals that are refusing to add clarity to this.

00:28:49.420 Obviously, in the state of Arkansas, the doctors there, at least the one that Jess has 0.61

00:28:52.620 saw, like, they're smart enough to realize, oh, yeah, this is not the same thing as an

00:28:56.160 abortion.

00:28:56.540 We're good. 0.96

00:28:56.920 But apparently, for malicious or just ignorant reasons, some aren't.

00:29:03.500 So let's make sure that we're speaking the truth when it comes to this.

00:29:07.220 I mean, when it comes to all things, but certainly when it comes to this, lives depend on it.

00:29:11.240 So let's pray for her.

00:29:12.300 Let's encourage her. 0.83

00:29:13.320 And let's pursue that which is good and right and true.

00:29:16.300 And pray for those who apparently don't know what is good and right and true.

00:29:30.560 All right.

00:29:31.140 We won't spend too much time on the next two stories.

00:29:33.840 These are kind of like pop culture type stories, but they definitely have a moral aspect, a worldview

00:29:40.200 aspect to it.

00:29:41.440 So speaking of unborn life, speaking of the right of unborn children, I wanted to highlight

00:29:49.980 the story about Paris Hilton.

00:29:51.920 Paris Hilton recently welcomed a child into her home via surrogacy.

00:29:56.180 I've done several episodes on surrogacy, most of them with Jennifer Law, who is a bioethics

00:30:02.720 expert, especially when it comes to surrogacy.

00:30:06.060 She's also talked a lot about the dangers of transgender, transgender, so-called treatment. 0.72

00:30:14.260 And so we she talks a lot just about how the medical industry and how the medical world

00:30:20.860 really has exchanged the truth for a lie and has started to objectify women's bodies for 0.63

00:30:31.840 the sake of so-called medical advancement.

00:30:34.580 We talked about that two weeks ago with Libby Emmons, this terrifying suggestion that maybe

00:30:41.500 we can use brain dead women as surrogates for women who want children or not just women 1.00

00:30:48.740 who want children, gay men who want children, anyone who wants a child can apparently rent 0.98

00:30:53.140 the womb of a brain dead woman who, by definition, is unable to give consent. 0.85

00:30:58.780 And by the way, even with consent, I think that surrogacy is immoral.

00:31:04.700 Commercial surrogacy is unethical and is corrupt.

00:31:07.960 Again, go back and listen to some of those episodes that we can link in the description

00:31:11.360 to get my full take on that.

00:31:13.580 But let me tell you a little bit more about this Paris Hilton story, because it's about

00:31:17.120 more than just surrogacy.

00:31:18.760 So this is this is summarized from Glamour and Fox News.

00:31:22.900 Paris Hilton revealed in a February 23rd cover story for Glamour that she is keen to speak

00:31:27.580 out about the repeal of the Supreme Court of Roe v. Wade, especially since she had an abortion

00:31:32.340 in her early 20s.

00:31:34.160 This was also something that I didn't want to talk about because there was so much shame

00:31:37.860 around that.

00:31:38.360 She said, I was a kid.

00:31:39.820 I was not ready for that.

00:31:40.740 20s, you're in your early 20s and you're a kid.

00:31:46.260 Oh, gosh, the prolonged adolescence and juvenility that we have allowed and celebrated in our

00:31:54.280 society that makes someone who is in her early 20s, who had all the resources in the world,

00:31:59.420 by the way, to take care of a child or if she wanted to, to put the child up for adoption. 0.99

00:32:05.440 I mean, that's really sad.

00:32:06.780 That just kind of shows where our culture has gone, that in early 20s, the 20 something

00:32:11.440 would think that they are a child.

00:32:13.160 You're not a child.

00:32:14.460 You're not a child.

00:32:15.400 You're an adult.

00:32:17.060 She said there's just so much politics around it and all that, but it's a woman's body. 1.00

00:32:21.340 Why should there be a law based on that?

00:32:23.220 It's your body, your choice.

00:32:24.820 And I really believe that this is actually like a perfect description of just how far most

00:32:30.180 abortion advocates have thought about abortion, the ethics of abortion.

00:32:34.760 Oh, there's so much politics.

00:32:36.020 It's a woman's body. 1.00

00:32:37.640 Why should there be a law?

00:32:38.880 Like, I just wonder if she thought about that anymore, anymore, if she would see how,

00:32:44.660 oh, at least at some point, at some point, there is a competition there between a woman's 1.00

00:32:52.720 right to do whatever she wants with what is inside her body and the human being's right

00:32:58.120 to live.

00:32:58.700 Obviously, I believe that that human being has a right to live from the point that that

00:33:02.420 is a human being, which is conception.

00:33:04.280 But if you just think about it a little bit, even an abortion advocate can maybe say, okay,

00:33:10.560 maybe at some point, maybe at some point, like when that baby feels pain, when that baby

00:33:15.440 is kicking and moving around to the point that the mother can actually feel the baby.

00:33:19.940 But according to this logic, she believes that through all 40 plus weeks of pregnancy, that

00:33:25.300 this baby has no right to life and that the mother can actually just have the baby murdered 0.98

00:33:30.700 and that it's her body in the name of rights, in the name of bodily autonomy, there should 1.00

00:33:34.360 be no law whatsoever restricting that.

00:33:36.620 That's what a lot of these abortion advocates actually think, because they really have not

00:33:42.700 thought about it, including people in Congress, by the way.

00:33:45.040 This is about as sophisticated an argument as it gets.

00:33:47.880 It's mind-boggling to me that they're making laws about what you do with your reproductive 1.00

00:33:51.400 health.

00:33:52.160 Look, you've already reproduced if you're getting an abortion. 1.00

00:33:54.580 No one's stopping you from reproducing.

00:33:57.400 It has nothing to do with reproductive health. 1.00

00:33:59.340 We just don't believe that you should be able to kill a child just because it's defenseless,

00:34:03.220 just because it's small, just because it's located inside your womb, just because it's

00:34:07.680 not fully developed yet.

00:34:08.720 Why are those good reasons, valid reasons, objective reasons to justify killing a human

00:34:14.120 being?

00:34:15.160 She said, because if it were the other way around with the guys, it would not be this

00:34:19.140 way at all.

00:34:20.260 I'm sorry, I'm trying not to be rude about what she's saying.

00:34:23.800 If it were the other way around with the guys, it would not be this way at all.

00:34:27.980 What does that mean?

00:34:28.980 If a guy, if he needed an abortion, he'd be able to get an abortion. 1.00

00:34:33.220 Okay.

00:34:34.560 Most pro-life activists and advocates, by the way, are women.

00:34:39.300 So there's that.

00:34:41.400 And so she had a surrogate for her child in January 2023.

00:34:48.680 This is from Glamour People and Entertainment Weekly.

00:34:52.040 Paris turned to her childhood friend Kim Kardashian for advice.

00:34:54.900 Kim Kardashian used a surrogate for at least two of her children. 0.97

00:34:58.720 Might be three, but at least two.

00:35:00.300 For advice on having kids and had one round of IVF and her ex frozen in her late 30s because 0.86

00:35:05.280 she was planning to have a baby on her own.

00:35:07.780 But when she started dating Carter, her husband now, when she started dating Carter, they realized

00:35:15.020 just as COVID-19 hit that it would be more prudent to freeze her embryos. 0.99

00:35:19.520 They had frozen 20 embryos during lockdown.

00:35:22.460 And we've done it, frozen embryos seven times.

00:35:25.020 I have all boys.

00:35:26.060 I have 20 boys.

00:35:27.060 So she's acknowledging, she's acknowledging a lot of things that these are humans.

00:35:31.940 She's calling them boys and that they also have a gender already at the point of conception. 0.57

00:35:38.040 They're embryos.

00:35:39.180 We already know what their gender is because that happens at the moment of conception. 1.00

00:35:43.000 Those are your, that's your DNA.

00:35:44.920 So she has souls on ice, 20 of them.

00:35:47.960 And she's talking about this flippantly.

00:35:50.780 Obviously, she's not going to implant all of these and surrogates. 1.00

00:35:55.300 So obviously, I mean, maybe some will be adopted.

00:35:58.280 Probably not.

00:35:59.340 Most of them will probably die. 0.99

00:36:01.240 Most of them will probably be aborted.

00:36:03.900 That's also, I mean, an ethical question to think through with IVF, as I've talked about

00:36:08.660 several times.

00:36:09.620 But instead of having another one of those boys, they would really like a girl.

00:36:15.140 So like you see the eugenics that's inherent in these, in this, I'm not saying that eugenics

00:36:22.560 is a part of all forms of IVF, although I do have ethical qualms with IVF in general.

00:36:27.100 But you see how IVF can be used towards eugenics.

00:36:30.840 Like if this person had had 20 girls and was like, I really want a boy, hate girls.

00:36:34.800 I don't want to have a girl like you see how this is an issue. 1.00

00:36:39.980 It's not really all that different from when China implemented its policies and said, yeah,

00:36:48.300 you can only have this many children and you're going to abort your second and third child.

00:36:55.860 And I mean, in India, where there was a genocide against the girls because they just wanted 0.98

00:37:01.380 to have boys.

00:37:02.040 It's like we look at those kind of countries and we're like, wow, that's so brutal.

00:37:06.080 That's so terrible.

00:37:06.780 This is happening every day in the United States.

00:37:09.260 We just think it's more sophisticated and ethical because we call it IVF.

00:37:14.380 I just went through the process again a month ago.

00:37:16.660 So I'm waiting for the results to see if there's any girls. 1.00

00:37:19.480 And by the way, I'm not saying that this is typical of all of you out there who had IVF.

00:37:23.700 I'm just showing you that some of the problems that happen that can happen in this process.

00:37:28.420 When asked if she's a surrogate because of her age, 42.

00:37:30.820 Wow, I didn't realize she was that old. 0.90

00:37:32.480 She said that she would still use a surrogate if she was 20 years old.

00:37:36.500 And the part of this, the part of this is that she that the one of the reasons why she 0.93

00:37:43.140 had a surrogate is because she's so scared of childbirth. 1.00

00:37:46.600 Childbirth and death are two things that scare me more than anything in the world.

00:37:50.360 And she talks about how part of that is because she she had an abortion and the abortion scared

00:37:58.760 her so much and the abortion traumatized her.

00:38:02.580 And in a way, I'm kind of summarizing what she said, that that is part of why she feared

00:38:08.000 childbirth.

00:38:09.200 Don't you see like the effects of abortion long term that can end up in this kind of long

00:38:16.140 term fear that can end up with another unethical choice, which is surrogacy.

00:38:21.760 And the reason why commercial surrogacy is so exploitative and is so unethical to me is

00:38:29.200 because you are buying someone's body.

00:38:31.680 You're buying someone's body because you're fearful or for whatever reason it is, you are

00:38:37.700 renting their womb. 0.76

00:38:39.540 Surrogacy pregnancies are often very dangerous, both for the baby and for the mother.

00:38:44.740 I mean, this is a foreign child that was not created in this mother's body, carried by 1.00

00:38:49.320 this uterus. 0.75

00:38:50.020 And so you're putting risk on them.

00:38:51.840 And again, I don't really care if there's consent there.

00:38:54.080 Consent based morality is very, very flimsy.

00:38:57.400 Like someone cannot consensually sell themselves into slavery and indentured servitude.

00:39:03.520 There's a reason why those things are also banned in the United States.

00:39:07.140 Prostitution.

00:39:08.140 There are legal restrictions around prostitution, even if there is consent around it, because

00:39:12.300 we realize that the lines between prostitution and sex trafficking are very blurry.

00:39:16.100 The lines between commercial surrogacy and human trafficking, very blurry.

00:39:20.740 Someone who is desperate for money, who is willing to rent out her womb for someone else. 1.00

00:39:25.860 I mean, can you even say that that is fully consent?

00:39:29.080 I certainly don't think that it's moral.

00:39:30.820 In addition to all of the dangers and everything.

00:39:34.040 Plus, I mean, you are purposely, intentionally removing the bond that is created between the

00:39:41.180 mother and child and pregnancy, giving it to someone else, then tearing that child away 0.97

00:39:45.920 from the woman that he or she has created a bond with for nine months.

00:39:51.480 There are all kinds of problems with it.

00:39:53.340 I do distinguish between commercial surrogacy and the surrogacy that happens between family

00:39:57.020 members.

00:39:57.560 I think there are still ethical questions about that.

00:39:59.740 But certainly commercial surrogacy is completely corrupt.

00:40:03.120 I think it's absolutely an abomination.

00:40:05.220 And the fact that rich men and women feel like they have a right to rent another woman's

00:40:12.520 womb because they are scared of childbirth in order to give themselves a child, a child,

00:40:17.440 by the way, is not a right.

00:40:20.320 I think it shows how we see children.

00:40:23.760 We see children as accessories in this country.

00:40:26.280 We see children as something that we are owed.

00:40:29.020 We see children as something that we deserve and through any means possible.

00:40:34.840 We think that we can get them without ever thinking about their rights.

00:40:38.420 Or we can discard them.

00:40:39.500 We can discard them when they're embryos.

00:40:40.960 We can discard them when they're a fetus inside the womb. 0.99

00:40:44.560 I think this is the exact opposite of the biblical call to protect children and to see them as a

00:40:51.140 vulnerable class and to be a refuge for them.

00:40:54.120 I think that's why Jesus paid such special attention to children and said that we should

00:40:58.300 have faith like a child.

00:41:00.640 I think that's why Psalm 139 goes through the intricate makings of children inside the womb.

00:41:06.260 God cares about these human beings from conception onward.

00:41:09.940 And we should too.

00:41:12.160 Okay.

00:41:13.000 Well, let me just read you.

00:41:14.300 There were a couple lines before we quickly end with the next segment.

00:41:18.560 There were a couple lines from Jennifer Law's recent article that she wrote in the First

00:41:24.200 Things magazine.

00:41:25.660 And Who Owns the Body is the title of the article.

00:41:29.460 February 28th today is when it came out.

00:41:32.420 And I actually just love the title.

00:41:33.880 Who Owns the Body? 0.96

00:41:36.180 And she's actually talking about this suggestion that we should use brain dead women, as we talked

00:41:41.060 about a couple weeks ago, to be surrogates for people who want babies.

00:41:45.600 And she asks some questions.

00:41:47.100 And she says, would it be ethical to create human beings with the intention of subjecting

00:41:50.700 them to such an experimental process?

00:41:53.040 Because it is an experimental process.

00:41:54.640 Actually, all of surrogacy, implanting someone else's embryo inside you is an experimental process.

00:42:00.660 Like your child, without any consent, by the way, is becoming an experimental, a scientific

00:42:06.920 experiment, and even a social experiment in a lot of ways, especially when you're talking

00:42:10.960 about buying the eggs.

00:42:12.560 Like when two gay men buy an egg, buy eggs from a woman, implant them in another woman 1.00

00:42:17.820 to have that child. 0.93

00:42:18.720 I mean, you're talking about so many psychological and physical consequences there that, again,

00:42:23.640 are just like totally disregarded because this couple says, oh, I have a right to have a

00:42:27.680 child no matter, no matter what.

00:42:30.720 And then she says this at the end, which I think is, I think it's really good as she

00:42:35.940 is asking this question of, is it, who, who really owns the body?

00:42:41.600 She says, we don't own the body, but we do owe the human body, the embodied person, brain

00:42:46.160 dead or not, and the child in her womb.

00:42:48.340 We owe them both respect and dignity.

00:42:50.660 And while she doesn't say this here, we know from a Christian perspective that God owns

00:42:55.480 the body.

00:42:56.540 God owns the body.

00:42:58.520 Yes, bodily autonomy can be a value.

00:43:01.560 Of course, like we don't believe that the government should be able to force a vaccine

00:43:05.360 into someone's body or the government shouldn't be able to enslave someone's body.

00:43:09.700 And so, of course, to a degree, bodily autonomy is a good value to have, but autonomy cannot

00:43:16.260 be our highest value, just like authenticity has to be subjected to the word of God.

00:43:22.060 That means my autonomy does not trump the right of another person to live, including the baby

00:43:28.320 that God has created inside the mother's womb.

00:43:31.220 So this is what happens.

00:43:32.340 Once again, another consequence.

00:43:34.540 Every day we talk about this of replacing the God of scripture with the God of self.

00:43:39.940 The God of self is cruel.

00:43:41.440 It's so cruel.

00:43:42.820 All it cares about is serving itself.

00:43:45.160 And so it will literally lay anything, including babies, including especially children, on its

00:43:52.440 altar.

00:43:53.320 All right, let's talk a little bit more about the medical industry just quickly with this

00:43:56.980 last crazy segment about Woody Harrelson.

00:44:10.340 Okay, so Woody Harrelson hosted SNL.

00:44:13.720 Yes, SNL is still in business.

00:44:15.920 It's still running a show, apparently.

00:44:19.140 And on Saturday night, he hosted it.

00:44:21.860 And, you know, the hosts, they give a little monologue, a little funny monologue.

00:44:25.880 And there has been some truth that's been shared in that monologue a few times that I do wonder,

00:44:31.460 because I'm sure that people who work at Saturday Night Live have to approve this monologue,

00:44:37.540 like I'm guessing, before it's actually performed on television.

00:44:40.500 So I do wonder how what he says here passed the producers and the directors and the writers and all that.

00:44:50.740 Here he is.

00:44:51.200 So the movie goes like this.

00:44:53.900 The biggest drug cartels in the world get together and buy up all the media and all the politicians

00:45:00.920 and force all the people in the world to stay locked in their homes.

00:45:05.180 And people can only come out if they take the cartels' drugs and keep taking them over and over.

00:45:12.720 I threw the script away.

00:45:14.140 I mean, who is going to believe that crazy idea?

00:45:19.880 Okay, so there you go.

00:45:23.840 And not that many people were laughing, if you noticed.

00:45:27.660 But, I mean, he's absolutely right.

00:45:29.260 And by the way, I've seen other people say this.

00:45:31.960 I think it was Bridget Phetasy that I first saw say this on Twitter, that you guys don't get it.

00:45:37.240 He is just a typical liberal.

00:45:39.980 He is what the hippie liberals used to be, questioning the institutions.

00:45:44.140 The fact that we have so-called liberals today that are just so gung-ho for big pharma.

00:45:50.300 Like, you can be very pro-vaccine.

00:45:52.240 Maybe you're even pro-COVID-19 vaccine.

00:45:55.940 And still look at just how the pharmaceutical companies are set up, how much power they hold,

00:46:01.780 how much sway they have over our media networks, over our major corporations, over our government,

00:46:08.160 and think, huh, this probably isn't good.

00:46:12.620 That they are making money as they are enforcing policy that restricts our freedoms.

00:46:18.200 Maybe that's not a great thing.

00:46:20.180 And I understand a lot of people still somehow, to this day, three years, we're about to mark three years of COVID.

00:46:27.060 You still don't see it.

00:46:29.080 You still don't see it.

00:46:30.220 Like, you still think all is well and good.

00:46:33.100 There's nothing conspiratorial going on there.

00:46:36.160 And I mean conspiratorial like in the real sense, not a conspiracy theory, like a conspiracy between big government and big pharma.

00:46:45.380 You still just don't see the connection there.

00:46:48.280 I mean, that's pretty incredible.

00:46:50.660 Honestly, that's impressive.

00:46:52.200 That's impressive.

00:46:53.460 You have a lot of faith.

00:46:54.780 Now, Woody Harrelson, this is not the first time that he's talked about all of this.

00:47:00.740 He was actually on a Bill Maher's podcast, on the Club Random podcast.

00:47:06.140 And here's what he had to say.

00:47:07.920 The last people I would trust with my health is big pharma and big government,

00:47:14.360 because neither one of those strike me as caring entities.

00:47:18.300 Ivermectin got made into a, you know, horse tranquilizer, a horse, whatever it is.

00:47:25.140 Which it is, but also used by humans.

00:47:28.040 It was used by millions and millions of humans. 0.86

00:47:33.340 Hydroxychloroquine got made ridiculous.

00:47:37.040 And there was only one thing that could work, and that's the vaccine, right?

00:47:42.120 And so ultimately, because of that,

00:47:47.640 billions of dollars was made.

00:47:50.560 I mean, that's irrefutable.

00:47:53.400 That's just true.

00:47:54.440 I mean, I guess you don't have to agree with him that he doesn't, you know,

00:47:57.760 we shouldn't trust our health to big pharma and big government, 0.97

00:48:00.840 although I think that's very silly and naive of you.

00:48:03.080 But it's just true that these policies were pushed, that the vaccine-exclusive approach

00:48:08.460 was pushed, and policies followed that, that actually restricted your freedoms and took

00:48:13.040 away people's livelihoods.

00:48:15.040 And just admit that the only reason that you refuse to see that is because of politics,

00:48:19.240 because you don't like Trump, because you don't like the right.

00:48:21.560 Like, some people still just refuse to see the truth that actually had a huge detrimental

00:48:26.460 effect on people's lives, not just here, but around the world, because of this myopic view

00:48:31.440 of left, right, and blue-red.

00:48:34.900 I mean, I appreciate someone like Woody Harrelson, who I'm sure is pro-choice and disagrees with

00:48:41.220 me on most things.

00:48:42.820 Like, I appreciate him kind of going out of that political binary and saying, okay, but

00:48:46.980 this is actually true.

00:48:48.040 I mean, he probably votes Democrat, or maybe I could see him not voting at all.

00:48:51.820 But the media, bought and paid for, in large part, by organizations like Pfizer, they had

00:49:00.440 an interesting reaction to this.

00:49:02.280 So, so unsurprising, so stunning that they had a negative reaction.

00:49:07.260 So this is, according to Rolling Stone, Woody Harrelson spreads anti-vax conspiracies during

00:49:12.040 SNL monologue.

00:49:13.900 Did he say he was anti-vaccine?

00:49:15.980 Everything is anti-vax.

00:49:17.340 Questioning the integrity of billion-dollar corporations that are making billions and

00:49:22.780 billions of dollars off of a vaccine that sometimes has negative effects on people's

00:49:27.400 health.

00:49:27.700 That's an anti-vax conspiracy theory.

00:49:30.520 Daily Beast, Woody Harrelson spews anti-vax conspiracies in rambling SNL monologue.

00:49:36.340 HuffPost, Woody Harrelson rambles about weed anti-vax conspiracy in SNL monologue.

00:49:41.780 Variety.

00:49:43.660 Woody Harrelson's Saturday Night Live monologue makes COVID conspiracy jokes.

00:49:48.500 Wah! 0.94

00:49:49.600 On the Washington Post.

00:49:51.220 On SNL, Woody Harrelson pushes popular COVID-19 conspiracy theory.

00:49:55.500 And then on Twitter, we had a lot of blue check journalists saying the same thing.

00:49:59.320 How on earth did this get to air, said Matt Bavin.

00:50:02.180 So there were many journalists and many online influencers saying the same thing, that he's

00:50:08.740 an anti-vax conspiracy theorist.

00:50:10.940 So let's look at some of the conspiracy theories.

00:50:13.980 Let's look at some of the conspiracy theories that the media has told us that we should not

00:50:18.000 believe in the past few years.

00:50:19.240 And what's actually come of them, just real quickly.

00:50:32.000 All right.

00:50:32.700 So the FDA said about ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine a couple of years ago, a drug meant for use

00:50:39.000 as an animal dewormer is being used by some people to treat COVID-19 from The Guardian.

00:50:44.600 No, you should not take ivermectin to treat COVID-19.

00:50:48.780 While there are approved uses for ivermectin in people and animals, it is not approved for

00:50:53.520 the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 from The Guardian.

00:50:58.980 Also, they said that there are big side effects to ivermectin that could require hospitalization.

00:51:06.140 And that's why you should not take it.

00:51:09.080 CNN called it a horse dewormer, said that it was a tranquilizer.

00:51:14.080 The Washington Post called it a horse dewormer.

00:51:17.520 CNBC demonized hydroxychloroquine, which, by the way, doctors still in some cases are

00:51:23.200 using effectively to treat COVID-19.

00:51:26.480 And CNBC said that this is an unproven treatment.

00:51:31.020 And so over and over again, I wish that we had a montage for you.

00:51:34.960 There's probably one out there, news outlets saying this is horse dewormer.

00:51:40.220 This is horse tranquilizer.

00:51:41.560 You should never use COVID-19.

00:51:43.000 Now, according to the American Journal of Therapeutics, moderate certainty evidence finds

00:51:48.420 that large reductions in COVID-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin.

00:51:52.600 Using ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease.

00:51:58.000 The apparent safety and low cost suggests that ivermectin is likely to have a significant

00:52:01.360 impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.

00:52:05.340 Now, this has been said, like, by Dr. Pierre Corey for a very long time.

00:52:10.560 He came on my show, one of my most popular episodes ever, and talked about this.

00:52:14.560 Ivermectin is used by humans throughout the world.

00:52:17.240 It has been used by billions of humans throughout the world, especially those that live in developing

00:52:21.880 countries like Africa that suffer from river blindness and things like that.

00:52:25.560 But that wasn't even acknowledged by the media.

00:52:27.200 We just heard that it was horse dewormer.

00:52:31.660 No, it's been used safely by Americans for a very long time.

00:52:35.660 So even if because there still is debate about how effective it actually is, same thing with

00:52:39.540 hydroxychloroquine.

00:52:40.720 There are very few downsides to these drugs for it to have been demonized the way that it is.

00:52:45.320 And it was all in service of this narrative that the only thing that can help you is the vaccine.

00:52:50.420 And isn't it interesting that a lot of these networks like CNN are regularly sponsored by

00:52:55.180 Pfizer?

00:52:57.060 Then we heard that school shutdowns, that shutting down schools is going to be very helpful,

00:53:01.380 that we need to do it for compassion to save grandma.

00:53:04.540 USA Today, the best strategy is to put time and money in developing a robust and equitable

00:53:08.120 remote learning plan.

00:53:10.200 USA Today, those arguing that children must return to buildings for a quality education

00:53:13.460 need to know this is impossible.

00:53:15.680 The author of the USA Today article argues that the horrendous but temporary educational and

00:53:20.360 psychological crisis of remote learning isn't as bad as the COVID crisis.

00:53:25.940 On Neil Cavuto show in August 2022, Fauci said in response to the question of if lockdowns

00:53:32.060 have hurt children, well, I don't think it's irreparable damage to anyone.

00:53:37.840 USA Today, teachers like me don't feel safe enough to return to the classroom yet.

00:53:43.240 And then you'll remember all of those protests by the teachers and the teachers unions,

00:53:47.260 the die-ins pretending that they're going to die.

00:53:50.360 If you open up schools again, remember that in Arizona, in places like Chicago, throughout

00:53:55.220 the country, sponsored by the teachers unions, pushing this propaganda that these teachers

00:53:59.680 are actually going to die if they open up the schools.

00:54:03.460 And of course, kids were kids and their well-being and their normal maturation and their education

00:54:08.860 were a sacrifice of the paranoia of anti-science adults.

00:54:14.780 It's really sad.

00:54:16.020 Now we know the truth.

00:54:17.840 The national report card released in October 22 by the National Center for Education Statistics

00:54:21.960 found that the average math score for fourth graders fell five points since 2019 and reading

00:54:29.160 average scores for both grades fell three points.

00:54:32.280 In addition, the percentage of students below the basic level, the lowest level of academic

00:54:36.480 achievement grew.

00:54:37.400 25% of fourth graders were below the basic level in 2022, and 38% of eighth graders were

00:54:43.100 below the National Assessment of Educational Progress basic level.

00:54:46.680 In reading the percentage of students below the NAEP basic increase by three percentage points

00:54:51.160 in both fourth and eighth grade.

00:54:54.340 According to Pew Research in November of 2021, emergency department visits for suspected suicide

00:55:00.500 attempts in kids jumped 31% in 2020 compared to 2019.

00:55:04.880 In February and March of 2021, emergency department visits for suspected suicide attempts were 51%

00:55:10.960 higher.

00:55:11.620 This is all for a virus, by the way, for which kids had a 99.99% survival rate.

00:55:21.260 Instead, we said, no, it's better for you to be more likely to commit suicide and for you

00:55:25.460 to not be able to read.

00:55:27.660 Nearly every child in the country is suffering to some degree from the psychological effects of

00:55:32.580 the pandemic.

00:55:33.980 This is co-director of the University of Maryland-based National Center for School of Mental Health.

00:55:40.400 Vaccines.

00:55:41.000 What they said, CDC said that there are benefits of getting vaccinated against COVID.

00:55:44.840 They said, you're not going to get COVID.

00:55:50.900 That's what Rochelle Walensky said. 0.96

00:55:52.920 That's what we heard on MSNBC.

00:55:54.320 It's going to stop.

00:55:55.420 If you get infected with COVID, you won't get any symptoms from COVID.

00:55:58.520 It's going to stop with you.

00:55:59.500 You won't be able to spread COVID.

00:56:02.500 CDC said COVID-19 vaccines offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection

00:56:07.060 against being hospitalized from a new infection.

00:56:13.220 We were told that natural immunity, the natural immunity was a dangerous conspiracy theory and

00:56:18.900 that natural immunity, for some reason, unlike any other disease, any other illness, had no

00:56:24.800 effect on your ability to get COVID again.

00:56:28.840 And now we know that that is not true.

00:56:32.360 CNN said vaccination protects against COVID-19 more strongly than previous infection does.

00:56:39.760 A study analysis.

00:56:40.720 This is now later.

00:56:42.120 A study analysis from The Lancet, though, in February 2023, showed that natural immunity

00:56:47.380 protection from the past infection and any symptomatic disease was high, actually, for

00:56:53.280 forms of the coronavirus.

00:56:55.740 Protection from past infection against reinfection from pre-Omicron variants was very high and remained

00:57:01.580 high even after 40 weeks.

00:57:03.960 It's just as strong, if not stronger, than immunity that is apparently given to you by the vaccine.

00:57:12.900 Masks, we were first told don't work by Fauci in March of 2020.

00:57:16.320 Then we were told that they absolutely worked.

00:57:19.980 If you're an anti-masker, this started in June of 2020.

00:57:22.700 If you're anti-masker, you're anti-grandma, you're anti-science.

00:57:25.920 This is absolutely helping.

00:57:27.620 This is keeping people from getting sick.

00:57:29.220 And yet we saw study after study proving that that's not true.

00:57:32.020 CDC said consistently wearing a comfortable mask in indoor settings protects against acquisition

00:57:38.100 of COVID.

00:57:39.340 Consistent use of a mask or respirator in indoor settings was associated with lower odds of

00:57:43.580 a positive test result, says the CDC.

00:57:46.920 The University of San Francisco said the same thing.

00:57:49.600 The New York Times said we did the research of masks work.

00:57:52.640 The science survey in 2021 said unmasking the mask conspiracy theories.

00:57:57.280 Now, there is a study that was published in Cochrane Library, which is the premier collection

00:58:03.140 of medical literature in the world.

00:58:04.880 A study titled Physical Interventions to Interrupt or Reduce the Spread of Respiratory

00:58:09.700 Viruses.

00:58:10.460 This came out January 30th of 2023.

00:58:13.180 Wearing masks in the community makes little or no difference to the outcome of laboratory

00:58:17.960 confirmed influenza compared to not wearing masks.

00:58:22.520 So this was a meta-analysis of all of the studies that have been done around masks.

00:58:26.000 And by the way, this evidence has been around for a very long time.

00:58:30.160 We have known since 2020 that community mask wearing wasn't working, thanks to the journalism

00:58:35.700 of people like David Zwick, who was writing for liberal magazines at the time, like The

00:58:41.400 New Yorker, yet was going through the CDC studies that the CDC said was proving that masks work.

00:58:47.800 And he was showing that actually the data they're saying proves their conclusion does not prove

00:58:52.360 their conclusion.

00:58:52.980 And all of these studies are faulty.

00:58:55.260 Ian Miller, we had him on the show.

00:58:57.800 He has a Twitter account that is literally almost exclusively dedicated to showing graphs that prove

00:59:03.400 that there is zero correlation in a state or in a country between high mask wearing and an increase

00:59:09.640 or a decrease of COVID cases or COVID fatalities.

00:59:13.840 I mean, he has been showing that literally for years at this point.

00:59:18.060 And every time he sees, you know, more data come out or every time he sees a headline saying,

00:59:23.520 why don't masks work?

00:59:24.520 He's like, I've literally been talking about this, improving this with numbers for years

00:59:28.300 and still I'll get messages of people angry that I ever questioned this.

00:59:33.300 It's like a religion to people.

00:59:34.800 They just can't let go of it because it's the only proof of virtue that they have really been

00:59:39.060 able to uphold for so long.

00:59:41.420 Same thing with the lab leak theory.

00:59:43.120 We were told that's a conspiracy theory.

00:59:44.840 Like, do you remember in the Washington Post when Senator Tom Cotton, he published an article

00:59:50.220 saying, you know what, this is there's a high probability that this is not from some bat

00:59:55.880 in a wet market in Wuhan somewhere in China, that this actually probably was an experiment

01:00:02.920 gone wrong.

01:00:03.680 It probably actually leaked from the lab.

01:00:05.640 And then there were some people who were wondering, well, is it purposeful?

01:00:08.900 Like, does it help China in some way?

01:00:11.700 And so we were told that that was a conspiracy theory.

01:00:15.340 This is a headline from NPR.

01:00:17.420 Scientists debunk lab accident theory of pandemic emergence.

01:00:20.680 That's April 20th, 2020.

01:00:23.060 CNN, lably COVID-19 theory is like something out of a comic book, virologist says.

01:00:27.500 That's March 31st, 2021.

01:00:28.960 CNN, nearly 30% in the U.S. believe a coronavirus theory that's almost certainly not true.

01:00:35.560 That was 2020.

01:00:36.580 CNN, coronavirus almost certainly came from an animal, not a lab leak, top scientists argue.

01:00:42.540 That was in 2021.

01:00:43.820 CNBC, Trump suspects coronavirus outbreak came from China lab.

01:00:46.820 Doesn't cite evidence.

01:00:48.500 That was 2020.

01:00:49.420 CNN, Trump contradicts U.S. intel community by claiming he's seen evidence coronavirus originated

01:00:54.960 in Chinese lab.

01:00:56.160 Insider, theory that coronavirus accidentally leaked from Chinese lab?

01:01:00.600 Unlikely.

01:01:01.120 That was April 15th, 2020.

01:01:03.200 So I just wonder, like, how much money are these people getting from China?

01:01:06.400 Or was it just an anti-Trump thing?

01:01:08.720 So weird how these people who felt like apparently COVID was the biggest threat to humanity that

01:01:16.340 has ever existed, like had no interest whatsoever in finding out where it came from and then how

01:01:21.040 we can prevent it from happening again.

01:01:22.660 And now the U.S. Energy Department has concluded that the COVID-19 pandemic most likely arose

01:01:28.480 from a laboratory leak.

01:01:31.020 According to a classified intelligence report recently provided to the White House and key

01:01:34.320 members of Congress, the Energy Department now joins the Federal Bureau of Investigation

01:01:38.320 by saying the virus likely spread via a mishap at a Chinese library.

01:01:42.300 I don't, or laboratory.

01:01:44.700 Library, that'd be interesting.

01:01:46.400 U.S. officials declined to give details on the fresh intelligence and analysis that led the

01:01:49.660 Energy Department to change its position.

01:01:51.600 Wall Street Journal.

01:01:52.800 Lab leak most likely origin of COVID-19 pandemic.

01:01:55.260 Energy Department now says.

01:01:56.560 CNN.

01:01:57.980 U.S. Energy Department assesses COVID-19 likely resulted from lab leak, furthering U.S. intel

01:02:03.500 divide over virus origin.

01:02:05.820 So I don't know.

01:02:08.620 Maybe Woody Harrelson is on to something.

01:02:11.080 Maybe we shouldn't listen to people who says things or who say things are conspiracy theories

01:02:16.180 when they have been proven wrong so many times.

01:02:19.120 They said the same thing about menstrual cycles.

01:02:21.000 No, there's no way that it can infect a woman's menstrual cycle. 0.65

01:02:24.160 And then a study published in the Journal of Science Advances found that 42% of women

01:02:28.460 with regular menstrual cycles said they bled more heavily than usual after vaccination.

01:02:33.120 So I also don't think it's crazy for someone to say, hmm, something that messes with my

01:02:36.680 reproduction.

01:02:38.220 I'm just not sure if I want to put it in my body. 0.98

01:02:40.720 And of course, you were told that you were some paranoid, crazy freak who doesn't love 0.99

01:02:44.560 your neighbor. 0.66

01:02:45.820 I think that Woody Harrelson probably has more common sense and more wisdom than most

01:02:50.520 of the people in the media who claim to be our moral and intellectual betters.

01:02:55.280 It's just what I'm thinking.

01:02:57.060 All right.

01:02:57.800 That's all we got time for today, guys.

01:02:59.440 All we got time for today.

01:03:00.840 God is sovereign, not big pharma, not big government, not the trolls on the internet,

01:03:05.720 but the good and loving and all powerful God who will win in the end.

01:03:11.380 Just a reminder on this crazy day.

01:03:13.700 All right.

01:03:15.400 Tomorrow, we have a fun interview for you.

01:03:18.540 Amazing interview.

01:03:19.200 I'm so excited.

01:03:19.800 And Thursday, we've got a director of a pregnancy center. 0.99

01:03:22.400 Gosh, she is incredible.

01:03:24.080 I cried.

01:03:24.980 Tears of joy.

01:03:25.840 Tears of joy and gratitude.

01:03:27.140 But throughout our conversation, you're going to be so encouraged by it.

01:03:31.740 All right.

01:03:32.300 I will see you guys back here tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - February 28, 2023

Ep 762 ｜ No, Jessa Duggar Seewald Did Not Get an Abortion

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