Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 765 ｜ Can Women Be Pastors？ SBC vs. Saddleback ｜ Q&A

00:00:00.520 Answering all of your questions today, one of which is my response to the Southern Baptist

00:00:06.220 Convention kicking out a church in California for hiring a female pastor.

00:00:13.080 We also talk about home birth, about justification, if that is an important part of the gospel.

00:00:20.760 I, of course, believe that it is how to share the gospel with your non-Christian friends

00:00:25.020 and then also a lot of fun questions as well.

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00:00:43.120 Hey, guys, welcome to Relatable.

00:00:44.780 Happy Monday.

00:00:46.360 Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.

00:00:50.620 What do you think about the interviews at the end of last week?

00:00:54.600 Governor DeSantis, also Leigh Ann Jameson.

00:00:57.360 What a lovely person, right?

00:00:59.020 Go back and listen to those interviews if you haven't already on Wednesday and Thursday.

00:01:04.480 All right.

00:01:04.720 Today, we're doing a Q&A.

00:01:06.000 As you are listening to this, I am traveling home from California.

00:01:12.060 And so we're doing something a little bit different.

00:01:14.080 I'm pre-recording this the week prior, and I'm answering some questions that you guys sent

00:01:19.020 me on Instagram, some serious questions, some more lighthearted questions.

00:01:22.780 But I always enjoy this.

00:01:24.180 So thanks for sending your questions in.

00:01:25.980 We will go through some of them.

00:01:27.140 Sorry I can't get to all of them.

00:01:29.800 But a lot of them were really good.

00:01:33.360 So let's see.

00:01:35.400 These are so, you know, they're so diverse because it's not all about politics and culture.

00:01:39.640 But I enjoy talking about a lot of these things that I don't typically get to discuss because

00:01:45.020 they don't, they're not in the news or, you know, circulating on social media.

00:01:49.720 So this, someone asked me, my thoughts on home births.

00:01:52.800 I'm very pro home birth.

00:01:54.280 I've never had a home birth before.

00:01:55.720 I wish I had had a home birth.

00:01:57.640 Like in my head, I am pro home birth.

00:02:00.040 I do have, I think I would have fears for myself surrounding home birth.

00:02:05.500 And I know I'm going to get messages saying, oh, you shouldn't have any fear.

00:02:08.480 Don't act out of fear.

00:02:09.580 I totally understand.

00:02:11.000 I'm just being honest with you.

00:02:12.420 And I follow a lot of home birth accounts.

00:02:14.580 Like I think natural birth is awesome.

00:02:17.680 And I've learned a lot about birth.

00:02:19.420 I love talking about birth.

00:02:20.860 I love hearing birth stories.

00:02:22.720 Truly love it.

00:02:23.400 I like talking about my births, even though they didn't go the way that I wanted them to.

00:02:28.160 But I truly believe a woman is created to give birth, can give birth.

00:02:33.460 I think there are benefits to different kinds of births.

00:02:35.600 I know people, women give birth in birth centers.

00:02:38.860 Some women love giving birth in a hospital. 1.00

00:02:41.460 I haven't had great experiences with my hospital births.

00:02:45.800 The second one much better than the first.

00:02:47.800 The second one wasn't really, it wasn't the fault of my providers.

00:02:51.340 It just, the hospital environment can be, can be a tough place to have a child because

00:02:57.440 they're constantly bothering you with questions and coming in and checking on you.

00:03:02.120 It's just not a very relaxing environment.

00:03:04.380 I think that there are probably exceptions to that rule.

00:03:07.700 But also a lot of times you can feel pressured to do things that you don't want to do or don't

00:03:11.660 need to do.

00:03:12.320 There's a lot of freedom when it comes to home birth.

00:03:14.540 I think there is a shift in mentality when it comes to home birth too.

00:03:17.680 I think just a few years ago, a lot of people thought that the only people that gave birth

00:03:22.000 at home were hippies and were weirdos and like anti-medical intervention.

00:03:29.440 And they've only heard these horror stories about it.

00:03:32.960 But really, like, I think that this is becoming more and more common and more and more acceptable.

00:03:38.600 Obviously, there are things to consider with every birth and every woman, every pregnancy,

00:03:44.700 different people have different cautions and concerns and different things to consider.

00:03:50.700 But in general, sure, I'm very pro home birth.

00:03:53.620 I think it's awesome.

00:03:55.620 Let's see.

00:03:57.720 Next question.

00:04:00.960 How to share the gospel with our liberal friends?

00:04:04.860 I know the comment that I'm going to get, someone's going to say, you know, you can be

00:04:07.640 liberal and a Christian.

00:04:08.740 And what I would say to that, of course, is not that our political positions are requirements

00:04:17.280 for or are not, they're not qualifications for our Christianity or for our salvation.

00:04:22.740 Certainly being a Republican doesn't save you.

00:04:24.660 Being a Democrat doesn't save you.

00:04:25.880 It also doesn't exclude you from heaven.

00:04:28.420 We just don't read that in scripture.

00:04:30.100 However, when you're looking at the different positions of left and right, when it comes to

00:04:33.960 morality, when it comes to abortion, when it comes to gender, when it comes to sexuality,

00:04:37.760 when it comes to marriage, even when it comes to things like protecting a country's sovereignty,

00:04:43.780 even when it comes to economic socialism versus capitalism, there's a lot, I think there's

00:04:49.380 a lot of nuance with those last two.

00:04:51.860 And there's a lot of disagreements, I think, in good faith at the left and the right Christians

00:04:56.040 and Christians on the left and the right can have.

00:04:59.140 But when it comes to those major moral issues that Genesis one is really, really clear on

00:05:04.340 when it comes to abortion, the legality of abortion, when it comes to being made male

00:05:09.440 and female, when it comes to the definition of marriage and what a family is and really

00:05:13.500 who the authority is.

00:05:14.860 Are we created by God who has endowed us with certain inalienable rights or are we the highest

00:05:19.260 supreme power?

00:05:20.340 That's the difference today between the modern left and right in America.

00:05:24.300 If you hold to left wing values today, when it comes to abortion and when it comes to marriage

00:05:32.620 and gender and those issues that, again, are outlined in Genesis one, I can't say that

00:05:37.080 you are not saved.

00:05:38.220 I can't say that you're not a Christian, but I do believe that God will sanctify you to

00:05:42.720 conform to his will, which is clear in scripture.

00:05:45.040 And those aren't primarily conservative positions.

00:05:48.040 Those are primarily biblical positions that today are considered conservative.

00:05:51.780 So I just wanted to go ahead and answer that question or that respond to that comment that

00:05:56.740 I know that I'm going to get when this person asks, how do I share the gospel with my liberal

00:06:01.560 friends?

00:06:02.160 Because chances are you should be.

00:06:06.020 And I would say that it typically starts with conversations and it typically starts with

00:06:12.640 asking questions, especially if you already have a preexisting relationship there.

00:06:17.140 I do think absolutely.

00:06:18.520 You can just share the gospel with them.

00:06:20.200 You can say, look, do you understand that you are a sinner that is separated from God?

00:06:24.900 If this person doesn't know the gospel and truly is an unbeliever, like, do you, do you 1.00

00:06:30.820 know, like the state of your heart, the state of eternity, do you know where you're going

00:06:35.220 to go when you die?

00:06:36.240 Like, let me tell you about freedom from sin, not just in eternity, but here today, let me

00:06:40.760 tell you about a God who loved the world so much that he sent Jesus Christ, his only son

00:06:45.360 to redeem us from our sin, to reconcile us to God so that we're no longer strangers and

00:06:51.880 aliens and enemies of God, but we can be friends with God.

00:06:54.580 We can be counted as sons and daughters of God.

00:06:56.440 We can have a relationship with him, be free from our sin, forgiven forever and spend our

00:07:01.520 entire eternity in liberated joy with him.

00:07:07.940 So you can absolutely just do that.

00:07:10.100 But I also think asking questions is really good.

00:07:13.080 Not every conversation has to be a, let me share the gospel conversation, although you

00:07:17.980 can't go wrong with that.

00:07:19.600 But I do think letting them think through things, asking them questions about, do they believe

00:07:26.440 right and wrong exists?

00:07:27.660 Is there an objective right and wrong?

00:07:29.080 Is there universal morality?

00:07:31.300 Most liberals, most non-Christians would say no, that it depends on the individual, depends

00:07:36.720 on the situation, it depends on the culture, it depends on the religious beliefs that not

00:07:42.240 everyone has to follow the same moral guide.

00:07:45.400 And I would read mere Christianity on this. 0.99

00:07:47.580 You can poke that a little bit.

00:07:49.200 Really?

00:07:49.520 You don't believe that the Holocaust was universally wrong? 0.99

00:07:52.080 Why did we mess with it then?

00:07:53.320 If that was just Hitler's morality, if that was just Germany's morality, like, are you saying

00:07:59.120 that, I don't know, you can name something that a liberal cares about a lot.

00:08:03.920 Are you saying that Russia invading Ukraine wasn't universally wrong? 0.79

00:08:08.120 And so you can kind of test them on that and see, do you really believe in objective morality?

00:08:12.520 Do you believe that racism is wrong for everyone, no matter what?

00:08:16.040 Like, did you believe that the KKK was wrong? 0.91

00:08:17.960 What about slavery?

00:08:19.420 Was that objectively wrong?

00:08:21.020 Usually they will admit, yeah, you believe that those things are objectively wrong.

00:08:24.480 There's not like a cultural relativism or moral relativism argument that most liberals

00:08:29.360 would make in favor of those things, in favor of the morality of those things.

00:08:33.540 And then you just kind of work from there.

00:08:35.380 Okay, if there really is a right and wrong, like you think it would be wrong for me to

00:08:39.720 steal a thousand dollars from you, which every individual does, tell me why.

00:08:44.920 Where does that sense of right and wrong come from?

00:08:47.260 And if it's not from the individual, where, who?

00:08:52.720 And so kind of start with just their characteristics as being a person made in the image of God.

00:08:58.640 One of those characteristics is that we have this innate sense of justice that can always

00:09:03.160 be perverted, of course, by worldly ideologies and very often is, but we all feel a sense

00:09:08.480 of being wronged.

00:09:09.660 We can say that we believe that there is no right and wrong, but we believe that we can

00:09:13.280 be objectively wrong if we are hurt, if we're assaulted, if we're stolen from, where does

00:09:17.880 that sense of justice, where does that sense of right and wrong really come from?

00:09:21.640 Everyone is an objectivist when it comes to right and wrong, when it comes to having your

00:09:28.100 own rights trampled on.

00:09:29.780 Where does that come from?

00:09:30.780 Why do you believe that there are human rights?

00:09:32.920 Why do you believe that human beings are valuable?

00:09:34.940 Why do you believe that murder is wrong?

00:09:36.520 Why do you believe that rape is wrong?

00:09:38.920 I believe it's because we are created by a God who tells us those things are wrong and eternity

00:09:42.980 has been written on the human heart.

00:09:44.700 So all kinds of creative ways to have those kinds of conversations.

00:09:48.020 I know that there are some issues that a lot of us have with things that Tim Keller has

00:09:52.760 said politically about social justice and things like that, but I love his book Reason for

00:09:57.780 God.

00:09:58.260 I think it really helps us with apologetics.

00:10:00.640 Again, I love mere Christianity. 1.00

00:10:02.100 I think it also helps us with apologetics and having these kinds of conversations.

00:10:12.980 What are my thoughts on God's love being called reckless, like this song?

00:10:21.220 So I've thought about this a lot.

00:10:22.840 This is not a song that I necessarily promote, but I kind of see both sides of the argument.

00:10:27.820 On the one hand, from the human perspective, we could see that God's love seems reckless

00:10:32.740 to us.

00:10:33.820 It seems like he is just outpouring love unconditionally, which of course is love for his people, for

00:10:41.100 his children, is unconditional because of Christ, because of what Christ has done for us.

00:10:49.180 And so because Christ is standing in our stead, even when we sin as Christians, God is pouring

00:10:54.680 out his love for us through Christ.

00:10:58.700 And so to us, that I guess could seem reckless, like with reckless abandon, God is pouring out

00:11:06.300 his love on us, that God so loved the world that he gave his only son to die for us.

00:11:11.660 As John 3, 16 says, even as so much of the world rejects him.

00:11:15.680 And so in that sense, I think that it is probably meant that, wow, God's love is so much.

00:11:22.300 It is so giving.

00:11:23.580 It is so generous.

00:11:24.500 It seems to us like it is not even heeding the rejection and the refusal that a lot of

00:11:31.340 people give back or reciprocate or yeah, just give back to God in return for his love.

00:11:39.700 But looking at the character of God and who God is, God does nothing recklessly.

00:11:44.880 When we think of reckless, it's like you don't consider it.

00:11:47.680 You just do it in a rash way.

00:11:49.420 You do it impulsively and you don't consider the other side of the calculation.

00:11:53.680 And I actually, so this is really probably the side that I really land, even though I try

00:11:58.360 to see the other side of it, is that God can never be reckless because God knows everything.

00:12:04.340 He never does something spontaneously or impulsively or without the knowledge of what is on the other

00:12:11.780 side of it.

00:12:12.900 God, we see throughout scripture, especially, I just see this so much throughout the Old

00:12:17.140 Testament, that God is a God of order.

00:12:19.040 He is a God of processes that I don't even think it's necessarily accurate to say he thinks

00:12:24.620 through things, but from our human perspective, that's kind of, that's what it looks like.

00:12:30.880 Like there is a process.

00:12:32.340 There was a process to his parting of the Red Sea.

00:12:35.560 There was a process to the exodus.

00:12:37.580 It didn't just happen.

00:12:38.860 He could have done that.

00:12:39.840 He could have struck down Pharaoh and all of Egypt and he could have just led them to the 1.00

00:12:44.760 promised land right away.

00:12:45.980 But instead he invited these plagues.

00:12:48.180 There was a hardening of Pharaoh's heart.

00:12:49.900 There was a changing of mind of Pharaoh.

00:12:51.800 And then there was through faith, Moses leading God's people out of Egypt through a parting

00:12:58.900 of the Red Sea.

00:12:59.580 By the way, he didn't even have to do that.

00:13:01.140 And yet he did.

00:13:02.080 And yet God didn't even bring them immediately into the promised land.

00:13:06.100 There were all of these processes through the wilderness in exiting Egypt to give himself

00:13:12.700 glory, probably for the good of the people as well.

00:13:17.620 Everything he does is for his people's good and for his own glory.

00:13:20.580 And he didn't do any of that recklessly.

00:13:23.320 He didn't do any of that without consideration or knowledge of what is on the other side.

00:13:27.760 So while I understand our human thinking that it's reckless, God does nothing recklessly.

00:13:34.240 God does everything purposely.

00:13:36.080 He does everything with intention.

00:13:37.840 And I think that makes his love actually appear even stronger.

00:13:43.040 Or we understand that it is even stronger than something that's reckless because knowing

00:13:49.000 full well, knowing and understanding full well what that we would continue to sin even

00:13:55.840 after we understand his love, knowing full well that there would be people who reject

00:14:00.280 him.

00:14:00.520 He still loved the world so much that he did the hardest thing that a father could do.

00:14:04.800 He sent his only son to suffer a death that he did not deserve to die on our behalf.

00:14:11.980 That wasn't reckless.

00:14:13.360 It was big and it was amazing and it was miraculous, but it was intentional and it was purposeful and

00:14:18.820 it was planned since before the beginning of time.

00:14:22.600 Wow.

00:14:23.060 He loves us so much.

00:14:24.520 That's really good news.

00:14:25.360 That's a really good story.

00:14:26.140 So now as I'm thinking through this, I'm like, wow, that is really a bad song.

00:14:29.860 At first I was like, I could kind of see both ways.

00:14:32.080 But now that I'm thinking about it, I'm like, oh, actually, I think you miss the character

00:14:35.480 of God and the goodness of the gospel, that it's very specific and intentional and purposeful

00:14:40.480 and pre-planned.

00:14:43.260 Okay.

00:14:44.200 Thoughts on SBC's decision to expel Saddleback Church and Stacey Wood's response.

00:14:50.640 All right.

00:14:51.160 So I haven't talked about this yet, actually.

00:14:55.220 Saddleback Church, Rick Warren's church out of California.

00:14:58.080 They've been progressive on some issues over the years.

00:15:02.660 And so I'm not really surprised that something like this, that something like this happened.

00:15:09.800 But here's, so here's what went down.

00:15:14.860 Saddleback Church decided to name a woman, Stacey Wood, a pastor.

00:15:22.700 And the SBC's stance is what I believe to be the biblical stance.

00:15:30.240 And that is that a woman cannot be a pastor and should not be exercising authority in their 1.00

00:15:38.520 local church over men.

00:15:40.540 This is 1 Timothy 2.12.

00:15:42.300 This is Paul writing to Timothy.

00:15:44.080 I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man. 1.00

00:15:47.420 Rather, she is to remain quiet when it comes to the preaching and the teaching of the word

00:15:53.480 in the setting of the local church.

00:15:56.460 And of course, when you are preaching the word in church, that is automatically you're

00:16:01.700 exercising authority because the word is authoritative. 0.99

00:16:05.780 And this doesn't mean that women are dumb or women are less than. 1.00

00:16:09.020 Like, I think I could give a great sermon. 1.00

00:16:11.720 I do.

00:16:12.320 I think if I was able to prepare, I think I could give a great sermon.

00:16:16.240 But that is not what the Lord has called me to do.

00:16:18.960 That doesn't mean, look, here I am, that I am unable to exercise my gifts.

00:16:23.880 This does not mean that I have to be, that I can't be involved in my church.

00:16:29.340 I can teach women and children if I wanted to. 0.92

00:16:32.040 That's not something I do within my church.

00:16:34.220 I can have this podcast.

00:16:35.760 There are lots of things that I can do.

00:16:37.260 I don't see this as something where God is degrading me or thinks that I'm less than

00:16:41.680 or thinks that I'm weak.

00:16:42.760 Look, I know that that's not true.

00:16:44.340 I'm very aware of the weaknesses that God has given me, but I also am aware of the

00:16:48.640 strengths that God has given me, that he has given me the ability to communicate and

00:16:53.060 the ability in a lot of ways, obviously not infallibly, to understand his word and to

00:16:57.560 communicate his word.

00:16:59.060 And I love doing that with you guys.

00:17:00.560 But I don't feel like I'm missing out or gypped in some way because God says, yeah, you can't

00:17:06.080 exercise authority in my church over men because, and he actually gives the answer right here.

00:17:12.380 It's not cultural.

00:17:13.460 It wasn't restricted to this time.

00:17:15.380 Actually, in verse 13, Paul says this to Timothy, for Adam was formed first, then Eve, and Adam

00:17:20.220 was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. 0.99

00:17:22.960 Ouch.

00:17:23.680 Yet she will be saved through childbearing.

00:17:25.060 There's a lot of debate about what that means.

00:17:26.640 We don't have time for that right now.

00:17:27.580 Um, but so the, the, the reason that he gets is actually a creation reason.

00:17:33.840 So that means that there are, um, there are implications, not just for this particular

00:17:40.260 time and culture, but since he goes all the way back to Genesis one through three, we can

00:17:45.440 just assume that that still applies today.

00:17:47.500 And so that's the SBC stance.

00:17:50.160 That's not every denomination stance.

00:17:52.060 There's disagreements, um, on that, whether a woman can, you know, preach on Sunday, but

00:17:57.900 not be a pastor, but they decided to make Stacey Wood a pastor. 0.98

00:18:03.060 And so Stacey Wood's response to, um, to all of this.

00:18:09.040 And this was written up by, um, the guardian.

00:18:12.580 The Southern Baptist convention has expelled Saddleback church.

00:18:15.260 One of its largest congregations due to its appointment of a female pastor.

00:18:18.360 On Tuesday, the SBC executive committee approved a recommendation from its credentials committee

00:18:24.080 that the California based mega church be labeled as not in friendly cooperation with

00:18:28.260 the conventions.

00:18:28.920 Saddleback church has a faith and practice that does not closely identify with the conventions

00:18:31.880 adopt the statement of faith as demonstrated by the church, having a female teaching pastor

00:18:35.640 functioning in the office of pastor.

00:18:38.700 The pastor in question is Stacey Wood, the wife of Andy Wood, who leads the church as pastor.

00:18:43.000 Saddleback was founded in the 1980s by Rick Warren.

00:18:45.960 Um, and then, uh, according to SBC statement, uh, they say, while both men and women are gifted

00:18:53.660 for a service in the church, the office of pastor is limited to men as qualified by scripture.

00:19:00.960 And, uh, Saddleback in response to its ousting says, we love and have always valued our relationship

00:19:06.700 with the SBC and its faithful churches.

00:19:08.340 We will engage and respond through the proper channels at their appropriate time in hopes to

00:19:12.200 serve other like-minded Bible believing SBC churches.

00:19:15.800 Meanwhile, we remain focused on following God's leadership to love and serve our church family

00:19:19.480 and communities around our campuses.

00:19:23.700 Um, and so they didn't seem to respond to any of the legitimate and in good faith critiques

00:19:29.020 that Baptists had within the convention saying, you know what, what do you take?

00:19:34.680 What do you take from this scripture?

00:19:36.020 What do you take from first Timothy and the different examples in the new Testament that

00:19:39.100 says, of course, women are dignified. 1.00

00:19:42.100 Of course they are talented.

00:19:43.420 Of course they have many spiritual gifts, but because of the creation order, because of

00:19:47.900 the creation order, which has not changed since Genesis one, women are not to exercise authority 1.00

00:19:55.200 in the church over men in the preaching and the teaching of the word.

00:19:59.780 It's pretty specific.

00:20:01.240 It's pretty clear.

00:20:02.020 And yet they're going against this.

00:20:03.880 And I think the SBC is right for taking it stand.

00:20:06.480 You don't have to agree with that.

00:20:07.720 You don't have to be a part of the SBC, but I think the SBC drawing a line in the sand saying,

00:20:12.760 you know what, we're not, we're not going to cross this.

00:20:14.620 I think is good.

00:20:16.060 So that's basically my response to, to all of that.

00:20:20.560 Uh, someone asked, so does blaze do your hair and makeup makeup? 1.00

00:20:34.840 Yes.

00:20:35.660 Hair.

00:20:36.060 No, as you can probably tell most days I just put it back.

00:20:39.600 Um, I try to, I try to make it nice and straight some days, but I just, I just don't have time.

00:20:47.000 Um, how do you honor your parents biblically when they actively hurt you?

00:20:52.940 So I don't know what kind of hurt you're talking about.

00:20:54.740 Obviously, if you're talking about physical hurt, I want you to be safe and it is not

00:20:59.980 disrespecting your parents and for you to find refuge.

00:21:03.780 If you're even talking about emotional abuse, like I want you to go to your local church

00:21:07.440 and I want you to seek help.

00:21:09.600 If you need help finding a church, founders.org slash church dash search.

00:21:14.580 Um, and I encourage you to get help.

00:21:16.680 Now, if you're just talking about, um, you know, you felt a feeling of betrayal or rejection

00:21:21.740 from them, um, maybe in the past, they emotionally hurt you or you just don't feel like they love

00:21:28.800 you well and you don't feel like you are in imminent danger.

00:21:32.220 You can still respect them by being just kind to them and, and praying for them and loving

00:21:38.420 them in that way.

00:21:39.740 But look, I'm not someone who says, you know what?

00:21:42.040 You just need to immediately cut all of the inconvenient people out of your life, all of

00:21:45.540 the quote unquote toxic people out of your life.

00:21:47.940 But it depends on what you mean by toxic.

00:21:49.720 Like if these are people who are constantly maligning you or making fun of you because

00:21:53.760 of your faith or constantly tempting you to sin or just degrading to you, um, then I

00:22:00.640 do think it can be healthy to draw a boundary there and say, I'm not going to spend time

00:22:05.060 with them.

00:22:05.660 I don't know how old you are, but especially if you're an adult, I think that's important.

00:22:09.400 That doesn't mean that you say, I'm never forgiving them.

00:22:11.760 I'm never reconciling.

00:22:13.360 I am never going to spend time with them or talk to them again.

00:22:16.420 I think that there is a way to draw boundaries without bitterness.

00:22:19.560 And I think it's important to do that with parents whose presence is, um, a constant, um,

00:22:26.400 a constant tearing down force in your life rather than an edifying force.

00:22:31.060 And again, I don't think that means we cut out everyone that doesn't serve us in our

00:22:36.100 life or every kind of inconvenient person or person that we just don't like, or person

00:22:40.960 whose personality doesn't exactly jive with ours, especially when it comes to our parents.

00:22:45.520 But I also don't think that that means that we have to be constantly spending time with

00:22:49.820 them and constantly talk to them and do everything that they want us to do.

00:22:53.800 If you are an adult, there is a level of independence there that I think is good, that I think is

00:22:58.740 healthy and boundaries that I think you can exercise.

00:23:02.440 Um, there is a book called boundaries.

00:23:04.380 Gosh, I haven't read it in a long time.

00:23:06.420 I forget who it's by.

00:23:07.660 Those of you who have read it are probably saying it out loud as you're listening to this.

00:23:11.180 I don't remember what it's called, but, um, if I remember correctly, it's pretty good.

00:23:15.760 And a lot of people have recommended it.

00:23:17.820 Sorry, if you're listening to this and you're like, no, it's not good.

00:23:20.620 I haven't read it probably since college, but maybe that's something to read and then to,

00:23:26.800 um, compare against scripture, just like with all things.

00:23:31.300 So I think there's a way to draw boundaries without bitterness and to love people through

00:23:36.040 that and make sure that you have a community also outside of them to, again, join a local

00:23:41.120 church, make sure there are people spurring you on that will also help you and give you

00:23:45.500 wisdom and dealing with difficult parents or just different, difficult people, um, in general

00:23:52.020 is justification important to the gospel.

00:23:54.640 Can you have the gospel without justification?

00:23:59.000 So justification is, it means, I guess it's a fancy term to say that you have been made

00:24:05.840 right before God.

00:24:06.960 You have been justified.

00:24:08.920 If you think about trying to justify yourself, you're saying, oh, this is why I made these

00:24:12.640 choices because you are trying to get approval for the choices that you have made.

00:24:16.320 Well, Jesus justifies us, not in the sense that he makes excuses for our sin, but he makes

00:24:21.040 us right before God.

00:24:23.160 I mean, that is the, that's the core of the gospel that by grace through faith, as Ephesians

00:24:31.120 2, 8 through 10 tells us, we have been made right.

00:24:34.560 We have been justified by Jesus, our advocates.

00:24:39.460 We have been justified, made right before God, even with all of our sin, no matter what we've

00:24:44.420 done, because Jesus's death has made us new.

00:24:48.640 He has given us a blank slate.

00:24:50.980 He has made us a new creation so that we are made righteous.

00:24:54.100 He actually gives us his righteousness so that we could be, um, approved and accepted by God

00:25:01.500 who can only accept righteousness.

00:25:03.180 And because God loves us so much, even while we hated him, even while we rejected him, even

00:25:08.700 while we were sinners, he gave us a way through Christ to be made righteous and be made new

00:25:12.960 so that we could be friends and heirs of God.

00:25:16.200 And so justification is all part of that.

00:25:18.560 Justification is being made right before God.

00:25:21.060 And that's what by grace through faith, Jesus's death does for us.

00:25:34.740 Are you on the Stanley water bottle trend?

00:25:37.820 I am.

00:25:38.220 Um, I am, I got it a few months ago and I got a few because I got them for my friends.

00:25:45.260 I only have one myself, but I got them.

00:25:47.900 I got it for a few people that I was like, they will enjoy this.

00:25:51.460 And I really like it.

00:25:52.380 I like the handle, all the good stuff.

00:25:53.920 I don't know if I can say like, they're absolutely the cat's meow and a Yeti is just not something

00:25:59.420 you should, I don't think I can say that, but I do appreciate my Stanley.

00:26:03.140 I think I drink more water because of my Stanley, because it's so convenient.

00:26:07.580 Do I prep meals for the week?

00:26:10.180 No, I wish I did, but I have gotten a lot more creative in my cooking and following recipes

00:26:14.900 and things like that, which was one of my resolutions, not really a resolution for 2023.

00:26:19.760 I just decided in January that I was going to do it.

00:26:22.240 And that's been fun, except that it takes me like an hour and a half to do the recipes

00:26:26.100 that tell me they take 35 minutes because I have untreated attention deficit disorder.

00:26:33.580 Let's see.

00:26:35.860 What is my favorite part of being a wife and mom?

00:26:40.320 Okay, I'll end on this question.

00:26:42.120 My favorite part of being a wife and a mom. 0.81

00:26:43.860 Gosh, my favorite part of being a wife is and always has been.

00:26:47.720 I know this is going to sound so cheesy, but it's just true. 0.90

00:26:50.440 It's just having someone to always be with, to always have fun with, just coming home and

00:26:59.460 knowing that if we want to, if we want to, we don't do this every night.

00:27:03.200 We used to when our metabolisms were faster.

00:27:07.000 You can come home every night and you can order some food and you can watch TV and it

00:27:11.960 can just be a Tuesday.

00:27:13.100 It doesn't have to be a Friday and no one is calling you asking, where are you?

00:27:18.320 You don't have any kind of Christian accountability saying, Hey, are you on two separate couches

00:27:23.260 or like whatever it is?

00:27:24.740 You don't have to go home.

00:27:26.100 You can just chill with your person and just have fun with them and do.

00:27:31.900 I mean, that's part of adulthood too, that I love is that I can eat whatever I want without

00:27:37.540 anyone saying that I can watch as much TV as I want.

00:27:39.800 Again, I don't do all of those things, but it's fun to have that freedom and also not to

00:27:43.220 have homework, even though I do work on this stuff at night.

00:27:45.360 So just like being with my best friend and with my person, the person who knows me the

00:27:50.760 best that I'm most comfortable with, and just being able to look forward to that every

00:27:53.720 night and just experiencing so much joy and sadness and pain and success and all of that

00:28:00.100 stuff with having that person to cheer you on and to be your sounding board and to support

00:28:06.120 you and to be the same for them.

00:28:08.340 It's just good.

00:28:09.500 I love marriage.

00:28:10.600 Um, being a mom, it's just the, just absolutely overwhelming love that you have for your kids.

00:28:18.820 It's, it's painful, actually, how much you love them, sometimes physically painful, how

00:28:23.200 much you love them.

00:28:23.960 And just the constant overwhelming feeling of, of looking at that human being and be like,

00:28:28.680 I would do anything for you at any time.

00:28:31.300 I would run through a thousand walls for you and I've only known you for like two years.

00:28:38.480 Um, it's overwhelming.

00:28:40.540 It really is.

00:28:41.320 And seeing their personalities develop and become individuals and seeing how God has creatively

00:28:47.460 constructed them and being a part of that and helping those little personalities glorify

00:28:52.900 God and understand who he is and understand life.

00:28:55.980 It's just good.

00:28:57.840 It's good.

00:28:58.600 Family is good.

00:28:59.860 Don't let anyone tell you that it's not, or that it's not worth the sacrifice and responsibility.

00:29:03.940 All of it is hard.

00:29:04.840 All of it is work, but anything worthwhile is.

00:29:07.900 All right.

00:29:08.280 That's what we'll end on today.

00:29:09.680 Thanks so much for listening.

00:29:11.180 I will be back here live tomorrow.

00:29:13.800 We'll be back here.

00:29:14.660 We'll be back.

00:29:41.240 Bye.

00:29:41.840 Bye.

00:29:42.520 Bye.

00:29:42.600 Bye.

00:29:43.180 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 06, 2023

Ep 765 ｜ Can Women Be Pastors？ SBC vs. Saddleback ｜ Q&A

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