Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 07, 2023


Ep 766 ｜ The Gospel Coalition’s Scandalous Sex Article


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52 minutes

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170.0563

Word Count

9,011

Sentence Count

538

Misogynist Sentences

18

Hate Speech Sentences

40


Summary

In this episode, Allie talks about her weekend in California, her experience at a pro-life rally, and her thoughts on the recent controversy surrounding sex as a symbol of the gospel. This episode is brought to you by Good Ranchers. Use promo code ALLIE at checkout for $5 off your first GoodRanchers membership!


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The Gospel Coalition published, then removed what some are calling a very scandalous article
00:00:07.120 arguing that sex is a symbol of the gospel.
00:00:11.880 I have a lot of thoughts on that.
00:00:14.840 Also, a pastor in Canada is facing jail time for protesting Drag Queen Story Hour.
00:00:21.540 Why aren't more prominent Christians talking about this and similar stories around the
00:00:26.780 world?
00:00:27.060 This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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00:00:43.880 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.
00:00:45.840 Happy Tuesday.
00:00:47.120 Hope everyone is having a wonderful week.
00:00:48.920 Hope you had a great weekend.
00:00:50.640 We had a pre-recorded episode yesterday, Q&A.
00:00:53.540 It's a quick episode, fun episode.
00:00:54.960 You guys asked me a lot of good questions.
00:00:57.700 As I said last week, or I guess yesterday on the pre-recorded episode, I was in California
00:01:02.680 on Sunday, Monday.
00:01:05.800 I was actually in Florida last week for a speaking engagement.
00:01:08.660 Got to bring part of my family then.
00:01:10.120 Got to bring part of my family to California.
00:01:11.840 So that was fun.
00:01:13.200 Florida was great.
00:01:13.940 I was talking to a pro-life organization, Christian organization, and I love being around people
00:01:19.840 like that and getting to encourage them because you're just reminded of the good work that
00:01:24.260 the Lord is doing that doesn't always make headlines and just how many genuine and generous
00:01:28.700 Christians there are out there who care so much about the least of these, who care so
00:01:32.760 much about the most vulnerable.
00:01:33.880 It is an honor and a privilege to be able to use whatever words the Lord gives me to
00:01:38.940 be able to inspire them and to tell them that what they're doing is worth it.
00:01:42.380 And then I got to speak for California Family Council on Sunday and then Monday at their
00:01:50.020 pro-life rally on Monday and then at an event that they had on Sunday night.
00:01:54.620 And again, just got to encourage.
00:01:56.500 I mean, California Christian conservatives, obviously they feel like they're up against a lot, but
00:02:01.400 something that I said that I really feel like the Holy Spirit gave to me in the moment is
00:02:05.580 that if the gospel was strong enough, was powerful enough to be able to strengthen Christians under
00:02:15.600 Nero, it is powerful and effective enough to strengthen Christians under Newsom.
00:02:23.500 I said it better in the speech, but it's the general sentiment is the same, that Christians
00:02:30.880 before us have had even bigger obstacles, even nastier tyrants, even more bloodthirsty
00:02:37.920 politicians, bigger challenges than the ones we are facing today and still do throughout
00:02:45.500 the world have bigger challenges than the one that we're facing.
00:02:49.220 And the same gospel brought them to the end.
00:02:52.620 The same Holy Spirit empowered them.
00:02:54.860 The same Jesus emboldened them.
00:02:56.640 And the same father protected them with their presence.
00:03:00.400 And so if they can do it, if Christians before us have been carrying this torch for the past
00:03:06.460 2000 years on behalf of the gospel, on behalf of the most vulnerable, then we can continue
00:03:12.240 to do that today.
00:03:13.900 So that's what the past few days of my life have been about.
00:03:16.960 Just speaking to Christians who kind of needed that encouragement.
00:03:19.240 So thankful, so thankful for everyone that I met out there who's listening to this podcast.
00:03:24.460 Maybe you're listening for the first time because you heard me speak or you, or you met me, or
00:03:29.400 maybe you've been a longtime listener and it's always great to meet you guys in person.
00:03:32.920 So thanks so much for coming and thank you all also for being here.
00:03:37.420 So, um, also, oh, one thing I wanted to say too, just to encourage you.
00:03:41.980 So I was giving my speech on the steps of the Capitol in Sacramento, California, just talking
00:03:47.140 about the importance of defying or pushing back as much as we can against the legislation
00:03:52.500 coming down the pipeline in California that literally legalizes infanticide.
00:03:56.820 And some are going to, um, try to basically close down pregnancy centers by opening them
00:04:04.100 up to all of these frivolous and ridiculous lawsuits.
00:04:06.820 And so as I was, as I was talking, it was a very quick speech yesterday.
00:04:11.120 I had, you know, counter protesters in the back and they had their emergency sirens that
00:04:16.680 were very loud.
00:04:17.600 They're screaming and they're shouting, of course, trying to drown out any of the, any
00:04:22.740 of the speakers words.
00:04:24.040 And so, um, thankfully the speakers were the speakers themselves, not the speaker, me speaking,
00:04:29.680 but the, you know, the speakers amplifying the sound were very loud.
00:04:33.220 And so I also got to go up and just thank them and say, you know what?
00:04:36.540 I think that you guys are playing sirens back there because you realize what an emergency
00:04:40.500 it is that California allows abortion through all nine months of pregnancy.
00:04:45.900 I don't think that they appreciated that, um, very much, but again, thank, thank all of
00:04:52.220 you who came out there courageously, who took the time to come out there and rally for
00:04:56.960 the sake of the unborn.
00:04:57.860 That kind of fight is always worth it.
00:05:00.300 All right.
00:05:00.620 We're going to get into this gospel coalition story.
00:05:03.220 I'm not going to be able to talk about it as much as I want to, because we've got a
00:05:06.160 lot of ground to cover with the other stories that we're talking about, but I'll tell you
00:05:09.420 my surprising, I think you'll find a surprising opinion on this.
00:05:23.800 All right.
00:05:24.420 So the gospel coalition, big Christian website, you guys are familiar.
00:05:28.520 They released an article by Josh Butler, and it was actually an excerpt from the intro of
00:05:33.320 his forthcoming book called beautiful union.
00:05:36.180 So in this excerpt that was posted as an article, Butler argues that sex is not salvation.
00:05:42.780 So in it, he argues that sex is not salvation, but points to salvation.
00:05:47.840 He said that he used to look for sex, um, to sex, to basically save him, to make him whole.
00:05:54.120 And he realized that this was never going to happen.
00:05:56.740 But he also argues that he realizes that sex points to the one who does fully satisfy you,
00:06:02.640 which is Christ.
00:06:03.360 It points to the gospel.
00:06:04.380 So he says the sexual act between a man and a woman within marriage is an icon of salvation.
00:06:10.480 It is representative of salvation.
00:06:13.060 It's a metaphor for it.
00:06:14.280 It shows the relationship between Christ and the church.
00:06:17.880 So he says some things in this article that are pretty graphic, more graphic than I think
00:06:23.120 a lot of Christians are willing to go on this.
00:06:25.880 And I'll quote some things from it.
00:06:27.320 So just know kind of where this is going.
00:06:29.760 So generosity and hospitality, he says, are both embodied in the sexual act.
00:06:35.860 Generosity involves giving extravagantly to someone.
00:06:38.060 And what deeper form of self-giving is there than sexual union, where the husband pours out
00:06:43.120 his very presence, not only upon, but within his wife.
00:06:46.980 Hospitality, on the other hand, involves receiving the life of the other.
00:06:51.260 Here again, what deeper form of hospitality is there than sexual union, where the wife welcomes
00:06:56.020 her husband into the sanctuary of her very self?
00:07:00.020 He talks about during a honeymoon, the groom goes into his bride.
00:07:03.540 He is not only with his beloved, but within his beloved.
00:07:06.120 He enters the sanctuary of his spouse, where he pours out his deepest presence and bestows
00:07:10.560 an offering, a gift, a sign of his pilgrimage that has the potential to grow within her into
00:07:18.000 new life.
00:07:20.020 He says, this is a picture of the gospel.
00:07:22.440 The bride gladly receives the warmth of his presence and accepts the sacrificial offering
00:07:26.880 he bestows upon the altar within her most holy place.
00:07:30.720 So he doesn't say it's actually much less explicit than he could be.
00:07:34.580 Obviously, he is using the metaphor and he is hoping that we understand the mechanics of
00:07:41.680 sex to pick up on what he is putting down.
00:07:46.380 So they published this because he is a fellow in a new fellowship program, which is the, let's
00:07:55.080 see, what's it called?
00:07:56.120 The Keller Center for Cultural Apologetics.
00:08:01.040 He is a fellow in that new program that was established by the Gospel Coalition.
00:08:06.880 So that's why they published this excerpt.
00:08:09.460 And there was immediate backlash from the conservative side that said, OK, this is weird.
00:08:13.680 This is weird.
00:08:14.300 This is too erotic.
00:08:15.340 It's too graphic.
00:08:16.340 It's just too much.
00:08:17.780 And then you saw from the progressive side, too patriarchal.
00:08:21.320 This is exploitative of women.
00:08:24.260 This is insensitive toward women.
00:08:26.260 This is not considering the victimhood throughout history of women.
00:08:31.800 And this is simply bad theology.
00:08:34.680 So Beth Allison Barr, she's a professor and she's an author.
00:08:37.780 She says that I really think the TGC should do some self-reflection about why they thought
00:08:41.840 that article was OK to publish.
00:08:43.820 It reveals so much that is deeply wrong with complementarian ideas about women.
00:08:48.000 Complementarian means that men and women are equal in worth, but they have different roles
00:08:52.940 within marriage, within the church.
00:08:54.240 Obviously, I am complementarian.
00:08:56.160 I believe that that's biblical versus egalitarian, which means that men and women can actually
00:09:00.780 have the same roles within marriage and within the church, which I think is profoundly unbiblical
00:09:05.500 in a lot of ways, that they perceive women as passive objects and men as sexual overlords.
00:09:11.440 When this article is put in context of what male leaders who ascribe to complementarian theology
00:09:15.900 are taught, Jonathan Pakluda, wow, we've had him on this podcast, and I think that he's
00:09:20.660 great.
00:09:21.260 His objectification of a woman makes so much sense.
00:09:23.960 I hope he considers that, too.
00:09:26.180 I don't know what she's referencing there.
00:09:28.700 Jacob Denhollander says, he says, basically, he argues that this article teaches the objectification
00:09:37.120 of women, the sacralizing of male orgasm, likening the Holy Spirit to redacted, and the spiritualization
00:09:45.600 of andro-centric sex.
00:09:51.440 And then we've got Sheila Grigori.
00:09:53.740 She wrote a book called The Great Sex Rescue.
00:09:58.180 She takes issue, again, with the objectification and the patriarchal themes that she sees inherent
00:10:03.080 in this article.
00:10:04.280 She says the problem is that the Keller Center has five female fellows and 22 male fellows.
00:10:10.580 At TGC 2023, only 17 of the 90 speakers are female.
00:10:15.240 All eight keynote speakers are male.
00:10:17.100 So she sees that as part of the problem, again, kind of patriarchy.
00:10:20.580 So after this pushback, TGC actually took down the article.
00:10:24.140 They issued a statement, and they said, you know, we've listened to our critics and the
00:10:29.040 objections, and we've taken it down.
00:10:31.500 And we accepted Josh's resignation as a Keller Center fellow.
00:10:37.180 They ask for forgiveness.
00:10:38.920 They thank them for accountability.
00:10:40.800 They say thank you so much for being patient with us.
00:10:44.120 And then he also had some people who had previously endorsed his book say, you know what?
00:10:49.120 I don't.
00:10:49.880 I don't endorse your book anymore.
00:10:51.480 So Rich Viotas, he's a New York pastor.
00:10:53.600 He is very progressive, very social justice centric.
00:10:57.040 He issued this long statement saying, you know, I don't.
00:11:00.260 I know I issued an endorsement for this book, but I don't actually endorse the book.
00:11:05.340 I didn't read the whole book.
00:11:06.740 So that's the problem.
00:11:08.440 And after hearing people's criticisms and reflecting on it, I realized that it's not just wrong,
00:11:13.340 but it's actually dangerous.
00:11:15.220 His statements were actually dangerous.
00:11:18.840 Now, the interesting thing about Rich Viotas is that he wrote a book.
00:11:26.520 He wrote a book that argued a very similar thing.
00:11:33.300 He says this in his book, The Deeply Formed Life.
00:11:37.360 And this is according to, by the way, Stive and Peter at The American Reformer, who talks
00:11:42.380 about the reaction to this TGC article.
00:11:45.680 He says, what makes Viotas' retraction instructive for demonstrating the dynamics of the negative
00:11:50.140 world is that Viotas and Butler share virtually identical positions on sex.
00:11:54.440 Viotas has also written a book on cultural apologetics, The Deeply Formed Life, in which
00:11:58.900 he has a chapter on sex.
00:12:00.260 He calls sex a sacrament.
00:12:01.700 Lovemaking in and outside the bedroom is a revelation.
00:12:04.060 What does it reveal?
00:12:04.900 Well, without overstating it, it reveals God.
00:12:06.820 It is sacramental.
00:12:07.580 Our lovemaking is to manifest our union with each other, and in so doing, manifest God's
00:12:11.260 union to the world.
00:12:13.240 So Peter says this, though Viotas is not as graphic as Butler, the same concepts are present
00:12:17.640 and working.
00:12:18.260 Butler uses icon, Viotas uses a sacrament.
00:12:21.460 But both want to capture that sex reveals something about the divine.
00:12:25.360 Jesus initiates by giving his body to the church in self-giving love.
00:12:29.260 Per Ephesians 5, the man is the head of the marriage who gives himself to his wife,
00:12:32.680 and this love is self-giving and generative.
00:12:34.260 To be clear, Butler and Viotas believe the same things about how the sexual act reveals
00:12:39.180 God and mirrors the pattern of initiation and reception between Christ and the church.
00:12:44.440 In fact, Viotas says this, moreover, lovemaking is an act of mission.
00:12:47.660 When a couple is in love, giving and receiving each other in bodily, emotional, and spiritual
00:12:51.020 communion, they can't help but overflow in love to the world around them.
00:12:55.840 So he basically argues the same thing as Josh Butler does, but he retracted his endorsement
00:13:01.700 because he got pressure from progressive feminist activists who said that this is patriarchal
00:13:07.700 and somehow anti-woman.
00:13:09.840 Roger, he also wrote an article about this in the American Conservative.
00:13:15.500 And basically, he says that the reaction to this by evangelicals is totally overblown.
00:13:20.680 And let me just say, because I haven't revealed my opinion yet, but you can probably pick up
00:13:24.000 on it by my tone.
00:13:24.840 I happen to agree.
00:13:25.800 I think the reaction to this on both the left and the right is absolutely overblown and ridiculous.
00:13:33.020 Someone sent me this article and was like, oh my gosh, have you seen this?
00:13:35.560 This is so cringe from the TGC.
00:13:37.860 Let me just tell you, I read it and I was like, what?
00:13:42.360 I mean, yeah, it's more graphic than I would like.
00:13:44.540 Of course, I wouldn't have thought of that or written that article.
00:13:47.440 I probably wouldn't have gone that in depth.
00:13:49.620 But this is a book about sex.
00:13:52.300 And this person, you might not like his argument.
00:13:54.000 You might not agree with his argument, but I do not agree with the people saying this
00:13:57.900 is too erotic, maybe clumsy in some ways.
00:14:00.620 Again, maybe a little bit.
00:14:02.900 I mean, enough to make me a little uncomfortable.
00:14:05.500 But are we really so prudish that we cannot talk about sex like this?
00:14:09.580 I mean, he makes a really good point.
00:14:11.080 Josh Butler, in his article that the Bible is actually very explicit.
00:14:14.980 Like the Hebrew word for sex is he went into her.
00:14:18.640 Much more explicit than we are when we use our euphemisms like lovemaking and sleeping together
00:14:23.300 and having sex, which is all fine, by the way.
00:14:25.840 I think those are fine euphemisms.
00:14:27.200 But he's making the point that the Bible is actually very explicit about what sex is
00:14:32.060 and that that is a representation of Christian marriage and not just Christian marriage,
00:14:36.640 but the joining in of a man and a woman as one flesh, which is indicative of sex.
00:14:43.520 And he is saying, just as Ephesians 5 argues, that marriage in its own mysterious way is a representation
00:14:52.280 of Christ and the church.
00:14:54.880 The husband representative of Christ, the wife representative of the church,
00:15:00.480 just as Christ laid down his life for the church.
00:15:03.960 So a husband is to lay down his life for his wife in many different ways.
00:15:09.240 And the wife is to submit to her husband as to the Lord.
00:15:13.500 Husbands, love your wives as Christ loved the church.
00:15:18.000 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.
00:15:20.220 That's what the end of Ephesians 5 tells us.
00:15:23.040 And he is saying that that's not just true in just the relationship dynamics there.
00:15:26.540 That is also true of the sexual act.
00:15:29.420 That is also innate in the sexual act.
00:15:31.820 Now, there's a lot of interesting debates about this.
00:15:33.980 People who are much more theologically savvy than me and who know more about the interpretation
00:15:39.620 and exegesis of the Bible disagree with his theology when it comes to this.
00:15:43.920 So I'm open to those debates.
00:15:45.800 But I agree in general that absolutely not just the marriage relationship,
00:15:49.780 but the dynamic of sex between a man and a woman in that marriage relationship
00:15:55.380 is actually reflective of in particular ways of Christ in the church.
00:16:01.040 Absolutely.
00:16:01.480 And Rod Rear wrote this article basically saying to evangelicals not understand this
00:16:05.460 because he says that Catholic and Orthodox theology recognize sex as some kind of icon
00:16:10.620 and representation of Christ in the church.
00:16:15.500 So why are evangelicals confused about this?
00:16:18.220 And then Denny Burke, he wrote an article defending complementarianism
00:16:23.900 since people have been attacking complementarianism and complementarian theology because of this.
00:16:28.960 And I think that his article on this is really good, by the way.
00:16:37.540 And he talks about the importance of the complementarian dynamic.
00:16:43.280 He looks at 1 Corinthians 11, 9, Ephesians 5, 20, 25,
00:16:47.520 and how this is displayed in Christ's sacrificial death and resurrection.
00:16:54.580 And he says that TGC's apology should have clarified these issues,
00:16:59.040 confronted problems in Butler's article, affirmed scripture's husband-wife typology,
00:17:02.920 and rejected the accusations against complementarian theology.
00:17:05.900 He's absolutely right.
00:17:06.860 Because TGC's theology, you don't really know what they're apologizing for.
00:17:10.340 You don't really know what they're apologizing for.
00:17:12.300 You're kind of confused about it.
00:17:14.040 You're kind of like, wait, are you saying that this was patriarchal,
00:17:17.500 that this was anti-woman in some way, which I really don't read at all?
00:17:23.060 So I honestly, like, I did not have the same issues with this article that people on the left
00:17:29.460 and the right did.
00:17:30.360 Again, I'm not sure that it was all completely theologically solid,
00:17:34.880 but people, honestly, you need to get a grip a little bit.
00:17:38.180 But it's okay for people to write things that are, I mean,
00:17:42.080 it's okay for people to write things that we don't like, right?
00:17:46.200 But the TGC absolutely should have done a better job at responding to this.
00:17:50.120 And I do think that this is like cancel culture, by the way.
00:17:53.580 I do.
00:17:54.220 And I don't think it's wrong for people to be canceled for right reasons.
00:17:56.780 I just think this person is canceled for wrong reasons.
00:17:59.060 I'm sure that there are things that we disagree on theologically, by the way.
00:18:02.220 The fact that he had Rich Viotas as someone who was endorsing his book
00:18:05.720 means that he's probably actually progressive in a lot of ways.
00:18:10.060 However, I just really, I just really think that he was mistreated in this instance.
00:18:16.560 And I think that the reaction to this article is absolutely, absolutely overblown.
00:18:31.240 All right.
00:18:32.000 Now let's talk about that Canadian pastor that was recently arrested
00:18:36.380 for protesting a drag queen story hour.
00:18:41.980 The fact that those four words can even go together.
00:18:46.260 And we all understand what we're talking about,
00:18:48.860 that there is such thing as a drag queen story hour,
00:18:52.280 where men are dressed up as caricatures of women,
00:18:57.400 scantily clad women, reading books to children,
00:19:01.720 in some cases, dancing before children for money.
00:19:05.320 The fact that that is even a thing that we discuss on a fairly regular basis,
00:19:10.860 because it is so pervasive in the United States and in Canada
00:19:14.880 and in other Western countries,
00:19:17.900 that alone is disturbing enough for us to say,
00:19:21.180 please, Jesus, have mercy on us.
00:19:24.180 Come back.
00:19:24.780 We have fallen so far.
00:19:27.800 Ask not, as I've heard people say,
00:19:30.160 I think this is maybe even a direct quote from Calvin Robinson,
00:19:33.320 although many of us have said this in different ways,
00:19:36.300 but I like how he says it.
00:19:37.860 Ask not why children want to see drag queens perform.
00:19:44.580 Ask yourself rather why drag queens want an audience of children.
00:19:49.860 There is no innocuous, there is no non-perverted reason for a grown man to want to dress in fishnets
00:20:00.300 and sometimes a thong and in fake boobs and present themselves to children.
00:20:06.000 There is no non-pedophilic reason for that.
00:20:10.300 And, you know, I've been thinking about this before we even get into the story,
00:20:13.120 but I've been thinking about, you know,
00:20:14.380 the parental rights movement that we have in the United States,
00:20:17.680 that thankfully has been led by a lot of conservative moms and dads
00:20:20.660 who have taken over school boards,
00:20:22.020 who have said, you know, the state is not our co-parent
00:20:24.660 and public schools don't get a say in how we raise our children.
00:20:30.740 They're not going to indoctrinate our children with a worldview
00:20:34.420 that is counter to the one that we have,
00:20:36.140 which, by the way, that is just inherent in public school.
00:20:39.100 But parents saying, no,
00:20:40.740 we have a right to be the authority
00:20:42.940 and to be the primary influence in our child's life.
00:20:45.800 I think that's great.
00:20:47.380 But something that we say is that parents know what is best for their children.
00:20:51.520 And in general, I do believe that parents do what is best for their children.
00:20:57.320 But maybe it's more accurate to say that parents do what they believe is best
00:21:01.780 for their children,
00:21:03.180 because obviously looking at these videos that I see every single week posted,
00:21:08.180 not just from Libs of TikTok,
00:21:09.540 but other conservative commentators and journalists
00:21:11.800 showing parents willingly, voluntarily, cheerfully bringing their children
00:21:17.200 to these kinds of performances,
00:21:18.720 not just story hours,
00:21:19.720 but again, bringing them to restaurants
00:21:21.780 where these scantily clad men are twerking for money.
00:21:25.320 I think, you know, I'm not sure that that's really true.
00:21:30.240 I'm not sure that it's true that parents in general
00:21:33.980 or that all parents do what is best for their children.
00:21:37.920 Like, obviously, we know that there are abusive parents,
00:21:40.800 there are manipulative parents,
00:21:42.140 there are really bad parents out there,
00:21:43.800 but we see them as this tiny, tiny exception.
00:21:47.980 But then when you see these parents totally shamelessly
00:21:52.100 presenting their children sexual exploitation
00:21:56.960 and in a particular way, sexual predation,
00:22:01.960 damaging their innocence purposely,
00:22:04.700 I'm just not so sure that we can say confidently
00:22:09.720 that parents are doing what is best for their children.
00:22:16.000 I think good parents do what is best for their children.
00:22:18.720 I don't think that we can say parents in general
00:22:20.780 are doing what's best for their children.
00:22:22.200 I mean, think about all of the parents
00:22:23.580 who I'm sure love their children
00:22:25.340 and are trying to do what's best for their children,
00:22:27.840 but think about all of the parents
00:22:29.000 that masked their 18-month-old to their two-year-old
00:22:31.880 who still do so in the name of trying to protect their health,
00:22:36.220 even after all the data has come out,
00:22:38.060 not really because they care so much about their child
00:22:40.720 not getting COVID or not spreading COVID,
00:22:42.720 but because they've been told
00:22:43.860 that this is what it looks like to be virtuous.
00:22:47.120 I mean, I'm just not so sure
00:22:49.040 we can trust the discernment and the judgment of parents,
00:22:51.820 especially those that are taking their kids
00:22:53.740 to drag queen story hour.
00:22:56.920 So what, I mean, what exactly do we do about that?
00:22:59.580 Because at the end of the day, that's the issue, right?
00:23:03.280 I don't think that there would be a supply
00:23:05.340 of drag queen story hour.
00:23:06.660 I don't think that there would be a supply
00:23:08.000 of these all-ages drag shows
00:23:10.920 if there wasn't a demand, right?
00:23:13.240 If there weren't parents that were bringing their kids
00:23:16.280 to these shows and saying,
00:23:18.160 yes, this is well and good,
00:23:19.240 this is what I want for my kids.
00:23:21.880 That's a problem.
00:23:22.720 That's a much bigger problem.
00:23:24.400 That's a much bigger problem.
00:23:25.500 There's always going to be some perverts out there
00:23:28.100 who want to twerk for kids, unfortunately.
00:23:30.500 I think it should be illegal.
00:23:32.780 Absolutely.
00:23:34.280 But why are there parents who even allow that?
00:23:38.100 Why aren't all parents absolutely appalled by that?
00:23:40.500 If all parents were appalled by that,
00:23:42.280 it just wouldn't be happening.
00:23:43.740 It simply would not be happening.
00:23:45.420 But because there is apparently
00:23:46.820 a pretty large cohort of parents
00:23:48.600 who think that that is worth celebration,
00:23:51.480 we've got it.
00:23:53.240 We have to look at it.
00:23:54.460 We have to talk about it.
00:23:55.740 So what exactly do we do about that?
00:23:59.420 I don't know.
00:24:00.280 I guess just like every other problem,
00:24:02.240 it goes back to exchanging the God of Scripture
00:24:04.120 for the God of self.
00:24:05.420 It goes back to calling the truth a lie,
00:24:09.100 calling good evil an evil good,
00:24:11.320 and there really needs to be a reawakening.
00:24:13.260 But there certainly needs to be.
00:24:15.580 There certainly needs to be legal restrictions
00:24:18.300 on this kind of thing.
00:24:19.260 And thankfully, conservative states like Tennessee,
00:24:22.320 Florida, they're waking up to that reality.
00:24:24.080 I mean, the parents obviously aren't stepping in
00:24:26.880 and protecting these children.
00:24:28.220 So someone has to and says,
00:24:30.180 you know what?
00:24:30.640 It's illegal.
00:24:31.380 It's illegal to do this.
00:24:32.380 And this pastor in Canada recognizes
00:24:34.380 the absolute perversion and the depravity
00:24:37.420 in doing something like this.
00:24:38.680 He recognizes the dereliction of duty
00:24:40.700 that is represented by these parents
00:24:42.340 who are sending these kids to these story hours.
00:24:44.320 And he's saying, okay, I'm going to do something.
00:24:46.540 I'm going to do something.
00:24:47.420 And I'm going to speak truth
00:24:48.720 to this absolute disgusting display of sin and iniquity.
00:24:55.880 And he believes that this is what God has called him to do.
00:24:58.580 So this happened at the Calgary Public Library
00:25:00.980 in Alberta, Canada.
00:25:03.820 And they host a regular Reading with Royalty event
00:25:06.820 that feature family-friendly storytime programs
00:25:09.060 led by local drag queen, king, and monarch performers.
00:25:12.880 What does that even mean?
00:25:13.860 And so Pastor Derek Scott Reamer of Mission 7 Ministries
00:25:17.700 in Calgary protested the February 25th event
00:25:20.080 at the Sutton Library branch
00:25:22.920 as part of a planned demonstration.
00:25:24.800 So here was the reaction to him
00:25:27.320 peacefully protesting this event at the library.
00:25:30.920 Okay, we don't have a reply to the camera, Zach.
00:25:33.520 We are now calling the police.
00:25:35.900 Stop, stop, stop.
00:25:37.820 We have the police coming,
00:25:41.020 so it is your choice to leave or deal with the police.
00:25:44.900 It's very abusive in there.
00:25:46.120 We are going to...
00:25:47.080 For love is love.
00:25:48.180 That was like very hateful, very abusive.
00:25:50.920 We're exposing the darkness on this wickedness.
00:25:53.420 We're talking about it right here.
00:25:55.400 And we're coming down to more and more of the shows
00:25:57.680 to say that this is not okay,
00:25:59.860 that this is wrong, that this is evil.
00:26:02.280 To have a pervert dressed up like that
00:26:04.660 is wrong and evil.
00:26:05.800 So children, don't believe this.
00:26:09.500 Parents, don't let your children be involved
00:26:11.420 with this wickedness.
00:26:13.760 All right.
00:26:14.640 So I don't know if you could hear what he said,
00:26:17.040 but there's nothing that he said that was wrong.
00:26:18.480 He said this is wrong.
00:26:19.340 This is wicked.
00:26:19.880 That is evil to have a pervert dressed like this
00:26:22.680 and reading for kids, parents.
00:26:25.700 You need to do better than this.
00:26:28.460 You need to make a better choice than this.
00:26:30.720 There's nothing that he said that was wrong.
00:26:32.100 He wasn't being violent there.
00:26:33.860 He was kicked out.
00:26:34.840 Okay, so you might think, you know what?
00:26:36.400 It was their right to kick him out.
00:26:37.820 I'm not really sure if that's true,
00:26:39.300 but it's not like he was beaten or killed
00:26:41.820 or something like that.
00:26:42.880 All right.
00:26:43.540 That's true.
00:26:44.260 But that's not the end of the story.
00:26:45.420 He was actually arrested.
00:26:46.900 He was arrested by state authorities.
00:26:50.260 On Thursday, March 2nd,
00:26:51.680 has been charged with one count of causing a disturbance
00:26:54.040 and one count of mischief.
00:26:56.860 He's also facing six counts of harassment
00:26:58.680 under the city's public behavior bylaw.
00:27:00.840 This bylaw carries a $500 fine for communicating with a person
00:27:04.320 in a manner that could reasonably cause offense or humiliation.
00:27:06.820 Gosh, we are so weak.
00:27:08.520 We're so frigging weak
00:27:10.140 that you could be charged $500
00:27:13.100 for talking to a person in a way that causes offense.
00:27:16.940 Woo-hoo!
00:27:18.260 Including referring to a person's gender identity
00:27:20.620 or sexual orientation.
00:27:22.560 Oh my gosh.
00:27:23.960 Our ancestors.
00:27:25.020 They did, oh, if they saw us today,
00:27:29.860 they would be so embarrassed.
00:27:31.800 Police say he entered the classroom
00:27:33.440 where the event was taking place
00:27:34.640 and shouted homophobic and transphobic slurs
00:27:37.540 at children and parents in attendance.
00:27:39.600 Whatever.
00:27:40.600 He was offered a $3,000 bail last week
00:27:42.800 on the condition that he stayed away from drag queen events.
00:27:45.020 He refused so he will remain in jail
00:27:47.520 and his next bail hearing will be on March 14th.
00:27:50.880 As of last night, police claim he was released,
00:27:53.020 but this is not confirmed.
00:27:54.560 And he has not been in contact with friends and family.
00:27:57.800 He has received several tickets
00:27:58.720 for feeding the homeless without a permit.
00:28:00.860 You need a permit to feed the homeless
00:28:02.560 and violation of COVID-19 restrictions.
00:28:06.060 Oh my goodness.
00:28:06.780 It's more important that we stay six feet away,
00:28:10.400 I guess, for the sake of pretense
00:28:13.000 when it comes to COVID restrictions
00:28:14.980 than it is to feed the homeless.
00:28:16.340 Of course, we saw this all throughout COVID.
00:28:18.800 We saw pastors being put in jail.
00:28:20.860 We talked to a pastor.
00:28:23.020 That was placed in jail
00:28:24.880 simply because he opened his church
00:28:27.280 and preached the gospel.
00:28:28.420 He was not the only pastor who was put in jail.
00:28:31.600 There were several pastors who were imprisoned,
00:28:33.940 who were arrested simply for opening their church
00:28:36.700 and preaching the gospel in Canada.
00:28:38.660 You can't say that Canada is a democratic country.
00:28:41.400 You can't.
00:28:41.860 You can't say that it's a tolerant country.
00:28:43.880 You can't say that it's any beacon
00:28:45.600 of any kind of liberty or equality.
00:28:48.020 It is an anti-Christian totalitarian state
00:28:51.660 that fools people into thinking that they're democratic
00:28:54.040 because they're nice
00:28:55.200 and because Justin Trudeau looks put together.
00:28:57.920 But he said in 2013,
00:28:59.400 we've played the sop before,
00:29:01.460 where he said he actually admires Canada
00:29:04.060 or sorry, admires China
00:29:05.900 for their basic dictatorship.
00:29:07.800 And that, of course,
00:29:08.800 is what he has tried to manifest
00:29:10.600 in a previously pretty peaceful
00:29:15.080 and pretty actually democratic and free country.
00:29:19.360 Of course, he takes after his father
00:29:21.160 in carrying the torch
00:29:22.240 of trying to grow the power of the state
00:29:23.980 and wielding it against Christians and conservatives.
00:29:26.960 I mean, we saw that also in the trucking protest
00:29:29.240 that he literally froze the bank accounts
00:29:33.200 of people who opposed him
00:29:34.400 because of the vaccine mandates.
00:29:35.980 It's just an ugly, ugly soul.
00:29:37.880 But people will fall for anything
00:29:40.560 as long as it looks okay.
00:29:42.840 Shouldn't you value this kind of speech?
00:29:47.060 Like, shouldn't you at least be able
00:29:49.500 to look at this and say,
00:29:50.380 you know, I believe that you should be able
00:29:51.880 to peacefully protest something.
00:29:53.180 I believe that you should be able
00:29:54.380 to oppose something with your words.
00:29:57.520 Like, I just talked about
00:29:59.300 how I delivered a speech in California
00:30:02.240 and how there were sirens playing in the background
00:30:04.720 during my speech.
00:30:06.700 Like, did I call for those people to be arrested,
00:30:09.420 to be tackled by my security
00:30:11.200 or the Capitol Police there?
00:30:13.760 No, I spoke over them
00:30:15.260 because I know my ideas are better than theirs.
00:30:18.820 Like, I'm not scared of their shouting.
00:30:21.540 Like, I know their message is one of murder.
00:30:24.600 It's one of ugliness.
00:30:26.160 I'm not worried about their harassment
00:30:28.960 or their nonsensical signs or their sirens.
00:30:33.200 And like, are they going to get arrested
00:30:34.540 by the state of California
00:30:36.000 for putting, you know,
00:30:38.700 for playing sirens during my speech?
00:30:40.920 And not just during my speech,
00:30:41.960 but also the national anthem during prayers.
00:30:45.560 No.
00:30:46.360 And I actually think, I mean,
00:30:47.620 as awful as it is,
00:30:49.240 I believe that it's their right to be there
00:30:51.240 and to counter protest,
00:30:53.020 even if they are protesting in favor
00:30:55.360 for the literal dismemberment of children,
00:30:57.560 I still see the importance
00:30:58.780 of a politically neutral First Amendment.
00:31:02.200 Yes, there are limits to the First Amendment.
00:31:03.960 This is not one of them.
00:31:05.120 And when we live in a society,
00:31:06.720 a supposedly democratic and free
00:31:08.500 and moral and virtuous society
00:31:10.820 that is favoring men
00:31:14.000 dressed up as scantily clad women
00:31:17.680 over the pastor
00:31:19.880 who is simply trying to protect
00:31:21.860 those children from that perversion,
00:31:23.620 we know that we've gone too far,
00:31:26.500 too far, perhaps past the point
00:31:28.300 of no return.
00:31:32.100 At his previous arrest,
00:31:33.600 he said from the back of the police vehicle,
00:31:35.760 I guess this is when he was feeding the homeless
00:31:37.960 in violation of COVID-19 restrictions,
00:31:40.160 he said,
00:31:40.440 they put me in a little cage.
00:31:41.820 That's how they treat people here in Canada
00:31:43.160 when they preach the gospel
00:31:44.080 against this wickedness,
00:31:45.940 against this abomination,
00:31:47.540 this drag queen show,
00:31:48.580 all ages,
00:31:49.360 that's affecting the children,
00:31:50.860 corrupting the children,
00:31:51.860 Canadians stand up.
00:31:55.500 And Tucker Carlson of Fox News,
00:31:57.640 he covered this last week
00:31:59.580 and he asked a question
00:32:00.600 that I think is totally legitimate.
00:32:02.800 And I say this as someone
00:32:03.720 who probably does not agree
00:32:05.400 with Tucker Carlson
00:32:06.180 in a lot of ways theologically.
00:32:07.980 I honestly am not totally sure
00:32:09.560 what his theology is.
00:32:10.600 I believe that he is Episcopalian,
00:32:13.620 which is on the,
00:32:15.900 theologically,
00:32:17.240 is on the far left end.
00:32:19.460 I'm not saying that he identifies
00:32:20.680 with all of the tenets
00:32:21.880 of Episcopalian theology,
00:32:24.780 but I am sure that we disagree
00:32:26.720 on a lot of things.
00:32:28.200 But when he calls out
00:32:29.600 these evangelicals
00:32:31.060 for being silent on this issue,
00:32:33.060 I think he makes a very,
00:32:34.620 very valid point.
00:32:36.240 Here he is.
00:32:36.760 Where are all the professional Christians?
00:32:38.460 You have to wonder that again.
00:32:41.180 Where's David French
00:32:42.560 and Beth Moore
00:32:43.580 and Tim Keller
00:32:44.560 and all these people
00:32:45.640 who are defending Christianity
00:32:46.780 as actual Christians
00:32:47.980 are being arrested
00:32:48.640 for being Christians?
00:32:50.000 Hmm.
00:32:50.920 Not a word.
00:32:51.860 Again, I probably align theologically.
00:32:56.320 Like, if we're just looking
00:32:57.140 at basic theological tenets,
00:32:58.740 I probably align more with
00:33:00.680 David French
00:33:02.400 and Tim Keller
00:33:03.740 and Beth Moore.
00:33:05.340 If we're just looking at,
00:33:06.200 like, the basic tenets
00:33:07.240 of the gospel
00:33:08.020 and Christianity,
00:33:08.940 I mean, I'm sure
00:33:10.000 that we agree on more
00:33:11.500 than Tucker Carlson
00:33:13.560 and I do.
00:33:14.440 But Tucker is making
00:33:15.640 a very legitimate point
00:33:17.160 when it comes to this.
00:33:17.900 These are people
00:33:18.500 who are not silent on politics.
00:33:20.420 They're very loud
00:33:21.380 when it comes to politics.
00:33:22.740 They will talk about culture wars.
00:33:24.860 But at the end of the day,
00:33:25.960 I believe that these people,
00:33:27.940 some of the people
00:33:28.440 that he listed
00:33:28.920 are actually embarrassed
00:33:30.220 by Christians like this.
00:33:31.560 They're actually embarrassed
00:33:32.460 by Christians
00:33:33.460 who defied COVID mandates.
00:33:35.340 They're actually embarrassed
00:33:36.220 by the pastors in Canada
00:33:38.080 who said,
00:33:38.560 I'm not closing my doors.
00:33:39.780 They're embarrassed
00:33:40.360 by people like John MacArthur
00:33:41.740 who said,
00:33:42.640 you know what?
00:33:43.100 We're going to stay open
00:33:44.500 even though Newsom
00:33:45.380 is trying to shut us down
00:33:47.340 as they're keeping
00:33:48.340 liquor stores
00:33:49.560 and strip clubs open.
00:33:51.360 No, we are going to keep
00:33:52.880 our church doors open.
00:33:54.420 We are going to continue
00:33:55.700 to follow the authority
00:33:56.800 of Christ
00:33:57.460 whose authority supersedes
00:33:59.060 the American governments,
00:34:00.680 supersedes state governments,
00:34:01.940 supersedes the Canadian governments,
00:34:03.680 and we are going to continue
00:34:05.280 to preach the gospel
00:34:06.620 no matter what you do to us.
00:34:09.880 I think that the Christians
00:34:11.440 that he listed here
00:34:12.260 are actually embarrassed
00:34:13.300 by those people
00:34:14.060 and actually think
00:34:15.060 that those people
00:34:15.660 are unloving
00:34:16.860 who don't think
00:34:17.980 that it's really
00:34:18.580 the right thing to do
00:34:20.100 to stand up
00:34:21.140 to men who are
00:34:22.000 preying upon children
00:34:22.960 wearing fake boobs
00:34:24.080 and thongs and fishnets.
00:34:26.640 Now, I'm not saying
00:34:27.500 they agree with that.
00:34:28.860 I don't.
00:34:29.600 Like, I don't think
00:34:30.500 that Beth Moore
00:34:31.280 or Russell Moore
00:34:32.100 or any of those people
00:34:32.940 think that drag queens
00:34:34.200 are great
00:34:34.720 or drag queens story hour
00:34:36.200 is great.
00:34:36.660 At the end of the day,
00:34:37.580 if they really got down to it,
00:34:39.360 again, I think
00:34:40.080 that we probably agree
00:34:41.360 probably more
00:34:42.560 than Tucker does
00:34:44.460 on the biblical ethic
00:34:46.000 of homosexuality
00:34:47.920 on homosexuality
00:34:49.120 and sexuality
00:34:49.540 and marriage
00:34:50.160 and sex
00:34:50.660 and all of those things.
00:34:52.320 So we probably agree,
00:34:53.760 but they are unwilling
00:34:55.540 to wade into
00:34:56.360 those culture wars
00:34:57.340 because they see them
00:34:58.200 as right wing.
00:34:59.400 They see them
00:35:00.080 as conservatives
00:35:00.880 just making a big deal
00:35:02.280 out of things,
00:35:02.980 but that doesn't stop them
00:35:04.400 from talking about
00:35:05.180 other things
00:35:05.760 from a left wing perspective
00:35:07.080 like race
00:35:08.440 or COVID
00:35:09.000 or things like that.
00:35:10.440 And it's not just this.
00:35:11.500 It's not just this
00:35:12.260 kind of issue.
00:35:12.880 It's also if you
00:35:14.660 look at the other stories
00:35:16.800 that are similar
00:35:17.420 around the world,
00:35:18.360 you just don't see them,
00:35:20.420 especially,
00:35:20.980 I mean,
00:35:21.220 Russell Moore.
00:35:21.960 He was the head
00:35:23.360 of the ERLC
00:35:25.120 who cares,
00:35:26.600 obviously,
00:35:27.180 ostensibly
00:35:27.640 about religious liberty.
00:35:29.000 I believe that they
00:35:29.620 sincerely do.
00:35:30.580 He was the head
00:35:31.060 of the ERLC,
00:35:32.520 the Ethics and Religious
00:35:33.540 Liberty Committee.
00:35:36.600 And I just,
00:35:37.860 it's not that I don't think
00:35:38.920 that he cares
00:35:39.480 about religious liberty,
00:35:40.400 but I do wonder
00:35:41.400 when it comes
00:35:42.000 to these issues,
00:35:44.180 why they aren't
00:35:45.720 more vocal
00:35:46.300 when they are so vocal
00:35:47.560 about other political issues,
00:35:49.440 so vocal about Trump,
00:35:50.620 they're so vocal
00:35:51.240 about racism,
00:35:52.020 they're so vocal
00:35:52.720 about the importance
00:35:53.760 of getting your vaccine
00:35:54.720 and wearing your mask
00:35:55.660 to loving your neighbor
00:35:56.380 to love your neighbor.
00:35:57.920 And yet,
00:35:58.280 I don't hear a lot
00:35:59.640 of them talking about,
00:36:00.640 for example,
00:36:01.200 Isabel Von Spruce,
00:36:03.360 who was arrested
00:36:04.200 for praying
00:36:05.200 outside an abortion clinic.
00:36:06.980 Again,
00:36:07.800 she was arrested
00:36:08.720 for praying
00:36:09.460 outside an abortion clinic.
00:36:10.500 We talked about her story
00:36:12.080 a couple months ago.
00:36:13.380 She was arrested
00:36:14.720 for praying
00:36:16.060 in front of,
00:36:16.860 silently praying,
00:36:18.000 by the way,
00:36:18.580 silently praying,
00:36:20.540 in front of
00:36:21.960 an abortion center.
00:36:23.320 And now she was arrested
00:36:24.260 again on March 6th.
00:36:27.600 This is in
00:36:29.000 Birmingham,
00:36:30.980 England.
00:36:31.840 She was standing there
00:36:33.080 in front of the abortion clinic.
00:36:34.480 She was silently praying.
00:36:35.800 And this is what her exchange
00:36:36.860 looked like
00:36:37.280 with a police officer
00:36:38.560 who said,
00:36:39.280 I'm going to have
00:36:40.100 to arrest you for this.
00:36:41.640 Can I please ask you
00:36:42.700 to step away from here
00:36:43.640 and step outside
00:36:44.260 the exclusion zone?
00:36:45.820 I'm protesting
00:36:46.860 and engaging in
00:36:47.820 the activity.
00:36:48.460 But you've said
00:36:48.980 you're engaging in prayer,
00:36:50.120 which is the offense.
00:36:51.260 It's silent prayer.
00:36:52.260 No, but you are still
00:36:52.920 engaging in prayer.
00:36:54.520 It is an offense.
00:36:55.760 I disagree.
00:36:56.820 Okay, then.
00:36:58.040 So,
00:36:58.640 you would rather
00:36:59.420 that you be arrested
00:37:00.980 and taken away
00:37:02.020 than stand outside
00:37:03.620 the exclusion zone?
00:37:04.520 Is that what you're saying?
00:37:05.360 Are those
00:37:05.700 doing the two alternatives?
00:37:06.900 Yes.
00:37:07.240 All right.
00:37:09.540 So, hopefully,
00:37:10.020 you were able to decipher
00:37:11.000 what was said there.
00:37:11.820 If you're watching this,
00:37:12.700 there are captions
00:37:14.280 for you to read.
00:37:16.000 So, if you need
00:37:17.040 to understand,
00:37:17.760 you can turn this
00:37:19.120 on YouTube
00:37:19.460 if you're just listening
00:37:20.280 to this.
00:37:21.180 But she is arguing,
00:37:22.760 look, sure,
00:37:23.460 I'm outside
00:37:24.820 or I'm not in the,
00:37:27.180 I'm in a restricted zone,
00:37:31.120 but I'm only
00:37:31.940 in a restricted zone
00:37:33.300 legally
00:37:33.740 for that restricts
00:37:35.960 certain behaviors
00:37:36.920 like causing
00:37:37.740 a disturbance
00:37:38.420 or protesting
00:37:39.480 or something like that.
00:37:40.700 Apparently,
00:37:41.140 there are these zones
00:37:42.460 in which you can't
00:37:43.440 do those things.
00:37:44.400 And she is arguing,
00:37:45.340 okay,
00:37:46.220 but the zones
00:37:47.860 that you're talking about
00:37:48.880 only prohibit
00:37:49.700 certain kinds of behavior
00:37:50.520 that I am not engaging in.
00:37:51.700 She was literally
00:37:52.360 standing there
00:37:53.200 with her hands
00:37:53.780 in her pockets,
00:37:54.540 closing her eyes.
00:37:55.880 And I'm sure
00:37:56.580 someone from
00:37:57.080 the pregnancy center,
00:37:58.020 just the evil
00:37:58.960 demonic forces
00:37:59.720 that they are,
00:38:00.340 called the police
00:38:00.920 and said,
00:38:01.520 hey,
00:38:01.740 come over here.
00:38:02.380 Someone is silently
00:38:03.200 praying and I'm
00:38:04.080 mad about it.
00:38:05.660 Because,
00:38:06.240 yeah,
00:38:06.600 the prayer of a righteous
00:38:07.300 person has great power.
00:38:08.400 They should be mad about it.
00:38:09.300 They should be scared about it.
00:38:10.920 And she was previously
00:38:12.460 arrested on December 6th.
00:38:14.020 She was acquitted
00:38:15.040 on February 16th.
00:38:17.460 And now she is,
00:38:19.020 you know,
00:38:19.520 facing charges again
00:38:20.640 for the same,
00:38:21.640 for the same thing.
00:38:23.060 Today,
00:38:23.540 Tuesday,
00:38:23.840 March 7th,
00:38:24.260 the House of Commons
00:38:24.960 actually will debate
00:38:25.700 amendments to the public order
00:38:26.660 that would criminalize
00:38:27.580 any form of influencing
00:38:28.960 outside of abortion facilities.
00:38:31.460 Penalties could include
00:38:32.320 a prison term
00:38:32.900 of up to two years.
00:38:34.220 As of 9.30 a.m.
00:38:35.380 CST on March 7th,
00:38:37.880 no decision has been made
00:38:39.260 on any amendments.
00:38:41.020 A conservative member
00:38:41.700 of parliament
00:38:42.440 has proposed two changes
00:38:43.520 that would exempt
00:38:44.380 consensual communication,
00:38:46.140 silent prayer,
00:38:46.760 and peaceful presence
00:38:47.600 at clinics
00:38:48.100 from being criminalized.
00:38:49.140 It's so silly
00:38:49.680 that like the conservatives
00:38:50.980 are just asking
00:38:51.900 for like morsels of freedom.
00:38:54.100 That's so true in Canada.
00:38:56.000 It's almost true
00:38:56.680 in a lot of cases here too.
00:38:58.800 But I mean,
00:38:59.840 obviously the truth is
00:39:01.060 that there should never be
00:39:02.080 any kind of restriction
00:39:03.340 on prayer
00:39:04.800 and on peaceful protests.
00:39:06.880 They don't technically
00:39:08.100 have the First Amendment there,
00:39:09.760 but as a supposedly
00:39:11.740 Western democracy,
00:39:12.900 they are supposed
00:39:13.620 to care about free speech
00:39:14.920 and the freedom of religion,
00:39:15.900 and they clearly don't.
00:39:17.680 Sacraments like abortion
00:39:18.960 and LGBTQ behavior
00:39:22.160 is seen as much holier
00:39:24.620 and much more worthy
00:39:26.780 of protection
00:39:27.720 than prayer
00:39:29.440 and than worship
00:39:30.800 and than speech.
00:39:32.260 So we're seeing this
00:39:33.000 throughout the world
00:39:33.640 and not only there,
00:39:35.020 but there was also
00:39:35.960 that Finnish MP
00:39:37.220 who quoted the Bible,
00:39:39.020 Romans 1, 24 through 27,
00:39:41.240 posted it on Facebook.
00:39:45.440 And of course,
00:39:46.500 that talks about homosexuality
00:39:48.040 and the behavior
00:39:48.620 being sinful.
00:39:50.120 And she is actually
00:39:53.440 facing up to two years
00:39:54.660 in prison
00:39:55.180 for exercising
00:39:56.100 her right to free speech.
00:39:58.100 And then there was
00:39:59.100 the Swedish
00:39:59.780 or the Norwegian filmmaker.
00:40:02.240 She's a lesbian filmmaker.
00:40:03.640 She is facing up
00:40:04.400 to three years in prison
00:40:05.560 for saying that men
00:40:07.280 cannot be lesbians.
00:40:10.380 So that's where we are
00:40:12.160 throughout the world.
00:40:13.140 Saying things that are true
00:40:14.580 against supposedly
00:40:16.340 marginalized groups,
00:40:18.480 protected groups
00:40:19.860 can get you thrown in jail.
00:40:21.820 And so again,
00:40:22.580 I think Tucker
00:40:23.360 asks a really good question.
00:40:25.800 Why aren't more Christians,
00:40:27.060 Christians with the biggest platforms,
00:40:28.980 Christians with a whole lot
00:40:30.080 of influence,
00:40:30.760 Christians who I know,
00:40:32.340 know their Bibles
00:40:33.340 and I believe care
00:40:34.680 about what the Bible says.
00:40:36.400 Why do they choose
00:40:37.300 not to speak up
00:40:38.080 on these things,
00:40:38.900 which I think
00:40:39.620 are a much bigger issue
00:40:41.120 than the problems
00:40:42.320 that they very often
00:40:43.320 choose to spotlight?
00:40:44.880 Now, I am not saying
00:40:46.340 that every Christian influencer
00:40:47.720 has to talk about
00:40:48.720 every issue
00:40:49.620 to demonstrate
00:40:50.260 that they care about it.
00:40:51.400 I don't believe that.
00:40:52.480 In fact,
00:40:52.800 that really bothers me
00:40:54.020 when people hold,
00:40:55.480 you know,
00:40:56.340 Christians to that.
00:40:57.560 I mean,
00:40:57.780 I talk about a lot of stuff,
00:40:59.140 but that's my job.
00:40:59.980 I understand
00:41:00.380 that's not Russell Moore's
00:41:01.420 job necessarily.
00:41:02.480 That might be David French's job,
00:41:03.720 but it's not Beth Moore's job.
00:41:05.260 It's not,
00:41:06.040 you know,
00:41:07.100 all of these Christian influencers'
00:41:08.780 job to talk about
00:41:09.680 every cultural issue.
00:41:10.940 My problem is,
00:41:12.280 is how they choose
00:41:14.340 and how they choose
00:41:15.680 to talk about
00:41:16.600 the issues that they do.
00:41:18.140 And it's typically
00:41:18.800 the issues
00:41:19.520 that they believe
00:41:20.540 will help
00:41:21.600 get them points
00:41:24.140 on the left,
00:41:25.540 at least the ones
00:41:26.300 that the people
00:41:27.060 that Tucker listed.
00:41:29.360 And that is why
00:41:30.340 you have someone
00:41:31.080 like Beth Moore
00:41:32.020 traveling to Waco, Texas
00:41:33.940 and talking to a bunch
00:41:35.380 of students
00:41:36.000 at Baylor
00:41:37.000 about the apparently
00:41:38.100 pervasive problem
00:41:39.700 about white supremacy
00:41:41.060 in the church.
00:41:43.300 She delivered this speech
00:41:44.540 on February 17th,
00:41:45.660 Time to Wake Up Racism
00:41:47.080 in the White Church.
00:41:49.320 And she just talked about
00:41:50.840 how she is,
00:41:51.940 she's learning about this
00:41:53.800 and we all need
00:41:54.840 to be learning about this.
00:41:56.320 And she talked a lot
00:41:57.380 about the history
00:42:00.340 of racism within the church
00:42:01.860 and not just that,
00:42:02.740 but also the history
00:42:03.780 of racism within America.
00:42:06.220 I need you to think of me,
00:42:07.400 she says,
00:42:07.740 in this journey
00:42:08.520 toward anti-racism.
00:42:09.880 I can't believe
00:42:10.520 that we're still doing this.
00:42:11.840 I mean,
00:42:12.480 the facade has been
00:42:14.400 completely taken off.
00:42:16.000 Like the mask
00:42:16.600 has been taken off
00:42:17.360 of BLM
00:42:18.200 and Ibram X. Kendi
00:42:20.620 and Nicole Hannah-Jones
00:42:22.580 and Robin DiAngelo
00:42:23.900 and we are still
00:42:24.940 using their language
00:42:26.720 even though
00:42:27.580 we have had
00:42:28.420 so many wise Christians
00:42:30.440 point out
00:42:31.300 how their arguments
00:42:33.760 are so not just
00:42:35.180 illogical,
00:42:36.300 incoherent,
00:42:37.060 but also profoundly
00:42:38.320 unbiblical
00:42:38.940 and yet we still
00:42:39.880 have Christian
00:42:40.540 influencers
00:42:40.980 using their language
00:42:42.100 and promoting it
00:42:43.200 as biblical.
00:42:43.800 So her journey
00:42:44.640 toward anti-racism
00:42:45.640 as a middle schooler
00:42:46.520 at best,
00:42:47.080 pimple face with braces
00:42:47.880 and extremely awkward
00:42:48.660 and sometimes giggly.
00:42:49.760 I need you to go
00:42:50.520 to all those places
00:42:51.300 with me and know
00:42:51.920 that I've just begun
00:42:53.200 my own journey.
00:42:54.320 I mean,
00:42:54.560 this really is so much
00:42:55.820 like a Maoist
00:42:56.660 struggle session
00:42:58.100 taking on
00:42:59.440 this cultural
00:43:00.080 and secular
00:43:00.920 language
00:43:01.940 in order to
00:43:03.320 kind of
00:43:04.100 alleviate
00:43:04.900 any criticism
00:43:06.340 or try to
00:43:08.380 ameliorate
00:43:10.240 any critics
00:43:12.020 who might
00:43:12.940 judge someone
00:43:14.600 for being racist
00:43:16.100 or for being
00:43:17.260 part of
00:43:18.040 white supremacy
00:43:19.100 or upholding
00:43:20.260 the apparent racism
00:43:21.380 in something like
00:43:22.220 the Southern Baptist
00:43:22.960 Convention,
00:43:23.700 a denomination
00:43:24.240 that she was a part
00:43:25.020 of for a long time.
00:43:27.100 She just,
00:43:27.680 again,
00:43:28.280 more self-deprecating
00:43:29.220 language,
00:43:29.820 talking about
00:43:30.400 her learning curve
00:43:31.600 and that she grew up
00:43:33.180 in the white church
00:43:34.300 and had white thinking
00:43:35.720 and then she talks
00:43:37.340 about how this all
00:43:38.220 changed during the
00:43:39.540 murder of Trayvon Martin
00:43:41.040 in 2012
00:43:41.880 and again,
00:43:42.580 you'll just remember
00:43:43.800 that the Trayvon Martin
00:43:45.680 case,
00:43:46.080 the Michael Brown case,
00:43:47.420 all extremely contentious,
00:43:50.240 extremely wrought
00:43:51.440 with debate
00:43:52.040 and discussion
00:43:52.620 of what actually
00:43:53.500 went on
00:43:54.200 and what the
00:43:55.340 problems were
00:43:56.220 and then she talks
00:43:57.540 about,
00:43:57.780 which I'm glad
00:43:58.160 that she admits this,
00:43:59.320 the shift came
00:44:00.020 with the presidential
00:44:00.660 campaign of 2016,
00:44:02.140 which ushered
00:44:03.300 a political divisiveness
00:44:04.300 the likes of which
00:44:05.240 I've never seen
00:44:05.920 and this is something
00:44:06.580 she talks about a lot,
00:44:07.500 how she feels
00:44:07.960 like evangelicals
00:44:08.800 who support Trump
00:44:09.560 have idolized him
00:44:11.200 and here's what she said,
00:44:13.100 she said,
00:44:13.420 we have come to a point
00:44:14.260 in time
00:44:14.840 when even to put
00:44:15.880 love your neighbor
00:44:16.800 on social media
00:44:17.920 is to be called woke.
00:44:20.780 Really?
00:44:21.860 Is that true?
00:44:23.140 Is that an accurate
00:44:24.160 description of what
00:44:24.980 people are calling woke?
00:44:27.380 When people say to,
00:44:28.700 when you say
00:44:29.620 love your neighbor,
00:44:30.360 people say,
00:44:30.880 oh,
00:44:31.000 you're progressive
00:44:31.720 for saying that
00:44:32.560 or is it what
00:44:33.220 you are calling
00:44:33.840 loving your neighbor?
00:44:35.200 Is it maybe
00:44:35.760 we don't agree
00:44:36.520 with your definition
00:44:37.300 of what loving
00:44:37.860 your neighbor is
00:44:38.600 because I know
00:44:39.320 that you have linked
00:44:40.000 wearing a mask
00:44:40.880 to loving your neighbor.
00:44:43.000 We know that you
00:44:43.640 have talked about,
00:44:44.380 you know,
00:44:45.100 dismantling systemic racism
00:44:47.080 and things like that,
00:44:48.240 which I think
00:44:48.880 are all left-wing
00:44:50.360 and secular,
00:44:51.000 not biblical ideas
00:44:52.080 of justice.
00:44:52.860 You've linked
00:44:53.500 those things
00:44:54.080 to loving your neighbor.
00:44:54.980 So maybe we disagree
00:44:56.160 with what you mean
00:44:57.460 by loving your neighbor.
00:44:58.680 Maybe we think
00:44:59.540 that what you are
00:45:00.580 talking about
00:45:01.280 is loving your neighbor
00:45:02.160 is not actually loving
00:45:03.320 because it's not actually
00:45:04.340 just or correct
00:45:05.360 or good.
00:45:06.280 We can debate
00:45:06.900 those things.
00:45:07.920 I'm sure that she does
00:45:08.740 actually want to love
00:45:09.660 your neighbor,
00:45:10.140 but I don't think
00:45:10.780 that loving your neighbor
00:45:11.560 is woke.
00:45:12.160 I just disagree
00:45:12.840 with progressive people
00:45:14.060 on what love
00:45:14.980 actually looks like.
00:45:17.060 She says,
00:45:17.480 white Christian Americans
00:45:18.480 have been reluctant
00:45:19.380 to condemn justice
00:45:20.640 because they have
00:45:21.380 benefited from it.
00:45:22.900 More struggle session
00:45:24.320 language.
00:45:25.200 Again,
00:45:25.480 maybe it's just
00:45:26.120 because we disagree
00:45:26.920 on what you are
00:45:27.600 calling injustice.
00:45:28.480 There's a large debate
00:45:30.140 about the extent
00:45:31.240 of systemic racism
00:45:32.500 today if systemic racism
00:45:34.360 even exists.
00:45:35.300 I don't think anyone
00:45:35.840 denies that discrimination
00:45:36.840 or prejudice can exist
00:45:38.260 against white people,
00:45:39.380 against black people,
00:45:40.140 against brown people,
00:45:41.040 but it is a debate.
00:45:42.680 It is actually a theory,
00:45:44.100 a theoretical assertion
00:45:45.660 that systemic racism
00:45:47.880 is alive and well today.
00:45:49.600 This theory that there
00:45:50.980 has been an unbroken
00:45:52.460 thread of prejudice
00:45:56.240 and racism
00:45:57.120 against black people
00:45:58.120 going all the way back
00:45:59.000 from 1619 to today
00:46:00.580 that has taken on
00:46:01.560 different forms.
00:46:02.660 I mean,
00:46:02.840 Walter Williams,
00:46:03.760 Thomas Sowell
00:46:04.420 have broken this down
00:46:05.580 and refuted this
00:46:06.360 very many times
00:46:07.180 using data and history.
00:46:09.860 So there's a debate
00:46:11.020 about that.
00:46:12.020 So to say that people
00:46:12.980 who disagree with you
00:46:14.320 don't believe
00:46:15.880 in loving their neighbor
00:46:16.780 or don't believe
00:46:18.900 in fighting injustice,
00:46:20.900 I mean,
00:46:21.260 this is the kind
00:46:22.380 of arrogance.
00:46:23.920 It's like arrogance
00:46:24.780 matched with what I think
00:46:26.080 is like this false
00:46:27.220 self-deprecation
00:46:29.560 that this whole
00:46:30.160 anti-racist ideology
00:46:31.720 and social justice ideology
00:46:33.480 actually produces.
00:46:35.620 And she talks about
00:46:36.120 how easy it is
00:46:36.820 to be a white supremacist.
00:46:38.140 You don't realize
00:46:38.880 that you're a white supremacist.
00:46:40.020 You don't have to be
00:46:40.460 a skinhead
00:46:41.000 to be a white supremacist.
00:46:42.640 She says the work
00:46:43.420 of anti-racism
00:46:44.660 is gospel work.
00:46:45.640 And if you don't know,
00:46:46.920 people on the left say
00:46:47.780 it's not possible
00:46:48.440 to just not be a racist.
00:46:49.800 You have to be
00:46:50.260 actively anti-racist.
00:46:52.060 And how does
00:46:52.820 Ibram X. Kendi
00:46:53.640 define that?
00:46:54.560 Well, I will actually
00:46:55.320 define it.
00:46:56.080 In more eloquent words
00:46:58.020 than he does.
00:46:59.380 But if you read his book,
00:47:00.640 How to Be an Anti-Racist,
00:47:02.560 he basically thinks
00:47:03.560 that current discrimination
00:47:04.500 against white people
00:47:05.560 is the remedy
00:47:06.060 for past discrimination
00:47:07.240 until we reach
00:47:08.780 some sort of equal outcome.
00:47:10.460 So is that
00:47:11.080 really what
00:47:12.220 Beth Moore
00:47:13.000 is advocating for here?
00:47:14.860 Is she really
00:47:15.600 arguing
00:47:16.540 for
00:47:17.320 partiality?
00:47:19.360 Because
00:47:20.000 that's directly
00:47:21.180 on
00:47:21.500 that's completely
00:47:22.820 unbiblical.
00:47:23.460 that's completely
00:47:24.500 opposed
00:47:25.480 to God's
00:47:26.400 definitions of justice.
00:47:27.420 What do we
00:47:27.800 say if you look
00:47:28.780 at the Old Testament
00:47:29.420 and God's law
00:47:30.260 giving to Israel?
00:47:31.580 What are
00:47:32.020 the four characteristics
00:47:33.440 of justice
00:47:34.060 that we see
00:47:34.640 repeatedly?
00:47:36.520 We see
00:47:37.400 that justice,
00:47:38.400 according to God,
00:47:39.020 is truthful.
00:47:40.060 It is direct.
00:47:41.380 So that means
00:47:42.020 that you as a white person
00:47:43.140 are not on the hook
00:47:44.180 for either
00:47:45.640 what your ancestors
00:47:46.580 did
00:47:47.040 or what someone
00:47:48.540 who just vaguely
00:47:49.480 looked like you
00:47:50.760 did who lives
00:47:52.200 in the same
00:47:52.760 relative geographical
00:47:54.180 region as you
00:47:55.800 200 years ago.
00:47:58.260 It is also
00:47:59.020 proportional
00:47:59.600 so the punishment
00:48:00.480 fits the crime
00:48:01.240 and that it is
00:48:02.120 also impartial.
00:48:03.400 We read over
00:48:04.100 and over again
00:48:04.660 Old and New Testament
00:48:05.800 that God hates
00:48:06.880 partiality,
00:48:08.300 that he hates
00:48:08.920 when we favor
00:48:09.520 the poor
00:48:10.080 or when we favor
00:48:11.040 the great,
00:48:12.740 when we give
00:48:13.460 preferential treatment
00:48:14.480 to one person
00:48:15.280 because of their status,
00:48:16.820 whether it's
00:48:17.760 their poor status,
00:48:18.720 their small status,
00:48:19.520 their big
00:48:21.260 and powerful
00:48:21.860 and rich status,
00:48:23.200 God sees
00:48:23.900 partiality
00:48:25.060 as injustice.
00:48:26.760 So to say
00:48:27.420 that current
00:48:27.940 partiality
00:48:28.680 is the remedy
00:48:29.340 for past
00:48:30.360 partiality
00:48:31.280 is sinful.
00:48:32.540 It is unbiblical.
00:48:35.380 So I just want
00:48:36.140 to read you,
00:48:36.660 I like when we're
00:48:37.320 talking about
00:48:37.840 this kind of stuff,
00:48:38.400 I just,
00:48:39.020 again,
00:48:39.680 want to read you
00:48:40.200 which I think
00:48:40.640 summarizes
00:48:41.740 what we're
00:48:42.060 talking about.
00:48:42.960 James 3,
00:48:43.980 starting in verse 13,
00:48:45.700 who is wise
00:48:46.400 and understanding
00:48:46.940 among you
00:48:47.420 by his good conduct,
00:48:48.500 let him show
00:48:49.040 his works
00:48:49.500 in the meekness
00:48:50.280 of wisdom.
00:48:51.040 But if you have
00:48:51.600 bitter jealousy
00:48:52.280 and selfish ambition
00:48:53.160 in your hearts,
00:48:53.820 do not boast
00:48:54.380 and be false
00:48:54.860 to the truth.
00:48:55.620 This is not
00:48:56.140 the wisdom
00:48:56.540 that comes down
00:48:57.220 from above
00:48:57.800 but is earthly
00:48:58.700 unspiritual demonic.
00:49:00.180 For where jealousy
00:49:00.960 and selfish ambition
00:49:01.840 exist,
00:49:02.480 there will be
00:49:03.020 disorder
00:49:03.420 in every vile
00:49:04.720 practice.
00:49:05.640 But the wisdom
00:49:06.140 from above
00:49:06.800 is first pure
00:49:07.600 then peaceable,
00:49:08.360 gentle,
00:49:08.760 open to reason,
00:49:09.840 full of mercy
00:49:10.800 and good fruits,
00:49:11.620 impartial
00:49:12.520 and sincere
00:49:14.420 and a harvest
00:49:14.980 of righteousness
00:49:15.600 is sown
00:49:16.720 in peace
00:49:17.380 by those
00:49:18.040 who make
00:49:19.380 peace.
00:49:21.080 The wisdom
00:49:21.700 from above
00:49:22.420 is pure,
00:49:23.120 peaceful,
00:49:23.500 gentle,
00:49:23.920 open to reason.
00:49:25.900 The ideology
00:49:26.420 of anti-racism
00:49:27.940 is closed off
00:49:29.200 to reason.
00:49:30.280 It is based
00:49:31.080 largely on
00:49:32.740 emotion
00:49:33.640 and again,
00:49:34.940 theories.
00:49:35.980 I would be curious
00:49:37.260 how many
00:49:38.220 books
00:49:40.540 she has read
00:49:41.820 on critical
00:49:42.580 race theory
00:49:43.360 and I'm talking
00:49:44.160 about by proponents
00:49:45.380 of critical
00:49:46.100 race theory,
00:49:46.640 by the authors
00:49:47.220 of critical
00:49:47.720 race theory
00:49:48.240 I have
00:49:48.760 and she
00:49:50.540 might not
00:49:51.060 realize
00:49:51.580 that that is
00:49:52.140 where many
00:49:52.980 of her assertions
00:49:53.740 are coming
00:49:54.440 from
00:49:54.800 but in fact
00:49:57.300 they are.
00:49:57.940 So all this
00:49:58.480 to say
00:49:58.940 people like
00:49:59.880 Beth Moore
00:50:00.500 and some
00:50:00.900 of the other
00:50:01.260 people that
00:50:01.740 Tucker Carlson
00:50:02.320 listed,
00:50:02.880 they definitely
00:50:03.880 find time
00:50:04.920 and energy
00:50:05.460 and space
00:50:05.980 and words
00:50:06.340 to talk
00:50:06.760 about cultural
00:50:07.320 and political
00:50:07.840 issues
00:50:08.360 but I just
00:50:09.940 think again
00:50:10.500 they're embarrassed
00:50:11.500 by Christians
00:50:13.420 who are standing
00:50:14.040 up to issues
00:50:14.840 that they see
00:50:15.360 as right-wing
00:50:15.940 conservative issues.
00:50:17.520 It's more
00:50:18.140 sophisticated,
00:50:19.140 it's more
00:50:19.500 biblical
00:50:19.920 to stand up
00:50:21.060 for issues
00:50:21.640 that are
00:50:22.080 traditionally
00:50:22.480 left-wing
00:50:22.980 and I know
00:50:23.380 they see
00:50:23.760 themselves
00:50:24.160 as non-political.
00:50:25.620 I know
00:50:25.880 they see
00:50:26.540 themselves
00:50:26.980 as moderate
00:50:28.040 and look
00:50:28.840 we all have
00:50:29.380 our,
00:50:29.640 I'm conservative
00:50:30.440 so I'm
00:50:31.180 going to be
00:50:31.560 thinking more
00:50:32.340 about,
00:50:33.920 I'm going to
00:50:34.680 be thinking
00:50:34.960 more about
00:50:35.640 stories
00:50:36.180 that kind
00:50:37.240 of are,
00:50:38.400 that my
00:50:38.840 eyes are
00:50:39.800 drawn to.
00:50:40.720 I understand
00:50:41.040 we all
00:50:41.360 have our
00:50:41.700 biases
00:50:42.060 and I'm
00:50:42.580 not saying
00:50:42.880 that we
00:50:43.160 don't,
00:50:43.500 I'm certainly
00:50:43.980 not perfect
00:50:44.940 on this
00:50:45.240 but I'm
00:50:45.560 telling you
00:50:46.100 that I am
00:50:46.560 a conservative
00:50:47.060 and these
00:50:47.980 are the
00:50:48.280 things that
00:50:49.380 I care
00:50:49.740 about.
00:50:50.220 I do try
00:50:50.780 to be as
00:50:51.180 even as
00:50:51.640 possible
00:50:52.080 and as
00:50:52.460 fair as
00:50:52.840 possible
00:50:53.300 too
00:50:53.660 and I
00:50:55.020 just don't
00:50:55.620 see that
00:50:56.100 from the
00:50:57.260 culture
00:50:57.600 warriors
00:50:58.160 who say
00:50:59.380 that they're
00:50:59.720 Christian
00:51:00.000 conservatives
00:51:00.460 or say
00:51:01.160 that they're
00:51:01.540 moderate
00:51:01.880 or say
00:51:02.420 that they're
00:51:02.840 apolitical
00:51:03.680 who have
00:51:04.380 so much
00:51:05.100 breath
00:51:05.640 to talk
00:51:06.340 about the
00:51:06.720 issues
00:51:07.020 over here
00:51:07.520 and not
00:51:08.280 about the
00:51:08.800 huge
00:51:09.300 glaring
00:51:09.760 issues
00:51:10.300 over here
00:51:10.780 and to
00:51:11.080 stand up
00:51:11.560 for Christians
00:51:12.080 around the
00:51:12.720 world who
00:51:13.480 are going
00:51:14.340 to jail
00:51:14.840 and being
00:51:15.480 legitimately
00:51:16.460 persecuted
00:51:17.780 for sharing
00:51:18.740 the gospel
00:51:19.380 and for
00:51:19.880 speaking truth
00:51:20.560 in the face
00:51:21.980 of perversion.
00:51:24.460 I mean,
00:51:24.740 shouldn't they
00:51:25.160 have something
00:51:25.620 to say about
00:51:26.300 that?
00:51:27.400 I don't know.
00:51:28.220 You can tell me
00:51:28.760 if I'm wrong
00:51:29.260 or maybe
00:51:29.980 you can point
00:51:30.660 me to where
00:51:31.080 they have
00:51:31.420 talked about
00:51:31.840 that and I
00:51:32.280 could be
00:51:32.520 completely off.
00:51:33.180 If that's
00:51:33.560 true,
00:51:33.900 I will retract
00:51:34.680 what I said
00:51:35.280 and I will
00:51:36.260 issue an
00:51:36.900 apology because
00:51:37.660 I don't want
00:51:38.300 to misrepresent.
00:51:39.880 Maybe I'm
00:51:40.700 completely wrong
00:51:41.360 about that.
00:51:42.400 But I think
00:51:43.140 Tucker, again,
00:51:44.240 makes a valid
00:51:44.940 point about
00:51:45.940 the silence
00:51:46.460 of those
00:51:46.780 people who
00:51:47.380 have a lot
00:51:48.680 of time to
00:51:49.200 spare for
00:51:49.840 the issues
00:51:50.460 that get
00:51:52.300 them articles
00:51:53.420 in the New
00:51:53.820 York Times
00:51:54.520 and the
00:51:56.260 Atlantic.
00:51:56.680 All right.
00:52:09.100 That's all
00:52:09.820 we have time
00:52:10.600 for today.
00:52:11.360 There were so
00:52:11.700 much, so many
00:52:12.820 other things I
00:52:13.360 wanted to talk
00:52:13.980 about.
00:52:14.220 I feel like I
00:52:14.720 have so much
00:52:15.280 to catch up
00:52:15.860 on that
00:52:16.760 Hershey's
00:52:17.700 women's ad
00:52:18.880 that included
00:52:20.640 a guy.
00:52:21.840 We'll talk
00:52:22.520 about it.
00:52:22.960 We'll talk
00:52:23.300 about it
00:52:23.600 sometime this
00:52:24.140 week.
00:52:24.380 We got a
00:52:24.840 lot of ground
00:52:25.520 to cover
00:52:25.880 this week.
00:52:26.680 A lot
00:52:27.300 of ground
00:52:27.640 to cover.
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00:52:29.160 anything in
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