Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 769 ｜ What REALLY Happened with Silicon Valley Bank & Why It Matters ｜ Guest： Carol Roth

00:00:00.000 One of America's largest banks, Silicon Valley Bank, has failed.

00:00:04.960 The repercussions of this go beyond the bank itself and beyond California.

00:00:09.260 This story actually has significance for us, for our lives, and also tells us a lot about

00:00:14.200 the federal government, about economic policy, and the goal of those at the World Economic

00:00:19.620 Forum to force people eventually to rely on a centralized government-run bank.

00:00:25.720 So here to break this all down, explaining it to us like we are five, in the words of

00:00:31.580 Michael Scott, and to actually make us feel a lot better about this chaos is Carol Roth,

00:00:37.500 economic expert and former investment banker.

00:00:40.700 Then we've got a fun, unrelated segment, rating some of the best and worst of Oscar's attire.

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00:01:06.480 Carol, thanks so much for taking the time to join us on what I know is a busy day for you.

00:01:11.740 Can you tell us a little bit first about who you are and what you do?

00:01:15.240 Sure.

00:01:15.820 I kind of call myself a collector of experiences.

00:01:19.040 I'm a recovering investment banker and author.

00:01:22.200 Many people know me from Twitter or television.

00:01:27.240 Investors sit on boards.

00:01:28.740 So I do all kinds of things, but I really have come from the financial space.

00:01:33.460 And I think what makes me different than a lot of folks out there is I was the first person in my family to graduate from college.

00:01:41.240 So I came from a father who was an electrician, a mom who was sort of a hobby entrepreneur, and they really believed in the American dream.

00:01:51.100 And I have been able, you know, through their hard work and then my own hard work to achieve that American dream.

00:01:57.320 And I see that being tamped down for a lot of people.

00:02:00.920 So it's my passion point to preserve that for everybody.

00:02:05.740 Yeah, and that's exactly why we wanted you specifically on, because there's a lot of financial experts out there.

00:02:13.480 But look, my audience, we don't typically focus on financial stories.

00:02:18.860 It's just not really my beat, and it's not always the primary interest of my audience.

00:02:23.520 But yesterday I asked on Instagram, as I often do on Sundays, what do you want to hear about?

00:02:28.480 And almost every answer was, tell me what is going on with Silicon Valley Bank.

00:02:34.220 What is this?

00:02:35.120 Should I care?

00:02:36.060 Does it affect my life?

00:02:37.440 Is it just a bunch of rich tech entrepreneurs that got screwed?

00:02:41.500 Or what's going on here?

00:02:43.200 So let's back up.

00:02:44.800 What is Silicon Valley Bank?

00:02:46.980 And just kind of in summary, what happened on Friday?

00:02:51.460 Yeah, so Silicon Valley Bank was one of the 20 largest banks in the United States.

00:02:57.600 And this is why the story has become so big.

00:03:01.200 They were a big friend and partner to the technology industry.

00:03:06.340 So if you think about all of the startups in Silicon Valley, a very large portion of them,

00:03:12.380 as well as other small businesses and individuals and other businesses,

00:03:16.280 had relationships that built this up into a very formidable, what we would call a regional bank,

00:03:21.960 not necessarily one of the ones you would see all across the country.

00:03:25.260 But they did have a few different geographic locations.

00:03:28.820 So that's a little bit about who they are.

00:03:32.380 What happened to them is a crazy story that we have to kind of rewind a little bit

00:03:37.460 and talk about the Federal Reserve.

00:03:40.220 And the Federal Reserve is this quasi-private public entity that is charged with keeping stability

00:03:48.140 in the economy.

00:03:49.100 They are supposed to hold down inflation and they're supposed to maximize employment.

00:03:54.400 As you can probably guess, based on what's going around, they're not doing the best job with that.

00:04:00.200 And unfortunately, as this sort of central planning entity, they are, in my own words,

00:04:06.540 sort of playing God with the economy and the financial markets,

00:04:10.260 saying us as a small group of people are going to make these policy decisions.

00:04:14.340 And, you know, everything is going to flow from there and it ends up having ripple effects.

00:04:19.680 So coming out of the Great Recession financial crisis, one of the things they did is they decided

00:04:26.680 to make policy to basically spur the economy.

00:04:31.040 And part of what they did was hold down interest rates at an artificial level.

00:04:36.700 And that injected a bunch of money into the economy so that the economy could grow and come out of the

00:04:43.560 Great Recession financial crisis, a quote-unquote emergency measure.

00:04:47.760 The problem is that they kept that emergency measure in place for the greater part of 15 years.

00:04:56.620 And so when you do something that is unusual and you have this central planning kind of putting

00:05:02.600 their thumb on the scale, there's always going to be reverberations.

00:05:06.700 So fast forward to today and, you know, the COVID policies that came out of 2020,

00:05:13.500 you had the Fed, again, standing by, taking their interest rates down to zero.

00:05:20.860 There was government stimulus in the economy and there was a lot of money sloshing around

00:05:24.880 trying to find places to go.

00:05:27.240 So in the Silicon Valley, all of the businesses and individuals went to the bank and they deposited

00:05:34.900 their money in the bank and the bank grew their deposits by like triple the amount.

00:05:39.940 They tripled them between 2019 and 2021.

00:05:43.940 Now, what the bank is supposed to do then is take that money and loan it out.

00:05:49.220 But unfortunately, at this point, people had had enough loans or they couldn't find enough

00:05:54.380 great companies.

00:05:55.360 It's kind of the end of the financial cycle.

00:05:57.380 This is during COVID.

00:05:59.460 So is that part of the reason why maybe not as many people were taking out loans during

00:06:03.600 that time?

00:06:04.100 They just weren't taking a lot of risk?

00:06:06.260 That potentially could be a reason as well, or that the bank was perhaps concerned about

00:06:12.340 what the business would look like coming out of COVID and wanted a little bit more information.

00:06:16.660 So they couldn't find anything to do with all of these deposits they had taken in.

00:06:22.820 They weren't going to lend them out.

00:06:24.500 So they said, we're just going to invest that.

00:06:27.580 And they decided to invest them in what they thought would be safe.

00:06:32.580 Treasury securities, mortgage-backed securities.

00:06:36.240 What's that?

00:06:37.060 I'm sorry to ask you probably such a rudimentary question, but what's a security?

00:06:41.980 What's a treasury security and a mortgage-backed security?

00:06:44.480 Yeah, so a treasury security is basically how the government finances itself.

00:06:50.240 It puts out obligations that people say, oh, the government is going to pay back.

00:06:56.020 And they have very different durations.

00:06:58.440 They can be really short durations, or they could be 10 years, or they could be 30 years.

00:07:03.480 That's sort of kind of the spread from a very short number of maybe 30 days up to 30 years.

00:07:10.300 So all across the spectrum, mortgage-backed securities, just like, same thing, like what it sounds like.

00:07:17.320 It's packaging up mortgages and saying, you know, basically this is what's going to back the security.

00:07:23.100 So these are considered kind of the stability factor for the financial system.

00:07:29.140 So the bank said, well, we're going to go put our money in these.

00:07:33.360 This should be safe.

00:07:34.800 We're going to get, you know, at the time, as I said, the interest rates were very low.

00:07:38.220 So we're going to get, you know, one plus percent, you know, more than one, but less than 2%.

00:07:43.820 But they locked that up for 10 years.

00:07:47.380 Instead of buying maybe a one-year or a two-year or even a five-year security, they locked that up for 10 years. 0.96

00:07:55.620 And this was incredibly stupid because these are bankers and the head of the Silicon Valley Bank was also a member of one of the regional Fed banks. 0.92

00:08:07.180 So they should have known at some point that the Fed was not going to be able to keep interest rates artificially low forever and interest rates would increase. 0.99

00:08:16.360 And what happens with bond securities, like a treasury, for example, is when interest rates go up, the bond prices go down and vice versa.

00:08:27.400 They balance each other out.

00:08:29.040 So there's an inverse proportion there.

00:08:31.140 So when the Federal Reserve ended up in a situation where there was tons of inflation and they had to feel like they had to do something, that's when they decided to raise interest rates.

00:08:43.700 Which, again, something that if you are a banker, you should have known that that was coming.

00:08:50.040 And what did we just say?

00:08:51.180 There's an inverse relationship between the bond prices and the interest rates.

00:08:55.760 So when the interest rates go up, the bond prices go down, the Fed raises interest rates.

00:09:01.820 Allie, what happens to the bond prices?

00:09:04.340 It goes down.

00:09:05.860 It goes down.

00:09:06.700 Exactly.

00:09:07.220 So we've got that inverse relationship.

00:09:08.940 So you have these 10-year bonds, treasuries, mortgage-backed securities that are on the balance sheet, which if they hold them for the 10 years, it doesn't matter because they're still going to get to maturity.

00:09:21.740 They're not going to lose any money.

00:09:23.280 They're going to get paid their interest rates.

00:09:25.180 But if for some reason they had to sell them, then the market is now saying they are worth less because we could get more interest buying a different bond.

00:09:35.400 So we're going to pay you less for the one that has a smaller interest rate.

00:09:40.100 So as interest rates are going up, the people who have their deposits in the bank are going, well, I'm not getting very much on my deposit in the bank, Silicon Valley Bank.

00:09:51.320 I could go buy a treasury, which over recent days and weeks, you could get 5% on a treasury of a short duration.

00:10:01.020 So I'm going to pull my money out and I'm going to go look somewhere else.

00:10:05.160 Or maybe because the economy is slowing down, I'm going to pull more of my money out for operating capital.

00:10:11.260 So they had this money locked up and now they can't pay back all of these depositors who are pulling out more money than was expected.

00:10:21.780 Got it.

00:10:22.100 So to do that, they had to sell their bonds at a loss.

00:10:27.380 Okay, so they lost money.

00:10:30.120 They did on that, which, again, they shouldn't have had to do.

00:10:34.720 There are other things they could have done.

00:10:36.540 They could have gone out and raised capital.

00:10:40.180 But just the way they communicated this to the market and the steps that they took, their customers, who are very close-knit, they're in Silicon Valley, they're all talking to each other on Slack channels, go,

00:10:53.060 Oh, my goodness, did you see what's happening?

00:10:56.100 If more people pull it out, they're not going to be able to cover all of this.

00:11:00.500 I better get my money out now.

00:11:03.160 And that created panic for the next person.

00:11:05.700 And that created panic for the next person.

00:11:07.780 And all of these entities started pulling money out, which is what is considered a bank run.

00:11:13.620 And if the individuals don't feel comfortable and in good faith that their deposits are secure, particularly in this case, because so many of these were corporate clients, they had balances that far exceeded the insurance limits from FDIC.

00:11:34.100 There were just a ton of uninsured balances, which made them even more eager to pull that money out and create safety.

00:11:43.460 And that created the situation that we're in today.

00:11:46.080 Okay, let me see if I can summarize it and you correct the points that are incorrect.

00:12:03.860 And so basically, okay, so let me go back.

00:12:08.580 So you said from 2019 to 2021, people were taking out fewer loans than they had before.

00:12:18.140 But banks have to put their...

00:12:20.400 But on top of that, they had got putting in a lot of money.

00:12:23.660 So people were depositing a lot of money.

00:12:25.840 Depositing a lot of money.

00:12:26.420 So they have all this money to loan out.

00:12:28.660 Right.

00:12:28.980 But not enough loans to give out.

00:12:30.920 Okay, but...

00:12:32.140 And that is how banks typically put their money to work.

00:12:34.380 So when people are depositing money, they typically use that money when people are taking out loans, correct?

00:12:40.480 But because fewer people were taking out loans, they put them to work in a different way,

00:12:45.340 which was through these mortgage-backed securities, through these treasury securities.

00:12:49.980 That didn't work out for them for a number of reasons.

00:12:52.720 They didn't foresee for some reason the interest rates would go up.

00:12:56.220 So the value of those bonds went down.

00:12:59.880 So when people started then...

00:13:03.100 Okay, you're going to have to...

00:13:04.340 You might have to pick up from there.

00:13:05.840 Basically, they had to sell those bonds at a lower value.

00:13:09.800 So they lost money.

00:13:10.960 So they didn't have enough money when people wanted to take their money out to give them the money.

00:13:15.700 And so then people started freaking out and saying,

00:13:17.480 Well, I want my money before you run out of all of your money.

00:13:20.600 And then they didn't have enough money to give to the people that wanted to take out all of their money.

00:13:24.600 And that's called a bank run, right?

00:13:26.080 Basically, I think a couple of points to underscore here, just so that everyone can really dig in,

00:13:32.800 is that if people weren't pulling out their deposits at a higher rate than they had anticipated,

00:13:40.380 they anticipate some level of people are going to pull their deposits.

00:13:43.300 That's normal course of business.

00:13:44.620 So they certainly had some plans for that.

00:13:48.000 But it was the fact that they had more people who were pulling it out than they had anticipated.

00:13:53.260 So these long-term securities, which again, if they had held them the 10 years,

00:13:58.040 they wouldn't have had to take a loss on them, today were trading at a loss.

00:14:03.680 So it was what we call a timing issue and a liquidity issue.

00:14:08.200 They didn't have enough money to be able to pay back today.

00:14:12.240 It wasn't that they were insolvent.

00:14:14.040 It wasn't even that they had made toxic or bad loans or, you know, kind of bad bets that went sour in the moment.

00:14:22.420 It was really this timing issue.

00:14:24.960 And that's something, as I said, again, that a bank of that size and sophistication should have been able to work around.

00:14:34.060 And frankly, the Federal Reserve, who's stepped in here to create some backstops, could have done that at that point in time.

00:14:43.280 I don't know if they were just arrogant or, you know, just in such a bubble that they didn't realize that this communication,

00:14:50.740 the way that they were going to communicate this issue to the market was going to cause their clients to panic

00:14:57.640 and to accelerate the pullouts of, you know, of these deposits.

00:15:02.660 But that's what ended up happening.

00:15:05.420 And then, you know, once you have it, that happened with one bank, then everybody else starts to panic.

00:15:10.560 And the system is built on people not panicking.

00:15:13.240 It's built on trust, right?

00:15:14.560 It's built on trust, which, you know, given the fact that the dollar is only backed by faith and trust in the U.S. government,

00:15:22.320 which is really the U.S. economy and the productivity of U.S. workers.

00:15:27.640 You know, there's not a lot backing it there.

00:15:30.240 So when anything happens to breach that, particularly given the broader macroeconomic backdrop,

00:15:36.480 it's not like we have this fabulous economic backdrop and everyone's like, oh, you know, this should be fine.

00:15:41.080 People are sort of on edge about what's going to happen and what's going to be the next shoe to drop.

00:15:45.920 And there are a lot of parallels in the broader market that are reminding people of previous financial crisis times

00:15:53.160 and just little data points that are putting everyone on edge.

00:15:56.840 So nobody wants to be left holding the bag here.

00:16:00.880 Yeah.

00:16:01.140 So this is like if people want to reference point in popular culture, if you think of that famous scene in It's a Wonderful Life,

00:16:07.300 when they're about to leave for the honeymoon and then he looks around and he sees that there's a bank run happening at the bank.

00:16:15.380 I forget what the bank is called.

00:16:18.380 I can't think of it at the top of my head on It's a Wonderful Life.

00:16:20.500 And he has to go back there and all the people run into run into the bank and they say, I want my money out.

00:16:27.500 And he's like, oh, I'll give you as little money as possible.

00:16:30.640 But I can't give you your money because it's not actually here.

00:16:33.240 It's in your home and it's in your home.

00:16:35.200 And so I can give you a little bit, but I can't give you this two hundred dollars that you that you have here.

00:16:40.340 And then, of course, part of the part of the movie is about them building, building back up through people's charity.

00:16:47.880 But anyway, and so people kind of want to understand a little bit of what is going on here.

00:16:53.120 It's not an exact parallel, of course.

00:16:55.060 So people have been talking about afterwards.

00:16:57.160 People are shorting the stock.

00:16:59.420 What does that mean?

00:17:00.520 What is shorting the stock mean?

00:17:01.740 And how does that relate to what happened to SVB?

00:17:05.000 So if so, there's two different mechanisms in terms of making a bet against the stock.

00:17:11.200 So normally, you know, we think about stocks.

00:17:13.360 We think a great stock is going to go up.

00:17:15.260 We buy the stock because we think that it's going to go up.

00:17:17.920 Right.

00:17:18.440 If you think the stock is going to go down and you own it, you sell the stock.

00:17:23.220 Right.

00:17:23.480 Because you want to protect whatever you've made or you don't want to incur more losses.

00:17:27.580 But if you don't own the stock and you decide it's still going to go down, you might borrow

00:17:35.580 that stock from somebody who does own it and then sell it, hoping that it goes down and

00:17:42.060 then you can collect your money and, you know, pay back the person that you borrowed from.

00:17:47.480 So that's basically the idea behind short selling.

00:17:50.340 But there was tremendous downward pressure both in companies or, excuse me, investment

00:17:56.180 firms that owned this company directly, as well as those who wanted to make bets against

00:18:01.960 Silicon Valley Bank, as well as other regional financial firms and, frankly, as well as the

00:18:08.660 big banks, because right now everybody's nervous.

00:18:10.800 What does this mean for bank earnings and the financial system regulation and so on and so

00:18:17.240 forth?

00:18:17.540 So it really does spread throughout the financial system.

00:18:21.680 And tell me how the federal government is responding to this or is poised to respond to

00:18:25.940 it.

00:18:26.740 Yeah.

00:18:26.960 So what we know right now, and this is all unfolding real time, is, you know, this, by

00:18:33.580 the way, happened really, really quickly.

00:18:36.000 Normally, you don't see something unfold.

00:18:38.900 I mean, this happened within 48 hours of the panic and the decision to close the bank.

00:18:46.260 So this was sort of unprecedented, particularly for a bank of this size.

00:18:51.720 So what happened over the weekend is that the federal government, you know, the Fed and

00:18:58.500 the Treasury put out a joint press release together that said they are basically going to make

00:19:04.620 sure that anybody who is not only a depositor of this bank, but another bank that they closed,

00:19:13.080 Signature Bank, another regional bank.

00:19:15.760 This one is based in New York, that they closed this other bank.

00:19:19.980 But they said, we are going to make sure that whether you exceed that FDIC insurance limit,

00:19:26.940 we're going to make sure your deposits are secure.

00:19:30.700 And this is a very specific thing.

00:19:33.180 They have very specific ways that they're doing it.

00:19:36.340 One of the narratives that's going on around is that this is a bank bailout.

00:19:41.120 And I disagree with that.

00:19:43.280 And this is very nuanced, but they're not protecting the shareholders.

00:19:47.200 They are not protecting management.

00:19:49.380 They have shown management the door.

00:19:51.760 They are basically just trying to create some of that, restore some of that faith in the

00:19:57.340 system so that this doesn't become a full on contagion.

00:20:01.440 And they don't want everybody to panic from their financial institution.

00:20:04.500 So they said, we're stepping in here.

00:20:06.180 We're going to make sure, because remember, I told you that the securities that they had

00:20:11.420 to sell were good securities.

00:20:13.980 They were just long duration.

00:20:15.980 So the Fed and the Treasury basically said, OK, well, we'll just, you know, we'll take those

00:20:22.180 on.

00:20:22.560 We'll create the, you know, we'll hold the money from that.

00:20:24.980 We'll give a loan against that just to make sure everybody is taken care of.

00:20:28.520 And that's frankly what they should have done before causing this panic.

00:20:32.020 But, you know, we're here today because nobody decided to do that.

00:20:36.180 So they're trying to create this feeling that there is faith in the system and you don't

00:20:43.160 have to worry.

00:20:43.600 The government will be there for you.

00:20:45.340 So they've given sort of an somewhat explicit manner of what they're going to do for these

00:20:51.320 two particular banks.

00:20:53.180 And then they have also basically given a general blanket that, hey, we're going to shore up the

00:20:59.400 whole financial system.

00:21:00.640 We're going to make sure all the banks are safe and you don't have to worry.

00:21:04.120 But they haven't been real explicit about what happens if this were to happen somewhere

00:21:10.220 else.

00:21:10.800 So we'll see.

00:21:12.480 We'll see if that's good enough to sort of, you know, allay people's fears or if that's

00:21:20.400 not good enough.

00:21:21.380 And they're going to need to be more explicit about what steps they're taking.

00:21:25.060 But that's the dialogue that has come out, you know, as of the beginning of the day

00:21:31.680 Monday.

00:21:32.720 And, you know, this this narrative is probably far from over.

00:21:36.540 OK, so you disagree with those who are saying because I would say people on the conservative

00:21:40.140 side are saying, well, Biden is just bailing out these billionaires because they're his

00:21:44.800 liberal friends or whatever.

00:21:46.120 You don't think that's really what's going on.

00:21:47.680 I mean, here's the alternative.

00:21:50.280 And let's just let's talk about how this this works.

00:21:52.900 So let's take a company like Etsy.

00:21:55.200 Are you are you familiar with Etsy?

00:21:57.100 Yes.

00:21:57.420 Wonderful site.

00:21:58.620 A lot of artists and entrepreneurs who are selling their wares.

00:22:02.400 So the parent company of Etsy keeps their money, all the cash that they use to manage their

00:22:08.160 business in Silicon Valley, or not all of it, but a large chunk of it in Silicon Valley

00:22:12.720 Bank.

00:22:13.140 So if you have sold on Etsy and you're awaiting payment from them, their payment is now or

00:22:21.920 before this was not available that they had to put a note out to their entire customer

00:22:27.360 base saying, you know, we're trying to sort through this like we might not be able to pay

00:22:31.940 you for some time.

00:22:33.740 And God forbid this, you know, became a bigger thing.

00:22:36.020 It may be at all.

00:22:37.480 So do you really want those small business owners who are, you know, making wonderful products

00:22:43.120 to not get paid because you're trying to stick it to some Silicon Valley bro?

00:22:48.000 Like, I don't understand the mentality.

00:22:50.080 If this was called, you know, small bank of, you know, Iowa, I don't think people would be

00:22:56.380 having the same reaction.

00:22:57.900 So, again, the shareholders were not protected.

00:23:01.120 The management team was not protected.

00:23:03.500 But if you all of a sudden put out the signal that we're not going to help depositors, we're

00:23:11.320 basically going to take down the entire banking system.

00:23:14.780 And, you know, we have many more people's deposits who will be at risk.

00:23:19.200 We have a lot of small businesses who will be at risk.

00:23:21.860 And it will potentially could just collapse the entire financial system.

00:23:26.700 Now, that being said, not to say that there aren't many, many problems with the U.S.

00:23:32.640 financial system.

00:23:33.420 And we're in a slow burn towards a new financial world order anyway.

00:23:38.320 But I'm not in the camp that we like torched a whole thing overnight.

00:23:42.520 I don't think that would be great for people.

00:23:44.360 I'd rather inform people, have them get prepared, do what they can to protect themselves and then

00:23:50.720 let, you know, everything try to avoid that.

00:23:53.320 But if it goes in that direction, at least be prepared for that.

00:23:55.900 So I think that the narrative around, oh, this is a bailout for, you know, Biden is really

00:24:03.140 politicizing.

00:24:04.540 If Trump were there and it was called the Small Business Bank of Iowa, people would be feeling

00:24:09.780 different.

00:24:10.160 So think about it on principles, not on the specific names attached and know that it just

00:24:17.320 because it starts there doesn't mean that it ends there.

00:24:20.520 And this would not be a good outcome for just about anybody.

00:24:25.900 You put it this way or one point this way on Twitter, you said a key takeaway from the

00:24:39.620 Silicon Valley Bank drama is the same as it ever was.

00:24:42.700 The Fed is a consolidator of wealth over time.

00:24:44.900 The biggest and wealthiest benefit from Fed policy at the expense of everyone else.

00:24:48.340 The great consolidation continues on the back of the Fed.

00:24:51.860 And something that I've seen you talk about in commentary is this kind of movement towards,

00:24:56.880 I mean, this would be, again, kind of the slow burn and the radical long-term goal of

00:25:02.440 getting rid of banks and the Fed saying, you know what, but we're here.

00:25:06.340 You don't need all of these little banks.

00:25:08.840 We are the central bank that you really can trust.

00:25:12.160 And this is kind of a movement that we're seeing globally.

00:25:14.340 So tell us a little bit about that and how this does perhaps play into what I know you

00:25:20.520 write about a lot, which is this radical revolution of not just the American, but also the global

00:25:28.960 financial market.

00:25:31.260 Yeah.

00:25:31.460 So let me draw a parallel that I think people will be able to really understand between what

00:25:36.060 happened here and what happened with COVID policy.

00:25:38.620 What happened with COVID policy is they said, small businesses, you need to shut down.

00:25:45.400 And these big companies that do the same thing as you do, we're going to keep them open.

00:25:50.300 And so the dollars went from small businesses to the biggest companies in the world.

00:25:56.260 And then, as I mentioned, when we were first starting this conversation, the Federal Reserve

00:26:00.600 came in with their policy, which jacked up the stock prices.

00:26:05.000 I mean, you had, I think it was seven tech companies that gained $3.4 trillion in value

00:26:11.300 during 2020 on the back of both this direct policy of shutting down small businesses and

00:26:18.240 then the Fed policy of suppressing interest rates, easy access to capital, cheap access

00:26:23.860 to capital.

00:26:25.240 And so what that did was it consolidated more money and power within these bigger entities

00:26:31.920 and less against the decentralized part of the economy in terms of small business.

00:26:38.220 And you're seeing the same thing here, that to the extent that you say, well, you know,

00:26:43.460 we can't trust these regional banks, you know, they're a systemic risk, or you let them

00:26:50.920 completely fail.

00:26:52.680 And then you change around some of the laws, you know, because it's a crisis and an emergency

00:26:58.300 that would allow some of the bigger banks to pick off, you know, some of their assets.

00:27:03.400 It is that, again, that consolidation taking away from smaller, even though this was a top

00:27:09.120 20 bank, you know, it's still a lot smaller than the JP Morgan's and the Wells Fargo's and

00:27:13.780 the Bank of America's of the world.

00:27:15.440 It's that movement towards consolidating power in a handful of banks, or even worse, that they

00:27:22.640 use the cover story, as you had alluded to, is, well, we can't have bank runs, you know,

00:27:28.780 we can't have this scenario where your deposits aren't available.

00:27:32.540 So the Fed, we're just going to control this all with a digital dollar, and you'll never

00:27:38.180 have to worry about that.

00:27:40.260 The downside of that is the loss of freedom and control.

00:27:44.880 Well, what they're trying to do, and what they're exploring in their tests that they're

00:27:50.860 conducting, as we speak, on central bank digital currencies, or CBDCs, is the ability for them

00:27:58.500 to have complete control.

00:28:00.300 I mean, imagine like a dollar that you have, you know, sitting around, imagine had a tracking

00:28:05.140 chip in it, and they could track the movement anytime you went and you spent, and if they

00:28:11.220 didn't like what you were spending on, theoretically, they could say, sorry, that dollar isn't valid

00:28:17.160 today, or it's only valid if you spend it with these stores.

00:28:21.320 I mean, think about how much power and control that would give them.

00:28:24.600 And for anyone who thinks this is a conspiracy, we've all lived through COVID, and we saw the

00:28:30.180 things that were done here, Canada, around the world.

00:28:33.720 It's not a very big leap to think that that could happen.

00:28:36.420 And plus, we're actually already seeing banks, not a central bank, but we're seeing

00:28:41.220 already seeing banks and credit card companies saying, well, we're not going to allow you

00:28:45.380 to use these funds to purchase a gun.

00:28:48.720 You're not going to be able to go to these gun stores.

00:28:50.820 And so, I mean, if these quote unquote private companies are already kind of imposing their

00:29:01.360 values on the customer by saying you're not going to be allowed to use your own money to

00:29:07.920 be able to purchase things that we don't politically agree with, then of course, I think that we

00:29:12.780 can all understand, we can all deduce very easily that the federal government would certainly

00:29:18.080 do that.

00:29:18.840 And we already see that kind of thing in China.

00:29:21.280 So tell us what ESG, which we've talked about several times on this show, environmental,

00:29:29.080 social, governance score, these points that basically all of these companies are trying

00:29:34.300 to score, tell us what this has to do with this, because as I've seen a lot of people

00:29:38.220 report, Silicon Valley, very high ESG score.

00:29:41.420 That means in kind of our terms, extremely woke.

00:29:45.160 There were a lot of reports on the different risk management people at SVB who were very focused

00:29:52.260 on diversity, very focused on equity and inclusion and all of the different activism sectors in

00:29:59.740 the left wing world. And, you know, I don't know if one has to do with the other, but I'm

00:30:05.160 curious to hear your assessment. I mean, were they too woke for their own good? Or are those

00:30:10.540 kind of two separate issues?

00:30:12.920 So I always hate the word woke, because I don't think that it always communicates, you know,

00:30:18.340 some of the deliberate and nefarious actions that are going on around things like ESG. I mean,

00:30:24.960 ESG is business social credit. It's a score, but it's not a well-defined score because it changes

00:30:32.280 based on the whim and the decisions and the needs of, you know, these group of elite and what it is

00:30:38.860 that they want to have benefit them by the day. And that's very, very scary. And so they're using

00:30:45.340 mostly like the World Economic Forum, but also the global leaders that are kind of in with the WEF.

00:30:50.440 Yeah, I mean, all of the political and business elite that are tied into, you know, the UN,

00:30:58.720 the WEF, and a number of organizations around the world, and this is infiltrated. And it's really kind

00:31:05.540 of crazy, because if you go into organizations who are pushing ESG, a lot of times the CEO doesn't know

00:31:12.500 what it means. I met somebody who was in charge of ESG for a publicly traded company who'd never even

00:31:18.060 heard of the World Economic Forum. So they don't even know where these ideas are coming from,

00:31:24.220 but yet it's sort of, you know, basically creating a distraction. And I think that's the message that

00:31:29.420 we want to take away here. It's not necessarily, you know, a cultural war other than we don't want

00:31:36.900 people who are in a small group of people coming in and using business and using your own investment

00:31:44.260 funds to be able to push their political agenda. Businesses work for certain reasons, and one of

00:31:51.540 them is their laser focus on creating shareholder value. And when you push things like ESG and all of

00:31:59.000 the other alphabet soup that's, you know, related to it, and you have the bank that's focused on trying

00:32:05.000 to please these other masters, it does take the eye off the ball. So I think it's a very valid

00:32:11.060 question is whether it's at the SEC level, whether it's at the Fed, whether it's within the banks,

00:32:18.580 all of these pushes for climate justice and, you know, DEI and all of these things that aren't

00:32:24.880 related to running a business, what kind of impact are they having on really important businesses that

00:32:32.660 are fundamental, you know, to the economy running smoothly? And I think that that is an important

00:32:39.860 takeaway and one that we should not push to the side that businesses need to be focused on their

00:32:47.300 shareholders. Their directors need to be doing a fiduciary duty, making sure that the shareholders

00:32:52.700 are being taken care of. And within the market mechanisms, other things sort themselves out.

00:32:58.260 And if we start distracting them, you know, not only are their evil ideas being infiltrated,

00:33:03.360 but it really can bring down really important systemic businesses that will completely obliterate

00:33:12.080 the economy. Now, you can make the argument that that's intentional. I'll leave that up to you. But

00:33:17.480 whether it's intentional or incompetence, the outcome is still bad. And so we still need to stand up

00:33:24.600 and say enough's enough. We can't have more of this infiltrating the business space.

00:33:29.700 Yep. And people are concerned about this. And I think rightly so, not just in the banking industry,

00:33:34.880 not just when it comes to economic issues, but really every industry. People are worried about

00:33:39.380 this, you know, as you mentioned, alphabet soup, all of the different, you know, acronyms that are

00:33:44.880 a part of left-wing activism, distracting students in the education system. Is that why our reading levels

00:33:50.440 are so low and they are spending less time learning math and science and more time learning about so-called

00:33:56.900 gender equity or whatever it is? We're worried about that in the aviation industry. We're worried

00:34:02.900 about that in the medical industry, that actually these people who should just be focused on excellence,

00:34:08.500 should be focused on competence, should be focused on safety. I mean, there's only, there's a finite

00:34:13.600 number of hours in a day and especially in the workday. And so what are we sacrificing

00:34:18.680 in order to focus our efforts, our energy, our time, our excellence, our money on this left-wing

00:34:26.500 activism that we are actually told, oh, well, we can do both. We can focus on DEI and all of these

00:34:32.580 inclusion efforts and be competent. Well, I say prove it because actually what's being proven in all of

00:34:38.200 these different industries is the opposite. You're proving that taking time away from competence and

00:34:42.960 excellence and serving your customers and all of that stuff and focusing on activism is actually a

00:34:49.120 manifesting itself in a lot of chaos and a lot of failure and all of the different industries that

00:34:53.980 we just listed. And you mentioned, okay, either it's just incompetence, these, all these well-intentioned

00:34:59.800 people just really do want a more equitable and inclusive world. And I'm sure that's true of some of

00:35:03.920 them, or if it is a, you know, a purposeful decline and you're writing a book or you've already written

00:35:10.800 it. It comes out this summer about you will own nothing. Well, everything we're talking about,

00:35:15.600 especially in the last few minutes is a part of that. That is a slogan that we've heard from the

00:35:19.600 World Economic Forum. By 2030 or whenever it is, you will own nothing and be happy. And it's hard

00:35:26.400 for me to hear that motto and to see the decline of all of these once excellent industries, especially

00:35:32.120 in the United States, because of these left-wing efforts and not think, well, it seems purposeful to

00:35:38.280 me. It seems purposeful to me to put all of our trust, you know, out of the private sector and put

00:35:44.380 it into the government. And then the government has all the power in the world to quote unquote,

00:35:49.000 take care of us. So tell us how you see it. Tell us what this book is about and how some of what we're

00:35:53.600 talking about today has to do with that.

00:35:56.080 Yeah. So it's interesting. Financial world orders go in cycle. This idea that a new financial world

00:36:02.900 order is coming about sounds very conspiratorial until you look back in history. We have been

00:36:09.120 the world's, you know, reserve currency and kind of the center of the financial world for about 80

00:36:14.840 years. I know that we all think it's been since the beginning of time, but it hasn't. It was the

00:36:20.300 British before us. It was the Dutch before the British. If you go even further back, you know, 0.96

00:36:24.960 it was the Roman empire and these empires, financial empires always rise and they always fall

00:36:33.160 based on the same issues. And there are things like debasing the currency and the government

00:36:38.540 getting too big and taking on too much debt and they get desperate. So we know that that is happening

00:36:45.360 and we just don't know how long we have until things change. But the people who are smart and well

00:36:52.600 connected see this happening. And so they are, in my opinion, jockeying to come out on top based on

00:37:01.340 whatever reshuffling of the financial order is going to happen. And, you know, we see the events

00:37:06.900 that happened over the last few days and there's no doubt that that is tied in to late stage financial

00:37:14.160 empire stuff. And as we saw the elite jockeying to make sure that they're taken care of. So there are

00:37:21.880 all of these different things that are happening at once, you know, whether you have the push for

00:37:27.500 social credit at the individual level or the business level through ESG, you know, the Fed

00:37:33.500 exploring this central bank, digital currency, big entities, corporations competing with you to buy

00:37:42.040 single family homes, big wealthy people buying up land and water rights, technology.

00:37:49.440 BlackRock, Vanguard, probably others that I haven't even heard of.

00:37:54.800 Yeah. I mean, on the land and water rights, you know, Harvard University, that what I call the

00:37:59.620 hedge fund was masquerading as a university or with a university attached. You know, they are going out

00:38:06.600 and they're doing all these things that are creating impediments to ownership. And ownership is what

00:38:14.640 creates wealth. You know, it's one thing to make a living. But when you put that money to work for

00:38:19.840 you, when you build assets that retain value and have the opportunity perhaps to even grow in value,

00:38:26.480 that's what locks in your wealth. And at every turn, every sort of aspect of the financial elite,

00:38:34.680 whether it be the government and the Fed, whether it's these big global NGOs and big businesses and

00:38:42.420 big tech, you know, they're all working to secure more of that for themselves. And in the process,

00:38:49.400 leave you owning nothing. So what the book will do is explain everything that's going on,

00:38:55.900 you know, kind of like we've been doing here, very easy to understand, broken down by topic.

00:39:00.920 And the message isn't for you to panic. It's to give you the tools to fight back. I want you to

00:39:07.600 own everything. I want you to get in to hard assets and to be figuring out ways that you can

00:39:14.600 shift your financial lifestyle so that you are creating that opportunity to own things. Because

00:39:21.000 if you don't have that ownership, you will not be able to pursue that that American dream. And frankly,

00:39:27.580 if you own nothing, they own you. And we cannot have that every sort of, you know, ism, you know, 0.97

00:39:34.540 Marxism, communism, you know, any bad sort of central planning part of the spectrum. They don't

00:39:39.840 believe in property rights, because you owning something gives you power and gives you that

00:39:45.640 opportunity to create wealth and independence and freedom. And they don't want that. And unfortunately,

00:39:50.900 we're moving in that direction. So we need to band together and fight and preserve that American dream

00:39:56.360 for everybody. And nowadays, just with how the economy is, you don't just fall into ownership.

00:40:02.600 It takes a lot more strategy and a lot more foresight and a lot more thought than it did before,

00:40:07.740 which is why people like you and your book are so important. Because I mean, not all of us are going

00:40:12.060 to kind of have those natural skills and that natural knowledge of how all of this works. How do we

00:40:16.740 make sure that we invest in those hard assets? How do we make sure that we are owning? There was a time

00:40:21.980 maybe in our parents or even grandparents' generation when ownership was just kind of the

00:40:25.900 default. That was what you were able to do pretty early on in life. If you got yourself a good job,

00:40:31.840 you can own a house and, you know, own it for 30 years. Now, that's just a lot tougher. Even young

00:40:36.800 people who are making pretty good money in their first job, they don't feel like they can afford a

00:40:42.960 mortgage. They don't feel like they can afford a house. And so they're renting everything.

00:40:46.960 Yeah. If I can mention to you, so this is one of the things we dig into the book that was so

00:40:52.480 fascinating to me is that millennials, you know, in that sort of 35 to 45 age range actually make 0.95

00:41:00.280 more money on an inflation-injusted basis. So accounting for inflation than Gen X did or the 0.96

00:41:06.380 boomers did. I believe that. So you have more opportunity in terms of earning power,

00:41:12.240 but so much less wealth, including, like you said, in terms of real estate. And that has to do with the

00:41:18.400 way that the Fed has distorted the market. They brought down the interest rates. They've made the

00:41:23.960 capital more cheap, you know, and available, but it's inflated the cost of those assets so much.

00:41:29.760 So, you know, our parents and grandparents, when they went to buy a house, maybe their mortgage rate

00:41:34.940 was really high, but that house wasn't affordable. And that dynamic has completely flipped.

00:41:40.400 And now it has not only favoring the wealthy and well-connected, but in within the last 12 years,

00:41:47.080 you now have corporations who are coming in to compete, to rent you the American dream.

00:41:52.700 And we do not want to rent the American dream. We want to own the American dream.

00:41:56.220 I know that you talk about individual changes that we can be making in our lives to kind of combat

00:42:12.000 that. But I mean, is there any hope for top-down change when it comes to that? I mean, it just seems

00:42:17.940 like such a huge problem. I mean, how do we really compete against the power of the Fed?

00:42:22.580 To me, it's probably the fault of both Republicans and Democrats when it comes to this kind of

00:42:27.580 policy. And so, I mean, is there any hope that things can change? They can go back to a time

00:42:34.600 when it was, you know, if you're making $100,000 a year, you can afford a pretty good house and be

00:42:39.920 comfortable with your family or not really?

00:42:43.040 So I would say there are two answers to that. I mean, there absolutely is a trajectory and a path

00:42:48.440 here. Do I think that there are politicians who have the wherewithal, the backbone to come in and

00:42:58.160 do what's necessary? It's really tough. Have not seen it yet. So, you know, that's really going to

00:43:04.420 take some major fortitude. And unfortunately, politicians tend to be very reactive, as we've

00:43:10.140 seen in the events over the last few days. You could have prevented this, but no, you've chosen to act

00:43:15.140 once there was panic. And unfortunately, that's the way that, you know, things go. But are there

00:43:20.740 things that you can do individually to change your lifestyle, to put yourself in a better position,

00:43:27.480 and whether it's owning some precious metals, or maybe looking to own a smaller, you know, home in

00:43:35.040 a location that, you know, isn't your first location choice, but a second location choice,

00:43:40.320 there are choices that you can make to make sure that you are insulated so that when, you know,

00:43:46.960 whenever this completely becomes unraveled, and there is a financial, you know, change over,

00:43:53.480 as again, has been done in history before, you know, Bretton Woods for the United States. But,

00:43:58.960 you know, before that, with the British and the Dutch, this is not a conspiracy theory. This is very

00:44:03.100 well documented throughout history, that when these changes happen, that you're putting yourself in a

00:44:09.680 good position. You know, one of the data points that I've been pointing to is central banks over

00:44:15.140 the last year bought a record amount of gold, 1,136 tons, which the first time they sort of kept

00:44:24.520 track of this was 1950. It was the largest year since then. So, you know, if central banks think that

00:44:31.940 that's something that they need to do to kind of support their financial foundation, it may or may not

00:44:37.580 be right for you. But it certainly is an interesting and compelling data point. So it's, you know, all

00:44:42.600 of those kinds of things that if you're not talking about finances, and you don't want to kind of deal

00:44:47.640 with it, I get it. But at some point, you're going to need to take control of your financial future to

00:44:54.840 create that American dream for yourself, and for your family. And it can be a scary thing. And so that's

00:45:01.360 why I want to be here and be a partner and help, you know, kind of demystify this and make it easy

00:45:07.040 for people. Because, you know, as an American, we still people coming here from every part of the

00:45:11.440 globe, trying to pursue that American dream, you know, we need to preserve that opportunity.

00:45:17.400 Because it's something that's really special, you know, in terms of the history of the world.

00:45:22.020 Well, Carol, thank you so much. Thanks for breaking that all down. Honestly, I feel better after hearing

00:45:26.340 you explain it. There are still some scary things in the world. But definitely hearing you reasonably kind

00:45:31.540 of talk through what this actually means, and that there are steps that we can take in our own

00:45:35.760 lives to protect ourselves and to protect our family is a really good reminder. So thank you

00:45:40.960 so much. Again, your book, You Will Own Nothing. It'll be out this July. It's available for pre-order

00:45:45.880 now, though, right? It is. It is. And in fact, if you go to carolroth.com slash nothing, we're

00:45:51.900 actually gonna be doing some really cool pre-order bonuses. So you can you can go right now and pre-order

00:45:56.760 it. But if you want to get a bonus, which I always like to get a little something extra, you want to own

00:46:00.440 something, you know, go to carolroth.com slash nothing, leave your email, and then I'll get

00:46:05.400 back to you. And you know, when we have the bonuses up, which I think should be really soon. But I

00:46:09.760 think to Ali, to take away what you were saying, it is, you know, basically, you want to pray for

00:46:18.520 good outcomes, you want to pray that we're going to have that calmness, but you also want to prepare

00:46:22.800 for chaos. So you know, you want to hope for the best, but prepare for the worst. It's not about

00:46:28.340 panicking. It's just about preparation. So hopefully, if you move through it that way,

00:46:33.120 that will give you some comfort. And also, you know, anybody in your audience who wants to reach

00:46:37.520 out for me and need reach out to me and need some reassurance. I'm very accessible as well.

00:46:42.360 Pray for calm, prepare for chaos. I like that. That's really good. And a good note to end on. And

00:46:47.400 yes, we'll put the link to that carolroth.com slash nothing, correct? Correct. And we'll put that link

00:46:54.140 in the description and everyone pre-order your book, follow you on Twitter and all that good stuff.

00:46:58.340 Thank you so much, Carol, for taking the time to talk to us.

00:47:01.420 Thanks for making this platform available. I appreciate it.

00:47:14.960 Okay, now for a fun little segment on the Oscars. I don't know if you knew, but the Oscars

00:47:22.020 happened last night. And I did not watch any of it. But per usual, I looked at some of the outfits,

00:47:29.480 some of the dresses, garb on social media, and I like to assess. Now, I don't typically know the

00:47:37.940 names of a lot of these actresses and actors. And so I'm going to have producer Brie come on the mic,

00:47:45.040 and she's probably going to have to explain who these people are. And I also like to hear her

00:47:49.440 opinions about this too. And Dylan also, if he would like to share his opinions about the attire

00:47:55.280 at the Oscars. All right, let's go ahead and pull up the first one. I always make up the scoring

00:48:02.880 metrics as I go. We'll do 10 being the worst thing that I have ever laid eyes on. No, no. Let's do

00:48:12.180 the opposite. Let's let 10 be beautiful, gorgeous, awesome, handsome, brilliant. Let's let one be the

00:48:20.380 worst thing I've ever laid my eyes on. All right, let's see. Okay, who's this, Brie?

00:48:26.820 So this is Zoe Saldana. She's in Guardians of the Galaxy. Okay, tell me why we don't have a red 0.80

00:48:33.680 carpet. Why do we have a beige carpet? Is this new? I did look that up. They decided to do that

00:48:39.140 this year, and there was not a reason. And they also said it will probably not even be permanent.

00:48:45.200 They just wanted to do it this year. All right, beige carpet doesn't really have the same ring to it.

00:48:51.040 Now, here's the question. Did the celebrities know beforehand that the carpet was going to

00:48:56.800 be beige and not red? Do you know, Brie? I don't know that, actually, but that's a good question.

00:49:01.900 It's a good question. Because she matches. She matches. Yes, exactly. So she kind of

00:49:07.820 runs into the carpet because her dress is the same color. Well, she is very beautiful.

00:49:15.620 She is maybe one of the few people that can even pull off this color because it's really pretty with

00:49:20.680 her skin tone. I don't really like what looks to be like a bra kind of coming out of the top of her 1.00

00:49:27.800 dress. It looks like it should be strapless, but it's not. So I'm a little confused about that. It's

00:49:35.140 also kind of lingerie, kind of not. But the shape is beautiful. I don't know. What do you think?

00:49:41.980 I think it looks like there was supposed to be a dress on top of it. Like that's the under that's

00:49:48.840 the underdress. Yes. Yeah, it does kind of look like that. It looks like a slip or something.

00:49:54.520 Okay. Honestly, I'm going to go with like a four because this beautiful person could have worn

00:49:59.900 something that was way better. Yeah. Okay. Next up is. Okay. I'm going to guess these people's names.

00:50:10.300 I have never seen this person. This is also matches the carpet. Her name is. Good luck with this one. 0.68

00:50:21.440 Lauren Marino. And she is in a movie called Second Guessing.

00:50:29.900 That's what the movie is called. Second Guessing. Sure. What's her name? I have never seen this

00:50:35.580 person. Believe it or not, you didn't get guess this. It's Rooney Mara. Rooney Mara. That was next.

00:50:43.600 This is just ugly. I mean, it's hard to pull off. As I've said before, it's hard to pull off an

00:50:48.700 empire waist unless you are pregnant. Last time I said that you were like, oh, this person is pregnant. 1.00

00:50:53.640 So I don't think this person is though. The off the shoulder empire waist cinched at the bottom.

00:51:01.100 It looks like it's like tied at the bottom to where it's a little ploofy.

00:51:05.600 They forgot to cut it. So they had to tie it at the bottom.

00:51:08.200 They forgot to cut it or she had it tied up so she could go to the bathroom and she forgot to let it 1.00

00:51:13.460 go. Yeah.

00:51:14.220 She also looks very sad and I don't like her necklace. And yeah, it matches the carpet perfectly.

00:51:23.320 And so I guess all the designers, they didn't know about that. Very, very, I think, unfortunate

00:51:30.140 dress. It looks like an unfortunate bridesmaid's dress. So yeah, I'm probably going to go with a two

00:51:38.000 on this one. Also, the off the shoulder look is almost always a little matronly for this young gal. 1.00

00:51:43.020 What do you think? Agreed. I'd go with a two also.

00:51:45.980 Okay. Next up.

00:51:49.260 Ooh, love the pop of color. Okay. So this obviously contrast. This is purple.

00:51:56.860 Yep.

00:51:58.580 But I don't like it. I'm just not like a poofy gal myself. This also from here looks like chiffon, 1.00

00:52:07.160 which is a choice. And the sleeves are really big. Beautiful person. Who is this?

00:52:15.920 This is Angela Bassett.

00:52:18.060 Oh, I've heard that name. Haven't I? What is, what was she in for?

00:52:21.340 Well, this, she was nominated for being in Black Panther this year.

00:52:24.860 Oh, okay. The shape of the dress is pretty minus the top. So I'm going to go with probably

00:52:34.920 a four. It's very much not my style. It's very 1980s. I'm going to go with a four.

00:52:42.300 What if I told you, I think this is the case. Those are not sleeves. Those are like

00:52:47.760 the top of her dress. And yeah, her sleeves, her like arms are bare. So it's just covering

00:52:54.100 her. Let me see. Let me see again. Um, but it looks like sleeves. It does in this photo.

00:53:02.280 It looks like sleeves. It could be, but I'm pretty sure it's not. I think that it would

00:53:05.440 look better minus the bow. I don't like the bow at the bottom. And if it had been strapless

00:53:11.320 or if it had been like a different top, I think I would like it better. Also, I think I would

00:53:16.580 have liked it because it's so much in the sleeves. I think I would have put her hair up 0.98

00:53:21.260 probably. Um, stylist Allie. Yeah. Stylist Allie. Um, probably would have probably I'm going to give

00:53:30.500 a four, even though she is very beautiful and it's a beautiful color on her. You sort of ruined

00:53:35.940 this one for me. I liked it. And now I'm not so sure. Sorry, Pri changed your mind. Okay. Next one.

00:53:42.500 Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. All of these people. It's so funny that they chose this year

00:53:50.040 to wear beige. Um, no, this is fugly. I mean, this is just awful. Um, awful, awful. No, there's

00:53:59.920 nothing. There's nothing that I like about this. I like the shoes. I would probably wear the shoes

00:54:05.120 depending on what the heel looks like. I can't really tell. So, okay. So I'm forgetting that there

00:54:09.840 are people listening and not watching on YouTube, but okay. So this, how would I even describe this?

00:54:15.440 So this is this, who is this? This is Florence Pugh. Oh, okay. I know that, uh, this is from

00:54:22.480 that one movie that also has Harry Styles in it and was directed by Olivia Wilde. And there was some

00:54:29.200 drama there, but who, what, what's the movie? Don't worry, darling. Don't worry, darling. Okay.

00:54:35.600 Um, she should be worried. She should be worried about this dress. Okay. So it is like a mini black

00:54:41.540 dress that barely covers the crotchal region. And then, but it's, that's only like the bottom part. 0.86

00:54:48.680 The top part is, I don't even know how to describe something that covers the breast area and it's

00:54:56.620 beige and then huge goes out again, like empire waist, but opens up in a triangle in the front.

00:55:02.740 And then her off the shoulder sleeves are like as big as Saturn and off the shoulder sleeves. I mean, 0.95

00:55:09.040 it's like down to her elbow. So it's very bizarre. Again, a very, very beautiful woman, but this dress

00:55:16.200 would do zero people any favors whatsoever. That's my thought on it. Bree. I want you to look at the

00:55:23.980 hair. I can't really see it. I need glasses. Yeah. We would have to zoom in. Basically it's like an

00:55:31.260 extension and she's draped it over her head to look like bangs. Those aren't bangs. That's like 0.99

00:55:39.080 the back of her hair. Yeah. That's the back of her hair. It's a, it's a ponytail that is like,

00:55:46.140 okay. So it's a ponytail going forward like this, a ponytail going forward, but until it reaches for

00:55:53.260 bangs. Yeah. Okay. It's a look again, another decision. Um, but obviously, okay. So obviously

00:56:00.900 she's going for quirky, like she's going for bizarre. That's what I always ask myself to people

00:56:06.920 who wear things like this. Are they going for beautiful? They think it's objectively beautiful.

00:56:10.240 Are they going for quirky? If you're going for quirky girl, it's quirky and it's quirky. You still

00:56:16.800 look beautiful, but it's a little weird. That's fine. These remember most of these people were,

00:56:21.220 were theater kids growing up. And so they've got some dimensions to their personality. Um, okay.

00:56:28.820 Do we have another one? Beautiful, beautiful. I've, I think that she is like very beautiful and unique

00:56:35.720 looking. She looks gorgeous. Her leg looks great. Her shoe looks great. Um, I, again, I would do

00:56:43.040 without, so this is Kara. How do you, how do you say her last name? Delevingne. Delevingne. Um,

00:56:50.360 she's a model and I guess she acted in something too. She does. I don't, I think she was just there

00:56:56.180 this year. Um, I think this is a beautiful dress. I don't love the thing on the shoulder personally,

00:57:02.240 but that's just cause I'm a simple gal, but I think that she did. This is what I'm talking about

00:57:07.640 with the one that we saw. Angela Bissette. Is that her name? Um, who had the like puffy sleeves. I

00:57:14.960 feel like her hair should have been like this. I like Kara's hair like this. I think this is a

00:57:18.760 great color on her. Um, she is someone who is like quirky and wears weird stuff. Typically. I think 0.54

00:57:25.880 that this is very Oscars. Also, she definitely benefited from not having a red carpet because this deep

00:57:31.440 red probably wouldn't have looked good. So I forgot to write the last one. The last one. Oh,

00:57:36.440 Florence. Sorry. That's a zero. This one.

00:57:42.560 I would say like eight and a half, eight and a half, nine. I really like it on her. What do you

00:57:48.940 think? Yeah, this was one of my favorites. That's why I included it. I would say nine,

00:57:54.120 nine. Love it. I even love the shoulder. I think it's just different. Like a statement. It's great.

00:57:58.880 Yeah. All right. You can weigh in people. Let me know what you think about these outfits.

00:58:03.220 Um, all right. That's all we've got for today. We'll see you back here tomorrow.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 13, 2023

Ep 769 ｜ What REALLY Happened with Silicon Valley Bank & Why It Matters ｜ Guest： Carol Roth

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