Ep 772 ｜ Why Dylan Mulvaney Made Me Cry
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Dylan Mulvaney performed a variety show this week celebrating a full year of transitioning from a man to what he calls a girl. We will analyze that, and then I have an earnest and sincere plea for Dylan. YouTuber Shane Dawson is chronicling his journey with unethically using a surrogate to make children. He s got a really disturbing history too that makes this whole situation even worse. All of this and more on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by GoodRanchers.
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Christians in Arizona and elsewhere are being explicitly discriminated against for their faith,
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but I think we've actually got good reason to be hopeful. Dylan Mulvaney performed a variety
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show this week celebrating a full year of quote unquote transition from a man to what he calls
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a girl. We will analyze that. And then I have an earnest and sincere plea for Dylan.
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And YouTuber Shane Dawson is chronicling his journey with unethically using a surrogate to
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make children. He's got a really disturbing history, too, that makes this whole situation
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even worse. All of this and more on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by our
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friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie for a discount. That's GoodRanchers.com.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. If you're watching this on YouTube, yes, I am
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draped in my blanket today. I usually just have my blanket over my legs, but it is so cold. It is so
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cold in this studio. And I usually wear a long sleeve shirt or a jacket for this reason. Today,
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I forgot because it's actually kind of warm outside. I forget that I need to dress for an
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icy tundra when I am recording this podcast. But speaking of studios, again, just another
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announcement. Next week, we will be in our new studio. A lot of you, for some reason, thought
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that this was our new studio when I posted on Instagram some pictures yesterday. I guess you
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haven't been tuning in on YouTube, but no, this has been our temporary set as that new set has been
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being built. This one has been a great temporary set. That one, though, I mean, this is not even,
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it's not even in the same realm. I'm so excited for you to see it. Monday's episode is going to be
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fun. We're going to have a giveaway with some new merch that we have and also some merch, some
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products from our favorite sponsors. And then also, I have a fun announcement for you guys, in addition
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to the studio set reveal. So it's been about five years of Relatable. It's just time for a refresh,
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a refresh of the music, too. I know some of you guys are sad about that, but that's okay. That's
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okay. It's time. There's going to be new Relatable font, new Relatable brands, and it's just going to
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be, it's going to be really fun. And the next week, we've got some good guests coming up in the next
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couple weeks for our new set. All right, let's get into what we are discussing today. The first
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thing I want to talk about is something that is going viral, of course, on social media. And I
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understand that a lot of you are tired of hearing about this person. And I'll explain why I think
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it's actually important to talk about him. And that is Dylan Mulvaney. We won't spend all of our time
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on this particular topic. And, you know, part of it is also that he probably likes to be in the news,
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and he likes a lot of attention. And so why are we giving him airtime? And I totally understand that.
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But I do think that Dylan Mulvaney, if you don't know who that is, he is the TikTok star who documented
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the so-called days of girlhood. Now, this is a grown man, okay? This is a grown man who looks
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like a grown man. And he is saying that he is transitioning into not just a woman, but a girl.
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And so for the first year of his transition, he said that it was the days of girlhood. So he would
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post these videos on TikTok where he talked about being a girl. And some of them were very disturbing.
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Some of them were just kind of nondescript, or they weren't really worth talking about. But
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he clearly demonstrates what he thinks it means to be feminine, or what he thinks it means to be a
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girl. And some of the things that he's talked about is, oh, being so scared of bugs. And there
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was a video where he says that we need to normalize girls having bulges, yep, in tight leather shorts.
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And he basically dons this character of being a ditz, of being a floocy, of being this kind of
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airheaded child. I mean, he dresses like a young girl. And he is celebrated by female organizations,
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by corporations for doing this, for displaying what honestly is a very offensive, very condescending,
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very patronizing, very infantilizing depiction of what it means to be a girl or to be a woman.
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He has gotten millions of dollars in sponsorships, millions and millions of followers. He is
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influencing young people, young girls in particular, to imagine that this is what it
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means to be feminine. That to be a girl isn't really anything substantive. It isn't anything
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biological. It isn't anything real. It's something that you can take on and put off.
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You can become a girl just by wearing lipstick, by growing out your hair. It doesn't matter
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if you have male genitalia. It doesn't matter if you have male DNA. It doesn't matter if you
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have a male body. It doesn't matter if you have a five o'clock shadow. It doesn't matter if you have
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every indication of being a male. You can still be a woman because it is something as superficial as
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wearing a skirt. That apparently is where progressivism has taken us. It's so progressive
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that we have completely forgotten one of the most fundamental tenets of reality, actually the
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foundation of all of human existence. And that is that there is male and there is female and there
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are innate differences. All of us exist because of the innate differences between male and female.
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And so this person is a representation of the denial of reality and the celebration and the
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glorification of the denial of reality. This person is a manifestation of Romans 1. We are exchanging
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the truth of God for a lie. We are diluting our minds because of sin, because of an exchange
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of the God of Scripture for the God of self. And when it becomes lucrative to do that, I think that
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that's a really good symbol, a really good indication of just how far our culture has gone.
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And Dylan celebrated what has now been 365 days of transition. During this transition, he hasn't just
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socially transitioned, trying to go by she, her pronouns, which of course I will not honor because
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I believe that Dylan is made purposely in the image of God as a male. And because I'd rather honor God
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than affirm his feelings, I am going to use the pronouns that correspond to his purposely created
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biology. But he has also tried to physically transition. And so he's gone through facial feminization
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surgery. And that entails, you know, trying to shave down the brow ridge, trying to make the jaw less
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pronounced, the eyebrows a little bit raised up, the lips a little bit fuller, probably shaving down
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the Adam's apple, all things that you don't have to do if you are a female, by the way. So he is influencing
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millions and millions of young people to think that this is normal, to think that this is how you
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get affirmation. This is how you become liked. This is how you become a celebrity by fundamentally denying
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who you are, hating how God made you and trying and ultimately failing to change it. And so he celebrated
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now what has been a year of transition. He performed this one night only variety show called Day 365 Live
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to celebrate his 365th Day of Girlhood at the Rainbow Room in New York. The event was hosted by Dylan
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and featured many other quote unquote queer icons and Broadway performers. You'll remember that Dylan
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Mulvaney is or was a Broadway performer, very, very talented, just a beautiful voice, a very talented actor.
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Take from that what you will. And then has now attempted to transition into a girl, into a woman.
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The 80 minute cabaret began with a prerecorded clip of Rachel Brosnahan, who is the marvelous Mrs.
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Maisel comforting Mulvaney in her dressing room, or I guess this is a quote from Variety. Is it her
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dressing room? I don't know if it's referring to Rachel, who was her or Mulvaney, who would actually be
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his. From there, Mulvaney eagerly entered from the balcony at the back of the Rainbow Room and sang
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a series of Kate Bush covers, which we'll play you a little bit of that. And then at one point in the
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show, at one point in the show, he plays a compilation video of right-wing commentators talking
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about him in a way that he deems hateful. And I will just say, like, Relatable was snubbed.
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We were snubbed. We were excluded from this montage. He only included Daily Wire hosts and
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the things that they have said about him. Some of the things were harsher than others, but every
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single thing that was said by each of the hosts, whether it was Candace or Matt Walsh or Ben or
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Michael, they were all true. They were all 100% true. And honestly, I was watching that and I was like,
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you know, as much as I honestly, as much as I disagree with him and really hate what he's
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doing and how he's influencing people, like, I don't want him to, you know, constantly be
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sad or depressed or whatever because of what other people are saying. What I do hope is that
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some of the true things that they are saying actually like plant a seed of reality in his mind
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that he's actually influenced and impacted even in some small way by some of the very true things
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that he's saying. But he uses this as a way to kind of lead into the musical portion of this
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performance. It's very odd. Like, it's obviously very self-serving. This is all about self-worship
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and self-idolatry, right? I mean, we talked about this yesterday. When you elevate autonomy and
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authenticity above submission to truth, which ultimately is submission to Christ,
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then authenticity and autonomy become excuses to sin. Oh, I'm just being myself. So I'm going
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to identify however I want to identify, however I feel on the inside. Autonomy. Oh, well, I have
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bodily autonomy. So I'm even going to sacrifice the life of my child on the altar of autonomy.
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Autonomy and authenticity can be very good things, but when they're not submitted to Christ,
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then they become idols that lead us to do very destructive things. And that's what we're
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seeing here is that he has sacrificed reality, truth, his own body, his true identity on the
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altar of autonomy, on the altar of the God of self. And so I'm going to play you a clip. It's a
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little long, but I really want to respond to it and I want to respond to it sincerely. So like,
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it's cringe. Yes, it's cringe because he's acting and it's all about him and turns into this musical
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and it's, it's just, it's just cringe in a lot of ways, but like, listen till the end. And I do
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want to sincerely respond to what he says there. Here it is. Truthfully, I don't know what their goal
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is, but I do know how they make me feel now that I've built up a thicker skin.
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It doesn't hurt me. Do you want to feel how it feels? Do you want to know, know that it doesn't hurt me?
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Do you want to hear about the deal I'm making? My response going forward, it's not over explaining
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myself. It's not pleading. It's, um, it's not expecting kindness from someone who has no kindness
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to give. My response is in the next joyous video that I make. That's my response.
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And if I only could, I'd make a deal with God. And I'd get him to swap our places.
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Can we pause there? I'm going to say something that might make people feel a little bit uncomfortable.
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Um, I'm trying really hard to maintain a relationship with God. And I don't think that he made a mistake
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with me. Um, and that maybe one day I will actually be grateful for being trans that this isn't some
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curse, but it's just a different path to the same destination. All right. Let me tell you why
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that makes me want to cry. And the part that I actually teared up at was not that last part.
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It was actually when he hit like a very beautiful low note when he was saying the reason that that
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makes me cry is because estrogen has ruined his beautiful tenor male voice. And maybe that seems
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like a superficial thing to be sad about, but it actually has to do with the last thing he said is
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that, wow, God made this man so talented, so incredibly talented. Wow. He had a beautiful
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voice. Have you ever seen videos of him singing on Broadway in the book of Mormon, or I think he was
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in spring awakening. I don't know some other shows. He is incredibly talented, a beautiful booming
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Broadway male voice. It is extremely easy to see why he got as successful and as famous as he did.
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And now through hormones and through these surgeries, he has actually ruined his beautiful
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voice. He wants to be a soprano. Dylan, you'll never be a soprano. Like you'll never have the
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same voice that you did when you were living out as male, because guess what? That is how God made you.
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That's how God made you. Yes, he did make you. He made you purposely and wonderfully in your mother's
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womb. That's what Psalm 139 tells us. And he did not make a mistake. He absolutely didn't make a
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mistake. You are 100% right about that. But the mistake that he did not make was in making you
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a male. And right now you are living in active rebellion to his creation. You are living in
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active rebellion to how God made you. Look, God is not endorsing or affirming the confusion or the
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delusion that you say that you have in your mind. Like good and evil exists. God and Satan exists.
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And Satan is the author of confusion. God is not. God is the author, the source, the bringer of peace.
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And what he wants is for you to have peace with your body, to have peace with the biology that he gave
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you that will not happen through surgery, that will not happen through hormones because you are simply
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not female. You will never be a woman. You will never be a girl. I know that there are people around
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the world who are applauding you, who are telling you that they're celebrating your femininity,
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celebrating your femaleness. But Dylan, at the end of the day, God made you a man. And that is a good
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thing. You have value. You have innate worth as an image bearer of God. And I want that to be where
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your identity lies. I want you to know that Christ died to save you, to make you new, that what people
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don't say, what I say, what anyone says, it doesn't ultimately matter. But not because you're actually
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a woman, but because your identity can be in something higher than that and not in this imaginary
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transition that you think is happening, but actually in the God who made you. It can be in Christ who died
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to save you, who died to save me. Like, do you, you're looking for satisfaction, Dylan. You're looking
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for love. You're looking for affirmation. You're looking for acceptance. You're not going to find it
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in this. It's going to feel good for a little while. I know it does. It feels good to be patted on the
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back. It feels good to get all of this money, to get this, these accolades. I understand that feels good.
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That will fade. Here today, gone tomorrow. But eternity is a really long time. Have you thought
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about that? Have you thought about what's going to happen when this life is over? Have you thought
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about the bigger picture here? Have you heard the gospel, Dylan? Like the real gospel that we are
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sinners, that we are all far from God, no matter how we identify, no matter what our sexual preferences
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are, every single one of us attracted to male, female, confused about gender, not confused about
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gender, we're all separated from God because God is holy and perfect and we are sinful. Therefore,
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we need a reconciliation to God. We need a bridge to God. We need to be brought to God. And that is why
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Jesus came. That's why God became flesh and dwelt among us, died a death that he did not have to die
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on the cross for our sake, a sacrifice that then paid for our sins. If by grace through faith, we trust
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in him for that. That's the good news that you're looking for. That's the love that you're trying and
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failing to find in all the wrong places. You will not find your identity, your satisfaction, the
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affirmation that you're truly seeking, the contentment that you long for, the peace that you are looking for
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outside of Christ, Dylan. And I will tell you, like, if you, and I pray by the grace of God, you do ever
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come to Christ, like, just like all of us, he's not going to leave you as you are. Like he will, by grace
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through the power of his Holy Spirit, seek to change your heart and to reconcile your mind with your body
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because he made it good. He made it good. He made your beautiful male voice good. He made your male
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body good. The first chapter of the first book of the Bible tells us that, Dylan. And I hope that you
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can have a relationship with God. You can only do that through Christ. And just know that Christ promises
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never to leave us as we are. And it is worth it. You're trying and failing to find joy where it just
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does not exist. And I pray you find it in the God who created you, in the Jesus who died to save you.
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I encourage you, read Ephesians 2, learn the gospel. Gosh, I pray that you do. I pray. I really do.
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I pray that you. That's what I want for Dylan. I mean, you know, we can laugh at all the ridiculous
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things that he says. We can cringe. It's cringeworthy. And we can talk about him being
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offensive. It is offensive. It's an offensive caricature of women. We can talk about how
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harmful his influence is. It is extremely harmful. And we can laugh and make fun and all that. You
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know, I think there's honestly a place for that. But at the end of the day, the best thing that can
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happen is for him to repent. That's what I want. And so that clip made me sad for a variety of
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reasons. But I just want I want him to know I want him to know there is a God who cares,
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who made him good. Yeah, I guess that's all I have to say on that. There's a there's a lot more
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that I could say about him. But that's my a lot of people have conveyed messages to Dylan. That's my
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sincere message. And that's my like deepest hope for for him. And I hope that we are all praying
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that honestly. And I hope that he has people in his life that are praying that too. That's the that's
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how we love, by the way. That's how we love. I know a lot of people say, well, loving people is using
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their preferred pronouns. Loving people is affirming their delusion. No, it's not. That's you thinking
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that you're more loving than God. You can't be more loving than God. First John for a God is love.
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Okay, God is love. And then Genesis 127, God made the male and female. So if you're disagreeing
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with Genesis 127, and you think that you are more loving than the God who in First John for a says
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that he is love. The Bible doesn't say you are love. So don't idolize yourself by thinking that
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you can be more compassionate than God by disagreeing with him. The most loving thing we can always do is
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agree with God, both in our lives and in how we speak to other people. And so I'm sorry, I'm not going
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to fall into that fake empathy trap that says in order to love someone, you have to affirm lies.
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I'm not more loving than God. I think the best thing I can do is probably agree with him.
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Okay, I've been wanting to talk about this strange story for a little while. You know,
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on this show, we talk a lot about the dangers of commercial surrogacy and the ethics behind sperm
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donation, egg donation, even IVF. Basically, I think in most of these situations, while I know
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there's a lot of people who listen to the show who watch the show who have used IVF. So please go back
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and listen to some previous episodes that I've done on IVF. And don't hear me say that I think that you
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are a bad mom or that your kids just aren't as just as precious and is made in the image of God as
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every other child. That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that in IVF and in all of
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these fertility treatments, very often the rights of children are denied. They're completely ignored,
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especially when you have IVF situations where you're making many embryos that you never intend
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to plant. There are risks to IVF, especially when it comes to the mother, but also when it comes
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to the child. And so these are risks that you are, that we are placing on children,
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you know, without their consent. All I'm saying is that these are things that we
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should think about. There are millions and millions of frozen embryos throughout the country that will
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stay frozen indefinitely. I mean, if we believe that life begins at conception, we have a problem
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with that. And life does begin at conception. It's not even just a belief, it's a scientific fact.
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Now, you might not believe that those lives that began at conception have any value,
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and you'll have to explain to me philosophically why you believe that, but it is life. And so we have
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all of these tiny human lives that are sitting on ice throughout the country. That's a consequence
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of IVF. IVF makes the fertility industry, big fertility, as many like to say, a lot of money. So does
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sperm donation. So does egg donation. Sperm donation is the purposeful abandonment of your children,
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and so is egg donation. You're sending your future children off with no intention to care for them.
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That's abandonment. All right. I believe it's 1 Timothy 5.8 says, not taking care of your family
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is worse than being an unbeliever. I mean, that's abandonment. That's not to say that there is no
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grace or redemption for those things, but it is absolutely sinful. And not to mention the repercussions
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that that has on a child who may never know who their mother or father is. That's an innate
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need for all of us. Even adopted kids, they have that primal wound of being taken away from their
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biological connections. And while adoption is beautiful and redemptive and adopted kids can
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have wonderful, wonderful relationships with their parents, there is still a drive in many adopted kids
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to know where they come from. Where did I get my traits from? Who are my ancestors? Who is my mom?
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What were the circumstances surrounding my conception, pregnancy, birth, all of that? It's just innate.
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We want to know from where we come. I honestly think that is a huge part of why God calls himself
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father, because even for the orphan, he ultimately is our source. He ultimately is our place of
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belonging. He ultimately is our home and our protection. And then there's the whole issue of
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commercialized surrogacy. And that is, I think, a heinous, heinous industry that basically is sex
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trafficking, where poor, very often poor women, low-income women are pressured or feel pressured
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to sell their bodies for money. That's not that different than prostitution. Technically, there's consent
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there. But what puts you in the kind of situation to where you are willing to sacrifice your body to
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get paid? And then again, even if there is consent, one, that doesn't make it moral. I don't believe
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in consent-based morality. Consent is one of the factors that you consider when you're considering
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whether something is right or wrong. But also, the child certainly doesn't consent. There are many,
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many issues and consequences, physical consequences, emotional and mental consequences that come from
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buying the eggs from one woman, if you're talking about two gay men, like we're about to talk about,
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buying the eggs from one woman and implanting them in the uterus of another woman, and then taking that
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child away immediately, both from his biological mother and from the woman who carried him for nine
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months, whose smell and feel and heartbeat he knows, whose touch he innately longs for,
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taking him away sooner than we take a puppy away from his mother, and then raising them without a
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mom. And then, of course, the same issue in a lot of ways comes up when you're talking about two women
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using sperm donation, IVF, and all of that. You are purposely taking a child away from his father.
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When it comes to two men, you are purposely taking a child away from his mother. And as we talked
00:25:49.460
about earlier this week, two men might be great dads, two women might be great moms, they can never
00:25:53.920
be a mom or a dad. And it's different than adoption, because rather than using the circumstances
00:25:59.560
that already exist to try to help the life that's been created, you're actually creating a life with
00:26:05.960
the purpose of taking them away from a mom or dad. And I'm sorry, but that is selfish. It's selfish,
00:26:10.600
that's unethical, that's immoral, that's wrong. It's actually evil. It's evil to purposely take a child
00:26:16.180
away from his mom or his dad. And to think that you can serve the same role as a woman or, I mean,
00:26:23.640
as a man, a mom or a dad, it's just, it's wrong. It's wrong. There will always be something missing,
00:26:30.020
even if those parents are great parents, which they absolutely can be. They still can't be a mom or a
00:26:34.520
dad. So that is part of what makes this story about Shane Dawson and his husband, his partner,
00:26:42.940
Ryland Adams. They are going through the surrogacy process. Now, Shane Dawson is a YouTube celebrity.
00:26:50.080
He's been around a long time. I think his fame is kind of waxed and waned over the years. But they're
00:26:55.580
trying to have a child together or maybe multiple children. And there are lots of things that are
00:26:59.740
disturbing about this. In addition to what I just explained, they've created 12 embryos in total.
00:27:04.160
They've joked about which ones will be born and which ones will be discarded. And in their
00:27:09.400
announcement video, they made jokes about cheaper by the dozen, you know, saying, Oh, we, you know,
00:27:18.640
we made 12 embryos cheaper by the dozen. Ha ha ha. They're laughing on video as they're talking about
00:27:24.380
this. They laughed about the fact that each of the babies that they created, the 12 embryos that they
00:27:29.340
created has a barcode. And, um, they're talking about having four boys and the others or girls.
00:27:37.400
And then Ryland says of the four boys, which one do we choose? So you see right there, like the ethical
00:27:43.220
issue. So you're choosing children. I mean, a lot of, a lot of IVF, and especially when it comes to
00:27:50.000
like surrogacy, we don't realize this, but there's a lot of eugenics that are involved there because the
00:27:55.640
embryos are tested. Oh, this one has some kind of special need. This one has a chromosomal disorder.
00:28:00.080
This one's a girl, this one's a boy. And the two men or two women can say, not all do this, but they
00:28:06.920
can say, Oh, well, we definitely don't want a special need. We definitely don't want a disability.
00:28:11.060
We definitely don't want a girl. We definitely don't want a boy. And they can choose to then kill
00:28:15.680
those embryos based on the trace that they want or don't want. I mean, do we not see like the issues
00:28:22.000
going on here, but we're just supposed to pretend like, Oh, love is love. Yay. Like your Instagram
00:28:26.600
posts. I see Christians liking these Instagram posts. And most people just to be honest, just
00:28:30.760
like haven't really thought about it. Oh, we do have a little video, a short video of this happening.
00:28:34.960
So here's their little YouTube video announcing all this. She actually had 35 eggs on this retrieval
00:28:42.940
cycle. And of those, we each have six that are, what do they call them? The embryos that are good to go
00:28:50.240
to pregnancy. So what do we do? How do we choose? Do we have a battle? Like, do we make the eggs like
00:28:58.560
fight? I'm curious though. I want to talk to our doctor and know like, okay, of the four boys,
00:29:04.340
which boy do we choose? You know, like, I don't like playing God. I don't either. No, I'm just saying
00:29:10.820
like, I wonder if there's like the biopsies or the lab results. Tell them which spin the wheel and
00:29:16.420
we'll put a barcode on each side. Okay. Like they're talking about people here. Like you get
00:29:22.800
that right. They're talking about people, people who do not ask to be created. He did not ask to
00:29:28.440
be then taken away from their biological mother, the egg donor, and then implanted in another stranger
00:29:32.700
and then taken away from both of those women to be raised by these people. Oh my goodness. Oh my
00:29:39.220
gosh. And so again, you see the eugenics in this and he says, I don't like playing God. You're
00:29:44.740
already playing God, Shane. You're already playing God. That's exactly what you're doing. You're
00:29:49.440
playing God by creating these children outside of the natural process. I don't like playing God and
00:29:55.680
yet you will. You're not going to implant all of those embryos, are you? You're not going to have
00:29:59.720
12 children. So you will be playing God. I don't like playing God. That's, I mean, that's like
00:30:04.840
Pontius Pilate trying to wash his hands after, uh, you know, after approving the crucifixion of Jesus
00:30:13.360
ain't going to work, ain't going to work. Doesn't fly. Um, there is a different video from March,
00:30:20.460
um, of last year. They talked about starting their baby making process. They joked about purchasing the
00:30:26.340
mother of their children. They said, we chose an egg donor. It was very strange to click purchase
00:30:30.100
on our child's mother purchase. We bought our mommy. So in humor, there's a lot, there's, there's a lot of
00:30:36.500
truth in humor there. And I wish that they were making a joke about it in order to make a point about how
00:30:40.680
unethical all of this is, but of course they're not. Um, so this is not the only disturbing part
00:30:45.780
of this though. The disturbing part of this is Shane's history and the things that he has said
00:30:50.760
specifically about children, very disturbing things about children. So when it comes to this process of
00:30:58.300
commercial surrogacy, buying eggs, renting wombs, there's no background check. Anyone can do it.
00:31:04.100
In adoption, you have to have a background check, right? You have to have a background check. And
00:31:11.240
even if you're going through a divorce and you have a biological child, okay, and you got a mom and a
00:31:17.040
dad in divorce court, still like the judge is looking at the different aspects. I'm not saying,
00:31:24.160
and we should get into all the intricacies and the problems of divorce court and like our justice
00:31:27.560
system when it comes to all of that. So I'm not pretending like this is a perfect process,
00:31:30.880
but judges are assessing in general, the character of each parent. They're looking at their background.
00:31:37.820
They're looking at their history and they are deciding the custody very often based on a number
00:31:44.760
of these factors. Even when that child is biologically either the mom or the dad,
00:31:48.920
that does not guarantee that that child gets to go with them. And yet when it comes to creating these
00:31:53.860
children through surrogacy, through egg and sperm donation, the people doing so don't go through a
00:31:59.300
background check, at least as far as I can tell. And the vast majority of these cases, anyone can do
00:32:04.260
it. Is that not an issue? And actually we already see in the adoption process, we talked about that
00:32:09.100
horrible story out of Georgia where the two men raped and trafficked their boys and they adopted
00:32:18.260
their kids from a special needs Christian adoption agency. So already like we see that there's just not
00:32:23.880
enough protection of children in our country. We absolutely know that, but especially when it comes to
00:32:29.120
big fertility, there's so much money and there's so much power in it and there's so much public
00:32:33.960
support for it because people are stupid that no one is even asking these questions. No one is even
00:32:42.140
asking, well, should Shane Dawson have a child? I mean, should someone who makes the comments that
00:32:50.180
I'm about to read have a child? And I'll just let you know, they're disturbing. So let's go through
00:32:53.960
some of them. In 2014, Shane, so he's a YouTube star, remember that. Shane was recording an episode
00:32:58.720
of his first podcast, Shane and Friends. It's now deleted, but this has been reported on several
00:33:04.080
times when he began telling a seemingly innocent story about an encounter with a six-year-old fan
00:33:09.220
and then a six-year-old, all right? And then he talks about in this episode, quote, he says,
00:33:15.740
she shows me her Instagram. First of all, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this,
00:33:20.020
Shane Dawson says, but she was kind of sexy. He is talking about a six-year-old, okay? This was in
00:33:27.060
2014. Then Shane attempted to defend pedophilia in this episode as a fetish. He says, having sex
00:33:32.600
with children or touching children is terrible and you should not do it, he responded. But here's my
00:33:36.400
thing. People have foot fetishes. People have fetishes about everything. So like, okay, just if we
00:33:42.300
just ended there, which unfortunately, like that's not the end of the history of his comments. Like,
00:33:46.660
would you say that this is a person who should be talking about creating a child?
00:33:53.040
And by the way, not this is, there's also an increased risk here because not all of these
00:33:57.700
embryos, I don't even know who fertilized these embryos. I'm guessing one of the guys fertilized
00:34:05.340
some of the embryos. One of the guys fertilized another embryo. Look, the non-biological parent in
00:34:10.800
any household, this is just statistically true. I'm not saying it's true in close to every case,
00:34:15.080
but statistically true is the biggest threat to a child's safety. It's just the truth.
00:34:22.460
And so you have an added risk here. You already have someone who has a history of making these
00:34:26.560
kind of comments. Then you have an added risk that he might be in the home with someone who
00:34:30.000
is not even biologically related to him. This is a problem. I'm concerned. He made an apology video
00:34:36.880
in 2018 saying he grew up and changed his content. And he says that he even plays the section of the
00:34:46.320
podcast in his apology in which he said that he, this is just disturbing. He says that he googled
00:34:51.340
images of a naked baby and jokes that he thought that it was sexy. All right. In 2020, a clip of Shane
00:34:59.000
resurfaced on Twitter that showed himself pretending to, again, disturbing, masturbate in front of a poster
00:35:05.860
of Willow Smith. She was 11 years old in this poster. Of course, a lot of people, including Willow
00:35:15.820
Smith's brother, Jaden Smith, said, like called him out, was like, I'm disgusted by you. Why are you
00:35:21.520
sexualizing my sister? And then there are some other clips going around. There is a clip where he said that
00:35:31.500
he was video chatting with a young teenager who was a fan of his. He kept telling her to twerk.
00:35:37.180
And after she finally twerked for the camera, he told her to show herself in another video,
00:35:42.580
probably from his YouTube channel years ago. He showed a series of photos featuring young girls
00:35:47.460
wearing some of his merch. And then he jokes. This is so disturbing. This is the guy that we're
00:35:51.640
talking about who is talking about having children. He joked in that video, I would rape all of you.
00:35:56.360
In an audio clip from Shane and Friends, this is from an Evie article, Evie magazine, he says,
00:36:03.640
if I had a child, which is the same as a dog to me, well, I guess when they're a baby, you don't want
00:36:09.300
to picture someone effing them. But he is talking about how apparently he is also maybe into bestiality.
00:36:16.260
That's something he's talked about multiple times. And then he, his co-host on the show actually
00:36:22.660
shared a news story of a man who raped, I can't even say, I can't even say, I can't even say.
00:36:30.300
It's disturbing. His co-host shared a story of terrible, terrible child sexual abuse. And Shane
00:36:36.760
laughed and said, that's amazing. And I'm not even going to go, I'm not even going to go through
00:36:41.160
the rest of the stuff. Basically, he says that he's joking about all of this, whether he's talking
00:36:47.800
about bestiality or whether he's talking about pedophilia. There are actually other things that
00:36:52.460
he has said over the years that aren't even included in this. And I'm not even going to get
00:36:55.680
into all the stuff that was included in our examples because it's so disturbing. But this person is now
00:37:00.540
joking about buying the mother of their children and trying to pick their, like, why don't we have
00:37:07.380
background checks? Like, why is this something that anyone's applauding? You don't have a right
00:37:12.600
to create children. You don't. You should not have a right. Like, shouldn't we have some laws
00:37:18.080
and restrictions? You know, most countries in Europe are heavily restrictive when it comes to
00:37:25.380
the fertility industry and certainly surrogacy. Like, people in America think, oh, if we were just
00:37:30.020
more like Europe. Look, Europe has a lot more common sense restrictions on some things than we do.
00:37:35.900
I mean, so does China. I mean, China is a dictatorship. And I, like, would never,
00:37:39.480
ever praise China. But there are some things that I'm like, that makes more sense than what
00:37:43.220
we in America do. Like, America is honestly one of the most liberal countries when it comes to this
00:37:48.640
stuff, when it comes to abortion, when it comes to transgenderism in the world. And then you wonder
00:37:52.940
why there's a conservative backlash. Yeah, because we have literally the craziest progressives in the
00:37:58.360
world in our freaking country. So, of course, there's going to be a backlash to it. There's going to be a
00:38:04.580
backlash to people like Shane Dawson being able to buy children. Yeah, I have a problem with this. We
00:38:11.360
should all have a problem with this. So, we got a lot of confusion in the world. A lot of things have
00:38:27.900
changed for the worse. But one thing that hasn't changed is that Christians are pushed to the
00:38:34.860
margins and are seen as the ones causing all of the problems. And this is relatively new in our
00:38:40.920
country, at least over the past few decades. But it is not new in the history of the church. It is not
00:38:46.140
true in the history of the world. I mean, Christians for a very long time have been blamed for the
00:38:51.800
world's problems or for a country's problems or for rebellion against tyrants like Nero, which,
00:38:58.720
by the way, Christians have been in rebellion to many tyrants throughout history. So, that's fair.
00:39:03.840
But very often unfairly, unjustly maligned and mistreated when really Christians are typically
00:39:11.660
the ones on the front lines of pushing back against the madness and the people who are mad,
00:39:16.120
the people who are crazy are very upset with that. That, of course, is what's happening in the
00:39:20.100
story that maybe you've heard about in Arizona. So, the Arizona School Board ends an agreement with
00:39:25.820
a Christian college, which is Arizona Christian University, Crete University, and because they do
00:39:35.260
not want ACU's student teachers to be placed in its schools for field experience, specifically because
00:39:41.600
they are Christian. So, this happened on February 23rd. The board agreed on a motion to dissolve the
00:39:46.680
partnership. The school board said this. The board's decision to discontinue its partnership
00:39:50.820
with the Arizona Christian University was based on the board's commitment to create a safe place
00:39:55.240
for our LGBTQ plus students. So, they're just coming out and saying it. It's because of their religious
00:39:59.980
beliefs. It's because they believe in what humans have believed for thousands and thousands and
00:40:03.980
thousands of years, that we are male and female. Staff and community, this includes not knowingly
00:40:09.880
entering into partnerships with any organization that explicitly discriminates against protected classes
00:40:13.900
covered by our non-discrimination policies. So, Christians, Christians, I highly doubt they would
00:40:19.680
be dissolving any kind of partnership with some kind of Muslim organization. School board member
00:40:23.940
Tamilia Valenzuela will put her picture up. Stable individual. If you're listening to this,
00:40:31.100
she wears cat ears, still on the regular. She was also in the school board meeting, she was wearing
00:40:39.700
these cat ears, but also in this picture. She says, well, she describes herself first. She describes
00:40:45.160
herself as bilingual, disabled, neurodivergent, queer black Latina who loves a good hot wing. Oh,
00:40:51.540
I think you love more than one, but only with the right ranch and things that sparkle. She said,
00:40:59.580
while I full-heartedly believe in religious freedom and people being able to practice whatever
00:41:04.540
faith they have, I had some concerns regarding looking at this particular institution. And so,
00:41:11.960
and she said, my concern is when I go to Arizona Christian University's website, they're committed
00:41:16.000
to Jesus Christ accomplishing his will and advancements on earth that is in heaven. Part of
00:41:19.840
their values is to transform the culture with truth by promoting the biblically informed values that are
00:41:25.700
foundational to Western civilization. Love it. Including the centrality of family. Love it.
00:41:30.680
Traditional sexual immorality. Great. And lifelong marriage between one man and one woman.
00:41:36.500
Awesome. That's Christianity for you. Has been for 2000 years and many other cultures and religions
00:41:43.500
as well. Hold to this. I want to know how bringing teachers from an institution that is ingrained in
00:41:49.280
their value so directly brings, there's a lot of things that she's saying that don't make sense and it's a
00:41:55.200
little concerning that she's part of the educational, an educational institution, brings impact to three of
00:41:59.720
your board members who are part of the LGBT community. She also said, at some point, we need
00:42:04.720
to get real with ourselves and take a look at who we're making legal contracts with and message and
00:42:09.320
the message that is sending to our community, because that makes me feel like I could not be safe in the
00:42:13.500
school district. So once again, when it comes to all of this progressive stuff,
00:42:17.840
the progressive revolution that happens in schools and every institution, it's never about competence.
00:42:27.440
Like it's never about excellence. It's never even really about safety, not actual safety.
00:42:32.020
It's about feelings. And so they don't say these ACU student teachers did a bad job or they're not good.
00:42:38.840
good. They're not good teachers or they weren't providing an excellent service or that they didn't
00:42:45.080
give any examples of how teachers made these kids unsafe or were unloving to them or unaccepting to
00:42:50.740
them or just did a bad. They don't they don't mention that because it's not about that. It's about their
00:42:55.620
beliefs. It's about them being Christian. They're open about that. They're explicit about that.
00:43:00.060
Like, can you imagine openly doing this towards any other religion and getting away with it?
00:43:10.140
No, but they're applauded for it. And so, look, I don't believe in putting on this victim complex.
00:43:15.700
I just believe in like seeing reality. This is what it is. This is what it has been for a very long
00:43:21.480
time. And I'm not going to bemoan it. Yeah, I think it's unfair. It's un-American and it's just
00:43:27.540
stupid. Some of the only sane people in this world are Christians who actually like can tell up from
00:43:33.960
down. But I do think I mean, but but I will say, though, like on a positive note, is that because
00:43:45.720
this is the history of the church is being treated in this way and much, much, much more harshly and
00:43:52.080
not just in history, but still happening today, like we don't we don't have to be depressed over
00:43:58.880
it. Actually, the church can thrive on the margins. I think that there are going to be a lot of really
00:44:03.520
deadly and destructive consequences, as we're already seeing to pulling Christianity out of the
00:44:08.000
mainstream. However, however, I do think that it's an exciting moment for the church. I think it is a
00:44:15.640
moment of separating wheat from chaff. It's less convenient. It's less comfortable. It's much more
00:44:21.760
difficult today to be a Christian, to be an actual Christian, to stand up for Christian morality in the
00:44:28.600
face of the trans agenda, in the face of the redefinition of marriage and the family, in the face
00:44:36.380
of the way the cultural winds are blowing. It's much harder to swim upstream like human salmon than it was
00:44:43.460
in America even 20 years ago. And so, I mean, this is a time for the church to really shine. And of
00:44:51.400
course, the church has always shown. But again, when it's pushed to the margins, when the world around
00:44:56.660
us is so dark, when more and more institutions are turning off the light, then it is an opportunity to
00:45:02.840
shine even brighter, to be even bolder, to really count the cost, as our brothers and sisters in Christ
00:45:08.100
have been doing for a long time around the world. Like religious liberty, equal treatment under the
00:45:13.440
law, having a Christian value system, even where non-Christians exist, is not normal universally.
00:45:20.760
It is not normal historically. America has been, and the Western civilization, but particularly America,
00:45:25.820
has been very unique in that, extremely unique in that. And we've had a lot of, like, we've had a lot
00:45:33.600
of positive effects because of that. And now that's going away. And I'm not saying we shouldn't push
00:45:38.420
back. You know that I think that we should. But instead of just saying, oh, this is so sad, now is
00:45:44.840
the time to say, you know what? I'm counting the cost. This is what it means to be a Christian, to be
00:45:49.040
in the world and not of the world, and to stand out, and to constantly be maligned for simply saying
00:45:54.960
that, which is true. And by the way, this works out for us in eternal glory that far outweighs any
00:46:01.000
hardship or trial that we endure because of our faith here today. I mean, Jesus promises us,
00:46:06.860
the world hates you because it hated me first. In this world, you will have trouble, but take heart,
00:46:13.660
I've overcome the world. So we're actually guaranteed a form of persecution. We're actually
00:46:18.240
guaranteed a form of discrimination. We're guaranteed. It's not the same persecution as our,
00:46:23.440
you know, as Christians in different parts of the world are enduring, but like we are guaranteed
00:46:27.680
some of the things like what Jack Phillips has endured for the last 10 years. That's actually
00:46:32.140
part of the package. So let's get comfortable being uncomfortable and just realize that this
00:46:37.260
is normal. Yes, push back through politics and culture wars and through raising your family,
00:46:41.200
discipling your family and doing everything you can to stand for truth 100%. But just know like
00:46:46.320
this is kind of probably the way that it's going. And this is all the more reason, all the more
00:46:53.280
exciting, I think, reason to stand firm and to truly stake your place. All right. Also,
00:47:01.360
oh, I just wanted to say like one last thing on that. I thought it was really interesting. Rainn
00:47:04.740
Wilson, who played Dwight on The Office. I like him much better as Dwight than as Rainn Wilson.
00:47:12.180
He says some things that I'm like, what? But he does say something that I thought was good. He
00:47:17.500
tweeted on March 11th, I do think there's an anti-Christian bias in Hollywood. As soon as the
00:47:21.680
David character in The Last of Us started reading from the Bible, I knew he was going to be a horrific
00:47:25.020
villain. Could there be a Bible reading preacher on a show who's actually loving and kind?
00:47:29.920
I appreciate him saying that. I mean, obviously, we've known this. This has been apparent for
00:47:34.300
decades in Hollywood that Christianity either is like entirely ignored or it is depicted as something
00:47:43.080
that is evil and perverse. And so he makes a good point. Now, of course, Hollywood's definition
00:47:48.820
of like a loving and kind Christian is one that affirms everything that the world affirms.
00:47:55.560
They're not going to show like a loving and kind Christian who holds to traditional marriage
00:48:00.100
that is evil to them. So they just like are unable to do that. But I appreciate Rainn Wilson
00:48:05.660
pointed this out because it's absolutely true. And it's just like Hollywood, they're so in their bubble.
00:48:12.300
The liberals who live on the coast of the country, we know everything about them
00:48:16.220
because they're represented in media so much. They know nothing about us.
00:48:20.300
And so like they just make really dumb characterizations and assessments. That's why
00:48:24.500
we know so much more than them about everything because they're in their little silos and we are
00:48:30.020
forced out of our silos because every institution that we are part of, every show that we watch
00:48:34.620
is at least against some of our values. And so that just makes us it makes us tougher. It also
00:48:40.280
makes us more thoughtful. It makes us a lot more effective in debate, too. All right. Wow.
00:48:45.560
We covered a lot of ground today. Basically, I think the theme is just that the gospel wins,
00:48:51.700
God wins, and we don't have to worry about where the world goes or what they think of us because
00:48:59.100
God's victory is sure. And we can have a lot of hope and a lot of optimism in that. That's not where
00:49:03.440
we were going to go in today's episode. We actually had a whole other thing planned,
00:49:08.160
but then we realized we need more research. So we'll do that next week. All right.
00:49:11.140
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that's coming out. I'll post about it on Instagram and I'll post the links and
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all that good stuff. All right. Next week will be a party. It'll be fun. And let's see. Do I have
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anything else to say? I think that's it. Okay. Have a great weekend. See y'all Monday.