Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 772 ｜ Why Dylan Mulvaney Made Me Cry

00:00:00.000 Christians in Arizona and elsewhere are being explicitly discriminated against for their faith,

00:00:06.140 but I think we've actually got good reason to be hopeful. Dylan Mulvaney performed a variety

00:00:13.520 show this week celebrating a full year of quote unquote transition from a man to what he calls

00:00:19.580 a girl. We will analyze that. And then I have an earnest and sincere plea for Dylan.

00:00:25.960 And YouTuber Shane Dawson is chronicling his journey with unethically using a surrogate to

00:00:31.940 make children. He's got a really disturbing history, too, that makes this whole situation

00:00:36.560 even worse. All of this and more on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by our

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00:00:55.960 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. If you're watching this on YouTube, yes, I am

00:01:04.260 draped in my blanket today. I usually just have my blanket over my legs, but it is so cold. It is so

00:01:11.940 cold in this studio. And I usually wear a long sleeve shirt or a jacket for this reason. Today,

00:01:20.520 I forgot because it's actually kind of warm outside. I forget that I need to dress for an

00:01:26.440 icy tundra when I am recording this podcast. But speaking of studios, again, just another

00:01:32.540 announcement. Next week, we will be in our new studio. A lot of you, for some reason, thought

00:01:37.020 that this was our new studio when I posted on Instagram some pictures yesterday. I guess you

00:01:42.160 haven't been tuning in on YouTube, but no, this has been our temporary set as that new set has been

00:01:47.740 being built. This one has been a great temporary set. That one, though, I mean, this is not even,

00:01:53.720 it's not even in the same realm. I'm so excited for you to see it. Monday's episode is going to be

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00:02:09.180 to the studio set reveal. So it's been about five years of Relatable. It's just time for a refresh,

00:02:16.600 a refresh of the music, too. I know some of you guys are sad about that, but that's okay. That's

00:02:21.560 okay. It's time. There's going to be new Relatable font, new Relatable brands, and it's just going to

00:02:27.180 be, it's going to be really fun. And the next week, we've got some good guests coming up in the next

00:02:31.380 couple weeks for our new set. All right, let's get into what we are discussing today. The first

00:02:37.180 thing I want to talk about is something that is going viral, of course, on social media. And I

00:02:41.280 understand that a lot of you are tired of hearing about this person. And I'll explain why I think

00:02:46.760 it's actually important to talk about him. And that is Dylan Mulvaney. We won't spend all of our time

00:02:51.860 on this particular topic. And, you know, part of it is also that he probably likes to be in the news,

00:02:59.300 and he likes a lot of attention. And so why are we giving him airtime? And I totally understand that.

00:03:04.180 But I do think that Dylan Mulvaney, if you don't know who that is, he is the TikTok star who documented

00:03:09.260 the so-called days of girlhood. Now, this is a grown man, okay? This is a grown man who looks

00:03:13.660 like a grown man. And he is saying that he is transitioning into not just a woman, but a girl.

00:03:19.220 And so for the first year of his transition, he said that it was the days of girlhood. So he would 0.54

00:03:24.920 post these videos on TikTok where he talked about being a girl. And some of them were very disturbing.

00:03:32.840 Some of them were just kind of nondescript, or they weren't really worth talking about. But

00:03:38.740 he clearly demonstrates what he thinks it means to be feminine, or what he thinks it means to be a

00:03:43.840 girl. And some of the things that he's talked about is, oh, being so scared of bugs. And there

00:03:50.100 was a video where he says that we need to normalize girls having bulges, yep, in tight leather shorts. 0.97

00:03:58.940 And he basically dons this character of being a ditz, of being a floocy, of being this kind of 0.99

00:04:07.700 airheaded child. I mean, he dresses like a young girl. And he is celebrated by female organizations, 0.98

00:04:17.240 by corporations for doing this, for displaying what honestly is a very offensive, very condescending,

00:04:24.680 very patronizing, very infantilizing depiction of what it means to be a girl or to be a woman.

00:04:33.000 He has gotten millions of dollars in sponsorships, millions and millions of followers. He is

00:04:38.540 influencing young people, young girls in particular, to imagine that this is what it

00:04:44.780 means to be feminine. That to be a girl isn't really anything substantive. It isn't anything 0.84

00:04:50.660 biological. It isn't anything real. It's something that you can take on and put off.

00:04:54.880 You can become a girl just by wearing lipstick, by growing out your hair. It doesn't matter 0.99

00:04:59.800 if you have male genitalia. It doesn't matter if you have male DNA. It doesn't matter if you 0.95

00:05:04.280 have a male body. It doesn't matter if you have a five o'clock shadow. It doesn't matter if you have

00:05:08.340 every indication of being a male. You can still be a woman because it is something as superficial as 1.00

00:05:13.820 wearing a skirt. That apparently is where progressivism has taken us. It's so progressive

00:05:20.620 that we have completely forgotten one of the most fundamental tenets of reality, actually the

00:05:26.740 foundation of all of human existence. And that is that there is male and there is female and there

00:05:33.120 are innate differences. All of us exist because of the innate differences between male and female.

00:05:38.680 And so this person is a representation of the denial of reality and the celebration and the

00:05:43.860 glorification of the denial of reality. This person is a manifestation of Romans 1. We are exchanging

00:05:50.360 the truth of God for a lie. We are diluting our minds because of sin, because of an exchange

00:05:55.920 of the God of Scripture for the God of self. And when it becomes lucrative to do that, I think that

00:06:03.400 that's a really good symbol, a really good indication of just how far our culture has gone.

00:06:09.680 And Dylan celebrated what has now been 365 days of transition. During this transition, he hasn't just

00:06:16.600 socially transitioned, trying to go by she, her pronouns, which of course I will not honor because 1.00

00:06:22.440 I believe that Dylan is made purposely in the image of God as a male. And because I'd rather honor God

00:06:28.940 than affirm his feelings, I am going to use the pronouns that correspond to his purposely created

00:06:34.980 biology. But he has also tried to physically transition. And so he's gone through facial feminization

00:06:40.600 surgery. And that entails, you know, trying to shave down the brow ridge, trying to make the jaw less

00:06:49.860 pronounced, the eyebrows a little bit raised up, the lips a little bit fuller, probably shaving down

00:06:58.100 the Adam's apple, all things that you don't have to do if you are a female, by the way. So he is influencing

00:07:04.180 millions and millions of young people to think that this is normal, to think that this is how you

00:07:09.460 get affirmation. This is how you become liked. This is how you become a celebrity by fundamentally denying

00:07:15.480 who you are, hating how God made you and trying and ultimately failing to change it. And so he celebrated

00:07:22.660 now what has been a year of transition. He performed this one night only variety show called Day 365 Live

00:07:32.680 to celebrate his 365th Day of Girlhood at the Rainbow Room in New York. The event was hosted by Dylan

00:07:41.080 and featured many other quote unquote queer icons and Broadway performers. You'll remember that Dylan

00:07:47.040 Mulvaney is or was a Broadway performer, very, very talented, just a beautiful voice, a very talented actor.

00:07:56.360 Take from that what you will. And then has now attempted to transition into a girl, into a woman.

00:08:05.760 The 80 minute cabaret began with a prerecorded clip of Rachel Brosnahan, who is the marvelous Mrs.

00:08:12.000 Maisel comforting Mulvaney in her dressing room, or I guess this is a quote from Variety. Is it her

00:08:18.400 dressing room? I don't know if it's referring to Rachel, who was her or Mulvaney, who would actually be

00:08:23.380 his. From there, Mulvaney eagerly entered from the balcony at the back of the Rainbow Room and sang

00:08:28.120 a series of Kate Bush covers, which we'll play you a little bit of that. And then at one point in the

00:08:37.840 show, at one point in the show, he plays a compilation video of right-wing commentators talking

00:08:44.180 about him in a way that he deems hateful. And I will just say, like, Relatable was snubbed.

00:08:50.980 We were snubbed. We were excluded from this montage. He only included Daily Wire hosts and

00:08:59.360 the things that they have said about him. Some of the things were harsher than others, but every

00:09:04.280 single thing that was said by each of the hosts, whether it was Candace or Matt Walsh or Ben or

00:09:09.880 Michael, they were all true. They were all 100% true. And honestly, I was watching that and I was like,

00:09:15.720 you know, as much as I honestly, as much as I disagree with him and really hate what he's

00:09:23.080 doing and how he's influencing people, like, I don't want him to, you know, constantly be

00:09:29.700 sad or depressed or whatever because of what other people are saying. What I do hope is that

00:09:34.940 some of the true things that they are saying actually like plant a seed of reality in his mind

00:09:40.780 that he's actually influenced and impacted even in some small way by some of the very true things

00:09:46.700 that he's saying. But he uses this as a way to kind of lead into the musical portion of this

00:09:55.340 performance. It's very odd. Like, it's obviously very self-serving. This is all about self-worship

00:09:59.980 and self-idolatry, right? I mean, we talked about this yesterday. When you elevate autonomy and

00:10:06.140 authenticity above submission to truth, which ultimately is submission to Christ,

00:10:12.280 then authenticity and autonomy become excuses to sin. Oh, I'm just being myself. So I'm going

00:10:18.260 to identify however I want to identify, however I feel on the inside. Autonomy. Oh, well, I have

00:10:23.740 bodily autonomy. So I'm even going to sacrifice the life of my child on the altar of autonomy.

00:10:28.240 Autonomy and authenticity can be very good things, but when they're not submitted to Christ,

00:10:32.080 then they become idols that lead us to do very destructive things. And that's what we're

00:10:35.820 seeing here is that he has sacrificed reality, truth, his own body, his true identity on the

00:10:42.020 altar of autonomy, on the altar of the God of self. And so I'm going to play you a clip. It's a

00:10:46.560 little long, but I really want to respond to it and I want to respond to it sincerely. So like,

00:10:51.260 it's cringe. Yes, it's cringe because he's acting and it's all about him and turns into this musical

00:10:57.020 and it's, it's just, it's just cringe in a lot of ways, but like, listen till the end. And I do

00:11:03.600 want to sincerely respond to what he says there. Here it is. Truthfully, I don't know what their goal

00:11:09.880 is, but I do know how they make me feel now that I've built up a thicker skin.

00:11:18.580 It doesn't hurt me. Do you want to feel how it feels? Do you want to know, know that it doesn't hurt me?

00:11:30.280 Do you want to hear about the deal I'm making? My response going forward, it's not over explaining

00:11:42.360 myself. It's not pleading. It's, um, it's not expecting kindness from someone who has no kindness

00:11:51.480 to give. My response is in the next joyous video that I make. That's my response.

00:11:59.560 And if I only could, I'd make a deal with God. And I'd get him to swap our places.

00:12:07.960 Can we pause there? I'm going to say something that might make people feel a little bit uncomfortable.

00:12:13.720 Um, I'm trying really hard to maintain a relationship with God. And I don't think that he made a mistake

00:12:22.160 with me. Um, and that maybe one day I will actually be grateful for being trans that this isn't some 0.91

00:12:31.340 curse, but it's just a different path to the same destination. All right. Let me tell you why

00:12:38.300 that makes me want to cry. And the part that I actually teared up at was not that last part.

00:12:44.160 It was actually when he hit like a very beautiful low note when he was saying the reason that that

00:12:49.820 makes me cry is because estrogen has ruined his beautiful tenor male voice. And maybe that seems

00:12:57.940 like a superficial thing to be sad about, but it actually has to do with the last thing he said is

00:13:03.900 that, wow, God made this man so talented, so incredibly talented. Wow. He had a beautiful

00:13:12.160 voice. Have you ever seen videos of him singing on Broadway in the book of Mormon, or I think he was

00:13:17.680 in spring awakening. I don't know some other shows. He is incredibly talented, a beautiful booming

00:13:24.300 Broadway male voice. It is extremely easy to see why he got as successful and as famous as he did.

00:13:31.900 And now through hormones and through these surgeries, he has actually ruined his beautiful

00:13:36.720 voice. He wants to be a soprano. Dylan, you'll never be a soprano. Like you'll never have the

00:13:43.080 same voice that you did when you were living out as male, because guess what? That is how God made you.

00:13:48.640 That's how God made you. Yes, he did make you. He made you purposely and wonderfully in your mother's

00:13:55.180 womb. That's what Psalm 139 tells us. And he did not make a mistake. He absolutely didn't make a

00:14:01.040 mistake. You are 100% right about that. But the mistake that he did not make was in making you

00:14:07.800 a male. And right now you are living in active rebellion to his creation. You are living in

00:14:15.640 active rebellion to how God made you. Look, God is not endorsing or affirming the confusion or the

00:14:23.700 delusion that you say that you have in your mind. Like good and evil exists. God and Satan exists.

00:14:30.240 And Satan is the author of confusion. God is not. God is the author, the source, the bringer of peace.

00:14:37.660 And what he wants is for you to have peace with your body, to have peace with the biology that he gave

00:14:45.740 you that will not happen through surgery, that will not happen through hormones because you are simply

00:14:50.920 not female. You will never be a woman. You will never be a girl. I know that there are people around 0.94

00:14:57.380 the world who are applauding you, who are telling you that they're celebrating your femininity,

00:15:02.120 celebrating your femaleness. But Dylan, at the end of the day, God made you a man. And that is a good 0.71

00:15:07.840 thing. You have value. You have innate worth as an image bearer of God. And I want that to be where

00:15:15.800 your identity lies. I want you to know that Christ died to save you, to make you new, that what people

00:15:23.340 don't say, what I say, what anyone says, it doesn't ultimately matter. But not because you're actually

00:15:28.880 a woman, but because your identity can be in something higher than that and not in this imaginary

00:15:35.540 transition that you think is happening, but actually in the God who made you. It can be in Christ who died

00:15:42.580 to save you, who died to save me. Like, do you, you're looking for satisfaction, Dylan. You're looking

00:15:48.640 for love. You're looking for affirmation. You're looking for acceptance. You're not going to find it

00:15:54.580 in this. It's going to feel good for a little while. I know it does. It feels good to be patted on the

00:16:01.820 back. It feels good to get all of this money, to get this, these accolades. I understand that feels good.

00:16:08.400 That will fade. Here today, gone tomorrow. But eternity is a really long time. Have you thought

00:16:19.020 about that? Have you thought about what's going to happen when this life is over? Have you thought

00:16:25.500 about the bigger picture here? Have you heard the gospel, Dylan? Like the real gospel that we are

00:16:33.020 sinners, that we are all far from God, no matter how we identify, no matter what our sexual preferences

00:16:38.240 are, every single one of us attracted to male, female, confused about gender, not confused about

00:16:44.340 gender, we're all separated from God because God is holy and perfect and we are sinful. Therefore, 1.00

00:16:50.420 we need a reconciliation to God. We need a bridge to God. We need to be brought to God. And that is why

00:16:56.480 Jesus came. That's why God became flesh and dwelt among us, died a death that he did not have to die

00:17:03.360 on the cross for our sake, a sacrifice that then paid for our sins. If by grace through faith, we trust

00:17:11.460 in him for that. That's the good news that you're looking for. That's the love that you're trying and

00:17:18.540 failing to find in all the wrong places. You will not find your identity, your satisfaction, the

00:17:25.540 affirmation that you're truly seeking, the contentment that you long for, the peace that you are looking for

00:17:30.680 outside of Christ, Dylan. And I will tell you, like, if you, and I pray by the grace of God, you do ever

00:17:38.980 come to Christ, like, just like all of us, he's not going to leave you as you are. Like he will, by grace

00:17:47.720 through the power of his Holy Spirit, seek to change your heart and to reconcile your mind with your body

00:17:56.160 because he made it good. He made it good. He made your beautiful male voice good. He made your male

00:18:04.460 body good. The first chapter of the first book of the Bible tells us that, Dylan. And I hope that you

00:18:12.560 can have a relationship with God. You can only do that through Christ. And just know that Christ promises

00:18:17.680 never to leave us as we are. And it is worth it. You're trying and failing to find joy where it just

00:18:26.060 does not exist. And I pray you find it in the God who created you, in the Jesus who died to save you.

00:18:34.340 I encourage you, Dylan, read the book of John.

00:18:39.560 I encourage you, read Ephesians 2, learn the gospel. Gosh, I pray that you do. I pray. I really do.

00:18:48.240 I pray that you. That's what I want for Dylan. I mean, you know, we can laugh at all the ridiculous

00:18:53.740 things that he says. We can cringe. It's cringeworthy. And we can talk about him being 0.99

00:18:58.140 offensive. It is offensive. It's an offensive caricature of women. We can talk about how 1.00

00:19:02.980 harmful his influence is. It is extremely harmful. And we can laugh and make fun and all that. You

00:19:10.140 know, I think there's honestly a place for that. But at the end of the day, the best thing that can

00:19:14.740 happen is for him to repent. That's what I want. And so that clip made me sad for a variety of

00:19:21.920 reasons. But I just want I want him to know I want him to know there is a God who cares,

00:19:27.300 who made him good. Yeah, I guess that's all I have to say on that. There's a there's a lot more

00:19:34.120 that I could say about him. But that's my a lot of people have conveyed messages to Dylan. That's my

00:19:37.980 sincere message. And that's my like deepest hope for for him. And I hope that we are all praying

00:19:45.400 that honestly. And I hope that he has people in his life that are praying that too. That's the that's

00:19:50.060 how we love, by the way. That's how we love. I know a lot of people say, well, loving people is using

00:19:55.020 their preferred pronouns. Loving people is affirming their delusion. No, it's not. That's you thinking

00:19:59.400 that you're more loving than God. You can't be more loving than God. First John for a God is love.

00:20:03.900 Okay, God is love. And then Genesis 127, God made the male and female. So if you're disagreeing

00:20:09.680 with Genesis 127, and you think that you are more loving than the God who in First John for a says

00:20:14.600 that he is love. The Bible doesn't say you are love. So don't idolize yourself by thinking that

00:20:19.660 you can be more compassionate than God by disagreeing with him. The most loving thing we can always do is

00:20:25.040 agree with God, both in our lives and in how we speak to other people. And so I'm sorry, I'm not going

00:20:30.480 to fall into that fake empathy trap that says in order to love someone, you have to affirm lies.

00:20:36.460 I'm not more loving than God. I think the best thing I can do is probably agree with him.

00:20:52.040 Okay, I've been wanting to talk about this strange story for a little while. You know,

00:20:57.560 on this show, we talk a lot about the dangers of commercial surrogacy and the ethics behind sperm

00:21:03.000 donation, egg donation, even IVF. Basically, I think in most of these situations, while I know

00:21:10.140 there's a lot of people who listen to the show who watch the show who have used IVF. So please go back

00:21:14.880 and listen to some previous episodes that I've done on IVF. And don't hear me say that I think that you

00:21:19.880 are a bad mom or that your kids just aren't as just as precious and is made in the image of God as

00:21:25.320 every other child. That's not what I'm saying. What I am saying is that in IVF and in all of

00:21:29.600 these fertility treatments, very often the rights of children are denied. They're completely ignored,

00:21:35.500 especially when you have IVF situations where you're making many embryos that you never intend

00:21:41.280 to plant. There are risks to IVF, especially when it comes to the mother, but also when it comes

00:21:46.740 to the child. And so these are risks that you are, that we are placing on children,

00:21:52.380 you know, without their consent. All I'm saying is that these are things that we

00:21:56.540 should think about. There are millions and millions of frozen embryos throughout the country that will

00:22:02.080 stay frozen indefinitely. I mean, if we believe that life begins at conception, we have a problem

00:22:06.600 with that. And life does begin at conception. It's not even just a belief, it's a scientific fact.

00:22:11.220 Now, you might not believe that those lives that began at conception have any value,

00:22:16.560 and you'll have to explain to me philosophically why you believe that, but it is life. And so we have

00:22:23.220 all of these tiny human lives that are sitting on ice throughout the country. That's a consequence

00:22:28.360 of IVF. IVF makes the fertility industry, big fertility, as many like to say, a lot of money. So does

00:22:35.200 sperm donation. So does egg donation. Sperm donation is the purposeful abandonment of your children, 0.98

00:22:43.560 and so is egg donation. You're sending your future children off with no intention to care for them. 0.82

00:22:51.300 That's abandonment. All right. I believe it's 1 Timothy 5.8 says, not taking care of your family

00:22:56.920 is worse than being an unbeliever. I mean, that's abandonment. That's not to say that there is no 1.00

00:23:02.340 grace or redemption for those things, but it is absolutely sinful. And not to mention the repercussions

00:23:08.260 that that has on a child who may never know who their mother or father is. That's an innate

00:23:12.840 need for all of us. Even adopted kids, they have that primal wound of being taken away from their

00:23:19.520 biological connections. And while adoption is beautiful and redemptive and adopted kids can

00:23:25.960 have wonderful, wonderful relationships with their parents, there is still a drive in many adopted kids

00:23:32.880 to know where they come from. Where did I get my traits from? Who are my ancestors? Who is my mom?

00:23:40.060 What were the circumstances surrounding my conception, pregnancy, birth, all of that? It's just innate.

00:23:46.180 We want to know from where we come. I honestly think that is a huge part of why God calls himself

00:23:51.280 father, because even for the orphan, he ultimately is our source. He ultimately is our place of

00:23:59.800 belonging. He ultimately is our home and our protection. And then there's the whole issue of

00:24:07.220 commercialized surrogacy. And that is, I think, a heinous, heinous industry that basically is sex 0.92

00:24:16.540 trafficking, where poor, very often poor women, low-income women are pressured or feel pressured

00:24:25.260 to sell their bodies for money. That's not that different than prostitution. Technically, there's consent

00:24:32.600 there. But what puts you in the kind of situation to where you are willing to sacrifice your body to

00:24:39.740 get paid? And then again, even if there is consent, one, that doesn't make it moral. I don't believe

00:24:44.480 in consent-based morality. Consent is one of the factors that you consider when you're considering

00:24:50.660 whether something is right or wrong. But also, the child certainly doesn't consent. There are many,

00:24:55.620 many issues and consequences, physical consequences, emotional and mental consequences that come from

00:25:02.080 buying the eggs from one woman, if you're talking about two gay men, like we're about to talk about, 0.75

00:25:07.100 buying the eggs from one woman and implanting them in the uterus of another woman, and then taking that 0.99

00:25:14.500 child away immediately, both from his biological mother and from the woman who carried him for nine 0.99

00:25:20.440 months, whose smell and feel and heartbeat he knows, whose touch he innately longs for,

00:25:26.740 taking him away sooner than we take a puppy away from his mother, and then raising them without a 0.74

00:25:33.900 mom. And then, of course, the same issue in a lot of ways comes up when you're talking about two women

00:25:39.160 using sperm donation, IVF, and all of that. You are purposely taking a child away from his father.

00:25:45.840 When it comes to two men, you are purposely taking a child away from his mother. And as we talked

00:25:49.460 about earlier this week, two men might be great dads, two women might be great moms, they can never 0.98

00:25:53.920 be a mom or a dad. And it's different than adoption, because rather than using the circumstances

00:25:59.560 that already exist to try to help the life that's been created, you're actually creating a life with

00:26:05.960 the purpose of taking them away from a mom or dad. And I'm sorry, but that is selfish. It's selfish,

00:26:10.600 that's unethical, that's immoral, that's wrong. It's actually evil. It's evil to purposely take a child

00:26:16.180 away from his mom or his dad. And to think that you can serve the same role as a woman or, I mean, 0.88

00:26:23.640 as a man, a mom or a dad, it's just, it's wrong. It's wrong. There will always be something missing,

00:26:30.020 even if those parents are great parents, which they absolutely can be. They still can't be a mom or a

00:26:34.520 dad. So that is part of what makes this story about Shane Dawson and his husband, his partner,

00:26:42.940 Ryland Adams. They are going through the surrogacy process. Now, Shane Dawson is a YouTube celebrity.

00:26:50.080 He's been around a long time. I think his fame is kind of waxed and waned over the years. But they're

00:26:55.580 trying to have a child together or maybe multiple children. And there are lots of things that are

00:26:59.740 disturbing about this. In addition to what I just explained, they've created 12 embryos in total.

00:27:04.160 They've joked about which ones will be born and which ones will be discarded. And in their

00:27:09.400 announcement video, they made jokes about cheaper by the dozen, you know, saying, Oh, we, you know,

00:27:18.640 we made 12 embryos cheaper by the dozen. Ha ha ha. They're laughing on video as they're talking about

00:27:24.380 this. They laughed about the fact that each of the babies that they created, the 12 embryos that they

00:27:29.340 created has a barcode. And, um, they're talking about having four boys and the others or girls.

00:27:37.400 And then Ryland says of the four boys, which one do we choose? So you see right there, like the ethical

00:27:43.220 issue. So you're choosing children. I mean, a lot of, a lot of IVF, and especially when it comes to

00:27:50.000 like surrogacy, we don't realize this, but there's a lot of eugenics that are involved there because the 0.80

00:27:55.640 embryos are tested. Oh, this one has some kind of special need. This one has a chromosomal disorder.

00:28:00.080 This one's a girl, this one's a boy. And the two men or two women can say, not all do this, but they

00:28:06.920 can say, Oh, well, we definitely don't want a special need. We definitely don't want a disability. 1.00

00:28:11.060 We definitely don't want a girl. We definitely don't want a boy. And they can choose to then kill 1.00

00:28:15.680 those embryos based on the trace that they want or don't want. I mean, do we not see like the issues

00:28:22.000 going on here, but we're just supposed to pretend like, Oh, love is love. Yay. Like your Instagram

00:28:26.600 posts. I see Christians liking these Instagram posts. And most people just to be honest, just 0.91

00:28:30.760 like haven't really thought about it. Oh, we do have a little video, a short video of this happening.

00:28:34.960 So here's their little YouTube video announcing all this. She actually had 35 eggs on this retrieval

00:28:42.940 cycle. And of those, we each have six that are, what do they call them? The embryos that are good to go

00:28:50.240 to pregnancy. So what do we do? How do we choose? Do we have a battle? Like, do we make the eggs like

00:28:58.560 fight? I'm curious though. I want to talk to our doctor and know like, okay, of the four boys,

00:29:04.340 which boy do we choose? You know, like, I don't like playing God. I don't either. No, I'm just saying

00:29:10.820 like, I wonder if there's like the biopsies or the lab results. Tell them which spin the wheel and

00:29:16.420 we'll put a barcode on each side. Okay. Like they're talking about people here. Like you get

00:29:22.800 that right. They're talking about people, people who do not ask to be created. He did not ask to

00:29:28.440 be then taken away from their biological mother, the egg donor, and then implanted in another stranger

00:29:32.700 and then taken away from both of those women to be raised by these people. Oh my goodness. Oh my

00:29:39.220 gosh. And so again, you see the eugenics in this and he says, I don't like playing God. You're

00:29:44.740 already playing God, Shane. You're already playing God. That's exactly what you're doing. You're

00:29:49.440 playing God by creating these children outside of the natural process. I don't like playing God and

00:29:55.680 yet you will. You're not going to implant all of those embryos, are you? You're not going to have

00:29:59.720 12 children. So you will be playing God. I don't like playing God. That's, I mean, that's like

00:30:04.840 Pontius Pilate trying to wash his hands after, uh, you know, after approving the crucifixion of Jesus

00:30:13.360 ain't going to work, ain't going to work. Doesn't fly. Um, there is a different video from March,

00:30:20.460 um, of last year. They talked about starting their baby making process. They joked about purchasing the

00:30:26.340 mother of their children. They said, we chose an egg donor. It was very strange to click purchase

00:30:30.100 on our child's mother purchase. We bought our mommy. So in humor, there's a lot, there's, there's a lot of

00:30:36.500 truth in humor there. And I wish that they were making a joke about it in order to make a point about how

00:30:40.680 unethical all of this is, but of course they're not. Um, so this is not the only disturbing part

00:30:45.780 of this though. The disturbing part of this is Shane's history and the things that he has said

00:30:50.760 specifically about children, very disturbing things about children. So when it comes to this process of

00:30:58.300 commercial surrogacy, buying eggs, renting wombs, there's no background check. Anyone can do it.

00:31:04.100 In adoption, you have to have a background check, right? You have to have a background check. And

00:31:11.240 even if you're going through a divorce and you have a biological child, okay, and you got a mom and a

00:31:17.040 dad in divorce court, still like the judge is looking at the different aspects. I'm not saying,

00:31:24.160 and we should get into all the intricacies and the problems of divorce court and like our justice

00:31:27.560 system when it comes to all of that. So I'm not pretending like this is a perfect process,

00:31:30.880 but judges are assessing in general, the character of each parent. They're looking at their background.

00:31:37.820 They're looking at their history and they are deciding the custody very often based on a number

00:31:44.760 of these factors. Even when that child is biologically either the mom or the dad,

00:31:48.920 that does not guarantee that that child gets to go with them. And yet when it comes to creating these

00:31:53.860 children through surrogacy, through egg and sperm donation, the people doing so don't go through a

00:31:59.300 background check, at least as far as I can tell. And the vast majority of these cases, anyone can do

00:32:04.260 it. Is that not an issue? And actually we already see in the adoption process, we talked about that

00:32:09.100 horrible story out of Georgia where the two men raped and trafficked their boys and they adopted

00:32:18.260 their kids from a special needs Christian adoption agency. So already like we see that there's just not

00:32:23.880 enough protection of children in our country. We absolutely know that, but especially when it comes to

00:32:29.120 big fertility, there's so much money and there's so much power in it and there's so much public 0.99

00:32:33.960 support for it because people are stupid that no one is even asking these questions. No one is even 1.00

00:32:42.140 asking, well, should Shane Dawson have a child? I mean, should someone who makes the comments that

00:32:50.180 I'm about to read have a child? And I'll just let you know, they're disturbing. So let's go through

00:32:53.960 some of them. In 2014, Shane, so he's a YouTube star, remember that. Shane was recording an episode

00:32:58.720 of his first podcast, Shane and Friends. It's now deleted, but this has been reported on several

00:33:04.080 times when he began telling a seemingly innocent story about an encounter with a six-year-old fan

00:33:09.220 and then a six-year-old, all right? And then he talks about in this episode, quote, he says,

00:33:15.740 she shows me her Instagram. First of all, I don't know if I'm allowed to say this,

00:33:20.020 Shane Dawson says, but she was kind of sexy. He is talking about a six-year-old, okay? This was in

00:33:27.060 2014. Then Shane attempted to defend pedophilia in this episode as a fetish. He says, having sex

00:33:32.600 with children or touching children is terrible and you should not do it, he responded. But here's my 0.99

00:33:36.400 thing. People have foot fetishes. People have fetishes about everything. So like, okay, just if we

00:33:42.300 just ended there, which unfortunately, like that's not the end of the history of his comments. Like,

00:33:46.660 would you say that this is a person who should be talking about creating a child?

00:33:53.040 And by the way, not this is, there's also an increased risk here because not all of these

00:33:57.700 embryos, I don't even know who fertilized these embryos. I'm guessing one of the guys fertilized

00:34:05.340 some of the embryos. One of the guys fertilized another embryo. Look, the non-biological parent in

00:34:10.800 any household, this is just statistically true. I'm not saying it's true in close to every case,

00:34:15.080 but statistically true is the biggest threat to a child's safety. It's just the truth.

00:34:22.460 And so you have an added risk here. You already have someone who has a history of making these

00:34:26.560 kind of comments. Then you have an added risk that he might be in the home with someone who

00:34:30.000 is not even biologically related to him. This is a problem. I'm concerned. He made an apology video

00:34:36.880 in 2018 saying he grew up and changed his content. And he says that he even plays the section of the

00:34:46.320 podcast in his apology in which he said that he, this is just disturbing. He says that he googled

00:34:51.340 images of a naked baby and jokes that he thought that it was sexy. All right. In 2020, a clip of Shane

00:34:59.000 resurfaced on Twitter that showed himself pretending to, again, disturbing, masturbate in front of a poster

00:35:05.860 of Willow Smith. She was 11 years old in this poster. Of course, a lot of people, including Willow

00:35:15.820 Smith's brother, Jaden Smith, said, like called him out, was like, I'm disgusted by you. Why are you

00:35:21.520 sexualizing my sister? And then there are some other clips going around. There is a clip where he said that

00:35:31.500 he was video chatting with a young teenager who was a fan of his. He kept telling her to twerk.

00:35:37.180 And after she finally twerked for the camera, he told her to show herself in another video,

00:35:42.580 probably from his YouTube channel years ago. He showed a series of photos featuring young girls

00:35:47.460 wearing some of his merch. And then he jokes. This is so disturbing. This is the guy that we're

00:35:51.640 talking about who is talking about having children. He joked in that video, I would rape all of you. 1.00

00:35:56.360 In an audio clip from Shane and Friends, this is from an Evie article, Evie magazine, he says, 0.99

00:36:03.640 if I had a child, which is the same as a dog to me, well, I guess when they're a baby, you don't want

00:36:09.300 to picture someone effing them. But he is talking about how apparently he is also maybe into bestiality.

00:36:16.260 That's something he's talked about multiple times. And then he, his co-host on the show actually

00:36:22.660 shared a news story of a man who raped, I can't even say, I can't even say, I can't even say.

00:36:30.300 It's disturbing. His co-host shared a story of terrible, terrible child sexual abuse. And Shane 0.99

00:36:36.760 laughed and said, that's amazing. And I'm not even going to go, I'm not even going to go through

00:36:41.160 the rest of the stuff. Basically, he says that he's joking about all of this, whether he's talking

00:36:47.800 about bestiality or whether he's talking about pedophilia. There are actually other things that

00:36:52.460 he has said over the years that aren't even included in this. And I'm not even going to get

00:36:55.680 into all the stuff that was included in our examples because it's so disturbing. But this person is now

00:37:00.540 joking about buying the mother of their children and trying to pick their, like, why don't we have 0.94

00:37:07.380 background checks? Like, why is this something that anyone's applauding? You don't have a right 0.98

00:37:12.600 to create children. You don't. You should not have a right. Like, shouldn't we have some laws

00:37:18.080 and restrictions? You know, most countries in Europe are heavily restrictive when it comes to

00:37:25.380 the fertility industry and certainly surrogacy. Like, people in America think, oh, if we were just

00:37:30.020 more like Europe. Look, Europe has a lot more common sense restrictions on some things than we do.

00:37:35.900 I mean, so does China. I mean, China is a dictatorship. And I, like, would never,

00:37:39.480 ever praise China. But there are some things that I'm like, that makes more sense than what

00:37:43.220 we in America do. Like, America is honestly one of the most liberal countries when it comes to this

00:37:48.640 stuff, when it comes to abortion, when it comes to transgenderism in the world. And then you wonder

00:37:52.940 why there's a conservative backlash. Yeah, because we have literally the craziest progressives in the 0.70

00:37:58.360 world in our freaking country. So, of course, there's going to be a backlash to it. There's going to be a 0.97

00:38:04.580 backlash to people like Shane Dawson being able to buy children. Yeah, I have a problem with this. We

00:38:11.360 should all have a problem with this. So, we got a lot of confusion in the world. A lot of things have

00:38:27.900 changed for the worse. But one thing that hasn't changed is that Christians are pushed to the 0.99

00:38:34.860 margins and are seen as the ones causing all of the problems. And this is relatively new in our

00:38:40.920 country, at least over the past few decades. But it is not new in the history of the church. It is not

00:38:46.140 true in the history of the world. I mean, Christians for a very long time have been blamed for the

00:38:51.800 world's problems or for a country's problems or for rebellion against tyrants like Nero, which,

00:38:58.720 by the way, Christians have been in rebellion to many tyrants throughout history. So, that's fair.

00:39:03.840 But very often unfairly, unjustly maligned and mistreated when really Christians are typically

00:39:11.660 the ones on the front lines of pushing back against the madness and the people who are mad,

00:39:16.120 the people who are crazy are very upset with that. That, of course, is what's happening in the

00:39:20.100 story that maybe you've heard about in Arizona. So, the Arizona School Board ends an agreement with

00:39:25.820 a Christian college, which is Arizona Christian University, Crete University, and because they do

00:39:35.260 not want ACU's student teachers to be placed in its schools for field experience, specifically because

00:39:41.600 they are Christian. So, this happened on February 23rd. The board agreed on a motion to dissolve the

00:39:46.680 partnership. The school board said this. The board's decision to discontinue its partnership

00:39:50.820 with the Arizona Christian University was based on the board's commitment to create a safe place

00:39:55.240 for our LGBTQ plus students. So, they're just coming out and saying it. It's because of their religious

00:39:59.980 beliefs. It's because they believe in what humans have believed for thousands and thousands and

00:40:03.980 thousands of years, that we are male and female. Staff and community, this includes not knowingly

00:40:09.880 entering into partnerships with any organization that explicitly discriminates against protected classes

00:40:13.900 covered by our non-discrimination policies. So, Christians, Christians, I highly doubt they would 1.00

00:40:19.680 be dissolving any kind of partnership with some kind of Muslim organization. School board member

00:40:23.940 Tamilia Valenzuela will put her picture up. Stable individual. If you're listening to this,

00:40:31.100 she wears cat ears, still on the regular. She was also in the school board meeting, she was wearing

00:40:39.700 these cat ears, but also in this picture. She says, well, she describes herself first. She describes

00:40:45.160 herself as bilingual, disabled, neurodivergent, queer black Latina who loves a good hot wing. Oh, 1.00

00:40:51.540 I think you love more than one, but only with the right ranch and things that sparkle. She said,

00:40:59.580 while I full-heartedly believe in religious freedom and people being able to practice whatever

00:41:04.540 faith they have, I had some concerns regarding looking at this particular institution. And so,

00:41:11.960 and she said, my concern is when I go to Arizona Christian University's website, they're committed

00:41:16.000 to Jesus Christ accomplishing his will and advancements on earth that is in heaven. Part of

00:41:19.840 their values is to transform the culture with truth by promoting the biblically informed values that are

00:41:25.700 foundational to Western civilization. Love it. Including the centrality of family. Love it.

00:41:30.680 Traditional sexual immorality. Great. And lifelong marriage between one man and one woman. 0.96

00:41:36.500 Awesome. That's Christianity for you. Has been for 2000 years and many other cultures and religions

00:41:43.500 as well. Hold to this. I want to know how bringing teachers from an institution that is ingrained in

00:41:49.280 their value so directly brings, there's a lot of things that she's saying that don't make sense and it's a

00:41:55.200 little concerning that she's part of the educational, an educational institution, brings impact to three of

00:41:59.720 your board members who are part of the LGBT community. She also said, at some point, we need

00:42:04.720 to get real with ourselves and take a look at who we're making legal contracts with and message and

00:42:09.320 the message that is sending to our community, because that makes me feel like I could not be safe in the

00:42:13.500 school district. So once again, when it comes to all of this progressive stuff,

00:42:17.840 the progressive revolution that happens in schools and every institution, it's never about competence.

00:42:27.440 Like it's never about excellence. It's never even really about safety, not actual safety.

00:42:32.020 It's about feelings. And so they don't say these ACU student teachers did a bad job or they're not good.

00:42:38.840 good. They're not good teachers or they weren't providing an excellent service or that they didn't

00:42:45.080 give any examples of how teachers made these kids unsafe or were unloving to them or unaccepting to

00:42:50.740 them or just did a bad. They don't they don't mention that because it's not about that. It's about their

00:42:55.620 beliefs. It's about them being Christian. They're open about that. They're explicit about that.

00:43:00.060 Like, can you imagine openly doing this towards any other religion and getting away with it?

00:43:10.140 No, but they're applauded for it. And so, look, I don't believe in putting on this victim complex.

00:43:15.700 I just believe in like seeing reality. This is what it is. This is what it has been for a very long

00:43:21.480 time. And I'm not going to bemoan it. Yeah, I think it's unfair. It's un-American and it's just 0.98

00:43:27.540 stupid. Some of the only sane people in this world are Christians who actually like can tell up from 1.00

00:43:33.960 down. But I do think I mean, but but I will say, though, like on a positive note, is that because

00:43:45.720 this is the history of the church is being treated in this way and much, much, much more harshly and

00:43:52.080 not just in history, but still happening today, like we don't we don't have to be depressed over

00:43:58.880 it. Actually, the church can thrive on the margins. I think that there are going to be a lot of really

00:44:03.520 deadly and destructive consequences, as we're already seeing to pulling Christianity out of the 1.00

00:44:08.000 mainstream. However, however, I do think that it's an exciting moment for the church. I think it is a

00:44:15.640 moment of separating wheat from chaff. It's less convenient. It's less comfortable. It's much more

00:44:21.760 difficult today to be a Christian, to be an actual Christian, to stand up for Christian morality in the

00:44:28.600 face of the trans agenda, in the face of the redefinition of marriage and the family, in the face 0.93

00:44:36.380 of the way the cultural winds are blowing. It's much harder to swim upstream like human salmon than it was

00:44:43.460 in America even 20 years ago. And so, I mean, this is a time for the church to really shine. And of

00:44:51.400 course, the church has always shown. But again, when it's pushed to the margins, when the world around

00:44:56.660 us is so dark, when more and more institutions are turning off the light, then it is an opportunity to

00:45:02.840 shine even brighter, to be even bolder, to really count the cost, as our brothers and sisters in Christ

00:45:08.100 have been doing for a long time around the world. Like religious liberty, equal treatment under the

00:45:13.440 law, having a Christian value system, even where non-Christians exist, is not normal universally.

00:45:20.760 It is not normal historically. America has been, and the Western civilization, but particularly America,

00:45:25.820 has been very unique in that, extremely unique in that. And we've had a lot of, like, we've had a lot

00:45:33.600 of positive effects because of that. And now that's going away. And I'm not saying we shouldn't push

00:45:38.420 back. You know that I think that we should. But instead of just saying, oh, this is so sad, now is

00:45:44.840 the time to say, you know what? I'm counting the cost. This is what it means to be a Christian, to be

00:45:49.040 in the world and not of the world, and to stand out, and to constantly be maligned for simply saying

00:45:54.960 that, which is true. And by the way, this works out for us in eternal glory that far outweighs any

00:46:01.000 hardship or trial that we endure because of our faith here today. I mean, Jesus promises us,

00:46:06.860 the world hates you because it hated me first. In this world, you will have trouble, but take heart,

00:46:13.660 I've overcome the world. So we're actually guaranteed a form of persecution. We're actually

00:46:18.240 guaranteed a form of discrimination. We're guaranteed. It's not the same persecution as our,

00:46:23.440 you know, as Christians in different parts of the world are enduring, but like we are guaranteed

00:46:27.680 some of the things like what Jack Phillips has endured for the last 10 years. That's actually

00:46:32.140 part of the package. So let's get comfortable being uncomfortable and just realize that this

00:46:37.260 is normal. Yes, push back through politics and culture wars and through raising your family,

00:46:41.200 discipling your family and doing everything you can to stand for truth 100%. But just know like

00:46:46.320 this is kind of probably the way that it's going. And this is all the more reason, all the more

00:46:53.280 exciting, I think, reason to stand firm and to truly stake your place. All right. Also,

00:47:01.360 oh, I just wanted to say like one last thing on that. I thought it was really interesting. Rainn

00:47:04.740 Wilson, who played Dwight on The Office. I like him much better as Dwight than as Rainn Wilson.

00:47:12.180 He says some things that I'm like, what? But he does say something that I thought was good. He

00:47:17.500 tweeted on March 11th, I do think there's an anti-Christian bias in Hollywood. As soon as the

00:47:21.680 David character in The Last of Us started reading from the Bible, I knew he was going to be a horrific

00:47:25.020 villain. Could there be a Bible reading preacher on a show who's actually loving and kind?

00:47:29.920 I appreciate him saying that. I mean, obviously, we've known this. This has been apparent for

00:47:34.300 decades in Hollywood that Christianity either is like entirely ignored or it is depicted as something 0.70

00:47:43.080 that is evil and perverse. And so he makes a good point. Now, of course, Hollywood's definition

00:47:48.820 of like a loving and kind Christian is one that affirms everything that the world affirms.

00:47:55.560 They're not going to show like a loving and kind Christian who holds to traditional marriage 1.00

00:48:00.100 that is evil to them. So they just like are unable to do that. But I appreciate Rainn Wilson

00:48:05.660 pointed this out because it's absolutely true. And it's just like Hollywood, they're so in their bubble.

00:48:12.300 The liberals who live on the coast of the country, we know everything about them

00:48:16.220 because they're represented in media so much. They know nothing about us.

00:48:20.300 And so like they just make really dumb characterizations and assessments. That's why 0.98

00:48:24.500 we know so much more than them about everything because they're in their little silos and we are

00:48:30.020 forced out of our silos because every institution that we are part of, every show that we watch

00:48:34.620 is at least against some of our values. And so that just makes us it makes us tougher. It also

00:48:40.280 makes us more thoughtful. It makes us a lot more effective in debate, too. All right. Wow.

00:48:45.560 We covered a lot of ground today. Basically, I think the theme is just that the gospel wins,

00:48:51.700 God wins, and we don't have to worry about where the world goes or what they think of us because

00:48:59.100 God's victory is sure. And we can have a lot of hope and a lot of optimism in that. That's not where

00:49:03.440 we were going to go in today's episode. We actually had a whole other thing planned,

00:49:08.160 but then we realized we need more research. So we'll do that next week. All right.

00:49:11.140 All right. That's all we've got for you today. Thanks so much for listening and for watching.

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00:49:48.780 anything else to say? I think that's it. Okay. Have a great weekend. See y'all Monday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 16, 2023

Ep 772 ｜ Why Dylan Mulvaney Made Me Cry

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