Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 782 ｜ 'Pronoun Hospitality' Is Sin： Rosaria Butterfield’s Confession

00:00:00.000 Christian author and former LGBTQ activist Rosaria Butterfield is now publicly repenting

00:00:07.460 for up until recently using transgender pronouns, and her public announcement of

00:00:13.980 this repentance is actually incredible. Also, America is reportedly threatening to take away

00:00:22.140 aid from Uganda because Uganda is set to criminalize homosexuality. What in the world 0.82

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00:01:59.240 talking about two stories today, but because they're bigger stories, I wanted to dedicate an

00:02:06.440 entire episode to them. Also, this is going to be, or else I'm going to, I'm going to try to make it be

00:02:11.820 an express episode, a quick episode due to some scheduling conflicts or obligations that I have.

00:02:18.820 And so I will be as thorough as possible, but also try to move through this quickly. So I've been

00:02:23.080 wanting to talk about this subject for a while, and now is the perfect time because it's back in the

00:02:27.120 news. And that is what is happening in Uganda right now. Uganda, obviously, a country in Africa,

00:02:33.680 and they are passing a bill. They're debating a bill right now that criminalizes homosexuality.

00:02:40.800 And America is saying, wait, not so fast, or really, I should say the American left. So the

00:02:46.580 American government is saying, what are you doing over there in Uganda? No, we don't think so. You

00:02:52.520 need to be in line with us morally. And so they are trying to impose our Western American LGBTQ values 0.97

00:03:01.040 on this country in Africa. So here's how that is all shaking out and why I think this is so significant

00:03:08.740 and ironic in such a sad and darkly funny way. So there was an opinion article that was published

00:03:17.960 in the Washington Post just a couple days ago, titled, It's Not Just Uganda, Much of Africa is

00:03:23.220 Marching Backward on LGBT Rights. Even that headline is interesting to me, because that indicates that 0.81

00:03:30.340 Fords is what? Fords is not just saying that we need to be okay with homosexuality.

00:03:38.580 Or that we need to legalize gay marriage. But if we're looking at Ford in the United States, that

00:03:44.360 means drag shows for children. That means children dancing in drag. That means in elementary schools,

00:03:51.580 kids being presented through books and curriculum, this idea that you should be thinking about your

00:03:57.580 sexuality. You should be thinking about whether or not your genitalia matches your feelings on the

00:04:03.140 inside. So in America, that's what we see as Ford. We see as Ford the chemical castration of 10-year-old 0.55

00:04:09.460 boys. We see as Ford teenage women, teenage girls who are confused about their gender, getting their 0.97

00:04:17.220 breasts cut off. We see Ford as cross-sex hormones. We see moving forward on the LGBTQ issue as men competing 0.95

00:04:25.580 against women and girls going into women and girls' bathrooms and facilities and occupying

00:04:32.320 domestic abuse shelters. And so apparently, the American left in the United States, who believe

00:04:38.400 they have a monopoly on progress, they think that Africa needs to go in the direction of the United

00:04:43.960 States. Now, don't you think that any just kind of common sense person outside of the West, and

00:04:51.380 especially outside of, or really particularly outside of the U.S., looks at what we're doing

00:04:56.320 and saying, that doesn't look like Ford to me? That actually looks backwards? That looks perverse?

00:05:03.700 That looks depraved? Like, I don't even know if you necessarily have to have a Christian worldview to 1.00

00:05:09.920 look at what we're doing in the U.S. when it comes to gender and the reconstruction of the family

00:05:16.260 without even considering a little bit the repercussions on the development of children

00:05:22.220 and say, I'm not so sure that that is Ford. I'm not so sure that is towards this kind of horizon of

00:05:31.040 moral betterment. And that, of course, is what the left thinks. And that's also just an interesting

00:05:38.060 note. We've only gotten to the headline, but it's just an interesting note about the worldview,

00:05:42.040 the philosophy, the theology of the left, that they believe that there is some horizon. There is

00:05:48.560 some horizon of moral perfection that we are supposed to be moving toward, and conservatives,

00:05:54.000 especially conservative Christians, are all holding us back and trying to bring us backward, 1.00

00:05:59.620 and they've been trying to move us forward. And that's kind of their eschatology. That's what

00:06:04.640 they think about what the end times are going to look like. Of course, they don't have the same idea

00:06:09.300 of the end times as we do, those of us who believe in the Bible, but they believe in the same kind of

00:06:15.520 idea that they are bringing a kingdom here on earth of total equality, total equity, and total

00:06:21.720 liberation. And that means sexual liberation, gender liberation, economic liberation, all of these

00:06:27.620 things. So even in this headline of this opinion article in the Washington Post indicates so much about

00:06:33.740 how the left and how progressives see human beings, see sexuality, see identity, and see morality and

00:06:41.240 eschatology. So there's a lot packed in there. Let's see what this person actually says. Hang on,

00:06:48.020 I got to click on it because my notes don't say. Okay, so it's by the editorial board. Okay, by the

00:06:53.780 editorial board of the Washington Post. So Uganda is hardly alone, the article says, in its anti-LGBT

00:07:00.280 posture. Of the 64 or so countries that still criminalize same-sex relationships, at least

00:07:05.760 half, at least 32 by most counts are in Africa. While generally the world is moving toward more

00:07:12.880 acceptance on LGBT rights, Africa forms a near unanimous block of intolerance. See, so this is also funny 1.00

00:07:22.780 because you know the left believes that there is some multinational, multi-ethnic coalition of the

00:07:30.060 oppressed that is made up of black and brown, indigenous, atheist, agnostic people, non-Christians 0.99

00:07:40.680 that are all fighting against the bourgeoisie of white, Christian, nationalist supremacists. Like, 0.98

00:07:49.660 that is how the critical race theory view of the world functions. That it's the oppressed versus the

00:07:58.060 oppressor, the black and brown, the poor. They are all on the side of the marginalized. Those 1.00

00:08:05.760 white, privileged, cis, hetero, Christian people are on the side of the oppressor. And in their minds, 0.89

00:08:14.700 everyone on the side of the oppressed should agree when it comes to sexuality and morality and things

00:08:20.180 like that. And that's just a faulty view of the world. It's a faulty view of human beings. It's a

00:08:26.540 faulty view of cultures. And that's why, ultimately, their worldview, their understanding of how things

00:08:32.980 work really breaks down. And so they are lamenting that the continent has widespread homophobia, too

00:08:40.380 often enshrined in law and repeatedly upheld by the courts. They give some different examples.

00:08:48.300 And Vice President Harris, on her recent three-nation trip to the continent beginning March 27,

00:08:52.940 talked about the need for African countries to ensure all people be treated equally. And look,

00:08:58.780 Africa does have a problem with this. Like, I'm not saying that Africa is some beacon of morality

00:09:05.820 over there. There are a lot of issues. Slavery still exists. The way that women are treated in and 0.96

00:09:11.640 outside of marriages in many African countries is abhorrent. Religious minorities, racial minorities 0.99

00:09:18.100 in the continent of Africa are not treated well. So I'm not saying that I am on the side of African's 0.79

00:09:25.600 view of human rights. But for America to point fingers at Africa because they are not embracing

00:09:33.940 homosexuality or drag queens the way that we want them to is not just hypocritical, because we've got so 0.99

00:09:41.320 many moral moral issues here. But it's also hypocritical in the sense that the left is always 0.97

00:09:47.580 talking about the dangers of colonialism and imperialism, that Americans and especially white 0.97

00:09:54.500 people and Christians have tried to colonize black and brown countries. We've tried to imperialize black 1.00

00:10:00.560 and brown and poor countries and use them for our own enrichment, try to impose our values on the rest of 0.99

00:10:09.740 the world and just how dangerous and evil and violent that's been. That's what the left does. That's what

00:10:15.460 they're doing right now by trying to impose our ideas of what equality should look like on the nation

00:10:22.560 of Africa. Africa apparently doesn't want anything to do with how we see human beings and human nature

00:10:28.900 and morality. So, like, why are we getting involved in this? So let me explain to you what this bill

00:10:34.520 actually is, why the Washington Post is crying about it, and why the United States is now saying,

00:10:39.940 we might punish you for that.

00:10:53.280 All right. So this bill, right now, I believe that we are still waiting for it to be signed

00:11:02.320 into law, I believe. Right now, I think it is still going before President Museveni,

00:11:11.200 and he has 30 days to sign it. And so it passed the parliament on March 21st, and now I think we're

00:11:20.600 going to wait to see if he's actually going to sign it. So let me tell you what's in it. And I'm not

00:11:27.320 saying that I agree with all of this. I'm not saying that. I'm just telling you the contents

00:11:32.660 of it. Aggravated homosexuality could face 10 years in prison. So that means offense committed

00:11:38.040 against a minor, a person living with HIV or a person with a disability. Same-sex marriage,

00:11:44.840 the attempt to marry someone who is your same-sex, could face 10 years in prison. The person conducting

00:11:50.140 the marriage could face two years in prison or lose their license. Aiding and abetting homosexuality 1.00

00:11:55.060 to engage in homosexuality could face up to two years in prison. Promoting homosexuality could

00:12:00.820 lead to a fine of $5,000 of currency points. That's equivalent to about $26,000 in U.S. dollars

00:12:11.120 or face two to five years in prison. If a corporate body or association promotes homosexuality,

00:12:16.860 they face losing their certificate of registration. So, okay, they are doing...

00:12:25.060 whatever they think is necessary to try to curb the promotion of homosexuality in their country. 0.82

00:12:36.260 And I guarantee it's because they're looking at the West and how we are absolutely disintegrating.

00:12:41.820 They're looking at the United States and they're like, okay, well, it's not just about the trans

00:12:46.380 stuff. We need to back up a little bit and make sure that we are promoting

00:12:49.780 natural marriage and natural relationships. And so, after this bill was passed, here's what the

00:12:58.340 chamber looked like.

00:12:59.740 This country will stand firm. And once it passed, I can tell you, Madam Speaker, we are going to

00:13:16.520 reinforce the law enforcement officers to make sure that homosexuals have no space in Uganda. 0.97

00:13:22.140 Wow. Okay. So, they were cheering after this bill was passed. And then here's the president. 0.98

00:13:29.060 He gave a speech a couple weeks ago saying, basically indicating that he is going to support

00:13:35.640 and sign this bill. This is President Museveni of Uganda.

00:13:39.340 The homosexuals are deviations from normal. This is deviant. Is he deviant by nature or by nature? 1.00

00:13:58.880 We need a medical opinion on that. The Western countries should stop wasting the time of humanity.

00:14:07.720 I mean, he's correct in that the West should stop wasting their time trying to impose our values on Uganda 0.97

00:14:24.320 when it comes to an issue of morality and when it comes to an issue of sexuality, when it comes to the

00:14:31.620 formation of the family, why should we be getting involved in what Uganda has to say about that?

00:14:40.360 So, I think he's correct. And by the way, homosexuality is a deviation from a natural life-bearing union. 1.00

00:14:49.600 So, he is correct about that. And again, I'm not saying Uganda doesn't have its own other problems 1.00

00:14:56.900 with human rights. I won't pretend like I'm well-versed in all of the laws of Uganda,

00:15:01.480 but just what we know about how the government has functioned and how the people there fare

00:15:06.720 in light of how the government functions. I would say that there are probably some other issues.

00:15:13.900 But I don't see why the U.S. needs to involve itself or interrupt this democratic process that

00:15:22.360 is going on here in Uganda if we are so pro-democracy and anti-imperialism, as the left is always saying.

00:15:29.580 But here is the press secretary, Corinne Jean-Pierre, saying,

00:15:34.820 oh, no, we absolutely have something to say about what Uganda is doing with homosexuality. 0.92

00:15:41.300 We have grave concerns with the passage of the Anti-Homosexuality Act, AHA, by the Parliament

00:15:47.940 of Uganda yesterday, and increasing violence targeting LGBTQI plus persons. If the AHA is

00:15:55.280 signed into law and enacted, it would impinge upon universal human rights, jeopardize progress

00:16:01.960 in the fight against HIV-AIDS, deter tourism and invest in Uganda and damage Uganda's international

00:16:09.820 reputation. The bill is one of the most extreme anti-LGBTQI plus laws in the world. Human rights

00:16:18.920 are universal. No one should be attacked, imprisoned or killed simply because of who they are or whom

00:16:26.460 they love. I would like to know how big of a problem this even is in Uganda. I guarantee there's 1.00

00:16:34.420 no one who thinks that they're the opposite sex in Uganda. Like, I guarantee you that there is no man 0.98

00:16:39.000 in Uganda that is trying to become a woman or wear a dress. I mean, that's a very luxurious problem

00:16:45.220 that we have here in the United States. It's not like naturally occurring or organic. It's not like

00:16:52.060 real that all of these men all of a sudden realize that their whole lives they've actually been in the

00:16:57.200 wrong body. That's the product of widespread pornography. It is also the product of propaganda

00:17:01.940 that is being pushed by the medical industry because it makes them a lot of money by ideologues, 0.87

00:17:07.000 by perverts. So it's very manufactured here in the United States. I highly doubt that transgenderism 1.00

00:17:13.480 is this widespread problem in Uganda. I also just think it's interesting, again, a worldview issue here

00:17:21.140 that she is talking about universal human rights. Who says what a universal human right is? Like,

00:17:27.060 who determines that? Who defines that? Because in the leftist world, the government is the highest

00:17:32.720 form of authority. Of course, in our world, we believe that God is the highest form of authority.

00:17:37.240 So he decides on and defines what a human right is and tells us why. Because they obviously don't

00:17:45.380 believe that human beings are made in the image of God and therefore we have rights given to us by him

00:17:51.240 that cannot arbitrarily be taken away by the government. We also don't believe that they

00:17:56.880 can redefine marriage or redefine gender. The left does believe that human beings and especially the

00:18:02.140 state has the power to define and redefine those things. And so who is saying what a universal human

00:18:09.060 right is? Why does what America says is a universal human right trump what Uganda says is a human right?

00:18:17.040 Now, I think that's an interesting debate, by the way. I think that absolutely can be debated. But

00:18:21.720 from the leftist morally bankrupt mentality, the god of self mentality that progressivism rests on,

00:18:30.420 I'm not really sure her argument for objective truth really stands up to scrutiny. I mean,

00:18:38.880 these are the same people who talk about moral relativism, cultural relativism. White people can't 0.92

00:18:44.860 tell black people what is right and wrong. America can't tell China that communism is bad, 0.98

00:18:50.560 whatever. But all of a sudden, they're very sure about objective morality and universal truth when

00:18:57.220 it comes to gay sex. Very interesting how they pick and choose those things. Okay, so the US is now 1.00

00:19:03.260 talking about doing something about this. This is something that the United States has done. Hey,

00:19:08.040 if you don't follow our values and our laws, when it comes to these different issues,

00:19:13.060 then we're gonna have to look at some of the money that we've been giving to you. So

00:19:17.740 the US does give assistance to Uganda, we give assistance to lots and lots and lots of countries,

00:19:24.200 and it really doesn't do anything in the way of helping the people that live there. What's that

00:19:32.320 Ron Paul quote, foreign aid is money given by poor people in rich countries to rich people in poor

00:19:44.960 countries. And that's absolutely true. Typically, when we're giving foreign aid, it is just lining the

00:19:52.000 coffers, filling the coffers of the people in charge there and doesn't actually trickle down

00:19:56.140 to the people in the country that actually need it. So that's probably true of Uganda,

00:20:00.820 but we're still able to pull some strings because we are giving financial aid. So

00:20:05.620 so we give them about $950 million a year, which is wild. The US government plays a key role in

00:20:17.180 improving health outcomes by strengthening Uganda's capacity to sustainably address emergency health

00:20:22.640 threats, tuberculosis, malaria, maternal child health, family planning. US exports to Uganda include

00:20:29.380 machinery, optical and medical CDs, instruments, wheat and aircraft. US imports from Uganda include

00:20:37.700 coffee, cocoa, base metals, and fish. And so apparently, America is reevaluating our relationship

00:20:47.260 with Uganda and the help that we give to Uganda. The US National Security Council is talking about how

00:20:52.840 terrible this is. The UN is talking about how terrible this is. I mean, this is absolutely

00:20:57.200 wild. Absolutely wild. The slavery that exists in China and in Africa, that's not enough to make the 0.90

00:21:05.300 United Nations like perk up and say, oh, maybe we should do something about the million Uyghur Muslims 1.00

00:21:11.640 that are enslaved in China. That's not enough. But someone says, and we're not going to promote

00:21:16.220 homosexuality. Excuse me, says the UN. Okay, so some responses that people have been giving Delano

00:21:28.120 Squires, one of my favorite guests, and he's a contributor to Jason Whitlock's show. He says,

00:21:33.440 watch all of the anti-colonialists at the Washington Post and the New York Times demand that the West use

00:21:37.760 its political and economic power to make African Christian nationalist countries like Kenya and Uganda

00:21:43.240 bend the knee to pride. Narratives are about to get seriously scrambled. It's so true. The narratives

00:21:48.940 are getting seriously scrambled. And we've been talking about this for a long time, how the left

00:21:53.460 is imperialist by nature, not just when it comes to other countries, but every institution in the United

00:21:59.360 States. Perhaps Uganda, Delano says, doesn't want its culture colonized by the West again. Maybe the

00:22:04.580 people there would rather fly their own flag than yours. And this is a picture of the weird pride flag 0.98

00:22:11.660 that we have. Like, maybe they're looking at someone like Rachel Levine and like,

00:22:15.760 well, I don't think we can take the United States seriously, which I think is fair.

00:22:22.700 Now, the USA Today is saying that it's not true that U.S. is threatening to cut off Uganda aid if it

00:22:30.800 doesn't legalize homosexuality. But their fact check was actually based on a 2014 law. They didn't even

00:22:38.200 acknowledge the current bill or what Corrine Jean-Pierre said in her press briefing. And so

00:22:45.880 I'm just not so sure that the USA Today is caught up on what's really going on. It does seem like

00:22:52.280 that's what the United States is saying. Uganda and the United States have been going back and forth

00:22:58.200 on this for a long time. It's so strange how this is such a high priority for the U.S. I want you to

00:23:04.280 stop and consider why that could possibly be. All right, I think that's all I have to say about the

00:23:21.020 Uganda stuff. Also, I've been wanting to talk about El Salvador. They've gotten really serious about

00:23:26.600 crying there. And of course, the American NGO world is decrying how mean they're being to these violent

00:23:33.400 and murderous and raping and trafficking gang members. This is what the U.S. does. Like our

00:23:40.520 activist class, our political class, their morality is so upside down and so warped that they are more

00:23:48.220 concerned with pushing depravity and pushing lawlessness in other countries than they are 0.95

00:23:54.320 actually fixing the real problems that we face. It's crazy. It's crazy. Okay, here's something that's

00:24:02.160 not crazy. Here's something that is extremely sane. And that is Rosaria Butterfield. She posted an

00:24:09.840 article yesterday in Reformation 21 titled, Why I No Longer Use Transgender Pronouns and Why You Shouldn't

00:24:18.500 Either. Oh, I was so excited to see this article. I love Rosaria Butterfield and the work that she has

00:24:24.560 contributed. If you don't know who she is, she is a woman who was a lesbian for her entire adult life.

00:24:33.940 She was a professor of queer theory. And so in that way, she was extremely progressive. And then she

00:24:41.680 became a Christian. When she became a Christian, she was, like all Christians are, she was called to

00:24:50.120 deny herself to take up her cross and to follow Christ. She became a new creation. She realized

00:24:55.020 that part of that was honoring God with her relationships, honoring God with her sexuality,

00:25:03.540 honoring God with her identity, with who she was. And so she actually left the partner that she had

00:25:12.000 been with, I think for 20 years, realizing that God was calling her to conform her life, to conform her

00:25:18.820 love with what the Bible says is good and right and true. As we've talked about many times, the Bible

00:25:24.240 is so crystal clear about gender and marriage. It's rooted in creation, Genesis 127. It's repeated

00:25:30.380 or reiterated throughout scripture, like honoring your father and mother. It's repeated by Jesus in

00:25:36.160 Matthew 19. It is representative of Christ in the church, as we read in Ephesians 5. And in that way,

00:25:42.440 it is reflective of the gospel. The Bible starts with a marriage in Genesis. It ends with a marriage

00:25:47.500 between Christ, the bridegroom, and church, the bride in Revelation. So the definition of marriage

00:25:53.340 is male and female has not only physical reproductive significance, but also has gospel

00:25:58.740 eternal significance. It's non-negotiable for the Christian. So Rosaria realizing that after she was

00:26:05.180 justified by Christ, after she was saved by grace through faith, through sanctification, God also

00:26:10.540 confronted her with this sin that she had to let go of. And so she's written a couple books about this.

00:26:16.480 She wrote what ended up being a viral response to Jen Hatmaker several years ago when Jen Hatmaker

00:26:22.600 came out and said, you know what? I'm a Christian that is pro-LGBTQ. Rosaria Butterfield said,

00:26:28.060 no, no, no, no, no. That is not how you love people. You don't affirm them in their sin. You

00:26:32.560 don't push them away from what God says is best for them. In that way, you're actually hating them.

00:26:37.940 You are actually harming them. She said several times that part of her testimony

00:26:41.760 is that the people who brought Christ to her, that they gained her trust by telling her the truth,

00:26:50.400 by telling her the truth, by refusing to lie to her. And so, however, because I think she is so

00:26:58.980 empathetic towards people who have been in that world, who are a part of that community,

00:27:03.740 because she believes so deeply in the importance of building relationships through kindness with

00:27:09.560 people who are not believers, she did kind of give in to this idea, which is propagated by people

00:27:17.300 like Preston Sprinkle, of so-called pronoun politeness. So using someone's stated pronouns

00:27:25.580 that oppose their biology, transgender pronouns, in an effort to connect with them, in an effort to

00:27:32.040 build a relationship with them. Now, we've been talking for several years on this show, and of course,

00:27:36.920 we're not the only ones who have said this, not the only Christians who have stated their belief

00:27:41.600 that using pronouns that you know, that you know do not correspond to that person's biology is a sin,

00:27:49.200 and ultimately it's unhelpful. If I know a man is a man who identifies as a woman, I am not going to call 0.99

00:27:57.740 him she, because I am not supposed to lie. And I care more about honoring God, who says very clearly

00:28:04.820 in Genesis 1, that he made them male and female than I do appeasing this person's feelings. And I do

00:28:10.860 believe that there is the possibility of having a kind conversation with that person, explaining why

00:28:18.020 you need to affirm the truth and why it's so important to affirm this very good and purposeful

00:28:23.300 reality that God made them male or female, made them in his image. He did not make a mistake when

00:28:29.200 they gave, when he gave them their chromosomes, whatever they may be. And so you have to affirm

00:28:34.700 that reality, affirming that goodness of them being made in God's image and affirming the fact

00:28:39.760 that their body is good. So we have been on that page for a very long time, but there have been

00:28:44.740 people like Preston Sprinkle, like several others, and I guess Rosaria Butterfield, who said, no, no,

00:28:49.240 no, to be kind, to be nice, to try to get my foot in the door, I am going to use preferred

00:28:54.980 pronouns. So she now, though, realizes that that is a sin. That's what she calls it. She calls it a

00:29:03.240 sin. And she is publicly repenting of that sin and praise God that she has the humility and the

00:29:09.040 strength to do that, that she is so sure of her identity and security in Christ that she's not

00:29:14.220 afraid of people criticizing her or saying, how could you make that mistake? More of us need to have that

00:29:19.240 humility and confidence in Christ to be able to do that. So she says that her use of transgendered

00:29:28.540 pronouns recently, up until recently, was not a mistake. It was sin. Public sin requires public

00:29:34.760 repentance, not just course correction. I publicly sinned on the issue of transgender pronouns, which 0.87

00:29:40.000 I've carelessly used in books and articles. I've publicly sinned by advocating for the use of

00:29:45.160 transgender pronouns in interviews and public Q&As. She says, why did I do this? I have a bunch of lame 1.00

00:29:51.440 and backside covering excuses. Here are a few. It was a carryover from my gay activist days. She said,

00:29:56.820 I wanted to meet everyone where they were and do nothing to provoke insult. She said, getting this

00:30:02.920 wrong is not a matter of personal liberty. How is using transgender pronouns sinful? You might ask.

00:30:10.300 She says, using transgender pronouns is a sin against the ninth commandment and encourages people 1.00

00:30:15.380 to sin against the tenth commandment. Using transgender pronouns is a sin against the creation

00:30:20.900 ordinance. Using transgender pronouns is a sin against image bearing. It discourages a believer's

00:30:27.140 progressive sanctification and falsifies the gospel. It cheapens redemption. It tramples on the blood of

00:30:33.920 Christ. Using transgender pronouns fails to love my neighbor as myself. It fails to offer genuine

00:30:39.840 Christian hospitality and Christian hospitality and instead yields the definition of hospitality to

00:30:44.160 liberal communitarianism, identity politics, and human flourishing. It's a sin because the Bible 0.99

00:30:52.460 defines it as sin. Sin does not lose its evil because of our good intentions or the personal sensibilities

00:30:57.900 of others. Changing cultural forces can bring sin into fresh light, but a renewed focus is no excuse for

00:31:05.360 sin and no dodge for repentance. Not for a real Christian. She says, so I repent. And then she calls out

00:31:13.720 some Christians who have been saying the opposite. And I'll get to that in just one second.

00:31:19.300 She says, psychologist Mark Yarhouse and author Preston Sprinkle summarized the Christian case

00:31:36.100 for transgender pronouns. They believe using transgender pronouns is respectful of one's

00:31:40.700 chosen identity. It's kind and courteous and necessary for continuing a relationship with a

00:31:45.080 transgender person. I once simply said all these things too, but this position makes no Christian 0.96

00:31:50.320 sense. Yes, and amen, Rosaria Butterfield. And how sad is it that our like smartest public Christians

00:31:57.900 can't wrap their head around this? But I mean, gosh, we all need grace because there are all

00:32:04.040 misunderstandings. I mean, there are many misunderstandings that all of us have. So I shouldn't,

00:32:09.380 I'm trying not to issue criticism in that way. But when someone like Preston Sprinkle

00:32:13.720 builds his platform on this lie and deceives so many Christians into believing that lying 0.54

00:32:19.000 is loving, then I think I am justified in taking issue with it. But it is, it's just hard for me

00:32:25.660 to understand how Christians who love Jesus, who know their Bible cannot see so obviously that this 0.97

00:32:31.100 is a lie and harmful. She says, does any real Christian believe crafting a relationship on falsehood 0.78

00:32:36.420 will give the gospel a better hearing? Let me read that again. Does any real Christian believe? 1.00

00:32:43.720 Crafting a relationship on falsehood will give the gospel a better hearing? And is that how people

00:32:51.500 are converted? By meeting God on sin's terms? And hearing nice things about themselves?

00:33:02.000 Wow. Christian author and counselor Laura Perry Smalt offers a different perspective. In her past,

00:33:07.520 she lived as a so-called transgendered man and called herself Jake. She went through the whole

00:33:13.000 transition process. And she said that in her book, Transgender Transformed, the opposite approach to

00:33:22.640 what Preston Sprinkle offers is actually what worked for her. She said, when the Lord enlivened her heart

00:33:30.160 and mind with the gospel, she returned to the church of her youth and her conservative Christian parents.

00:33:34.460 Her church and parents had refused to use her preferred pronouns throughout all the years she

00:33:39.400 lived and the false identity of transgenderism. Why did she return to them? Listen to this. 1.00

00:33:45.640 Their refusal to lie compelled her trust. Preston Sprinkle, Mark Yarhouse, David French,

00:33:53.400 Revoice, Side B Christianity, and any para-church ministry that elevates being winsome as the end game

00:34:01.040 provide useful examples to defy. They nod in the direction of traditional values, but then swap

00:34:08.120 biblical clarity for postmodern pluralism, thus burning to the ground in a legitimate theological

00:34:14.600 bridge to gospel grace. Transgenderism, she says, is satanic. We who once promoted quote-unquote 0.97

00:34:22.640 pronoun hospitality lent false credibility to a wolfish theology that fails to protect the sheep.

00:34:29.780 Instead, it eats them alive. Here's what she says. Do you love your neighbor? Do you love your Lord?

00:34:38.420 Do you believe that Jesus alone is the way, the truth, and the life? John 14, 6. Does Jesus save us

00:34:44.060 from our sins? Do we delegate this task to the priests of our day? Or do we delegate this task to the

00:34:50.120 priests of our day? The therapists. Do you know the difference between making false friends and loving

00:34:56.760 your enemies? And then she goes on to say, if you want to make false friends that will never truly

00:35:04.100 convert to Christianity or understand the gospel and the goodness of the word for what it is, then

00:35:09.020 continue to lie to them. So she has repented and God has forgiven her of this sin. May we all have such

00:35:21.580 strength and humility to be willing to publicly repent for public sins. And you know, maybe the

00:35:26.860 Lord allowed her to be deceived in this way for a period of time so that now she could show an

00:35:34.580 example to all of us of what it looks like to then stand for truth and repent. I hope the people that

00:35:40.920 she calls out in this article, like Preston Sprinkle and others, who I believe probably do have good

00:35:46.140 intentions and who I believe love Jesus and know their Bibles, may they pay attention to this. May

00:35:52.040 they pay attention to this and change course. We should have nothing to do with this destructive

00:35:56.700 ideology. Remember, Christian, you cannot outlove God. God is love. 1 John 4, 8. He made us male and

00:36:04.020 female. Genesis 1, 27. We are not love. Therefore, we will never outlove God by disagreeing with him. The most

00:36:12.920 loving thing that we can always do is agree with God. God is not too harsh. God doesn't need to be

00:36:20.420 nuanced. His word doesn't need to be negotiated. It doesn't need to be softened. It doesn't need to be

00:36:25.580 made less blunt. We don't need to apologize for God. We don't need to cover up what God really says

00:36:33.340 in the hopes that our obfuscating will maybe be winsome enough to win people to the gospel. That is

00:36:41.760 worshiping the God of self, not the God of scripture. We can do this in kindness and love, but we should

00:36:47.120 absolutely be firm and clear on the truth, knowing that God's truth is the most loving thing in all

00:36:53.440 existence. Okay, that's all we've got for today. Man, there's a lot more that I could say on that.

00:37:11.620 I know that there are a lot of questions too about the use of pronouns. How do you handle this with

00:37:15.640 friends? How do you handle this with a loved one? How do you handle this in the workplace? How do you

00:37:20.580 handle this if you're a school teacher? And there are actual repercussions for all of that. And we've

00:37:26.200 talked about that before, and I will try to get into that more because I think that there are some

00:37:30.880 specific advice that I could give and that others have given. If it's a personal relationship,

00:37:35.560 I think you sit down with them and you say, I love you. I love God more. But because I love you

00:37:41.600 and God, and I believe this is what God's word says, and there's no biblical category for gender

00:37:46.760 identity that is detached from sex. And because biology is not bigotry, and God made you and your

00:37:53.100 body purposely, I am going to call you by the name and the pronouns that correspond with that good,

00:38:00.140 purposeful, intentional reality. I think calling someone by a different name is less troublesome

00:38:05.060 and less lying than calling someone by different pronouns that don't correspond to their sex. But

00:38:11.940 there's some debate about whether or not that is compromised. But speak the truth in love. And I mean,

00:38:18.640 as Sultan Heitzen said, if there's one thing that we can do in the face of this revolution that is based

00:38:25.280 on lies, it is to not lie. Just choose not to lie. If that's all you can do, do not lie. That's what

00:38:33.700 Christians have been doing, as we talked about yesterday for 2,000 years. You are not going to 1.00

00:38:38.440 love someone into the gospel, into Christianity by lying, by affirming their sin. So let's be bold 0.93

00:38:46.720 in representing what is good and right and true to the best of our ability and the kindest ways that we

00:38:52.520 possibly can. But just know, even if your tone is perfect, even if you're as kind and as gentle as

00:38:57.040 possible, someone who is lost is still going to see the truth as mean. They're still going to tone

00:39:02.600 police you. They're still going to say that you didn't say it correctly. But that's just because

00:39:06.640 they love their sin. So don't be discouraged by that. Just ask for wisdom and strength from the

00:39:11.680 Holy Spirit and do the best you can. All right, guys. Remember to check out our merch. Leave a five-star

00:39:17.540 review. I think that's all I got to say today. And we will be back here tomorrow with Steve Dace.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 04, 2023

Ep 782 ｜ 'Pronoun Hospitality' Is Sin： Rosaria Butterfield’s Confession

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