Ep 783 ｜ Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency？ ｜ Guest： Steve Deace
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Trump has pled not guilty to 34 felony counts of falsifying documents. What does this mean for the future of our country? My Blaze TV colleague Steve Dacey is here to break it down for us both politically and theologically. Then he tells us about his new film, which I am so excited about, called Nefarious. And he'll talk about why this film is so important for the moment we re in.
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Donald Trump was arrested this week, and he has just pled not guilty to 34 felony counts
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of falsifying documents. What does this really mean for the future of our country? My Blaze TV
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colleague Steve Dace and one of my favorite guests is here to break it down for us both politically
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and theologically. Then he'll tell us about his new film, which I am so excited about. It's called
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Nefarious, and he'll talk about why this film is so important for the moment we're in. I'll give
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my review, too, since I saw it last night. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good
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Steve Dace, thanks so much for joining us again. Anytime, you bet. This time on the white couch.
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All right, let's talk about Trump and the latest. I just want to get your full take on that and your
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full explanation of what happened. We haven't spent too much time, a little bit of time on two
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episodes talking about this. But the latest is that Trump pleads not guilty to 34 felony counts
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of falsifying business records. Obviously, a little bit of background. This is coming from the Manhattan
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DA, Alvin Bragg, who apparently doesn't have any better thing to do with his time. And so Trump was
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being arrested, being indicted. What the heck? What, what, what, what is going on?
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I mean, this is just an escalation of what we have seen over the last several years.
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I disagree with the idea that the arrest and indictment of Donald Trump is a new day for
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America's justice system. I think it is actually the crowning achievement of what already changed in
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America's justice system. I mean, we saw people who went to work for him, either on the campaign or on
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the staff at the, in, in the white house. We saw open lawfare raged against them. We have seen since
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January 6th, nonviolent Donald Trump supporters just remain indefinitely detained. Now they just
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arrested like a grandmother. I think it was last week I read. And so they've just been let, left to
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rot. I mean, the Mark Houck case and the guy who, you know, was trying to defend his family,
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the pro-life activist, and they tried to put him behind bars. So this is, so they kind of worked
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their way up, right? They started with the staff and the support team. Then they went to the supporters
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and now they, they went to the big man himself. And I, I think that, and you know, this won't make a lot
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of people happy, what I'm about to say, but I'm used to that. So it hasn't deterred me before. We are,
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we are not a nation of laws and we never have been. We're a nation of political will and we always
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will be. I don't think anybody's analysis of the indictment and, and a good buddy of mine is a very
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accomplished criminal defense attorney, hardcore right-winger in another state. I had him analyze
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the indictment for me yesterday while we were doing the premiere for Nefarious because I wasn't
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going to have time. And so I'll go over all that with my audience, but the reality is, and I'll only
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do it just because it's, you know, the responsible thing to do, but the truth of the matter is it's
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irrelevant. There is no legal analysis that matters. Here's all, because this isn't a legal
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proceeding. It's a political one. And here's all that matters. 12% of Manhattan voted for Donald
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Trump in the 2024 or 2020 election, 12. It is from that pool of people that the jury was created to
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come up with these indictments. It is from that exact same pool of people, Allie, that the jury that
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will convict him later, they will, they will, this trial is already over. Does it essentially all his
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attorneys are doing are, are, are trying to come up with, um, appeal, um, rationales, uh, in, in, in
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higher level appellate courts in the hopes that they can actually come up with, this is a sham
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proceeding. What are we doing here? Um, because there's just, there, it would take a miracle to find a
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jury in a pool in that pool of people that would look at this case objectively. And I don't even think
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this is the first time we're going to do this. I mean, we have the case in Georgia where the jury
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foreman said, well, I just voted to indict because they told me I'd get to swear Donald Trump in.
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I mean, this is, this is hat tip, Dave Reboy, late Republic nonsense. We are in the, the death
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throes of a civilization here. Uh, we're on the, the lip of Romans one, uh, and, and we're diving into
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the mouth of madness. And this stuff is only going to get crazier as a result because we're,
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we're in revival or bust territory. So, um, there's, there's a lot of people in our business
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today that are going to make a gazillion bucks on clicks singing the siren song to our audience
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that this will clinch a landslide election for Donald Trump in 2024. And they're going to tell
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you that the very day after last night in a must win state, Wisconsin, they put a George Soros
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acolyte on the state Supreme court by popular vote, by popular vote. And so I, you know,
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my, my affliction is I like living in this place called reality. I, I, I need to know what is true,
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even if it's not comfortable for me, even if it's not the truth that I would like, um, it's not the
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truth that I would prefer. Um, I would just always rather to whether know what is true rather than what
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is deception. And I think on the right, you know, you are last night, Donald Trump's campaign team
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is selling t-shirts with his mugshot on the other side, they're putting a, a, a, you know, a Soros,
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uh, acolyte on the state Supreme court. That is a perfect snapshot of, of, of the last 30 years of
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the Democrat Republican duopoly. Republicans are an industry. Democrats are a movement and throughout
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history, movements always crush industries because they have the true conviction. They have a
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motivation beyond, Hey, what's just a bottom line outcome that is favorable to me.
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Yeah. The side that wants to win will always be the side that just wants to get along or the side
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that just wants to be left alone or the side that wants to just sell t-shirts. And I, that's a perfect
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transition because that's exactly what I wanted to talk to you about. Um, Janet, let's see if I can get
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this right. Protus, uh, Protusawitz, Protusawitz, I think that's her last name. Better you than me.
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Something, but she is Soros backed and she's had a lot of radical agenda items on her list,
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like getting rid of voter ID. This is obviously big for the abortion issue. Wisconsin is a swing
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state. And so you're right. I've seen all of these, um, you know, Donald Trump supporters,
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and that's not to say that I'm not a supporter in my own way, but you know, the ride or die MAGA
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people saying, wow, you know, it's actually because the opponent in Wisconsin, Dan Kelly,
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wasn't MAGA enough. He didn't kiss the ring of Trump enough. It's because he wasn't Trumpian
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enough. And that's why this radical Soros back, backed woman won. That doesn't make a whole lot
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of sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's like they're living in an alternate reality. And I said
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this and I knew that I would get some pushback on it on YouTube and then on Twitter yesterday. But
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just in talking to my audience and the demographic that I represent, so say Christian Republican
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voting women ages 25 to 45, when I'm talking to them, which is a lot about what do you care about?
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What do you want me to talk about? What are you worried about? What are you concerned about?
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Just to be honest, and I'm not saying that this is right or wrong. It's not Trump. It's actually not
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Trump's indictment. And that's not to say it's not a big deal, but they're still just worried about
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the things that affect their kids, that affect them, this culture war stuff. The left understands
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that about their people. That's why they're constantly waging the culture war, the moral
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war, the sexual war. They're not worried about that at all. They're out there winning elections,
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like you said, that champion their culture war issues. Whereas the right, I mean, I think a lot
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of times they feel like the people in power, like they don't really have a champion. They don't have
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anyone that is truly connected to their concerns. And Trump being indicted to them, it doesn't move
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the needle in the direction of voting for him in the next election. It really doesn't, because
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they're looking for a champion. They might have liked him, but look, he's still old. He now has a
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personal axe to grind. That's not necessarily what they're looking for in a president. They're still
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looking for a culture warrior, which you can find elsewhere. I think that one of the, last time we
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saw each other was election night here. And I mean, I came in the Tiger Woods red shirt. I had the
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Tobocorn brought in. I mean, you know, I'm a hardcore data guy, hardcore analysis guy. I mean, I was
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convinced, all right, he's not on the ballot. So the white suburban woman who was like, I'll surrender
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America to make the mean tweets go away that we apparently saw in the 2020 election has no more
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excuses. All right. And you're watching them pedo groom your kids at the library and the schools and
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every television show on Disney just about. This is the moment now where finally, like 1994, which was
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30 years ago. Yeah. All right. The last remnant of the silent majority will rise up and say and
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push back against this. And man, I was convinced, convinced it was going to go down. And I sat there and
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watched those returns come in throughout the course of that night getting increasingly dejected. And so
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the message to me was sent that the cavalry isn't coming. The cavalry is the only thing left now.
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Yeah. All right. We are in revival or bust. There is no layer of American that's like generically with
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this, but not really engaged who like can be outraged enough into joining with us to push this
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back. If, because the idea that I'm going to watch them groom my kids and that's not going to move me
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to vote, but what's likely an unjust persecution of a billionaire who, for paying hush money to a
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porn star that I already didn't like. That's the one now, now, and now it, now it brings, now it comes
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home to me. I mean, I was pushing back on that narrative right away. And if, if, if we can speak
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about this theologically for a second, I think what you're watching, and this is the best we can
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do without God, this is the best we can do. America is no longer Republicans and Democrats
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politically. It has broken down in, in, in a very, it's almost, it's very Roman into a battle of
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dueling, D-U-E-L, dueling political cults. Um, and they're both Roman in nature. Um, the, the,
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the first one is the, the Nero cult, the spirit of the age is what I call it on my show, or our
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colleague Oran McIntyre refers to it as the total state. The state is God. The state has replaced the
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church. Government is God. Um, government is in whom we live and breathe. I will comply with government
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edicts to, you know, that's that. And, and historically that is always the most dangerous cult.
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Whenever the state is weaponized to God-like status, more people die from that than anything
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else. All right. That, and so that is the, that's the, by far historically and imminently
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the preeminent threat we face, but we are trying to fight it with another Roman cult, the hero cult.
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And Trump taps into this when he says things like I alone can solve. If this happens to me,
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it destroys the country. I mean, listen, I thought that I think what's going on in New York is a
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complete and total sham. It's funny though. I still drove from my hotel over here this morning
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and people still went to work. It wasn't, people didn't, you know, life goes on. You know what I'm
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saying? My family's still pissed off that they're delayed at the airport. They weren't like, you know
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what? We don't have time to focus on the fact our airport's late. Donald Trump got indicted. I mean,
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it's just, but, but we, we need that hero. Okay. And so this Trump is Julius Caesar. He's the only one
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that can beat back the invaders, give him the keys to the city. All right. Here's the problem.
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Caesar never gave back the keys to the city. Right. Okay. Um, and, and so that's essentially
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what's going on is that you have the spirit of the age cult and then you have the hero cult.
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And, and so for the last few years, there's a lot of conservative media. I mean, I did, I interviewed
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a January 6th or from his, from federal penitentiary just a few months ago. And that's finally what got me
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on the, the, the radar of the news guards and those kinds of people trying to get me canceled
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was daring to step on that shibboleth. Okay. But for the last few years, those, the actual Trump
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supporters don't matter. They were left behind to rot for the last few years in those jail cells
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and barely got talked about, barely got spoken about. They don't matter. Okay. The suffering of
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actual Trump supporters, 10,000 small and family businesses alley were permanently erased by the
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lockdowns he initiated. The suffering of actual Trump supporters doesn't matter. Only the suffering of
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Mr. Trump, that is a cesarean cult. And that's not populism. That's not where he is a vessel for you.
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That's the point that I was trying to make yesterday is that I don't want, and I think a lot of people
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that I've talked to don't want someone with only a personal ax to grind. Okay. I heard some people
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say, well, his personal ax to grind is also my ax to grind. I, you know, I really want him to go in
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there and destroy the powers that be. But I mean, he did it last time. And I say that as someone who
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voted for Donald Trump twice, who was very thankful for a lot of the things he did, probably the greatest
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pro-life champion that we've ever had in the presidential office, even more than Ronald Reagan,
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if you're looking at actual policy. So I'm very thankful for that. But I don't really want someone
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whose agenda centers on him and getting people back for what they did to him. Yes, there could be,
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sorry, some trickle down effect positively for us, but not enough. Like, I really want someone who's
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not thinking about themselves at all, who was only thinking about us. And by the way, like Trump is
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someone who is, you know, going to log cabin Republican, you know, celebrations. They did that
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over Christmas at Mar-a-Lago, actually. Yes. And things like that. So I'm like, look, I don't even
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know if we're necessarily in line. Are you going to fight the battles that I really think need to be
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fought? I just, I don't know. And I think a lot of Christian women, and I'm not talking about the
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Christian women who didn't vote for him, who are like, oh, whatever, you know, I'll just vote Democrat.
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I'm talking about my group. I think they want someone even stronger, someone with a better
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vision, a bigger vision than himself. So I think you're right. I think that right now,
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I wouldn't even wager he'll be on a ballot. Do you think he's going to prison?
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I think it is. I think you should, we're in an age where, I mean, look at what we've seen the last
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few years. Look at what we've seen from, I mean, Rasmussen came out with a poll over the weekend
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and they're one of the most accurate pollsters of the last few years. You know, I keep track of
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this stuff. Yeah. They are. 11% of American households believe someone in their home died
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of COVID. Wow. 10% of American households believe someone in their home died of the COVID vaccine.
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That was a Rasmussen poll that came out last weekend. The idea that you couldn't,
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wouldn't be able to take your children to school without a mask. The idea that you couldn't serve
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in the military unless you took an experimental injection and that they would just completely
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ignore the escalating risk factors within their own epidemiological database. That we just open
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the Southern border and let it be a fentanyl human trafficking trading post, essentially.
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We just let Chinese spy balloons just meander over the skies.
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Yeah. I joke about it. Yeah. The pop, the populist Republican president would say,
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let's decide which businesses are essential or non-essential. And only the big box stores
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are essential. Your mom and pop stand isn't. I mean, the stuff that we have been through the
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last few years, I think we should put everything on the table and we need to, you need to see your
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enemy. I see, we're still fighting a political fight. We're over here acting, you know, looking ahead
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to the next election. They made up 34 felony counts yesterday in a court of law. And of,
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and of all the, the, I think there's four or five of these criminal proceedings going on against him
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right now. This is the weakest one. Like if, if I'm Merrick Garland and I think I've got him dead to
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rights on holding classified documentation and I, you know, which is another sham, but I'm again,
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look at it the way that people who are going to make these decisions are looking at it. Not the way
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we look at it, look at it the way they do. If I'm Merrick Garland and I'm like, Hey man,
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if this Manhattan DA is going to put on 34 felony counts for whether he paid hush money to a porn
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star, what am I going to do down here for on a federal level for mishandling of classified
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documents? You know what I'm saying? I mean, if that's the baseline, if that's the new political
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baseline, not legal, this is none of these are legal proceedings. If that's the new political
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baseline for the, where the Overton window is now, if you're Merrick Garland, you're like,
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well, hell man, let's just go ahead and try them for treason while we're at it.
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I think you're looking at a year of, of, of, of court proceedings. I think that they did this
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and they did this with issues and now they're going to do it with our, with our people.
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They're going to say, we'll do whatever we want. And we dare you to go find an appellate court or
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the Supreme court later to say, we can't do that. I mean, poor Jack in Denver is on how many,
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was this his fourth case now going to the Supreme court? They keep, they keep coming after him,
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even though they keep losing. Why we dare you to beat us again, because there's a level,
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there's a, there's a mob outside lots house level of commitment there. And so I think the idea that
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I wouldn't be looking at any polls or anything of that nature. You need to ask yourself a serious
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question. Are, is he going to legally be on a ballot? Like, could they put, could they stretch
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this out so that in certain States there's an injunction against him running and he couldn't
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get the delegates necessary according to GOP bylaws to become the nominee? I think you, I think
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you need to understand this is a brave new world and it has been for a while. Okay. And it's because
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nothing, it's because nobody got punished for what they tried to do. Brett Kavanaugh, nobody got
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punished for what they tried to do with Russian collusion. Nobody got punished for what they did
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in the 2020 election. I mean, most of the people that did the worst acts during COVID all got reelected.
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Okay. No one's been punished for anything. And so they're just going to continue to ramp this up.
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So here's my question, because you said two things that I agree with. And I wonder if they,
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if you believe that they go hand in hand, or if they're somehow opposed to each other,
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because you've talked about how the right is kind of erroneously looking to the next election. We're
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looking for some kind of political salvation. And yet you have said, and I think correctly,
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that this is no longer a nation of laws. It's a nation of political will. And the things that you
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just listed that, okay, no one's getting punished for these things, not to mention the corruption that
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pre-existed 2016. If you're looking at someone like Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi, how they've lined
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their pockets, Eric Swalwell, I mean, Adam, all of these people, either pre-2016 or in the past few
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years, absolutely have done things that are legally questionable. So the political will
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sides almost entirely on the left, at least on the federal level. We're seeing some changes when it
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comes to some really strong Republican governors. But so on the one hand, it does seem like there
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seems like there needs to be a political power correction made by Republicans. Like, for example,
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like, why isn't there any retaliation when it comes to what's happening to Trump? Why isn't there some
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kind of DA somewhere in a Republican state saying, okay, let's bring it Hunter Biden. We've got enough
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here. Like, why don't we do something similar? But then on the other hand, you're saying, well, this is
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spiritual, right? This is more of a, like, revival or bust type thing. I just happen to agree with
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both of those, but I don't know necessarily how those wed together. Does that all make sense?
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It absolutely makes sense. I mean, two, two Saturdays ago, Twitter became an apocalyptic
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wasteland that if Ron DeSantis did not offer extradition protection for Donald Trump, this was
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the end of America. Yeah. And he ended up doing that, right?
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But he, I argued on my podcast that he couldn't really do that. Well, I would argue that the
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social compact is broken. So you can kind of do whatever you want to. I mean, it's the wild
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West. I'm not, I love the constitution. It's not a suicide pact. Yeah. Like I'm not going to hold
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myself to it. The constitution is a social compact. There are very few people and only on one side
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that really care about it. And so this is a little bit like, hey dude, she left you. She's doing,
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she's on OnlyFans and she's been gone for three years. She's not coming back.
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The marriage compact between the two of you is broken. Move on, brah. Okay. That's kind
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of what the constitution is at this point. We want to like hold ourselves accountable
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to a document that they have already shredded figuratively and literally. And so there's
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no way to enforce it because half of the social compact won't abide by it. So all your, all
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your, it's a self-limiting principle. So it's, it's a little bit, I made the same argument
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about Trump and Pence. I mean, I, I don't believe that Pence had the right to uphold, to withhold
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the election, to not certify the election. Should have done it anyway because the thing
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was a crock. All right. I mean, I, when, when, when you violate a norm of that magnitude,
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for example, I don't have a right, if I'm angry with you, I don't have a right as a private
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citizen to shoot you. Right. But when you take your grievance against me into my home
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and threaten my person and my family with it, the social compact makes an exception and
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says, now you do. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because you have crossed a line here
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that is, that is not how we are to behave with one another. If we are living in community
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with one another, they've crossed that line like four, 666 times. Yeah. And we barely
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crossed it at all. Ironically, especially in Alvin Bragg's district, you can't really
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defend yourself without facing charges of attempted murder, which has happened multiple times
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there. So, so DeSantis grants him the protection. Yeah.
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And so Trump didn't, right? No, he did not. He, he extradited himself.
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Trump is still campa, he is using this all as a campaign against DeSantis, by the way.
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And DeSantis, I think, understands that, is really trying to walk the line, which I feel
00:22:07.980
for him. I feel for Donald Trump, honestly, just like personally, in a lot of ways, it makes
00:22:12.580
me sad to see this happening to him. I also feel for DeSantis in a political sense, this
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is, this is tough. He's being unfairly kind of pushed into this. And I think he's, he's
00:22:27.900
See, I would have, I would have actually, let's do a better hero cult. If I were running
00:22:32.860
Donald Trump's operation, I said, Hey, got junior in Florida having my back. Cause he
00:22:36.600
knows what time it is. All right. Let's have all these other Republican governors. I'm going
00:22:40.240
to come to your state and do a rally. They're going to try to extradite me for a sham. Are
00:22:44.440
you going to allow them to do that in your state? Let's put them all to the loyalty
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test. Yeah. And see, see, that's the thing. If we're going to have a hero cult, if we're
00:22:50.760
going to have a Julius Caesar hero cult, then let's lay waste to the enemy with it. I mean,
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Caesar did protect the city. That's why they gave him the key. Okay. Let's not just sell,
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let's just not sell freaking t-shirts. Let's just not have, Hey, let's turn this into a fundraiser.
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Okay. I mean, is it, is it, is this, is it, is the, is the, is your hero cult really for
00:23:09.820
a grift or are we going to, if we're going to just be a hero cult, fine, let's be a really
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good one. Then let's earn all that animosity. Let's earn all those. If Donald Trump, if Donald
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Trump put all Republican governors to the loyalty test and said, I'm coming to your state, I dare
00:23:25.160
you to let him extradite me in your state and show your people what a coward you are. Would
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they call him, they call them all the same names and say all the same things about him. They're
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already saying now. And so that's, this, that's been my issue with this era is in the end,
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overall, it comes down to being about him. And in the end, it comes down to, we're going
00:23:44.900
to sell t-shirts and we're going to raise $8 million as opposed to actually putting on
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an exercise that punishes these people. And that's, and that's, that's why we're going
00:23:55.300
to lose on the, on the trajectory we're on. That's what he, he won one election. This doesn't
00:24:00.680
get said enough. He won one election by 78,000 total votes in four States. Miraculate total,
00:24:05.920
not like in each state, total votes in the four most decisive States. Since then, people
00:24:12.260
watched the Kavanaugh scam. People won't put up with that. They turn around and we lost 40
00:24:16.780
house seats in the very, like a month later. It wasn't even like they, they forgot about
00:24:20.560
it. The Kavanaugh stuff went down in August of 2018. A month later, there was an election.
00:24:25.800
Democrats gained 40 house seats. All right. Then there's the infamous 2020 election. Then he's
00:24:30.940
not even on the ballot and the issues are even starker. They've grown even more radical
00:24:34.860
on the other side. This, that was an overwhelmingly status quo incumbent, pro-incumbent election
00:24:39.680
in the last three elections since Trump got in the white house. So when Trump took over
00:24:44.660
in January of 2017, Republicans, or there were the fewest amount of elected Democrats in
00:24:49.380
America than there had been since before the great depression, a hundred years. Since the
00:24:53.820
2016 election, Republicans are minus 21 in us congressmen, minus eight in governors, minus
00:25:00.560
three in us senators. Now there's a lot of people to blame for this. Okay. Including people
00:25:06.380
like Mitch McConnell and everything who were in power before Trump got here, but it's very
00:25:11.160
obvious. Now, maybe there is no, there is no path that we could show people politically.
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Maybe there isn't a better way to do it. I don't know. What I do know though, is the current
00:25:19.740
path of the choices, technocratic soulless Republicans like Mitch McConnell, who don't care about
00:25:24.580
anything other than corporate grift and globalism or Donald Trump's personal grievances. Here's what
00:25:30.120
the data shows. The American people don't care about either one of those things. They're not
00:25:36.060
interested in voting for either one of them in mass. That has been clearly demonstrated.
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That's the data. That's all that's, that's all that matters in the end.
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And to kind of bring it back to the question, I was thinking as you were talking about King
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Josiah and how King Josiah, when he came into office, the young king started at eight. I think
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it was a few years later, but still very young when he laid waste to all the idols. And look,
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before anyone calls me out, I'm not saying that America is Israel. I'm not saying that we're
00:26:13.340
looking necessarily for King Josiah. I'm looking, I'm looking at that as an example of a combination
00:26:18.560
of political will and spiritual revival. I do think spiritual revival is fundamental and
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absolutely necessary for things to change long-term. Well, who inspired King Josiah.
00:26:28.160
Exactly. The priest, Hilkiah, went to him and said, I have found the law of God. We are not
00:26:32.320
following it. So it is a both and. And so I think spiritual revival and spiritual change can motivate
00:26:38.840
leaders to make good changes. But look, I always say that culture is downstream from politics or
00:26:45.020
politics is downstream from culture and culture is downstream from theology. But there is the power
00:26:50.360
of political will and policy change that can actually move the needle. Like if you look at
00:26:56.120
gay marriage, for example, it was the law that changed before the majority of Americans decided
00:27:00.540
they were in favor of it. A burger fell happened when still 60% of Americans said that they weren't
00:27:05.460
in favor of gay marriage. So there's something to be said about someone getting in power, making
00:27:10.380
decisions and saying, no, we're going to go this direction that actually pulls the Overton window back
00:27:15.900
over. Now that's going to be really difficult when this whole like drag queen in front of kids
00:27:21.100
started circulating on Twitter and everything. I so foolishly and naively said, oh, let's see
00:27:27.260
Democrats defend this. They're never going to be able to defend this. I did too. Well, it went,
00:27:32.320
you know, naturally that's not happening. And now we're in the, it's good that it is happening.
00:27:36.660
It needs to happen all the more. It needs to happen so much more. And the country music awards,
00:27:41.220
we're going to celebrate that. And so I am so naive, I guess, or I was, but now I realize it's
00:27:47.260
going to take a really, really strong movement, not industry, as you said, to push the Overton
00:27:54.240
window back over, which as you said, is completely impossible without an accompanying revival and heart
00:28:02.880
of repentance. I want to address the politics as flows down because that's the Andrew Breitbart
00:28:06.660
maxim. And, um, it's, it's brilliant and it's true, but it's, it's true for us. It's not true
00:28:12.180
on the left. Yes. On the, on the, on the left, when they get elected, they don't care what culture
00:28:17.700
does. They do what they believe and culture moves on the politics is downstream from culture on the
00:28:23.700
right. It took 30 years to get Republicans to actually pass meaningful pro-life legislation.
00:28:29.420
People, people in audiences like ours did all the heavy lifting. And now suddenly every,
00:28:33.760
even the rhino governor of Indiana, okay. Who sucks on every, every imaginable piece of policy
00:28:40.780
you care about, signed pro-life legislation. Right. And so what on the right, that is how it
00:28:46.380
works. We have to, we have to terraform culture. We have to move heaven and earth. Okay. To make it
00:28:51.900
so simple that now all the 49 years, we have to do that. Yes. That they don't even have to frost the
00:28:57.040
cake. Like literally we will frost the cake. We will buy the frosting. Can you put the, the for sale
00:29:02.240
thing inside the cake after we do all the work and put it in the display? That's how it works on the
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right. All right. And they still don't do it. Now in Florida, what you've seen is an interesting
00:29:11.360
example of how the left operates. Yeah. He just, he just executes power and I'm going to do what I
00:29:16.880
think is right. I won by 30,000 votes. I don't care what the polls say. I'm going to do what I
00:29:20.440
think is right. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. And what's happened is you've watched now the
00:29:24.100
fulcrum of a state culturally move to the right as a result of that. And that happened in one term
00:29:30.500
because he actually governs the way Democrats do. All right. You come against me, I'll punish you.
00:29:35.420
I'm just going to act. All right. You don't do what I want. I'll fire you. I'll replace you.
00:29:39.300
I'm just going to act. And then I'm not, I'm not going to bellow. I'm not going to tweet. I'm not
00:29:42.840
going to threaten. I'm not going to do new shows. I'm not going to debate it so that you have time
00:29:46.460
to gin up new cycles and weeks and months worth of resistance. I'm just going to act and make it
00:29:52.400
normal. And now you're on defense and that's what they have done to us for decades. And I think that
00:29:59.040
they're drastically, the country dramatically needs a generational changeover. You know, I mean,
00:30:06.020
the boomer generation has been collectively the most destructive generation in American history
00:30:12.920
from the birth of the counterculture. And now it won't let go. Think of how many of our great
00:30:17.620
evangelical ministers are in their eighties and you don't know who their successor at their ministry
00:30:21.640
is. As soon as I say that, you have names in the back of your head. You know who I'm talking about.
00:30:24.720
I thought of two people immediately. And they're great men of God, but you have no, who are, do you
00:30:28.980
know who they're, who they've been mentoring to take over? Do you have any clue? We don't know.
00:30:33.040
What's the next generation of leadership that we have been, nothing. They won't let, do you know
00:30:37.340
the Rolling Stones are going to go tour again this summer? They buried their 81 year old drummer. I
00:30:42.780
think it was a year ago, Charlie, whatever his name is. All right. And they're going, I mean,
00:30:46.600
this as a generation, they will not move on. Yeah. And we don't offer that many good
00:30:53.120
replacements. No, we don't. Which is probably why they have anxiety about that.
00:30:56.880
And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won't group replacements. So they won't leave room for
00:31:00.780
replacements. And we don't have many replacements. And then they don't want to let go because they
00:31:05.000
see the lack of replacements. And so on and on and on and on and on it goes. And that's,
00:31:09.600
that's a major problem that we have on a cultural level right now, generationally.
00:31:23.120
Well, you selfishly have to go prepare for your show. So I'm going to have to let you go. But I
00:31:33.100
want to give you the next few minutes to talk about your movie, which is coming out April 14th. I saw
00:31:38.100
it last night. As I said, when I walked into the studio, only a few nightmares. It's called
00:31:44.120
nefarious or the nefarious plot. And it's like modern day screw tape letters. And it's supposed,
00:31:51.240
it's supposed to disturb you, right? It's supposed to show you the reality of good and evil that under
00:31:57.000
all this that we're talking about today is a very serious, literally dead serious spiritual battle
00:32:03.520
being waged for each of our individual souls. The first thing I'll say about it, it's a really
00:32:08.760
good movie. Yeah. I think that's the most important thing. The guy from Boondock Saints.
00:32:12.360
Yep. Sean Patrick Flannery is incredible. I love Boondock Saints. Yes. He's incredible in this
00:32:16.680
film. I found it less scary than your movie, actually. He, uh, um, great guy. I mean, and
00:32:22.320
Sean, he gives like a Nicholson in the shining level of performance in this film. And, uh, which
00:32:27.420
is good. Oh, so good. Cause the movie is called nefarious. So the guy who plays him better be
00:32:30.800
really good. But, um, the first thing we set out to do is we just wanted to make the best movie we
00:32:37.220
could. We didn't, let's check boxes. Let's make sure we touch on this issue, throw, you know,
00:32:41.260
hammer that one in there. You didn't have a diversity quota. We didn't do that. You know what?
00:32:43.880
Come to think that I did not see a trans POC. No, we didn't have any pansexual vegans.
00:32:49.400
Oh, no, nor, nor did we have like a box check though. All right. These are all the theological
00:32:53.200
points we have to make and figure out and work the script around that. We were just like, we're
00:32:57.040
all pretty confident in our belief system. Let's just come up with the best story we can make the
00:33:01.440
best movie we can. Cause our belief system will just come out organically. We don't have to force it.
00:33:05.800
I think that's the, that's, that's, I think what gives it a chance in wide release is that it's,
00:33:10.440
it's going to look and sound like the psychological thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Primal Fear
00:33:15.560
or Seven from the nineties. It's going to, it's going to look and sound like those films. It's
00:33:19.940
just going to come with our worldview. And so I think what'll be fascinating is when, when young
00:33:26.720
people, especially who are attracted to this genre, we made it for them. I mean, we made this
00:33:30.660
movie to go to Nineveh. We are looking at a culture right now that is up, if, if, is up against
00:33:36.000
this at the very lip of the mouth of Madness Alley. And it's about to belly flop into that pit. And,
00:33:41.060
and, and that's when you get into Romans one judgment stuff and cultures don't come back from
00:33:44.540
that. That's where you're just now clearing out your space in the history book where you're,
00:33:47.600
where you're, where you're civilization is going to be. And so they've heard from all the Hawaiian
00:33:51.160
shirted guys. They've heard from all the sweater vested guys. They've heard from all the khaki
00:33:55.880
panded nice guys. They, and they've rejected all that. So our, our approach is maybe again,
00:34:00.780
it won't work. I don't know, but let's try some old time religion. Let's try it. Let's try
00:34:04.580
grabbing people by the proverbial throat and force them to recognize evil and what it is.
00:34:10.200
And our hope when we make this film, uh, you'll follow the, uh, the character arc of our, of our,
00:34:15.400
he comes in as an atheist. Our psychiatrist does believing he's got all the answers. He's highly
00:34:20.600
educated. He's the people we've been waiting for. He's ready to tell us what's up. And by the end of
00:34:25.860
this encounter with this demon and real evil, it wrecks his worldview to the point that he is now open to
00:34:30.760
the possibility that maybe there's more going on in the world than he thought. And that's where we
00:34:34.840
leave the movie. And that's where you now take your unbelieving friends and family members, take them to
00:34:39.780
coffee, pizza, ice cream afterwards. We did the hard part, right? We, we gave them the bad news that
00:34:45.040
most of America's pastors don't want to give nowadays. And now you get to give them the good
00:34:48.820
news. You get to finish, close that loop. And so, and in the, in, in the interim, you'll be really
00:34:53.500
entertained because it's a very well done movie. I mean, what do you think?
00:34:56.120
It's a very well done movie. And I will say, because most of the people listening or a lot
00:35:01.600
of the people listening to this are moms. It is rated R. It is rated R. It is rated R. Now,
00:35:07.980
you don't have like cussing or sex or anything like that, but it is disturbing and it's intentionally
00:35:12.820
disturbing. So I will say, because it was made so well, because the acting is so good, I was disturbed.
00:35:19.080
Like there was one part, and this doesn't give anything a while, I'll be careful, where Sean Patrick
00:35:24.820
Flannery. He is, he's crying and he is in this ball of tears and emotion in his cell. And the real him
00:35:35.060
is coming out versus the, the demon. And that just like broke my heart, but man, it made me think of
00:35:42.400
so many different issues that we see today that we don't consider demonically influenced. We just
00:35:49.720
consider bad or stupid. And you touch on a lot of those explicitly in the movie, but still in ways
00:35:55.840
that make sense. It's not just like, you know, a presentation of abortion is bad. It's done in a
00:36:00.220
very clever way. But even things like transgenderism that aren't necessarily explicitly touched on,
00:36:05.440
I saw all of that in this movie, just from what the demons were saying. And that is like, that's the
00:36:12.100
point. Like you should be able to watch this and say, oh, I see. I see exactly what you're talking
00:36:18.840
about. And I didn't see it that way before. Exactly what Screwtape Letters does. Screwtape
00:36:23.120
Letters, the first time you read it, I, you know, I read it as a teenager. Yeah. It disturbs
00:36:27.400
you. It's supposed to, it's supposed to scare you. It's supposed to make you think, even though
00:36:32.040
in Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis doesn't touch on every single sin or every single temptation,
00:36:36.700
you start going about your day and you're like, that was spiritual. That distraction from prayer
00:36:41.820
wasn't an accident. My phone didn't just light up when I was in the middle of sharing the gospel
00:36:46.680
for no reason. You start thinking, and not to over-spiritualize everything, but you realize
00:36:52.520
there is a constant, never-ending, incessant battle going on for your soul. That's what
00:36:58.120
this movie reminds you of. That's supposed to be a little disturbing.
00:37:01.140
That's the best. I mean, that's why we made the film. And I can't say it any better than
00:37:05.280
you just did. So thank you. If you want to get tickets now, you can go to nefarioustickets.com.
00:37:11.060
That's nefarioustickets.com. We are literally in hand-to-hand combat right now for theaters.
00:37:15.000
I mean, for the first time in Hollywood history, the studios are going to release 13 films in a
00:37:22.600
Be a part of this movement. We're talking about making a movement. We're talking about spiritual
00:37:25.860
revival. Take your friends to see an actually good movie that they're not just going to feel
00:37:30.180
like it's preaching at them. It's an actual good movie, and they'll be entertained by it. And look,
00:37:36.160
there's a lot of biblical references. Maybe not all of your atheist friends will pick up on that.
00:37:40.800
But first of all, the word of God does not return void. Seeds will be planted. Also,
00:37:44.660
it will start conversations. I promise you that. And the Lord is going to use this.
00:37:54.500
That's the website. You can get tickets at nefarioustickets.com.
00:37:58.320
But if you want to see the trailer and everything, whoisnefarious.com.
00:38:01.020
And tickets are available at nefarioustickets.com.
00:38:03.380
We'll link both of those things in the description of this episode. Thanks so much,