Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 783 ｜ Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency？｜ Guest： Steve Deace

00:00:00.000 Donald Trump was arrested this week, and he has just pled not guilty to 34 felony counts

00:00:06.440 of falsifying documents. What does this really mean for the future of our country? My Blaze TV

00:00:12.100 colleague Steve Dace and one of my favorite guests is here to break it down for us both politically

00:00:17.420 and theologically. Then he'll tell us about his new film, which I am so excited about. It's called

00:00:22.920 Nefarious, and he'll talk about why this film is so important for the moment we're in. I'll give

00:00:28.820 my review, too, since I saw it last night. This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good

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00:00:48.520 Steve Dace, thanks so much for joining us again. Anytime, you bet. This time on the white couch.

00:00:53.060 All right, let's talk about Trump and the latest. I just want to get your full take on that and your

00:00:56.920 full explanation of what happened. We haven't spent too much time, a little bit of time on two

00:01:00.960 episodes talking about this. But the latest is that Trump pleads not guilty to 34 felony counts

00:01:06.880 of falsifying business records. Obviously, a little bit of background. This is coming from the Manhattan

00:01:12.600 DA, Alvin Bragg, who apparently doesn't have any better thing to do with his time. And so Trump was

00:01:22.100 being arrested, being indicted. What the heck? What, what, what, what is going on? 0.94

00:01:28.700 I mean, this is just an escalation of what we have seen over the last several years.

00:01:33.260 I disagree with the idea that the arrest and indictment of Donald Trump is a new day for

00:01:40.300 America's justice system. I think it is actually the crowning achievement of what already changed in

00:01:46.660 America's justice system. I mean, we saw people who went to work for him, either on the campaign or on

00:01:52.080 the staff at the, in, in the white house. We saw open lawfare raged against them. We have seen since

00:01:59.920 January 6th, nonviolent Donald Trump supporters just remain indefinitely detained. Now they just

00:02:06.600 arrested like a grandmother. I think it was last week I read. And so they've just been let, left to

00:02:12.380 rot. I mean, the Mark Houck case and the guy who, you know, was trying to defend his family,

00:02:16.380 the pro-life activist, and they tried to put him behind bars. So this is, so they kind of worked

00:02:20.420 their way up, right? They started with the staff and the support team. Then they went to the supporters

00:02:25.480 and now they, they went to the big man himself. And I, I think that, and you know, this won't make a lot

00:02:32.000 of people happy, what I'm about to say, but I'm used to that. So it hasn't deterred me before. We are,

00:02:37.080 we are not a nation of laws and we never have been. We're a nation of political will and we always

00:02:42.240 will be. I don't think anybody's analysis of the indictment and, and a good buddy of mine is a very

00:02:47.960 accomplished criminal defense attorney, hardcore right-winger in another state. I had him analyze

00:02:54.280 the indictment for me yesterday while we were doing the premiere for Nefarious because I wasn't

00:02:58.140 going to have time. And so I'll go over all that with my audience, but the reality is, and I'll only

00:03:03.120 do it just because it's, you know, the responsible thing to do, but the truth of the matter is it's

00:03:07.600 irrelevant. There is no legal analysis that matters. Here's all, because this isn't a legal

00:03:12.180 proceeding. It's a political one. And here's all that matters. 12% of Manhattan voted for Donald

00:03:18.280 Trump in the 2024 or 2020 election, 12. It is from that pool of people that the jury was created to

00:03:26.580 come up with these indictments. It is from that exact same pool of people, Allie, that the jury that

00:03:31.840 will convict him later, they will, they will, this trial is already over. Does it essentially all his

00:03:37.880 attorneys are doing are, are, are trying to come up with, um, appeal, um, rationales, uh, in, in, in

00:03:44.680 higher level appellate courts in the hopes that they can actually come up with, this is a sham

00:03:48.560 proceeding. What are we doing here? Um, because there's just, there, it would take a miracle to find a

00:03:54.720 jury in a pool in that pool of people that would look at this case objectively. And I don't even think

00:04:00.080 this is the first time we're going to do this. I mean, we have the case in Georgia where the jury

00:04:03.720 foreman said, well, I just voted to indict because they told me I'd get to swear Donald Trump in.

00:04:07.820 I mean, this is, this is hat tip, Dave Reboy, late Republic nonsense. We are in the, the death

00:04:14.200 throes of a civilization here. Uh, we're on the, the lip of Romans one, uh, and, and we're diving into

00:04:21.320 the mouth of madness. And this stuff is only going to get crazier as a result because we're,

00:04:29.640 we're in revival or bust territory. So, um, there's, there's a lot of people in our business

00:04:34.860 today that are going to make a gazillion bucks on clicks singing the siren song to our audience

00:04:40.820 that this will clinch a landslide election for Donald Trump in 2024. And they're going to tell

00:04:46.000 you that the very day after last night in a must win state, Wisconsin, they put a George Soros

00:04:54.320 acolyte on the state Supreme court by popular vote, by popular vote. And so I, you know,

00:05:02.900 my, my affliction is I like living in this place called reality. I, I, I need to know what is true,

00:05:08.720 even if it's not comfortable for me, even if it's not the truth that I would like, um, it's not the

00:05:12.860 truth that I would prefer. Um, I would just always rather to whether know what is true rather than what

00:05:17.500 is deception. And I think on the right, you know, you are last night, Donald Trump's campaign team

00:05:23.800 is selling t-shirts with his mugshot on the other side, they're putting a, a, a, you know, a Soros,

00:05:29.360 uh, acolyte on the state Supreme court. That is a perfect snapshot of, of, of the last 30 years of

00:05:34.820 the Democrat Republican duopoly. Republicans are an industry. Democrats are a movement and throughout

00:05:40.900 history, movements always crush industries because they have the true conviction. They have a

00:05:46.140 motivation beyond, Hey, what's just a bottom line outcome that is favorable to me.

00:05:51.180 Yeah. The side that wants to win will always be the side that just wants to get along or the side

00:05:56.600 that just wants to be left alone or the side that wants to just sell t-shirts. And I, that's a perfect

00:06:01.560 transition because that's exactly what I wanted to talk to you about. Um, Janet, let's see if I can get

00:06:07.240 this right. Protus, uh, Protusawitz, Protusawitz, I think that's her last name. Better you than me.

00:06:12.200 Something, but she is Soros backed and she's had a lot of radical agenda items on her list, 0.97

00:06:18.960 like getting rid of voter ID. This is obviously big for the abortion issue. Wisconsin is a swing

00:06:24.880 state. And so you're right. I've seen all of these, um, you know, Donald Trump supporters,

00:06:32.520 and that's not to say that I'm not a supporter in my own way, but you know, the ride or die MAGA

00:06:37.860 people saying, wow, you know, it's actually because the opponent in Wisconsin, Dan Kelly,

00:06:43.460 wasn't MAGA enough. He didn't kiss the ring of Trump enough. It's because he wasn't Trumpian

00:06:48.840 enough. And that's why this radical Soros back, backed woman won. That doesn't make a whole lot 1.00

00:06:54.460 of sense. It doesn't make any sense. It's like they're living in an alternate reality. And I said

00:06:59.620 this and I knew that I would get some pushback on it on YouTube and then on Twitter yesterday. But

00:07:05.300 just in talking to my audience and the demographic that I represent, so say Christian Republican

00:07:10.960 voting women ages 25 to 45, when I'm talking to them, which is a lot about what do you care about?

00:07:16.780 What do you want me to talk about? What are you worried about? What are you concerned about?

00:07:19.800 Just to be honest, and I'm not saying that this is right or wrong. It's not Trump. It's actually not

00:07:24.840 Trump's indictment. And that's not to say it's not a big deal, but they're still just worried about

00:07:29.520 the things that affect their kids, that affect them, this culture war stuff. The left understands

00:07:35.600 that about their people. That's why they're constantly waging the culture war, the moral

00:07:39.600 war, the sexual war. They're not worried about that at all. They're out there winning elections,

00:07:44.540 like you said, that champion their culture war issues. Whereas the right, I mean, I think a lot

00:07:51.060 of times they feel like the people in power, like they don't really have a champion. They don't have

00:07:55.740 anyone that is truly connected to their concerns. And Trump being indicted to them, it doesn't move

00:08:03.300 the needle in the direction of voting for him in the next election. It really doesn't, because

00:08:09.360 they're looking for a champion. They might have liked him, but look, he's still old. He now has a

00:08:14.740 personal axe to grind. That's not necessarily what they're looking for in a president. They're still

00:08:20.160 looking for a culture warrior, which you can find elsewhere. I think that one of the, last time we

00:08:28.680 saw each other was election night here. And I mean, I came in the Tiger Woods red shirt. I had the

00:08:34.320 Tobocorn brought in. I mean, you know, I'm a hardcore data guy, hardcore analysis guy. I mean, I was

00:08:39.340 convinced, all right, he's not on the ballot. So the white suburban woman who was like, I'll surrender 0.96

00:08:45.900 America to make the mean tweets go away that we apparently saw in the 2020 election has no more

00:08:51.700 excuses. All right. And you're watching them pedo groom your kids at the library and the schools and

00:08:56.540 every television show on Disney just about. This is the moment now where finally, like 1994, which was

00:09:02.720 30 years ago. Yeah. All right. The last remnant of the silent majority will rise up and say and

00:09:08.800 push back against this. And man, I was convinced, convinced it was going to go down. And I sat there and

00:09:15.400 watched those returns come in throughout the course of that night getting increasingly dejected. And so

00:09:19.680 the message to me was sent that the cavalry isn't coming. The cavalry is the only thing left now.

00:09:31.240 Yeah. All right. We are in revival or bust. There is no layer of American that's like generically with

00:09:38.040 this, but not really engaged who like can be outraged enough into joining with us to push this

00:09:44.460 back. If, because the idea that I'm going to watch them groom my kids and that's not going to move me

00:09:50.960 to vote, but what's likely an unjust persecution of a billionaire who, for paying hush money to a

00:09:58.580 porn star that I already didn't like. That's the one now, now, and now it, now it brings, now it comes

00:10:04.660 home to me. I mean, I was pushing back on that narrative right away. And if, if, if we can speak

00:10:10.460 about this theologically for a second, I think what you're watching, and this is the best we can

00:10:15.560 do without God, this is the best we can do. America is no longer Republicans and Democrats

00:10:21.760 politically. It has broken down in, in, in a very, it's almost, it's very Roman into a battle of

00:10:29.120 dueling, D-U-E-L, dueling political cults. Um, and they're both Roman in nature. Um, the, the, 0.77

00:10:36.500 the first one is the, the Nero cult, the spirit of the age is what I call it on my show, or our 0.59

00:10:41.660 colleague Oran McIntyre refers to it as the total state. The state is God. The state has replaced the

00:10:46.860 church. Government is God. Um, government is in whom we live and breathe. I will comply with government

00:10:51.500 edicts to, you know, that's that. And, and historically that is always the most dangerous cult.

00:10:56.120 Whenever the state is weaponized to God-like status, more people die from that than anything

00:11:00.260 else. All right. That, and so that is the, that's the, by far historically and imminently

00:11:04.660 the preeminent threat we face, but we are trying to fight it with another Roman cult, the hero cult. 0.97

00:11:12.880 And Trump taps into this when he says things like I alone can solve. If this happens to me,

00:11:18.800 it destroys the country. I mean, listen, I thought that I think what's going on in New York is a

00:11:23.500 complete and total sham. It's funny though. I still drove from my hotel over here this morning

00:11:27.820 and people still went to work. It wasn't, people didn't, you know, life goes on. You know what I'm

00:11:32.620 saying? My family's still pissed off that they're delayed at the airport. They weren't like, you know

00:11:36.140 what? We don't have time to focus on the fact our airport's late. Donald Trump got indicted. I mean,

00:11:39.540 it's just, but, but we, we need that hero. Okay. And so this Trump is Julius Caesar. He's the only one

00:11:48.240 that can beat back the invaders, give him the keys to the city. All right. Here's the problem.

00:11:53.300 Caesar never gave back the keys to the city. Right. Okay. Um, and, and so that's essentially

00:11:59.220 what's going on is that you have the spirit of the age cult and then you have the hero cult.

00:12:05.140 And, and so for the last few years, there's a lot of conservative media. I mean, I did, I interviewed

00:12:11.380 a January 6th or from his, from federal penitentiary just a few months ago. And that's finally what got me

00:12:16.220 on the, the, the radar of the news guards and those kinds of people trying to get me canceled

00:12:21.040 was daring to step on that shibboleth. Okay. But for the last few years, those, the actual Trump

00:12:26.140 supporters don't matter. They were left behind to rot for the last few years in those jail cells

00:12:30.320 and barely got talked about, barely got spoken about. They don't matter. Okay. The suffering of

00:12:35.100 actual Trump supporters, 10,000 small and family businesses alley were permanently erased by the

00:12:40.360 lockdowns he initiated. The suffering of actual Trump supporters doesn't matter. Only the suffering of

00:12:45.540 Mr. Trump, that is a cesarean cult. And that's not populism. That's not where he is a vessel for you.

00:12:52.360 That is where you are a vessel for him.

00:13:06.980 That's the point that I was trying to make yesterday is that I don't want, and I think a lot of people

00:13:11.400 that I've talked to don't want someone with only a personal ax to grind. Okay. I heard some people

00:13:18.140 say, well, his personal ax to grind is also my ax to grind. I, you know, I really want him to go in

00:13:24.360 there and destroy the powers that be. But I mean, he did it last time. And I say that as someone who

00:13:29.960 voted for Donald Trump twice, who was very thankful for a lot of the things he did, probably the greatest

00:13:35.220 pro-life champion that we've ever had in the presidential office, even more than Ronald Reagan,

00:13:40.680 if you're looking at actual policy. So I'm very thankful for that. But I don't really want someone

00:13:46.500 whose agenda centers on him and getting people back for what they did to him. Yes, there could be,

00:13:54.280 sorry, some trickle down effect positively for us, but not enough. Like, I really want someone who's

00:14:00.080 not thinking about themselves at all, who was only thinking about us. And by the way, like Trump is

00:14:05.860 someone who is, you know, going to log cabin Republican, you know, celebrations. They did that

00:14:10.760 over Christmas at Mar-a-Lago, actually. Yes. And things like that. So I'm like, look, I don't even

00:14:16.400 know if we're necessarily in line. Are you going to fight the battles that I really think need to be

00:14:22.760 fought? I just, I don't know. And I think a lot of Christian women, and I'm not talking about the

00:14:27.720 Christian women who didn't vote for him, who are like, oh, whatever, you know, I'll just vote Democrat. 1.00

00:14:32.120 I'm talking about my group. I think they want someone even stronger, someone with a better

00:14:38.640 vision, a bigger vision than himself. So I think you're right. I think that right now,

00:14:44.800 I wouldn't even wager he'll be on a ballot. Do you think he's going to prison?

00:14:49.640 I think it is. I think you should, we're in an age where, I mean, look at what we've seen the last

00:14:56.760 few years. Look at what we've seen from, I mean, Rasmussen came out with a poll over the weekend

00:15:02.840 and they're one of the most accurate pollsters of the last few years. You know, I keep track of

00:15:07.700 this stuff. Yeah. They are. 11% of American households believe someone in their home died

00:15:13.180 of COVID. Wow. 10% of American households believe someone in their home died of the COVID vaccine.

00:15:18.880 That was a Rasmussen poll that came out last weekend. The idea that you couldn't,

00:15:23.440 wouldn't be able to take your children to school without a mask. The idea that you couldn't serve

00:15:28.220 in the military unless you took an experimental injection and that they would just completely

00:15:33.020 ignore the escalating risk factors within their own epidemiological database. That we just open

00:15:40.440 the Southern border and let it be a fentanyl human trafficking trading post, essentially.

00:15:45.040 We just let Chinese spy balloons just meander over the skies.

00:15:48.440 Yeah. I joke about it. Yeah. The pop, the populist Republican president would say,

00:15:54.480 let's decide which businesses are essential or non-essential. And only the big box stores

00:15:58.420 are essential. Your mom and pop stand isn't. I mean, the stuff that we have been through the

00:16:02.540 last few years, I think we should put everything on the table and we need to, you need to see your

00:16:06.540 enemy. I see, we're still fighting a political fight. We're over here acting, you know, looking ahead

00:16:11.980 to the next election. They made up 34 felony counts yesterday in a court of law. And of,

00:16:18.020 and of all the, the, I think there's four or five of these criminal proceedings going on against him

00:16:22.900 right now. This is the weakest one. Like if, if I'm Merrick Garland and I think I've got him dead to

00:16:28.340 rights on holding classified documentation and I, you know, which is another sham, but I'm again,

00:16:34.380 look at it the way that people who are going to make these decisions are looking at it. Not the way

00:16:38.000 we look at it, look at it the way they do. If I'm Merrick Garland and I'm like, Hey man,

00:16:41.980 if this Manhattan DA is going to put on 34 felony counts for whether he paid hush money to a porn

00:16:45.980 star, what am I going to do down here for on a federal level for mishandling of classified

00:16:50.340 documents? You know what I'm saying? I mean, if that's the baseline, if that's the new political

00:16:54.640 baseline, not legal, this is none of these are legal proceedings. If that's the new political

00:16:59.320 baseline for the, where the Overton window is now, if you're Merrick Garland, you're like,

00:17:03.540 well, hell man, let's just go ahead and try them for treason while we're at it.

00:17:06.460 I think you're looking at a year of, of, of, of court proceedings. I think that they did this

00:17:13.160 and they did this with issues and now they're going to do it with our, with our people.

00:17:16.180 They're going to say, we'll do whatever we want. And we dare you to go find an appellate court or

00:17:20.720 the Supreme court later to say, we can't do that. I mean, poor Jack in Denver is on how many,

00:17:25.220 was this his fourth case now going to the Supreme court? They keep, they keep coming after him,

00:17:29.100 even though they keep losing. Why we dare you to beat us again, because there's a level,

00:17:33.060 there's a, there's a mob outside lots house level of commitment there. And so I think the idea that

00:17:38.800 I wouldn't be looking at any polls or anything of that nature. You need to ask yourself a serious

00:17:42.760 question. Are, is he going to legally be on a ballot? Like, could they put, could they stretch

00:17:48.060 this out so that in certain States there's an injunction against him running and he couldn't

00:17:52.480 get the delegates necessary according to GOP bylaws to become the nominee? I think you, I think

00:17:57.300 you need to understand this is a brave new world and it has been for a while. Okay. And it's because

00:18:03.400 nothing, it's because nobody got punished for what they tried to do. Brett Kavanaugh, nobody got

00:18:07.340 punished for what they tried to do with Russian collusion. Nobody got punished for what they did

00:18:10.700 in the 2020 election. I mean, most of the people that did the worst acts during COVID all got reelected.

00:18:16.160 Okay. No one's been punished for anything. And so they're just going to continue to ramp this up.

00:18:21.220 So here's my question, because you said two things that I agree with. And I wonder if they,

00:18:25.780 if you believe that they go hand in hand, or if they're somehow opposed to each other,

00:18:29.220 because you've talked about how the right is kind of erroneously looking to the next election. We're

00:18:33.660 looking for some kind of political salvation. And yet you have said, and I think correctly,

00:18:37.880 that this is no longer a nation of laws. It's a nation of political will. And the things that you

00:18:42.200 just listed that, okay, no one's getting punished for these things, not to mention the corruption that

00:18:46.540 pre-existed 2016. If you're looking at someone like Maxine Waters or Nancy Pelosi, how they've lined

00:18:51.640 their pockets, Eric Swalwell, I mean, Adam, all of these people, either pre-2016 or in the past few

00:18:58.240 years, absolutely have done things that are legally questionable. So the political will

00:19:04.860 sides almost entirely on the left, at least on the federal level. We're seeing some changes when it

00:19:10.500 comes to some really strong Republican governors. But so on the one hand, it does seem like there

00:19:16.900 seems like there needs to be a political power correction made by Republicans. Like, for example,

00:19:26.460 like, why isn't there any retaliation when it comes to what's happening to Trump? Why isn't there some

00:19:33.400 kind of DA somewhere in a Republican state saying, okay, let's bring it Hunter Biden. We've got enough

00:19:38.340 here. Like, why don't we do something similar? But then on the other hand, you're saying, well, this is

00:19:41.960 spiritual, right? This is more of a, like, revival or bust type thing. I just happen to agree with 0.93

00:19:47.400 both of those, but I don't know necessarily how those wed together. Does that all make sense?

00:19:51.840 It absolutely makes sense. I mean, two, two Saturdays ago, Twitter became an apocalyptic

00:19:57.840 wasteland that if Ron DeSantis did not offer extradition protection for Donald Trump, this was

00:20:03.220 the end of America. Yeah. And he ended up doing that, right?

00:20:05.780 But he, I argued on my podcast that he couldn't really do that. Well, I would argue that the

00:20:11.380 social compact is broken. So you can kind of do whatever you want to. I mean, it's the wild

00:20:15.900 West. I'm not, I love the constitution. It's not a suicide pact. Yeah. Like I'm not going to hold

00:20:20.820 myself to it. The constitution is a social compact. There are very few people and only on one side

00:20:26.140 that really care about it. And so this is a little bit like, hey dude, she left you. She's doing,

00:20:30.580 she's on OnlyFans and she's been gone for three years. She's not coming back.

00:20:35.780 The marriage compact between the two of you is broken. Move on, brah. Okay. That's kind

00:20:41.600 of what the constitution is at this point. We want to like hold ourselves accountable

00:20:46.100 to a document that they have already shredded figuratively and literally. And so there's

00:20:50.860 no way to enforce it because half of the social compact won't abide by it. So all your, all

00:20:55.880 your, it's a self-limiting principle. So it's, it's a little bit, I made the same argument

00:20:59.820 about Trump and Pence. I mean, I, I don't believe that Pence had the right to uphold, to withhold

00:21:04.900 the election, to not certify the election. Should have done it anyway because the thing

00:21:08.380 was a crock. All right. I mean, I, when, when, when you violate a norm of that magnitude,

00:21:14.340 for example, I don't have a right, if I'm angry with you, I don't have a right as a private 0.96

00:21:18.700 citizen to shoot you. Right. But when you take your grievance against me into my home 0.96

00:21:24.660 and threaten my person and my family with it, the social compact makes an exception and

00:21:29.340 says, now you do. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. Because you have crossed a line here

00:21:33.520 that is, that is not how we are to behave with one another. If we are living in community

00:21:37.880 with one another, they've crossed that line like four, 666 times. Yeah. And we barely

00:21:43.260 crossed it at all. Ironically, especially in Alvin Bragg's district, you can't really

00:21:46.000 defend yourself without facing charges of attempted murder, which has happened multiple times

00:21:49.780 there. So, so DeSantis grants him the protection. Yeah.

00:21:52.540 Trump should have taken it. I'm not going to.

00:21:54.700 And so Trump didn't, right? No, he did not. He, he extradited himself.

00:21:58.640 Trump is still campa, he is using this all as a campaign against DeSantis, by the way.

00:22:02.500 And DeSantis, I think, understands that, is really trying to walk the line, which I feel

00:22:07.980 for him. I feel for Donald Trump, honestly, just like personally, in a lot of ways, it makes

00:22:12.580 me sad to see this happening to him. I also feel for DeSantis in a political sense, this

00:22:18.640 is, this is tough. He's being unfairly kind of pushed into this. And I think he's, he's

00:22:26.420 doing the best that he can.

00:22:27.900 See, I would have, I would have actually, let's do a better hero cult. If I were running

00:22:32.860 Donald Trump's operation, I said, Hey, got junior in Florida having my back. Cause he

00:22:36.600 knows what time it is. All right. Let's have all these other Republican governors. I'm going

00:22:40.240 to come to your state and do a rally. They're going to try to extradite me for a sham. Are

00:22:44.440 you going to allow them to do that in your state? Let's put them all to the loyalty

00:22:46.860 test. Yeah. And see, see, that's the thing. If we're going to have a hero cult, if we're

00:22:50.760 going to have a Julius Caesar hero cult, then let's lay waste to the enemy with it. I mean,

00:22:55.300 Caesar did protect the city. That's why they gave him the key. Okay. Let's not just sell,

00:22:59.120 let's just not sell freaking t-shirts. Let's just not have, Hey, let's turn this into a fundraiser.

00:23:03.880 Okay. I mean, is it, is it, is this, is it, is the, is the, is your hero cult really for

00:23:09.820 a grift or are we going to, if we're going to just be a hero cult, fine, let's be a really

00:23:14.720 good one. Then let's earn all that animosity. Let's earn all those. If Donald Trump, if Donald

00:23:20.720 Trump put all Republican governors to the loyalty test and said, I'm coming to your state, I dare 1.00

00:23:25.160 you to let him extradite me in your state and show your people what a coward you are. Would 0.99

00:23:29.040 they call him, they call them all the same names and say all the same things about him. They're

00:23:33.340 already saying now. And so that's, this, that's been my issue with this era is in the end,

00:23:39.180 overall, it comes down to being about him. And in the end, it comes down to, we're going

00:23:44.900 to sell t-shirts and we're going to raise $8 million as opposed to actually putting on

00:23:50.480 an exercise that punishes these people. And that's, and that's, that's why we're going

00:23:55.300 to lose on the, on the trajectory we're on. That's what he, he won one election. This doesn't

00:24:00.680 get said enough. He won one election by 78,000 total votes in four States. Miraculate total,

00:24:05.920 not like in each state, total votes in the four most decisive States. Since then, people

00:24:12.260 watched the Kavanaugh scam. People won't put up with that. They turn around and we lost 40

00:24:16.780 house seats in the very, like a month later. It wasn't even like they, they forgot about

00:24:20.560 it. The Kavanaugh stuff went down in August of 2018. A month later, there was an election.

00:24:25.800 Democrats gained 40 house seats. All right. Then there's the infamous 2020 election. Then he's

00:24:30.940 not even on the ballot and the issues are even starker. They've grown even more radical

00:24:34.860 on the other side. This, that was an overwhelmingly status quo incumbent, pro-incumbent election

00:24:39.680 in the last three elections since Trump got in the white house. So when Trump took over

00:24:44.660 in January of 2017, Republicans, or there were the fewest amount of elected Democrats in

00:24:49.380 America than there had been since before the great depression, a hundred years. Since the

00:24:53.820 2016 election, Republicans are minus 21 in us congressmen, minus eight in governors, minus

00:25:00.560 three in us senators. Now there's a lot of people to blame for this. Okay. Including people

00:25:06.380 like Mitch McConnell and everything who were in power before Trump got here, but it's very

00:25:11.160 obvious. Now, maybe there is no, there is no path that we could show people politically.

00:25:15.360 Maybe there isn't a better way to do it. I don't know. What I do know though, is the current

00:25:19.740 path of the choices, technocratic soulless Republicans like Mitch McConnell, who don't care about

00:25:24.580 anything other than corporate grift and globalism or Donald Trump's personal grievances. Here's what

00:25:30.120 the data shows. The American people don't care about either one of those things. They're not

00:25:36.060 interested in voting for either one of them in mass. That has been clearly demonstrated.

00:25:40.220 That's the data. That's all that's, that's all that matters in the end.

00:25:54.580 And to kind of bring it back to the question, I was thinking as you were talking about King

00:25:59.080 Josiah and how King Josiah, when he came into office, the young king started at eight. I think

00:26:03.400 it was a few years later, but still very young when he laid waste to all the idols. And look,

00:26:09.080 before anyone calls me out, I'm not saying that America is Israel. I'm not saying that we're

00:26:13.340 looking necessarily for King Josiah. I'm looking, I'm looking at that as an example of a combination

00:26:18.560 of political will and spiritual revival. I do think spiritual revival is fundamental and

00:26:24.100 absolutely necessary for things to change long-term. Well, who inspired King Josiah.

00:26:28.160 Exactly. The priest, Hilkiah, went to him and said, I have found the law of God. We are not

00:26:32.320 following it. So it is a both and. And so I think spiritual revival and spiritual change can motivate

00:26:38.840 leaders to make good changes. But look, I always say that culture is downstream from politics or

00:26:45.020 politics is downstream from culture and culture is downstream from theology. But there is the power

00:26:50.360 of political will and policy change that can actually move the needle. Like if you look at

00:26:56.120 gay marriage, for example, it was the law that changed before the majority of Americans decided

00:27:00.540 they were in favor of it. A burger fell happened when still 60% of Americans said that they weren't

00:27:05.460 in favor of gay marriage. So there's something to be said about someone getting in power, making 0.87

00:27:10.380 decisions and saying, no, we're going to go this direction that actually pulls the Overton window back

00:27:15.900 over. Now that's going to be really difficult when this whole like drag queen in front of kids 1.00

00:27:21.100 started circulating on Twitter and everything. I so foolishly and naively said, oh, let's see

00:27:27.260 Democrats defend this. They're never going to be able to defend this. I did too. Well, it went,

00:27:32.320 you know, naturally that's not happening. And now we're in the, it's good that it is happening.

00:27:36.660 It needs to happen all the more. It needs to happen so much more. And the country music awards,

00:27:41.220 we're going to celebrate that. And so I am so naive, I guess, or I was, but now I realize it's

00:27:47.260 going to take a really, really strong movement, not industry, as you said, to push the Overton

00:27:54.240 window back over, which as you said, is completely impossible without an accompanying revival and heart

00:28:02.880 of repentance. I want to address the politics as flows down because that's the Andrew Breitbart

00:28:06.660 maxim. And, um, it's, it's brilliant and it's true, but it's, it's true for us. It's not true

00:28:12.180 on the left. Yes. On the, on the, on the left, when they get elected, they don't care what culture

00:28:17.700 does. They do what they believe and culture moves on the politics is downstream from culture on the

00:28:23.700 right. It took 30 years to get Republicans to actually pass meaningful pro-life legislation.

00:28:29.420 People, people in audiences like ours did all the heavy lifting. And now suddenly every,

00:28:33.760 even the rhino governor of Indiana, okay. Who sucks on every, every imaginable piece of policy 1.00

00:28:40.780 you care about, signed pro-life legislation. Right. And so what on the right, that is how it 0.94

00:28:46.380 works. We have to, we have to terraform culture. We have to move heaven and earth. Okay. To make it

00:28:51.900 so simple that now all the 49 years, we have to do that. Yes. That they don't even have to frost the

00:28:57.040 cake. Like literally we will frost the cake. We will buy the frosting. Can you put the, the for sale

00:29:02.240 thing inside the cake after we do all the work and put it in the display? That's how it works on the

00:29:07.000 right. All right. And they still don't do it. Now in Florida, what you've seen is an interesting

00:29:11.360 example of how the left operates. Yeah. He just, he just executes power and I'm going to do what I

00:29:16.880 think is right. I won by 30,000 votes. I don't care what the polls say. I'm going to do what I

00:29:20.440 think is right. If I win, I win. If I lose, I lose. And what's happened is you've watched now the

00:29:24.100 fulcrum of a state culturally move to the right as a result of that. And that happened in one term

00:29:30.500 because he actually governs the way Democrats do. All right. You come against me, I'll punish you.

00:29:35.420 I'm just going to act. All right. You don't do what I want. I'll fire you. I'll replace you. 0.98

00:29:39.300 I'm just going to act. And then I'm not, I'm not going to bellow. I'm not going to tweet. I'm not

00:29:42.840 going to threaten. I'm not going to do new shows. I'm not going to debate it so that you have time

00:29:46.460 to gin up new cycles and weeks and months worth of resistance. I'm just going to act and make it

00:29:52.400 normal. And now you're on defense and that's what they have done to us for decades. And I think that

00:29:59.040 they're drastically, the country dramatically needs a generational changeover. You know, I mean,

00:30:06.020 the boomer generation has been collectively the most destructive generation in American history 1.00

00:30:12.920 from the birth of the counterculture. And now it won't let go. Think of how many of our great

00:30:17.620 evangelical ministers are in their eighties and you don't know who their successor at their ministry

00:30:21.640 is. As soon as I say that, you have names in the back of your head. You know who I'm talking about.

00:30:24.720 I thought of two people immediately. And they're great men of God, but you have no, who are, do you

00:30:28.980 know who they're, who they've been mentoring to take over? Do you have any clue? We don't know.

00:30:33.040 What's the next generation of leadership that we have been, nothing. They won't let, do you know

00:30:37.340 the Rolling Stones are going to go tour again this summer? They buried their 81 year old drummer. I

00:30:42.780 think it was a year ago, Charlie, whatever his name is. All right. And they're going, I mean,

00:30:46.600 this as a generation, they will not move on. Yeah. And we don't offer that many good

00:30:53.120 replacements. No, we don't. Which is probably why they have anxiety about that.

00:30:56.880 And it's a self-fulfilling prophecy. They won't group replacements. So they won't leave room for

00:31:00.780 replacements. And we don't have many replacements. And then they don't want to let go because they

00:31:05.000 see the lack of replacements. And so on and on and on and on and on it goes. And that's,

00:31:09.600 that's a major problem that we have on a cultural level right now, generationally.

00:31:23.120 Well, you selfishly have to go prepare for your show. So I'm going to have to let you go. But I

00:31:33.100 want to give you the next few minutes to talk about your movie, which is coming out April 14th. I saw

00:31:38.100 it last night. As I said, when I walked into the studio, only a few nightmares. It's called

00:31:44.120 nefarious or the nefarious plot. And it's like modern day screw tape letters. And it's supposed,

00:31:51.240 it's supposed to disturb you, right? It's supposed to show you the reality of good and evil that under

00:31:57.000 all this that we're talking about today is a very serious, literally dead serious spiritual battle

00:32:03.520 being waged for each of our individual souls. The first thing I'll say about it, it's a really

00:32:08.760 good movie. Yeah. I think that's the most important thing. The guy from Boondock Saints.

00:32:12.360 Yep. Sean Patrick Flannery is incredible. I love Boondock Saints. Yes. He's incredible in this

00:32:16.680 film. I found it less scary than your movie, actually. He, uh, um, great guy. I mean, and

00:32:22.320 Sean, he gives like a Nicholson in the shining level of performance in this film. And, uh, which

00:32:27.420 is good. Oh, so good. Cause the movie is called nefarious. So the guy who plays him better be

00:32:30.800 really good. But, um, the first thing we set out to do is we just wanted to make the best movie we

00:32:37.220 could. We didn't, let's check boxes. Let's make sure we touch on this issue, throw, you know,

00:32:41.260 hammer that one in there. You didn't have a diversity quota. We didn't do that. You know what?

00:32:43.880 Come to think that I did not see a trans POC. No, we didn't have any pansexual vegans.

00:32:49.400 Oh, no, nor, nor did we have like a box check though. All right. These are all the theological

00:32:53.200 points we have to make and figure out and work the script around that. We were just like, we're

00:32:57.040 all pretty confident in our belief system. Let's just come up with the best story we can make the

00:33:01.440 best movie we can. Cause our belief system will just come out organically. We don't have to force it.

00:33:05.800 I think that's the, that's, that's, I think what gives it a chance in wide release is that it's,

00:33:10.440 it's going to look and sound like the psychological thrillers like Silence of the Lambs or Primal Fear

00:33:15.560 or Seven from the nineties. It's going to, it's going to look and sound like those films. It's

00:33:19.940 just going to come with our worldview. And so I think what'll be fascinating is when, when young

00:33:26.720 people, especially who are attracted to this genre, we made it for them. I mean, we made this

00:33:30.660 movie to go to Nineveh. We are looking at a culture right now that is up, if, if, is up against

00:33:36.000 this at the very lip of the mouth of Madness Alley. And it's about to belly flop into that pit. And,

00:33:41.060 and, and that's when you get into Romans one judgment stuff and cultures don't come back from

00:33:44.540 that. That's where you're just now clearing out your space in the history book where you're,

00:33:47.600 where you're, where you're civilization is going to be. And so they've heard from all the Hawaiian

00:33:51.160 shirted guys. They've heard from all the sweater vested guys. They've heard from all the khaki 0.98

00:33:55.880 panded nice guys. They, and they've rejected all that. So our, our approach is maybe again,

00:34:00.780 it won't work. I don't know, but let's try some old time religion. Let's try it. Let's try 0.83

00:34:04.580 grabbing people by the proverbial throat and force them to recognize evil and what it is.

00:34:10.200 And our hope when we make this film, uh, you'll follow the, uh, the character arc of our, of our,

00:34:15.400 he comes in as an atheist. Our psychiatrist does believing he's got all the answers. He's highly 1.00

00:34:20.600 educated. He's the people we've been waiting for. He's ready to tell us what's up. And by the end of

00:34:25.860 this encounter with this demon and real evil, it wrecks his worldview to the point that he is now open to

00:34:30.760 the possibility that maybe there's more going on in the world than he thought. And that's where we

00:34:34.840 leave the movie. And that's where you now take your unbelieving friends and family members, take them to 0.59

00:34:39.780 coffee, pizza, ice cream afterwards. We did the hard part, right? We, we gave them the bad news that

00:34:45.040 most of America's pastors don't want to give nowadays. And now you get to give them the good

00:34:48.820 news. You get to finish, close that loop. And so, and in the, in, in the interim, you'll be really

00:34:53.500 entertained because it's a very well done movie. I mean, what do you think?

00:34:56.120 It's a very well done movie. And I will say, because most of the people listening or a lot

00:35:01.600 of the people listening to this are moms. It is rated R. It is rated R. It is rated R. Now,

00:35:07.980 you don't have like cussing or sex or anything like that, but it is disturbing and it's intentionally

00:35:12.820 disturbing. So I will say, because it was made so well, because the acting is so good, I was disturbed.

00:35:19.080 Like there was one part, and this doesn't give anything a while, I'll be careful, where Sean Patrick

00:35:24.820 Flannery. He is, he's crying and he is in this ball of tears and emotion in his cell. And the real him

00:35:35.060 is coming out versus the, the demon. And that just like broke my heart, but man, it made me think of

00:35:42.400 so many different issues that we see today that we don't consider demonically influenced. We just

00:35:49.720 consider bad or stupid. And you touch on a lot of those explicitly in the movie, but still in ways 0.97

00:35:55.840 that make sense. It's not just like, you know, a presentation of abortion is bad. It's done in a

00:36:00.220 very clever way. But even things like transgenderism that aren't necessarily explicitly touched on,

00:36:05.440 I saw all of that in this movie, just from what the demons were saying. And that is like, that's the

00:36:12.100 point. Like you should be able to watch this and say, oh, I see. I see exactly what you're talking

00:36:18.840 about. And I didn't see it that way before. Exactly what Screwtape Letters does. Screwtape

00:36:23.120 Letters, the first time you read it, I, you know, I read it as a teenager. Yeah. It disturbs

00:36:27.400 you. It's supposed to, it's supposed to scare you. It's supposed to make you think, even though

00:36:32.040 in Screwtape Letters, C.S. Lewis doesn't touch on every single sin or every single temptation,

00:36:36.700 you start going about your day and you're like, that was spiritual. That distraction from prayer

00:36:41.820 wasn't an accident. My phone didn't just light up when I was in the middle of sharing the gospel

00:36:46.680 for no reason. You start thinking, and not to over-spiritualize everything, but you realize

00:36:52.520 there is a constant, never-ending, incessant battle going on for your soul. That's what

00:36:58.120 this movie reminds you of. That's supposed to be a little disturbing.

00:37:01.140 That's the best. I mean, that's why we made the film. And I can't say it any better than

00:37:05.280 you just did. So thank you. If you want to get tickets now, you can go to nefarioustickets.com.

00:37:10.720 Yeah.

00:37:11.060 That's nefarioustickets.com. We are literally in hand-to-hand combat right now for theaters.

00:37:15.000 I mean, for the first time in Hollywood history, the studios are going to release 13 films in a

00:37:19.920 three-week span. Never happened before.

00:37:21.540 Praise God. Praise God.

00:37:22.140 Yeah.

00:37:22.600 Be a part of this movement. We're talking about making a movement. We're talking about spiritual

00:37:25.860 revival. Take your friends to see an actually good movie that they're not just going to feel

00:37:30.180 like it's preaching at them. It's an actual good movie, and they'll be entertained by it. And look,

00:37:36.160 there's a lot of biblical references. Maybe not all of your atheist friends will pick up on that.

00:37:40.800 But first of all, the word of God does not return void. Seeds will be planted. Also,

00:37:44.660 it will start conversations. I promise you that. And the Lord is going to use this.

00:37:50.960 I hope so.

00:37:51.600 That's why we made it.

00:37:52.480 Be a part of it. Whoisnefarious.com, right?

00:37:54.500 That's the website. You can get tickets at nefarioustickets.com.

00:37:57.360 Nefarious tickets.

00:37:58.320 But if you want to see the trailer and everything, whoisnefarious.com.

00:38:00.660 Yeah.

00:38:01.020 And tickets are available at nefarioustickets.com.

00:38:03.380 We'll link both of those things in the description of this episode. Thanks so much,

00:38:06.640 Steve. I really appreciate it.

00:38:07.640 You bet. Anytime.

00:38:07.960 Anytime.

00:38:08.100 Anytime.

00:38:08.220 Anytime.

00:38:14.660 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 05, 2023

Ep 783 ｜ Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency？｜ Guest： Steve Deace

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 05, 2023

Ep 783 ｜ Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency？ ｜ Guest： Steve Deace

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Ep 783 ｜ Is Trump Headed to Prison or the Presidency？｜ Guest： Steve Deace