00:01:44.200We really, because we thought that that was the only day that we were going to get to go.
00:01:48.280My husband, who is a big golf fan, he wanted to walk the entire course, see everything, watch some players.
00:01:55.420But we really just wanted to take in the experience, which of course, if you know, you know, includes the pimento cheese sandwiches, the peach ice cream sandwiches, which are all, this is part of the charm of the Masters, the uniqueness of the Masters.
00:02:19.040So after some Easter festivities in the morning, we got to go and that was great.
00:02:24.580It was a really, it was a really, really fun weekend.
00:02:26.880And I hope you all had a really fun weekend as well.
00:02:30.160One thing that I was thinking about the resurrection and go back and listen to Thursday's episode.
00:02:36.200If you haven't already with an apologetics pastor and a new Testament scholar talking about the proof that we have for the resurrection, such an encouraging conversation.
00:02:44.680And per your request, I will definitely be having him back.
00:02:49.200I think we'll probably do some kind of series with him and just ask the apologetics questions or the questions that you have about the faith and the Bible to him.
00:02:59.880So one thing that I was thinking about though, because I got this message and I think conservative Christians get this kind of message or get this kind of comment a lot.
00:03:09.420And I don't say this for you guys to feel bad for me or anything like that.
00:03:13.500You guys know I've chosen to have this job and talk about the things that I do.
00:03:17.700So I've been dealing with mean, spiteful messages for a long time, but, and I don't really talk about them, but this kind of message, I'm sure a lot of you can relate to because you've probably heard something like this in your own life.
00:03:32.420If you've ever stood for a life inside the womb, or you've ever stood for a so-called controversial topic, like the reality of God, making us male and female things like that, that have turned into these culture war hot button issues today.
00:03:44.780And this person messages me, obviously progressive.
00:03:47.760You can tell because the pronouns are in the profile, what they post about.
00:03:51.200And she says, you know, people like you are the exact reason I'm not a Christian anymore.
00:03:57.860And like I said, don't feel bad for me because the number of messages that I get of positivity and encouragement, uh, so far outnumber those kinds of messages.
00:04:09.520Of course, those kinds of messages, they come through and they can be hurtful or some kinds of messages can be hurtful and mean and all that kind of stuff.
00:04:17.840But the messages and the emails and the interactions, the conversations that I have with the vast, vast, vast majority of you that are encouraging, that are edifying, that are uplifting, that tell me that by God's grace, he's used something that I said or something that I wrote or something that one of my guests said to either change your mind on something consequential,
00:04:38.200or even help you understand the gospel, um, they so far outweigh any of those negative messages, actually an amazing tweet the other day from one of you saying that, um, you were suicidal, you were in the throes of postpartum depression, but then you were listening to my podcast and you heard the gospel for the first time, even after having grown up in the church and it changed your life, not me, but the gospel itself.
00:05:00.740That's just what the grace of God does.
00:05:02.060So those kinds of messages are, they are many times more than this kind of message, but okay, let me get to, let me get to my point.
00:05:12.380Uh, this person said, you know, you're the kind of person that made me not be a Christian anymore.
00:05:17.200And I'm sure you guys have heard something like that and it could be really difficult.
00:05:21.120You can wonder, okay, should I not be talking about the things that I do?
00:05:24.260Should I just be like, oh, you know, whatever you want to do is great.
00:05:28.300We're just supposed to be all about acceptance and tolerance and just nice and never talk about any conscious, anything controversial or divisive quote unquote.
00:05:37.180But the reality is whenever you get a message like that or hear a comment like that, and you're tempted to think, wow, maybe I shouldn't say the controversial truth about these things.
00:05:47.180Maybe it is too mean to say that men can't be women or life inside the womb matters, whatever it is.
00:05:53.660Keep in mind, keep in mind that that person is not an unbeliever because of you or because of any other person.
00:06:03.680That person is an unbeliever because they don't believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, period.
00:06:09.200They don't believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead.
00:06:39.280Or maybe they just had a disagreement that they counted as bigotry or whatever.
00:06:43.820All of those things might be true, but none of those reasons are the ultimate reason why anyone is not a Christian.
00:06:49.960Anyone who is not a Christian is not a Christian because they don't believe that Jesus Christ was resurrected.
00:06:56.720If you believe that this person named Jesus predicted his own death and predicted being raised again, then that changes everything.
00:07:09.540You have to listen to everything that he has to say that validates everything that he said before he was raised from the dead.
00:07:18.360If you believe that Jesus Christ was raised from the dead, that he then is God made flesh, that he then ascended to be at the right hand of the father.
00:07:29.020If you then believe as a consequence of believing in the fact of the resurrection, that he was actually God and that he was sacrificed on our behalf to reconcile us to a holy God who requires a payment for our sins, then it doesn't matter what anyone has said to you.
00:07:50.720It doesn't matter the negative interactions that you've had with people.
00:07:53.900It doesn't matter the maybe poor influence that has been had on you by someone who misrepresented Christ.
00:08:01.640It doesn't matter if you believe that someone is a bigot or offensive or divisive or whatever.
00:08:08.840None of those things would be a big enough obstacle to you in believing in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins.
00:08:17.100The resurrection is way bigger than anyone's personality, anyone's political views, any bad interaction that someone may have had with a Christian.
00:08:29.180And so I understand people try to put that responsibility on you like you tell too much truth or you're too political or you're too divisive or your tone was off or you don't say the things that I want you to say or you hurt me.
00:08:42.440You legitimately betrayed me at some point and that's why I'm not a Christian.
00:08:46.040All of those things may have made legitimately a bad impression on a person.
00:08:50.680And I'm not saying those things, some of those things are good.
00:08:54.780But some of the bad interactions that people have had with a Christian, none of those are the ultimate reason why anyone on earth is not a Christian.
00:09:04.320Anyone who is not a Christian is not a Christian because they don't believe that Jesus was raised from the dead.
00:09:10.680Therefore, they don't believe that he's God.
00:09:13.320They don't believe that his death was a sufficient sacrifice for sins.
00:09:21.300That is ultimately why they are not a Christian.
00:09:24.420So you, Christian, don't allow yourself to be beholden to a comment like that or to be beholden to the opinions of unbelievers.
00:09:35.060Remember, the gospel is a stench of death to those who are dying, to those who are not in Christ.
00:09:42.360And so, yes, we should speak the truth in love.
00:09:45.920Yes, we should try to be as persuasive as possible.
00:09:48.380But don't allow comments like that or the fear of comments like that to inhibit you from speaking the truth, from saying what needs to be said.
00:09:58.480Of course, the world is always going to call it mean.
00:10:01.280It doesn't matter how kindly you say it, how lovingly you say it, how empathetically you say it.
00:10:06.920If you go against the progressive, secular, humanist zeitgeist of today, you are still going to be called a bigot.
00:10:14.680You are still going to be told you're the reason why people hate Christians.
00:10:18.320No, people hate Christians because they hate Christ, period.
00:10:28.620In love, he predestined us for adoption as sons before he laid the foundations of the world, okay?
00:10:34.040So even though we should do our absolute best to be proper representations of Christ and to be, by the power of the Holy Spirit, ambassadors of his love and his gospel,
00:10:46.100understand that God's sovereignty cannot be thwarted by a bad impression that someone gets of Christians because of what they deem to be a negative interaction.
00:11:35.820So we're going to talk about this and that kind of is the context for this story.
00:11:39.700But because so many of you sent me this NPR story, I wanted to start with this and react to it.
00:11:45.020So many of you asked me to respond to it.
00:11:47.940And the summary is that NPR published a story last week, April 6th, about a Texas mom who they believe tragically could not get an abortion at 20 weeks due to Texas's abortion law restricting abortion after a heartbeat is protected.
00:12:04.520So they were hoping to, and they successfully did this on Instagram provoke sympathy for women who have to bring their pregnancies to term because of what they would call this draconian abortion law that was made possible by the Dobbs decision that was published last year that overturned Roe v. Wade.
00:12:22.920So here is the caption and we'll put up, uh, some of the pictures that they put up in this, uh, on this Instagram post.
00:12:32.120Her name was Halo and she was born in Texas last week on March 29th, two months early and weighing three pounds.
00:12:37.480She lived for four hours, dying in the arms of her father, uh, Louis Valisana, or it's probably, uh, Viasana.
00:12:45.200Her mother, Samantha Cassiano knew their baby wouldn't survive long because she had, um, anencephaly part of Halo's brain and skull never developed.
00:12:54.740Now they can't afford to give their newborn daughter the funeral.
00:12:57.900They would like to give her a Cassiano got the diagnosis three days after Christmas at a prenatal appointment.
00:13:04.640When she was 20 weeks pregnant, I was told that she's incompatible with life.
00:13:09.700She asked her OBGYN what her options were.
00:13:11.900Cassiano says her doctor told her, well, because of the new law, you don't have any options.
00:13:16.240You have to go on with your pregnancy.
00:13:18.520Texas has among the strictest abortion laws in the country, says NPR, with three overlapping bans.
00:13:24.160One abortion ban predated Roe v. Wade.
00:13:26.520Another was triggered when Roe was overturned and comes with a maximum penalty of life in prison for providing, not getting, but providing an abortion in Texas.
00:13:35.800There's also SBA, which allows people to bring civil charges for aiding or abetting an abortion in the state.
00:13:42.960So that means that you're not going to go to jail, um, for, for doing so, but you could have to pay some kind of fine.
00:13:50.120We talked about SBA when it was passed a while ago.
00:13:53.420Cassiano knew that Texas banned abortions, but she didn't think these laws would apply in a situation where the fetus was certain to die.
00:15:31.960Really, sometimes in rare cases, the baby might live past a few hours.
00:15:37.280Maybe sometimes a few weeks, at least from what I've read.
00:15:40.200I don't have personal experience from this, but from the information that we've gathered in our research, there really isn't some kind of cure for this.
00:15:48.440And so I'm very sad that these parents, this mom and dad, had to experience this.
00:15:53.260From what I've read, this was a very wanted baby.
00:15:55.520And so any parent would feel absolutely crushed to hear that at the 20-week anatomy scan.
00:16:00.720I just had my own 20-week anatomy scan.
00:16:04.120And of course, you're going in with so many nerves, just hoping that the doctor, the sonographer tells you that everything is okay.
00:16:11.660And maybe you're waiting until then to find out the gender.
00:16:15.300And so there's so much excitement at that point.
00:16:17.080You've been able to feel probably your baby start kicking.
00:16:22.460I feel for this father who wanted this baby, who went into their 20-week anatomy scan, so excited to see their little baby's face, only to find out that she has this terrible anomaly that means that she won't survive.
00:16:35.760So I feel so much sadness and so much devastation for them, knowing that they were absolutely crushed.
00:16:44.580And I also feel for her that for, you know, 20 or so, well, I guess not 20 full weeks since this baby was born two months early, but several weeks after this, she probably felt her baby move.
00:16:58.820She knew that there was another heartbeat inside of her that she wasn't going to get to see grow up.
00:17:03.760All of the things that she bought for the nursery, all the plans that she had, the names that she had picked out.
00:17:08.720I mean, she knew that this child that she loved, that she created, would not grow up to fulfill all of the milestones and all of the memories that she had already projected and predicted for her.
00:17:22.340So I feel so much sadness for this family.
00:17:25.600I do not feel sadness that they were not able to abort this child.
00:17:30.220Look, this child is still a human being made in the image of God.
00:17:35.460And either way, the child had to come out.
00:17:38.720And so why would I feel sadness that this child was not dismembered inside the womb?
00:18:48.740She got to see her daughter's little face before she took her last breaths.
00:18:54.360You're telling me that that is more traumatic than knowing that you poisoned and then dismembered your child while she was wiggling inside your womb?
00:19:26.780She got to know how loved she was rather than just feeling the sterile and and cold grip of the medical tools, the surgical tools that would have been used to tear her apart limb from limb.
00:19:41.320And yet most of the comments that you see in this NPR post are people saying how awful this is, how unsympathetic this is, that this isn't caring about women.
00:19:58.800How could you think like if you have a if you have a heart and a mind and a soul that functioned, that it would be better to poison and dismember this baby that has to come out of the womb anyway?
00:20:10.000And so I am again, I feel for this family.
00:20:16.160I don't see how this story should convince me.
00:20:21.300That abortion needs to be less restricted.
00:20:28.960Like there are some stories out there that we've seen where the mothers almost die.
00:20:33.640And basically because of the neglect and the fear of the doctors and nurses, they don't do anything until this mother is literally about to take her dying breath.
00:20:43.400And then they remove the child from the womb.
00:20:47.060By the way, all pro-lifers understand that there is a reason to remove the child from the womb.
00:20:53.720If the mother is about to die and as NPR even admits Texas law, all pro-life laws in America allow for that.
00:21:03.460Like if the mother in Texas, it even says a major bodily function is being disrupted or is being damaged in some way.
00:21:49.720And unfortunately, either because of the hospitals, the hospital associations, the lawyers that represent these hospitals that are choosing to be opaque or choosing to be vague or choosing to fearmonger maybe for the sake of politics,
00:22:05.520a lot of doctors, I guess, are operating under fear and won't actually protect their patients in these very difficult situations.
00:22:12.780And so that, okay, might be a reason to make these laws as crystal clear as possible to ensure that these laws are extremely transparent when it comes to saving the life of the mother and things like that.
00:22:29.960However, this doesn't convince me at all that these laws are problematic.
00:22:36.480This particular story just sounds like a tragedy that was endured, but that ended in a way that at least allowed for a moment of love and connection between parents and her child that abortion never would have.
00:22:55.700Abortion would have just ended in destruction and death and cruelty and brutality.
00:23:39.700These stories are going to continue to be propagated by outlets like NPR because there is a continued battle about access or over access to abortion,
00:23:52.200including the abortion pill, which is very popular among women who are seeking abortions.
00:23:57.940And so that is the latest development in this war that centers on the so-called right to kill a child just because the child happens to be small and exists inside the womb.
00:24:29.920OK, so there is a judge, a Trump-appointed judge, and his name is Matthew Kazmarek.
00:24:38.980Kazmarek also had to look at the pronunciation of that last name to make sure I had it correct.
00:24:43.640So he is the United States District Judge of the District Court for the Northern District of Texas.
00:24:51.700Like I said, he's a Trump-appointed justice.
00:24:54.620He issued a ruling which could stop the prescribing and distribution of mifepristone, one of two drugs used to perform abortions via a pill.
00:25:06.920So this pill is typically used in the first six to eight weeks of pregnancy.
00:25:13.080After that, we've gone through the different methods for abortion and they get I mean, they're all brutal because you are all in a very violent way ending the life of an innocent and defenseless human being who has been a human being since the point of conception.
00:25:32.180But as far as the description goes, it really gets more and more invasive and more violent and brutal the further into pregnancy that you go.
00:25:42.540It's still killing a child, even if it's just through a pill.
00:25:47.160And so obviously pro-lifers, pro-life organizations and pro-life legislators have tried to stop the distribution and the prescription of this pill, which has been advocated for very fiercely by the Biden administration.
00:26:04.160It's also been used as a way to get around some state laws that ban abortion.
00:26:11.080People have been able to get pills from places that are outside of their red state so that they can kill their child between six to eight weeks.
00:26:18.580And there has also been decisions made that make it easy for someone to get this via mail and to not even have to see a doctor.
00:26:26.220I mean, consider that think if you are a woman who believes that you are six weeks pregnant, but maybe you are actually 12 weeks pregnant.
00:26:35.240Obviously, that's going to be dangerous for the child inside your womb, but that's also going to be very dangerous for you.
00:26:40.940That child is going to be really too big to be just passed through you.
00:26:47.460You are going to end up having to go to the emergency room.
00:26:51.580And that also puts a woman's life in jeopardy.
00:26:54.760So for the people who say you're pro-abortion pill, you're pro-abortion pill by mail, you shouldn't even have to see a midwife or a nurse or a doctor or anything to see how far along you are in your pregnancy because you're pro-woman.
00:27:13.680And it's obviously, because abortion never is, safe for the child inside the womb.
00:27:19.120So he actually stayed his opinion, this judge, for seven days to allow the Biden administration time to appeal.
00:27:25.760Shortly after the opinion came out, a Washington state federal judge issued a contradictory ruling.
00:27:30.220The conflict could eventually escalate the battle to the Supreme Court.
00:27:33.920And this all stems from a lawsuit that was filed by the Alliance Defending Freedom, arguing that the FDA never had the authority to approve the drug.
00:27:41.900Like, I love Alliance Defending Freedom.
00:27:44.420Like, I would recommend supporting them financially if you can.
00:27:47.640They and a lot of other freedom-loving, human rights-loving law firms are just doing incredible work.
00:27:56.840And, like, we should be all grateful and support them however we can.
00:28:00.200So let's talk a little bit more about this and what actually went on here.
00:28:08.640So as I said, this is a very popular method for abortion.
00:28:13.140More than half of abortions in the U.S. are completed using pills.
00:28:16.660And so if this ruling prevails, if the Trump appointee judge's ruling prevails, this could mean the biggest blow to abortion, abortion access, since Roe v. Wade was overturned.
00:28:31.120It would make it really difficult for women to obtain an abortion for a lot of women who they haven't gone into Planned Parenthood or they don't live in a state where they can go into a Planned Parenthood and get an abortion.
00:28:47.300And it's not entirely clear at this point how the ruling is going to affect the immediate availability of this drug.
00:29:01.860Some people are saying that we shouldn't enforce or that the FDA shouldn't follow this ruling at all or that they don't even have to follow the ruling.
00:29:11.920The FDA is probably going to appeal the decision, but the legal status of the drug is probably going to be the subject of confusion for a while, especially with this other ruling coming out of Washington.
00:29:28.600And so this has been on the market for a long time.
00:29:31.140Obviously, after the overturning of Roe v. Wade, there has been a fight over it, whether this should be available or not.
00:29:41.560But so Kaczmarek, he said in his ruling that the FDA rushed the process to approve this drug and actually violated federal standards.
00:29:52.460He says the court does not second guess FDA's decision making lightly.
00:29:56.500But here, FDA acquiesced on its legitimate safety concerns in violation of its statutory duty based on plainly unsound reasoning and studies that did not support its conclusions.
00:30:07.540Kaczmarek also hinted that the agency might have given into political pressure to approve the drug and alleged that it stonewalled any potential challenges to its approval.
00:30:17.240He found that the approval process for mifepristone was flawed, which would revoke access not just in the district where the case happened, but the entire but the entire country.
00:30:31.020So Kaczmarek is talking about when the FDA approved this pill 20 years ago.
00:30:36.520He's saying that they basically prevented any judicial review of this decision until now.
00:30:42.260That's why it's taking 20 plus years for a judge to rule on this.
00:30:47.160He's saying that it was 20 years ago that they rushed the process, that they were listening to political pressure rather than looking at the real safety of the drug.
00:30:56.180Because as we mentioned, there are a lot of side effects that come to this drug, whether or not you actually see a doctor before you are prescribed the drug.
00:31:05.180There are a lot of side effects and the FDA approved it.
00:31:07.680This judge is saying not based on science, but because of political pressure, which we know is true of the FDA.
00:31:13.160But he said that this has been true for a very long time.
00:31:17.140And so this is just going to cause a lot of chaos and confusion.
00:31:21.620But for right now, it does look like this is a win in the way of protecting that life in inside inside the womb.
00:31:30.440Also, it's important to note that in 2016, the FDA increased the gestational age of the unborn baby when abortion drugs are allowed from seven weeks to 10, reduced the number of required office visits from three to one, allowed non-doctors to prescribe and administer the pills and eliminated their requirement for prescribers to report non-fatal adverse events from chemical abortion pills.
00:31:51.740And in 2021, during COVID and after Joe Biden was elected president, the FDA announced that it would allow abortion pills, as we already say, to be dispensed through the mail.
00:32:04.540And so Kaczmarek's concerns about what they did 20 years ago, I would say there are even bigger concerns today that it's obvious that this is not about health.
00:32:14.020This is not about women's rights, even.
00:32:50.780I would say in addition to gender ideology advocates, abortion advocates, especially I'm talking like the activist class, the shout your abortion type people, which I would say accounts for a larger percentage of people on the left who are pro abortion.
00:33:10.040Then a lot of people on the left want to admit, including Democrats in Congress, they are cruel.
00:33:21.260In some cases, I think demon possessed.
00:33:23.620Like if you looked at the reaction to the overturning of Roe v. Wade, that just said states can states can decide the firebombing of pregnancy clinics, the absolute slander and libel about what these pregnancy clinics do.
00:33:40.660Just outright hate and vitriol and violence and banshee, like screaming from these people.
00:33:50.540It's I mean, there's no other explanation for this except for a worship of Satan, which I mean, you you do.
00:33:59.720So whether you say that you're a Satan worshiper and or not, Ephesians 2 makes that very clear.
00:34:04.900You are either worshiping the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work of the sons of disobedience, or you are worshiping Christ by grace through faith.
00:34:14.460And so definitely satanic following and satanic possession there.
00:34:18.500But I think it's extremely blatant when you're looking at gender ideology and abortion ideology.
00:34:22.620And so they worship abortion so much, they are willing to sacrifice even children on the altar of progressive ideology that they are saying, these anti-fascist leftists, they are basically saying that the federal government should override the checks and balances that are supposed to be provided by the judicial branch of the government and just say, nope, abortion pills for all.
00:34:49.280AOC was just talking to Anderson Cooper on CNN about this.
00:34:56.680There has been thought, I believe, given to this.
00:34:58.960Senator Ron Wyden has already issued statements, for example, advising what we should do in a situation like this, which I concur, which is that I believe that the Biden administration should ignore this ruling.
00:35:31.860They would call that Nazi-like, somehow Christian nationalism, white supremacy.
00:35:38.940Oh, we're just going to override the checks and balances which protect us from being a dictatorship, that protect us from just being a monarchy.
00:35:48.700This pro-democracy crowd says, well, we should just override the checks and balances to ensure that we get what we want.
00:35:56.760And these are the same people, these are the same people that make it such a huge deal when someone like Governor Ron DeSantis says, you know what, I'm going to use the tools constitutionally available to me to ensure that other entities like Disney, for example, are not trampling on the rights and the voices of the constituents in my state.
00:36:17.400They call that fascism, but it's not fascism when a president with an iron fist simply says, we are not going to ignore a ruling by a judge simply because we are that desperate to allow women to go hire someone to kill their babies.
00:36:35.300How do you not see that that's the side of evil?
00:36:37.700Like if you are a Christian or a professing Christian, how do you not see that?
00:36:41.760I understand the evil people are evil, evil going to evil, depraved going to depraved again, mushy brains, minds of oatmeal.
00:36:50.980I don't expect evil people to see that they're evil, but I hope people that fancy themselves discerning, that fancy themselves on the side of goodness, that fancy themselves certainly on the side of Christ would see maybe those advocating for the slaughter of unborn children.
00:37:08.540And who are willing to subvert and who are willing to subvert the democratic processes that we've put in place to try to stave off tyranny are wicked.
00:37:19.160Like, I don't know, maybe that side is wicked.
00:38:09.400He was one of the most, probably the most pro-abortion attorneys general of California that has ever existed.
00:38:19.640Of course, he believes himself to be a devout Catholic, but has been one of the most just brutally and vengefully pro-abortion officials in American history.
00:38:33.740I mean, the way that he targeted pro-life pregnancy centers when he was in California, when he was the attorney general of California.
00:38:42.240I mean, nothing short of just absolutely wicked, absolutely evil.
00:38:58.080I mean, a lot of Americans, unfortunately, are very pro-abortion.
00:39:02.200But if he's talking about like American institutions, if he's talking about justice, if he's talking about liberty and justice for all and equality under the law, I'm not really sure that his opinion is sound.
00:39:13.060And it's just ironic that he's saying here, you know, we are transparent in America.
00:39:18.540We show that what we're doing is for the right reasons.
00:39:22.980He doesn't even take the time to explain himself.
00:39:25.940Has he ever taken the time to explain why he believes that poisoning and dismembering babies inside the womb is sound, is constitutional?
00:39:35.020I don't think he has because the left doesn't have to do that.
00:39:55.940OK, here's a vice president, Kamala Harris, reacting to what she believes is just such an egregious ruling by this judge.
00:40:10.300There is no question that the president and I are going to stand with the women of America and do everything we can to ensure that women have the ability to make decisions about their health care, their reproductive health care in a manner that is what they need.
00:40:26.840And they decide that not their government.
00:40:36.220I know this is kind of petty, but her I think her hand gestures are trying to overcompensate for the lack of strength in her words, the lack of security that she has in what she's saying and her ability to communicate.
00:40:51.580Because she tries to be so aggressive with her fists and with her hand motions.
00:40:56.540And it's actually, I think, overcompensating for her the just the instability, both in her voice and actually in the words that she chooses, her inability to really make coherent arguments or to ever really make a point in anything that she's saying.
00:41:12.540And if you follow the logic, if you can, of what she is attempting to argue here, really, she was she would be saying that there should be no restrictions on abortion at all.
00:41:22.960So a woman should decide when and how she wants the child in her womb to be killed.
00:41:29.180And the government shouldn't have anything to say about it.