Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 11, 2023


Ep 786 ｜ Mike Todd’s Blasphemous Easter Service


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

166.2873

Word Count

8,815

Sentence Count

641

Misogynist Sentences

33

Hate Speech Sentences

36


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Mike Todd's Mega Church Transformation Church offered a very disturbing performance on Easter
00:00:08.400 Sunday. Also, ex-collegiate swimmer Riley Gaines was assaulted and ambushed at San Francisco State
00:00:16.100 University last week. We'll get into all of this today. This episode is brought to you by our
00:00:20.640 friends at Good Ranchers. Go to goodranchers.com. Use promo code Allie at checkout. That's
00:00:25.500 goodranchers.com. Code Allie. Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. All right. We have
00:00:41.020 had technical difficulties for the past, I don't know, 30 or so minutes. I was supposed to be
00:00:45.920 interviewing James Lindsay today, and he was going to help me break down the Riley Gaines stuff,
00:00:51.860 the corporations like Bud Light choosing to partner with so-called transgender activists
00:01:00.160 and influencers, despite the fact that it's totally disconnected from their audience. And we were going
00:01:06.120 to talk about the Tennessee Three, and I was really excited to hear all of his takes on that. And we
00:01:11.360 also had some disagreements. Like he has publicly disagreed with me recently on Twitter, and I really
00:01:16.920 wanted to kind of hash that out with him and hear his thoughts on that. And unfortunately, technology
00:01:22.320 is just not complying with us. And so we couldn't make it happen. So I'm solo today. I probably won't
00:01:28.200 get to go through all of the things that I wanted to talk about with him by myself, because I was going
00:01:33.320 to record a very long episode with him and then split it up into two parts. And so it would have
00:01:37.720 probably been at least an hour and a half conversation that we broke up into 45 minute episodes. So I won't get
00:01:45.440 to everything that I wanted to talk about today, but I at least wanted to talk about this Riley Gaines
00:01:50.640 story and probably the Dylan Mulvaney thing, even though I really tire, I really tire of talking
00:01:56.660 about that person. And yet I think it does make an important and interesting and kind of scary point
00:02:02.600 about where we are. So first, let me talk about what's happening with Riley Gaines. Now, Riley Gaines,
00:02:08.120 you probably know, you've probably seen her. She is a former University of Kentucky swimmer. She's a 12 time
00:02:14.120 all American. And she was speaking at San Francisco State University last week and was assaulted by a
00:02:23.020 man in a dress, punched, according to her, by a man in a dress and was mobbed by a violent and radical
00:02:31.520 and rabid crowd of trans left wing activists. Now, the reason for this is because as a collegiate
00:02:39.420 swimmer, she had to go up against Will slash Leah Thomas, you'll remember that Leah Thomas previously
00:02:48.580 will was also a collegiate swimmer and he swam for the University of Pennsylvania. He was obviously
00:02:54.300 pretty good because you don't get to the college level in athletics unless you have good skill. But
00:03:00.280 he was, I don't know, number like 300 or something in the world when it came to men's swimming. And then
00:03:07.320 he decided in college that he was going to start identifying and presenting as a woman. And if
00:03:13.520 you've seen pictures like not really that difference, that different appearance wise,
00:03:18.620 just kind of longer hair, maybe some lip gloss. And this person has been glorified, has been glamorized
00:03:25.520 by Time Magazine, by other outlets, of course, by the leftist media and activists saying what a brave
00:03:35.260 person he is for now competing against women who can never match his strength. Because even if he
00:03:43.240 takes hormones, even if he is on estrogen, which I don't really know if he is, I imagine that he is
00:03:48.900 on some kind of hormone regimen. He still has a much longer wingspan than them. Always will. He still
00:03:56.420 has a greater aerobic and anaerobic capacity. He always will. He has a bigger heart. That means you can
00:04:02.940 pump blood faster. That means you can typically go faster. He has greater bone density. He has greater
00:04:08.820 muscle mass. And why is that? Because he went through male puberty. Once you go through male
00:04:13.180 puberty, the changes that are made in the male body are totally, well, not totally, but not entirely
00:04:19.980 reversible. You still have all of the physical benefits that were afforded to you in puberty for
00:04:27.800 the rest of your life. You are never going to be as small as or as weak as the average woman. Yes,
00:04:34.400 a very weak man might be weaker than a very strong woman. But you'll remember, by the way, all of these
00:04:40.500 stories back before we talked about transgender issues of high school boys or amateur boys competing
00:04:50.920 against professional women in sports. Remember the U.S. women's soccer team, they competed against a
00:04:57.300 group of 15 year old boys, a 15 year old soccer player boys and the U.S. women's soccer team,
00:05:05.400 the U.S. women's soccer team, professional adult women's soccer players lost to a group of 15 year
00:05:12.600 old boys. That's because you can't compete. Women cannot compete against boys or men who have gone through
00:05:18.640 male puberty. It doesn't matter what age they are, as long as they've gone through puberty. And it
00:05:23.880 really doesn't matter what kind of hormones they're on. There is still an inherent and an unfair benefit
00:05:30.540 that those men and boys carry. And so to say that someone like Leah Thomas is brave for competing
00:05:39.300 against people who just aren't going to be able to be as competitive against her as males are.
00:05:43.860 It's absolutely ridiculous. It's absolutely absurd. It's the exact opposite of brave.
00:05:49.980 It is humiliating, I think, both for him and for everyone around him. But it's also very cowardly.
00:05:57.140 So Riley Gaines, for her part, has spoken up about this and good for her. Good for her. There was a
00:06:15.860 competition that she's spoken about where she actually tied Leah Thomas, which is incredible.
00:06:21.460 Um, and she tells this story. She was on an outkick podcast. She tells this story about how they tied
00:06:30.480 and there was only one trophy. And so she asked the officials in this competition, okay, why does
00:06:37.480 Leah get this trophy? And I don't, if we both tied, like, how did you come to that decision? Because
00:06:44.480 that's what they said. They said, well, we're just going to give him, or they probably said her,
00:06:48.480 the trophy, even you, even though y'all had the same time. And they said something, which I think
00:06:53.160 is very, was very mysterious and strange at the time. And they said, well, Leah has to take home
00:06:58.960 the trophy because, uh, he, or they probably said she has to take pictures with the trophy. And so
00:07:07.940 right there, you're seeing that not only are men being able to compete against women, but they are
00:07:13.340 also actually taking precedence over women because of the brave act of dressing up as the opposite
00:07:21.040 sex. Riley has also talked about having to change in front of him, not knowing that she was sharing
00:07:29.260 a locker room with a man and then seeing him get naked, fully intact in front of a bunch of girls. She
00:07:35.880 wasn't informed about this. The girls did not consent to this. This used to constitute a sexual
00:07:41.080 harassment and he would have been kicked out. He would have been screamed out rightfully. So
00:07:47.900 the locker room, and he probably would have gotten punished by law, but now we celebrate it and we
00:07:53.600 scream at the girls who are uncomfortable with this. And that's exactly what happened at San Francisco
00:07:58.700 state university. Riley gains was giving one of the many speeches that she has given in the past couple
00:08:04.740 of years talking about fairness and access in women's sports for girls. And I am very thankful
00:08:12.180 that she is using her platform, that she is using her voice for this. I don't even know if she's a
00:08:18.420 conservative. I don't know. I don't know if we align in all of our values, but we do align in this.
00:08:24.000 And I'm very thankful for her perspective. And so she knew she was going into the lion's den. If you're
00:08:28.800 going into San Francisco, and here was the reaction, here was the reaction to her speech.
00:08:35.480 I'm coming. I'm good. I'm good.
00:08:59.120 All right. So if you are just listening to that, you can't watch it. Obviously you heard the
00:09:12.960 vitriol. Honestly, it sounds like demonic possession. These people are so incredibly
00:09:18.380 unhinged. They're obviously cussing at her, calling her all of these interestingly misogynistic
00:09:25.660 names that only women receive. And they're yelling ridiculous maxims, like trans women are
00:09:34.900 women. Again, that's a circular definition. If you can't actually define what woman is,
00:09:40.240 then saying something like trans women are women is the same thing as saying like a cat is a woman.
00:09:46.160 If you can't define cat and you can't define woman, then that saying is meaningless. And so,
00:09:50.620 of course, they are yelling these meaningless maxims at her and they are chasing her down a
00:09:56.620 hallway. She does have police that's escorting her. She was escorted into a classroom and she
00:10:02.780 had to be barricaded in that classroom while this mob was screaming at her, calling her all of these
00:10:08.440 names, saying things like trans women are women and extorting her saying, you are not allowed to leave
00:10:13.780 this classroom safely until we get money from you. She actually missed her flight because of this.
00:10:19.640 So her life was threatened. She also says she was assaulted twice by a man with a dress. Now,
00:10:24.820 I've said before, I think what's underneath a lot of these men transitioning into women is actually a
00:10:29.140 hatred of women, a desire to humiliate themselves, to sissify themselves, but also to humiliate the women
00:10:36.520 around them. I actually think through an addiction to very dark forms of pornography, all pornography is
00:10:42.880 dark, but particularly dark forms of pornography. They have learned this kind of mentality and behavior and
00:10:48.560 them trying to be like women is actually a form of hatred of women. And, um, I think that that is
00:10:55.800 what we absolutely see manifested here. So she actually was able to get, to give her talk and
00:11:02.480 thank God for that, that there were some people that actually did hear truth. Her talk started about
00:11:07.020 7 30 PM. There were 75 students about respectfully sharing differing views on transgender athletes in
00:11:13.880 sports. Uh, but then this happened as she, as she was leaving. And so the undercover campus cop fled,
00:11:23.280 um, to another room as these people were chasing her. Now, Riley has said that, um, that these campus
00:11:34.360 police officers were different than any kind of campus police officers that she's dealt with before,
00:11:41.160 just very negligent. She said that police skipped out on a meeting that they were supposed to have
00:11:48.040 90 minutes prior to her speech. They gave her no contingency plan of escape. I've never dealt with
00:11:54.440 a reaction this fierce when I've spoken on a college campus, but I always have security. I always have
00:12:00.880 armed officers and they always talk to you. Hey, I'll be right here. If anything happens,
00:12:05.640 this is where we're going to go. This is the signal that you need to give me. If you ever feel
00:12:11.660 uncomfortable, we'll be posted here. And so even I who have not dealt with this kind of level of
00:12:19.100 writing and violence and threats, even I know that these security officers are supposed to give you a
00:12:25.900 plan of contingency. They're supposed to have meetings with the event organizers, with each other,
00:12:30.520 with the head of security, just to make sure everything is good to go. It's not just your
00:12:34.440 protection that they are interested in. They also shouldn't be interested in the protection of the
00:12:38.860 entire campus because you just never know what kind of radicalized weirdo is going to show up with a
00:12:44.100 gun. You absolutely have to have a plan in place. And Riley said this, what I noticed about these
00:12:50.200 police, what they actually admitted to was they didn't feel comfortable asserting themselves in a way
00:12:53.700 that would make them seem as if they were in a position where they could be accused of racism
00:12:57.340 or transphobia. Oh, my gosh. How terrifying is this? What cowards? Don't become police officers.
00:13:08.820 Don't be in the don't be in the line of work that requires you to offer security to someone if that's
00:13:16.820 what you're more afraid of. SFSU police have reached out to set up a meeting in an attempt to clarify what
00:13:23.780 happened. But no one else from the university has contacted her. But the university did issue this
00:13:29.680 stunning statement saying, you know, we support our trans community. We support our students. We
00:13:37.060 also support free speech. And then they said this after that scene, they said this. Thank you to our
00:13:43.060 students who participated peacefully and Thursday evening's event. It took tremendous bravery to stand
00:13:48.360 in a challenging space. Boo hoo. Gosh, our college students are so fragile. Thanks to progressivism.
00:13:54.560 I am proud of the moments the university said where we listened and asked insightful questions. Okay,
00:13:59.120 that's fine. I am also proud of the moments when our students demonstrated the value of free speech
00:14:03.360 and the right to protest peacefully. These issues do not go away. These values are very much at our core.
00:14:08.040 No condemnation, by the way, in the statement, no condemnation towards the students who were not
00:14:12.760 peaceful, who were actually very violent. There's going to be no, probably no criminal charges against
00:14:18.180 them. Now, Riley has gone on Tucker Carlson and has said, hey, I'm going to do something legally about
00:14:24.140 this. We are going to ensure that there are repercussions against the student, these students. And I hope
00:14:28.620 she's successful in that. There, there absolutely needs to be consequences for people who are acting in
00:14:33.820 this way. No, this is not, this is not a celebration of free speech. These students who are screaming down a
00:14:42.160 woman who is simply talking about fairness in women's sports. These are the very people who I guarantee
00:14:47.800 you seriously with a straight face, walk around and identify themselves as anti-fascist when they're
00:14:53.800 constantly in the business of suppressing other people's speech. And she brought this up. And I
00:15:00.400 know, as we've said before, it gets tiresome, tiresome to constantly talk about, oh, if this happened
00:15:05.860 in the other direction, or if conservatives were on the side of this, just imagine the response. Yeah,
00:15:11.700 we all know. We all know that we don't live in a world that has the same reactions and responses to
00:15:19.300 conservatives as it does to leftists, because all of the institutions, private and public, are
00:15:25.160 completely captured by this left-wing ideology. And so they're always going to be more sympathetic to
00:15:30.100 even violent left-wing causes. Obviously, we saw that with BLM and with Antifa in 2020 and 2021.
00:15:37.220 And we are certainly seeing that now with trans activism, which has shown itself to be extremely
00:15:44.120 violent in nature. But Riley did point this out, and I think it's worth saying that she pointed this
00:15:51.560 out, that if the roles were reversed, like if this were at Liberty University, okay, which is a pretty
00:15:56.640 conservative university in Virginia, and some kind of queer activist, some kind of trans activist
00:16:04.400 showed up to give a speech about the importance of trans inclusion in sports, and this is what
00:16:10.140 happened. You had a bunch of conservative students, a bunch of scary, toxic white males chasing this
00:16:16.620 poor, quote unquote, trans woman into a room, extorting her. They would be charged by the DOJ with
00:16:24.720 terrorism. They would be going to prison for years. The media would still be talking about this. They
00:16:32.160 wouldn't stop talking about this. They would say, this is the same spirit of the January 6th
00:16:37.440 insurrection. See, white supremacist, transphobic terrorism is the greatest threat to this country.
00:16:44.340 They would be memorializing this day. They would be talking about it for the next several years to
00:16:52.280 point to the fact that anti-trans hate is such a big and pervasive part of our country, and Donald Trump
00:17:00.000 supporters and Christianity and white evangelicals are all a part of it. That would be the narrative,
00:17:05.280 and it would be constant, but now it's very hushed. Like, you never see people on the left the way that
00:17:11.600 you see people on the right saying, you know, saying, you know, I'm for, I'm for, you know, transgender
00:17:17.520 inclusion, but I really feel pressure to condemn that. I'm going to condemn that violence. I'm going to
00:17:22.580 call that out. I just, I feel pressure to post on my Instagram or post on Twitter that I am not a part of
00:17:29.200 that group. People on the left or people even center left never feel the pressure to do that.
00:17:34.680 They never do. They're very uniform in their, uh, in their public activism where, whereas people on
00:17:42.300 the right would say, you know, I support Donald Trump, but I don't support that. Or I support,
00:17:47.060 you know, fairness in women's sports, but I don't support that. Like we feel a lot of pressure to make
00:17:52.000 sure that people know that we're not a part of that extreme group over there to clarify our stance and
00:17:58.020 to make sure it's nuanced, to make sure it's properly caveated. People on the left never feel
00:18:03.200 like they have to do that because they know they have cover. They have cover in the media. They even
00:18:07.100 have cover in some of their churches. They have cover from the federal government. They have cover
00:18:11.820 from the corporations. And so they don't have to say, you know, I believe black lives matter,
00:18:17.900 but I'm not in support of those riots. You really didn't see people on the left saying that
00:18:21.840 even professing Christians riots are the voice of the unheard. I don't think that we should
00:18:26.080 criticize these riots because we don't understand. Maybe, maybe looting's okay in the face of
00:18:31.720 injustice. Like you actually saw, you actually saw progressive people and people in the center
00:18:36.760 left and even professing Christians saying that during 2020, but anything that is uncomfortable
00:18:43.200 on the right that happens or that we don't agree with, we all feel like we have to make some kind of
00:18:47.200 public response to kind of justify ourselves and justify being on the side that we are.
00:18:56.660 So we haven't gotten any kind of response. We haven't gotten any kind of response from Joe Biden
00:19:02.360 about this kind of violence. And as far as I know, we haven't seen any kind of statement from the White
00:19:09.660 House. Instead, again, the White House is focused on the fact that apparently trans people are the ones
00:19:15.120 who are under attack. And they've made this announcement over and over again, even after a person
00:19:20.400 who claimed to be transgender murdered six people at a Christian school in Nashville. There was also
00:19:26.780 the story out of Colorado. I don't know if you saw this, that thankfully police arrested a person who
00:19:32.980 identified as transgender who had plans to shoot up a school. And so apparently this is a thing now,
00:19:40.680 but we have to pretend that transphobia is the real problem. Not that this ideology is inherently
00:19:47.700 violent, which it is. I'm not saying all people who are confused about their gender or who want to
00:19:53.360 pretend that they can identify as the opposite sex are violent or want to hurt people. But the ideology
00:19:59.800 itself, the activism that is on the front lines, even the organizations leading this cause, yes,
00:20:05.760 they are inherently violent. And they believe that violence is justified in the face of what they
00:20:11.040 would call discrimination. And so that's why they are totally okay with harassing, with intimidating
00:20:18.780 someone like Riley Gaines. They don't actually care about women's rights. They don't care about
00:20:23.440 empathy and compassion. They don't actually care about inclusion. They care about their ideology.
00:20:28.000 This is what progressivism is and does. It creates a lot of anger. It creates a lot of unrest.
00:20:34.040 It creates discontentment. It creates this desire, this need to destroy. And actually,
00:20:41.300 James said this morning, I'll just steal his talking point that he was able to give me
00:20:45.600 before we actually had to end the interview and just say that we'll reschedule it. He
00:20:50.700 believes that the reason why this is accelerating, because this movement does seem to be accelerating,
00:20:56.340 the reason why it's accelerating is because the gender ideology movement realizes that it's actually
00:21:02.880 not going that well for them, that things actually don't look that good, that people are starting to
00:21:10.280 realize, normal people are starting to realize that, hey, I'm not sure it's totally fair that men are
00:21:17.700 competing against women. Like, I'm not sure it's totally fair that women and girls are getting the
00:21:23.220 short end of the stick, that no longer their privacy is protected, no longer their safety is cared
00:21:28.740 about, no longer their fairness to compete on an equal playing field in sports is something that
00:21:34.560 is prioritized. I don't think this is right. And the more and more ridiculous it gets, I think the
00:21:39.960 harder it is for people not to say, okay, I just can't be on board with this.
00:21:44.600 I don't know if you guys saw, and I don't even have it in my document, but it just came to mind.
00:22:03.640 I'm not sure who I first saw a tweet about it, but there is this ballerina,
00:22:10.540 and let's see, that goes by the name of Sophia Rebecca, who is admitted in 2017 to the Royal Academy
00:22:22.500 of Dance, which is very prestigious. And this person is a man who identifies as a woman. And not
00:22:31.920 only that, but he is actually legitimately a bad ballerina. Like he is bad at dancing. Okay. I'm not a
00:22:39.520 dancer. He may be better than me. And I say, maybe like, I don't actually, I don't actually know,
00:22:45.560 like I'm not confident in saying that. Um, but I know that he's not good. Like I've seen toddler
00:22:52.640 dance recitals and I am fairly confident that three-year-olds who have been training in ballet
00:22:58.300 for six months are a better dancer than him. And yet I guarantee you he, uh, he was, uh, moved to the
00:23:08.100 front of the line in front of women who are actually good at ballet in order to be admitted into the
00:23:15.140 Royal Academy of Dance. Let me just play you this clip of sweet, dainty, six foot three, I don't know,
00:23:23.620 220 pounds, Sophia Rebecca, the beautiful and elegant ballerina.
00:23:30.720 Okay. So as you saw, like you have seen rugby players more delicate than that, right?
00:24:00.860 And look, this person might have been a good male dancer. I don't know. It honestly doesn't look
00:24:07.120 like he has had very much training at all. Apparently he started trying to, oh my gosh,
00:24:12.880 I'm sorry. It's playing on repeat in front of me and it's, it's laughable. It's laughable. Oh my gosh.
00:24:17.960 This is like watching Mrs. Doubtfire. Um, uh, apparently he started dancing in his thirties and
00:24:24.380 then he got accepted to the Royal Academy of Dance. And so this is like gender affirmative action.
00:24:29.540 You can't cut, you can't cut it as a man. And so you identify as the opposite sex and you get all
00:24:35.220 of these privileges more than the women who have worked very hard to be in that position receive.
00:24:41.820 And so that's how it goes. The so-called patriarchy strikes again, so-called toxic masculinity wins
00:24:49.600 again. And yet all of these women, liberal women are clapping like seals saying, no, this is great
00:24:57.500 using fricking she, her pronouns for that behemoth of a person saying, oh no, I'm just being polite
00:25:06.600 and inclusive. No, you're not. You are affirming a lie. You're actually a liar. You are a liar. And
00:25:12.680 you are selling out women. Every time you call a man, she, or her don't say, well, I'm against
00:25:19.140 inclusion of men and these things. I believe in fairness and equality for women. I believe in
00:25:24.500 women's rights and then turn around and call a man, she don't do it. You're a giant hypocrite.
00:25:28.780 You're just scared. You're just scared. You're just scared to say what is true. You're not being
00:25:33.400 polite. You're not being empathetic. You're not being respectful. You're not being compassionate.
00:25:37.840 You are lying because you're scared of people calling you a bad person. Also, did you see that
00:25:43.860 Megan Rapinoe and what's the other girl's name? I don't know that much about women's sports,
00:25:49.260 but Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird, they signed this statement saying that they are against any kind
00:25:58.080 of transgender ban in women's professional sports. And so they are saying, yes, we want men who
00:26:05.300 identify as women to compete against other women and girls, again, for the sake of inclusion,
00:26:11.540 for the sake of love, for the sake of tolerance. No, what's really going on here is that they're
00:26:16.040 scared. They're scared. These women are scared. These former professional athletes are scared.
00:26:22.180 They're scared of the trans mob. They're scared of the progressive activist class that they have now
00:26:28.400 joined for the sake of social points, for the sake of prominence and a platform. They know that they
00:26:35.560 have to be on the left in order to get these brand deals, in order to get these sponsorships,
00:26:42.540 in order to continue to make money post their athletic career. And so they are saying what they
00:26:51.520 are being told that they must say in order to stay relevant, that yes, we should include all
00:26:58.100 quote unquote transgender people in women's sports. Now, here's what's convenient about this.
00:27:04.560 What's convenient about this is that Megan Rapinoe and Sue Bird have already finished their careers.
00:27:10.600 So they don't have to worry about competing against men. In fact, if they had to compete against men
00:27:18.140 when they were actually competing in athletics, they would not be where they are. We would only know
00:27:26.860 the men's names who identify as women. We would not know the name Megan Rapinoe if she had been forced
00:27:32.800 to abide by the policies that she is now pushing for. And so it's all selfish. It's all self-serving.
00:27:39.800 It is all so cowardly. She is already successful. She's finished her career. And so rather than turning
00:27:47.820 around and helping other girls and women who have worked very hard to get to the point that she has,
00:27:54.060 she's pulling up the ladder behind her and saying, no, I got here, but I don't want you to ever get here.
00:27:59.920 And how I am going to ensure that you little girl who loves soccer will never get to where I am
00:28:06.260 is to ensure that there are boys, that there are men that are competing against you, that you will
00:28:10.840 never be able to beat out. And again, how do I know that these girls and women will never be able
00:28:17.020 to fairly compete against men? Because Megan Rapinoe is on that soccer team that competed against 15
00:28:23.880 year old boys and lost. Megan knows that Megan knows that she at her best in her prime lost to a
00:28:37.820 bunch of 15 year old ninth grade boys. And yet she's saying, sure, I think high school men should play
00:28:46.900 against, uh, high school women, college professional level. I think that's great. It's all selfish. It's not
00:28:55.580 about inclusion. It's not about acceptance. Again, it's not about empathy or being a good person. It's actually
00:29:01.380 about being self-serving. She just doesn't care. She just doesn't care about the women coming up after
00:29:06.640 her. She doesn't actually care about the sport that elevated her to the place where she is today. She certainly
00:29:12.100 doesn't care about other girls who don't have the platform and who don't have the privileges that she
00:29:17.680 does. It's all performative and it's so cowardly. It's so cowardly. And all of these people pretend to
00:29:26.560 be so courageous to be on the right side of history. Look, you're on the side of delusion.
00:29:31.940 You're on the side of humiliating women. You're on the side of abuse. You're on the side of injustice.
00:29:37.060 You can be kind to people who are confused about their gender. You can be nice to them,
00:29:42.680 but you don't have to affirm their delusions. If you have a friend who believes that they are fat
00:29:50.200 and who tries to cancel out her calories every day by working out more than she eats,
00:29:59.600 she's a rail, she's really skinny. But every time she looks at her reflection,
00:30:03.260 she sees a little pinch of fat on her hips or too much fat on her thighs, or maybe she thinks that
00:30:09.380 her face is filled out and she's ugly. She has body dysmorphia. She looks at herself and she thinks
00:30:13.940 that she's something that she's not. Are you a kind, loving friend? If you say, hey, fatty,
00:30:19.860 like, why don't you go on a diet? You know what, girl? You are right. Why don't you run another mile?
00:30:25.220 You are fat. You know what? You're actually obese and you do need to lose weight. Are you a loving
00:30:32.980 friend for doing that? No, you're actually very hateful to her. You are affirming a lie that is
00:30:41.040 destructive to her body. And really, if believed on a widespread level would be destructive to society
00:30:47.720 as a whole. Now the uncomfortable, but the more loving option would be to say, look, what you see
00:30:55.500 in the mirror, what you think about your body isn't true. And I know you don't want to hear this.
00:30:58.900 Maybe you don't want to be my friend anymore. Maybe you think that this is unkind, but look,
00:31:02.640 I'm saying it because I love you and because I care about reality that you don't have any fat on your
00:31:07.920 body. And actually like you need to gain weight. I want you to live a long time. I want to reconcile
00:31:14.180 your mind with your body, not the other way around. And I want to get us to a healthy place.
00:31:20.860 So like, let's get help. Let's talk about this. I want to be your friend, but because I love you,
00:31:25.940 I have to affirm physical reality rather than deny it. Now, why, when it comes to, I won't even call it
00:31:32.900 gender dysphoria because I don't think that most of this men, these men, or even a lot of these women
00:31:37.500 actually have gender dysphoria. I think that they, it's a social contagion. I think it's pornography.
00:31:42.040 I think it's past experiences with sexual trauma. I think it's all kinds of things that are not
00:31:46.600 actually diagnoses of, um, gender dysphoria. But when it comes to gender confusion, identity
00:31:53.720 confusion, we take the opposite approach and we say, no, we need to reconcile your body with your
00:31:59.440 mind. Your mind is all messed up. Your mind is all confused. You see something in the mirror. You feel
00:32:04.320 something that just isn't true. It's not attached to reality. And so we're going to try to change your
00:32:10.560 body to conform to that confusion in your mind. I mean, there's a reason why the thoughts of suicide
00:32:15.840 and self-harm still persist after that. It has nothing to do with society has everything to do
00:32:19.680 with the fact that you never actually treated the underlying problem, which is a psychological
00:32:23.240 and emotional. And even I would say spiritual problem that is going on in the hearts and the
00:32:28.920 minds and the souls of these people who are gender confused. You don't address that. You just
00:32:33.100 cut up their body, mutilate their body. You affirm a lie. That's not loving. That's not kind.
00:32:38.340 Like, so be courageous enough to actually love people in a way that they might deem not nice.
00:32:44.920 That's what we as Christians understand. I mean, if you look at the gospels, if you look at the life
00:32:50.220 of Jesus, if you look at the words of Jesus, he was often very harsh. Like as someone who believes
00:32:55.780 in telling the truth, even when it hurts people's feelings, I sometimes read the words of Jesus or the
00:33:01.100 words of God in the epistles. And I think, ouch, I don't like that. You know, I don't like that tone.
00:33:07.700 Sometimes it seems like Jesus, even for me, someone who is okay with sarcasm is a little
00:33:12.500 too sarcastic for me. Like if it were up to me, maybe I'd police his tone. But gosh, I even have
00:33:18.760 a hard time saying that right now because far be it from me to try to criticize or chastise or tone
00:33:23.460 police the God of the universe who is love. First John 4, 8. We as Christians should understand this
00:33:29.060 better than anyone. If we're following the example of Jesus, that the most loving thing to say and do is
00:33:35.100 not always the nice thing. It's not always the affirming thing. It's not always the thing that
00:33:41.000 is going to be the easiest for the recipient to digest in here. And if we truly love the way that
00:33:47.720 God loves, we have to be okay with that. I know you're constantly hearing a message from the world
00:33:54.320 that says that in order to be a true Christian, in order to be truly loving, then you have to be
00:34:04.060 okay with everyone's lifestyle. You have to be okay with everyone's choices. You have to affirm
00:34:08.220 everyone's delusions. But that's not true. That's not the biblical example that is set for us. That's not
00:34:14.300 the Jesus example that is set for us. And by the way, don't be beholden to the opinions of those
00:34:23.700 Christians who don't even believe in the existence of right and wrong, really, who don't even believe
00:34:28.660 in the existence of sin, who really hate so much of what Jesus said. They hate so much of what the
00:34:34.940 Bible has to say. If those people don't love Christ, if they don't love his church, if they don't love
00:34:41.040 God's word, then they're not going to love truth. And so you shouldn't be beholden to their standards
00:34:49.660 of what love is or what hate is. That's a lot of what my upcoming book is about, by the way,
00:34:55.840 how fake and toxic empathy has led especially Christian women into believing things about
00:35:01.140 culture and politics and moral issues that are just not true, that are just not true.
00:35:07.100 So you see here, like someone like Riley Gaines and all of the people who are affected by this,
00:35:13.660 people who don't have public platforms, who don't get to go on Tucker Carlson tonight,
00:35:17.500 and who don't get a bunch of people on Twitter to rally behind them. They're dealing with this
00:35:21.520 stuff on a daily basis, in a private way, in a very hurtful way. They're losing friends. They're
00:35:26.400 losing their status in their community. Maybe they're losing their jobs. Girls are losing
00:35:30.480 scholarships. They're losing opportunities. They're losing privacy. And they're told that you can't say
00:35:35.760 anything. And so we who do have a platform, any platform, whether it's five people, whether it's
00:35:42.140 five million people, whatever place you have in the tiny sphere or the large sphere that you occupy
00:35:48.320 on this universe, use whatever opportunity you have to speak and do and represent that which is good
00:35:55.840 and right and true. I know a lot of people, they don't want to talk about this gender issue. They
00:36:01.060 don't want to talk about the abortion issue because they call it a culture war issue. They call it a
00:36:05.400 political problem. They don't want to be divisive. They don't want to hurt relationships. Oh, I just want
00:36:09.880 to love people. You hear that a lot. People who say that almost always fall on the left wing of
00:36:15.940 issues that they're so naive and just like wrong about those issues because they're unwilling to
00:36:21.140 think about it in a logical way and a practical way. They think that they're so-called leading with
00:36:27.080 empathy and leading with empathy when it comes to these issues actually leads you to make really
00:36:31.920 stupid decisions and suggestions in the way of policy and these cultural and social and moral and
00:36:38.360 even theological issues because you sway from the truth in order to appease someone's feelings.
00:36:44.700 So a lot of people won't wade into these issues because they're afraid of being mean. But look,
00:36:49.960 for the Christian, these are not primarily cultural war issues. They're not primarily political issues.
00:36:57.060 The issue of God making us male and female, the issue of biology is a theological issue for us. It's a
00:37:03.480 biblical issue. It is a Genesis 1 issue. It's actually even more than a Genesis 127 issue that
00:37:10.280 says God made us in his image male and female. It's a Genesis 1 issue. God created the heavens and
00:37:18.100 the earth. Look, if he created the heavens and the earth and that changes everything. He's the creator
00:37:23.360 of all things. That means he's the authority over all things. He says what is and what isn't,
00:37:28.380 what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's bad, what's true and what's false,
00:37:32.420 what's male and what's female. And so if we believe that, that God is the authority over
00:37:39.180 all of it, that he created the heavens and the earth, then we have no other choice but to submit
00:37:45.480 to him, submit to his definitions and to submit to his standards. That's actually the most loving
00:37:50.580 thing that we can do. So when we're talking about the travesty of abortion or when we're talking about
00:37:57.200 the reality of male and female, when we're talking about the definition of marriage, when we're talking
00:38:01.420 about children's rights, not just to be born without being murdered, but also their right
00:38:06.740 to a mother and a father. Um, even their right when it comes to how they're conceived through
00:38:12.040 reproductive technology and surrogacy, like for the Christian, these are not primarily these
00:38:16.920 culture war issues. These are primarily for the Christian biblical issues, Genesis one issues,
00:38:23.180 Genesis one, one issues. And so that's how I really approach this podcast. That's how I approach
00:38:28.060 all of these issues is that, okay, according to God's authority, what is true in this situation?
00:38:33.940 And if it is true, according to God, it is also automatically and inherently loving
00:38:39.000 because first John four, eight says that God is love. And Genesis one 27 says he made us male and
00:38:47.240 female. Therefore, the most loving thing that I can do is agree with and affirm that there's a lot
00:38:53.800 of Christians out there who think that they need to let God off the hook. They need to soften his word.
00:38:59.380 They need to make it a little bit more palatable for the world. Um, because they believe that
00:39:07.360 they're more loving and compassionate than God. And they're not, they're not, that is serving the
00:39:13.420 God of self, not the God of scripture. All right. So we covered all that kind of meandering. I wasn't
00:39:20.620 prepared for this episode really how I wanted it to be because I, I was originally going to talk to
00:39:25.360 James. So forgive my kind of stream of consciousness there. Okay. I'm really only going to talk about one
00:39:30.400 more thing. And that is this transformation church story that you're seeing circulate on Twitter.
00:39:36.860 All right. So I said that I was going to talk about the Dylan Mulvaney stuff. And I was thinking
00:39:54.720 as I was talking, I really want to save that for James because James has some interesting things to
00:39:59.960 say about that and why these corporations are making the choices that they are. Um, so I'm just
00:40:04.940 going to save it. I'm going to save it. I know it's not going to be quite as timely if I wait until
00:40:08.600 then, but I'm going to talk about it with him. And, uh, yeah, we'll discuss that. I just want to
00:40:13.540 talk about this transformation church thing. Uh, so we've talked about Mike Todd before I talked about
00:40:19.600 him a couple of weeks ago. Um, basically apologizing for God. Actually, this is a perfect transition
00:40:26.160 because he is the kind of person, he's the kind of pastor. He's a pastor of a huge church in Tulsa
00:40:31.920 and he is the kind of person that I'm talking about that he feels like he has to let God off
00:40:38.420 the hook. You know, he did this whole rant in a sermon saying, you know, if it were up to me
00:40:46.040 and I'm paraphrasing here, you can go back and listen. I don't think that I am at all
00:40:50.500 misrepresenting the core of his argument. Again, go back and listen to that. We played the context.
00:40:56.660 I'm certainly not trying to be inflammatory here. Basically in some, what he argued was
00:41:03.140 if it were up to me, I would have lots of genders. If it were up to me, I wouldn't,
00:41:07.280 it wouldn't just be male and female. If it were up to me, the issue of male, female marriage,
00:41:11.400 it would be a lot more up in the air. There would be a lot more flexibility there, but that's just what
00:41:17.540 God, God's word says. I gave him some credit. I gave him some credit about that sermon for at least
00:41:23.540 saying that this is what God's word says, but the constant apologizing for it, the constant
00:41:30.020 attempts at softening it. So he doesn't get in too much trouble by the progressive left. It's
00:41:37.120 just abhorrent to me. Again, it's just assuming that you are more loving than God and God is just
00:41:41.460 too mean. He's just too harsh. I saw, uh, Gabe Pinocchio talk about this and it was so good how he was
00:41:50.240 talking about this, how he was just kind of making fun of people who do this and specifically Mike
00:41:55.900 Todd that it's basically like, Oh, I'm just sorry for my boss, man. He's so, he's so awful. I know he's
00:42:03.500 so terrible. It's not my policy. It's his like, you know, complaining about the manager behind his
00:42:09.380 back. Oh, I know. I know. Oh no, dude. I, I get it. I hate this policy too. It's so awful. It's so
00:42:16.280 awful. And if it were up to me, I wouldn't have this policy at all. But the man upstairs, he's just
00:42:21.360 a, he's just a tough guy to tough guy to deal with. Like, do you think that that is the tone of
00:42:26.840 someone or that is the choice of words of someone who fears God, who loves God, who loves his word?
00:42:35.720 No, that's someone who is embarrassed by it, but understands that he has this platform ostensibly
00:42:42.280 for being a pastor. And so he has to actually at least pretend to like the Bible and like God.
00:42:49.820 And yet he's going to constantly try to soften God and who he is and pretend that he is actually
00:42:54.460 more loving than him. Okay. So that's Mike Todd. That's Transformation Church. He's had a lot of
00:42:59.880 other issues. He also just hired Carl Lentz from Hillsong. So lots and lots of issues, I think,
00:43:05.000 with Mike Todd and his church that some of which we've talked about in the past, which is really just
00:43:08.680 sad. There's also very like mainstream, some of which, you know, and probably as Christian
00:43:14.780 women, you follow mainstream organizations and conferences who have platformed Mike Todd
00:43:20.300 and his words, despite the fact that he has not proven himself at all to be an ambassador of the
00:43:25.960 gospel. I'm sorry, dude, you haven't. Like, I think that the Lord can change you. I think that he can
00:43:30.540 give you courage. I think he can give you boldness if you are actually willing to submit to him and
00:43:36.620 submit to his words. But as it is right now, totally, totally irresponsible with the platform
00:43:41.480 that he has been given. So he did an Easter service. All right. I don't know. I guess you
00:43:48.780 could call it this. And it was this entire performance. And I'm going to play you a clip of it.
00:43:55.720 Easter, when there are people who come to church who have never been to church before or who typically
00:44:02.100 don't go to church, but they feel some kind of pressure to at least go to church on Christmas
00:44:06.660 and Easter. Maybe that's what they're used to or growing up, or maybe they saw the advertisements
00:44:11.620 for it. If they walked into Transformation Church on Easter Sunday, this montage, and it's kind of long,
00:44:20.860 this montage. This montage is what they were met with.
00:44:23.200 Let's go.
00:44:53.200 That I would get you too much money.
00:44:56.200 Everybody back.
00:44:59.200 I think I'm getting too much money.
00:45:02.200 Everybody back.
00:45:04.200 As we were saying, Dragon, this is what you need to do.
00:45:07.200 Step one, fair you a baddie.
00:45:10.200 OK.
00:45:11.200 Step two, she got to have a fatty.
00:45:14.200 Hey.
00:45:16.200 Put some eggs, look back at it.
00:45:19.200 Uh-oh.
00:45:20.200 What is she doing?
00:45:22.200 Friends, I don't have a fatty.
00:45:24.200 Girl, we keep telling you it's OK.
00:45:26.200 Your little booty matter too, friend.
00:45:28.200 Y'all know they don't be discriminating.
00:45:31.200 OK.
00:45:32.200 OK.
00:45:33.200 OK.
00:45:34.200 OK.
00:45:35.200 I don't even know what to say.
00:45:38.200 I'm not against performances.
00:45:39.200 I mean, that's not how it is at my church.
00:45:43.200 I'm not against productions.
00:45:44.200 OK.
00:45:45.200 I'm not against creativity.
00:45:46.200 I'm not against.
00:45:47.200 I'm not against.
00:45:48.200 I'm not against.
00:45:49.200 I'm not against.
00:45:51.200 I'm not against.
00:45:52.200 I'm not against.
00:45:53.200 I'm not against.
00:45:54.200 I'm not against.
00:45:55.200 OK.
00:45:56.200 I don't even know.
00:45:58.200 What to say.
00:45:59.200 I'm not against performances as I mean, that's not how it is at my church.
00:46:06.200 That's not how it is at my church.
00:46:08.200 I'm not against productions.
00:46:10.200 OK.
00:46:11.200 I'm not against creativity.
00:46:12.200 I'm not against.
00:46:13.200 I'm not saying that every church has to be like my church, that every church has to
00:46:17.200 be buttoned up the way that some churches are.
00:46:21.200 I'm not saying that all churches have to have the same forms of worship and the same
00:46:25.200 kind of Easter service.
00:46:27.200 But do I think that the church's primary role is to glorify God and to edify believers
00:46:35.200 with the word of God and with the gospel?
00:46:37.200 Do I think that everything done in a church should be pointing to the Lord?
00:46:42.200 Yes, I do.
00:46:43.200 Is that what you got out of this?
00:46:45.200 No, it is entirely inappropriate.
00:46:49.200 You have women basically twerking on stage, but hey, it's twerking for the kingdom.
00:46:54.200 We're twerking for the Lord out here.
00:46:56.200 Woo hoo.
00:46:57.200 Apparently that is supposed to that's supposed to bring people to God.
00:47:03.200 That is supposed to share the gospel of people.
00:47:06.200 Now, Mike Todd got up on stage and he talked about why they made the choices that they did
00:47:11.200 with these kinds of performances.
00:47:14.200 In 2015, I became the pastor and I didn't know what a pastor did.
00:47:19.200 And so I was meeting with a group of people and they was like, what should we do for Easter?
00:47:23.200 I've never preached the Easter message.
00:47:25.200 So I'm not going to start this year.
00:47:28.200 We need to come up with an Easter play.
00:47:30.200 And they was like, all right, let's do it.
00:47:32.200 I said, but it can't be no whack, raggedy.
00:47:35.200 I just he got up.
00:47:38.200 So I said, we don't go to the edge on this.
00:47:40.200 And they said, pastor, how far on the edge are we going to go?
00:47:43.200 I said, we're going to do everything short of sin.
00:47:46.200 So I never preached an Easter message, so I'm not going to start this year.
00:47:50.200 We need to come up with an Easter play.
00:47:54.200 I guess you could call it that.
00:47:56.200 I don't even know if you could call it that.
00:47:58.200 Like, OK, if you don't know what to do, if you don't know what to do as a pastor, just read the Bible.
00:48:04.200 Just read.
00:48:05.200 Just read from the book of Mark.
00:48:09.200 Just read about Jesus's death, burial and resurrection.
00:48:12.200 Just do that.
00:48:13.200 That's actually the best sermon that you could ever preach, because you know that every single word you say is inerrant and infallible.
00:48:20.200 That'll be the only sermon that you've ever preached that is completely and totally infallible and inerrant.
00:48:26.200 And without without any kind of self-serving piece to it.
00:48:34.200 And I'm not criticizing pastors.
00:48:36.200 It's just true because we're all human.
00:48:38.200 And so we are prone to error.
00:48:40.200 But God's word is not.
00:48:42.200 And so if we just read from God's word, if you don't know what else to say, if you don't know what else to add, then that would be a perfectly fine sermon.
00:48:50.200 If that's all Mike Todd did was read from the Bible, that would have been infinity times better than what he offered his congregants, which had nothing to do with God in his glory whatsoever.
00:49:05.200 What a lost opportunity, man.
00:49:07.200 Maybe a great opportunity for you, maybe a way for you to raise your celebrity status.
00:49:14.200 But what a waste.
00:49:15.200 And like Mike Todd, I don't believe that he is some like mean person.
00:49:21.200 Maybe he believes that he is doing the right thing.
00:49:24.200 I don't know.
00:49:25.200 Maybe he's sincere in some way.
00:49:26.200 I think he has a lot of talent, but man, God could use that talent in a way that could transform the city that his church is in, that could transform the congregants there.
00:49:37.200 If he would just speak the truth in love without fear, unapologetically, unabashedly, consistently every week.
00:49:45.200 Wow.
00:49:46.200 Wow.
00:49:47.200 Talk about transformation, right?
00:49:49.200 Instead, we got this.
00:49:50.200 What an embarrassment.
00:49:52.200 This is not what the church is for.
00:49:54.200 I just want to give an encouragement for all pastors who preached God's word this weekend.
00:50:13.200 Maybe you felt that it wasn't the best sermon ever.
00:50:16.200 Maybe you felt like you stumbled over your words.
00:50:18.200 Maybe you felt like, oh, you wish you would have said something different or you had a thought that you wish you would have added to your sermon.
00:50:25.200 Or maybe you feel like not enough people were there and you're wondering why you're even doing what you're doing.
00:50:30.200 Look, if you exposited the word of God this weekend, if you preached God's word, if you preached Jesus's death, burial and resurrection, then you did your job.
00:50:42.200 You stewarded the role, the responsibility that God gave you.
00:50:46.200 And the word of God does not return void.
00:50:51.200 And God is not measuring your obedience by the perfection of your performance behind the pulpit.
00:51:01.200 Now, I think communication skills are really important for pastors.
00:51:06.200 I think being able to properly and persuasively exposit God's word is really important for pastors.
00:51:14.200 I think that there are a lot of pastors who don't think that learning how to communicate clearly, effectively is important.
00:51:20.200 And that's really a shame.
00:51:21.200 And that's really a shame.
00:51:22.200 But no matter how great of a communicator you think you are, no matter how flashy the performances or the productions were at your church, no matter how many people were in the seats or the pews at your church, like if you faithfully and humbly preach the word of God this weekend, then you did your job and praise God for that.
00:51:41.200 If you had 15 people in front of you, hearing you preach the gospel about Jesus's resurrection, I guarantee you that had far more impact than what Mike Todd's church did in front of thousands of people.
00:51:55.200 And thank God for that.
00:51:58.200 I mean, that should really alleviate all of us of a lot of pressure to perform and to gain followers and to grow our platform.
00:52:05.360 As long as we are stewarding whatever opportunities, whatever space that we have by trying to submit to God's authority, Genesis 1-1, then that's really what matters.
00:52:17.820 God is going to use that.
00:52:19.580 God's going to use that.
00:52:21.540 All right.
00:52:22.280 That's all I got for us today.
00:52:23.660 I probably had a lot more that I could have added to that if I had had the opportunity to prepare.
00:52:29.440 But those are my those are my quick thoughts.
00:52:31.080 Maybe we'll talk more about it later this week.
00:52:33.480 All right.
00:52:34.360 We will maybe we'll talk about some of the things that I wanted to talk about today, tomorrow.
00:52:38.540 Like I want to talk about that Tennessee three thing and how they're misusing scripture to advocate for their left wing policy.
00:52:44.680 So hopefully we'll be able to get to that sometime this week.
00:52:46.920 All right.
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