Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 788 ｜ The 'Sextortion' Scheme that Killed His Son ｜ Guest： Brian Montgomery

00:00:00.000 Walker Montgomery was a 17-year-old boy that had everything going for him until he died

00:00:07.000 by suicide on December 1st, 2022, after falling victim to a sextortion scheme on Instagram.

00:00:16.300 And now his dad, Brian Montgomery, is trying to prevent this tragedy from happening to

00:00:22.760 other teens.

00:00:23.900 And so Brian is here today to share his tragic but extremely important story and to help

00:00:32.240 parents understand the signs to look for and how they can possibly prevent this from happening

00:00:38.280 to their own families.

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00:00:53.900 Brian, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:01:01.640 I think I ran across your story on FoxNews.com and I thought, wow, my audience, which is

00:01:09.260 mostly made up of moms, and there are some dads out there too, they need to know that

00:01:15.740 this is going on.

00:01:17.140 So let's start from the beginning.

00:01:19.280 Tell me about your son, Walker, and everything that has happened.

00:01:28.600 Yeah.

00:01:29.220 So, I mean, you know, we always talk about this thing is, I mean, it's almost like watching

00:01:34.280 a movie, you know, it's like something you'd see on TV that you can't, you'd never think

00:01:39.740 it would happen to you just to kind of a normal family, really.

00:01:41.980 I mean, we, our family has been blessed beyond measure, just to be honest, and really lived

00:01:49.680 what I would think of as a fairytale life.

00:01:51.740 I mean, been given every blessing you can imagine.

00:01:55.020 And I mean, our family was very normal.

00:01:58.000 Walker was very normal, and we knew that.

00:02:00.280 But obviously, when something like this happens, you start questioning everything.

00:02:03.340 And, but we have, my wife and I have four kids, two boys and two girls.

00:02:10.320 Carolina's our oldest, she's 18.

00:02:11.820 Walker was 16.

00:02:13.240 Bennett, his younger brother's 13.

00:02:15.160 And then we have a younger daughter named Sarah.

00:02:18.080 She's 11.

00:02:19.340 So, I mean, our story is we, you know, raised our kids in church.

00:02:24.520 We've raised our kids to respect adults, to do everything you think that a kid should be

00:02:30.960 raised to do, you know, especially in a world today where that's a little more difficult

00:02:34.340 than it used to be, it seems, especially in my generation.

00:02:37.580 Yeah.

00:02:38.540 But, you know, to speak to Walker, I mean, Walker loved football.

00:02:41.900 We love the outdoors.

00:02:43.080 Some of the pictures you've probably seen of him, some of those that you referenced when

00:02:47.320 we were on that interview with Fox.

00:02:48.860 We farm, we own land, we work, you know, we hunt.

00:02:54.160 We fish.

00:02:55.400 Walker had a passion for football.

00:02:58.180 Really, that was a passion to develop, you know, about his seventh grade year started

00:03:01.660 really to evolve into something he was really serious about.

00:03:04.400 And so, we obviously supported him in that, and he was very dedicated to that.

00:03:10.380 I mean, I guess if you could describe Walker in the context of who he was, he had a tremendous

00:03:15.320 work ethic, and he was always supportive of his friends and people in school.

00:03:19.300 And something we always loved about Walker is, you know, he was the kid that the parents,

00:03:23.660 the teachers were always bragging on and proud to have him in their class.

00:03:27.620 And he was just, he wasn't perfect, obviously.

00:03:30.360 We wouldn't be here if he was, but just nothing that would indicate anything like this was

00:03:36.300 even remotely possible.

00:03:38.900 Right.

00:03:39.300 And so, you know, so, which makes this so much harder, just the imagination of a kid that

00:03:45.580 has all that going for him, you know, and I think when we, I've been doing a lot of speaking

00:03:49.880 at schools and, and churches, and, and I know the kids hear me say that and they're like,

00:03:54.740 how can, how is this possible that a kid that like you're describing, there's got to be

00:03:57.880 something else.

00:03:58.520 And, um, you know, just the reality is it's not, I mean, there's exactly who we thought

00:04:04.340 he was.

00:04:04.920 And, and of course we had a lot of questions, uh, I'll get into what happened in just a

00:04:08.740 minute, but, you know, we had a lot of questions about, you know, how this, what, what was going

00:04:13.600 on because obviously we didn't know, um, what happened for a while after, um, Walker's death.

00:04:18.900 And I mean, this just happened December the first of this past fall.

00:04:22.720 So, um, you know, all those questions and trying to understand what could have possibly

00:04:30.060 driven him to think this was the right answer.

00:04:32.960 Um, yes.

00:04:33.960 I mean, when, when parents, uh, when, when parents hear stories like this, when we come

00:04:39.320 across these kinds of tragic stories, I think the first natural reaction that people have

00:04:46.220 is what you already mentioned.

00:04:48.300 Well, there must've been something else because I think what we're trying to do is that could

00:04:53.820 never happen to me.

00:04:55.500 That could never happen to my kid.

00:04:57.780 I'm too involved.

00:04:59.360 My kid is too normal.

00:05:00.600 He's too social.

00:05:01.400 He has so much going for him.

00:05:03.000 He doesn't fit the typical, what we think or might think the typical profile of someone

00:05:09.160 who would be caught in this kind of circumstance.

00:05:13.080 And so I think that is kind of just the natural response that a lot of parents have because

00:05:18.940 they don't want to grapple with the potential reality of the tragedy like this, um, hitting

00:05:23.800 their family.

00:05:24.480 But what you're describing is someone, a guy who had everything going for him.

00:05:30.100 And yet, you know, unbeknownst to you and his mom, there was something else going on behind

00:05:38.580 the scenes.

00:05:39.260 Right.

00:05:39.620 And, and, you know, the thing that we were concerned about is there was something that

00:05:45.060 had been brewing under the, under the surface that we just didn't know about for some time.

00:05:48.880 And so, um, once we, once we, um, were able to FBI and local law enforcement ran all the

00:05:56.160 analysis on his telephone, his kids think this stuff is, they, they can delete it and it

00:06:00.460 disappears or whatever.

00:06:01.660 And it doesn't, I mean, everything is there and everything is retrievable.

00:06:04.300 Well, and they did, they went through his phone and wouldn't a comfort to us.

00:06:07.740 I mean, it's, it's a comfort, but it's also a real fear that parents should have is that

00:06:12.720 once we learned what was in Walker's, cause that's the best way to kind of get the perception

00:06:17.860 of if you want to get as close to inside of somebody's mind today, it's with their telephone.

00:06:22.280 And, you know, what we found was that Walker was just exactly what we thought he was.

00:06:27.500 He was a 16 year old boy that liked to talk about football, liked to talk about hunting,

00:06:33.680 liked to visit with his friends.

00:06:35.300 There was nothing, no depression, no mental issues.

00:06:38.640 We already knew that, but I mean, we just spent too much time with him.

00:06:41.380 We would have recognized that as much time as we were together.

00:06:44.100 And our family is as tight needed as you can imagine.

00:06:46.880 Every weekend we're together during the week, we're playing sports and athletics or we're hunting.

00:06:50.600 And it's just always us together.

00:06:52.780 So it was no, there was no space for that to be some reality, even though at the same time,

00:06:58.240 when this kind of catastrophe happens, you're thinking, how is this possible?

00:07:01.600 Something is here that we don't understand.

00:07:03.440 So I think, you know, Walker's case is one that, you know, he, he was, he was so scared.

00:07:12.440 And I think we have a hard time, I do have a hard time wrestling that.

00:07:16.720 And so I try to go to, um, stories in the Bible to kind of give me a point of reference,

00:07:21.380 you know, how could something scare you so bad?

00:07:23.460 And I think about, you know, stories in the Bible where you see these heroes in the faith

00:07:28.880 that were just, I mean, David, obviously going against a giant and you see him running for

00:07:33.540 his life shortly thereafter.

00:07:35.340 How can that be the same person?

00:07:37.060 Well, it's just, we're all made in certain ways and there's certain things that bring a

00:07:41.100 fear about that.

00:07:41.720 We can't, we can't describe this what happened to Walker.

00:07:44.760 So, um, take us, take us to, take us to the moment.

00:07:49.440 What I imagine was the hardest moment of your life, I'm assuming, um, which was finding out

00:07:58.520 that Walker had died by suicide.

00:08:01.860 So take us to that moment.

00:08:03.640 And then we can back up from there as you and his mom discovered kind of what was going

00:08:10.580 on online through social media and behind the scenes.

00:08:14.920 So take us, take us there.

00:08:18.080 Yeah.

00:08:18.620 So, I mean, that the night before, um, I mean, it was a perfectly normal day.

00:08:24.220 Um, they come home from school.

00:08:26.160 Um, Bennett Walker's younger brother and I went hunting, uh, Walker got home from school

00:08:31.000 whenever we have a shed right by the pole barn, right by our house.

00:08:33.820 And he goes over there and works out, comes in, I get in from hunting, Bennett gets in

00:08:38.160 from hunting and we just, we're hanging out.

00:08:39.720 We have supper.

00:08:40.760 Uh, we always try to have supper together if possible.

00:08:43.500 Um, Courtney, my wife put them to bed, uh, prayed with them.

00:08:48.460 Everything was just as normal as you could imagine.

00:08:52.040 Um, we, uh, wake up the next morning, my wife and I, we have, you know, have some coffee

00:08:58.040 and, and I don't know, it was about six o'clock and we met each other in the living room.

00:09:01.860 And, um, she said, well, I'm going to go up and check on the boys and, uh, get them ready

00:09:06.840 for school.

00:09:07.340 And Walker just started driving.

00:09:09.580 So he was, uh, he, his birthday was November the 1st.

00:09:12.640 And so he had just turned 16 and, um, he was, you know, we, he had been, he had started

00:09:19.160 carrying his brother and sister, his older sister was off at school, but, uh, Bennett and

00:09:23.180 Sarah was carrying them to school, started that, you know, like I said, within two or three

00:09:26.560 weeks.

00:09:27.380 And, uh, so she went up, um, goes up the stairs and goes and wakes up Bennett.

00:09:32.040 And, um, she, um, goes into Walker's room and sees him kind of laying across his bed.

00:09:38.240 And it's like, well, you know, the first, first glance, she thinks, you know, he's kind

00:09:43.040 of playing a joke on her because she would do that every once in a while, you know?

00:09:45.680 Um, and then quickly realizes that it was not a joke.

00:09:50.220 And, um, um, I guess I could just describe that as complete chaos and, um, yeah, she screams 1.00

00:09:57.640 for me, obviously, and I race up the stairs and I just very hard to describe that, that

00:10:03.100 moment.

00:10:03.380 It was something that no one wants to hear and someone, no one wants to see or imagine.

00:10:08.060 Um, as a parent, you can't imagine it.

00:10:10.620 You can't describe it.

00:10:11.860 You can't, um, there's no, there's no measure of hurt that I can describe it as, um, short

00:10:21.400 of really short of going to hell. 0.58

00:10:24.140 Be honest with you.

00:10:24.840 That's what I think of.

00:10:26.540 The worst thing that a parent can go through.

00:10:30.780 It's one thing for your child to die tragically by natural causes.

00:10:36.000 I mean, that's already one of the worst things that a parent can go through.

00:10:39.980 But for your child to die like this before they've even really come into bloom.

00:10:45.640 I mean, I, I imagine it felt like an out of body experience at the time and that there

00:10:51.700 was probably in, you know, in the beginning, a lot of denial that this is even real.

00:10:57.180 It would almost feel like, oh my gosh, please God, just like, wake me up from this nightmare.

00:11:01.860 I just can't even comprehend.

00:11:05.040 Yeah, that's a, that's, that's exactly what was going on for the first couple of hours.

00:11:08.980 You know, it was a real sense of, this is not real.

00:11:12.900 This is a nightmare and we're going to wake up here any minute.

00:11:15.340 And even into the first day or two, you know, and even today, I mean, to be honest with you,

00:11:19.720 I mean, it's, there's days today where you're, especially when you wake up, it's, um, you

00:11:25.620 wake up to a reality that, okay, is this, was this, is this really happening?

00:11:29.920 And, um, you know, you have to, and unfortunately the, the real confirmation is the memories of

00:11:36.820 that morning.

00:11:37.980 And, um, you know, my wife and I both struggle with that and, uh, Walker's little brother

00:11:42.880 saw him because he is, he's, they share the upstairs and, um, he, you know, he had a real

00:11:48.220 tough time and still have a real tough time.

00:11:49.680 And, um, you know, I think one of the, one of the most sobering moments still for that

00:11:55.400 morning is, and I tell this to kids I see into, you know, the churches and stuff I go

00:12:00.340 visit is, you know, that morning I can remember it was a couple hours after and we're still

00:12:04.400 just, you know, tailspin and don't know what to think or do or anything.

00:12:08.120 And Bennett is sitting on the couch and, um, we're all crying and upset and don't know

00:12:13.980 what to think.

00:12:14.800 And Bennett says, you know, I mean, in tears, he says, you know, this was just supposed to

00:12:18.320 be another normal day.

00:12:19.240 And he said that multiple times, but this was just supposed to be another normal day.

00:12:23.140 And, and, you know, I think as a society and as a people we think of every day, we think

00:12:28.660 it's going to wake up to be just a normal day.

00:12:30.660 Yeah.

00:12:31.200 But, um, obviously for us, you know, that, that idea of normal will never be again.

00:12:37.700 I mean, it's, I've got faith that God's going to find a way to bring us to a new place that

00:12:43.840 he wants us to live in that is more useful to him.

00:12:48.600 But, um, the reality of what we were able to live in up to that point, that normal doesn't

00:12:56.760 get to come.

00:12:57.240 We don't get that back.

00:13:07.700 Tell us then about the process of figuring out everything that led up to this.

00:13:18.920 Obviously you're, you know him and you truly do.

00:13:21.560 It's not like he was a different person behind the scenes, but there was something going on

00:13:28.160 online that you and your wife just didn't know about.

00:13:31.460 So tell us about that discovery process and what, what it was that ultimately led to this.

00:13:40.000 Yeah.

00:13:40.540 So obviously there was, I mean, we went, as soon as we called, called 911 and police showed

00:13:46.920 up and we, I mean, they went through this room, went through everything, but I mean, the investigators

00:13:51.580 even said themselves, you know, for somebody that's, we're investigating for this type of

00:13:55.540 incident, this is one of the cleanest, you know, crime scene for lack of better terminology

00:14:02.060 that they've ever seen.

00:14:03.580 You know, there's nothing out of place.

00:14:04.880 There's no, no, no red flags of anything.

00:14:08.380 And, um, well, so, you know, we're not really surprised by that.

00:14:11.660 We expect that.

00:14:12.520 I mean, it still didn't give us any answers.

00:14:14.280 So, um, they, we, obviously we, I mean, we had walkers, uh, that's a big problem pretty

00:14:19.480 routinely is that people don't, the parents don't have the kids password to get into their

00:14:24.940 phone.

00:14:25.240 We did have walkers.

00:14:26.320 It was, uh, pretty easy to, you know, we, we kept that tight.

00:14:30.040 So we had his password.

00:14:31.300 So we gave him his password to get into his telephone.

00:14:33.460 They said they were going to download it and start, um, that was our local law enforcement

00:14:37.320 and start the process.

00:14:38.700 And, and they had software and they pulled, um, pulled that.

00:14:42.260 And so, I mean, but it's, none of that happens fast.

00:14:44.840 I mean, so we really didn't have any awareness of what happened, um, until after the first of

00:14:51.520 the year, like I said, that was decent with the first.

00:14:53.540 And, um, after the first year, our local law enforcement said they had found a conversation

00:14:58.260 between Walker and someone on, uh, Instagram and thought that that could very easily have

00:15:02.780 been the cause.

00:15:03.720 And we still didn't have any details.

00:15:05.740 Um, our, we started with the sheriff's department because we're in the county that our local,

00:15:09.780 um, police department, the start with police department.

00:15:13.200 Um, they got involved in the case because there were some other instances of sextortion that

00:15:17.420 occurred in our city that they were aware of.

00:15:20.140 And so they wanted to tie that together and then they brought in, uh, the FBI to start

00:15:24.980 evaluating, you know, is this a part of a, of a larger scheme or is this just isolated

00:15:30.940 or what exactly happened?

00:15:32.160 So it was, it was March.

00:15:34.200 Um, I had to go back to my days, but I think it, well, probably not March.

00:15:37.160 It's probably, uh, early February before we met with the FBI agent that was on the case

00:15:41.880 and she came to our house.

00:15:43.620 I mean, I was very impressed with, um, her professionalism and ability to, to help through

00:15:48.680 this process.

00:15:49.200 And she went through, um, you know, the conversation that Walker had had with this person with us

00:15:55.020 and she told us specifically, you know, this was the cause.

00:15:58.520 I mean, there was not anything else, um, any other evidence that pointed to anything else

00:16:02.760 other than that night.

00:16:03.640 And, and what's interesting, um, you know, and it's interesting, again, it's very scary

00:16:08.100 that, um, you know, that wasn't, I think sometimes it may get portrayed as, you know, a kid is

00:16:14.120 involved in something bigger or doing something under the, you know, uh, you know, that, that

00:16:20.840 their parents didn't know about, but this all happened one night.

00:16:24.500 And this was not something that Walker had been doing for weeks or months or years or

00:16:29.600 anything like that.

00:16:30.040 Oh, this was all in the span.

00:16:31.980 This was all in the span of, of one evening.

00:16:35.480 One evening.

00:16:36.900 Yeah.

00:16:37.440 Oh, wow.

00:16:38.060 Okay.

00:16:38.700 I didn't realize that.

00:16:39.660 So, um, about midnight on December the first Walker, uh, received a message from someone

00:16:47.360 on Instagram pretending to be a young girl.

00:16:50.080 Um, and the message was just, Hey, what's up?

00:16:55.000 You know?

00:16:55.640 And, uh, Walker replied and said, Hey, nothing, just hanging out.

00:16:59.400 And so that conversation kind of goes back and forth.

00:17:02.100 Um, they referenced that they're, that they're friends with somebody else that Walker knows,

00:17:07.040 um, you know, a friend of his, somebody that he's friends with for school and, um, and they

00:17:13.960 do that for credibility.

00:17:15.060 I mean, this is a, this is a scam.

00:17:16.900 I mean, this is the best way I can describe it.

00:17:18.480 It's a scam.

00:17:19.100 Um, but it brings about consequences for the people that are being scammed way greater than

00:17:26.320 the money that they're trying to scam out of people.

00:17:29.120 So, um, anyway, um, they kind of exchange back and forth, just very casual conversation.

00:17:37.680 Just like two high school kids would, where you go to school.

00:17:41.180 Um, it looks like you play football, has football season going, just very typical conversation

00:17:47.320 that finally leads to a conversation of, um, hey, do you want to fool around?

00:17:54.820 And, um, Walker's, Walker says, well, what do you mean?

00:17:57.840 It's like, well, let's open up a video chat in Instagram, which is, which is a, you know,

00:18:04.300 basically a FaceTime portal through the messaging center in Instagram.

00:18:07.420 And Walker agrees.

00:18:09.420 And, um, that leads to a sexual encounter between Walker and what he believes is a 15, 16, 17 year

00:18:17.600 old girl, very attractive girl.

00:18:19.760 Um, and, um, so that, that lasts for a while.

00:18:25.220 And then once, as soon as that's over with, I'm knowing to Walker, um, they were recording

00:18:30.260 him with another device from the other side of that connection, which was originating from

00:18:35.680 Nigeria.

00:18:36.160 We later found, um, and in that conversation, you know, you, I always kind of stopped there

00:18:43.620 because I want people to think about you, me, I mean, all of us as adults, especially,

00:18:51.400 and even, you know, teenagers that may be listening to this, I mean, just imagine yourself in the

00:18:55.540 most compromising, most embarrassing scenario where you and us, all of us have found ourselves

00:19:03.360 in.

00:19:03.820 And what if that, I mean, for us, it's, it's been kept a secret, right?

00:19:06.920 It's been kept to where the general public and the people we love and care about can't

00:19:10.620 see it.

00:19:11.700 But in that moment, Walker realized that that moment that you and I could imagine was real

00:19:18.520 and it was in the hands of somebody that wanted to cause him harm.

00:19:24.540 And I can't imagine that fear.

00:19:26.880 I mean, we were talking about fear a while ago and that's really, you know, the driving

00:19:30.660 force of this is there was a fear there.

00:19:32.940 And that fear of Walker was, you know, what are people going to say?

00:19:36.100 What are people going to do?

00:19:37.400 And it wasn't good enough for Walker's imagination to wonder what people are going to do.

00:19:41.180 That conversation starts now is very adversarial.

00:19:44.960 I mean, they say, Hey, we've got this video of you.

00:19:49.100 They sent it to him.

00:19:50.100 We've got this video of you.

00:19:51.500 And, and, um, if you don't give us a thousand dollars, we're going to send it to everybody

00:19:55.620 that, you know, um, I can only imagine Walker's fear at that point.

00:20:01.660 Um, but that goes back and forth.

00:20:03.100 Walker, um, says, I don't have any money.

00:20:05.620 Please leave me alone. 0.99

00:20:06.860 Um, you know, this is, this is dumb. 0.94

00:20:09.020 I'm not doing this. 0.96

00:20:09.920 Um, well, that goes, I mean, they continue to build this mountain of anxiety in front

00:20:17.260 of Walker and we're going to destroy your life. 0.99

00:20:20.120 We're going, I mean, they're telling him, you know, what, how people are going to react

00:20:25.100 if Walker didn't already anticipate that they're telling him, Hey, everybody that you love is

00:20:28.880 going to hate you. 0.74

00:20:30.320 Nobody's going to forgive you.

00:20:31.460 I mean, they're, they're just piled on, you know, and finally they get to where Walker's

00:20:36.020 saying, I don't have any money.

00:20:37.380 I live in the country, I don't have anywhere to go get money.

00:20:40.080 I'm 15 years old, even though he was 16, I'm 15 years old.

00:20:43.460 They said, well, steal the money from your mom and daddy. 1.00

00:20:45.180 Well, cause I can't do that.

00:20:47.120 Um, they said, well, if you don't get us the money, we're sending the videos.

00:20:51.420 And eventually they start sending him screenshots of their messaging side of Instagram, where

00:20:58.820 they're showing him that they're sending the videos to people in his list.

00:21:03.560 Walker didn't know it, but they weren't sending the videos.

00:21:05.800 They were just showing him that they were sending the videos, trying to scare him to

00:21:09.740 pay the money.

00:21:10.180 He's thinking this is really happening.

00:21:11.760 Yeah.

00:21:12.580 Yeah.

00:21:13.040 They're sending the videos.

00:21:14.140 And now this, that I fear, I mean, it, it wasn't like a lot of these schemes, they try

00:21:18.720 to, they try to, you know, play it out as long as they can to try to get the money.

00:21:22.980 That's not what was going on here.

00:21:24.300 These people were really more of a short term.

00:21:27.080 I know I'm going to get the money or I'm going to, you know, really put the pressure as

00:21:30.740 hard as we can to get the money as fast as we can.

00:21:32.720 And so Walker is, is trying to fight that off.

00:21:36.980 Well, he's seeing now that these videos are being sent.

00:21:40.160 And I know that that fear of what if this gets out is now transitioned to, you know,

00:21:46.940 this is going to get out and it's already out.

00:21:51.060 And how am I going to face tomorrow with everything that I love, everybody that I love and the

00:21:56.820 importance of how people view me and the respect that I have for people and especially adults

00:22:03.000 and, and, and friends.

00:22:04.760 I can only imagine where his mind went at that point.

00:22:06.880 And so finally, finally, they get to, uh, there, it looks like they're going down that list

00:22:13.020 alphabetically is what it looks like.

00:22:15.700 The list of his, of his followers or friends.

00:22:18.160 And they've, I mean, they've obviously done some kind of research, but it looks because

00:22:21.140 they get to my wife's name is Courtney and, um, they get to her name and they put that message

00:22:26.880 in, uh, in there that he's, that it's been sent to his mom.

00:22:30.360 Um, and, um, you know, Walker replies, I'm just, I'm just going to kill myself.

00:22:35.480 And, um, I mean, that's, that's what he says to him. 0.93

00:22:38.260 He says, I'm, I'm going to, I'm going to kill myself then.

00:22:41.140 And, um, you know, their response wasn't, Hey, don't do that.

00:22:45.640 We'll, we'll get the money tomorrow.

00:22:47.140 Hey, we'll stop.

00:22:47.960 We really didn't send the video.

00:22:50.080 We will though, if you don't get us the money, wasn't anything like that.

00:22:52.700 It was just, they had realized by this point, they weren't getting paid at least that night.

00:22:58.700 You know, they, they realized they weren't getting paid at night.

00:23:01.340 So it's a, now it's a matter of let's inflict as much damage as we can.

00:23:04.920 So their response was go ahead because, uh, you're already dead anyway.

00:23:08.720 And I tell that to, for people to understand how little regard to human lives these people 0.95

00:23:16.460 have, they're evil. 0.93

00:23:18.980 They're, they're pure evil. 0.96

00:23:20.100 They don't care.

00:23:20.800 It's, it's all about, and you could say it's all about the money, but at this point they

00:23:25.060 realize they're not getting the money.

00:23:26.960 Um, so they, they couldn't.

00:23:28.700 They could have let, they could have chosen to let up and really, and realize, okay, this

00:23:32.620 is, we've pushed it as hard as we can push it.

00:23:35.440 Let's back up because we're not gonna get the money, but that's not what they did.

00:23:39.640 They, they continued to apply pressure and had this just complete lack of regard.

00:23:45.080 Yeah.

00:23:45.300 Um, I mean, it really is steal. 0.94

00:23:47.700 It really is steal, kill, destroy.

00:23:52.300 I mean, it is the worst and most blatant form of the thief, Satan taking a victim and doing 0.88

00:24:01.640 what he does all in one night, stealing, killing, destroying.

00:24:06.080 Yeah.

00:24:08.300 Well, and he, you know, I, uh, it's very difficult to separate the react, their spiritual component

00:24:15.020 of this.

00:24:15.700 I shouldn't say it's very difficult.

00:24:16.960 It just has to be a constant reminder, the spiritual component of what Satan thought he

00:24:21.680 was doing that night.

00:24:23.520 And then the people that were involved, because I mean, it's very similar.

00:24:27.340 Satan is, is in one context, very similar to how God operates.

00:24:32.100 Satan operates through people and God does too.

00:24:34.440 So, you know, we're sitting here seeing this, you know, these people that are occupied by

00:24:39.020 Satan, by, you know, this spiritual fight that we're in.

00:24:43.000 And, and, and that's, we shouldn't be surprised by their lack of empathy because they really

00:24:49.700 have no capacity to love.

00:24:52.020 They have no capacity to forgive.

00:24:53.720 They have no capacity to have regard to human life.

00:24:57.720 Um, but Walker, um, at that point, uh, at some point, um, we're not exactly sure that

00:25:04.660 we know that conversation went on from about midnight to about two o'clock in the morning.

00:25:08.660 Um, he, um, he comes downstairs, uh, goes into my office and goes into my safe and, uh, takes

00:25:19.980 a handgun, goes back up to his room.

00:25:21.520 And at some point, um, he takes his own life.

00:25:24.660 And so, um, I, I can't, I can't emphasize enough the reality of this all happened before

00:25:37.620 midnight of December the 1st, Walker was 100% just like your 16 year old kid.

00:25:48.140 He's just a normal 16 year old.

00:25:51.620 And we were living a life that was our best life that we could have never in a million years

00:25:58.660 imagined this happening.

00:25:59.760 Um, but we, I allowed, um, I allowed a risk to exist in my family and that was technology

00:26:09.580 that, you know, these phones and, and everything's not, I mean, I'm not that guy that says we

00:26:15.020 just need to put them, throw them away.

00:26:17.020 That's, I mean, God's perception of this world included the technology we have today.

00:26:21.580 When he created the world in the very beginning, all the same capabilities were here in day one

00:26:26.720 as they are today, except we know how to use them now.

00:26:29.420 So it's not a surprise to God.

00:26:30.980 This is not some, he woke up today and said, what I'm going to do with the internet.

00:26:35.000 Um, but as parents, I did not understand the risk that came along with the technology.

00:26:44.120 I was lying, my son to have in his bedroom that night.

00:26:47.280 Bottom line.

00:26:47.960 So I've, I've seen you say, um, give a recommendation to other parents.

00:27:06.740 Don't allow your children to be alone with a phone in their bedroom, especially at night.

00:27:15.140 So not that I'm trying to get you to go back and, you know, work out all of your regrets

00:27:21.420 and what ifs, but, you know, just for the sake of warning other parents, like what, what

00:27:28.460 would you have done differently?

00:27:29.700 Like what kind of regulations or restrictions or boundaries do you think parents should have

00:27:35.580 in place to at least try as much as they can to prevent something like this from happening?

00:27:39.920 Yeah.

00:27:41.620 So the reality today, you know, if I could, if I could go back, I mean, you know, that

00:27:47.400 comes back to us to a spiritual question too, but I mean, just the reality of very practical

00:27:53.240 safeguards.

00:27:54.040 There's not anything good that happens from 10 o'clock at night till six o'clock the next

00:27:58.200 morning.

00:27:59.240 Um, there's, there's not a re there's not a reason if, if, if our kids can't communicate

00:28:04.620 with their friends during the day from normal business hours, so to speak, um, there's nothing

00:28:10.060 that's going to happen between 10 and six.

00:28:12.000 That is that necessary that they need their phone with them in their bedrooms and especially

00:28:17.220 for young men.

00:28:18.580 So we're talking about 13, probably even a little younger than that now, but at least 12,

00:28:25.620 13, um, through 18, uh, the access to information and to, I mean, specifically pornography, um,

00:28:34.560 on a cell phone as a 16 year old, I can remember if I'd had full access to unlimited content that

00:28:40.820 looked that way and it was that vivid and was that real and what's real.

00:28:44.680 Um, I know what I would have been doing and most other men, if they were being honest, would

00:28:48.580 admit to the same thing.

00:28:50.240 Um, and so the difference is that the reason that most of us don't as men don't, don't

00:28:58.280 provide more conversations with our sons about that is because we can look back and say, well,

00:29:03.800 it really didn't hurt us that bad.

00:29:05.040 I mean, we would, we would look at magazines and other things and, and it wasn't, it led

00:29:09.500 to a warped perception of, uh, how we viewed a relationship with our wife and a warped perception

00:29:15.000 of how we viewed women, which is all bad. 0.61

00:29:16.900 But, um, it didn't lead to what we're talking about here.

00:29:20.900 And so what we're talking about here is, is a world where the worst predators on this planet

00:29:27.300 can have access to our kids.

00:29:29.840 That wasn't, that wasn't a dirty magazine.

00:29:33.080 Okay.

00:29:33.780 So I didn't understand that as well as I should have.

00:29:37.260 And so back to your original question, I mean, there is nothing in this world that would

00:29:42.920 be unreasonable about a mother and father having oversight over technology, over their

00:29:48.900 kids, especially as long as they're in their home and they're paying the bill.

00:29:52.720 So if I could go back, I would say between 10 and the next morning, the phone comes in

00:29:59.080 my room and I'm going to observe some of the things you're looking at.

00:30:02.200 Now, I will tell you that in this world of technology today, that's a difficult task.

00:30:06.340 Even if a parent wants to do it, we're learning that, uh, it's very intentional that tech companies

00:30:11.660 and these device manufacturers don't want parents to be involved in their kids' content.

00:30:17.640 Uh, they want to keep us from seeing what they're looking at because they want straight

00:30:21.100 direct access to our kids so they can persuade them in their own persuasions.

00:30:25.280 And some of that's due to just pure, I want to push a narrative.

00:30:30.940 Some of it is, um, strictly around economic access.

00:30:35.340 And so, um, back to that question, what would I do?

00:30:39.320 I mean, parent parental oversight is a necessity in this world we're living in today.

00:30:43.580 There's too many things that can reach our kids and too many messages that you don't

00:30:46.560 want your kids to hear about through that device.

00:30:49.580 Um, that would be something that I would have done more aggressively if I didn't own the

00:30:55.360 dangers.

00:30:56.460 Um, yeah.

00:30:57.740 And, you know, so, so now we're working hard to try to, you know, find ways to support legislation

00:31:04.220 to require tech companies to, I mean, you know, I say is, was it unreasonable?

00:31:09.080 Would it have been unreasonable for Instagram to not allow an IP address originating from Nigeria

00:31:16.040 that anybody could have looked at, any adult could have looked at with any kind of, you

00:31:19.840 know, tech background and seeing that it was a fraudulent account, um, from accessing my

00:31:25.620 son's, my son directly message.

00:31:28.560 You might be my son's direct message without passing that through me.

00:31:31.380 That's not unreasonable at all.

00:31:33.580 Um, but right now that's, that's a fight.

00:31:37.280 So, um, yeah, we're, we're working hard to try to figure out ways to, to fix that.

00:31:41.760 And so the FBI looks into this, looked into this story, obviously revealed to you, this

00:31:48.240 is exactly what happened.

00:31:50.660 Is there not, I mean, is there any criminal liability here?

00:31:54.280 The people who scammed your son, are they going to face any charges, any consequences for

00:32:00.780 pushing him to commit suicide?

00:32:05.180 Um, you know, the FBI is very confident that if they find somebody, they're going to charge

00:32:11.180 them, um, the question remains whether or not we ever find them.

00:32:17.420 I mean, this, that's another aspect of the internet is, it's been created in such a way

00:32:22.360 that you can perpetrate crimes and there's almost, it's very difficult to track them.

00:32:28.300 So today, um, we're still optimistic.

00:32:31.260 Let me put it that way, uh, without going into a ton of detail of what the FBI is doing and

00:32:36.520 not doing.

00:32:37.120 A lot of it, I don't know.

00:32:38.080 I just know that they're working and they're working with the Nigerian government to try

00:32:42.140 to bring this, um, bring these people to justice.

00:32:45.240 And the reality is Walker's not the only one.

00:32:47.360 I mean, you couldn't believe now that, um, I've been, you know, in these conversations.

00:32:53.020 I mean, this week I've had three calls from parents, three calls this week that have messaged

00:32:58.280 me through Facebook or a connection through a podcast I've done and sent them to me of

00:33:04.040 parents who's in majority of it is, is, is young men.

00:33:07.840 Um, you know, three different occasions this week of young men that have been extorted and

00:33:14.940 they're trying to figure out what to do.

00:33:16.320 Um, yeah, this is not, this is not an easy spot.

00:33:20.140 It's not easy to prevent.

00:33:22.140 Yeah.

00:33:23.180 Yep.

00:33:23.520 There was a similar story that CNN reported last year from May, 2022.

00:33:29.760 There was a boy, 17 years old, just a very similar story here.

00:33:34.960 Straight eight, straight eight student, boy scout.

00:33:37.820 One of those guys, again, seemed to come from a great family, had it all together, um, from

00:33:43.780 San Jose and same kind of thing, a girl seemingly on Instagram, you know, asked to exchange photos.

00:33:52.900 They did, and then asked for $5,000 and he actually ended up being able to transfer the

00:33:59.780 money to her. 0.67

00:34:00.720 And that's the thing.

00:34:01.300 It's not, it's not enough.

00:34:03.220 He transferred the money and then he actually emptied his college savings, transferred all

00:34:08.340 of them to this girl.

00:34:09.360 And still, you know, they didn't let up because it seems like going back to something that you

00:34:14.560 said that it's not really about the money.

00:34:16.400 Like it's about the destruction.

00:34:17.940 It's about the life ruining.

00:34:20.420 And this young boy, again, he also died by suicide.

00:34:25.680 So as you're saying, this is common, it's destructive.

00:34:29.760 The point is destruct, uh, destruction.

00:34:32.140 The point is to ruin lives.

00:34:34.480 And do you think that parents, if, even if they have restrictions on their children, and

00:34:39.700 even if they have as much oversight as possible, do you think that they should be having these

00:34:43.600 kind of proactive conversations with their daughters and sons to say, look, here's what

00:34:50.080 a scammer looks like.

00:34:51.160 Don't ever send these kinds of photos or like, what do you think that kind of, uh, proactive

00:34:56.660 interaction between parents and teens should look like when it comes to this?

00:35:00.120 Yeah, absolutely.

00:35:02.460 So what I've, what I've seen and what we're finding is, I'll give you another example.

00:35:06.740 So I spoke to a dad, it's been a month ago or so now.

00:35:09.460 Um, he had, right after I did that Fox news interview, um, he brought his son in and said,

00:35:15.000 Hey, look, this is what's going on.

00:35:16.380 This is what you need to be watching forward.

00:35:17.880 Be careful of this.

00:35:19.560 And, um, this is what's happening.

00:35:21.440 This was a town not far from where we live.

00:35:23.840 So, I mean, it was somebody, you know, we were obviously local to him, local enough that

00:35:27.720 he, it was a, it was a very local example that he could give his son.

00:35:31.140 Well, that was say on a Tuesday, he had that conversation.

00:35:34.100 Well, by Saturday morning, he and his wife are gone to town and the son is at home and

00:35:40.760 he falls for the scam.

00:35:43.420 And once he falls for it, he goes and gets them $500.

00:35:47.300 He pays them.

00:35:48.380 They want 500 more dollars.

00:35:49.920 Well, he remembers, you know, the conversations dad had with, you know, about us.

00:35:55.200 And he, he at least recognizes that he's in enough trouble to call his dad and say, Hey,

00:36:01.460 dad, I'm, I'm in big trouble.

00:36:03.220 And, um, you know, that's a win.

00:36:05.360 I know a lot of parents, the parents I'm talking to, you know, they're, they're distraught.

00:36:08.680 I don't know what to do.

00:36:09.280 I don't know what's going to happen if the content gets out.

00:36:11.620 Uh, but understand that that is a win.

00:36:13.720 And so I told the dad, I said, you have no idea what I would give for that opportunity.

00:36:17.720 You have to make this as a, as a, as a learning experience for your son.

00:36:22.320 This is not the last mistake he's going to make.

00:36:24.820 This is it.

00:36:25.420 I mean, he's, he's sitting there walking around with it with something in his pocket every

00:36:28.380 day, that telephone that is filled with opportunities to make mistakes.

00:36:33.000 So to answer your question, you know, what I hope happens is that parents, if nothing

00:36:37.320 else, just show them if it's an interview like this, if it's a podcast, if it's me on

00:36:41.420 my Facebook page somewhere, show them somewhere.

00:36:44.100 And this is a good lead into this conversation because I tell kids, you know, the, the ideal

00:36:48.860 scenario is you don't step in the trap because Walker stepped right in the middle of the trap.

00:36:53.680 He got as deep into it as he could get.

00:36:55.700 And that's the thing.

00:36:56.320 I think, you know, the way this is described so many times is we, the, the, the sextortionist,

00:37:02.360 they want them to exchange pictures.

00:37:05.120 And that is the case sometimes.

00:37:06.900 And that's problematic, but I want people to understand that for the majority of these,

00:37:11.780 it's not pictures.

00:37:12.860 It's a video.

00:37:13.520 It was a video of Walker.

00:37:16.540 Okay.

00:37:17.660 And the video was, was not good.

00:37:21.380 If you could imagine what the video was, he was on his side of the, of the connection.

00:37:26.780 And, and I, I don't want to get too far into the deep water on that, but I want people to

00:37:31.440 really understand this is not a simple picture of Walker.

00:37:34.700 Yeah.

00:37:35.000 Dude, this is a video.

00:37:36.660 This is explicit.

00:37:37.640 Right.

00:37:37.900 And so it's not like we were in our generation that you could, if you were caught doing something,

00:37:42.640 you could deny it or whatever.

00:37:44.880 Yeah.

00:37:45.120 This is, this is beyond that.

00:37:47.560 This is, and this, this induced a fear that I can't imagine.

00:37:51.600 Really.

00:37:52.000 I can try to imagine because what if all of a sudden as a professional, as somebody that

00:37:56.660 is running a business and a family and involved in church and all those people that are looking

00:38:01.540 to you to have a higher standard, all of a sudden they see this, what's that going

00:38:06.120 to do to me tomorrow?

00:38:07.140 If I wake up to that, that's what Walker was faced with.

00:38:09.140 That's what these kids are faced with.

00:38:10.380 And so the fear that it induces is something more than just a picture.

00:38:16.940 And so the conversations needs to be that kids, look, this is something that is very

00:38:22.780 serious and that you could fall for very easily.

00:38:26.080 I tell boys, I tell when I go to the schools, I tell them, I said, look, boys, your, your 0.96

00:38:30.580 blind spot is that you have a physical need for sex. 0.87

00:38:34.080 You do girls, you have a, you have a need for attention and people telling you you're 1.00

00:38:41.940 valued and affirmation.

00:38:44.860 That's your blind spot.

00:38:46.480 And so what they're doing with the girls is they're extorting them for content. 0.51

00:38:50.100 So once they get them hooked, they're recording, cause that's what we expect Walker was looking

00:38:55.020 at.

00:38:55.220 We think Walker was looking at it as a video of a girl that had been extorted.

00:39:00.020 And so the girls are paying by supplying them with content and the boys have to pay them 0.75

00:39:06.800 money.

00:39:07.560 So, um, it's, it's a trap, but this is, you know, this is, I tell people, this is the trap

00:39:15.040 of today, you know, in a year, maybe we get our hands around this, maybe we, you know,

00:39:21.880 get to the point where we can prosecute some people and slow it down.

00:39:24.820 But right now, the only defense that we have is awareness.

00:39:28.080 That is it.

00:39:28.840 Your kids have got to know this is there and you got, they've got to know it.

00:39:32.000 It's rampant right now.

00:39:45.040 Well, the fact that you and your wife, that y'all are still standing, that y'all are still

00:39:51.320 here after enduring the worst tragedy that I think any parent can possibly imagine that

00:39:58.060 in itself is, I think a miracle of God.

00:40:02.580 And then that you are also going into the pain that I'm sure would be easier to just kind

00:40:08.820 of shut away and you are sharing that with the world and the hopes that you will help

00:40:13.660 other parents avoid this pain that I think is a testament just to the power of the Holy

00:40:21.260 Spirit and the work of the Lord to be able to redeem seemingly irredeemable situations,

00:40:27.060 to make beauty out of the ashes, to intend for good, something that Satan only intended

00:40:32.800 for evil.

00:40:33.560 God is in the business of redemption.

00:40:35.080 Satan hates that.

00:40:35.840 And so I'm very appreciative of you for being obedient in that.

00:40:40.320 But I want to hear some, like, how has this been from a spiritual perspective, from a faith

00:40:45.900 perspective?

00:40:46.360 I'm sure that there are moments that it's not just like, you know, thank you, Lord, for

00:40:51.080 this opportunity to share with other parents.

00:40:53.580 I'm sure that there are some really dark moments.

00:40:55.400 But if you could give some encouragement to parents who have either gone through this or

00:41:00.420 maybe their child died by suicide for another reason, whatever it is.

00:41:04.940 But there are a lot of parents who have been through a similar situation of loss.

00:41:09.420 How have you worked through this as a Christian?

00:41:14.080 Yeah.

00:41:14.380 So, I mean, I would tell you that, you know, my faith has been all over the board.

00:41:19.360 You know, and I think there I mean, I think there's a when I say all over the board, I think

00:41:24.180 it's a matter of, you know, I've got a question.

00:41:27.500 OK, the number one question is, God, you could have you could have stopped this.

00:41:31.100 You could have, no doubt.

00:41:33.440 I mean, it's the same God we serve that if he's able to handle my salvation for eternity,

00:41:38.780 he's able to stop Walker from pulling the trigger on that gun.

00:41:43.800 But he chose not to.

00:41:45.400 He chose not to for a reason.

00:41:47.240 And that reason is ultimately for our good somehow.

00:41:52.400 I know that this temporary separation from Walker is temporary.

00:41:54.820 But in the meantime, what Satan did is he didn't he don't under he don't he may not realize

00:42:03.620 he did.

00:42:04.140 But God's got a plan, not because I've got some special strength or anything else.

00:42:09.460 But through us, God is going to bring some people to himself that he wouldn't have otherwise.

00:42:15.280 And we know that.

00:42:18.540 But that is, you know, some days that's comforting.

00:42:21.980 Some days it's not.

00:42:24.320 Some days it's I don't really care.

00:42:26.180 I just won't walk her back.

00:42:28.100 And really, to be honest, every day is I just won't walk her back.

00:42:31.320 But you come to a quick reality that that's not going to happen.

00:42:35.140 And so this is our reality.

00:42:37.460 And inherently, I will speak for myself and my wife personally, we're fighters.

00:42:42.080 If I could, I'd be in Nigeria fighting somebody, but I can't.

00:42:48.040 And I understand that the fight is not with people is with Satan is with a spiritual fight

00:42:53.940 and God's God comes across people think about God in the Bible is, is this and he is he's

00:43:00.600 this loving, forgiving, meek God.

00:43:02.800 But when he comes back, he's coming back with a sword.

00:43:05.080 He's not coming back as a lamb.

00:43:06.940 And I see that fight that we have in front of us.

00:43:12.380 And it is with a spirit.

00:43:13.980 It is a spiritual fight.

00:43:15.860 And the only way to fight that is with love and helping other people see that I don't want

00:43:22.020 you to fall into this, but take it serious.

00:43:25.080 You know, it's yeah.

00:43:27.400 From a spiritual perspective, just knowing that God is right there with us every step.

00:43:34.220 He tells us not to be afraid, tells us to be courageous and continue to fight this fight.

00:43:38.300 And that's what we plan to do.

00:43:41.100 Yes.

00:43:41.520 And amen.

00:43:42.140 We talk a lot about Psalm 37 and that's always a comfort to me whenever I'm considering just,

00:43:47.580 you know, personal evil, you know, in our own lives or just the public evil that we see kind

00:43:54.200 of ravaging our country is that God is not doing nothing that, as you said, one day he will come back

00:43:59.940 and he will repay all of the evil that has been done.

00:44:04.200 He will do away with all of the wicked and the evildoers.

00:44:08.400 He will come back with a vengeance.

00:44:10.460 Um, and one day he will take care of all of it and we can rest secure in that.

00:44:17.080 In the meantime, he has this incredible ability to redeem the darkest and the most depraved things

00:44:24.120 that happen here on earth somehow in some kind of mysterious way for his glory.

00:44:29.380 Um, so I'm, I'm thankful that you're willing to share your story and gosh, I was touched by your

00:44:37.520 just ability to be able to share it.

00:44:40.260 And I know the other parents will be too.

00:44:42.640 Um, I also just want to give people, um, we're going to link in the description of this episode

00:44:48.220 there, the DOJ, they have a list of kind of do's and don'ts when it comes to finding yourself or your

00:44:56.420 child, finding themselves in a situation of sextortion, the things that you're supposed to do

00:45:01.780 as a process and not do.

00:45:03.880 And so we're going to link that just so people have that resource.

00:45:07.300 Um, but is there any, is there any other resources that you would recommend that people can connect

00:45:12.980 to just for more information about this?

00:45:16.700 Yeah.

00:45:17.200 I mean, not really as it relates to sextortion.

00:45:19.920 I would, I would tell them that's a great resource you just described.

00:45:23.660 Um, there's a, should be a, uh, 1-800 number to call on there for help.

00:45:28.540 If you're in that situation and need help, I know of a kid that actually called that number

00:45:33.000 and it, you know, is what saved him.

00:45:35.360 Um, you know, and so definitely in that scenario, do that.

00:45:39.640 If you would go through my Facebook page, it's just Brian Montgomery on Facebook.

00:45:42.840 I was, uh, I've got a message on there from Walker's funeral.

00:45:45.900 Um, you know, it's a salvation message.

00:45:48.760 If people don't know Christ and they want to understand where that hope comes from, that's,

00:45:53.440 that's on there.

00:45:54.680 Um, and we're planning on in the near future, starting a nonprofit to start promote, um,

00:46:00.260 safe online activities for kids and try to figure out ways to hopefully promote legislation,

00:46:06.720 support legislation, and give parents some tools to try to help them start to come alongside

00:46:11.920 their kids because we've crossed a, we've, we've crossed a, a line in the sand, so to

00:46:17.720 speak of the dangers that we're facing.

00:46:20.740 And, and, I mean, it's kind of like at some point in time, this country agreed that there

00:46:24.460 needed to be a age limit on drinking alcohol.

00:46:27.140 And, um, you know, there was a time I'm sure where there wasn't, that wasn't the case.

00:46:31.900 And so, uh, I feel like we've crossed that point.

00:46:35.160 Nobody wants to acknowledge it and admit it because we're all addicted to it, but, um,

00:46:40.460 we've got to admit it.

00:46:41.620 We've got to, we've got to figure that out or else with some of the technologies coming

00:46:44.780 down the line with, uh, AI and some of the things that are about to happen.

00:46:48.760 If we don't get our hands around this, our culture is going to have a major shift and

00:46:52.720 we're not going to be happy with the outcome.

00:46:55.560 Absolutely.

00:46:56.520 Absolutely.

00:46:56.880 Well, thanks for your advocacy.

00:46:58.380 I really appreciate it.

00:46:59.500 And thank you for taking the time to come on today.

00:47:02.180 Thank you so much.

00:47:04.320 Yep.

00:47:04.780 Thank you so much.

00:47:05.540 I appreciate you.

00:47:06.220 Thanks.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 13, 2023

Ep 788 ｜ The 'Sextortion' Scheme that Killed His Son ｜ Guest： Brian Montgomery

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