Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 797 ｜ Can Women Teach the Bible ... at All？

00:00:00.000 What are women allowed to talk about publicly? Are we allowed to talk about doctrine? Are we

00:00:07.040 allowed to teach Bible studies? Are we allowed to write theological books? Should I even have

00:00:13.160 this podcast? This is the debate that is roaring right now on Christian social media, and we will

00:00:19.120 dive into it, looking at all of the different views of gender roles within the church, preaching

00:00:25.440 versus pastoring, all that good stuff. It's going to be fun. This episode is brought to you by our

00:00:30.500 friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie to check out. That's GoodRanchers.com.

00:00:35.960 Code Allie.

00:00:45.720 Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. Hopefully,

00:00:51.580 spring has sprung wherever you are, and you are finally getting some consistent warmth. That's

00:00:58.400 what I'm hoping over where we are. All right. We're going to dive right into this debate. Some of you

00:01:04.100 are familiar with it. Some of you are not, but I think for everyone, hopefully, this will be

00:01:08.420 encouraging. Now, before I get started, I am having this internal debate and have been having this

00:01:14.460 internal debate about how specific I want to get on who is saying what. This person's arguing this.

00:01:21.520 That person is arguing that. And I've decided to stay away from naming names because I think it

00:01:30.480 contributes to a spirit of controversy and drama that I'm really not trying to get into. And at the

00:01:39.100 same time, I want you to know that as I'm giving examples of the different positions of this debate,

00:01:44.880 that I am talking about specific, real people and articulated perspectives. I'm not just,

00:01:50.640 you know, drawing examples out of thin air or imagining someone said something. There have

00:01:55.900 been pastors and authors, Twitter theologians, some of them, Twitter users, if you will, who fancy

00:02:02.800 themselves, you know, authoritative on this issue, who have been discussing this and debating

00:02:09.900 and debating this. Some names you probably know, some names you don't. So I just wanted to offer

00:02:15.940 my perspective on all of it because it does kind of have to do with me. Not fully, but I do think

00:02:24.640 some people kind of throw me into this debate simply because I am a female podcaster who talks

00:02:30.360 about theology. I talk about Christian things. And I'm also a conservative and I have conservative views

00:02:36.380 on gender roles and all of that. So where do I fall into it? What's my take on all of it?

00:02:40.760 So the debate right now, the kind of niche debate is about whether women can teach the Bible,

00:02:48.140 not just preach the Bible from the pulpit, but whether they can teach the Bible at all.

00:02:54.360 Like, should women be leading Bible studies? Should they be writing theological books,

00:02:59.060 publicly discussing doctrine, leading Bible studies, hosting podcasts that have anything to do with

00:03:04.920 theology or doctrine at all? And these might seem like, I'm guessing to most of you, bizarre questions.

00:03:10.880 Like most of you are probably thinking, if I know my audience and I think I do, you're thinking that's

00:03:16.660 ridiculous. Of course, women can teach the gospel or explain the scriptures. Most of you in this

00:03:24.240 audience also don't believe, just as I don't believe, that women should be pastors. Now, there may be

00:03:31.780 some of you who believe out there, because, you know, every audience has some diversity in it.

00:03:37.980 You might believe that, yes, women can and should teach the Bible. Like, you consider yourself a

00:03:42.820 conservative in a lot of ways, but you also believe that women can preach from the pulpit and be pastors.

00:03:50.160 So not just teach and preach the Bible, but also can be in the pulpit, can exercise that kind of

00:03:56.140 authority, and can maybe even pastor a church. Believe it or not, among political conservatives,

00:04:01.780 there are definitely people who hold that position. And even among people who would consider themselves

00:04:07.960 theologically conservative, there are some variations of that that some Christians adhere to.

00:04:15.980 And so here are the names for the different positions about gender roles, particularly

00:04:20.360 gender roles within the church. So the first one is egalitarianism, which holds that men and women

00:04:29.220 are of equal value. All of these positions posit that, that men and women are of equal innate value.

00:04:35.300 We are equally made in the image of God. And egalitarianism also says that men and women are

00:04:42.060 equally equipped for any role in the church, can hold any office within the church. They can be pastors,

00:04:47.580 they can be deacons, they can be elders, they can be anything. So they are egalitarian. They are equal,

00:04:53.180 not just in worth, but they can also be equal in role. There's no problem, according to this view

00:04:57.900 of a woman exercising authority over a man in any realm, including in the church. And then there's

00:05:04.720 complementarianism, which holds that men and women are of equal value, but that they, according to

00:05:10.180 scripture, are not called to the same roles. So for example, within this view, only men can be pastors

00:05:17.200 of a church. Only men can shepherd a congregation. And then there are soft complementarians and strict

00:05:23.340 complementarians. There are soft complementarians who may agree that according to scripture, men can

00:05:30.660 be pastors of a church. Only men can hold that position. But they would say women can still preach

00:05:36.860 from the pulpit from time to time, as long as they are ultimately under the authority of a male head

00:05:43.720 at the church. Strict complementarians would say no. Women cannot preach from the pulpit in church.

00:05:51.520 And then there would probably be some disagreement, even within that camp, even among strict

00:05:55.560 complementarians, about whether this applies to women preaching from a pulpit outside the church,

00:06:02.800 like at a Christian conference, in which both men and women are in the audience, or if that

00:06:09.040 prohibition only applies to women, like inside the local church on Sunday morning. So there are some

00:06:17.420 disagreements within that view. There are probably some disagreements within all of these views. I'm giving

00:06:21.500 you a general definition of them. Of course, there are going to be exceptions and variations and nuances

00:06:29.320 depending on where you are within that view. And then there is the patriarchal view, in which men and

00:06:38.120 women are of equal innate value. But the woman's role, according to this view, is exclusively centered

00:06:45.140 on homekeeping and child rearing. And while most who hold this view, most, most, wouldn't say that

00:06:54.340 women are incapable of understanding or even explaining the Bible. And I say most because there's some,

00:07:00.420 I've seen it on Twitter, who would say like, they're not. They're not capable the way that men are of

00:07:05.180 explaining or understanding the Bible. But most would say, yes, they have the capability, but that's

00:07:10.740 simply not their role. They would argue that women teaching the word is exercising inherently an

00:07:16.640 authority that has not been delegated to them. There are some other tenets of this view. Again,

00:07:22.020 variation among the individuals and congregations that hold this view. But many believe that women

00:07:26.680 should never exercise any authority anywhere over a man, whether it's government, whether it's at work

00:07:33.080 at all. Daughters are to remain home, typically within this view, under their dad's authority until

00:07:38.580 they get married. So if they get married at 45, they're under their dad's authority at home until

00:07:42.980 45. A lot of people who hold this view believe that. So there are different parts of it. Those are

00:07:49.480 some aspects, some tenets of this kind of patriarchal view, which we'll get into a little bit more in a

00:07:55.680 second. But that's kind of the main thrust of it. So most of us are familiar with complementarianism

00:08:03.300 and egalitarianism. Most of us are not really familiar, at least today, with the patriarchal

00:08:09.160 view. And the reason we're even talking about this, as I said at the beginning, and particularly

00:08:14.500 this last view, is because there is a debate that many of you have seen circulating on Twitter and

00:08:20.420 Instagram. As I like to say, you guys ultimately are my executive producers. So when I put up an

00:08:25.940 Instagram story yesterday and said, what do you want me to talk about? There's always a split. I

00:08:30.560 said, we can talk about these state bills that are happening, which are very important. We'll talk about

00:08:34.220 them this week. Or we can talk about this contentious issue about women preaching and teaching. And most of

00:08:39.800 you said this one. So that's how we landed here. By the way, I have done a women in the church

00:08:46.120 episode, I think back in 2019. And we'll link that. So I have talked about this issue in depth of

00:08:52.980 whether or not women should be preaching and pastoring. There have been some clips and quotes

00:08:57.540 circulating, arguing that women should not be teaching anything academic theologically, even to

00:09:06.520 women, and really that they shouldn't be learning this stuff from other people other than their

00:09:13.940 husbands. And by academic theology, I mean more complex theological issues. Eschatology, which is

00:09:23.040 the study of the end times, maybe included in academic theology would be Arminianism versus

00:09:28.440 Calvinism, the issue of predestination. And the idea that is being put forth here is that women

00:09:34.700 shouldn't be teaching these things at all, shouldn't really even be discussing them publicly, shouldn't

00:09:40.440 try to influence other people's opinions on them publicly, shouldn't be learning them unless they

00:09:48.300 are under the authority of a man, preferably their husband, or if single, their father or pastor.

00:09:55.540 So many in this patriarchal camp would also say that women should not be expositing the Bible,

00:10:14.240 even to women. So meaning preaching and interpreting the Bible, which means even at a women's conference

00:10:19.880 or at a women's Bible study, women should not be explaining passages or explaining theological concepts

00:10:25.380 to other women. So here is a quote explaining this by someone who holds this position.

00:10:31.880 Quote, when a woman teaches another woman devotional or academic theology without the direct oversight of

00:10:37.120 her spiritual head, that woman is essentially usurping the authority of that woman's father, husband,

00:10:44.040 or pastor. The only exception to this, they would argue, is the specification that is listed in Titus 2

00:10:54.660 through 5. Most of us are familiar with this passage. Quote, older women likewise are to be reverent in

00:11:01.580 behavior, not slanders or slaves to much wine. They are to teach what is good. And so train the young

00:11:08.020 women to love their husbands and children to be self-controlled, pure, working at home, kind,

00:11:15.080 and submissive to their own husbands, that the word of God may not be reviled. There's a lot of good

00:11:22.480 stuff in there. But the patriarchal position posits that if women are teaching other women,

00:11:28.960 which obviously, biblically, there is a place for that, but it must be, they say, within these bounds,

00:11:35.000 it must focus, all teaching by women must focus on child rearing and home making. They would go so

00:11:42.840 far as to say that a woman should not even learn theology from a man or a woman out from under the

00:11:49.900 authority of her spiritual head, namely her father or her husband. And here is a quote from a sermon

00:11:56.040 recently saying as much that you guys have probably seen going around. This pastor says,

00:12:02.040 and I'm not trying to decontextualize this. I'm not trying to make this sound worse than it is. I

00:12:07.780 think that this gives all the proper context here. I think this is a fair, I mean, this is just a

00:12:13.440 transcription, but I think it's fair to give as much context as we are. Quote, there are certain books

00:12:18.020 that I just had to say. This pastor says, hey, I don't know if this is a bad book, but I don't have

00:12:22.620 time to read it. So you're not going to read it either. We'll read it together. He's talking about

00:12:26.780 speaking to his wife. He says, I remember recently my wife had a book and I saw her reading it on the

00:12:32.120 couch. It was about paedo-baptism. And I said, no, we're not doing that yet. We will become paedo-baptists

00:12:37.100 when I'm ready. Paedo-baptist is infant baptism. But my wife's not going to be a paedo-baptist

00:12:42.700 for three years before I am. And I don't have time to read it right now. I know the arguments

00:12:47.520 will be great. I will agree and disagree. I'm not sure what arguments will be better. But for the

00:12:51.320 time being, this is one I'm persuaded of and you are not going to outpace me. This husband says to

00:12:59.860 his wife. All right. Okay. So I think that I've pretty fairly summarized. I mean, we could spend an

00:13:07.560 entire series looking at the different aspects of this. Let me give you just like my personal take,

00:13:15.460 okay, my personal perspective on this. And then we'll talk about what the Bible says. I'll look

00:13:20.120 to specifically a lot of the work that John Piper has done on this. He and Wayne Grudem, who I also

00:13:24.500 really appreciate. I always recommend Wayne Grudem's Systematic Theology. They wrote a book on biblical

00:13:29.220 manhood and womanhood. They've got a lot of great material out there about this. He's not the only one

00:13:34.620 who has written authoritatively and persuasively about this, but he has a lot of resources on his

00:13:39.360 Desiring God website. So we will go to those. But let me give you my just like personal perspective

00:13:44.940 because this is called Relatable. And I want to relate to those of you who, like me, are strong

00:13:52.960 willed women. This audience is mostly women. You're mostly moms. There's a lot of very smart,

00:14:01.120 very theologically adept, and very influential in a lot of ways, women who listen to this podcast.

00:14:14.800 And so I already know, I know your reaction. I know your reaction to what I just described. And

00:14:20.520 so let me just relate to you and tell you my personal perspective. If you've been listening

00:14:25.980 to this podcast for any amount of time, this doesn't come as a surprise to you, but I am also

00:14:30.160 a strong-willed person. I have, since toddlerhood, been opinionated. And not just opinionated,

00:14:37.200 but if I can say this, and I think I can persuasively opinionated, in that I'm not just

00:14:43.320 content with telling you what I think. Like, I want to persuade you of my position. In the second grade,

00:14:48.600 everyone got these character equality awards. I went to a Christian school. So everyone's character

00:14:52.260 equality awards at the end of the year had to do with the fruit of the spirit. Oh, you know,

00:14:56.400 Lauren is so loving. Katie is so friendly. Or maybe someone got like an organized or kind or

00:15:02.540 something like that. Or this person is gentle-spirited, generous, whatever. I got persuasive.

00:15:08.560 And my teacher told me that I should be an attorney. So that was the characteristic that I guess

00:15:15.900 stuck out for my second grade teacher, that I was persuasive. And I did. I like to persuade people.

00:15:21.880 I still do. I could read and talk and argue and wanted to from a very early age. I had a desire

00:15:29.740 to lead at a very early age. I questioned authority at a very early age. Until high school, I had a very

00:15:35.500 fraught relationship with my teachers because I questioned everything that I was taught. And even

00:15:41.580 in high school, I wasn't some troublemaker, some rebel or anything like that. Although I did use box

00:15:47.740 dye on my hair to dye a black one time, that's a different story. I just didn't like authority.

00:15:53.600 My mother and my grandmother were both teachers. My grandmother lived with us. I learned more

00:15:58.940 honestly about the fundamentals of words, of phonics, of reading, of writing, of communicating,

00:16:02.940 of memorizing from them than I did in my early years in school. So school was hard for me for

00:16:07.520 many years because in some areas, I just knew too much as a kid for my own good. And in other areas

00:16:13.480 like math or science, nothing came naturally. So I just didn't care. I didn't even try.

00:16:17.920 So school was a difficult time for me, mostly because of the authority structure and the

00:16:22.980 requirements that were there. I was much older in my mind than I actually was. My dad always said

00:16:29.600 that I was six going on 26. I'm the youngest of three. My brothers are 11 and seven years older than

00:16:34.880 me. My parents always took us with them to different business conferences, seminars, meetings.

00:16:39.420 So I spent a lot of time around adults. So adult authority for someone who thinks that they already

00:16:47.120 are an adult or that they reason like an adult because they spend so much time around people

00:16:51.720 older than them. In many ways, it's really difficult. Having a boss in my first couple

00:16:56.520 jobs out of college, really hard for me. I don't want to paint this picture like I always had some

00:17:01.840 horrible attitude or like I didn't have a good work ethic or I was never humble or never teachable

00:17:06.640 because that's not true. I really love learning and I love learning how to become good at something.

00:17:13.080 I enjoy and seek out ways to learn from people who know more than I do on something or are better

00:17:19.060 at something than I am. However, being taught and guided, which I've always really loved and helped,

00:17:25.560 is different than being managed. And I don't like to be managed. So a lot of you feel the same way

00:17:32.420 that I do, which makes it even more difficult to, I think, talk about this without like a

00:17:39.800 like physical reaction or aversion to the things that we're reading. I have always very much valued

00:17:45.780 independence, freedom, autonomy. I always knew that long term, I wouldn't have a desk job. Not that

00:17:51.660 there's anything wrong with that. I just knew that I wouldn't. I knew I would pursue something like what

00:17:56.040 I'm doing today in some way through, whether it was through ministry or even just a hobby or

00:18:00.800 an actual job. My parents knew it. They encouraged it. We didn't know what it would look like,

00:18:06.960 but we just knew that I would be doing something like this where I'm communicating to people,

00:18:11.860 trying to persuade people, trying to encourage people. That's who I have always been. I've never

00:18:16.900 been afraid of that. I've never been afraid of being in front of people. I've never been afraid of saying

00:18:20.900 my opinion. I've been very confident in those things for a very long time. At the same time,

00:18:28.040 growing up, I've always wanted to be a wife and mom. Always. There was no part of me that wanted

00:18:33.280 to chase some career or anything and put off marriage and motherhood until later in life,

00:18:38.600 until I was a certain level of success. That's not what I wanted to do. And I got married right out of

00:18:42.920 almost right out of college, 23 years old. And that's that's what I wanted to do. I always had that

00:18:48.220 desire to. Also, beginning in college and later in high school, my faith became real to me. I was

00:18:57.160 raised in a Christian home, attended a Christian school, always went to church, which I am immeasurably

00:19:01.660 thankful for. But Christ captured my heart and mind in my later teenage years, early 20s. And I

00:19:08.320 understood that all parts of me were to be shaped for his glory rather than my own. My sin, my pride,

00:19:19.820 all of it had to be killed. My heart had to be made new. My strengths and weaknesses all used according

00:19:26.280 to his will, his purposes, and not my own. It meant submission to his authority rather than my own

00:19:33.820 autonomy, which also meant and still means submitting to hierarchies that he has put in place for our

00:19:41.760 good. And a couple of those hierarchies that we see clearly in scripture are within marriage and

00:19:47.140 within the church. In marriage, as we read in Ephesians 5, the husband is to be the head of the

00:19:52.080 wife and wives are to submit to their husbands as to the Lord. In the church, I'm not to be a pastor.

00:19:59.000 I am not to exercise authority over men. And these are things I always knew and would say I agreed

00:20:05.280 with. I mean, I was raised in a conservative home and church where these hierarchies were represented

00:20:09.380 for me. But that doesn't mean that they were going to be easy for me. My personality, like many of your

00:20:16.320 personalities, it tells me, lead, get up, say it, persuade, decide, tell people where to go. But if this

00:20:25.860 personality that God gave me, these strengths that God gave me and so clearly demonstrated through me

00:20:31.200 from childhood are to glorify him, they must fall within his bounds. They don't need to be squashed

00:20:39.100 or belittled, but they must fall within the proper context. I believe for my good and also for his glory.

00:20:46.640 So that means that even if we are able, women, to lead our husbands, so to be the final decision maker,

00:20:53.820 to be the one who dictates where we move, how we spend, what church we go to, the spiritual formation

00:21:00.740 of the family, that that is ultimately not up to us. Now, because we are one flesh with our husbands,

00:21:06.840 these decisions are made together. But the ultimate responsibility, the final say for the well-being

00:21:13.500 of the family falls on the husbands. Now, just a caveat, I know not all husbands are Christians and

00:21:19.200 the Christian wife, according to 1 Peter 3, want us to try to win him over by living a godly life

00:21:24.380 herself. But we are called to submit to our husbands as wives insofar as doing so does not cause us to

00:21:32.880 sin in any way. So that means, and forgive me if this sounds like braggadocious in any way, because

00:21:41.100 that's not my intent. It's actually trying to express like how submission to God and his will

00:21:48.860 looks for different people. Like, even if we feel a certain way very strongly, even if we feel like

00:21:54.740 we have what it takes to do something that falls outside of his bounds. So all of this means that

00:21:59.660 even though, even though I know I am mentally and physically capable, mentally and physically capable

00:22:06.880 of stepping to a pulpit on Sunday morning and delivering a more biblically sound, exegetically

00:22:12.560 exquisite, persuasive, and dynamic sermon than many male pastors in America today, I can't do it.

00:22:20.120 Because that is not the realm to which God has called me as a woman. And you know what? Like,

00:22:28.060 of course, pride would have a struggle with that. Pride would have us want that. One of the parts of the

00:22:33.200 curse is that, Eve, your desire will be for your husband, but he will rule over you. The hierarchy

00:22:41.120 is not a part of the fall, but our desire to usert that authority and to exercise our own authority,

00:22:48.420 that is a part of sin. That is a part of the fall. But ultimately, because I know that God is wiser and

00:22:56.540 infinitely better than I am, I am thankful that even though I am physically and mentally capable,

00:23:01.140 physically and mentally capable of doing some things, that I'm not called to doing all of those

00:23:06.400 things, even if it is just because of the gender that God providentially gave me, because I don't

00:23:12.100 actually want all of the authority and the responsibility that comes from being the ultimate

00:23:17.620 say-so for my family, being the shepherd for my family, being a shepherd for an entire congregation.

00:23:23.560 Like, I don't want those responsibilities and roles, even though maybe I'm capable in a lot of

00:23:29.980 ways to exercise them. So if you're someone who just struggles in general, not just with that

00:23:35.440 patriarchal view that I listed, which again, I'm going to get into my issues with that, but just

00:23:40.640 the issue of different roles, the issues of hierarchies, the issues of, you know, gender differences

00:23:47.840 within the church. Like, I feel you. I totally, totally understand where you are coming from.

00:23:55.460 But as we will explain a little bit further, God's way is better. So let's talk specifically a little

00:24:02.340 bit more about this patriarchal position and where I think it falls short, where I think that there are

00:24:08.340 some contradictions within it. All right. So I don't want the authority and the responsibility that

00:24:26.040 comes from leadership, even if some of the capabilities, not all, but some of the capabilities

00:24:31.640 are there. Even if I feel like, wow, God made me this way. I have to lead in all of these realms. Look,

00:24:38.060 God has given us a lot of different skills that are always called when we become Christians to be

00:24:43.820 placed in the proper and most God glorifying ways. Like you might be, or contacts rather,

00:24:51.820 like if you might be an amazing, I don't know, see, this is one of the realms that God hasn't gifted

00:24:57.920 me. And you might be great with computers. Okay. And God has given you that gift to use that gift.

00:25:03.640 But that doesn't mean that just because someone gives you an offer of $5 million to do something

00:25:09.400 illegal with your gifts or something unethical with that gift that you're supposed to like hack

00:25:13.980 into some server and steal a bunch of money for that. I don't know how computers work,

00:25:18.320 but we all have proper context and responsibilities for the gifts that we have been given. But I do believe

00:25:25.880 all of us have particular gifts. All of us have particular strengths. All of us have particular

00:25:30.720 weaknesses. And I do use, obviously you're listening to this or watching this, my strengths

00:25:37.120 of communication in the public domain specifically to help women. Now, there are related bros who listen

00:25:45.620 to this podcast. I know that. There are men who listen to this podcast. There are men who have read my

00:25:51.800 book. There are men who attend the women's conferences that I speak at. And even though my audience is

00:25:59.460 majority women, even though my messages are tailored to women, even though I say specifically like this

00:26:07.080 is a show that is going to be relatable for women, I say that that's my passion to help educate and

00:26:15.580 empower the women who are already on my side and try to persuade the ones who are not to show women

00:26:22.120 like why politics matter, but also how theology affects our politics. And so that means that,

00:26:30.520 yes, I will be talking about the Bible because Genesis 1-1 can't be separated from what I think

00:26:38.180 about politics or what I think about culture. If I believe that God created the heavens and the earth

00:26:43.980 and he's the authority over all of it, then that means that he is the sole arbiter of what is and what

00:26:48.960 isn't, what's right and what's wrong, what's good and what's bad, what's true and what's false,

00:26:52.620 that is going to affect what I think about gender, what I think about abortion, even what I think

00:26:57.880 about immigration, what I think about gun laws, what I think about the people that we elect.

00:27:03.060 And so that is going to mean that we wade into some, yes, academic theology at times.

00:27:09.720 That, yes, because you know what? Eschatology has to do with my politics.

00:27:14.280 So understanding or believing what I do about the end times, which I've done episodes on that

00:27:20.200 before, I mean, that will affect my politics. What I think about gender roles, which could be

00:27:26.180 considered an academically theological subject, like that's going to affect my politics. That's

00:27:31.660 going to affect culture. Now, maybe the patriarchal position is that women don't need to be talking

00:27:36.360 about politics and culture. I think that that is, that's a position. You can have that position.

00:27:42.160 That's fine. But if you hold that position, do not ask to come on my podcast. Okay. That's the thing

00:27:48.020 is that a lot of these people who say this, they're like, oh, women really shouldn't be talking about

00:27:52.000 these things. Women really shouldn't be bringing these like complex issues to the table. Fine.

00:27:56.920 Don't ask to come on my podcast. Don't ask me to read your book. Like don't ask for, don't,

00:28:03.300 don't ask for those things. I'm not talking about anyone specifically. I'm just saying there are a lot

00:28:07.120 of Theo bros online that would say, you know, Allie Stuckey shouldn't, because she's a woman,

00:28:12.660 she shouldn't be talking about these things. That's fine. Don't you dare retweet me. Don't ask

00:28:18.720 for a retweet. Don't ask for my platform. If you think that my platform is inherently unbiblical.

00:28:25.820 Because where I fall is in the complementarian realm. I don't believe that women should be

00:28:32.080 preaching at church on Sundays at all, whether you're a pastor or not. I don't believe that

00:28:36.500 you should be exercising that authority over men. I certainly don't think that you should be

00:28:40.160 a pastor or a co-pastor of a church. Look, I have been offered a lot of money from some of these very

00:28:47.120 wealthy MAGA churches to come speak there. And then I look into their church's theology. I look into

00:28:54.620 their church's hierarchy and I see that they have female co-pastors. And I have to say no. And I have

00:29:00.960 done that many times. As I said, believe it or not, there are many conservatives who are okay with

00:29:07.180 women exercising authority. I've been asked to speak places Sunday morning by myself. And I've

00:29:13.560 had to say no. Look, I'll do a Q&A. I'll do an interview. I'll do something like that on stage

00:29:18.540 if you want that to be a segment of your Sunday. But I'm not going to speak by myself on Sunday

00:29:24.840 morning if it's a mixed audience. I can't speak at your church. I'm sorry if you have a female

00:29:29.300 pastor. That's been difficult. I've had to cut off opportunities and cut ties because of those

00:29:34.980 things. But I don't see biblical support for the idea that women can't be talking about academic

00:29:42.840 subjects, theology, doctrine publicly. Now, I take my doctrine in theology from almost exclusively,

00:29:53.240 I would say, male theologians. I can't even really tell you a female theologian that I am like,

00:29:59.300 inspired by. Well, actually, I don't even know if I would call them theologians. But there are women,

00:30:06.720 however, that I am inspired by, that I get content from, that I cite very often. And I just wonder if

00:30:12.920 they fall into, according to those who hold this patriarchal view, I'm wondering if women that I am

00:30:19.360 inspired by, like Elizabeth Elliott, like Amy Carmichael, like Susan Heck. I mean, there's so many

00:30:25.920 different women who speak about things, who write about things, who teach about things that are not

00:30:32.720 limited to homemaking. Now, everything, again, I think goes back to that. You have to know theology,

00:30:38.420 even, yes, academic theology, in order to live a life that we are called to live and teach the things

00:30:44.640 that we are called to teach in Titus 2, about living pure lives, about conducting ourselves in

00:30:51.600 a way that is godly, leading up our children. Like, look, if I'm discipling my kids, I need to know

00:30:59.000 and I need to be able to teach, not just to my kids, but if I'm an older woman to younger women,

00:31:05.220 like, what does the Bible say about predestination and salvation? You'd be surprised,

00:31:09.240 but that comes up really early in motherhood. Like, what do you believe the gospel actually is?

00:31:14.220 What do you believe the end times are? All of these things, in one way or another, have to do

00:31:19.360 with motherhood. And so, even if we are only called as women to teach what Titus 2 tells us to teach,

00:31:26.320 we need to be able to understand these very heady, very complicated theological issues,

00:31:31.560 and yes, repackage them for women. Because I just, I'm not really sure if there's any theological

00:31:38.480 topic, no matter how complex, no matter how academic, that will not affect how someone lives

00:31:45.940 and therefore how someone mothers. And so, I simply don't see that much of a distinction there.

00:31:53.920 And by the way, a lot of these women who are repeating this idea that women can only talk about

00:31:59.200 child rearing, women can only talk about, like, keeping a home, which are all wonderful things

00:32:03.660 that I think we should focus on and we should talk about and we should be taught about. There should

00:32:07.320 be more mentorship in the church about those things, 100%. But a lot of the women who are

00:32:12.860 saying, yes, women shouldn't be talking about theology. You shouldn't be even talking about

00:32:16.580 politics. You shouldn't be talking about worldview and all that. They chime in in the gender debates.

00:32:22.240 I see your tweets. You got something to say about President Biden. You got something to say about

00:32:27.040 Trump. You got something to say about guns. You got something to say about a lot of these

00:32:31.920 political topics. But what would you say to the women who say this? You say, well, they're really

00:32:37.720 biblical topics. Yeah, that's my argument, too. That's my argument, too. I talk about the things

00:32:42.540 that I do because I think that they have not just political and cultural significance, but they have

00:32:46.620 theological, spiritual, and eternal significance. And I do see, I mean, I do believe that men and women

00:32:54.440 as Christians are called to those things. And I say this also as someone who is really skeptical

00:33:04.100 of Bible studies that are written by women. Like, I'll just be honest. Like, I'm really skeptical

00:33:10.040 when I, like, I'm really skeptical of those things. My propensity, as someone who considers myself,

00:33:16.660 like, I'm a gal's gal, okay? Like, I love my female friendships. I've always had strong female

00:33:22.960 friendships. I've never been someone that's like, I'm just different. I only have guy friends. I've

00:33:27.620 never been that kind of person. Sorry, Brie laughed in the background that made me laugh.

00:33:33.460 So I'm, like, I'm a gal's gal. And I think women are awesome and, like, so smart and so capable.

00:33:39.420 And yet, I'll just be honest. Like, I am skeptical when I hear, when, like, teaching comes from a woman.

00:33:46.040 I'm not saying that's right of me to always be skeptical of that. But I do gravitate, definitely.

00:33:52.960 Towards theological works and towards biblical books that are written by men. Not always. Again,

00:33:58.400 there are definitely exceptions. But usually, especially the academic books. So I have no

00:34:03.560 problem saying that most academic theological work that we have that is trustworthy has been

00:34:10.080 written by men. That's, I'm fine with saying that. But again, when I think of someone like Nancy

00:34:16.540 Piercy, who I don't think she was, she wouldn't call herself a theologian, but who has written

00:34:20.320 amazing theological books, like Total Truth, like Love Thy Body. I mean, those have been so

00:34:28.440 instrumental in my understanding of these very complex topics from an academic, but more important,

00:34:36.260 biblical perspective. Like, I think that there would be a void left if Nancy Piercy didn't write books.

00:34:41.620 What about Rosaria Butterfield? If you haven't listened to her interview, go back to Thursday.

00:34:46.900 If she wasn't out there sharing her testimony, I mean, we talked theology on Thursday.

00:34:53.420 We talked some political and cultural stuff that's really just biblical.

00:34:57.100 We didn't really talk that much about motherhood, although she is a homeschooling mom. I'm sure she

00:35:01.060 has a lot to say about that. But she talks about a lot of things. And wow, people, by the grace of God,

00:35:06.940 through Rosaria Butterfield, have repented of their sins, even sexual sins, because they have

00:35:12.300 realized just the power of the gospel worked out through her. Should she be silent? Should she

00:35:19.900 reserve the things that she has to say about biblical doctrine, about theology, about her own testimony,

00:35:26.420 to the privacy of her own journals, and simply allow her husband to speak up about these things?

00:35:31.040 Look, I've also seen people say that it's a problem if a woman's husband is not as famous

00:35:40.860 as her or isn't as well known as her. Why? That's you measuring someone's value by whether

00:35:47.800 they are public or private. God isn't. I don't think that I'm more important to the body of Christ

00:35:53.280 than someone who is never behind a microphone or only influences the five people in her home versus

00:36:00.160 the number of people that I influence. I don't think that person is less valuable or less

00:36:04.300 instrumental. I don't think that the man who just happens to not have a public platform is somehow

00:36:09.600 weak or somehow not leading or is somehow not influential or somehow not fulfilling his God-given

00:36:15.320 role of leadership versus a woman who is public. I don't think God measures our obedience or usefulness

00:36:21.840 or value by whether we are private or public with our platforms. It just depends on the strengths

00:36:28.380 and the opportunities and the platforms that he has given us, and it's our opportunity and our

00:36:33.060 responsibility, rather, to steward those things responsibly and for his glory, right?

00:36:38.960 And I think, again, about Elizabeth Elliot. Sure, you know Jim Elliot, but her second husband,

00:36:44.660 do you know his name? He died. Her third husband, do you know his name? I know their names, but that's

00:36:49.820 just because I'm an Elizabeth Elliot stan. Not because her husbands were famous, besides, again,

00:36:56.820 Jim Elliot and her last husband, Lars, traveled with her. Yes, he was her spiritual head. He was

00:37:03.720 the leader of the family, but he also helped her a lot. He made sure all the logistics were taken care

00:37:09.760 of, even that the audio was secure and put in place and everything like that. She was the one

00:37:15.120 going around and teaching. Was she teaching women? Yes, she was teaching women. She also had a radio

00:37:19.880 program in which I'm sure there were men who tuned in. And Elizabeth Elliot, just like me,

00:37:25.540 can't control that. I can't control that. It's not my job. And I don't have the capability of

00:37:32.340 being able to filter out who listens to me publicly. But I think that not that I'm comparing

00:37:38.040 myself to Elizabeth Elliot at all. I'm just saying public platforms, like you just do the best you can

00:37:43.520 and you speak to the subjects that you can with as much, you know, grace and God-given power as

00:37:49.480 possible. And so when I just see this view, when I just compare this view to reality and I look at

00:37:58.160 the faithful, theologically conservative, biblically solid women who have written beautifully exegetical

00:38:07.980 and beautifully sound Bible studies because they exist out there. Again, I mean, I do think women

00:38:14.840 tend to be more emotional. And so sometimes I do think the Bible studies are more me-centered and

00:38:20.380 I don't always enjoy that. And so, and because I don't think it's biblical, but there are women

00:38:24.640 who have written amazing Bible studies, who have written amazingly biblical sound books. You don't

00:38:30.100 know the names of their husbands. Maybe they've made a lot of money from these platforms too. And

00:38:35.820 their husband has, you know, a different kind of job. And I have benefited so much from these

00:38:42.060 women's testimonies, from their smarts, from their words, from the gifts that God has given them.

00:38:47.960 And they would agree that they're not the head of their family, that they're not a head of the church,

00:38:53.720 but that they see their humble and obedient use of God's gifts as simply serving him.

00:39:03.440 Here's another question that I have for this. Like, are women called to discipleship?

00:39:07.240 Are they called to discipleship? Are they called to share the gospel? Are they called to reach out

00:39:13.520 to the lost in their own lives? You would say yes, right? No matter what your view is on gender roles,

00:39:20.800 you would say yes. Yeah, I would too. I would too. And you know what is required in discipleship?

00:39:28.520 A grasp of and an ability to communicate some of these more academic and theologically complex

00:39:36.980 topics. I'm not saying that you have to be a master theologian. Most men aren't master theologians

00:39:41.700 either. But look, if a young woman, young college woman comes to me, she's not married, she's, you

00:39:48.620 know, she's single, shouldn't have kids. And she says, will you please like disciple me? Help me

00:39:54.340 understand like what Christianity is about. Yeah, I might not get into eschatology right away,

00:40:00.400 but it's eventually going to come up. So am I only supposed to teach this young woman what it means

00:40:07.540 to be a wife and mom, which I think is, would be a really important part of a discipleship and

00:40:11.740 mentorship relationship to be able to give that example for her? Absolutely. But when she comes

00:40:17.340 with these really complex questions, these theological questions about sin, about salvation

00:40:22.720 and about sanctification, am I supposed to pass the baton to someone else, even though I am fully

00:40:28.100 equipped to be able to answer those questions for her? I want to know genuinely, like are women

00:40:34.780 called to a limited form of discipleship in which we have to then pass the torch to a man? Like,

00:40:42.080 do I call my husband and say, hey, you know, Sally's got a question about theology. I do know the answer,

00:40:49.440 but if I could just put you on speakerphone and you could answer it, that would be great.

00:40:53.220 I'm not sure that that is what is required of us in Titus 2. Yes, women are supposed to teach those

00:41:00.060 things. I'm not sure that Titus 2 means that we are supposed to only teach those things. Yes,

00:41:07.000 I don't believe that women are supposed to be pastors in a church. I don't believe that means

00:41:10.200 that we are never in any context able to exegete scripture. Okay, so John Piper is what I would

00:41:30.140 also consider myself a complementarianist and a complementarian. Now, just to say, I don't agree

00:41:37.380 with John Piper on everything. I don't. Like, I'm not looking to him as like the sole authority

00:41:41.880 on this. But when it comes to a variety of things, like when it comes to eschatology,

00:41:47.600 when it comes to biblical manhood and womanhood, I do think that I align most with John Piper

00:41:55.520 and those in his camp. Now, he said some like political things we've talked about on here that

00:42:00.780 I totally disagree with. I actually theologically disagree with some of those political statements.

00:42:05.200 But that doesn't mean that I don't appreciate him in a lot of ways. So let me tell you a little

00:42:11.240 bit about what he said as a complementarian on biblical manhood and womanhood. So in response to

00:42:19.600 the idea that men and women can have equal roles, that they can both do anything that they want to

00:42:25.280 do, he says, sin did not bring diversified complementary roles into existence. God did.

00:42:30.980 So this means that before the fall, God ordained and fitted Adam to be a loving,

00:42:35.180 caring, strong leader for his wife, Eve. God ordained and fitted Eve to be a partner who

00:42:39.960 supports and honors that leadership and helps carry it through. Again, like I would say,

00:42:44.960 and I think he would say, this doesn't mean that she is only always in a servant type role. But when

00:42:50.840 it comes to marriage, there is headship, there is submission. And in Ephesians 5, he says,

00:42:57.160 Paul reiterates this creation order when he talks about husbands leaving their wives, being the head

00:43:03.620 of the wives as Christ is the head of the church, wives being submissive to your husbands as to the

00:43:10.180 Lord. Now, I always like to say this because, again, if you're a strong-willed gal like me,

00:43:14.440 that might rub you the wrong way, the idea of submitting to your husband. But this is a woman

00:43:18.960 protective passage. What would have been radical at the time that this was written was not the command

00:43:23.760 for husbands to be the head of their wives or not. It wouldn't have been scandalous to say,

00:43:29.400 wives, you should submit to their husbands. What would have been scandalous at the time

00:43:34.260 was the command for husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for

00:43:41.720 her. Because the rampant idea at the time, which has been rampant in different parts of history,

00:43:47.200 is that wives are basically receptacles for their husbands. The husbands can do whatever they want to.

00:43:53.240 They can have affairs. They can have mistresses. They can do what they want with their slaves.

00:43:58.760 They have all the power. I've talked about this many times before that women during this time were

00:44:03.560 really not seen or treated as full persons. And so they were subjugated in a lot of ways. So this

00:44:10.660 passage would have been so offensive to the time, not because there were so many feminists running

00:44:15.680 around and saying, what? I thought that wives should be leading their husbands. No. It was obvious that

00:44:20.560 men at the time had more power over women, including husbands over their wives. What would have been

00:44:24.560 radical would have been the call to husbands to lay down their very lives for their wives. There are

00:44:31.840 other parts of the New Testament that calls them to fidelity, exclusivity, monogamy, mutual submission

00:44:40.500 in a lot of ways. And like mutual, even like a sexual fulfillment, as we've talked about before in a lot

00:44:48.820 of ways. And so these commands that I think a lot of feminists or a lot of people see today as,

00:44:53.780 you know, anti-woman actually, as they were written, would have been so radical in the sense that they

00:44:59.880 are commanding men to act so differently than the other husbands at the time would have acted in a way

00:45:06.320 that was humble and sacrificial and loving to the point of even death, just as Christ died for the

00:45:13.620 sanctity, for the love of the church. Now, John Piper says the real task of whether we have grasped

00:45:19.620 Paul's depiction in Ephesians 5 is whether we apply it to life in the church. So he cites 1 Timothy 2,

00:45:30.460 11 through 14, let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or have

00:45:35.540 authority over men. She has to keep silent. For, and this goes back to creation order, Adam was formed

00:45:41.800 first, then Eve. Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor. So we

00:45:49.300 do have to look at the context. In all verses, we look at the context. We use scripture to interpret

00:45:54.400 scripture. We look at the original translation and we don't just say, I don't like that. So I'm going to

00:45:59.900 try to find some commentary that agrees with my dislike of it so I can dismiss it. We just try to

00:46:04.800 understand it better. And we say, wow, God's word, God's way is better than mine. So let me understand

00:46:09.480 what this says. So John Piper says that the word for silence here is Hesuia. I don't know if I

00:46:16.460 pronounced that correctly. Hesuia probably is used early in verse 2, referring to the quiet life which

00:46:25.960 all godly people should lead. Pray that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life, godly and respectful in

00:46:33.680 every way. If you look at the context and the original word, it doesn't mean absolute silence.

00:46:39.640 It's more what we would call quietness. Piper says that quietness means not speaking in a way that

00:46:45.800 compromises that authority which God has set up within the church. So it doesn't mean that a woman

00:46:52.260 can't give morning announcements. It doesn't mean that a woman can't sing. It doesn't mean that a woman

00:46:56.960 can say absolutely nothing during a church service. It is talking about a particular kind of

00:47:03.020 reverence that people are called to. And if you look at the passage in its totality, the concern

00:47:10.940 is the orderly nature of the meetings, the orderly nature of the church, as well as the hierarchy.

00:47:18.040 We know that God is a God of order. We see that from the beginning all the way to the end of

00:47:22.720 Scripture. And so there was a disorder that was happening, not just in authority, but also just

00:47:27.620 in behavior in these early congregations that Paul, using the authority of Scripture and citing

00:47:33.940 the creation, was trying to rectify. It was less about saying that women cannot open their mouths

00:47:39.240 and more to saying, look, there's an order to church, just as there was an order to creation.

00:47:45.880 And he says that we can look, Piper says, we can look at other places where Paul and others talk

00:47:50.780 about women teaching. Titus 2, of course, says that older women are to teach the younger women.

00:47:55.580 2 Timothy 3.14 is where Paul tells Timothy to remember from whom he learned the Scriptures,

00:48:00.580 his mother and grandmother. And then Acts 8.18.26 tells us when Priscilla and Achilla heard

00:48:08.680 Apollos, they took him and expounded to him the way of God more accurately. So every kind of teaching

00:48:14.240 is not forbidden to women. There are examples of them teaching younger women, teaching children,

00:48:17.880 in some way, teaming up with their husbands to give private instruction. And so he says that it's

00:48:25.280 probably safest, based on interpretation and context, to mean that a certain kind of teaching

00:48:30.040 that relates to authority within the church is not permitted for women. And then he goes on to explain,

00:48:38.620 like, what does authority actually mean? It refers to the divine calling of spiritual gifted men

00:48:45.120 to take primary responsibility as elders for Christ-like servant leadership and teaching

00:48:50.460 in the church. And submission refers to the divine calling of the rest of the church, both men and

00:48:55.300 women, to honor and affirm the leadership of the elders and to be equipped by it for the hundreds

00:48:59.620 and hundreds of various ministries available to men and women in the service of Christ. He makes

00:49:05.460 these points. According to Scripture, God intends for the entire church to be mobilized in ministry,

00:49:10.400 male and female. God intends to equip and mobilize the saints through a company of spiritual men who

00:49:15.040 take primary responsibility for leadership and teaching in the church. Piper concludes by

00:49:20.860 commending this to you for your belief and for your behavior, because this is the way the scriptures

00:49:24.800 teach us to order the church. And God inspired the scriptures and God is good. There are some other

00:49:31.980 questions. We don't have time to answer all of them, but there are some other questions that Piper

00:49:38.000 answered about whether or not a woman could preach in the church at all. And he says she may be under

00:49:45.700 the authority of the elders, but she is not under the authority of the New Testament, and neither would

00:49:49.940 they be for putting her in that situation. So he would say, no, a woman can't preach behind the pulpit,

00:49:56.300 even if someone says, you know, she's under my authority, she's under the head of the pastor.

00:50:03.880 So he also answers the question about whether men and women can be employed in different types of

00:50:12.280 ministry. Of course, he says, yes, women are. Women are called to share the gospel. Women are called to

00:50:17.540 teach in a variety of ways. But again, it comes back to the authority and the order and the structure of

00:50:23.100 the church. And yes, even the family. There are other things that he answers. He talks about women

00:50:30.000 in seminary, whether they can be teachers there. What I don't think is answered, and I guess is still

00:50:35.640 up for debate. What I don't see explicitly in scripture is whether women can talk about these

00:50:41.740 things at all. I don't see any biblical prohibition or even inhibition to women to be able to talk about

00:50:49.700 things of biblical importance, even academic level importance, theologically complex topics. Yes, we do

00:50:59.100 typically rely on very wise and strong men for these things. But I don't see any exclusion of women when it

00:51:07.080 comes to talking about the Bible, even expositing the Bible in some ways and in some contexts, or talking

00:51:16.920 about issues of cultural and political import. It seems that God has both gifted women with this and

00:51:26.560 called some women to this. Now, does that mean that there should be a dereliction of duty if we are wives

00:51:32.200 and moms, that we should be prioritizing whatever other pursuits that we have before our priority

00:51:37.860 of the home? No, but all of us in one way or another are focusing on a variety of things. Of course,

00:51:46.380 it is a matter, once again, when it comes to our lives as women, as moms, as wives, of order, of

00:51:52.660 ordering, of understanding our primary responsibilities, our primary roles, and ensuring that we are

00:51:58.720 stewarding all of the time, all of the gifts, all the resources that God has given us for his glory

00:52:04.200 within their proper biblical context. I take issue with different parts of the patriarchal view that

00:52:10.000 women have to stay at home until they get married, that they are not able to talk about doctrine or

00:52:17.080 teach doctrine to other women. I just don't see biblical support for it. And again, I think it's

00:52:22.240 logically inconsistent if we believe that all women are called to share the gospel, all women are called

00:52:27.280 to discipleship, all women are called to think and speak biblically. And look, I don't use this as,

00:52:35.280 I don't use this as a way to say, well, this is how we know that, you know, someone is justified in

00:52:42.760 doing what they do. But I am very thankful that by the grace of God, by the grace of God, that I

00:52:50.260 received messages from women saying, I didn't know the gospel until this podcast, or I wasn't pro-life,

00:52:57.660 or I was considering having an abortion, or I was considering putting off having kids,

00:53:01.620 maybe forever because I was scared of the future or because I just wanted to do my job or whatever

00:53:07.720 it was, by the complete power of God that he has used this podcast, thankfully and graciously to

00:53:14.920 bring people to himself and to change minds and hearts on things that I think have spiritual and

00:53:20.300 eternal impact. And there may come a day where he calls me away from this, where this is no longer

00:53:28.020 my responsibility or no longer my role anymore. And I am open, of course, to correction on all of

00:53:36.600 these things. But I have to say, like, it's difficult for me to get the messages that I do

00:53:42.120 and to receive the feedback that I do and to see the fruit that God has, again, graciously and

00:53:47.560 mercifully given to this podcast and what we talk about. And meet those of you who come up to me with

00:53:55.680 hands shaking and tears in your eyes and you telling me your testimony and how God has, like,

00:54:00.120 used this book or this podcast or whatever to teach you something. It's really difficult for me to say,

00:54:04.700 you know what? Like, this area is just not for any women. I don't know. I don't know. It's hard for me

00:54:14.820 knowing what I know, not just about scripture, but also about some women, some women who are in

00:54:20.340 ministry, some women who are writing books, some women who are doing the things that they do, again,

00:54:27.640 within the biblical context of their authority and abilities, and to see the fruit and the products

00:54:34.120 of that and to think, no, that's not for them. Again, primarily and most importantly, I'm not sure

00:54:40.040 that the Bible supports excluding women from all of those roles. But also, I think that their fruit

00:54:46.980 also indicates that God is doing really, really incredible things through them.

00:55:04.120 All right. This is not an announcement. All I was going to say is that Mother's Day is coming up.

00:55:09.520 And if there are some related bros out there, I hope you didn't feel, I hope you didn't feel like I was

00:55:14.440 exercising too much authority over you. But I'm going to tell you what to do now. And I think it's

00:55:19.000 within my realm of authority. And that is that you should get your wife relatable gear. You should.

00:55:26.360 And even if she doesn't listen to this podcast, which she probably does, but even if she doesn't,

00:55:31.400 like, you should get her relatable gear and then she'll start listening to it. Be like,

00:55:35.520 I bought you this. You need to start listening to relatable. Get her corduroy hat. Get her crew

00:55:41.320 neck sweatshirt. I mean, it's about to be kind of hot, but she can wear it in the fall. We have a

00:55:44.420 lot of cute fall colors. We've got a lot of t-shirts. We've got a lot of totes. I use my tote

00:55:48.280 all the time. You can get a sticker, but you can use MOM10 for 10% off. MOM10. That's promo code

00:55:55.480 at AllieMerch.com. We'll put it in the description of this episode. You can click on it. AllieMerch.com.

00:56:03.520 Use code MOM10 for 10% off. Mother's Day is coming up. Related bros. Get the Related belt in your life.

00:56:10.260 Some relatable gear. All right. Do I have any more announcements for you? I don't think that I do.

00:56:16.100 Go back and listen to Rosario's episode if you haven't done that yet. She's amazing. And it's a

00:56:21.060 super, super encouraging episode. Okay. We've got a lot to talk about this week. Send me the stuff that

00:56:25.700 you want me to talk about if you haven't done that already. And I'll see you back here tomorrow.

00:56:28.420 We'll see you back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 01, 2023

Ep 797 ｜ Can Women Teach the Bible ... at All？

Episode Stats

Length

Words per Minute

Word Count

Sentence Count

Misogynist Sentences

Hate Speech Sentences

Summary

Transcript