Ep 798 ｜ America’s Sacrificing Orphans on the Altar of Transgenderism ｜ Guests： Jessica Bates & Christiana Kiefer
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A Christian single mom of five in Oregon is trying to adopt through the state s adoption process, but she has been rejected by the state because she will not go along with gender ideology. Now she is suing the state of Oregon, claiming that they are discriminating against her for her faith.
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A Christian single mom of five in Oregon is trying to adopt through the state's adoption
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process, but she has been rejected by the state because she will not go along with gender
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Now she is suing the state of Oregon, claiming that they are discriminating against her for
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I've got Jessica, the mom here, as well as her representation, Christiana from Alliance
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We are going to get into this and talk about why this matters and also the amazing things
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And then we're going to have a little bit of fun at the end of this.
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We're going to look at the ridiculousness at the Met Gala last night.
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We don't really care about it, but also it's just fun to make fun of these crazy people.
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Jessica, Christiana, thanks so much for joining me.
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You're suing the state of Oregon for denying you the opportunity to adopt children because
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you're not planning on complying with the state's policy to respect preferred pronouns
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Tell us how you started adopting children and how you started taking care of children
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who needed a home and needed love in the state of Oregon.
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A couple years ago, I was listening to a focus on the family broadcast as I was driving into
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work, and it was a single dad who had adopted a son out of foster care, and I kind of thought,
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And then it was not an audible voice, but it was really clear four words in my spirit just
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And, you know, trying not to crash, got into work and just kind of thinking about this and
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praying and felt like God was leading me to look into adopting.
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And that was a little over two years ago, I want to say.
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It's definitely been a little bit of a journey, but ended up looking into the state of Oregon.
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I had started, for whatever reason, looking internationally.
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And I have five children, and my husband was killed in a head-on collision about six years
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And so I kind of started just an open dialogue with the kids, see how they felt about it,
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And we felt like we would like to take in a sibling pair.
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So not just one child, but we felt like we could help two out.
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And this Columbia basically is kind of like, we can't really guarantee that we would adopt
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And it was going to be, you know, pretty expensive to get started through the agency I was looking
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And I think just to adopt internationally, it costs a fair amount.
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And so then I just kind of felt like, okay, maybe I just need to look right here in Oregon
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So in March of last year, of 2022, that's when I started looking into the states and starting
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their process and started applying and, you know, getting references and getting fingerprinted
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and going through some of their training and everything.
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And several years ago, you lost your husband in a tragic accident, right?
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I was so blessed with such a wonderful husband.
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And it's kind of funny because, you know, you look in hindsight, he and I, we had kind
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of talked about adopting a little bit, but just felt like, no, God's not really leading
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And I'm just with the history of losing him and all of that and just walking through that
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And I'm thankful because I felt like that was kind of God's mercy and just his timing.
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He knows when it's the right time for everything.
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And he was the manager of the radiology department where I work at in Ontario, where we both
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And so he was going to work at home that morning.
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And I had to be in for the early shift at 7 a.m.
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And so I kind of remember asking him, you know, which vehicle do you want me to drive?
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And he just, without hesitation, was like, I'm going to drive you into work.
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I'm going to get you there so make sure you get you there safe.
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And this man who had just brutally murdered his ex-wife was fleeing police and chose to
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And David veered to the right, right before impact.
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And so he ended up taking the brunt of it and was killed immediately.
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And you both have five biological children, right?
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Five biological children, you're left as a single mother.
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And I know maybe this doesn't seem like part of the story that's making the news, but just
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I mean, on this podcast, we love to see how God orchestrates people's testimonies, whether
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it's through tragedy or through loss or through hardship or through mistakes or whatever it
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And so tell us a little bit about just after that happened.
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I can't even imagine how you tell your young children something like that.
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But tell us a little bit what life was like after that.
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And then getting to the point of saying, I think I want to adopt more children.
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I mean, there's a lot that God would have had to do in that interim period.
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Well, definitely something like that will test your faith.
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And I love one of the analogies that my youth pastor used one Sunday sometime after Dave's
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passing was this story that there was a mom who was dying of cancer and she went out to
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And after the meal, they said, hang on to your fork because the best is yet to come.
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And just clinging to what the Bible promises us and what God says.
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And I have to confess, too, for that first year, a couple of years, I really got into apologetics.
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And that really encouraged me just to show how much evidence there is out there that what
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And it's not cleverly devised myths that we're following.
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And God has definitely been the one who has seen me through.
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And it does feel, when you have a loss like that, it does feel just like this void or this,
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you know, this surreal, kind of like a dream where you're waiting to wake up and it's really
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hard to believe it's real, probably for the first year or two even.
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And watching your children go through that, you know, I have two loving parents that I
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So my heart still aches for my kids not having their earthly dad here, but also just encouraging
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them in their faith that, you know, Jesus told us to pray, Father, He wants us to have
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that intimate relationship with God where He's the ultimate good Father.
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And then it's like, when He spoke those words to me, those are my children, it was in that
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And it's like, He let me just catch just the smallest glimpse of His heart for these kids
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And then thinking about these children that don't have really either parent or because
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of, you know, drug abuse or other issues, they can't have that healthy, solid, grounding
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It really makes you want to do something because even though we don't have a physical dad in
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this house right now, I feel like we have a really loving family.
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And I think the kids and I could give a family to some children who need it.
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It just goes to show God's power, His ability to make beauty out of the ashes, to redeem any
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I mean, if you think about not just that your husband tragically died, but how he died, there's
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an opportunity there for bitterness, for resentment, for anger, for unforgiveness, for that man
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who made an avoidable, I mean, choice to, you know, make a decision that then ended in the
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murder of the father of your children and your husband.
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And not only have you, I don't want to say moved on from that, but you have begun to heal
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from that by the power of God and then use your faith to then redeem the lives of other
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And so I guess about, it was four years after your husband died, I think if I have the math
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correct here, that you kind of, that you were listening to Focus on the Family and you were like,
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And then through the process realized you were going to go through the state of Oregon.
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Did you assume at that point when you were going to try to adopt a child or be a part of the foster
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care system that it would be pretty straightforward?
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Like you would just kind of apply and then you would be a part of the process?
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You know, I thought it would be pretty straightforward and I kind of thought that the biggest challenge
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would be like making sure I have all the carbon monoxide detectors and good grates across
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Like I thought it would be more stuff to like make sure the house is up to exact standards
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But I, I never would have dreamed it was going to go down this road.
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So tell us, tell us a little bit about the first speed bump.
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So you tried to become, was it a foster parent or adopt a specific child?
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Basically adopting not a specific child or anything.
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We hadn't met any siblings or anything just to adopt through the foster care system.
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So that was the first thing that you were trying to do.
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Tell me about the first speed bump when you realized, oh, this is not going to be smooth sailing.
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Well, so they have you take what's called a resource and adoptive families training, their
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And I took that back in June and definitely in July.
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And one of the topics that's basically a full unit in that training is what they call SOGI,
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which is sexual orientation and gender identity.
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And they emphasize that you have to respect, accept, and then support children if they don't
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have, um, if, if like, if a young man wants to transition and become a female, you're expected
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to take him for cross-sex hormone injections or for surgeries or for whatever step they're
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at or whatever thing it is that they're wanting to do.
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Um, you would be expected to take children to like gay pride parades or post certain flags
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You would have to, so you would have to not just call this like boy by his preferred pronouns
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so-called if he wanted to be a girl, but you would actually have to completely affirm and
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then go out of your way to celebrate this, you know, identity.
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Yeah, that's the thing that, and that's where I finished the training and then I emailed my
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certifier, um, in the beginning of August and let her know, Hey, you know, the training
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had a lot of really wonderful things that I'm using with my biological children right now,
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but this SOGI thing conflicts with my faith and I have very different views and convictions
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than this ideology that the state of Oregon is requiring, requiring me to do and to accept.
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And it took a while to hear back, but that was basically the first speed bump is getting
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through the training and then letting them know, Hey, I have conflict of conscience here.
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And what was their response when you said that?
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Well, it took about two months for them to respond.
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And my certifier ended up calling me and, um, kind of just walking through hypothetical
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And the one that she specifically brought up was, okay, well, you have a child in your care
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who would like to transition and needs to go have hormone shots.
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Will you drive this child to their hormone appointments?
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And I told her, no, I, I believe that our gender is something sacred.
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And not only that, I think I said, I, I think that's child abuse that it's just, yeah, you're
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not affirming a person for who they really are basically.
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And she basically said, well, we're basically going to pull your application and put it on
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If you change your mind, then we can put it back into circulation.
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And I, and I even said, so in the whole state of Oregon, you're telling me there's not
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a sibling pair that doesn't have gender confusion issues or gender dysphoria that we could take
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And she said, well, that's, that's not really the point because even if we did allow that
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years down the road, they could change their mind and, and develop these issues.
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And you're not going to be supportive in, you know, taking them to these appointments and
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So, so she basically let me know that it was basically going to be pulled and everything.
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And then about two months after that phone call, I got the official letter of denial from
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So you couldn't, they said, basically you don't qualify to adopt anyone, whether they're
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newborns, whether they're toddlers, whether they're 16 years old, you are not qualified
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because you don't agree with the state's radical view on this, on this idea that you can change
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your gender through hormone therapy or whatever it is.
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And, you know, they kind of make themselves sound like they're really inclusive.
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They're really diverse and they want everybody to be involved and have fair access, but not
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And if you won't, you know, in my case, if you won't violate your conscience to uphold the
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So a lot of people in your situation, I mean, you've been through a lot.
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You have a lot on your plate just as a mom of five children, a single mom of five children.
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So the fact that you not only wanted to adopt, but you wanted to adopt a sibling pair.
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But after this, I think a lot of people in your situation would have just said, thrown
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Like, when did you decide, OK, this is not right.
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I'm going to figure out how to fight back against this rejection.
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Yeah, pretty much after the well, after the phone call, I did ask for an explanation in
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print, you know, please of why I'm being denied.
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And I kind of started looking for help, basically, and ended up coming across the ADF and the
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And once I contacted them through just their online form, I want to say it was like a week
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They got right back to me and then they said, we're interested.
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And so I started, you know, giving them all the information and emails.
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And it was kind of funny because I'd been praying, you know, you're just troubled about
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I had a mentor kind of tell me she's adopted several children.
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And she kind of said, well, sometimes, you know, it's just tell them what they want to
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hear so that you can get kids out of the system, which I can understand.
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And like, the ultimate goal, yes, that's noble.
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But it just, I was just so upset, I guess, about it feeling it was so unjust that I didn't
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And I had been just praying for a sign of God's favor in all of this.
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And then that's shortly after I had started really praying that prayer.
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That's when ADF contacted me and started, you know, the process and saying, we're interested
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Okay, so you had kind of made this public or you had reached out to them, you said?
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And then, Christiana, tell me about this lawsuit.
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Does the state not have the right to say, okay, you can't adopt if you don't align with
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Well, the state of Oregon here is using an ideological litmus test, as Jessica explained.
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They basically welcome people from all cultural and religious backgrounds to adopt and to
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be able to adopt a child, be a welcoming and loving home for a child who is a good fit for
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that family, unless you disagree with the state's gender ideology.
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And they're barring incredible parents like Jessica out the door, simply because of her
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religious beliefs about marriage and about the human body.
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And so Alliance Defending Freedom is just privileged to represent Jessica.
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And we filed a federal lawsuit against the state of Oregon.
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And we've asked them to allow her to move forward with the adoption process while the
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case moves forward, because what they're doing here is just a clear violation of her First
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Amendment right to not only speak her religious convictions and to say true things, but also
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And so the lawsuit alleges that this is a violation of the First Amendment.
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And we're still waiting on the state of Oregon to respond.
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Is there anything that ADF tries to do to, like, speed things up, to get things going?
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Like, do you just repeatedly contact them or kind of what goes on?
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Yeah, so we filed a motion for what's called a preliminary injunction, which is basically saying
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the state of Oregon, what you're doing here is wrong.
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And you're hurting not just Jessica, but vulnerable children who need a forever home.
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Right now, there's an average of 8,000 children in Oregon's foster system who need a forever
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And so we're asking the court to put a pause on Oregon's unconstitutional policies while
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But I think the second big thing we're doing is just trying to amplify Jessica's voice.
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And she would make an incredible safe and loving home for a child in the state of Oregon.
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Unfortunately, what's happened to her is happening to other Christian families across the country.
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We're hearing more and more stories of families from other states who are experiencing similar
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discrimination from their state organizations and barring them at the door from even being able to foster
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or adopt a child who agrees with their religious convictions.
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We want to raise awareness about this and help Christian families recognize that what's happening
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And it's just fundamentally anti-truth as well as anti-First Amendment.
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I mean, the entire idea that a child can even change their gender or that that's a good thing
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or that that is so important to a child's well-being that it's actually better for them to stay in the
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foster care system than it would be for them to have a loving, secure and stable home where someone
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And if that family simply says, you know what, God put you in the body that he wanted you to be in,
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They want someone who says, no, I'm going to approve of maiming this body in the name of an
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It's it's it's really, really sad, even beyond just the constitutional problems with it,
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just the fundamentally moral and truth problems with it.
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There are several states that enact this kind of policy, and it probably goes unchallenged in a lot
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of cases, maybe because of what you said, Jessica, that some parents are just like, I'm just going to say
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I'm going to lie, which I agree with your reasoning that that's just not the route to go.
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Or they just after they're rejected, they just say, well, I guess there's nothing I can do.
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And they don't even realize that there is an avenue to push back on this because they don't
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realize it's a violation of the First Amendment.
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Christiana, what is the kind of euphemistic language that these more progressive states
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Are they saying it's like pro safety, anti-discrimination?
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Or how are they kind of casting their position?
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Well, the state of Oregon is casting it as supporting or accepting a child
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But I think you made such an important point earlier.
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This transgender ideology is not only wrong and false, but it's dangerous.
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What the state of Oregon is demanding that Jessica agree to ahead of time before any child is in the
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picture is that she would take them to receive dangerous puberty blockers and cross-sex
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hormones, potentially even life-altering surgeries, which just would, it's tragic what they're
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And so the ideology is not only wrong and false, but it is dangerous.
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And so that's why it's so important to have Christian families like Jessica and her children
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standing up and wanting to speak truth and love and accept a child for who they are and
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help them see the reality that they're created in God's image and that their biological sex is
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I mean, it's pretty incredible when you stop to think about what this story really represents,
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that there is a state in the United States of America in which faithful Christians cannot
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adopt because they will not agree to potentially one day allowing their adopted son or daughter
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to either be chemically castrated or to get a double mastectomy in the name of gender
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Like that ideology is so important to the people in charge.
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They're literally willing to risk a child's and adolescent's well-being on the altar of
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They're like, I can't believe this is happening.
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Whether they live in the state of Oregon or they live somewhere else.
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Is there anything that like my audience members can do to push this case along, to push back
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Well, first, I encourage you to share Jessica's story.
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You know, being aware that these types of cases exist and that there is an avenue to legally
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push back against government overreach and state forced ideology is the first step.
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Secondly, if you're aware of other Christian families or believers who have been discriminated
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against by state governments because they won't bow down to the government's gender
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Jessica, I'm so thankful that you are sharing your testimony.
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I mean, there's a, you know, Philippians 4.13 is very often overused and sometimes misused,
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that I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
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It's kind of something we grew up saying like before soccer games or something, but it's
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And I think that you and the way that the Lord has worked through you and worked through
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your perseverance is a real testimony to the truth of that verse, that looking at your
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adverse circumstances, anyone would have said, you know what?
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You don't need to worry about what God may be calling you to do or extra steps you need
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And yet through the power of Christ, you have persisted.
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And there are many, many reasons, many reasons, seen and unseen, known and unknown, why God
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But I have to think that this is one of them, that God, the God of redemption is bringing
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such beauty and such purpose out of a devastating situation that Satan meant exclusively for evil.
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So I just want to thank you for persisting and for using your testimony in a powerful way.
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Like we do not know how God is going to even use your beginning efforts right now to save
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and preserve the lives of other people, to bring people to himself.
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And so even if it seems like things are stalled or even if it seems like things aren't going
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your way right now, like I am very confident that the Lord is using this for his glory.
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And also ADF, Christiana, like I really believe y'all are doing the Lord's work by representing
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And Jessica, if there's anything else that you want to say that you want to end on, please
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Well, it's funny because when you live through something like, you know, after losing Dave
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and everything, part of you sometimes questions, you know, do I really have to be here, God?
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But that's been the prayer of my heart is, God, if you can still use me to help people
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to wake up to you and to know you and to come to salvation, okay, I'm all in.
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And one of the verses, I'm going to forget, I think it's Psalm 126 or 26 at the end, and
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But he says, I'm confident of this, that I will see the goodness of the Lord in the land
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Be strong and take heart and wait for the Lord.
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And so I feel like that's a piece of scripture that's been really meaningful, and I'm just
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I do encourage people to support ADF and to, if you've got a story similar to Jessica's,
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And thank you both for taking the time to come on.
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Okay, we're just going to quickly go through some of these outfits from the Met Gala last
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Brie, I don't even know what the Met Gala is, to be honest.
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What do they do after they walk the carpet and then go inside?
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Yeah, I think there's like a whole display of like the, I don't know, the outfits from
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So we've got Kim K and her servant in the background.
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I remember people were so mad because she was wearing Marilyn Monroe's dress like a few
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years ago and like ripped it, which is so disrespectful.
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From a, I mean, Met Gala is not about necessarily looking just like beautiful.
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It's about like meeting the theme and looking a little weird.
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So I have no idea if this is like an accurate representation.
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This is definitely not the worst I've seen her in.
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This is like a, this is a YouTuber who has become insanely famous.
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Her makeup is really dark compared to the light blue.
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He's wearing shorts, which no man should ever do.
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If you're not at the beach or pool after the age of 12.
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And someone, someone told him this would be a good idea.
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So for those of you who are listening, he's wearing a red and black combo, which again
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is like really only appropriate in certain cases.
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If you are Beelzebub is one of the circumstances, but he's wearing like crew socks, weird dress
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shoes, a red trench coat, black, like trouser shorts that are, I don't know, seven inches
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above his knee, red shirt, black tie, slicked back hair.
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I mean, he's a very, if I, if I can say just objectively speaking, a very attractive man,
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What do you think is most important to look at?
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No, you're probably mixing that up with someone else.
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But Kayla show the other picture because this looks normal until, until, until you see the
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He's got, he's wearing like a backwards necklace and like the back of his outfit is cut out.
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So two, it's in the two because the cut out in the back is so disgusting.
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I guess I was thinking of Doja Cat, bad bunny, same kind of deal.
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You're going to want to look close up at this one.
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So she has, okay, this, she got the same makeup artist that they use for Jumanji when the little
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So they like put on, I don't know, prosthetic nose and, and like upper lip so that she actually
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She's wearing cat ears, but they also made her face look like a cat.
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Karl Lagerfeld has a cat named Choupette and he left 1.3 million pounds in inheritance
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Who now lives in Paris and has a full-time housekeeper.
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It's kind of like, um, fabric put together with like expensive, um, safety pins.
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Is the black a part of her dress or is that someone else's dress behind her?
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Oh, that's a good, no, I think that's someone else behind her.
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I could be wrong, but I think she looks amazing.
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I mean, I don't like the safety pins, but I'll probably say a six just because she herself
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Is he the, is he being the cat that inherited the 1.3 million?
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Um, he's wearing like a bodysuit of a white cat.
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It looks, it looks like someone, like a sticker on the screen.
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And then he takes off the head of the suit and he gets a picture of himself.
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I kind of respect it because it's like low effort, you know?
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And maybe he's like kind of making a mockery of the whole thing.
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Lots of nonsense to put punctuation on our very serious and important episode.
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Just some unimportant things for your viewing, listening pleasure.