Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 813 ｜ Is Chick-fil-A Moving Left？ & Khloe Kardashian’s Surrogacy Confession

00:00:00.000 Well, Chick-fil-A is taking a big step to the left.

00:00:04.740 Also, Khloe Kardashian admits on television that using surrogacy to gestate and then birth her son

00:00:14.340 has actually made it really difficult to bond with him.

00:00:18.040 We will analyze this and talk about why that is on this episode of Relatable,

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00:00:40.240 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday.

00:00:44.280 Hope everyone had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend.

00:00:48.780 We have a lot to talk about, a lot to talk about today.

00:00:52.040 But first, just want to say how thankful I am for those who made the ultimate sacrifice on our behalf

00:00:58.280 so we could have the fun and free day that we had yesterday and have every day.

00:01:05.200 That, you know, it's kind of funny when people say, I have mixed feelings about this,

00:01:09.300 when people say happy Memorial Day.

00:01:11.720 Someone told me that the other day.

00:01:13.260 And on the one hand, I'm like, well, it's not really something that we're happy about.

00:01:17.360 Happy Memorial Day.

00:01:18.420 It's not like Merry Christmas or Happy Halloween or Happy July 4th.

00:01:23.580 I mean, we're talking about something very solemn and somber.

00:01:26.440 We are talking about human beings, image bearers of God who were killed for our freedom

00:01:32.480 so that they could secure the things that we hold dear today.

00:01:36.700 But at the same time, it is something that is worth celebration.

00:01:41.000 All of these freedoms that were died for and that were secured,

00:01:44.400 all of the pain and the loss that has been suffered on behalf of the United States,

00:01:49.900 it has allowed us to have a day of celebration.

00:01:53.560 And so it is a little bit of a mixture there.

00:01:57.160 It's a bittersweet day, I would say.

00:02:00.140 But I don't think that there should be any guilt either.

00:02:02.200 And having a day that's full of fun things like the lake and hamburgers and hot dogs

00:02:08.020 and time with family and all of that, I think that's also what it's for.

00:02:11.880 As long as we are continuing to remember, not just the sacrifices that those soldiers have made,

00:02:16.740 but also their families who are still reeling from and dealing with that pain today.

00:02:23.420 And so for me, I said, one, I'm just grateful still for those who are putting themselves

00:02:29.640 in the line of fire today who have not yet made that ultimate sacrifice, maybe never will.

00:02:34.380 But I'm also just in prayer for those families who still feel that hole in their heart,

00:02:41.080 still feel the impact of that loss.

00:02:43.720 I'm thankful also for the sacrifice that they have made for the country

00:02:48.260 in dealing with a kind of tragic pain that a lot of us just don't know.

00:02:54.340 Most of us have not had family members who have been service members who have died,

00:02:58.860 and so we can't really know what that's like.

00:03:00.120 But we can pray for them and support them as much as possible.

00:03:03.700 All right.

00:03:04.400 Over the weekend, we did have a we had a fun weekend yesterday.

00:03:07.600 We just chilled with our family, had some pool time, ate some good food.

00:03:12.540 And that was great because the couple of days before,

00:03:15.720 my husband and I went to the Indy 500 in Indianapolis, which was so fun.

00:03:20.740 We went with our Good Ranchers peeps, and they sponsored a car for Team Penske.

00:03:25.920 And this particular car did not win, but another Team Penske car did.

00:03:30.960 So that was fun.

00:03:32.000 We had a big celebration, met some cool people.

00:03:35.460 Very thankful to Good Ranchers for inviting my husband and me to go there.

00:03:40.080 Also, like one of the highlights of going to Indianapolis, I've only ever been twice,

00:03:45.100 is the airport.

00:03:46.380 It's a great airport.

00:03:47.520 If you guys follow me on Instagram, you know that I talk a lot about airports and air travel

00:03:52.740 and my rules for air travel attire and the different airports that are good.

00:03:58.080 Indianapolis, great, great airport.

00:04:00.320 Now, I will say that the food there, really at all airports, but I just really noticed it in Indianapolis,

00:04:06.980 the food in the airport is insanely expensive.

00:04:11.320 Insanely expensive.

00:04:12.360 Like, you could get a plain bagel at this place for however much it was, like $4 or something.

00:04:19.860 And then the little cream cheese that they give you and the little plastic things that a lot of places give you just for free,

00:04:28.620 two extra dollars.

00:04:30.420 Two extra dollars for the cream cheese.

00:04:32.700 So that's my only complaint, Indianapolis, is that your food there is expensive.

00:04:36.920 More expensive than necessary.

00:04:38.480 More expensive than usual.

00:04:39.820 But it's a beautiful airport.

00:04:41.360 It's very clean.

00:04:42.260 It's very broad.

00:04:42.860 It's not very crowded, which I appreciate.

00:04:45.360 It reminds me kind of of a bigger Greenville Spartanburg.

00:04:48.500 That's another great airport. 0.76

00:04:50.440 Charlotte, you're awful.

00:04:52.220 Worst airport, probably. 0.92

00:04:54.040 Charlotte, Orlando, Atlanta, Miami. 0.95

00:04:58.140 You're bad. 0.99

00:04:59.020 You're bad. 1.00

00:04:59.980 Now, people get offended when I say that about Atlanta. 0.91

00:05:03.540 I don't know what to tell you.

00:05:05.620 Hartsfield, Jackson, definitely one of the rings of Dante's Inferno.

00:05:11.000 It's just everything that really you don't want in an airport.

00:05:18.140 It's not the worst, though.

00:05:20.540 It's not the worst.

00:05:21.740 And I had you guys guess what is the worst airport, in my opinion.

00:05:25.340 And only a few of you got it right.

00:05:27.820 Only a few of you who are the most vigilant followers and fans and listeners.

00:05:32.580 And that is Orlando.

00:05:35.000 The least magical place on earth.

00:05:37.840 It's just a bad...

00:05:38.960 It's overcrowded.

00:05:40.260 But Charlotte is right up there. 1.00

00:05:41.820 Honestly, it's probably Orlando, then Charlotte, then Atlanta.

00:05:45.920 But there are a lot of ones I haven't been to.

00:05:47.940 I don't like either of the New York airports.

00:05:50.080 So, I mean, LAX obviously isn't fun either.

00:05:56.060 But I've never been to the Chicago airport.

00:05:58.620 A lot of people also say MSP is like the greatest airport.

00:06:01.540 I don't think I've ever flown into MSP.

00:06:03.800 Dallas Love Field, great airport.

00:06:07.080 These are all arbitrary, by the way.

00:06:09.420 They're just my personal opinion.

00:06:11.380 Please don't get offended.

00:06:12.300 I doubt any of you were the designer or architect for Hartsfield Jackson.

00:06:16.700 And yet some of the messages that I get, it's like I told you that your personal drawing was bad.

00:06:24.340 It's not personal.

00:06:25.780 These are just my opinion.

00:06:27.300 So anyway, Indianapolis.

00:06:29.740 You got a lot going for you.

00:06:31.560 Indy 500, one of them.

00:06:34.060 Airport, the other.

00:06:35.300 Indy 500, I didn't know what to expect.

00:06:37.880 I've never been to a race like that.

00:06:40.080 I went to school in South Carolina.

00:06:41.480 I went to a very, very interesting, more NASCAR-y, but like a couple steps down from NASCAR type race when I was in college.

00:06:53.420 Yeah, yeah.

00:06:54.800 I was just to let you like imagine what like small town South Carolina like dirt car racing would be like.

00:07:01.560 That was really the only experience of going to a race like that that I have. 1.00

00:07:05.900 I didn't, I had no idea really what the Indy 500 was going to be like, but it was really cool.

00:07:11.180 We got to like go down to the pit and see all that kind of cool stuff.

00:07:16.260 And so it was great.

00:07:17.380 The people watching, phenomenal.

00:07:20.020 I had no idea what to expect.

00:07:22.080 I wore like a sundress, which I thought would be the typical attire for people.

00:07:28.920 Not necessarily.

00:07:30.380 That's what I will say.

00:07:31.440 Not necessarily.

00:07:32.380 There is a very wide range of human beings that go to the Indy 500, and it was great people watching.

00:07:39.020 So thank you, Indianapolis, for a great time.

00:07:43.080 There's a lot of nice people there.

00:07:46.740 And yeah, so that was our weekend.

00:07:48.320 So my husband and I did that for a couple days.

00:07:50.460 It was fun to do that together.

00:07:52.940 And then, like I said, enjoyed yesterday.

00:07:56.860 All right.

00:07:57.680 Just one more bit of encouragement, and then we'll get into our first ad.

00:08:00.620 And then we'll talk about some of these stories.

00:08:02.520 Just to reiterate what I said on Instagram this morning.

00:08:05.660 And sometimes I like to start the week like this and just remind you as things just become

00:08:10.740 overwhelming and it seems like the darkness is winning.

00:08:14.140 Here's what I read.

00:08:14.860 And I've read this on the podcast many times before, especially when it feels like we're

00:08:20.480 just going through very tumultuous moments, which seems to be always in our culture.

00:08:26.040 But I read Psalm 62.

00:08:29.400 And what I love about Psalm 62, I really love the whole thing.

00:08:32.860 I love being reminded of God's total sovereignty.

00:08:35.980 But this is also a good reminder.

00:08:38.060 Psalm 62, 11.

00:08:40.520 Once God has spoken, twice have I heard this, that power belongs.

00:08:44.860 To God, and that to you, O Lord, belongs steadfast love.

00:08:50.260 Twice I have heard this, that power belongs to God.

00:08:54.920 I love that reminder.

00:08:56.420 And as we've gone back to Matthew 28 a few times over the past couple of weeks, when Jesus

00:09:00.700 says, go and make disciples of all nations, because all authority in heaven and on earth

00:09:09.040 has been given to him.

00:09:11.500 Let us remember who is in charge.

00:09:13.080 Let us remember who created the universe.

00:09:18.040 Therefore, who is the definer of all things, who is the ultimate ruler of all things.

00:09:24.140 Everything is under him.

00:09:26.640 Let's remember who is in charge.

00:09:28.920 This is our Father's world.

00:09:31.400 That's my favorite hymn, because that is a reminder that I need to bring peace to my heart

00:09:36.920 and my nervous system on a daily basis.

00:09:39.540 That God's eternal plan of redemption always is going off without a hitch.

00:09:45.080 That there's nothing that surprises him.

00:09:47.040 There's nothing that throws him off.

00:09:49.080 There's nothing that takes him aback.

00:09:51.040 There's nothing that happens that makes him look down and say, oh my goodness, I didn't

00:09:55.800 see this coming.

00:09:56.620 How am I going to swoop in and clean this up?

00:09:59.680 That's not how he functions.

00:10:01.240 That's not his character.

00:10:02.440 That's not his nature.

00:10:04.060 He exists outside of time.

00:10:06.260 He is ultimately sovereign over all of it.

00:10:08.780 And even though things happen that we don't understand, both in our personal lives and in

00:10:13.320 the political sphere, both in our small communities or in our families, in our homes, or in the

00:10:20.440 world in general, he is on his throne completely immovably.

00:10:27.440 And he will one day take care of evil and wickedness and sorrow and sin that you are personally

00:10:35.780 experiencing, but also that the world and its groaning is also experiencing.

00:10:40.660 And he will rule in perfect peace and we will have no more worry.

00:10:45.340 We will have no more anxieties.

00:10:47.080 We will have no more burdens.

00:10:48.620 We will have no more temptations.

00:10:50.780 That is the hope that we have.

00:10:52.800 That's what we get to look forward to.

00:10:55.100 And if God is on our side, as the end of Romans 8 lays out so beautifully, who are we

00:11:01.960 afraid of?

00:11:02.680 That's a paraphrase.

00:11:04.020 Who can be against us?

00:11:05.700 For who can bring any charge against God's elect?

00:11:08.460 What can separate us from the love of Christ?

00:11:11.580 Nothing.

00:11:12.280 In him, we are more than conquerors through Christ Jesus, who loves us.

00:11:18.240 I love what William Tyndale said.

00:11:19.740 I've also read this quote a few times on this podcast.

00:11:23.340 I don't have it right in front of me, but I think I have it almost verbatim.

00:11:27.320 And that is,

00:11:27.860 If Christ is with us until the world's end, let his little flock be bold.

00:11:34.520 Therefore, what difference does it make?

00:11:37.100 This part is a paraphrase.

00:11:38.880 What difference does it make?

00:11:39.900 Who is against us?

00:11:41.140 Who is against us if Christ is for us?

00:11:43.700 And again, that's what Jesus tells us in Matthew 28.

00:11:47.920 For behold, I am with you always, even until the end of the age.

00:11:52.200 That should be so empowering and so emboldening that we have the right and the responsibility

00:11:57.920 and even just the presence of the Holy Spirit with us to strengthen us in all things.

00:12:04.040 So let that be the hope that we cling to.

00:12:06.920 Let that be what drives us forth every second of every day to do the next right thing in faith

00:12:11.780 with excellence and for the glory of God.

00:12:13.500 All right, speaking of Christianity and Christ, Christian Chicken from Chick-fil-A is disappointing 0.96

00:12:22.820 us.

00:12:23.500 It's disappointing us this Tuesday morning.

00:12:37.980 Okay, let's talk about Chick-fil-A and the craziness that they're getting.

00:12:43.500 So you might have seen this this morning.

00:12:48.600 I saw these posts circulating.

00:12:50.300 This is not originally what I intended to talk about.

00:12:53.280 We're going to talk about the things that I did intend to talk about.

00:12:56.600 But I wanted to first address this because I'm seeing a lot of complaints circulating about

00:13:04.780 Chick-fil-A's DEI, diversity, equity, and inclusion hire.

00:13:10.900 Here is the statement that you see a lot of Christian conservatives, I think, rightly complaining 1.00

00:13:17.580 about on social media.

00:13:19.580 Eric McReynolds is the VP of diversity, equity, and inclusion at Chick-fil-A.

00:13:25.900 Chick-fil-A restaurants have long been recognized as a place where people know they will be treated

00:13:31.040 well.

00:13:31.980 Modeling care for others starts in the restaurant, and we are committed to ensuring mutual respect,

00:13:35.980 understanding, and dignity everywhere we do business.

00:13:40.260 These tenets are good business practice and crucial to fulfilling our corporate purpose.

00:13:44.400 Now, I don't disagree with any of that.

00:13:47.260 Of course, that has always been Chick-fil-A's motto.

00:13:50.080 That's the difference maker with Chick-fil-A is that you show up there, you're going to get

00:13:53.600 a smiling face that seems like they really want to be there.

00:13:56.640 They not only want to do their jobs, but they want to do their jobs well, and they go above

00:14:02.000 and beyond what is required of them in a lot of cases to ensure that they are serving their

00:14:07.380 customers well.

00:14:08.640 And in an age when it seems like customer relations, customer service, good attitudes, hard work

00:14:15.020 ethic have all kind of been thrown out the window in favor of just kind of this malaise that

00:14:21.640 has taken over our society, Chick-fil-A still goes above and beyond.

00:14:25.760 And that's why people go there, despite saying a couple of years ago that they were going

00:14:30.480 to boycott because Chick-fil-A wasn't on board with the pride stuff. 1.00

00:14:34.300 Now, you'll remember back in 2012, Chick-fil-A got in hot water because the president of Chick-fil-A,

00:14:41.500 Dan Cathy, this is according to CNN, he sparked reactions that were swift and strong after

00:14:47.380 he weighed in on same-sex marriage by saying his company backs the traditional family unit.

00:14:52.500 And then they still supported these Christian organizations over the years, like Fellowship

00:14:58.600 of Christian Athletes that supported or that still support traditional marriage, biblical

00:15:05.320 marriage.

00:15:06.540 And so even though there has never been any evidence whatsoever of discrimination by Chick-fil-A,

00:15:11.220 even though they have never come out and said really anything clearer than that about biblical

00:15:16.140 marriage or what they think about gender and so-called sexual orientation and things, simply

00:15:20.660 because they have not been overtly celebratory of pride and they haven't done all of the

00:15:28.060 virtue signaling that we typically see major corporations do in the way of supporting transgenderism

00:15:35.740 and things like that, they have gotten a lot of backlash.

00:15:41.340 You'll remember even like a couple of years ago, or maybe it was last year, there was like

00:15:45.200 renewed hate toward them.

00:15:46.720 And every time they try to build a Chick-fil-A, one of these liberal places, even though they

00:15:51.260 do really well, there's some kind of uproar from liberals who pretend like Chick-fil-A is

00:15:56.500 immoral for not celebrating chemically castrating kids.

00:16:01.500 So anyway, I agree with Eric McReynolds's statement here on Chick-fil-A having been recognized

00:16:09.880 as a place that respects people.

00:16:11.840 Of course, the question is, why does the VP of DEI need to say, what does that have to

00:16:18.100 do with DEI?

00:16:19.860 If we're talking about just treating everyone well and treating everyone equally, well, Chick-fil-A

00:16:24.820 has always done that.

00:16:26.460 They've always gone above and beyond.

00:16:28.400 So why do we need a DEI department saying something like this?

00:16:32.760 So here's more from Chick-fil-A's DEI webpage.

00:16:36.680 One of our core values at Chick-fil-A Inc. is that we are better together.

00:16:40.820 When we combine our unique backgrounds and experiences with a culture of belonging, euphemism

00:16:46.340 after euphemism after euphemism, we can discover new ways to strengthen the quality of care we

00:16:51.880 deliver to customers, to the communities we serve, and to the world.

00:16:55.920 We understand that getting better at together, better at together, okay, means we learn better,

00:17:03.080 care better, grow better, and serve better.

00:17:04.820 Chick-fil-A Inc.'s commitment to being better at together means embedding diversity, equity,

00:17:11.660 and inclusion in everything we do.

00:17:13.560 To achieve this, we focus on ensuring equal access.

00:17:17.160 We intentionally promote equal opportunity through our processes and practices.

00:17:21.340 We strive to provide personalized development and eliminate barriers to opportunities so all

00:17:26.280 can thrive.

00:17:27.440 Valuing differences.

00:17:28.840 Our similarities and differences strengthen us as we unite around something bigger than ourselves.

00:17:32.900 We seek to understand and honor our unique experiences and perspectives, creating a culture

00:17:36.720 of belonging.

00:17:37.740 We inspire our community by meeting people where they are.

00:17:41.100 We promote and sustain a culture where all individuals can thrive and contribute to their

00:17:44.240 personal best commitment and action throughout our business, recruiting top-tier talent, providing

00:17:48.460 access to education, scholarships for certain employees, engaging through Chick-fil-A community

00:17:54.340 groups.

00:17:55.160 A wide range of community groups are available to staff such as Women in Business, Black Employee

00:18:00.660 Resource Group, Young Professionals, and the Chick-fil-A Green Team.

00:18:07.180 All right.

00:18:07.620 So you'll notice that all of that sounds fine and dandy.

00:18:11.660 You'll find the same kind of statements at Target, by the way.

00:18:14.160 You'll find the same kind of statements at all of these very overtly liberal places who over

00:18:20.440 the years have turned their trickle of progressivism into a full-blown waterfall because this is

00:18:28.280 how it starts.

00:18:29.100 And the strategy of making DEI sound totally innocuous and like something that any normal,

00:18:38.420 moral, empathetic person would accept and celebrate is very strategic.

00:18:44.240 We're not supposed to read something like this and know exactly what they mean.

00:18:49.240 We're not supposed to understand what the policies will be behind these things.

00:18:54.320 When they talk about equal opportunity, when they talk about creating an environment in which

00:18:59.440 everyone can thrive, we should just ask ourselves, but what do you mean by that?

00:19:03.960 And are you saying that thus far you have it?

00:19:06.400 Because as far as I know, Chick-fil-A has been for a very long time in general, I'm sure that

00:19:11.900 there are anomalies here, a really good place for all people of all different backgrounds

00:19:17.200 to work.

00:19:17.740 I know people that have worked.

00:19:19.480 I know people who work at corporate.

00:19:20.840 I know people who work in like the managerial part of different stores.

00:19:24.560 I know people who have just worked there like in the drive-thru, all different kinds of people

00:19:29.240 who have all loved working for Chick-fil-A.

00:19:31.920 And so if they already had a system in place where they were recruiting top talent, that's

00:19:37.800 obvious.

00:19:38.360 You have to have a good attitude and be a very competent worker to work at any place or

00:19:43.620 any part of Chick-fil-A.

00:19:46.220 And they already created a place in which people felt included.

00:19:50.180 People felt like they were respected, like their dignity was honored.

00:19:53.720 Then what is this about?

00:19:55.600 What are you talking about when you're creating an environment now in which everyone can thrive?

00:20:00.260 What are you talking about when you're talking about these community groups?

00:20:03.340 What are you talking about when you're talking about equal opportunity?

00:20:06.280 Well, if we look at the DEI policies that are implemented by the companies that aren't

00:20:11.300 afraid to just come out and what that means, they mean the kind of so-called anti-racism that

00:20:17.900 has been championed by people like Ibram X.

00:20:21.100 Kendi, who famously or infamously said that the remedy for past discrimination is present

00:20:27.520 in future discrimination.

00:20:28.800 What is meant by that is that because Black people and certain kinds of people were once

00:20:34.420 discriminated against in the past, that now we must discriminate against non-Black people,

00:20:41.000 white people, in order to try to even the playing field. 0.53

00:20:45.360 Now, is Chick-fil-A going to start doing the same thing that, say, Target and Starbucks

00:20:49.200 do, which is paying for their employees to receive these kinds of sex switching surgeries

00:20:57.640 and go through these kinds of procedures?

00:20:59.580 I don't see how they stop themselves from doing that.

00:21:02.820 I mean, once you start embracing DEI, under this umbrella is the affirmation of all kinds of

00:21:11.300 secular definitions of sexuality, of morality, of gender, of social justice, racial justice,

00:21:19.820 identity.

00:21:20.340 All of these things are under diversity, equity, and inclusion.

00:21:24.600 Remember, the progressive idea of diversity is fewer white people.

00:21:30.240 The progressive definition of equity is discriminating against white people. 0.93

00:21:36.020 The progressive definition of inclusion is excluding white people. 0.76

00:21:40.460 That's what it is.

00:21:42.860 And so if you really believe in equal opportunity, if you just believe that, hey, these are the

00:21:46.960 standards that we are setting, and you have to reach these standards to be hired by us as

00:21:54.120 Chick-fil-A, you don't need a diversity, equity, and inclusion bridge.

00:21:59.440 Trust me when I say that.

00:22:01.920 I mean, Chick-fil-A being in the South, being where it is, being headquartered in Atlanta,

00:22:06.000 like, they do not have a problem meeting racial quotas, all right?

00:22:10.360 Like, actually, in some of these places, you're not going to find a whole lot of, you're not

00:22:13.920 going to find a whole lot of white people just because of the communities where the Chick-fil-A's 0.97

00:22:17.320 are in.

00:22:17.680 So again, I'm asking, why is this necessary unless you are trying to push some kind of

00:22:24.760 very progressive agenda, especially when it comes to so-called LGBTQ?

00:22:30.520 Is this how they are trying to rectify their past, quote-unquote, mistakes?

00:22:36.000 Because when it comes to that, I mean, that is even like a whole different ballgame.

00:22:41.560 Are we going to see Chick-fil-A start openly, like Chick-fil-A corporate, openly celebrating

00:22:47.420 pride now?

00:22:49.020 Are they going to be falling prey to this pressure?

00:22:52.680 You'll remember a couple of years ago when there was a renewed uproar about them supporting

00:22:57.040 these Christian organizations that upheld the tenets of biblical marriage, that their sales

00:23:02.260 actually doubled.

00:23:03.100 After people called to boycott them in 2012, their sales actually increased because people

00:23:10.180 love to support organizations and people that support their values.

00:23:15.560 There's a lot of buying power in the hands of Southern Christian conservatives.

00:23:22.020 Know your audience.

00:23:23.440 And so the question is, as with Target 2, why?

00:23:27.380 Why is Chick-fil-A doing this?

00:23:30.340 Why are they going in this direction, which I promise you, unless they stop, unless someone

00:23:35.540 pumps the brakes, I promise you will go in the direction of complete and total institutional

00:23:41.000 capture.

00:23:41.940 It will be totally and completely secular progressive.

00:23:45.840 At one point, there will be a huge celebration of all so-called gender identities and sexualities

00:23:53.800 and all of that in just a couple of years if it keeps going this way.

00:23:57.520 I promise you that.

00:23:59.340 So why?

00:24:00.640 They know their audience.

00:24:02.460 They know where their stores are.

00:24:04.020 What's happening behind the scenes?

00:24:05.720 Well, it's something that we've talked about several times before, and I've just about had

00:24:09.460 it with people who are messaging me, commenting to me, being like, why don't you ever talk about

00:24:14.960 why these things are happening?

00:24:17.020 Don't just talk about what's happening at Target and Chick-fil-A.

00:24:19.580 Like, why is it happening?

00:24:20.640 Talk about CEI.

00:24:22.200 Talk about DE or talk about ESG.

00:24:25.020 Guys, like we have talked about that so much on this podcast, thanks to brilliant people

00:24:29.120 who have come on the show and explained it to me and kind of peeled back the curtain so

00:24:34.280 we can actually see what's going on.

00:24:36.000 But I really recommend you going and listening to a conversation that I had with James Lindsay

00:24:41.060 a few weeks ago where he talked about why is Bud Light doing this with Dylan Mulvaney?

00:24:46.220 Why are they hoisting up Dylan Mulvaney when they know that the Southern frat guy, the

00:24:51.320 people who go to NASCAR races, that's their demographic.

00:24:54.620 They don't want to see a guy who thinks he's a girl with his face on a Bud Light can drinking

00:24:59.740 Bud Light in a bathtub.

00:25:01.700 They don't want that. 0.99

00:25:03.000 They think, oh, that's gay. 0.88

00:25:04.720 I'm not going to be seen with a Bud Light.

00:25:07.060 By the way, at the Indy 500, you can bring your own drinks in.

00:25:10.080 I did not see a single Bud Light in the entire place.

00:25:13.980 And again, I think that there's a reason for that.

00:25:15.700 So the question is, why?

00:25:17.240 Target, you know that you've got a ton of Christian conservative moms. 1.00

00:25:22.300 You know, we're the ones going in there, buying Magnolia, buying the honest diapers,

00:25:27.500 buying the affordable maternity items and the clothes and things like that, the shoes.

00:25:33.020 And then you've got other companies doing the same thing.

00:25:35.300 It's like, don't you know your customers?

00:25:36.920 Why would you do this, Adidas?

00:25:38.200 Why would you put a man with a bulge in a women's bathing suit? 0.99

00:25:42.920 It's because they are not beholden to us.

00:25:46.920 It's because they're not beholden to us.

00:25:49.360 Go back and listen to that James Lindsay episode and you can hear him more thoroughly explain it.

00:25:53.380 Maybe we'll have him back on soon so he can explain it again and talk specifically about

00:25:57.160 Target and Chick-fil-A and things like that.

00:25:58.740 But it's not just the ESG score that we've talked about, the environmental social governance that

00:26:05.420 really comes from the World Economic Forum.

00:26:07.780 Justin Haskins has come on the show several times and explained what that is and how these

00:26:12.320 major global companies like BlackRock, they take large ownership in a lot of these corporations.

00:26:18.180 And basically, I mean, as a shareholder, make these companies abide by the ESG standards.

00:26:27.220 But it's also the CEI standards.

00:26:30.360 And that is the Corporate Equality Index that is given by the Human Rights Campaign.

00:26:39.020 And they score these companies based on how, quote unquote, diverse they are, how many initiatives

00:26:46.160 they are putting forward to be, quote unquote, inclusive.

00:26:49.320 Again, that means celebrating LGBTQ.

00:26:52.080 That means fewer straight white males.

00:26:54.600 It's basically what it means.

00:26:56.120 And these companies, because of the power of their shareholders, because of these big global

00:27:04.040 corporate investors who own Target and who own some of these other corporations, these

00:27:10.680 companies care more like Target and Bud Light.

00:27:14.560 They care more about their CEI score, about their ESG score, which is always going to be progressive

00:27:21.800 than they do about your or my opinion.

00:27:25.040 They are not beholden to us.

00:27:27.440 They are beholden to their CEI score.

00:27:29.700 They are beholden to their ESG score.

00:27:32.560 There is more power in BlackRock and Vanguard than there is in our hands, at least thus far.

00:27:41.880 And yet, I think that there is an amount of power that we can wield that can make a difference.

00:27:53.440 I do.

00:27:54.320 Because you're seeing Bud Light take a really big hit, a sustained hit for several weeks

00:28:00.720 that thankfully, successfully, now I don't drink Bud Light and I mean, I'm pregnant, but

00:28:06.540 I still wouldn't.

00:28:08.160 But the people who do drink Bud Light is just like the easy drinking, you know, beer to have

00:28:13.220 at frat parties or bars or whatever.

00:28:15.160 The fact that they have now boycotted and successfully created a stigma to where they're like, nope,

00:28:21.360 I'm sorry, but I don't want to have the trans beer. 1.00

00:28:25.660 You can be offended by that if you want to.

00:28:27.880 But that's what's happened, that there's such a stigma around it.

00:28:30.700 It's become such a thing both on and offline that they have taken a sustained hit to the

00:28:36.380 point to where I actually do think Bud Light, despite what their shareholders might say,

00:28:40.700 despite what the Human Rights Council might say, they probably are a little worried right

00:28:46.040 now.

00:28:47.000 They're probably wondering how are they going to win back these people that we've really

00:28:52.440 pissed off.

00:28:53.260 And I hope that they can't.

00:28:54.620 I hope that they don't.

00:28:56.240 Because so many times conservatives say, go woke, go broke.

00:28:59.060 And like, we don't really mean it.

00:29:01.120 Like there's nothing that's really done about anything.

00:29:05.020 It's like a few people that boycott.

00:29:07.300 But now with Bud Light and then using that momentum to then Bud Light or to then divest

00:29:12.640 from Target, I do think that it can absolutely make a difference.

00:29:16.800 I mean, here's something that I read from about Target.

00:29:20.200 The Target loses, has lost $10 billion, probably more now.

00:29:23.720 This is a little old, over pride-themed kids' clothing.

00:29:26.560 Um, so they have obviously taken a hit and they've had to say, oh, you know, we're moving

00:29:34.380 our pride sections to the back or we're diminishing our pride sections.

00:29:37.680 And now they've said it's for the safety of their employees.

00:29:40.700 I don't know if that's true or not, but that's what they're, that's what they're saying.

00:29:45.520 They're saying that there have been threats and things like that.

00:29:47.740 And that this is just, uh, it's the result of extremism.

00:29:51.400 And then you've got people on the left saying, oh, poor Target, blah, blah, blah.

00:29:54.340 Do you remember at all the videos of the looting of Targets during the George Floyd riots?

00:30:02.320 Like, do you remember everything that happened?

00:30:04.860 If we have some pictures or some silent footage, maybe we can put it up on YouTube.

00:30:10.060 But do you remember how those stores were absolutely ransacked by rioters after George Floyd in

00:30:20.260 the summer of 2020 and onward?

00:30:21.840 And I didn't see any statement from Target saying we denounce this.

00:30:26.660 I didn't see any statement from Target internal or external saying, wow, we really care about

00:30:31.620 the safety and the well-being of our employees.

00:30:34.060 And this is not right.

00:30:35.560 We shouldn't have this kind of violence.

00:30:37.680 The ransacking to Target isn't going to do anything about allegations of police brutality

00:30:43.360 or bring George Floyd back or anything like that.

00:30:46.120 Like, and the left wasn't freaking out about it.

00:30:48.520 They weren't saying, oh, poor Target, poor Target employees.

00:30:52.060 No, they were saying Targets, places like Target have insurance.

00:30:54.620 Who cares about those big corporations? 0.70

00:30:56.320 But now the big corporation is the victim because people are mad that they're selling

00:31:00.520 compression tops and talking bathing suits and trans onesies.

00:31:06.660 And are partnering with open Satanists.

00:31:12.980 Yeah, I don't buy it.

00:31:14.720 I don't buy it.

00:31:16.280 I'm sorry.

00:31:17.300 The duplicity here is just a little bit, a little bit much for me.

00:31:22.800 But I do think that the boycott of Target starting now, at least through the month of June.

00:31:30.860 And I know people are mad at me about that, saying that's a weak stance as a weak stance.

00:31:35.860 Look, I know my audience.

00:31:36.780 OK, and you don't you don't you don't know.

00:31:40.100 I promise you that me encouraging the people who listen to this to at least do the month

00:31:45.460 of June is more effective than everyone's saying boycott forever.

00:31:51.900 I'm not saying it's wrong to say boycott forever, because I am also saying that if

00:31:55.000 you can boycott forever, boycott forever.

00:31:56.760 I have you can't everyone can.

00:31:58.880 I know.

00:31:59.440 But for some people, for the people who just think that they can't do that, just saying

00:32:04.400 the month of June, that's better than nothing, right?

00:32:07.080 It's better than nothing.

00:32:08.160 So it's OK if people just commit to the month of June.

00:32:11.660 And then, as I said, see how long you can go after that.

00:32:14.720 Take it a week at a time.

00:32:15.760 I promise you, you can do it forever.

00:32:17.560 But at least commit to the month of June and make them feel it.

00:32:23.480 Because, yes, shareholders, C-E-I-E-S-G-D-E-I, they all hold a lot of power.

00:32:29.880 But we still do have some power.

00:32:33.240 And if you go to publicsquare.com, if you download the Public Square app, spell public

00:32:38.460 S-Q, you can find all kinds of alternative companies that you can use for diapers, for household

00:32:44.340 items, for clothes and things like that, that at least for a month can help you not shop

00:32:50.740 at Target.

00:32:51.320 You realize how much you don't even need.

00:32:53.500 And I don't know if we're going to have to do the same thing for Chick-fil-A.

00:32:57.260 I hope not.

00:32:57.940 I love Chick-fil-A.

00:32:59.140 I love it.

00:32:59.760 I love their food.

00:33:00.560 I love the people that work there.

00:33:03.780 But look, we have a ton of power when it comes to Chick-fil-A.

00:33:08.780 I don't think they're quite as beholden to the corporate overlords yet.

00:33:13.600 I don't think that they are all in on the DEI LGBTQ stuff yet.

00:33:20.960 I think that we still can raise a respectful ruckus when it comes to any Chick-fil-A policy

00:33:29.840 that we see.

00:33:31.160 And I still think that we as Christian women hold almost all the power when it comes to 1.00

00:33:37.860 Chick-fil-A.

00:33:39.940 And just a reminder about what DEI is.

00:33:44.800 This is according to the Heritage Foundation.

00:33:47.380 Just as with the Black Lives Matter movement, left is hide behind the simple nature of the 1.00

00:33:51.400 words diversity, equity and inclusion.

00:33:53.660 In reality, each of these words means the opposite of what we think.

00:33:56.620 And vast diversity has come to mean identity-based approach to society and racial quotas.

00:34:00.560 At worst, it is a rigid enforcement of leftist orthodoxy.

00:34:04.660 So it's basically hiring based on someone's skin color saying, OK, we need 10 black people

00:34:09.480 and seven white people and six Asian people and seven Hispanic people.

00:34:13.420 We got to meet these quotas.

00:34:15.500 And if that means that we need to lower the standards of hiring to meet those quotas for

00:34:20.760 certain people, then that's what we're going to do.

00:34:22.840 That's what we're seeing across the board.

00:34:24.080 That's what we're seeing when it comes to college admissions and have for a long time.

00:34:27.220 That's what we're seeing when it comes to medical school.

00:34:29.360 That's what we're seeing when it comes to so-called criminal justice, making sure that

00:34:34.700 there are fewer black people arrested no matter what crimes are committed.

00:34:38.400 So it has terrible, terrible implications.

00:34:40.880 And it's also, as my friend Daryl Harrison said, committing the sin of partiality.

00:34:44.880 And for a company that claims in its statement to want to glorify God by being a faithful steward

00:34:50.920 of all that is entrusted to them, committing the sin of partiality.

00:34:54.280 So hiring someone or giving privileges or special access to someone based on their skin color

00:35:00.440 is actually a sin.

00:35:02.320 It is a sin, according to God, who says over and over again in scripture that he hates

00:35:06.280 partiality.

00:35:07.700 James, the book of James, I believe it's James 3.

00:35:10.000 At the end of James 3, he talks about the sin of partiality.

00:35:14.400 God says when he's giving his laws to Israel, do not defer to the poor or to the great in a

00:35:19.700 lawsuit, but in truth, judge your neighbor.

00:35:22.340 God hates partiality, whether you are being partial to the white person, to the black person,

00:35:27.380 or whatever.

00:35:30.300 And then Heritage goes on to explain that inclusion is a call for language codes because

00:35:35.880 it demands that people only use inclusive language as defined by the left.

00:35:39.500 So using, quote unquote, preferred pronouns.

00:35:42.000 I guarantee you that's part of what they mean, what Chick-fil-A means when they are talking

00:35:46.760 about creating an environment in which everyone can thrive.

00:35:53.400 I guarantee part of it is going to be policing language and requiring employees, managers to

00:35:58.680 use the pronouns that someone says that they have, even if it doesn't correspond with biological

00:36:04.120 sex, which of course is committing another sin because you are forcing people to lie. 0.56

00:36:09.160 I don't know if that's where they're going, but again, that is the clear implication from

00:36:14.840 the policies that are set forth.

00:36:17.260 And then equity, perhaps the worst distortion of the three has come to mean that the government

00:36:21.660 must treat people differently because of their race, country of origin, or other immutable

00:36:26.300 characteristics.

00:36:27.140 The goal is to guarantee inequality of outcomes, which used to be the Marxist goal, not the

00:36:32.340 American one.

00:36:34.800 And so, and this, of course, is what we've seen, again, across the board when it comes to

00:36:38.400 corporate America.

00:36:39.280 So, Chick-fil-A, what are you going to do?

00:36:53.160 All right.

00:36:54.160 So, I want to talk a little bit more about this Khloe Kardashian story.

00:36:59.600 She said on a recent episode of Keeping Up with the Kardashians, is that still what it's

00:37:05.500 called?

00:37:06.520 I think it's still called Keeping Up with the Kardashians.

00:37:10.020 It's just called the Kardashians now.

00:37:12.200 I do not, I did not realize that.

00:37:14.560 But you've probably seen this clip circulating where she's talking about using surrogacy for 0.99

00:37:20.160 her last child for her son and how that's created a big disconnect between her and her

00:37:27.260 child.

00:37:27.780 So, here she is.

00:37:28.460 Do you feel less connected?

00:37:31.220 Mm-hmm.

00:37:32.460 That'll take a minute.

00:37:34.580 Yeah, people say it will take a minute.

00:37:35.500 I mean, listen, the other was 10 months of walking around.

00:37:38.680 Hers was quickly like, easy.

00:37:39.760 This is not easy.

00:37:40.740 I felt really guilty that like this woman just had my baby and you're just, I take the 1.00

00:37:46.360 baby and then I go to another room and you're sort of separated.

00:37:49.080 Like, I felt it's such a transactional experience.

00:37:53.000 You know, I really appreciate her honesty when it comes to this.

00:37:57.960 Most people will not be honest.

00:38:00.300 Now, I've seen a lot of Christians, a lot of conservative commentators comment on this

00:38:04.740 and I praise God for that because this conversation about surrogacy and about the questionable ethics

00:38:11.540 of surrogacy was not happening.

00:38:14.700 It was not happening a couple years ago.

00:38:17.100 And I know this because I talked to, I think it was the beginning of 2021, I think, when

00:38:23.960 I first talked to Jennifer Law, who has been studying the bioethics of surrogacy, talking

00:38:28.860 about it and of the reproductive industry, IVF, all of that, for a very long time, for

00:38:35.340 decades at this point.

00:38:36.740 And I don't know where I found her.

00:38:38.260 I think I saw her first maybe on Twitter.

00:38:40.100 And so, I had her on at the beginning of January.

00:38:42.780 It was so fascinating to you guys talking about the ethics of IVF and so-called sperm

00:38:47.700 donation and egg donation, which is really sperm selling and egg selling.

00:38:53.440 It was so fascinating to y'all that I had to have her back on like immediately because

00:38:57.920 y'all were demanding a part two.

00:39:00.360 And those are still some of my two most popular episodes ever.

00:39:03.820 I've had her on talk about other things since then.

00:39:07.240 And so, I certainly cannot take credit for being the first one to talk about it.

00:39:11.640 She and then also the founder of Them Before Us, Katie Faust, have been talking about these

00:39:16.800 things for a long time.

00:39:17.940 But I will say that when I had Jennifer Law on, which unfortunately, a lot of people didn't

00:39:23.680 know who she was at the time, even though she's been such a loud voice and a hard worker

00:39:28.160 on this for so long, I got a lot of negative feedback.

00:39:33.640 I mean, a lot of positive, too, because, again, you guys were asking me, wait, can she come

00:39:37.300 back on and explain this?

00:39:38.600 What about this?

00:39:39.140 What about this?

00:39:39.860 But I got a lot of negative messages, a lot of shock, even from fellow conservative Christians

00:39:47.000 who thankfully are now talking about this, are like, wait, wait, wait, are you saying

00:39:51.220 that you're against surrogacy even when people have a hard time having a baby?

00:39:55.660 OK, what about what's this about IVF?

00:39:58.740 And we had actually done an episode on IVF and surrogacy before all of this.

00:40:02.600 I did it in, I don't know, the spring of 2020.

00:40:05.760 I did an episode just by myself on surrogacy and IVF and things like that.

00:40:11.680 But I've been educated a lot even since then because of Jennifer Law and Katie Faust and

00:40:16.040 some other people.

00:40:17.220 But we did an episode on this in 2020.

00:40:19.660 And I got a lot of negative feedback, a lot of positive, but a lot of negative from people

00:40:24.640 saying, oh, my gosh, I can't believe either.

00:40:26.940 I can't believe you're touching that.

00:40:28.500 I can't believe you're talking about birth control and things like that.

00:40:31.360 There are bigger fish to fry.

00:40:32.360 Shouldn't we just be focusing on abortion and, hey, if we're pro-life, like, shouldn't

00:40:36.260 we just be shouldn't we just be happy if babies are born, no matter how they're born?

00:40:42.800 And then, of course, a lot of messages from people personally offended because they used

00:40:47.200 a surrogate or they used IVF or something like that.

00:40:49.520 Of course, it's never my intention to hurt people's feelings when it comes to those things,

00:40:53.580 but need to talk about some some questions and ethics surrounding it.

00:40:57.960 But now I think there's been a shift.

00:41:00.100 I don't know for what reason, if it's just the efforts of the people that I've listed

00:41:04.440 or if it's just like a change or people just started thinking about it.

00:41:08.720 Of course, I hope that by the grace of God, also this podcast and having those very brilliant

00:41:13.380 women on have helped that it's helped spur the conversation, that it's kind of taken

00:41:16.980 like the fear away so that other conservative commentators are willing to be like, hold up

00:41:23.320 for a second.

00:41:24.320 Just because we're pro-life doesn't mean that we have no questions about conception and gestation

00:41:28.400 because we absolutely should, because being pro-life, what is the basis of being pro-life?

00:41:34.140 It is caring about the dignity and the rights of the child inside the womb.

00:41:38.400 Well, that's not just about not being aborted.

00:41:41.940 It also means caring about if that child has a right to a mom and a dad, which they do.

00:41:49.040 It also means that we care about the circumstances surrounding conception.

00:41:54.740 It means that we care about the risks and the benefits of pregnancy and gestation.

00:42:00.800 And look, if you're looking at the surrogacy industry, Chloe highlights some really important

00:42:06.720 points, even as someone who used surrogacy, is that you are taking this child away.

00:42:13.660 You're taking this child away from the woman who carried them. 1.00

00:42:19.300 And there is a bond that is created in that time.

00:42:22.280 There is a physiological, inexplicable in some ways, connection between the woman that is

00:42:28.840 carrying the child and the child.

00:42:31.220 Of course, that woman has the maturity to say, well, you know, this is not my child to continue

00:42:36.620 to try to fight against that biologically just like innate bond that is being created.

00:42:44.800 She can try to constantly convince herself, no, this is not my child and I'm not supposed

00:42:49.780 to bond with it.

00:42:50.960 I'm not supposed to be attached to it.

00:42:52.500 But that baby can't.

00:42:54.180 I mean, that is the only home that that baby has ever known.

00:42:57.400 That only heartbeat that he has ever heard.

00:43:00.080 The smell, the feeling, just the innate sense of belonging that that baby has.

00:43:05.580 All of that really matters, not just through pregnancy, but also at birth.

00:43:10.680 Like we understand, as Katie Faust has pointed out before, that there is a primal wound that

00:43:16.820 occurs in adoption, even though adoption, I think, is beautiful, a wonderful option, beautifully

00:43:21.580 redemptive that we should be very supportive of.

00:43:24.260 There is still a wound, a detachment that happens when that mother gives up her child for adoption

00:43:31.700 and hands that child over to other parents.

00:43:34.300 Again, a wonderful, beautifully redemptive process that I'm very thankful for.

00:43:39.880 But that is still a separation from or a step away from the ideal, which of course is that

00:43:47.460 a child gets to stay with a loving biological mother and father.

00:43:54.020 Adoption is the next best thing.

00:43:55.780 But the ideal, of course, is for every child to stay with a loving, supportive, biological,

00:44:02.140 married mom and dad.

00:44:04.800 And so when we step away from that original design, original intent, even through something

00:44:10.720 as wonderful as adoption, there is a wound that happens there.

00:44:15.200 There is a physiological, emotional, mental thing that happens when that child is, instead

00:44:22.360 of being put on the chest of his mother, the only woman that he's ever known, is given

00:44:27.000 to strangers, there is a primal wound that occurs there that sometimes has great consequences

00:44:33.860 in that child's life forever.

00:44:35.760 Sometimes it has minimal consequences.

00:44:38.100 It just kind of depends on the circumstance and depends on the level of impact.

00:44:42.560 It also has an impact on the mother, whether that's a mother who is giving her child up for

00:44:46.760 adoption, whether that is the surrogate.

00:44:49.300 There is a separation, there is a step away from God's original, intentional design that

00:44:56.760 is going to cause some level of brokenness.

00:45:01.300 Now, we live in a fallen world and brokenness is inevitable.

00:45:06.040 And so when brokenness happens because of adoption, which again is redemptive, then that's

00:45:13.640 something that can really be healed.

00:45:15.220 But when it happens through something like surrogacy, when it is simply people saying, I am going

00:45:22.900 to create a child knowing that I cannot give them the best situation for their development,

00:45:33.940 creating a child saying, I am going to purposely and intentionally conceive them in order to take 0.96

00:45:42.220 them away from the woman who jested to them.

00:45:45.840 That is adults putting their desires above a child's right and well-being.

00:45:52.060 And it's one thing when you have something like Chloe and the guy who fathers her children,

00:45:56.740 I think it's Tristan, where you still have the biological mom and dad, you still have the

00:46:00.900 biological sperm and egg that's implanted in the woman's, in the surrogate's uterus. 0.64

00:46:06.680 Okay, that's one thing.

00:46:07.800 But in a lot of these cases, for example, if you've got two men, they're buying the eggs

00:46:13.980 from one woman and then they're fertilizing with one of their sperm. 0.98

00:46:19.200 And then typically there's a eugenics process in there when they're picking the best embryo, 1.00

00:46:24.500 they're picking the sex of the baby.

00:46:26.240 They're picking the strongest embryo, making sure, of course, that the embryo doesn't have

00:46:29.780 Down syndrome or doesn't have any of those kind of anomalies or disabilities.

00:46:34.160 They choose the strongest embryo that is the sex that they want.

00:46:37.960 They implant those in the surrogate.

00:46:42.440 That's a whole medical process for the surrogate. 1.00

00:46:45.920 They're renting the womb of this other woman who, again, is not the egg seller. 0.99

00:46:51.160 And then they're taking that child away upon birth from the biological mother and from the 0.80

00:46:58.140 gestator.

00:46:58.680 And then removing the opportunity for that child to ever have the loving touch of their

00:47:04.580 mother.

00:47:05.760 I don't know many things more cruel than that, more wicked than that.

00:47:11.980 To just assume that men and women are arbitrary, that there's nothing unique that a mother brings

00:47:17.520 to the table.

00:47:18.200 I mean, we allow puppies to be with their mothers for longer than we allow babies to be with

00:47:26.460 their mothers or with their gestators after they're born when it comes to surrogacy. 0.63

00:47:32.000 So we understand that need for connection and bond, at least for a few weeks when it comes

00:47:36.000 to dogs, but not when it comes to people.

00:47:38.380 Why?

00:47:39.040 Because adults' whims and their desires to become parents apparently outweigh in our society

00:47:45.120 the well-being and the rights of children.

00:47:47.200 I mean, when it comes to two women, you are still, you're buying the sperm from a biological 1.00

00:47:53.000 dad and then you are not allowing for the child to ever have a father.

00:47:58.340 Kids need a mom and a dad because men and women aren't the same. 1.00

00:48:02.320 Moms and dads aren't the same.

00:48:03.540 We bring different things to the table.

00:48:06.020 There's different bonds that are created there.

00:48:08.040 There are different characteristics that we offer.

00:48:10.340 There's a different balance, a different dynamic that comes from God's good and wonderful and

00:48:14.840 beautiful design that we see all the way back in the first chapter of the first book of

00:48:19.740 the Bible.

00:48:20.640 He created us male and female.

00:48:22.720 He created marriage in that way.

00:48:24.740 He created the family in that way, not arbitrarily, but because we have different innate characteristics

00:48:32.060 and because he loves us, because marriage and family between a man and a woman is the safest

00:48:39.240 place for a child to be in general.

00:48:42.900 That doesn't mean that there aren't bad biological parents out there.

00:48:45.260 It's not what I'm saying.

00:48:46.380 Again, we live in a broken and fallen world.

00:48:48.860 But a child absolutely should be given every opportunity to have a mom and a dad, preferably

00:48:56.260 biological mom and dad, although, of course, again, that's not always possible.

00:49:01.080 Surrogacy disrupts this natural process.

00:49:05.500 It puts the child and the woman, by the way, and the surrogate, like there are really, really 0.92

00:49:10.480 grave risks to surrogacy.

00:49:12.840 It's not like a normal pregnancy because it's not your biology.

00:49:18.400 Like your body didn't create this.

00:49:20.680 You have to go through all of these hormonal and medical steps to even be able to carry a

00:49:24.680 child that was not conceived inside you.

00:49:26.660 So there's great risk to the surrogate's body as well, as well as the egg donor's body.

00:49:31.620 Like there's a lot that's going on here.

00:49:33.640 And in the name of, well, we should just allow adults to be parents no matter what, we're

00:49:38.260 putting so many people at risk.

00:49:40.980 And a lot of times these egg donors and these surrogates, they're in a financial bind.

00:49:45.360 And so they feel pressure to take these opportunities.

00:49:47.980 Some of these contracts when it comes to surrogacy include in there that, hey, if we want you

00:49:56.020 to have an abortion, you have to have an abortion. 1.00

00:50:00.080 So all of these people are my body, my choice.

00:50:04.960 But then when it comes to surrogacy, they think, hmm, yeah, I guess I could force another

00:50:12.460 woman to have an abortion if I want her to. 1.00

00:50:15.560 So all of a sudden you don't have rights to your own body.

00:50:19.400 Of course, pro-choicers don't believe that babies have a right to their own body. 0.98

00:50:23.160 They already believe that babies should be murdered. 0.99

00:50:26.080 So like this is really, it's not that different than human trafficking.

00:50:30.580 The surrogacy industry is not that different than human trafficking.

00:50:34.960 If it is at all.

00:50:36.820 Sure, you're getting paid.

00:50:37.940 Sure, there's technically consent.

00:50:39.500 Yeah, there's technically consent in a lot of these cases where these young girls are 1.00

00:50:46.200 actually being trafficked, but they're doing it because they need it.

00:50:50.200 They need the provision.

00:50:51.660 They need the so-called protection that they think that they're getting from these men.

00:50:56.220 And the same thing happens in surrogacy.

00:50:59.680 It is a form of trafficking.

00:51:02.180 And I'm glad that Chloe is talking about it.

00:51:04.960 I'm glad that she's saying, yeah, this is transactional.

00:51:07.900 I'm glad that she's saying that she doesn't have the connection with her son, which is

00:51:11.380 really, really sad.

00:51:13.020 It's a consequence of all of this.

00:51:14.580 Her poor son, because this is how she wanted to have her child.

00:51:18.760 What do we always say is that when technology takes us from what is natural to what is possible,

00:51:25.180 we have a lot of questions to ask.

00:51:27.280 And you should not feel guilty about asking those questions.

00:51:29.980 Now, all children created via surrogacy, created via IVF, created via all these technologies

00:51:35.800 are made in the image of God.

00:51:36.900 They're just as valuable as any other child.

00:51:38.920 They're beautiful.

00:51:39.820 And if you had a child via IVF or surrogacy or whatever, I am not saying that you are

00:51:44.060 a bad parent, that you don't love your kids, or that your kids aren't going to thrive and

00:51:48.180 do very well.

00:51:49.060 That's not what I'm saying.

00:51:50.680 Please don't mishear me or misunderstand me or intentionally misrepresent me.

00:51:57.520 We just have some questions to ask, especially as Christians, especially as pro-lifers, people

00:52:02.060 who want to speak up for the voiceless.

00:52:04.740 Babies of surrogacy are voiceless.

00:52:07.320 Babies of these reproductive technologies, babies who are taken away, intentionally created 0.98

00:52:12.800 to be taken away from a mother or father, they're voiceless.

00:52:15.340 We should be speaking up for them too.

00:52:17.880 So anyway, I do hope and pray, though, that Chloe and her son, that they bond, that that

00:52:25.280 connection is able to be established.

00:52:28.340 I really hope that she starts to think about this too.

00:52:30.960 Um, and it's, it's okay for us to think about it.

00:52:35.220 This is not forbidden territory for us.

00:52:38.140 In fact, it should be a territory that we run into very bravely.

00:52:41.840 And I just want to thank everyone who was doing that long before me and also thank all

00:52:46.560 the conservative Christians who now, some who sent me really mean messages a couple of

00:52:51.160 years ago, but who now we're talking about this.

00:52:54.120 Um, I, I really, I'm, I'm thankful for that.

00:52:56.300 And maybe we can turn the tide on this.

00:52:58.020 There needs to be legislation put in place, protecting kids too, especially when it comes

00:53:02.360 to commercial surrogacy.

00:53:03.680 If you've got questions about that, like, well, what about in this situation?

00:53:06.500 What about in this situation?

00:53:07.400 Go back and listen to some of those episodes, uh, that we have, that we've talked about

00:53:11.680 before.

00:53:24.160 Oh, we had a lot more to talk about today, but as you can tell, we're already

00:53:27.760 running up on an hour.

00:53:29.380 We'll probably be a little bit over an hour, but I wasn't expecting to talk about all the

00:53:33.740 Chick-fil-A stuff.

00:53:34.740 And then that happened.

00:53:35.880 So we had to discuss it.

00:53:37.200 We had more like a conception related stuff, more, uh, dystopian reproduction things to

00:53:44.380 talk about.

00:53:45.500 Um, and we'll just have to talk about that.

00:53:47.660 I don't know, sometime this week, let me know other things that you would like us to

00:53:51.420 talk about.

00:53:52.020 Uh, let's see.

00:53:54.240 Do I have anything else to say?

00:53:57.140 Um, please leave us a five-star review wherever you listen on Apple Podcasts.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - May 30, 2023

Ep 813 ｜ Is Chick-fil-A Moving Left？ & Khloe Kardashian’s Surrogacy Confession

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