Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 818 ｜ How LGBTQ Became Our State Religion ｜ Guest： Auron MacIntyre

00:00:00.180 America has a new state religion. It is the state religion of LGBTQ+. 1.00

00:00:07.120 Every public and private institution just about in the United States has been captured by this religion, 1.00

00:00:14.680 and the movement of the sexual revolution is not stopping.

00:00:20.380 It is breaking down every barrier that was once up to protect people from total and complete anarchy

00:00:28.660 and moral chaos. How did this happen? Why is it happening? Can this advancement be stopped at

00:00:36.200 all? And do people on the right even understand the moment that we're in? The answer to that is

00:00:43.060 probably no, but we do have some solutions to this major problem from our friend and my Blaze TV

00:00:50.260 colleague, Oren McIntyre. He is the host of the Oren McIntyre show on Blaze TV.

00:00:57.940 We are going to be talking about all the problems with Republican politicians and right-wing

00:01:03.800 movements and how we can rectify these things and actually harness power in a healthy and

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00:01:35.740 Oren, thanks so much for coming back on Relatable. I appreciate it.

00:01:39.220 Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

00:01:40.640 Okay. So I love to get your thoughts on everything and I'm glad that we kind of had a warm-up

00:01:44.720 conversation before we even started. I'm just, I really am fascinated by all of your takes on

00:01:50.040 everything that happens in our culture. So I want to get your thoughts on this. Yesterday,

00:01:54.980 and I'm going to talk about this more tomorrow. I'll dedicate at least a segment of my show to

00:01:58.700 this, but I had a Rolling Stones reporter reach out to me. Her name is E.J. Dixon. And she said that

00:02:05.640 she's going to include me and some other people in this article about transphobia. And she said,

00:02:12.080 wrongly, that I've only started talking about transgenderism in the past year and I'm doing it

00:02:17.020 because it's growing my audience or whatever. I had never looked into this person, but I started

00:02:24.780 to research some of her past articles and I found some really disturbing things. There's a theme. She

00:02:30.820 defends the Netflix show Cuties where you've got 11-year-olds twerking. She basically links concerns

00:02:37.780 about pedophilia and child sex trafficking with QAnon and conspiracy theories. And then I saw that she has

00:02:44.360 an article from 2014 and it's titled, could child sex robots, quote unquote, cure pedophilia? So-called

00:02:53.100 child sex robots don't exist yet, but here's why they're worth exploring further. She calls pedophilia

00:02:59.300 a sexual orientation. She also says, I've become convinced that we need to stop getting caught up

00:03:05.060 in our knee-jerk reactions to adults having sex with children. So I almost tagged you in this thread

00:03:10.960 that I posted yesterday because I wanted to get your insight. Why do we see this so much from

00:03:16.440 left-wing journalists, this kind of defensive pedophilia while at the same time trying to label

00:03:21.320 people like me who think that men can't become women extremists? Well, we've seen this pattern over

00:03:27.260 and over again, right? This is how the ratchet turns. It was the same thing with a gay marriage. Oh, 1.00

00:03:31.440 you know, how does this affect your relationship? Can't possibly be a big issue for you. Why do you care so

00:03:35.780 much about it? Now it's mandatory pride celebrations in all of your schools, all of your corporations.

00:03:40.580 Are you speaking out against this? Well, you can't get a job anywhere. You might not be able to bank

00:03:44.500 at your local bank. You know, this is the same thing. You know, they pretend it's not happening.

00:03:48.560 It's not going on. You're crazy. Why would you point this out? And then by the time they've 1.00

00:03:52.140 implemented all this stuff, the answer is, oh, how could you possibly be against this? This is a popular

00:03:56.820 consensus. Of course, it's always been like this. And this is kind of how we understand these

00:04:01.740 sexual mores are connected. These boundaries that we have in society are all interconnected.

00:04:06.840 The slippery slope is real. There's a reason that the religious right of the eighties and nineties 0.59

00:04:10.820 warned us about all this stuff and all of it became true. And they were mocked for doing it

00:04:15.520 the entire time. And then it all just happened. And everyone said, well, of course, this was always

00:04:19.280 the plan. You know, now they're, they're more than happy to talk about how this was always the way

00:04:23.120 things were going to go. But at the time, everyone was called crazy and reactionary and ridiculous for 0.97

00:04:27.800 calling these things out. Why are you obsessed with this? You must be someone like this, 0.65

00:04:31.100 right? Those are all the accusations that get leveled. And I think it's because the obsession

00:04:36.160 is to break down all these barriers. And when you move these things kind of out of the realm of

00:04:41.340 the, you know, the sacred, we say morality is not about evil. Morality is not about good versus bad.

00:04:47.460 Morality is not about the spiritual or of higher authority. It's all about medicine. Everybody is

00:04:52.340 sick. Everybody has a condition. It's all therapeutic. And so therapeutic answers are always the way that we

00:04:57.980 solve things. And so when you're looking in that direction, well, why not let a pedophile have some

00:05:03.080 kind of robot? How does it hurt you? How does it hurt your family? They're getting the therapy they

00:05:07.740 need to deal with their issue. And surely won't go any further, just like all these other things that

00:05:12.700 went further, but we totally pretend didn't.

00:05:14.040 Yeah. And there's also a very simplistic answer that you post about a lot. And what is that?

00:05:20.100 It's that it's not rocket science. They're evil and they want to diddle kids. Yeah. There's 0.98

00:05:24.500 unfortunately, and again, it's not everyone. The vast majority of people who support this stuff,

00:05:29.780 they think they're behind the next civil rights movement. They think that they're on the right 0.79

00:05:32.920 side of history, that they're pushing for this. Most people who are involved in this behavior

00:05:37.220 are not explicitly interested in predation of children. But by removing those barriers,

00:05:44.280 those essential moral societal barriers between children and sexuality, they are grooming children 0.86

00:05:51.680 for predation. Anyone who is interested in taking action like this, anyone who's trying to like

00:05:58.700 traffic children sexually at a young age, they know the first thing they do is expose children's 0.93

00:06:05.140 sexuality too young. And if you're doing that as part of your civil rights movement, as your part of

00:06:12.800 your project to make everything acceptable and everything okay, then that means you have to

00:06:18.000 expose children to sexuality, which is why we're talking to children about, you know, gender swapping 1.00

00:06:23.500 at three or five years old while we have elementary school teachers who think it's okay to teach children

00:06:28.160 about masturbation and things when they're in first grade. And what is that doing? Whether these

00:06:33.300 teachers are specifically going out of their way to prepare children for that or not, they will

00:06:39.200 eventually make children more likely to be accepting of this behavior. And that's incredibly dangerous.

00:06:45.340 Yeah. Megyn Kelly recently played some audio on her podcast because she's doing a deep dive into the

00:06:51.120 subway guy who ended up being a pedophile. And she played some audio of a conversation between him

00:06:58.280 and this woman who ended up being an undercover agent but was pretending to go along with, you know,

00:07:05.380 the thing that his plans to basically abuse these young girls. And one of the things that he told her

00:07:11.640 to do when you have these interactions with these young girls at school, make sure you bring up

00:07:16.720 conversations about sex. Oh, if they start, you know, having if they start talking about the opposite sex or

00:07:23.960 these sexual things or these kind of verboten things, then encourage that. And that is what you read from

00:07:31.160 psychologists, from everyone who is an expert in child sex abuse, pedophilia, this kind of predation. The first

00:07:37.780 thing that's done is to condition that child to start thinking about sex and to talk about sex. But they like 0.62

00:07:44.980 what they play this game on the left that they say, well, talking about gender switching, talking about 0.99

00:07:50.960 masturbation. Like you said, these very graphic pictures that we see available in these books that 0.54

00:07:57.260 are in elementary school libraries, that has nothing to do with real sex. That has nothing to do with

00:08:04.440 anything explicit. We're just trying to keep them safe. We're just trying to let them accept who they

00:08:09.160 are. And then they do what you said. You're so gross that you would even think that this is anything

00:08:13.900 inappropriate. So what do you what do you make of that kind of game that they play? 0.94

00:08:17.760 Again, I think it's just a repeating pattern. This is how the dialectic advances. This is how

00:08:22.660 the left has advanced almost all of its ratchets. You know, again, they pretend that this isn't

00:08:28.440 happening. It's not going on. You're paranoid. You're pushing things. It's for your profit,

00:08:33.240 your glorification, you're growing an audience, whatever, all this stuff. And then they go ahead

00:08:37.900 and move forward with it incrementally each time. And by the time all the things that were predicted

00:08:42.880 happen, it's too late. The culture's cultural opinion has already shifted. The truth is that

00:08:48.360 there are barriers that must exist that can not be discussed. They cannot be debated. There are hard

00:08:55.360 stops in our culture that have to exist because they protect something too precious. And no one is

00:09:00.380 allowed to get up to or across the line. And protecting children from sexualization has to be

00:09:05.600 one of those. There cannot be movement. There cannot be discussion. There cannot be debate. We don't need

00:09:10.720 to rationalize this. There's no reason that needs to be behind it, though there is obviously reason

00:09:15.380 behind it. The line has to be drawn in the sand and has to be unapproachable by anyone. There's a

00:09:20.600 reason we place taboos like this because they mean something and the cost of crossing them is too high.

00:09:25.700 Mm-hmm. We keep seeing these drag shows happening, especially this month, that are labeled

00:09:31.740 all ages or family-friendly. I saw one advertised by Drew Hernandez. He went to one in Arizona where he took a

00:09:39.760 video of these family-friendly all-ages pride festivals. I guess it's not a drag show, but there

00:09:45.660 are drag queens there. And I mean, it's sex. It's sex. It's not inclusivity. It's not acceptance. 0.98

00:09:52.320 It's sex. These parades that claim to be family-friendly. You see the kids and the infants in

00:09:57.420 the background and the parents just cheering on. Like, this is so great while they see a man in leather,

00:10:03.060 you know, chaps being whipped by another man. And they're like, yeah, this is family-friendly.

00:10:07.760 It's fine. You're such a weirdo for even thinking that there's anything wrong with this. I mean, 0.94

00:10:13.040 10 years ago, I think everyone would have said, yeah, that's okay. You know what? You adults,

00:10:18.220 you want to do that. You even want to go out on the street and celebrate that. That's fine.

00:10:22.520 Don't include children. I mean, why is there this absolutely relentless push to include children in

00:10:28.380 this stuff? And why does it seem like the right noticing and advertising it has not hindered it at all?

00:10:34.820 Well, I think it's because if you're going to create a level of tolerance for something that is

00:10:42.200 obviously a moral problem, then you have to start young. You have to indoctrinate people.

00:10:49.280 When you have a natural hierarchy, I think that people recognize of how families should behave and

00:10:56.040 what like a healthy family formation is. And when you see what's happening here, it's very clear that

00:11:01.720 it's important that this be pushed down on kids younger and younger. Everyone a few years ago,

00:11:07.320 like you're saying, understood that pride was like a Mardi Gras thing. It's a kind of a no holds bar

00:11:12.200 thing that was for adults. And maybe you thought that was okay and maybe you didn't, but you understood

00:11:17.080 at some level, at least it was adults involved and that's who it was for. But it's very clear now

00:11:22.540 that we're at the point where we're debating about what kind of pride should be allowed, how explicit a

00:11:28.560 pride event can be and still be labeled family friendly. You're even seeing conservatives do

00:11:33.220 this, right? Saying, oh yeah, we have to go return to the tradition of pride three years ago when it

00:11:39.160 wasn't leather daddies running around and exposing themselves to children. And it's just, again, 0.85

00:11:44.360 this complete lack and willingness of people to stand on principle and say, we understand where this

00:11:50.260 goes and we don't care how you're going to depict us and we don't care what names you're going to call

00:11:54.620 us. And we don't care what kind of list the SPLC is going to put you on. Either you care about your

00:11:59.680 children or you don't. Either you care about the future or you don't. And you got to make your stand

00:12:04.200 somewhere. And if this, if you can't stand up against this, the active destruction of the innocence

00:12:09.480 of children for all kinds of political and more deeply and dark gratification of a segment of our

00:12:17.520 society, then you can't stand up against anything.

00:12:20.020 Yeah. And you know, I just don't really have a whole lot of faith because of what you just said

00:12:25.920 that the right in general, however you want to define that, whatever parameters you want to put

00:12:29.740 around that are really up for this fight. Because as you said, they're like, let's, okay, let's just go

00:12:35.940 back to 2015. Let's just go back to celebrating Obergefell. Or maybe if they're crazy, let's go back to

00:12:43.380 like 2012 or 1995 or whenever they feel like the golden age of liberalism was where we all got along

00:12:49.680 and things like that. But they don't see, they really don't see the connection. Or if they

00:12:54.820 even do see the connection between breaking down all the boundaries that leads to breaking down of

00:13:01.500 the boundaries that we're seeing broken down now, they don't want to admit it. They might be okay

00:13:07.160 with being called a hate group for being anti-pedothelia. They might be okay with being linked 0.93

00:13:12.780 with QAnon for being anti-child sex trafficking. They may be okay with being called transphobic.

00:13:17.040 They're not okay with being called homophobic, which is why I think the strategy of the left

00:13:21.800 can be very effective. Even in the email that the Rolling Stones person put to me, at first,

00:13:26.280 she said, you're transphobic. And then she said, LGBTQ. So it's lumping all that in. And now I don't

00:13:33.060 care. Like, I'm like, well, I'm a Christian. Yes, I do believe that marriage is between a man and a

00:13:37.920 woman. I don't care what you call me. But most people on the right do not want to be seen as

00:13:43.240 anti-gay. And they're very, very scared to have a conversation about the entire alphabet.

00:13:49.400 Yeah, the Martin Bailey tactic is a classic one. You use something that's been made socially

00:13:54.560 acceptable, pretend that that is the thing that you are defending, but you use that to advance a

00:13:59.480 more radical position. And this is something that you said, once you have kind of made that group sacred,

00:14:04.800 once you've made that thing unacceptable to criticize, then it becomes your shield and advancement

00:14:10.040 for more radical portions of your agenda. And this is exactly what goes on. They say, oh, well,

00:14:15.980 you're attacking trans. Well, then you're attacking everything. And you see, it's kind of sad, because

00:14:21.360 I know people mean it. I see these people and they're like, LGB without the T. That's the new

00:14:26.580 conservative position. And this will stop it, because it shows that there's something different

00:14:31.680 here. And we support and protect all of these things. But this is the one step that's too far. And it's

00:14:37.240 like, oh, guys, you didn't pay attention to conservative movements for the last 30 years,

00:14:42.180 because they've done this at every step of the way. And the truth is, either you have a cohesive

00:14:47.080 moral vision, or you don't. And if you don't, you'll get picked apart by those who do. The left has a

00:14:53.600 moral vision. They have a way that they want to reorder society. And they are very sure about the

00:15:00.300 righteousness of their cause, and their need to move it forward. The right does not have that, which is

00:15:05.260 sad, because the right should have the truth of real religion. It should have the courage of

00:15:09.660 their convictions. They claim a holy book, they claim a church, but therefore more willing to

00:15:16.500 betray that than left is to betray its world vision that doesn't have a holy book and doesn't have a

00:15:22.120 church. And that's pretty sad.

00:15:36.840 I think it's a lot easier not to make excuses for the right. But as you have mentioned, the really

00:15:44.280 the progressive vision and crude terms is just to tear down all the boundaries without asking if these

00:15:49.880 boundaries were protecting us from something that's really dangerous. Let's just tear them

00:15:54.020 all down. You don't really have to agree with someone on how to demolish something. You take a

00:15:59.860 hammer, I'll take, you know, I don't know, something else, some other kind of tool, some kind of mallet,

00:16:06.940 and let's just tear down this wall. You don't have to agree on the tactic. You don't have to agree on the

00:16:11.400 tools. You don't even have to agree on the vision. The vision is demolition, period. But when your vision

00:16:16.740 is to build something, there's a lot of disagreement and discussion that has to go into that. Like,

00:16:22.040 what kind of materials are we going to use? What kind of tools are we going to use? How are we going

00:16:25.900 to lay the bricks? What's the foundation going to look like? That's really what we can't agree on.

00:16:30.060 And then, like, what is this going to look like? And what kind of structure will really hold?

00:16:34.920 So that's, I think, one reason why it's much more difficult to form coalitions on the right,

00:16:40.120 because we can't decide on how to build something. It's so much easier to just,

00:16:45.520 you know, get together with all kinds of people that you might really disagree with and just

00:16:50.380 destroy.

00:16:52.000 Yeah, that's exactly right. The left is really, at the end of the day, a mystery cult of power. It's a

00:16:56.420 coalition of people who benefit from the destruction of our current society. Each piece of traditional 0.95

00:17:04.100 morality, each piece of traditional hierarchy that gets dismantled releases political energy

00:17:09.180 and allows the left to punish their enemies and reward their friends with different benefits,

00:17:14.620 with different opportunities, with, you know, different sinecures. And that is something that

00:17:19.840 is easy to get everybody on board with. Hey, if you are on board with dismantling this thing,

00:17:24.080 we'll hand you a piece of the pie that we take from someone else. This is a really classic strategy

00:17:28.460 for any political coalition, really. Take the wealth of other people and hand it out to them. We've

00:17:33.220 heard this before. In this case, sometimes it's social capital alongside with the money,

00:17:38.400 but it's still the same strategy. And so I think you're right that that is very difficult. And the

00:17:43.700 right is also in a state of denial. We want to believe that we can go back to a neutral

00:17:50.120 civilization. We can return to some kind of mythical liberal consensus that existed maybe in the 1990s,

00:17:57.780 if you're, if you're kind of a, you were a moderate liberal and maybe the 1950s, if you're more

00:18:03.940 classic conservative, but we like to pretend that there was a moment at which like basically all of

00:18:09.360 our institutions were neutral and they didn't have any moral values and they just let everybody kind

00:18:13.260 of pick their own thing and do their own thing. But of course that was never true. And the attempt

00:18:18.080 to return back to that is hollow because the left has a moral vision. They have something that they

00:18:23.640 want to give to people that gives them meaning and purpose. Now I think it's a crude, ugly caricature

00:18:29.220 of a real moral vision, a real religion, but at least it offers a narrative that people can follow,

00:18:36.820 they can engage in, they can find meaning in. The right refuses to invest in any of these things.

00:18:41.460 We have a few people who say it has to be Christianity. We have a few people who says it

00:18:44.440 has to be like basically Barack Obama liberalism. We have a few people that like, no libertarians,

00:18:49.680 we can't have any of this stuff. And because there's this constant inability to coalesce around

00:18:55.740 one of those things, there's no way, like you said, to really move forward together. And until

00:19:00.760 people admit to themselves that we have to forge that, then you're not going to have a really

00:19:05.820 consistent movement, I don't think. Yeah. I think that the conversation about can you have,

00:19:11.760 can we promote LGB without the T, that conversation is really like a symptom of the greater problem

00:19:18.420 because I am sympathetic to that. I really am. And like, I appreciate a lot of work that is being done

00:19:25.500 especially like the so-called TERFs or the feminists who maybe identify as LGB and they're 1.00

00:19:33.140 like, you know, it's fundamentally different. I can sympathize with that. They would say they're

00:19:38.460 not denying reality. They're not pretending to be something that they're not. They're not trying

00:19:43.040 to enter into spaces that are not theirs. They're not violating other people's rights. I can sympathize

00:19:48.960 with that. And I can understand why people, other people are very sympathetic to that. But again,

00:19:55.240 it goes back to like, but what is our moral vision? What's the foundation for all of this? What is the

00:20:01.540 ideal that we are going to hold up? What is best for society? Like we actually have to agree on those

00:20:08.020 things. If you think that there is something unique about a man and a woman that doesn't just inform what

00:20:15.300 you think about gender and gender ideology, it's going to inform what you think about marriage and

00:20:20.180 parenting too. It's really like trans women are women is to me like the same exact math as love is

00:20:26.380 love. It's the same. It's the same thing. Basically you're saying men and women and all these people,

00:20:32.140 we're all just interchangeable. We're all just clumps of matter. Like there's nothing unique to you as a

00:20:37.120 man. There's nothing unique to me as a woman. There's nothing unique that I bring to the table as a mom

00:20:41.500 or as a wife, nothing unique that my husband as a dad and as a husband brings to the table that's

00:20:46.680 unique. And so it's, it's the same, it's the same fundamental premise that like we are our own

00:20:54.040 gods. We get to self-identify. We get to self-declare. We get to redefine marriage and family, how we see

00:20:59.400 fit. So even though I can really sympathize with like the separation at the end of the day,

00:21:04.900 it's all the same, in my opinion, faulty premise and you can't build a cohesive society on that.

00:21:12.980 Yeah. I mean, I hear you. These people at least are principled, right? If nothing else,

00:21:17.320 they're willing to stand on some kind of principle. But at the end of the day,

00:21:20.120 they're just revolutionaries who fell off the tip of the spear. The revolution finally got to

00:21:23.900 dismantling something they cared about. And all of a sudden the revolution had gone too far. But of

00:21:29.000 course it had been doing that beforehand. All of the principles that they're trying to rest their

00:21:33.280 identity on were already dismantled by the very movement that they're now decrying against,

00:21:38.300 even though they were on board with that revolution all the way up to this point. The truth is either

00:21:44.220 we are people who have limitations, who are, have purpose inside a tradition, inside an identity,

00:21:52.960 inside a hierarchy that is ordained and maintained by things that are beyond our control,

00:21:58.720 or we are just rearrangeable meat Legos, and we can just become whatever we want at any time.

00:22:07.280 And there's really no way to break that logic. You have to go one way or the other. Either nature

00:22:13.000 matters, either those things, the designs of things beyond our understanding or power to control

00:22:18.420 matter, and we have to honor them, or we don't. And that's the problem of kind of the rights

00:22:23.840 revolution. We are obsessed with rights, but rights have now gone far beyond what government

00:22:28.840 can't do to us, and it's become what we must do, what government must force for us to have our theory

00:22:35.760 of our own autonomy. And that's, I think, the break that a lot of people had. But the problem is,

00:22:41.020 again, that dismantling that got you there is the reason this is available now. It's all connected,

00:22:46.040 like you said.

00:22:46.580 Yeah. I always say it always goes back to the first chapter of the first book of the Bible,

00:22:51.340 God created the heavens and the earth. Because if you believe that, if God created it, then he's

00:22:56.020 the authority over all of it. He says what is and what isn't, what's right and what's wrong,

00:22:58.940 what's true and what's false, what's male and what's female. If you don't believe that, if you

00:23:02.040 don't believe in the God of Scripture, you will inevitably believe in the God of self, and you

00:23:06.500 will be self-defining, self-declaring. I mean, to me, that is like the fundamental disagreement that

00:23:11.700 everyone has, but even particularly on the right. Now, some people agree on that, but we disagree with how

00:23:17.980 it actually manifests itself in politics and culture and all of that. But I want to talk to

00:23:22.700 you about like this failure to be able to coalesce around any moral vision by looking at a tweet from

00:23:29.300 Ted Cruz, Senator Ted Cruz, that people, at least on the left, and maybe a lot of people, Republicans

00:23:34.820 would say he's like the furthest right that you could possibly get. Some people would say that.

00:23:38.820 And he tweeted about, he quote tweeted the New York Times, the New York Times tweeted about this

00:23:44.920 Uganda law, which is a, they describe as a punitive anti-gay bill, which does public or punish 0.73

00:23:51.160 homosexual behavior, but issues the death penalty for homosexual child rapists, and also penalizes 0.87

00:23:59.300 like knowingly infecting someone with HIV. Ted Cruz quote tweets it, says this Uganda law is horrific 0.97

00:24:07.340 and wrong. Any law criminalizing homosexuality or imposing the death penalty for quote unquote

00:24:12.960 aggravated homosexuality is grotesque and an abomination. All civilized nations should join 1.00

00:24:18.580 together in condemning this human rights abuse. Hashtag LGBTQ. What does this mean? And why did Ted

00:24:28.140 Cruz of all the things of all the human rights atrocities in Uganda, by the way, which is why I'm

00:24:33.420 like, I'm not this law too. I'm like, there's so many human rights violations going on in Uganda.

00:24:39.280 Like why this to highlight of all the terrible, terrible things that go on there against all

00:24:44.900 different kinds of people. Why did he choose to highlight this law and not the others that are

00:24:49.620 clearly discriminatory against all different kinds of people in Uganda? Because Ted Cruz is the subject

00:24:54.960 of the media because we're in a media controlled state and the media told him to look, you can look

00:24:59.980 at Africa. And like you said, there's tons of horrific things happening there, but sub-Saharan 0.99

00:25:05.380 sodomy laws are not like the primary thing that you think you would be drawn to. I mean, like you

00:25:10.460 said, there's plenty of atrocities in Uganda itself that you could mention. There's also places like

00:25:14.140 South Africa that are trying to limit access to water based on race, but you'll never see Ted Cruz

00:25:19.660 talk about that. And we all know why. Yeah. And that's the thing.

00:25:22.820 Well, and let's just be specific in case people don't know. It's based on race. Like if you are 0.56

00:25:29.860 white, you get later access to utilities like water. So just so people know, it's not preferential

00:25:36.420 treatment toward white people. It's the other way around, which is why he wouldn't say anything.

00:25:40.080 Yeah. It's minorities in South Africa, but in South Africa, minorities are whites, but also other

00:25:47.640 races, other tribes that aren't the predominant. And yes, they're all getting lower treatment in many

00:25:54.780 areas. They're not allowed to hold specific positions in government. They're not allowed to have

00:25:58.700 enough people on different company boards. Like this is, they just have racial quotas on everything.

00:26:03.520 And the majority has to be in charge of all of it. And the minorities, including whites, 0.99

00:26:07.500 have to be at the bottom of it in a lot of these situations. But of course, Ted Cruz isn't going to

00:26:11.760 talk about any of that because the media is going to destroy him for talking about that. And they're

00:26:16.200 going to praise him for talking about what Uganda is doing over there. Right now, Ted Cruz lives in a

00:26:21.880 country that is currently trying to put a man in jail for 10 years for tweeting a meme about Hillary Clinton.

00:26:27.960 Yeah. Right. Ted Cruz lives in a country where people who go to the Capitol and protest and

00:26:34.100 admittedly, maybe some of them, you know, go in and they riot and deserve some kind of criminal penalty,

00:26:39.140 but go to jail for over a decade. Some of them for not even entering the building. Ted Cruz lives in a

00:26:45.040 country where all of this stuff is occurring, but his energy is spent on this issue. Why? Because he

00:26:52.900 knows that he'll get points. He knows that this is where he will be celebrated. And that's the sad

00:26:59.720 thing. He won't even be celebrated, right? Most of these people will still hate him the next minute

00:27:03.520 later. Most of them will just use his statement to sneer. Oh, look, the right's reacting to this.

00:27:08.440 They're such bad people. They'll even attack this guy who's the worst human in the world who happened 0.56

00:27:13.360 to say one true thing for a second, right? But he still does it because he feels that compulsion

00:27:18.580 to win those popular points. And that is very sad. Maybe Ted Cruz really does have a problem with

00:27:25.420 this law. Fine. But every time he spends the Capitol, that political Capitol, that communications

00:27:32.560 Capitol, he's making a choice as to like what he's going to acquiesce to. And it's very clear why he made

00:27:38.380 that choice here. Yeah. And, you know, I'm sure he would say his probably defense would be, look, I do

00:27:44.480 spend energy on all those other things. I can do multiple things at once. This was one of the things

00:27:49.560 that bothered me. But he would probably say, I spend time on a lot of the things that you're

00:27:53.940 talking about that are really important. But I just wanted to do this. Now, I think that's true. And I

00:27:58.940 appreciate Ted Cruz in a lot of ways. I appreciate a lot of the good, you know, strong legislation he's

00:28:04.740 put forth and all of that. So I don't want it to seem like I'm discounting that or, you know, I don't mean

00:28:09.900 any disrespect, but I just happen to agree with you that he might be doing some good things. But

00:28:15.500 this is to score points, especially and you pointed this out, which I thought was interesting,

00:28:20.320 especially the hashtag LGBTQ. Tell me the significance in your mind of him, including

00:28:26.040 that entire hashtag. Yeah, he totally could have just said, hey, I don't think that two consenting

00:28:31.440 adults should go to jail for this, or I don't think it's the state's business to do this. And you

00:28:36.000 probably shouldn't do that. And that would have still weird, like right now, it's a little bit

00:28:41.360 weird that he went out of his way to select that particular issue. But at least he could have just

00:28:45.900 said, I have a general principle that I don't think the state should do this. It could apply to

00:28:50.620 anything, not just this one particular thing. And so I'm just pointing this out. Fair enough,

00:28:55.680 right? Again, weird, that would be the go out of your way to do that. But that would at least be

00:29:00.480 consistent with his reasoning. But when you specifically include the hashtag, including the T,

00:29:05.280 right, including the queer and trans stuff, he is specifically including and accepting the left's

00:29:12.200 frame about the community that this creates, right? He's buying into the narrative that this is all

00:29:17.880 one thing, that it has to be connected. And maybe they're right, right? Maybe they are right. Maybe

00:29:23.400 these things are inexplicably separated, which is something that the right is really busy arguing

00:29:29.480 against people out of, something that they seem, for the most part, more than fine to include. But

00:29:33.540 either way, the point is, he's going out of his way to include what are supposed to be parts of the

00:29:38.120 community that the right is now opposing, right? In some way, shape, or form. And again, that just

00:29:43.460 gives the obvious point that he sees these things as inherently connected, and that he's trying to

00:29:49.980 appeal to this, that this eventually will be the way forward for the right. They will look for a way to

00:29:56.120 pander to this stuff. And that's a reason that he's going out of a way to include that hashtag

00:30:01.320 and see himself as signaling to that entire, quote unquote, community.

00:30:05.740 Yeah. I see the right doing this a lot. And you know, I probably was more guilty of it a few years

00:30:10.300 ago than I am today. I think a lot of people, myself included, have just gotten into the realm of

00:30:14.800 really not caring. But I see a lot of Christian conservatives say things like,

00:30:19.460 it's not transphobic to be against the maiming of children's bodies, or it's not racist to point

00:30:26.320 out statistics or whatever. And I'm like, it doesn't matter if it is. It doesn't matter if it

00:30:31.340 is. It's okay. I don't like, okay, maybe it is transphobic. Maybe it is transphobic to say that I

00:30:36.300 don't believe that men can become women. Maybe it is homophobic to say that I believe in traditional

00:30:41.520 marriage. Why do people even waste time defending themselves against those accusations? Because, 0.99

00:30:47.120 look, the left, whether you like it or not, the left has already claimed authority over defining

00:30:52.620 those words, most words, actually, but especially those words. Like, I don't see the point in trying

00:30:58.240 to reclaim them or redeem them or like redeem feminism. I see that a lot still on the right. 1.00

00:31:04.060 Let's reclaim feminism. Why? Why? I don't want to defend myself against being an anti-feminist. I don't

00:31:11.180 want to defend myself against being anti-transphobic. I want to spend all my energy on actually saying what

00:31:17.000 is true. And they're going to call you trans. That's the thing. They're going to call you

00:31:20.480 transphobic anyway. It doesn't matter. Even if you say like you, I don't know if you've seen the

00:31:26.300 whole Clayton Kershaw thing, the LA Dodgers pitcher who he issued, you know, this statement last week

00:31:33.960 about the sisters of perpetual indulgence, this horrible sacrilegious anti-Christian drag group that 0.99

00:31:40.580 sexualizes the crucifixion publicly. They were, they were honored or are going to be honored at the LA 0.94

00:31:46.880 Dodgers pride night. And basically as an outspoken Christian, he comes out and he says,

00:31:51.760 well, you know, I have a problem with this. Not because it has anything to do with the LGBTQ 1.00

00:31:56.640 community. It has nothing to do with that. It has nothing to do with that. It just, I don't think

00:32:01.080 making fun of a religion is nice. And then he's now come out and said, well, I'm still going to play

00:32:05.960 the game at which the sisters of perpetual indulgence that are making a sexual mockery of my faith 0.93

00:32:12.100 are going to be honored. And his reasoning was, well, we're called to love everyone. Well,

00:32:19.600 we're not going to make it or we're not going to make it. If that's like, if that's the stance of a

00:32:25.140 lot of people on the right. And I think that it is like to carve out the tiniest, like piece of

00:32:31.180 opposition that you can. So maybe you can stave off criticism of being called homophobic and you're

00:32:36.400 still going to be called homophobic, which is really my point or transphobic. Then like, we're

00:32:41.500 just, it's hopeless. It's totally hopeless. Yeah. The left thrives by dialectics and the right dies

00:32:47.120 by them. We don't understand how this works. What does that mean? It means that when you are,

00:32:52.920 when you have a standard that is unassailable and you are standing behind it, no matter what,

00:33:00.700 no matter what the consequences, no matter what the language being threatened, thrown at you,

00:33:04.420 that shows something to people. I know they may not always say that they respect it,

00:33:09.860 but when you are unwilling and unbending, you show leadership, you show a dynamic quality and a,

00:33:14.980 an understanding and a rooting in truth that means something to people. That's what I think the right

00:33:21.120 flourishes in the left flourishes in the dissolving of those things. The, like we talked about the ripping

00:33:27.860 apart of those standards, the breaking down of those things. And so every time they can get you into a,

00:33:32.940 a conversation, a debate over each little wedge of those things, they get to peel off a little bit

00:33:39.420 of it each time may not seem much at first, but by the time you're done with it, the whole thing is

00:33:43.860 dismantled. And so that's why it's so dangerous for the right to do things like engage with leftist

00:33:49.240 newspeak. Homophobia is not a word. Transphobia is not a word. These are not real things. These are

00:33:56.600 political. Why did they attach phobia to the things? Anyone remember Islamophobia? Remember people 1.00

00:34:01.900 literally blew up buildings, murdered thousands of people. And what's the first thing they slapped on the

00:34:07.180 side of that? Phobia. Should be, you be scared of being murdered when someone blows up a thousand or more

00:34:12.860 people? Yes, that's not phobia. That's rational assessment of danger. But the term became politicized. The

00:34:21.700 newspeak was adopted. And all of a sudden noticing a pattern of like, Hey, all these people blowing stuff up

00:34:27.500 seem to share a common thing was phobic. And you don't want to be phobic, right? That means you're

00:34:33.840 weak. You're scared. You're irrational. That's what these terms are. They're politically charged

00:34:39.820 newspeak created specifically to box people into something. So no, I'm not homophobic or transphobic.

00:34:48.280 I just agree with the Bible. I just agree with most people throughout American history and the morals

00:34:56.140 that they had. That's how people need to approach this stuff. But of course, if you're somebody who

00:35:01.600 doesn't have those things, and like we said, this is a problem with the right. So many people on the

00:35:05.500 right can't invest in those things because they don't really believe them because they're the part of

00:35:10.120 the coalition doesn't value any of that stuff. And so they need to find some kind of weird, wishy-washy

00:35:16.160 middle ground. They don't have a solid basis and root of natural and higher order on which to stand.

00:35:23.580 And so they have to come up with this stuff. And so what do they end up doing? Defending

00:35:26.960 themselves against all those little, you know, wishy-washy words, using all those statements,

00:35:31.360 hedging all of their bets. And in each one of those battles, they lose a little bit more ground

00:35:35.340 until eventually, you know, Ted Cruz is talking about whether or not it's illegal to, you know, 0.71

00:35:41.040 have sex with kids in Uganda. 0.77

00:35:53.580 I saw a tweet, I think it was from Logan Hall the other day that he was like, one of the 0.99

00:36:00.920 differences between the right and the left is that the left rewards their fringes and the right

00:36:05.500 punishes theirs. I don't think it's necessarily bad to on the right say, oh, that truly is a fringe

00:36:13.420 and most of the right doesn't believe that. But he was talking about Chesa Boudin in particular.

00:36:19.480 I think he was what he was the DA of San Francisco, completely soft on crime. His parents were deadly

00:36:25.700 terrorists. He's a radical progressive. And of course, his policies and refusing to actually

00:36:31.340 crack down on crime led to all kinds of murder and chaos, as it always does, because progressives

00:36:37.200 don't understand human nature. And now he is being rewarded with I forget the university, it's Yale or

00:36:43.840 one of these Ivy Leagues that he is now going to be a professor of criminal justice at this place.

00:36:49.680 Lori Lightfoot, the same thing. She scored a prestigious position at Harvard. There is no record of

00:36:57.240 success whatsoever from Lori Lightfoot as the mayor of Chicago. But this is what happens. They take care of

00:37:02.960 their own. You know that, you know, Katie Hobbs is I think it was the press secretary or someone who worked

00:37:08.760 for her, the governor of Arizona, who, you know, made a meme the day after those Nashville kids were

00:37:15.080 shot by the woman who identified as transgender. She made a meme shooting trans folks. And sure, 0.97

00:37:22.020 she was made to resign. She's going to get taken care of. She's not going to be excised. There's no

00:37:27.600 one on the left who is going to be like she's too radical to touch. This Rolling Stones reporter,

00:37:32.380 EJ Dixon. She is literally advocated for pedophiles and for, you know, trying to satisfy pedophilia with

00:37:42.260 child sex robots. She's a senior writer at Rolling Stones. She wrote that back in 2014. There's nothing 0.99

00:37:48.800 too radical, I think, that someone on the left can say that's going to stop them from getting new

00:37:53.720 opportunities. There are a lot of things on the right that you cannot say if you want to continue to be

00:37:59.480 friendly with mainstream conservatives. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, look at the weather

00:38:03.580 underground. They literally set bombs and tried to murder people and ended up all getting like

00:38:09.420 professorships. I think that was Chesapeake's parents.

00:38:11.840 Was she in the weather? Quite possibly. But I forget the guy who's Barack Obama, one of Barack

00:38:17.520 Obama's mentors, right, after being in the weather underground. So absolutely, these guys get

00:38:21.860 sinecures in universities. They get they become influential inside the Democratic Party. You can

00:38:27.180 literally become a terrorist and then get paid a ton of money and influence the next president of the

00:38:32.320 United States. That's how the left treats their radicals. The right understands the game, whether

00:38:38.340 they'll say it or not. You can't go beyond certain barriers. You can't go beyond certain things. And if

00:38:45.300 you do, you are destroyed forever. You're not just not in some little way and on some minor, oh, we'll get

00:38:50.800 you a job somewhere else. Don't worry. You are obliterated. You can't earn money. You can't do you can't

00:38:56.060 bank. No one in the right will talk to you. Everyone on the right understands that. And so

00:39:00.520 that means the left can go as crazy and insane and as far left all the way literally to terrorism if 0.96

00:39:05.880 they want. And that will only advance their careers in leftist politics. The right has to be careful 0.57

00:39:11.920 about saying anything at all, because at any moment they're going to get destroyed. And the thing is,

00:39:17.980 the right is really excited to aggressively police people on the right for the benefit of the left.

00:39:23.940 They love it. They love to, the people, you know, love to run out and go, oh, I'm not as bad as that

00:39:29.120 guy. See, now you can write a New York Times article about your strange new respect for me, right?

00:39:34.060 And that's what Ted Cruz did when he was going back and forth with Jenna Ellis. Like, you know,

00:39:37.900 that's what he was trying to do. See, I'm not her.

00:39:40.800 Yeah, absolutely. They know, again, at the end of the day, as the people who we paint as the craziest,

00:39:47.760 farthest right, or not that we paint, the media paints, as the craziest far right people like Ted Cruz

00:39:52.040 are really not at all. They're really not that far right. Look, look at Donald Trump. Donald Trump

00:39:56.560 is a blue dog Democrat, okay? Totally.

00:39:59.040 Yeah, he doesn't have almost any opinions that would have been considered, you know, right wing

00:40:04.020 just a few decades ago. You know, he's more radical than Barack Obama was on gay marriage

00:40:09.900 and pride acceptance, right? Yeah, totally.

00:40:11.880 And this guy is a crazy Nazi fascist, right? He's the farthest right anyone can have. 1.00

00:40:16.260 But we laugh at that, but the left understands what they're doing. They're anchoring

00:40:20.700 the political views in the United States. They're creating an Overton window that stops at Donald

00:40:25.260 Trump. The farthest right you can be is a blue dog Democrat from a few decades ago. That is the 0.85

00:40:30.360 craziest right wing position available. And no one could be beyond Trump because he's already a crazy 1.00

00:40:35.200 Nazi, right? And so if you went beyond Trump, then what would that make you? And so by establishing 0.98

00:40:40.340 those barriers by making sure that you can punish anyone beyond that, even on the right, where the

00:40:47.060 right is incentivized to do that, you ensure that we always move left. That's key.

00:40:51.840 I don't know if there's any true social conservatives on the federal level. Maybe Chip Roy. I really like

00:40:57.420 Chip Roy, the representative from Texas. But when it comes to Congress, like, are there any even

00:41:02.740 Republicans who are willing to say something that the vast majority of people in the United States

00:41:07.420 were saying just in 2015? I mean, 60 percent of Americans in 2015, right before Obergefell,

00:41:14.160 believed that homosexuality is something that shouldn't be mainstreamed or upheld in society.

00:41:18.900 Obviously, that has dramatically changed over the past few years. But there's not even any

00:41:25.180 Republicans that I can think of that are willing to stand up and say what most people were saying in

00:41:29.440 2015, that, you know what, consenting adults can do what they want to. But as far as what we're going

00:41:34.900 to build this foundation of or what is we're going to build our country on, as far as what we are going

00:41:39.880 to uphold, as far as what is right and biblical, it's marriage between a man and a woman. I don't 1.00

00:41:45.320 know that I know I can think of any Republicans that would stand up and say that today.

00:41:50.060 We have a serious mechanical problem, and it's that the left is built on its right to rule.

00:41:56.920 They are built on their right to expand government and control everything.

00:42:00.180 They have no hesitation to say this. They want to unify everything, they want to centralize power,

00:42:05.860 and they want to be able to dictate to everyone what the morality of the country will be.

00:42:10.760 On the right, we believe in subsidiarity, we believe in federalism, we believe that communities

00:42:16.020 best govern themselves, and the government shouldn't have an overarching role in controlling

00:42:21.180 everything. I think that's actually a better system in many ways. I don't think civilization

00:42:25.400 actually scales to the size of our now global empire that we call the United States.

00:42:30.180 And it would be better if we could find a way to devolve power back down to those things. But at

00:42:36.080 the moment, that doesn't matter because that's not the reality we face. The truth is we have a

00:42:41.500 Leviathan state. And the truth is that Leviathan state is wielded in a way which it enforces these

00:42:47.860 norms across the board. And if those massive institutions, which now dictate every aspect of human life,

00:42:54.620 are ordered towards your enemy's morality, that is what everyone will adopt.

00:43:00.520 And we just have a problem because that gives an out to every GOP congressman because they can

00:43:05.420 always say like, but we don't believe that. We don't believe that's the role of government. We

00:43:08.900 don't believe that's the role of state. Well, that's great, but you're not doing anything to

00:43:12.080 dismantle that. What's the libertarian record on dismantling the state? What's the conservative

00:43:16.460 record on dismantling the state? Utter failure. Just an unbroken string of complete devastating losses

00:43:24.080 while the left advances and centralizes the state and pushes all of this stuff because the right

00:43:29.620 implicitly says we won't take part in it. Do you think DeSantis is a break from that? Like,

00:43:34.660 do you think that he sees things a little differently than the average Republican as far as

00:43:38.440 using state power to fight back against what you would call the total state like Disney?

00:43:43.640 I think he's definitely a change in that in a good way. It's a positive thing that Ron DeSantis is

00:43:49.540 obviously willing to say, uh, we don't do that here. Uh, and where the state will tell you,

00:43:54.360 we don't do that here. Uh, I think that, um, while those are all positive advancements on Ron DeSantis,

00:44:00.240 I still don't think that even he is willing to say, or look at kind of the depth of kind of the

00:44:07.240 problem we have, uh, which isn't to say that, you know, the things he is doing and the actions he's

00:44:12.480 taking in Florida are not positive advancements. They actually, they absolutely are. But I think even he

00:44:17.660 is kind of, everything is couched in this limited government vision. Everything is couched in kind

00:44:23.040 of, uh, in a way that I think still perhaps limits for some people, but maybe those are steps that get

00:44:28.980 you to that understanding. We really are in a position again, where if Ron DeSantis was in the

00:44:35.760 white house tomorrow, I don't know that he could make the changes that even he wants to make because

00:44:40.100 the infrastructure that is kind of littered throughout the, uh, you know, the deep state as a lot of people

00:44:45.420 like to call it is so thoroughly progressive that even if he went in with the mindset to

00:44:50.940 completely use state power and completely shift the country in an opposite direction, uh, he would

00:44:56.260 be fighting, uh, the entire internal, uh, state apparatus the whole time, which we see what that

00:45:02.780 did to Donald Trump. I mean, Donald Trump literally just got lied to by his generals about what the

00:45:07.600 military is doing. He's the commander in chief. That's by all definitions, a coup and it happened. And we

00:45:13.280 just don't talk about it because then we'd have to think about what that means about the constitution.

00:45:17.080 Yeah. Yeah. That's interesting. I mean, I do think that it does seem to me that DeSantis would go into

00:45:23.680 the presidency with the thought that I'm going to rework all of this, just things that he's done

00:45:28.140 in Florida, like actually go after those prosecutors with power and say, no, you're, you're not going to

00:45:33.860 do this. These Soros backed prosecutors. I was very impressed by that move because I just don't see most

00:45:38.840 governors do do that. They kind of posture and they say, oh, this is so bad George Soros, but they

00:45:44.660 won't actually do anything about it. Now Republican governors have less of an excuse because you've got 0.93

00:45:50.560 someone like Ron DeSantis saying, no, I'm actually going to do this. And people like it. I think that

00:45:55.720 is a huge benefit to the things that he's doing, that it gives fewer excuses to other Republican

00:46:02.400 governors to do what they've always done, which is to sit on their hands and to say, yay, corporations

00:46:07.800 come here, which is kind of the tactic that like Nikki Haley is employing right now. Like she 0.99

00:46:12.380 actually had the audacity to say, oh, if I were in, you know, if she acts like she's like still

00:46:17.680 like something in South Carolina, but she will say, um, she said, you know, I, if, if Disney wants to

00:46:25.600 come here to South Carolina, yeah, I'm so sure that the people of Columbia, South Carolina would like

00:46:33.280 Disney and all of their policies to start coming in and infecting their schools with the different

00:46:39.080 kinds of curriculum that they were in Florida. Like to me, that just represents another level

00:46:44.640 of not getting it, of not understanding where in the world we are when it comes to the total state.

00:46:50.500 And I want you to talk more about the total state because that's what you talk about a lot.

00:46:54.160 What is it and why are so many people blind to it still?

00:46:56.940 Well, I think that all of us have noticed that government doesn't really work the way

00:47:02.480 that we had it explained to us in our high school civics class. I mean, we're supposed to have a

00:47:06.520 constitution, supposed to have a bill of rights, separation of powers, checks and balances, all

00:47:10.360 that great stuff from Baron de Montesquieu that got brought into the constitution that along with

00:47:15.520 our democratic will expressed through the popular sovereignty, electing our representatives,

00:47:20.500 all this stuff was supposed to check the power of the state, keep it controlled, make sure that it

00:47:24.060 only works for our liberty. It exists only to defend our rights and nothing else, right? This is all

00:47:28.100 the stuff that Thomas Jefferson was promising in the Declaration of Independence. But now we look at

00:47:33.680 our state and during COVID, they can just lock everybody inside and force everyone to wear masks

00:47:39.120 and demand that they get a injection if they want to work and close down all the churches and arrest

00:47:45.880 pastors. And by the way, abortion clinics are open, liquor stores are open, big stock retailers are open,

00:47:51.020 Amazon's making profits out the wazoo as they don't have to the democratic party. But all those

00:47:55.460 mid-level businesses that were keeping the republican party up, all of them had to close down. Who knew,

00:48:00.420 right? It seems like the power of the state, again, Douglas Mackey facing 10 years in jail for posting a

00:48:05.760 meme. Like, where is the first amendment, right? These are all supposed to be things that are defended,

00:48:10.520 but we clearly see that's not the case. And people are wondering what's going on, right? Why doesn't

00:48:16.800 constitution do that? And I think what we're noticing is the total state. You know, when we

00:48:21.940 lived, if we lived in Nazi Germany, or if we lived in Soviet Russia, we would understand why everything

00:48:29.460 speaks with one voice. Because those are totalitarian states. They have a explicit top-down government that

00:48:35.860 tells everybody what to believe and how businesses or organizations are going to run, what kind of

00:48:40.580 propaganda is going to be pushed. But in the United States, we don't have that. And yet our media,

00:48:44.660 our corporations, our private institutions, NGOs, our government, our education system,

00:48:51.300 all push the same thing at the same time. How does that happen if we don't have a Politburo? And I

00:48:56.400 think that's what the total state is. It's the fact that our Western liberal democracies

00:49:00.860 didn't defend us from this tendency of power the way we thought that they did.

00:49:14.660 I want to put up some examples, some pictures that if you're watching on YouTube, you'll be able to

00:49:24.160 see. And you have tweeted a lot of them out, just showing the total state. Obviously, we know all the

00:49:30.400 corporations that are pushing pride. I've actually been a little surprised. Some corporations I haven't

00:49:36.320 seen doing pride this year, which is interesting. I haven't gotten into my analysis of why that is.

00:49:41.160 Companies that I know are not Christian conservative, I haven't seen posting rainbows. But 0.62

00:49:45.840 it doesn't really matter because most major corporations certainly are. Target wasn't

00:49:51.040 scared at all to push tucking bathing suits that could fit children, partner with an open Satanist

00:49:56.720 to basically threaten people who believe that men can't become women. The Department of Agriculture

00:50:01.740 decided for some reason that they needed to light up their building in rainbow colors. And then they

00:50:07.940 also put the rainbow pride flag emoji and the transgender flag emoji. So again, we've connected

00:50:16.480 all of it. There's no like boundary or barrier there. The Department of Defense tweeted this pride

00:50:24.080 month, we honor the service commitment and sacrifice of the LGBTQ plus service members and personnel who

00:50:29.860 volunteer to defend our country. This was tweeted out by Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin.

00:50:37.940 And then the Army and the Air Force official Twitter accounts retweeted his statement.

00:50:43.720 The Navy also issued its own statement. Remember, the Navy christened a ship, the US in as Harvey

00:50:52.520 Milk in 2021 in the San Francisco International Airport recently named a terminal after him. I'm pretty

00:50:57.540 sure that he's like a pedophile. So there we go. There we go. And then you've got the Veterans 0.99

00:51:05.220 Affairs Affair or the VA Health Hospital outside Des Moines, Iowa. They tweeted out a picture

00:51:12.060 posting of the flag in front of the VA, the trans and the pride flag put together. They're excited

00:51:22.060 about that. And then you also have the Secretary of Education, Miguel Cardona. He put up a picture of,

00:51:31.780 I guess, what's in front of their building, an American flag and then the trans pride flag

00:51:37.560 underneath it. So why is this the state religion? Even more than BLM, even more than some of the 0.92

00:51:46.340 other progressive tenets, it seems like sexual preference and gender confusion are the things

00:51:53.020 that they're hoisting up as like their idol, their emblem. Why is that?

00:51:57.080 Well, you know, we have separation of church and state in the United States, or at least

00:52:02.240 that's the kind of the modern idea is that there's this barrier between the state and

00:52:09.420 religion and the state can't adopt any form of religion in its official functions. And

00:52:14.680 whether we understand that or not, political restrictions eventually stretch down to our

00:52:19.700 private, you know, kind of interactions as well, which is why corporations and all these

00:52:24.020 things also basically banned all of those things from our public square. But humans are deeply

00:52:30.080 narrative creatures. We're deeply religious. We can talk a pretense about how we've moved beyond

00:52:35.260 this stuff, fairy stories, blah, blah, blah. It's such a lie. Like at our core, we know that there's

00:52:41.840 something beyond us and we have to interact with the world around us. We have to put things in a moral

00:52:46.660 framework that will be founded in some kind of religious narrative. And so when we banned

00:52:51.160 the use of Christianity or other traditions, traditional religions from our public square,

00:52:57.740 we created basically a bunch of selection pressures that would allow a system that can

00:53:03.420 circumvent those restrictions to kind of take hold. And so the great thing about wokeness or

00:53:09.500 progressivism, as I kind of prefer to call it, because wokeness has now become a term that's very,

00:53:13.860 very difficult for people to get a handle on. But progressivism doesn't have a whole official

00:53:17.980 holy book. It doesn't have an official church. And so because it's a ideology that does kind of

00:53:23.460 bind these things and create a moral narrative and create a kind of a spiritual framework, even though

00:53:28.860 it's a secular, you know, explicitly non-deistic framework, it is allowed into all those public

00:53:35.740 institutions. And because we are narrative creatures, there's this God-shaped hole that had

00:53:40.480 to get filled. These organizations do have to orient themselves towards some vision of the good.

00:53:44.620 And since all the Christian vision and all the other traditionally religious visions were banned

00:53:49.940 from those places, the only one that could fill that void was progressivism. And so now we've

00:53:55.340 slowly watched as progressivism, which has been the only thing that's been allowed to be promoted

00:53:59.900 in schools and in universities and government organizations and corporations, has basically pushed

00:54:06.320 all Christianity out of the public square. And this means that they need a new way to have identities, 0.99

00:54:12.680 a new way to bind things together. And we have made that advancement of kind of civil rights.

00:54:18.160 We've made that advancement of rights and kind of individual choice as like the key lodestone for

00:54:24.860 our religious narrative, the center part of this. And that's why all of these government organizations

00:54:31.420 are now oriented towards this because it became our de facto state religion because everything else was

00:54:36.520 banned. Yeah. Interesting. Romans 1 made manifest, I think. I saw that there was a tweet that said that

00:54:46.040 there are 50 plus, maybe it was 100, LGBTQ advocacy groups calling out Target for bowing, what they would

00:54:56.280 say, to right-wing extremists and moving some of their pride displays to the back of the store. And they're

00:55:02.800 demanding that they put their displays to the front of the store again, double down on their efforts to promote

00:55:09.540 the mutilation of people's bodies. And something that they said I thought was interesting. They said, there's no such

00:55:16.460 thing as neutrality, that you can't be neutral in this fight. The left understands something that most people

00:55:24.900 on the right don't. Like we were talking about, you know, liberals wanting to go back to 1995 or whenever they

00:55:30.820 believed that everything was neutral. No, that was just the time that we took, or maybe it's further

00:55:35.460 back than that, but took Christian values being ubiquitous for granted. We just didn't realize that

00:55:41.100 what was being upheld were Christian values because we thought it was just, well, it's always going to 0.99

00:55:45.060 be this way. But the left understands something that the right doesn't, that there's no neutrality.

00:55:50.660 It's just not going to happen. So I thought that that was interesting. Progressives get that.

00:55:55.040 Yeah, absolutely. We like to pretend that American values were just this organic thing that didn't

00:56:02.420 have any connection to, you know, religion or tradition. But of course, the only reason that

00:56:06.660 we thought these things could be neutral is they were all basically, you know, a version of the

00:56:11.540 Protestant Christian ethos. The reason that we thought we could have kind of this level of separation of 0.86

00:56:16.360 church and state and neutrality was that we just kind of assumed that everyone in the United States

00:56:19.980 would just be to figure out kind of like what branch or what division of the, you know,

00:56:24.480 Protestant Christian tradition they would be following. There were still serious disagreements,

00:56:28.740 but there was enough of a shared culture to make it feel like there was a neutral ground on which

00:56:33.420 everyone could stand. And that's kind of how communities work. Like there just is no way

00:56:38.340 for two existentially opposed moral visions to exist inside a polity. It cannot happen. One will

00:56:48.120 rule the other, one will separate from the other, or one will eliminate the other.

00:56:53.000 None of those are great options. All of those feel really icky for us, but there is a political

00:56:57.640 reality that's taking place here. And the left, like you said, is very aware of the stakes and

00:57:02.880 they're playing for keeps because they know what's happening here. The right is still in denial about

00:57:07.980 that fact. And the continued inability to understand the friend-enemy distinction, to understand the

00:57:14.900 process that is occurring inside the United States is something that is going to harm the right until

00:57:20.180 they put a grasp on it. So what do you think can turn things around then? It doesn't sound like

00:57:37.720 you're very hopeful. A lot of times I'm not either. Although, I mean, there are obviously good things

00:57:43.100 that have happened. I think the Supreme Court decision on Dobbs was the result of the efforts of

00:57:48.480 decades and decades of really just grassroots people pushing back against abortion that eventually led

00:57:56.200 to a law that made its way to the Supreme Court. But it took a really long time, a really long time,

00:58:02.640 the right basically serving up everything for politicians and begging them. They're saying,

00:58:09.200 we're saying, we want this. We'll make it as easy as possible for you. We'll write the law,

00:58:14.340 just like put it in front of the governor. And it still took almost 50 years for it to happen. But

00:58:21.760 that did happen. I do think some of DeSantis' moves and some other Republican states, you know,

00:58:28.240 banning drag queen shows for kids, banning, you know, bodily mutilation and puberty blockers for kids.

00:58:34.680 I do think some on the right are getting it. But then, of course, I get really discouraged when I see

00:58:39.860 people on the right, not understanding the moment that we're in or what sometimes people say, like,

00:58:45.620 what time it is. So where do we go from here? Like, do you have any hope? What does that hope

00:58:51.280 look like? I don't know. I'm just interested, like, to hear what do you think the next 10 years holds

00:58:57.920 for us? Well, I don't have any short-term good news, but I think I have long-term good news.

00:59:03.140 Okay, I'm ready. So what we're seeing here is an understanding of the actual situation. So for

00:59:09.500 instance, when you look at Dobbs, why does that work, right? Did that situation work because of

00:59:16.920 the large popular will expressed over time by the American electorate? No, it worked because the right

00:59:23.820 took very particular care to apply pressure to very particular groups and a group of elite people

00:59:31.080 gathered together around a particular cause, focused on it relentlessly, put pressure on the right

00:59:36.480 areas of American government, isolated those, and they achieved a significant outcome. And that is

00:59:43.120 something that I think the right needs to grasp. Sorry, but the popular argument is not what actually

00:59:48.480 drives politics. The popular argument follows. Exactly. California was voting against gay marriage

00:59:55.260 not that long ago. California. 2008. And now Republican senators can't imagine a

01:00:01.020 world in which they don't stand up to protect the sacred right. Right. You think Kevin McCarthy's

01:00:05.860 going to be like, I'm holding down the fort for the traditional family here in California. Even

01:00:10.220 though I think the people of Bakersfield would probably, as to your point, the people that he

01:00:14.540 represents probably would be great with him doing that. People in middle California are very

01:00:17.980 conservative, but it's not about majority opinion. Right. Culture is downstream from power. 0.83

01:00:23.680 Yeah. And when power told everybody, this is what we believe now and this is what the law

01:00:28.960 is, things shifted. Why are companies woke? Because they're legally required to be.

01:00:35.100 Yeah. Because they will get sued into oblivion and fined into oblivion by the government if they don't do

01:00:41.440 what they have to do. Republicans, the right conservatives need to grasp that. I think that

01:00:49.000 we're seeing that with the shifts of those laws you're talking about. We have a lot of people

01:00:54.360 complaining. Oh, I can't trans my kid. I'm leaving. Great. Fantastic. That's good news. No, 1.00

01:01:01.280 I'm serious. That's great news. We should sort. We should encourage the great sort. You don't want

01:01:07.760 to be in a place where you can't mutilate your children, move to one where you can. You don't

01:01:12.460 want to be in a place where they're mutilating children, move to one where they can't. And by

01:01:16.680 doing that, we can put people in communities where they can actually, once again, have solid,

01:01:22.820 coherent values. One of the main problems, we love our economic mobility, right? That's what we hear

01:01:27.900 all the time. Go out, you know, young guy, get a job, move across the country, leave your family,

01:01:32.660 find a job somewhere else. That's the American dream, you know, but there's a problem. You're

01:01:36.840 shattering communities. You're pulling out about apart people with similar values, similar

01:01:41.900 traditions, and you're scattering them across the country. And that's one of the big problems we

01:01:45.800 face is that we don't live next to people who agree with us anymore. Our, you know, our disagreements

01:01:52.540 are by zip code, not by state. And that means that it's hard for one state or another to have a coherent

01:01:58.920 moral philosophy. But if you have a situation where laws are basically, I mean, the left already

01:02:04.700 basically makes it illegal to be a conservative in many of the states in the United States.

01:02:09.160 So return the favor, make it impossible for people who want to do this stuff that are extreme

01:02:15.180 to be in your state. You know, you want to have a partial birth version? Well, don't live here.

01:02:19.920 You got to go, right? And by doing that kind of stuff, we put a scenario in place where people

01:02:26.400 like Ron DeSantis, strong governors who are willing to make those advancements can secure,

01:02:31.700 you know, conservative hedges that can create regional power. And I think that, and I love

01:02:37.080 Ron DeSantis, but this is why I encouraged him, you know, not that he's listening to me. I don't

01:02:41.360 have Ron DeSantis bat phone, but I said this many times, it's more effective for him to set a standard

01:02:46.580 for how power is assembled at the regional level and how to protect those things over time so that

01:02:52.640 we can have a solid example of how the right can protect and grow areas of the country that agree

01:02:58.900 with it rather than go to the federal level and just get ground into the dust by the deep state.

01:03:04.560 And so I think the good news, the short term is that there's no immediate solution, but the good

01:03:09.880 news is long-term we can create a scenario where these states become more self-sustaining, where

01:03:14.820 they become more, uh, they become more value homogenous, where we have people who actually have

01:03:20.400 the same tradition, have the same values, live in the same place and can create a society that has

01:03:25.200 one coherent moral vision that can actually oppose progressivism rather than being scattered across

01:03:30.080 the 50 states and dying piece by piece to the leftist attack. Yeah. Hmm. Okay. Well, I guess that

01:03:38.780 in some ways is positive, is positive news. Are you, are you worried or hopeful about the kind of

01:03:47.980 grassroots activism that we see on the right in the boycotts, in the pushing back against the drag

01:03:57.220 shows and the showing up to the school board meetings? The SPLC just dubbed Moms for Liberty a 1.00

01:04:04.520 hate group right next to the KKK. Um, and that's, I mean, the, it's just, the heat is going to get

01:04:11.220 hotter. Absolutely. But it does seem like there is a new fervor among the right to say no.

01:04:17.980 We're not tolerating this. Are you, are you happy about that? Or do you think it's kind of fruitless

01:04:24.400 in the short term? I think it's good. Not even fruitless, but counterproductive because they use

01:04:29.400 it to then say you're terrorists and you're really the problem. All these poor victims who are just

01:04:34.880 trying to twerk for children. Yeah, no, I think that it's good, but it has to be properly utilized.

01:04:41.440 So the popular energy is powerful. And if it's used and harnessed by a movement that understands

01:04:49.160 what it's doing, it can make lasting changes to institutions. And that is what makes a difference.

01:04:55.560 The left doesn't care about any one given election because it owns so many institutions that the 0.57

01:05:01.780 pendulum swing of democracy doesn't really matter because the leftist agenda is advanced through

01:05:07.220 education and media and NGOs and the deep state and all of these things, no matter who happens to

01:05:13.400 be in office, things can move further to the left while Trump is in office, even if he opposes those

01:05:17.640 things, because all of the leftist institutions are still pushing against it. The right can use this

01:05:22.760 popular energy to create meaningful changes. The kind of thing that we're talking about with Ron

01:05:27.380 DeSantis, things that actually do that actually obtain power, but obtaining power has to become

01:05:33.040 the goal, not just, you know, uh, making a company sad about their lost profits, those kinds of things,

01:05:39.920 but saying, how do we use this victory to then parlay this into legislation, into institutions,

01:05:47.460 into requirements that will make sure that we have additional power to then win the next thing.

01:05:54.340 If you just use it to be outraged and feel good in the moment to get that quick hit of victory,

01:06:00.900 but then it all subsides, then it becomes what you're talking about. The left can then swing it

01:06:05.880 and be clear. The left is going to do this anyway. The left is working to criminalize political dissent

01:06:10.360 in the United States. That's a difficult thing to say, but it's just the truth. The SPLC, the Southern

01:06:15.560 Poverty Law Center is doing what they're doing because they know they can pair with the FBI and the FBI

01:06:20.140 will use that to, uh, to attack and destroy the lives of people who don't want this stuff pushed

01:06:26.520 on their children. They are actively using a, the secret police of the United States to destroy

01:06:33.100 political opposition. Again, terrifying thing to say out loud. We've already seen it with pro-lifers

01:06:37.580 with Mark Hawk, that guy in Pennsylvania who was just defending his kid from this pro-abortion

01:06:42.180 harasser. I mean, he had the FBI not just come like, Hey, we just want to talk to you. What happened with

01:06:47.740 this incident? But the FBI came into his home while all of his young children were there and he was

01:06:53.560 arrested. So, I mean, that kind of thing is already happening even as the pro-abortion terrorists

01:06:59.860 basically go unscathed. So yeah, if they'll raid a president right before midterm election to rig the

01:07:05.320 election, they'll certainly do it to you. And so, so to be really clear, that's why the SPLC knows what

01:07:11.020 they're doing. Yeah. They know that it's a strategy specifically designed to, yeah, they know what

01:07:16.260 they're doing. They're specifically using this to wield the state. It's, it's not, it's not a

01:07:20.200 private organization doing goodwill thing. It's a, it's a, uh, it's a concerted effort to wield the

01:07:26.260 state to destroy their political enemies. And so they're going to do that no matter what. And so

01:07:30.700 that means that doesn't mean don't stand up. That doesn't mean don't take popular action. That

01:07:34.820 doesn't mean do nothing, but it means make sure it counts. Make sure you're winning something when you

01:07:38.660 do it. Make sure it's not just you, you people, the massive people will always be motivated by

01:07:43.820 something that's winning, feeling good, feeling that momentum. There's nothing wrong with that.

01:07:47.040 That's great. But we just have to have a political class and activist class, a movement that is

01:07:52.340 disciplined enough to say, okay, now that you are doing that, let's turn that into wins down the

01:07:56.320 road and not just a momentary thing that feels good, but then gets splashed back on us by our

01:08:00.360 enemies. And I do think we are seeing that with some of the legislation being passed by governors

01:08:04.640 when it comes to protecting children's bodies and children's rights, that wouldn't be happening if

01:08:08.820 they didn't feel the pressure of the power of parents who are saying, no, no more. They wouldn't

01:08:14.420 be doing that just to make a statement. They're doing that because they feel that the power has

01:08:19.600 shifted a little bit, at least on that issue. And I think hopefully that's a good sign. 0.55

01:08:24.860 Okay, Warren, where can people follow you, find you, listen to your show?

01:08:28.380 Of course, I've got the show on Blaze TV. You can subscribe to the Oren McIntyre podcast on all

01:08:32.440 your favorite podcast platforms. I've got a YouTube channel, Rumble Odyssey,

01:08:36.540 Oren McIntyre on Twitter and Gab, all of those things.

01:08:40.260 Okay, awesome. Thanks so much, Oren.

01:08:41.740 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 07, 2023

Ep 818 ｜ How LGBTQ Became Our State Religion ｜ Guest： Auron MacIntyre

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