Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 828 ｜ I Called Obama Evil. Christians Got Mad. Who’s Right？

00:00:00.000 Over the weekend, Barack Obama lamented restrictions on abortion that have been put in place since the overturning of Roe v. Wade last year and celebrated that many states are creating a constitutional right to the slaughter of children.

00:00:16.980 And I said that he is evil for saying this. And some Christians took issue with that description, deeming it divisive or unkind or unhelpful. Were they right? We'll dig into all of this today on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie at checkout. That's GoodRanchers.com. Code Allie. 1.00

00:00:46.980 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. I don't know about you, but it is really heating up where I am. Like, like uncomfortable levels to the point to where even getting in a pool, you find no relief.

00:01:09.740 Yeah, I chose to wear a sweater today. I'm not really sure why. I kind of feel like Regina George when they made fun of her for wearing sweatpants on Wednesday. And I'm like, it's the only thing that fits me right now.

00:01:19.640 So I felt about choosing this sweater today as I am 31 weeks pregnant. And this is one of the only things that can fit me right now. As I was leaving, my husband was like, you are wearing a sweater and it is going to be in triple digits today.

00:01:33.660 I was like, you know what? Just let me live my life. So we'll see. We'll see if I can get this, get through this episode without sweating bullets. Speaking of clothing, we've got some merch items coming out this week that I'm so excited about. Relatable bros. Finally, this is your time. This is your time.

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00:02:43.220 Uh, okay. Also, before we get started, if you love this podcast, please leave us a five-star

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00:02:54.520 It encourages and buoys the relatable team. So thank you so much. If you love this show,

00:03:00.240 leave a five-star review. Okay. Last thing before I get into what this episode is actually about,

00:03:06.500 it's just a little Monday encouragement. As we always do, just do the next right thing

00:03:12.360 in faith with excellence and for the glory of God, that is always enough. And in fact,

00:03:17.240 as finite humans, as fallible people, as human beings with a limited capacity to do anything,

00:03:25.340 that's really the only thing we are called to do. And the only thing we are capable of doing

00:03:30.320 is the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That doesn't always

00:03:35.480 mean something, uh, major and public to make a lot of waves. Maybe it does, but it can also

00:03:42.340 mean changing the next diaper with joy, having the next conversation be sprinkled with grace,

00:03:48.280 sending that email at work with, uh, excellence and enthusiasm, or it could be making the next

00:03:55.720 big step of faith that, you know, that God has been calling you or you and your family too.

00:04:01.500 So the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God, I was just thinking

00:04:09.180 yesterday about the freedom that comes from that and the freedom that is granted to only worry about

00:04:15.480 that because of the gospel. And we don't have to expend all of this energy trying to prove our value

00:04:22.960 or to show our worth or to be acceptable or gain approval before God. We were singing in church

00:04:28.840 yesterday, all sufficient merit, which is one of my new favorites. I love that song. It's not new,

00:04:34.800 but it's kind of newer to me over the last year or so. And just the freedom, the liberation,

00:04:39.680 the joy that comes from knowing that Christ has given his righteousness to us, that we can stand

00:04:47.100 before God fully approved, fully pure, fully righteous, no matter what we've done. If by grace

00:04:54.480 through faith, we have been saved by Christ. What amazing and freeing and joy inducing news is that,

00:05:02.920 that we don't have to worry about proving ourselves to God or climbing our way up to God. But the unique

00:05:08.900 part of Christianity is that Christ actually came down to us. God actually came down to us. He

00:05:15.480 condescended himself to become flesh and to die the death that we deserve to die on our behalf. That is 0.73

00:05:23.000 great, amazing, freeing news. And that frees us to only worry about doing the next right thing in faith

00:05:29.820 with excellence and for the glory of God. And even that is powered by God, by the Holy Spirit. That

00:05:35.300 doesn't even come from our own efforts. All right. So I just wanted to start the episode with that

00:05:41.500 little bit of good news. And then we're going to talk about, I don't know if it's sad news. It's anger.

00:05:47.540 I mean, it's anger inducing. And that is Obama's reaction to the anniversary of Roe v. Wade being

00:05:56.760 overturned. Now, this is not surprising what he has to say. However, it is evil. It is. I mean,

00:06:03.300 it's stomach churning. It's heartbreaking. And what I find even more heartbreaking is the reaction

00:06:08.820 to what he said by some Christians. And we're going to talk about not just this tweet and what it

00:06:15.980 represents, but my response to the tweet and then the response to my response by some who I would say

00:06:22.640 represent what I would call third way ism. And I'll explain what I mean by that throughout the

00:06:29.660 episode. This idea that as a Christian, we shouldn't be on the right. We shouldn't be on the left. We

00:06:34.180 shouldn't necessarily be supporting all Republican policies or all Democrat policies. But there is like

00:06:39.860 a third higher transcendent way of Christ that kind of brings together both sides of the aisle because

00:06:46.020 both sides of the aisle, this idea would go are like equally imperfect and equally corrupt. And so

00:06:52.120 we must choose a higher, better way. It sounds good. I see some flaws in that. And one of the flaws

00:06:59.840 that I see represented is actually kind of embodied in the responses to my response to Obama. But we're

00:07:05.360 going to spend some time talking actually about abortion policy in the United States and what is

00:07:10.360 actually true about it. Because gosh, this still is an issue somehow that trips professing Christians up

00:07:15.280 that still in the name of empathy, there are Christians who think that we need to have a

00:07:19.960 nuanced approach to how we limit the slaughter of children on the legal level. And that's very

00:07:25.760 disturbing to me. It's very sad to me. I know that because I have the stance that I do on this issue,

00:07:32.180 there will be people professing Christians who say that I'm mean because of this, who will say that 0.97

00:07:37.000 this is hateful, who will say that this is arrogant to have the stance that I do. But I think that there is

00:07:43.120 nothing less arrogant than standing up for the voiceless, defenseless babies in the womb who

00:07:49.280 at the very least deserve a legal right to not be murdered as the rest of us do, right? Life,

00:07:56.800 liberty, pursuit of happiness guaranteed in the Declaration of Independence for a reason.

00:08:13.120 Okay, Barack Obama, you might remember, he was the President of the United States at one point.

00:08:20.980 He tweeted this just a couple days ago on the anniversary of the overturning of Roe v. Wade,

00:08:27.640 which, wow, I'm still just praising God that he allowed that to happen after 50 years, 50 years of

00:08:34.560 effort by pro-lifers and mostly pro-life Christians who advocate on behalf of the rights of the unborn.

00:08:40.420 He says it's been a year since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Since then,

00:08:46.120 14 states have banned most abortions, leaving millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn

00:08:51.900 for the care they need. And yet, he says there are reasons to hope. After Roe v. Wade was overturned,

00:08:58.420 voters in Michigan, California and Vermont helped enshrine abortion rights in their state constitutions 0.99

00:09:03.400 and governors in states like Nevada, Hawaii and Pennsylvania have signed executive orders to protect

00:09:09.820 abortion access. Wow, I have so much to say about every single line of that tweet. But first,

00:09:18.640 I mean, this is besides the point. I just want to point out something that I just kind of realized

00:09:22.880 as I was reading this, leaving millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn. What about all the

00:09:28.800 men that I hear about having babies? I heard that men can have babies. Any individual can have a baby.

00:09:35.260 Wow, Obama, so regressive, so transphobic, very confused about that. Nevertheless, he does say

00:09:41.940 millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn for the care they need. So let's go through some

00:09:46.160 of these claims before we talk about my response and the responses to my response. So he says leaving

00:09:51.720 millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn for the care they need. So this is according to Time

00:09:56.220 Magazine, quote, in the six months since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, there were 5,377

00:10:04.420 fewer abortions on average per month. According to a new report, the average number of terminations

00:10:11.020 from July through December was seventy seven thousand seventy three, a seven percent drop from the average in

00:10:18.400 April and May, according to a Tuesday report from the Society of Family Planning and the states with the

00:10:23.200 strictest restrictions, Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma,

00:10:29.660 South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin. There were 265 abortions per month on

00:10:35.140 average from July to September. That's a 96 percent drop from April and May. Amazing. Praise God. Like that

00:10:44.560 should be something that Christians are able to unequivocally, without caveat, without nuances, without 0.80

00:10:51.800 apology, unabashedly celebrate that these are image bearers of God who were protected from the

00:10:58.160 predation of abortion and abortion providers. Remember last year when Roe v. Wade was overturned

00:11:04.260 and we had all of these professing Christians like, you know, sprinkling their celebration of the

00:11:09.400 overturning with Roe v. Wade with caveats and with, well, we sure this is OK, but remember, we still need

00:11:17.780 to be adding. We still need to be doing more from the state. The state needs to be adding more to

00:11:23.660 welfare. We still need to be doing X, Y, Z. No, just celebrate. Celebrate the fact that it is going to

00:11:30.300 be easier to protect the dignity of unborn children in the womb, that it is going to be less likely for

00:11:35.620 them to be slaughtered. Like, just praise God for that. We can have conversations about those things.

00:11:40.700 I'm open to those conversations and debates and discussions. I truly am. But it's OK just to say,

00:11:48.160 wow, God, in His grace and His providence, He allowed justice to prevail from the Supreme Court

00:11:53.160 after years and years and years of mostly conservative Christians fighting on behalf

00:11:58.760 of unborn children and their families. Also, this assertion that millions of women and girls

00:12:05.380 with no and also just like the use of girls here is disturbing that they have nowhere to turn.

00:12:14.220 Of course, he, like every other Democrat that I've seen, at least politician, I won't say every

00:12:22.140 Democrat voter, they deny the existence or the helpfulness of pregnancy centers. They will say

00:12:27.840 that these are manipulative clinics, that they're posing as abortion centers, and then they are giving

00:12:34.320 these women misinformation about pregnancy and about abortion. No, that's not true. As per usual, 0.98

00:12:42.500 progressives are scared of the truth. They don't want women to get these sonograms. They don't want

00:12:47.020 them to hear the heartbeat. They don't want them to know what actually goes into an abortion. They 1.00

00:12:50.600 don't want them to see depictions of that. They don't want them to even typically, I'm talking about

00:12:54.980 the abortion lobby, have information about parenting, about adoption. I mean, woman after woman who has

00:13:01.100 told me that they walked into a Planned Parenthood when they had an unplanned pregnancy has told me

00:13:06.520 that the Planned Parenthood employee will say, you don't want to do this, right? Not do you want to do

00:13:12.900 this, but you don't want to do this, right? Like you're in the middle of school. You're really young.

00:13:18.680 Your financial situation isn't great. This relationship is unstable. You seem to not emotionally

00:13:24.340 be doing well. Let's just take care of this. It's no big deal. It's just a clump of cells,

00:13:28.880 which I understand. Like when you have the position that's as brutal as, hey, dismembering

00:13:33.360 babies is okay. Then of course you have to use lies. You have to cover up. You have to use 0.89

00:13:37.500 euphemisms. And so of course, Barack Obama being the radical abortion advocate that he is

00:13:43.100 would deny, would completely ignore the reality of these pregnancy centers that far outnumber

00:13:50.260 Planned Parenthoods, by the way. They meet the material needs of these women. They offer them the 1.00

00:13:55.620 material resources. They even offer with Medicaid enrollment, um, uh, refuge from domestic abuse,

00:14:02.140 immigration help, even labor, labor and delivery support. I will link the interview that I did

00:14:07.380 with the pregnancy center, um, the head of a pregnancy center, uh, that I did a several months

00:14:14.980 ago, just telling the stories of the women who walk in there and how they've been able to tangibly

00:14:20.000 meet so many needs, but also spiritually meet needs. And even apart from what these pregnancy

00:14:25.920 centers are doing on a daily basis to help these women and these families who are in crisis, which

00:14:30.700 is just absolutely incredible. I mean, the hands of feet, the hands and feet of Jesus in amazing ways,

00:14:36.600 but you'll remember this awesome story of you guys through an Amazon link donating through a baby

00:14:44.060 registry to a pregnancy center, tons and tons of items because you guys are so generous. Just a thousands

00:14:52.020 of these Amazon boxes showed up at this pregnancy center and the Amazon driver was dropping off these boxes

00:15:00.880 and ask the volunteers at the pregnancy center, what are you guys, what are you guys doing? Like, why do you

00:15:07.520 have so many Amazon boxes in right then? And there, a staff member of that pregnancy center got to share 0.95

00:15:14.900 the gospel with that Amazon truck driver, that Amazon truck driver prayed right then that Christ would

00:15:22.860 save him. So like, there are so many, so many ways that these pregnancy centers, these Christian 1.00

00:15:29.740 pregnancy centers, they're mostly run, mostly run by evangelical conservatives. Um, there's so many

00:15:37.260 ways that these pregnancy centers are making an impact for these communities, helping these women,

00:15:42.740 but also sharing the gospel with everyone involved in the process. But of course, Obama says they have

00:15:50.220 nowhere to turn. What he means is that it's harder to abort their babies. That's what he's saying.

00:15:57.280 And he goes on to say this quote, and yet there are reasons to hope reasons to hope after he says it is

00:16:04.620 now harder to abort your children. So what he's saying is that despair is giving babies a chance

00:16:09.420 to live. We need hope because it's now more difficult in some states to kill babies in the womb.

00:16:17.400 He says this quote, after Roe v. Wade was overturned, voters in Michigan, California, and Vermont

00:16:21.940 helped enshrine abortion rights in their state constitutions and governors in states like Nevada,

00:16:27.580 Hawaii, Pennsylvania have signed executive orders to protect abortion access. Gosh, you'll just

00:16:33.000 notice euphemism after euphemism. That's what the abortion advocates do. They never use clear,

00:16:38.420 precise scientific language to say what an abortion is. Even the word abortion is kind of a euphemism

00:16:44.580 when you think about it. So he's right in some ways that there are some states who passed legislation,

00:16:56.020 who passed policies that do make it very difficult to restrict abortion. Now, those of you living in

00:17:07.200 those states in Michigan and California, you would probably take issue with this idea that the voters

00:17:13.080 voted for these things just in the sense that there was so much manipulation. There was so much

00:17:19.260 propaganda. There was so much misinformation from the billion dollar abortion lobby in your state that you

00:17:26.740 really don't feel like it was a fair fight. And I would say that that's probably legitimate. But let me go

00:17:31.660 through a few of these things that Obama is celebrating as hopeful, as wonderful. So earlier this year,

00:17:38.480 Michigan passed Prop 3, adding abortion to its state constitution, allowing abortion for any reason

00:17:44.720 through viability, 24 weeks, which is almost the third trimester, by the way, and also allows for

00:17:51.600 abortion through all nine months of pregnancy, as long as it protects the health of the mother. Now,

00:17:58.220 that does not mean save the life of the mother. That includes any form of physical health of the

00:18:04.000 mother, but it also includes, according to Prop 3, the mental health of the mother, which, as we know,

00:18:10.360 can really mean anything. So essentially, in Michigan, killing a baby in the womb is legal

00:18:15.860 to and through 40 weeks gestation. Now, how likely or rare third trimester abortions are is totally

00:18:23.620 irrelevant. Babies through all nine months of pregnancy, wiggling, feeling, moving babies through 0.98

00:18:31.260 all nine months of pregnancy in the state of Michigan have zero right not to be violently

00:18:36.780 murdered. That's what Obama is calling hopeful. Last year, California passed Prop 1, which added

00:18:43.580 the quote-unquote right to abortion to the state constitution. Same deal as Michigan. No restrictions

00:18:48.800 whatsoever through 24 weeks. After that, abortion is legal if the mother's mental health, even mental 0.82

00:18:55.240 health, is negatively impacted. Like, you see where that goes, right? Oh, yeah. Like, she's sad that

00:19:02.240 she's pregnant. Mental health problems. Okay, you can have an abortion at 35 weeks. Again, you can say 1.00

00:19:08.460 that never happens. If that never happens, then we don't need these stipulations. If that never happens,

00:19:13.600 then why not give these children the dignity of having the right not to be murdered? Vermont did the

00:19:21.240 same thing last year by passing Prop 5. Abortion is a constitutional right in Vermont and does not have

00:19:26.700 any restrictions whatsoever that I could read, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't have any restrictions

00:19:31.040 whatsoever through any trimester of pregnancy. So not even like a pretense of a protection through

00:19:37.580 all nine months of pregnancy. So that is what Barack Obama is praising. This person who I think still

00:19:43.860 claims he's a Christian. That's what he's calling hope. Now, notice he says the word enshrine, which in

00:19:49.620 this context means to preserve like a right or a tradition or idea in a form that ensures it will be

00:19:55.740 protected and respected. But the word enshrine can also mean to preserve or cherish as sacred.

00:20:03.240 And shrine can mean to place a revered object on a shrine. Now, what does a shrine mean? A place

00:20:08.980 regarded as holy. So whether Obama means to or not, he's describing exactly how the Democratic Party

00:20:15.460 views abortion. As sacred, as holy, as a thing to be worshipped. Now, after this next ad break, 0.71

00:20:23.320 I'm going to remind us what an abortion is. And it is, it's going to be graphic. I won't get as

00:20:30.940 graphic as I could. And if you are already, you're already like, look, I'm anti-abortion. I don't need

00:20:37.240 to be reminded of this. You can fast forward a few minutes into this, but I do think it's important

00:20:42.280 to remember what specifically, scientifically, we're actually talking about.

00:20:53.320 All right. So just a brief explanation, a reminder of what we are actually talking about again.

00:21:05.620 So through 12 weeks gestation. So in that first trimester, women typically undergo medication

00:21:10.880 abortion. So they're first given a pill called mifepristone that blocks the hormone progesterone,

00:21:16.660 which is necessary for new life to grow. Without progesterone, the lining of the uterus breaks down,

00:21:21.940 which makes it impossible for the embryo or fetus to grow. Essentially, the baby is starved.

00:21:27.720 The baby is starved of nutrients and dies. Now, I remember my first, or it was my second ever

00:21:34.020 ultrasound with my first baby. The first time, that first ultrasound at eight or so weeks,

00:21:41.520 that baby looks like a little jelly bean. You see the beating heart and it's amazing. But

00:21:45.420 if you had a second sonogram still in the first trimester like I did, 11 and a half weeks,

00:21:53.540 oh my gosh, the transformation is incredible. So still in the first trimester, I saw this little

00:21:59.440 perfectly formed, fully developed, but just small baby in my womb, arms, legs, brain. You can see where

00:22:08.100 the teeth are coming in. You can see the ribs. You can see all the little fingers and toes kicking and

00:22:13.700 flipping. I mean, it was so vivid and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm still in the first trimester. This

00:22:18.060 is a little, this is a little baby moving around, which of course, from the point of, of conception,

00:22:24.040 it's always a human, but still, I think people forget. People forget like what we're talking

00:22:29.120 about here. Still in the first trimester, you're looking at a baby. If you saw a sonogram of an 11

00:22:34.360 week baby in the womb, you would see what looks like a baby. All right. So we are talking about

00:22:42.280 these little babies being starved of their nutrients through a poisonous pill. The second

00:22:49.680 step is then to give the mother misopristal, which causes the uterus to contract and then 0.99

00:22:55.600 expel the baby. Horrible, horrible stories you've probably seen of women having heavy cramping for 0.99

00:23:02.000 hours, bleeding, and then sitting on the toilet, just bleeding out, sometimes very dangerously.

00:23:10.440 And sometimes these horror stories of women looking down and seeing that little tiny human

00:23:18.040 being with the fingers and the toes in their toilet, like that's not an exaggeration. That's

00:23:23.100 not hyperbole. That's what, that's scientifically what it is. It doesn't just always look like a clump

00:23:29.140 depending on how far along you are. So that's first trimester abortion. That's when the vast

00:23:33.820 majority of abortions happen, but we're still talking about a violent, brutal killing experience.

00:23:41.260 And then aspiration abortion is typically performed through 10 to 21 weeks gestation. It removes the 0.98

00:23:46.600 baby via suction. First, the abortion provider places sticks in called laminaria into the woman's 1.00

00:23:51.720 cervix 24 to 48 hours before the procedure, opens up the cervix, soaks up the amniotic fluid, which is

00:23:57.260 necessary for the baby's survival. So because of this, the baby is sometimes already dead by the

00:24:03.440 time of the actual procedure, because it can't survive very long without that amniotic fluid.

00:24:08.200 But many times they're not. So dead or alive during this aspiration abortion, the baby's limbs, torso,

00:24:13.940 and skull is sucked out of the uterus using a vacuum. Sometimes you have to use forceps in order to do

00:24:20.980 this, depending on how big the baby is. Sometimes the skull is just not big enough to be able to fit

00:24:26.660 through the cervix without being crushed. In a D&E abortion, which is usually reserved for babies 0.70

00:24:33.480 after 20 to 21 weeks gestation, which you could say, oh, that never happens. It does happen. It

00:24:39.500 happens at least pre-Roe. It was about 10,000 abortions a year were these late-term abortions.

00:24:47.740 This abortion procedure starts the same way an aspiration abortion does with the laminaria to 0.99

00:24:52.720 dilate the cervix. But because the baby at this point is too big to be sucked out with a vacuum

00:24:58.780 tube with aspiration, her actual killing and removal requires more steps. So to ensure fetal demise, 1.00

00:25:07.380 as the abortion industry describes it, the baby is killed by the abortionist inserting a needle filled

00:25:13.460 with digoxin, I think that's how you pronounce it, or potassium chloride, which just as an aside,

00:25:19.480 it's the same poisonous chemical combination used for the lethal injection of convicted murderers on

00:25:24.420 death row. Using the same combination of chemicals for these innocent babies inside the womb. So 1.00

00:25:30.360 that's inserted through the mother's abdomen into the uterus and the amniotic sac. Now, and this is

00:25:36.220 very hard. I'm like, I always have to try really, really hard to kind of detach myself as I'm describing

00:25:41.560 this. So I'm not just like a puddle of emotion. If the baby stops wiggling long enough while this is

00:25:48.120 happening, the abortionist can inject the poison directly into her heart. And when the poison is 1.00

00:25:54.740 released into her heart, or if the baby is moving too much, just into the amniotic sac, the baby

00:26:00.560 consumes the poison and dies. It causes a cardiac arrest. So it causes a heart attack that ends up

00:26:08.500 killing her. So that's what happens in these later abortions. And the baby has gotten so big and her 0.99

00:26:13.540 movements have become so strong that the mother has been able to feel her punch and kick for a while

00:26:20.300 now. And so without the numbing medication that is used for women during this procedure, the mother 0.98

00:26:26.180 would feel the movement of her child as this baby is being killed. The baby has developed enough to see,

00:26:32.920 to hear, and depending on her age, feel the pain of an abortion. And like, these are the abortions that 0.98

00:26:38.880 are enshrined, as Barack Obama said, into law in the several states that he mentioned. And he's saying

00:26:44.940 this is hopeful. He's saying this is good. These kind of brutal murderers of these innocent, wiggling

00:26:52.040 image bearers of God, he's saying this is a good thing. We need to, we need this to spread across the

00:26:58.600 country. We need to make it as easy as possible for these babies to be forced into cardiac arrest, 0.95

00:27:03.560 to be dismembered, to be aspirated out of the womb, to be poisoned and starved. He says this is a good 0.93

00:27:11.460 thing. This is hopeful, something we can really hang our hat on, need to be enshrined, held up as holy

00:27:18.500 in the law. So here is my response to what Obama said. Evil man, evil ideology, evil party. Christians have 1.00

00:27:28.400 no excuse to ever support these people. There is no both sides argument. Yeah. Regarding this holy,

00:27:35.040 sacred, hopeful, a right, the brutal killing of innocent, defenseless human beings simply because

00:27:40.420 of the location in which they reside, their age, their size, their stage of development, and their

00:27:45.360 inability to fight back is evil. It's evil. Only an evil ideology and an evil political party can not

00:27:54.220 only allow such a thing, but actively applaud and celebrate it because they do, by the way.

00:28:00.120 Because they do. Democrats celebrate it. Like you will not find a Democrat activist or a Democrat

00:28:06.160 politician who does not celebrate abortion, who will say, ah, should be safe and but legal and rare 0.86

00:28:12.680 because it's a, it's just an evil. It's a necessary evil and I don't like it, but we just have to allow

00:28:19.960 women to do it through some trimesters of pregnancy. If you can find that Democrat politician, like I 1.00

00:28:26.080 would like to see them today. Yeah, sure. I mean, Barack Obama and Joe Biden were saying that maybe 15

00:28:33.020 years ago today, you're not going to find any prominent Democrats doing that. Again, maybe some

00:28:40.060 Democrat voters, but not the people they're voting for. And yet, knowing everything that we know about

00:28:47.800 abortion. A holocaust of human beings. Some people, Christians, took issue with my tweet of calling

00:28:56.420 Obama evil, this ideology evil, this party evil, saying that on this issue, there's no both sides.

00:29:02.200 On some issues, there probably are. On this issue, there's not. There's not a both sides argument.

00:29:09.540 And so Justin Giboney of the AND campaign, you've probably heard of the AND campaign. Maybe,

00:29:14.580 maybe not. Producer Brie had not heard of the AND campaign, so you might not have heard about it.

00:29:20.360 It bills itself as a nonpartisan organization meant to bring Christians from both sides of the aisle

00:29:24.220 together on various political issues. I do not believe that that's, I don't see that as its core

00:29:32.660 mission. That's my opinion. I can get more into that in a second. But he responded to what I had to

00:29:37.500 say he didn't, he took issue with what I said. And so I'll read his response.

00:29:53.520 So here's what Justin said. And well, by the way, let me say, I have had Justin on. I had Justin on a

00:29:59.120 few years ago. And so you can go back, you can listen to that conversation, because I've had

00:30:03.800 disagreements with the AND campaign and like how they, their mission and how they function for a

00:30:09.700 while or like what they say they stand for versus what it seems to me, to me, it's just my perspective

00:30:16.360 on what they stand for. So I wanted to have him on. And I always allow my guests to talk,

00:30:21.020 especially the guests that I like disagree with. And so I think that you will find that it was very

00:30:25.440 fair. That doesn't mean that I agreed, though. Some people were mad. It seemed like I didn't agree

00:30:30.580 or like I didn't end up saying, oh, yeah, you're right. Well, I didn't agree. I didn't agree

00:30:35.560 with a lot of things. So I did have him on. We have talked before. And I did say on Instagram

00:30:42.580 originally, oh, he hasn't invited me to have a conversation, which he reminded me was not true.

00:30:48.360 And so I owned the mistake on Instagram and I owned the mistake here. And I should have checked. I

00:30:54.320 should have checked before I said anything. But he did invite me on. I was on maternity leave a couple

00:30:59.380 years ago. And so it didn't happen. And it just I didn't follow up or anything. And so it didn't

00:31:05.860 happen. But he did invite me. So to be fair, he invited me. He's been on my show. And I really

00:31:11.560 appreciate that. I still think that we probably personally agree on a lot of things. We disagree

00:31:16.440 on how to apply a lot of our similar convictions politically. So here's what he said to my response

00:31:23.720 to Obama when I said evil man, evil ideology, evil party. Christians have no excuse to ever support 1.00

00:31:28.840 these people, which I think is true. He says, in other words, we get abortion partially right. 0.76

00:31:35.260 So you must agree with us on everything, even when our leaders show a lack of concern for the lives of

00:31:40.120 immigrants, black men killed by authorities, pregnant black women, the uninsured poor and create laws to 1.00

00:31:46.660 make it harder to vote. That was his response to me. He goes on to say in another tweet, thou shall vote 0.99

00:31:51.680 Republican is not in the Bible. I voted for both parties and have plenty of criticism of Democrats,

00:31:55.320 including abortion and immigration. But this narrative is wrong and extremely disrespectful

00:31:59.380 to millions of faithful black Christians. People only feel good saying things like this when they

00:32:03.860 lack relationship with Christians from other traditions. Okay. So I'm interested to hear what 0.56

00:32:11.520 your response would be to that. My response is that this is a total non sequitur, which is a classic

00:32:18.420 logical fallacy that refuses to deal with the argument at hand by redirecting attention to other places.

00:32:23.600 This is a very typical tactic. You I bring up the evil of abortion or the pro-lifer brings up the evil of

00:32:28.940 abortion. And the other side will say, well, what about these 10 other bad issues over here?

00:32:33.760 I said nothing in this tweet about having to vote Republican to be a Christian, as he claims I did now.

00:32:39.660 And I also didn't talk about like many of the other things that he said that I am implying or saying.

00:32:46.280 Uh, now I did say that Christians shouldn't vote Democrat in so many words. And I've said that 1.00

00:32:51.960 before, uh, many times on this show, but that is not the same as saying that you must vote Republican.

00:32:58.360 Now, I personally don't vote independent or choose not to vote, but there are some Christians that do.

00:33:04.620 And I don't agree with that, but I am more supportive of that than I am a professing Christian voting

00:33:11.140 Democrat. I don't have to jump through any logical or theological hoops to say very confidently that

00:33:17.960 a Christian should not vote for the party that celebrates dismembering children and chemically 1.00

00:33:23.000 castrating preteens. It's just like not really a tough one for me, but I've also said a few things

00:33:29.840 consistently. Number one, voting Democrat in itself is not an indication of someone's salvation one way

00:33:37.120 or the other. Why? Because, and some people aren't going to like this, but you can be wrong and be a

00:33:43.240 Christian. Like thankfully for all of us, right? Like we will all, all who are Christians, like we will

00:33:48.580 all go to heaven being wrong about lots and lots of things. There's no one that is going to leave this

00:33:54.460 earth going to heaven being right about everything. So all of us will die with opinions and thoughts

00:34:02.200 that are just not right. So thankfully, like we can be Christians and be wrong. I think people who

00:34:09.220 vote Democrat are wrong. I think they're wrong to do so. I think Christians who vote Democrat are 0.99

00:34:13.500 egregiously wrong to do so. But our vote is not what saves us or indicates our state of salvation.

00:34:19.800 Now, can you be ideologically progressive and be a Christian? No, I don't think so. Because neither 1.00

00:34:28.040 progressivism nor Christianity will allow that. But because progressivism is its own religion, 0.65

00:34:33.080 is its own faith. It's not just a set of principles. Like it has its own narrative of human history,

00:34:42.300 of its own idea of salvation, its own separate idea of sanctification, its own idea of morality,

00:34:48.800 of right and wrong, of even like what it means to be human. Progressivism rejects the Christian 0.90

00:34:57.360 tenets on all of these things at their very core. It also includes support for abortion,

00:35:04.160 for gender confusion, for the reformulation of the family, for the sexualization of children,

00:35:08.860 among other things that are diametrically opposed to what the God of the universe says is good and

00:35:14.060 right and true. So when it comes to progressivism as an ideology or Christianity, they don't mix.

00:35:19.840 They can't. But it is possible. And by the way, let me just say, conservatism, I'm not saying,

00:35:26.960 of course, Chrysler's conservatism is just as impotent as progressivism is. But conservatism

00:35:33.840 doesn't have the same competing narrative about human nature and human origins and salvation and

00:35:41.600 holiness and sanctification as to like contrary to the Bible as progressivism does. It really is

00:35:49.660 like a set of ideas, a set of principles, which is why conservatives tend to disagree on a lot more

00:35:55.300 than progressives do. It's like a religion versus a set of ideas. But it is possible. It is possible,

00:36:02.700 though I would say incoherent, to hold orthodox biblical views and still vote Democrat. Again,

00:36:10.400 I say strongly that it is wrong. But the blue vote or the red vote in themselves cannot tell us

00:36:16.060 whether someone is truly saved. I do know truly saved from everything that I can tell,

00:36:22.120 Jesus loving people who have voted Democrat. Man, oh man, I think that they are dead wrong

00:36:29.000 to do that. But I don't doubt that they love Jesus. I see them in the word. I see them sharing

00:36:34.860 the gospel. I just think that they really misunderstand the issues. Okay, a number two,

00:36:42.900 number two, another thing that I have said consistently. Like if I were to entertain,

00:36:48.980 that is, the non sequitur about all the other issues that are brought up without actually dealing

00:36:54.080 with the evil of abortion, which he never addresses in his response. I wouldn't even grant that

00:36:59.520 Democrats get those other issues right. This is actually like a big portion of what my next book

00:37:04.120 is about. I do not believe Democrats' immigration policy or crime policy or racial policy or economic

00:37:09.720 policy or whatever is beneficial to the slightest. In fact, I would argue that they're all terrible,

00:37:15.640 cruel policies that leave every single city dominated by them ruined. Like when we look at the

00:37:21.360 most solidly democratic cities, do we see Black people, immigrants, women, poor people thriving? 1.00

00:37:28.220 Seattle, San Francisco, New York City, LA, Denver, Austin have the lives of these people

00:37:32.760 in these cities improved over the past several years as progressive policy has been more intensely

00:37:39.060 implemented. Like I think we all know the answer to that. Like even progressives are leaving San

00:37:43.940 Francisco because of the drug policy, because of the so-called social justice policy,

00:37:47.440 because of the so-called racial justice policy that is distributing wealth from one group of people to

00:37:53.200 the other in the name of reparations. Like walk through the streets of San Francisco and see how

00:37:57.720 the social justice policies passed by Democrats is working out. And no, this myth that Republicans

00:38:04.820 make it harder to vote by rejecting the Democrat plan to federalize all elections, which would actually 0.78

00:38:10.020 make it harder to vote with integrity, is ridiculous. We apparently saw Jim Crow type voting laws in Georgia

00:38:16.660 a couple of years, a couple of years ago, and yet Black people turned out in record voting numbers in

00:38:21.660 the following election. So that's debatable. Like I'll say that that's debatable. There's probably

00:38:25.420 legitimate points on both sides of that issue. But to just say that Republicans get all these things

00:38:30.660 wrong, and I guess the implication is that Democrats get them right or more right, I totally take issue with.

00:38:36.500 So even to follow the non sequitur, I don't think that's a legitimate line of even like the even peripheral

00:38:45.400 peripheral reasoning. Now, maybe he's just saying that Republicans don't get these things right either, which

00:38:52.500 OK, I can hear I can totally hear that out. I actually love hating on Republicans. My criticism of Republicans,

00:38:59.760 however, it does come from the right. It doesn't come from like a moderate place. It comes from a place of saying, I don't

00:39:05.400 think that Republicans are nearly conservative or moral or consistent enough for me. But OK, we've got

00:39:12.460 one party that celebrates the double mastectomies of gender confused girls and ripping apart babies in 1.00

00:39:18.900 the womb. And then we've got another party that is against these things, but also could be better in

00:39:24.300 other areas. So, yeah, like I don't really have to jump through any hoops or like I don't really have to

00:39:31.920 do any mental gymnastics to say, yeah, they're not morally equivalent. And that's really kind of my

00:39:37.060 big problem that I'll get into is pretending like on every issue, like both sides are morally

00:39:44.100 equivalent, like, oh, pro-choicers get some things wrong, but pro-lifers do too. No, like one position

00:39:49.160 is better. One position is more biblical. No position is going to be perfect, but it's OK to not be a moral

00:39:55.400 relativist. Like it's OK to just say, no, Republicans get it more right on the bigger things. It's OK to say that.

00:40:01.920 And that, no, being pro-choice, pro-legal dismemberment of babies is not morally equivalent

00:40:08.300 to being against that, but maybe getting some things wrong on welfare. Like they're not equal.

00:40:14.720 Another thing, number three, I think I want to address disrespectful to black Americans, he says.

00:40:23.420 OK, I know that over 90 percent of black Americans, including professing black Christians,

00:40:28.100 vote Democrat. It's been that way for a long time. Black churches are extremely 1.00

00:40:31.700 overtly political. Personally, I think more so than any majority white Southern Baptist church 0.71

00:40:37.840 I've attended in my life. They're completely unabashed in supporting Democrats in the name

00:40:41.920 of liberation. Like even Charlie Dates, who many evangelicals regard as orthodox,

00:40:47.220 and I'm sure I'm sure he is in a lot of ways, platformed far left Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot,

00:40:53.040 called her Auntie Lori, at his church recently. Like,

00:40:56.920 but I didn't mention that in my tweet, nor was I talking about that at all. But I guess the

00:41:02.580 accusation is that this is offensive to them because I say the Democrat Party is evil. But why

00:41:08.780 would my assessment of the party change based on how many black people vote for them? Like it wouldn't 0.99

00:41:13.780 matter to me if it were 2 percent black people voting Democrat or 100 percent of black people voting

00:41:18.080 Democrat. The number of black, white, Hispanic people who vote Democrat does not change what it stands

00:41:25.740 for. So why in the world would the number of any kind of person voting Democrat change what I think

00:41:31.820 about the party? I think that the people who vote for them are wrong, no matter what the skin color is.

00:41:39.780 Same response to his last comment. Nothing said here responds to the fact that abortion is evil.

00:41:47.880 Enshrining it is evil. Fighting for it is evil. Absolutely.

00:41:51.780 Absolutely. Um, so that would be, that's my, that's my basic response. There are other things that

00:41:59.060 I could say, um, about the and campaign, like, and about Justin, I have no reason to doubt like his

00:42:07.740 sincerity, his integrity, his Christianity. As I said, I've had him on before. Um, so I'm, I'm not

00:42:16.220 demonizing. I'm not attacking. I'm not telling you to like unfollow that. I don't care about any of that.

00:42:21.760 I'm not, that's not my goal. Um, I, the and campaign is run by people as, as far as I can see,

00:42:30.400 as far as I know. And I think they're pretty open about this. So I'm not trying to paint them in a way

00:42:34.800 that they wouldn't agree with. They, their history is all Democrat activism. Their history is all with

00:42:41.040 the Democrat party. So from my vantage point, they punch right, but tickle left, if that. Um,

00:42:49.320 and they are effective, I think, in making a lot of conservative Christians feel that they

00:42:54.500 shouldn't vote for their convictions on abortion, or they shouldn't vote for their convictions on

00:43:00.320 gender, that these issues aren't really as important or that voting in alignment with

00:43:07.300 your convictions on these, on this issue. Um, well, I won't even say that the and campaign has said this.

00:43:13.540 It seems that a lot of people who follow them, uh, seem to think that voting your biblical

00:43:18.960 convictions is just about gaining power and forcing your views on other people. Look, a vote

00:43:23.940 is forcing your, is forcing your views on other people. That's what a vote is. You are bringing

00:43:29.200 your worldview to the voting box and you are voting in alignment with your convictions, whether you're

00:43:33.280 a Democrat or Republican, that's what everyone does. Of course, that's what Christians are called to

00:43:36.760 do. Um, so that's not me trying to demonize them or attacking. You should go look for yourself. Like,

00:43:41.780 you should read their book. You should look at their website. You should look at their social

00:43:44.600 media page. You should look at their social media page. Um, as I said, he and I do agree on some

00:43:49.260 important things when it comes to our personal convictions. I think about abortion and gender in

00:43:53.760 the family. I think personally, we probably agree on those things. Um, I haven't asked him about all of

00:43:58.840 his theological stances. I bet we align on a lot. We really disagree on how these, how to apply

00:44:05.060 these convictions policy-wise. Like, I would say that I feel the same way as them, but the opposite.

00:44:10.740 It seems to me, from what I've seen from the things that they've said, that they think both sides get

00:44:16.000 it wrong in some ways, but ultimately that the Democrat party is more compassionate, um, on most

00:44:22.780 things. Whereas I see it as the opposite, that both parties get things wrong, but Republicans are far

00:44:29.380 more right than Democrats are, um, on things. I've also invited Michael Ware of the ANN campaign on,

00:44:35.660 um, he, I believe, worked for the Obama administration and, uh, is a Christian, but I

00:44:41.800 haven't been successful, um, in getting him on. So that's my response to, to his tweet. I know some

00:44:48.560 people will be like, some moderates will be mad that I even responded to it. And again, because I don't

00:44:55.200 end up agreeing with what he said, that somehow I'm unteachable or arrogant, or maybe like, I just

00:45:00.840 disagree. Maybe I just disagree. Uh, there are a couple other people that weighed in that I wanted

00:45:04.780 to point out. Ben Watson, who is a pro-life activist and author and former NFL player. And then also

00:45:11.040 Latasha Morrison, she is the founder of Be the Bridge. And she wrote the book, uh, Be the Bridge,

00:45:16.240 which is about, uh, quote unquote, racial reconciliation. So I'll talk about that in just a second. And I think

00:45:22.480 that this is important because you guys are going to get these kinds of responses and push back too,

00:45:27.440 in your advocacy for voting for supporting the legal right of babies to live.

00:45:43.860 All right. So Ben Watson, pro-life advocate, um, he responded to what Justin Giboney said and said,

00:45:50.140 the type of Christianity she espouses includes voting records for membership in her world. She 0.84

00:45:54.580 creates the standards for how Christians are to behave. That's danger. That's a dangerous role to 1.00

00:45:58.880 assume. She is creating addendums to orthodoxy and tampering with idolatry for saying that Obama and, 0.99

00:46:06.720 uh, the Democrat party and the ideology that actively celebrates, celebrates dismembering kids is evil.

00:46:16.880 So I just have some questions about this claim. Again, saying so many things that I didn't say,

00:46:24.360 I did not say that your vote indicates whether or not you are a Christian. And again, I've been very

00:46:29.640 clear about that. As I just said, let me ask, is it creating addendums and tampering with idolatry

00:46:37.360 to say that celebrating the Holocaust is evil? Can I say Nazis were evil, chattel slavery, or is that

00:46:44.700 idolatrous? Like, would it be okay to say that the person and party that held the position that

00:46:50.400 supports putting Jewish people in gas chambers, uh, that they're evil? Or do I need to nuance that 0.95

00:46:56.660 position so as to make it less divisive? Like, insert whatever other human rights atrocity you'd like.

00:47:02.180 Force lobotomies, pushing, you know, like I said, pushing Jewish people into torture chambers, gas 1.00

00:47:08.980 chambers, Chinese railroads, Japanese internment camps. Like, if we lamented the restriction or the

00:47:14.780 abolition of those things and called enshrining the right to them hope, would it be okay to call that

00:47:22.980 evil? Or are we supposed to pretend that maybe gas chambers for Jews and gypsies is a nuanced issue

00:47:28.840 that Christians of varying Christian traditions can faithfully disagree on? Like, abortion is no less 0.98

00:47:33.660 evil than those things. So I just don't understand why we, why we change, why is that me setting

00:47:40.260 standards of behavior? Like, is like, is it evil? Is it evil for someone to celebrate the unrestricted

00:47:48.460 access to killing children or not? Why is that controversial for a Christian to say that Christians

00:47:54.260 should not support the people that celebrate that? It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be. And saying all

00:48:01.580 these things, like, I'm disrespecting Black Christians by saying that. I am tampering with 1.00

00:48:07.320 idolatry. I'm adding to orthodoxy. Okay, again, just replace abortion with any other human rights 0.98

00:48:15.840 atrocity, chattel slavery, Nazism. And let me know, like, if I should still be as nuanced so as to avoid 0.52

00:48:27.960 idolatry and adding things to the gospel, adding things to people's salvation, like, this is way

00:48:35.820 reading into something that I said, saying things that I absolutely did not say. LaTosha Morrison

00:48:43.580 commented on the Instagram post, because Justin Giboney also posted this to his Instagram,

00:48:50.700 so I originally saw it. She said, honestly, I can't with her. Oh, so many, so many bridges being built.

00:48:57.260 So she started the Be the Bridge curriculum. And this is supposed to be bringing Black and white 0.98

00:49:04.800 people together. Really, it's more about ensuring that white people feel the weight of the responsibility 0.74

00:49:11.540 for the oppression of Black people both today and historically, that they own up to that, that they

00:49:17.940 educate themselves about that. And I could do a whole episode. I probably have done at least segments of

00:49:24.420 episodes on this. But instead, I'm going to direct you, as I often do, to Neil Shinvee's blog post and

00:49:32.660 review. I think he's a very fair person. He's a very kind person. I've had him on the show a couple

00:49:37.120 times. I will include the link of the review of her Be the Bridge book in the description of this

00:49:42.800 episode. I really encourage you to read it, no matter what side you're on, because he goes through

00:49:46.800 the biblical issues with the theological foundation that she tries to set for her definition of racial

00:49:53.380 reconciliation. And interestingly, she's not called divisive by these same people, but she does make

00:49:58.340 this a salvation issue. I heard her at the IF gathering a couple of years ago basically say,

00:50:03.180 yeah, there are people who push back against what she's trying to do, but God always protects the

00:50:08.820 remnant. Oh, OK. That's not divisive, apparently. But saying Obama is evil for supporting the

00:50:16.020 unmitigated slaughter of children, that's divisive. So she says, honestly, I can't with her. And, you

00:50:21.580 know, this is something that I've noticed, too, is like just the sassiness in responses from people

00:50:28.400 when I say something that, you know, I believe to be true strongly. And then I get people saying,

00:50:35.380 wow, that's so mean, that's so divisive, that's so just wrong and unkind. And yet they are so

00:50:42.260 sassy. And again, using non sequiturs in their response. I see this all the time. I see this all

00:50:48.260 the time. So this is from the Be the Bridge Facebook page, just to kind of give you an idea. So this is

00:50:53.660 like these are part of the rules for the Be the Bridge Facebook page that is supposed to be bringing

00:50:58.340 white and black people together. So these are rules specifically for white people. Do not chastise 0.56

00:51:03.400 people of color or dismiss their message because they express their grief in ways that you deem

00:51:07.760 inappropriate. Understand that historically white people have silenced voices of dissent and lament

00:51:12.340 with our cultural idol of niceness. Provide space for POCs to wail, cuss, or even yell at you. 1.00

00:51:17.920 Jesus didn't hold back when he saw hypocrisy and oppression. POCs shouldn't have to either. 0.96

00:51:22.560 Is that real? Is that the same thing as Jesus turning over tables in the temple? Also, another rule that

00:51:28.940 Be the Bridge has in their Facebook discussion group is don't get defensive, white people,

00:51:32.620 when you are called out for any of the above. When a POC tells you that your words, tone, behavior

00:51:36.700 are racist, oppressive, or triggering, you stop. Don't try to explain yourself. Don't become

00:51:41.660 passive aggressive or sarcastic. Don't leave in a huff. It may be helpful to inconspicuously step

00:51:46.720 outside, go to the restroom. Remain cognizant of the dynamics of white fragility and take note of how 0.85

00:51:53.040 it usually shows up in you. Can I just read something really fast from the Bible? Can I just read something

00:51:59.120 really fast? Because this just reminds me, this segment, this is Be the Bridge, that a lot of

00:52:05.120 churches use as their curriculum, apparently, to bring races together. Also, listen to my friends

00:52:09.900 Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker about their take on racial reconciliation. So let me just read you

00:52:14.220 this section from James 3, starting in verse 13.

00:52:17.160 Who is wise in understanding among you? By his good conduct, let him show his works in the

00:52:22.020 meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts,

00:52:26.620 do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes from above, but is earthly,

00:52:31.480 unspiritual, and demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder in

00:52:36.380 every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason,

00:52:43.220 full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, impartial, impartial, and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness

00:52:54.000 is sown in peace by those who make peace. Now, sowing peace doesn't mean that you can't say hard

00:53:00.140 truths. It doesn't mean that you can't call some things good and some things evil. I'm not saying

00:53:04.900 that. But when you just look at some of the rules, some of the regulations, some of the tenets put

00:53:10.480 forward by groups like Be the Bridge, do you see impartiality? You know, in the Old Testament law

00:53:16.300 giving, as we've talked about many times, one of the tenets of God's definition of justice, as we can

00:53:20.960 see in Scripture, is that it is impartial. It doesn't defer to one class of people over another. He

00:53:26.380 doesn't give preferential treatment to the poor. He doesn't give preferential treatment to the rich.

00:53:30.380 When it comes to the law and law giving and trials and due process that we see in the Old Testament,

00:53:36.620 God says it's evil to be partial to one party over the other based on socioeconomic status or based on

00:53:43.060 any kind of influence. God hates partiality. So there's no differing standard for morality or

00:53:49.860 differing standard for kindness, differing standard for decency when it comes to white and black people. 0.57

00:53:55.380 Not according to God's word. Now, according to this ideology, sure. Not according to God's word.

00:54:00.580 Like, one person isn't more justified in being unkind or being unloving to someone because they

00:54:07.000 have a certain skin color and the other person doesn't. That's not how it works. And so really, 0.89

00:54:11.760 you're like enslaving people to this unbiblical double standard. And there's no way. There's no way to 0.88

00:54:22.320 make peace through that. Not true peace. Not gospel-centered peace. You can manufacture guilt,

00:54:27.800 sure. And silence and hanging your head, sure. But with those kinds of double standards for

00:54:36.580 kindness and morality that are not seen in the Bible and are actually explicitly rejected by the

00:54:42.260 Bible, it's hard to see how you are going to bring people truly together to a place of love and

00:54:49.980 understanding and peace in a way that is actually biblical. Because biblical reconciliation,

00:54:56.160 first of all, it doesn't happen between two races that don't know each other. It happens between

00:55:00.200 people. It happens between hearts. And there has to be a mutual humility, understanding of our own

00:55:06.940 sinfulness on both parts. So anyway, that's that. But she can't with me, she says. All right. And,

00:55:16.040 you know, like I said, this kind of like sassiness in response to what you may see as harsh words

00:55:22.280 is it's very like typical from this group of people who always talks about like elevated dialogue and

00:55:28.980 like better politics and a third way. And I first noticed this, maybe not first, but I noticed this

00:55:35.840 really prominently in 2020. My friend Virgil Walker, who I've had on, a host of the Just Thinking

00:55:40.960 podcast, he works for G3 Ministries. He's been very strong on the life issue, on the abortion issue for

00:55:46.340 a very long time, has done a lot of good works outside of abortion centers and things like that.

00:55:51.760 This was actually in 2021. He responded to something that, that Charlie Dates, Charlie

00:55:58.480 Dates, I mentioned earlier, he's a pastor of large church in Chicago. He commented on something that

00:56:04.220 Charlie Dates said in a sermon, and he called it CRT light, critical race theory light, which I think

00:56:09.420 is a very charitable description of some of the things that Charlie Dates has said. Well, Charlie Dates

00:56:15.480 responded with this. So this is, I mean, this is taking it to such a greater level than anything

00:56:21.980 Virgil Walker said. Charlie Dates said, some Hebrews preferred Pharaoh to Moses and Egypt to Canaan.

00:56:27.040 Harriet Tubman found it harder to get slavery out of the slave than to get the slave out of slavery. 1.00

00:56:31.780 The boondocks had Uncle Ruckus, which is a cartoon character that thinks he's white. Now we have you. 0.90

00:56:37.760 OK, so that's what I mean, he is accusing. He's accusing Virgil Walker because Virgil Walker disagreed

00:56:47.320 with the progressive ideology that was that he says was being espoused by Charlie Dates. He called

00:56:54.100 it CRT light. And then Charlie Dates said, oh, because you believe this, you think that you're

00:56:58.980 white. You're really you have an enslaved mentality. It couldn't just be because he disagrees. Again, 0.93

00:57:04.800 total non sequitur. He doesn't even address what's being said at all. Just says that he is a black 0.99

00:57:10.540 person who thinks he's white, trying to gain the approval of white people. Benjamin Watson responded 0.95

00:57:15.540 and said, kick rocks, Virgil Walker, in Jesus's name. Justin Gibbany said Virgil lacks his self-awareness

00:57:22.020 to know that he's being used by people who need a black person to justify their failings. He's entitled to 0.87

00:57:26.540 his opinion, but it's pretty sad that he tried to show out at the expense of his brother and such a

00:57:31.680 serious issue. Okay. First of all, like our brothers and sisters are those in Christ, not those who

00:57:38.260 have a similar melanin count to us. So not really sure what that means. And then you had people like

00:57:43.980 Lecrae, like Preston Perry, all sharing these gifs in response saying, you know, like rooting Charlie

00:57:53.140 dates on for calling him uncle ruckus and for saying that he's enslaved because he called Charlie dates

00:57:59.480 his words, CRT light. And, you know, I probably shouldn't have inserted myself into this, but,

00:58:05.220 you know, I always like to share arrows with my, with my friends. Um, and, uh, yeah, it didn't,

00:58:13.400 I tried to go back and forth with Ben Watson thinking, cause we've had back and forth before

00:58:17.240 disagreeing and thinking, okay, maybe I can unify them on the life issue. That didn't work out very

00:58:22.020 well. Those tweets are still up. Um, and so, yeah, I just noticed that a lot of these people who will

00:58:27.120 claim that like, I'm divisive for never using that kind of sassiness or that kind of pettiness or 0.81

00:58:33.620 those kinds of ridiculous comments. I can't with her, but actually like strongly saying what I 0.55

00:58:38.360 believe is true. They'll say that's mean spirited. That's unkind. That's unempathetic. That's divisive.

00:58:43.260 You'll see this kind of like behavior a lot. Um, just taking it to like the next personal level and

00:58:48.500 then cheering it on. So that's a little troubling. And, you know, I had a lot more to get into when it

00:58:54.320 comes to Democrat abortion policies to just like remind you of how radical they are. I don't,

00:58:59.360 I mean, it's already gone long. I don't really have time to get into all of that, but just like

00:59:02.880 a quick, quick reminder that when Ben Sasse tried in 2019, the beginning of 2019 to pass in the Senate,

00:59:12.400 the born alive abortion survivors protection act, he had zero Democrats sign on. It literally just said

00:59:18.540 you have to provide healthcare for a baby that survives an abortion. So outside of the womb 0.98

00:59:22.660 and Democrats wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it still. I mean, this bill is presented a lot to

00:59:28.420 just, I think mostly kind of show also how Democrats stand on this. And so it was presented

00:59:34.160 again, January, 2023 and Republicans voted for it. Only one Democrat voted for it from related,

00:59:40.700 uh, Laredo, Texas. One Democrat voted present, but the rest of the Democrats all voted no on providing

00:59:47.460 healthcare to a baby that survives an abortion. You'll remember that Elizabeth Warren,

00:59:52.640 she's on a tear against pregnancy centers, trying to make it as difficult as possible for women to 0.99

00:59:56.640 access pregnancy centers, saying that they're actually centers for manipulation and deceit when

01:00:01.360 the exact opposite is true. That's true of Planned Parenthood. Of course, Biden supports abortion as far

01:00:07.240 as we see, doesn't support any abortion limits, also supports overturning the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde

01:00:12.180 Amendment protects our tax dollars from funding abortion on a federal level. He says, no, we actually

01:00:17.620 should be forced to pay for abortion with our, uh, with our tax dollars. Um, you will also see the

01:00:26.280 kind of rhetoric from people like AOC, from Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, from all members of the

01:00:32.660 squad and from the Democrat party decrying the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which simply allows

01:00:37.620 states to restrict abortion. They think this is terrible. They think it's awful. Uh, they want to

01:00:43.380 make it as easy as possible for women to be able to access abortion. And they'll even say things that 0.78

01:00:48.860 are not true. Like Sotomayor said that women are more likely to die from birth than an abortion,

01:00:54.380 but that's actually not true. A 2017 peer-reviewed systematic analysis found 11 separate studies that

01:01:01.780 examined death certificates linked to reproductive health records. And every one of the 11 studies

01:01:05.200 showed elevated risks of death among women following abortion. Um, and we already talked

01:01:13.140 about some of the laws that have been passed, the policies that have been pushed in several

01:01:16.780 Democrat states across the country to enshrine abortion as a right through all nine months of

01:01:22.300 pregnancy. And remember in, I think it was 2018, 2018 or 2019, when we saw New York pass the law that

01:01:31.100 really allows abortion for any reason through all nine months, again, as long as the mental health or

01:01:36.660 emotional health of the mother is, uh, being protected in some way, apparently through this abortion. And

01:01:42.180 they lit up the skyline pink in celebration of that. Cheers came from the chamber. Cheers for the violent

01:01:48.340 dismemberment of babies. Representative Eric Swalwell, who is a representative from California, uh, he is

01:01:55.720 demanding the passage of the women's healthcare protection act, which would strike down any

01:02:00.980 abortion law or regulation in any state that isn't applied to a quote unquote medically comparable

01:02:06.000 procedure. And the legislation leaves it up to abortion doctors to determine what counts as medically

01:02:11.240 comparable, uh, procedure strike down, uh, state laws establishing 24 hour waiting periods before an

01:02:18.100 abortion is performed informed consent laws. So you would be able to, uh, so it would abolish informed 0.79

01:02:24.340 consent laws. It would abolish any bans on sex selective abortions and it would get rid of most health and

01:02:31.200 safety regulations surrounding abortion. Um, it would override all state laws. And so this is what tyrants

01:02:37.840 do. This is, you want to talk about power. You want to talk about forcing your views on other people. Democrats

01:02:42.840 are trying to federally enshrine abortion as a right to make it impossible for states to restrict abortion. Of course,

01:02:49.800 Democrats are the party of federalized power and trying to force their views on you. Ask Jack Phillips

01:02:57.500 which party he thinks is more hungry for power and forcing their views on other people. But it's true

01:03:03.920 when it comes to abortion. The two sides are not morally equivalent. They're both imperfect. None of them

01:03:11.180 are salvific. But again, one side cheers on actively the dismemberment of babies. One side doesn't. One

01:03:20.760 side isn't strong enough on it. Republicans aren't strong enough, but they're doing a lot more to

01:03:25.980 protect these babies than Democrats are. One side cheers on the butchering of the bodies of gender 0.93

01:03:31.680 confused children. The other side doesn't. Just on these two issues alone, it's, it's, again, it's just

01:03:38.680 not difficult. It's not difficult. You could say Republicans can do better on issues. I certainly

01:03:44.300 believe that. But to say that basically to believe that in order to really follow the way of Christ,

01:03:51.520 we have to pretend that the two sides are equal morally in the issues that they stand for and fight

01:03:58.800 against, it's just not true. And it's not necessary. It's not necessary. We don't have to be moral

01:04:05.320 relativists in order to be Christians, in order to recognize the imperfection of our, of our political

01:04:16.520 system. And I wish I had time to get into the racist history of abortion, the racist history of

01:04:22.020 Planned Parenthood. You'll have to buy my book when it comes out next year to get all of that. Gosh,

01:04:26.120 the connections between Margaret Sanger and the eugenicists and Darwin and the Nazi party. I mean,

01:04:31.700 it's just insane. So yes, I will reiterate once again, evil, evil to support abortion. 0.99

01:04:41.560 Evil of Barack Obama to say what he did. Evil ideology. Evil party. Absolutely. We are talking

01:04:48.440 about a human rights atrocity of vulnerable and defenseless image bearers. As R.C. Sproul used to

01:04:56.520 say, I know one thing about God is that he hates abortion. Grace abounds for those who have had

01:05:04.060 abortion, those who have performed abortions. Always there's grace for all of us. But that should not 0.98

01:05:09.220 take away from the strength that we have on this issue. It is evil. All right. That's all we've got time

01:05:15.320 for today. We will be back here tomorrow, hopefully with a little bit of a shorter episode. We'll see

01:05:19.620 you guys then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 26, 2023

Ep 828 ｜ I Called Obama Evil. Christians Got Mad. Who’s Right？

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