Ep 828 ｜ I Called Obama Evil. Christians Got Mad. Who’s Right？
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Over the weekend, President Obama lamented restrictions on abortion that have been put in place since the overturning of Roe v. Wade last year. And some Christians took issue with that description, deeming it divisive and unkind. Were they right? We ll dig into all of this today on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by GoodRanchers.
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Over the weekend, Barack Obama lamented restrictions on abortion that have been put in place since the overturning of Roe v. Wade last year and celebrated that many states are creating a constitutional right to the slaughter of children.
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And I said that he is evil for saying this. And some Christians took issue with that description, deeming it divisive or unkind or unhelpful. Were they right? We'll dig into all of this today on this episode of Relatable, which is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code Allie at checkout. That's GoodRanchers.com. Code Allie.
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend. I don't know about you, but it is really heating up where I am. Like, like uncomfortable levels to the point to where even getting in a pool, you find no relief.
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Yeah, I chose to wear a sweater today. I'm not really sure why. I kind of feel like Regina George when they made fun of her for wearing sweatpants on Wednesday. And I'm like, it's the only thing that fits me right now.
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So I felt about choosing this sweater today as I am 31 weeks pregnant. And this is one of the only things that can fit me right now. As I was leaving, my husband was like, you are wearing a sweater and it is going to be in triple digits today.
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I was like, you know what? Just let me live my life. So we'll see. We'll see if I can get this, get through this episode without sweating bullets. Speaking of clothing, we've got some merch items coming out this week that I'm so excited about. Relatable bros. Finally, this is your time. This is your time.
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Uh, okay. Also, before we get started, if you love this podcast, please leave us a five-star
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leave a five-star review. Okay. Last thing before I get into what this episode is actually about,
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it's just a little Monday encouragement. As we always do, just do the next right thing
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in faith with excellence and for the glory of God, that is always enough. And in fact,
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as finite humans, as fallible people, as human beings with a limited capacity to do anything,
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that's really the only thing we are called to do. And the only thing we are capable of doing
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is the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God. That doesn't always
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mean something, uh, major and public to make a lot of waves. Maybe it does, but it can also
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mean changing the next diaper with joy, having the next conversation be sprinkled with grace,
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sending that email at work with, uh, excellence and enthusiasm, or it could be making the next
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big step of faith that, you know, that God has been calling you or you and your family too.
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So the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God, I was just thinking
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yesterday about the freedom that comes from that and the freedom that is granted to only worry about
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that because of the gospel. And we don't have to expend all of this energy trying to prove our value
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or to show our worth or to be acceptable or gain approval before God. We were singing in church
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yesterday, all sufficient merit, which is one of my new favorites. I love that song. It's not new,
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but it's kind of newer to me over the last year or so. And just the freedom, the liberation,
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the joy that comes from knowing that Christ has given his righteousness to us, that we can stand
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before God fully approved, fully pure, fully righteous, no matter what we've done. If by grace
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through faith, we have been saved by Christ. What amazing and freeing and joy inducing news is that,
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that we don't have to worry about proving ourselves to God or climbing our way up to God. But the unique
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part of Christianity is that Christ actually came down to us. God actually came down to us. He
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condescended himself to become flesh and to die the death that we deserve to die on our behalf. That is
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great, amazing, freeing news. And that frees us to only worry about doing the next right thing in faith
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with excellence and for the glory of God. And even that is powered by God, by the Holy Spirit. That
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doesn't even come from our own efforts. All right. So I just wanted to start the episode with that
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little bit of good news. And then we're going to talk about, I don't know if it's sad news. It's anger.
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I mean, it's anger inducing. And that is Obama's reaction to the anniversary of Roe v. Wade being
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overturned. Now, this is not surprising what he has to say. However, it is evil. It is. I mean,
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it's stomach churning. It's heartbreaking. And what I find even more heartbreaking is the reaction
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to what he said by some Christians. And we're going to talk about not just this tweet and what it
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represents, but my response to the tweet and then the response to my response by some who I would say
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represent what I would call third way ism. And I'll explain what I mean by that throughout the
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episode. This idea that as a Christian, we shouldn't be on the right. We shouldn't be on the left. We
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shouldn't necessarily be supporting all Republican policies or all Democrat policies. But there is like
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a third higher transcendent way of Christ that kind of brings together both sides of the aisle because
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both sides of the aisle, this idea would go are like equally imperfect and equally corrupt. And so
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we must choose a higher, better way. It sounds good. I see some flaws in that. And one of the flaws
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that I see represented is actually kind of embodied in the responses to my response to Obama. But we're
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going to spend some time talking actually about abortion policy in the United States and what is
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actually true about it. Because gosh, this still is an issue somehow that trips professing Christians up
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that still in the name of empathy, there are Christians who think that we need to have a
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nuanced approach to how we limit the slaughter of children on the legal level. And that's very
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disturbing to me. It's very sad to me. I know that because I have the stance that I do on this issue,
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there will be people professing Christians who say that I'm mean because of this, who will say that
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this is hateful, who will say that this is arrogant to have the stance that I do. But I think that there is
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nothing less arrogant than standing up for the voiceless, defenseless babies in the womb who
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at the very least deserve a legal right to not be murdered as the rest of us do, right? Life,
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liberty, pursuit of happiness guaranteed in the Declaration of Independence for a reason.
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Okay, Barack Obama, you might remember, he was the President of the United States at one point.
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He tweeted this just a couple days ago on the anniversary of the overturning of Roe v. Wade,
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which, wow, I'm still just praising God that he allowed that to happen after 50 years, 50 years of
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effort by pro-lifers and mostly pro-life Christians who advocate on behalf of the rights of the unborn.
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He says it's been a year since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade. Since then,
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14 states have banned most abortions, leaving millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn
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for the care they need. And yet, he says there are reasons to hope. After Roe v. Wade was overturned,
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voters in Michigan, California and Vermont helped enshrine abortion rights in their state constitutions
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and governors in states like Nevada, Hawaii and Pennsylvania have signed executive orders to protect
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abortion access. Wow, I have so much to say about every single line of that tweet. But first,
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I mean, this is besides the point. I just want to point out something that I just kind of realized
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as I was reading this, leaving millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn. What about all the
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men that I hear about having babies? I heard that men can have babies. Any individual can have a baby.
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Wow, Obama, so regressive, so transphobic, very confused about that. Nevertheless, he does say
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millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn for the care they need. So let's go through some
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of these claims before we talk about my response and the responses to my response. So he says leaving
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millions of women and girls with nowhere to turn for the care they need. So this is according to Time
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Magazine, quote, in the six months since the U.S. Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, there were 5,377
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fewer abortions on average per month. According to a new report, the average number of terminations
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from July through December was seventy seven thousand seventy three, a seven percent drop from the average in
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April and May, according to a Tuesday report from the Society of Family Planning and the states with the
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strictest restrictions, Alabama, Arkansas, Idaho, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma,
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South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, West Virginia and Wisconsin. There were 265 abortions per month on
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average from July to September. That's a 96 percent drop from April and May. Amazing. Praise God. Like that
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should be something that Christians are able to unequivocally, without caveat, without nuances, without
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apology, unabashedly celebrate that these are image bearers of God who were protected from the
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predation of abortion and abortion providers. Remember last year when Roe v. Wade was overturned
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and we had all of these professing Christians like, you know, sprinkling their celebration of the
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overturning with Roe v. Wade with caveats and with, well, we sure this is OK, but remember, we still need
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to be adding. We still need to be doing more from the state. The state needs to be adding more to
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welfare. We still need to be doing X, Y, Z. No, just celebrate. Celebrate the fact that it is going to
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be easier to protect the dignity of unborn children in the womb, that it is going to be less likely for
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them to be slaughtered. Like, just praise God for that. We can have conversations about those things.
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I'm open to those conversations and debates and discussions. I truly am. But it's OK just to say,
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wow, God, in His grace and His providence, He allowed justice to prevail from the Supreme Court
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after years and years and years of mostly conservative Christians fighting on behalf
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of unborn children and their families. Also, this assertion that millions of women and girls
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with no and also just like the use of girls here is disturbing that they have nowhere to turn.
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Of course, he, like every other Democrat that I've seen, at least politician, I won't say every
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Democrat voter, they deny the existence or the helpfulness of pregnancy centers. They will say
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that these are manipulative clinics, that they're posing as abortion centers, and then they are giving
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these women misinformation about pregnancy and about abortion. No, that's not true. As per usual,
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progressives are scared of the truth. They don't want women to get these sonograms. They don't want
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them to hear the heartbeat. They don't want them to know what actually goes into an abortion. They
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don't want them to see depictions of that. They don't want them to even typically, I'm talking about
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the abortion lobby, have information about parenting, about adoption. I mean, woman after woman who has
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told me that they walked into a Planned Parenthood when they had an unplanned pregnancy has told me
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that the Planned Parenthood employee will say, you don't want to do this, right? Not do you want to do
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this, but you don't want to do this, right? Like you're in the middle of school. You're really young.
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Your financial situation isn't great. This relationship is unstable. You seem to not emotionally
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be doing well. Let's just take care of this. It's no big deal. It's just a clump of cells,
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which I understand. Like when you have the position that's as brutal as, hey, dismembering
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babies is okay. Then of course you have to use lies. You have to cover up. You have to use
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euphemisms. And so of course, Barack Obama being the radical abortion advocate that he is
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would deny, would completely ignore the reality of these pregnancy centers that far outnumber
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Planned Parenthoods, by the way. They meet the material needs of these women. They offer them the
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material resources. They even offer with Medicaid enrollment, um, uh, refuge from domestic abuse,
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immigration help, even labor, labor and delivery support. I will link the interview that I did
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with the pregnancy center, um, the head of a pregnancy center, uh, that I did a several months
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ago, just telling the stories of the women who walk in there and how they've been able to tangibly
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meet so many needs, but also spiritually meet needs. And even apart from what these pregnancy
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centers are doing on a daily basis to help these women and these families who are in crisis, which
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is just absolutely incredible. I mean, the hands of feet, the hands and feet of Jesus in amazing ways,
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but you'll remember this awesome story of you guys through an Amazon link donating through a baby
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registry to a pregnancy center, tons and tons of items because you guys are so generous. Just a thousands
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of these Amazon boxes showed up at this pregnancy center and the Amazon driver was dropping off these boxes
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and ask the volunteers at the pregnancy center, what are you guys, what are you guys doing? Like, why do you
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have so many Amazon boxes in right then? And there, a staff member of that pregnancy center got to share
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the gospel with that Amazon truck driver, that Amazon truck driver prayed right then that Christ would
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save him. So like, there are so many, so many ways that these pregnancy centers, these Christian
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pregnancy centers, they're mostly run, mostly run by evangelical conservatives. Um, there's so many
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ways that these pregnancy centers are making an impact for these communities, helping these women,
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but also sharing the gospel with everyone involved in the process. But of course, Obama says they have
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nowhere to turn. What he means is that it's harder to abort their babies. That's what he's saying.
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And he goes on to say this quote, and yet there are reasons to hope reasons to hope after he says it is
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now harder to abort your children. So what he's saying is that despair is giving babies a chance
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to live. We need hope because it's now more difficult in some states to kill babies in the womb.
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He says this quote, after Roe v. Wade was overturned, voters in Michigan, California, and Vermont
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helped enshrine abortion rights in their state constitutions and governors in states like Nevada,
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Hawaii, Pennsylvania have signed executive orders to protect abortion access. Gosh, you'll just
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notice euphemism after euphemism. That's what the abortion advocates do. They never use clear,
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precise scientific language to say what an abortion is. Even the word abortion is kind of a euphemism
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when you think about it. So he's right in some ways that there are some states who passed legislation,
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who passed policies that do make it very difficult to restrict abortion. Now, those of you living in
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those states in Michigan and California, you would probably take issue with this idea that the voters
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voted for these things just in the sense that there was so much manipulation. There was so much
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propaganda. There was so much misinformation from the billion dollar abortion lobby in your state that you
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really don't feel like it was a fair fight. And I would say that that's probably legitimate. But let me go
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through a few of these things that Obama is celebrating as hopeful, as wonderful. So earlier this year,
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Michigan passed Prop 3, adding abortion to its state constitution, allowing abortion for any reason
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through viability, 24 weeks, which is almost the third trimester, by the way, and also allows for
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abortion through all nine months of pregnancy, as long as it protects the health of the mother. Now,
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that does not mean save the life of the mother. That includes any form of physical health of the
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mother, but it also includes, according to Prop 3, the mental health of the mother, which, as we know,
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can really mean anything. So essentially, in Michigan, killing a baby in the womb is legal
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to and through 40 weeks gestation. Now, how likely or rare third trimester abortions are is totally
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irrelevant. Babies through all nine months of pregnancy, wiggling, feeling, moving babies through
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all nine months of pregnancy in the state of Michigan have zero right not to be violently
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murdered. That's what Obama is calling hopeful. Last year, California passed Prop 1, which added
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the quote-unquote right to abortion to the state constitution. Same deal as Michigan. No restrictions
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whatsoever through 24 weeks. After that, abortion is legal if the mother's mental health, even mental
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health, is negatively impacted. Like, you see where that goes, right? Oh, yeah. Like, she's sad that
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she's pregnant. Mental health problems. Okay, you can have an abortion at 35 weeks. Again, you can say
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that never happens. If that never happens, then we don't need these stipulations. If that never happens,
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then why not give these children the dignity of having the right not to be murdered? Vermont did the
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same thing last year by passing Prop 5. Abortion is a constitutional right in Vermont and does not have
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any restrictions whatsoever that I could read, correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't have any restrictions
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whatsoever through any trimester of pregnancy. So not even like a pretense of a protection through
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all nine months of pregnancy. So that is what Barack Obama is praising. This person who I think still
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claims he's a Christian. That's what he's calling hope. Now, notice he says the word enshrine, which in
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this context means to preserve like a right or a tradition or idea in a form that ensures it will be
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protected and respected. But the word enshrine can also mean to preserve or cherish as sacred.
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And shrine can mean to place a revered object on a shrine. Now, what does a shrine mean? A place
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regarded as holy. So whether Obama means to or not, he's describing exactly how the Democratic Party
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views abortion. As sacred, as holy, as a thing to be worshipped. Now, after this next ad break,
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I'm going to remind us what an abortion is. And it is, it's going to be graphic. I won't get as
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graphic as I could. And if you are already, you're already like, look, I'm anti-abortion. I don't need
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to be reminded of this. You can fast forward a few minutes into this, but I do think it's important
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to remember what specifically, scientifically, we're actually talking about.
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All right. So just a brief explanation, a reminder of what we are actually talking about again.
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So through 12 weeks gestation. So in that first trimester, women typically undergo medication
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abortion. So they're first given a pill called mifepristone that blocks the hormone progesterone,
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which is necessary for new life to grow. Without progesterone, the lining of the uterus breaks down,
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which makes it impossible for the embryo or fetus to grow. Essentially, the baby is starved.
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The baby is starved of nutrients and dies. Now, I remember my first, or it was my second ever
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ultrasound with my first baby. The first time, that first ultrasound at eight or so weeks,
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that baby looks like a little jelly bean. You see the beating heart and it's amazing. But
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if you had a second sonogram still in the first trimester like I did, 11 and a half weeks,
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oh my gosh, the transformation is incredible. So still in the first trimester, I saw this little
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perfectly formed, fully developed, but just small baby in my womb, arms, legs, brain. You can see where
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the teeth are coming in. You can see the ribs. You can see all the little fingers and toes kicking and
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flipping. I mean, it was so vivid and you're like, oh my gosh, I'm still in the first trimester. This
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is a little, this is a little baby moving around, which of course, from the point of, of conception,
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it's always a human, but still, I think people forget. People forget like what we're talking
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about here. Still in the first trimester, you're looking at a baby. If you saw a sonogram of an 11
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week baby in the womb, you would see what looks like a baby. All right. So we are talking about
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these little babies being starved of their nutrients through a poisonous pill. The second
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step is then to give the mother misopristal, which causes the uterus to contract and then
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expel the baby. Horrible, horrible stories you've probably seen of women having heavy cramping for
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hours, bleeding, and then sitting on the toilet, just bleeding out, sometimes very dangerously.
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And sometimes these horror stories of women looking down and seeing that little tiny human
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being with the fingers and the toes in their toilet, like that's not an exaggeration. That's
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not hyperbole. That's what, that's scientifically what it is. It doesn't just always look like a clump
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depending on how far along you are. So that's first trimester abortion. That's when the vast
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majority of abortions happen, but we're still talking about a violent, brutal killing experience.
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And then aspiration abortion is typically performed through 10 to 21 weeks gestation. It removes the
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baby via suction. First, the abortion provider places sticks in called laminaria into the woman's
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cervix 24 to 48 hours before the procedure, opens up the cervix, soaks up the amniotic fluid, which is
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necessary for the baby's survival. So because of this, the baby is sometimes already dead by the
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time of the actual procedure, because it can't survive very long without that amniotic fluid.
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But many times they're not. So dead or alive during this aspiration abortion, the baby's limbs, torso,
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and skull is sucked out of the uterus using a vacuum. Sometimes you have to use forceps in order to do
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this, depending on how big the baby is. Sometimes the skull is just not big enough to be able to fit
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through the cervix without being crushed. In a D&E abortion, which is usually reserved for babies
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after 20 to 21 weeks gestation, which you could say, oh, that never happens. It does happen. It
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happens at least pre-Roe. It was about 10,000 abortions a year were these late-term abortions.
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This abortion procedure starts the same way an aspiration abortion does with the laminaria to
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dilate the cervix. But because the baby at this point is too big to be sucked out with a vacuum
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tube with aspiration, her actual killing and removal requires more steps. So to ensure fetal demise,
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as the abortion industry describes it, the baby is killed by the abortionist inserting a needle filled
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with digoxin, I think that's how you pronounce it, or potassium chloride, which just as an aside,
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it's the same poisonous chemical combination used for the lethal injection of convicted murderers on
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death row. Using the same combination of chemicals for these innocent babies inside the womb. So
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that's inserted through the mother's abdomen into the uterus and the amniotic sac. Now, and this is
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very hard. I'm like, I always have to try really, really hard to kind of detach myself as I'm describing
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this. So I'm not just like a puddle of emotion. If the baby stops wiggling long enough while this is
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happening, the abortionist can inject the poison directly into her heart. And when the poison is
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released into her heart, or if the baby is moving too much, just into the amniotic sac, the baby
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consumes the poison and dies. It causes a cardiac arrest. So it causes a heart attack that ends up
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killing her. So that's what happens in these later abortions. And the baby has gotten so big and her
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movements have become so strong that the mother has been able to feel her punch and kick for a while
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now. And so without the numbing medication that is used for women during this procedure, the mother
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would feel the movement of her child as this baby is being killed. The baby has developed enough to see,
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to hear, and depending on her age, feel the pain of an abortion. And like, these are the abortions that
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are enshrined, as Barack Obama said, into law in the several states that he mentioned. And he's saying
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this is hopeful. He's saying this is good. These kind of brutal murderers of these innocent, wiggling
00:26:52.040
image bearers of God, he's saying this is a good thing. We need to, we need this to spread across the
00:26:58.600
country. We need to make it as easy as possible for these babies to be forced into cardiac arrest,
00:27:03.560
to be dismembered, to be aspirated out of the womb, to be poisoned and starved. He says this is a good
00:27:11.460
thing. This is hopeful, something we can really hang our hat on, need to be enshrined, held up as holy
00:27:18.500
in the law. So here is my response to what Obama said. Evil man, evil ideology, evil party. Christians have
00:27:28.400
no excuse to ever support these people. There is no both sides argument. Yeah. Regarding this holy,
00:27:35.040
sacred, hopeful, a right, the brutal killing of innocent, defenseless human beings simply because
00:27:40.420
of the location in which they reside, their age, their size, their stage of development, and their
00:27:45.360
inability to fight back is evil. It's evil. Only an evil ideology and an evil political party can not
00:27:54.220
only allow such a thing, but actively applaud and celebrate it because they do, by the way.
00:28:00.120
Because they do. Democrats celebrate it. Like you will not find a Democrat activist or a Democrat
00:28:06.160
politician who does not celebrate abortion, who will say, ah, should be safe and but legal and rare
00:28:12.680
because it's a, it's just an evil. It's a necessary evil and I don't like it, but we just have to allow
00:28:19.960
women to do it through some trimesters of pregnancy. If you can find that Democrat politician, like I
00:28:26.080
would like to see them today. Yeah, sure. I mean, Barack Obama and Joe Biden were saying that maybe 15
00:28:33.020
years ago today, you're not going to find any prominent Democrats doing that. Again, maybe some
00:28:40.060
Democrat voters, but not the people they're voting for. And yet, knowing everything that we know about
00:28:47.800
abortion. A holocaust of human beings. Some people, Christians, took issue with my tweet of calling
00:28:56.420
Obama evil, this ideology evil, this party evil, saying that on this issue, there's no both sides.
00:29:02.200
On some issues, there probably are. On this issue, there's not. There's not a both sides argument.
00:29:09.540
And so Justin Giboney of the AND campaign, you've probably heard of the AND campaign. Maybe,
00:29:14.580
maybe not. Producer Brie had not heard of the AND campaign, so you might not have heard about it.
00:29:20.360
It bills itself as a nonpartisan organization meant to bring Christians from both sides of the aisle
00:29:24.220
together on various political issues. I do not believe that that's, I don't see that as its core
00:29:32.660
mission. That's my opinion. I can get more into that in a second. But he responded to what I had to
00:29:37.500
say he didn't, he took issue with what I said. And so I'll read his response.
00:29:53.520
So here's what Justin said. And well, by the way, let me say, I have had Justin on. I had Justin on a
00:29:59.120
few years ago. And so you can go back, you can listen to that conversation, because I've had
00:30:03.800
disagreements with the AND campaign and like how they, their mission and how they function for a
00:30:09.700
while or like what they say they stand for versus what it seems to me, to me, it's just my perspective
00:30:16.360
on what they stand for. So I wanted to have him on. And I always allow my guests to talk,
00:30:21.020
especially the guests that I like disagree with. And so I think that you will find that it was very
00:30:25.440
fair. That doesn't mean that I agreed, though. Some people were mad. It seemed like I didn't agree
00:30:30.580
or like I didn't end up saying, oh, yeah, you're right. Well, I didn't agree. I didn't agree
00:30:35.560
with a lot of things. So I did have him on. We have talked before. And I did say on Instagram
00:30:42.580
originally, oh, he hasn't invited me to have a conversation, which he reminded me was not true.
00:30:48.360
And so I owned the mistake on Instagram and I owned the mistake here. And I should have checked. I
00:30:54.320
should have checked before I said anything. But he did invite me on. I was on maternity leave a couple
00:30:59.380
years ago. And so it didn't happen. And it just I didn't follow up or anything. And so it didn't
00:31:05.860
happen. But he did invite me. So to be fair, he invited me. He's been on my show. And I really
00:31:11.560
appreciate that. I still think that we probably personally agree on a lot of things. We disagree
00:31:16.440
on how to apply a lot of our similar convictions politically. So here's what he said to my response
00:31:23.720
to Obama when I said evil man, evil ideology, evil party. Christians have no excuse to ever support
00:31:28.840
these people, which I think is true. He says, in other words, we get abortion partially right.
00:31:35.260
So you must agree with us on everything, even when our leaders show a lack of concern for the lives of
00:31:40.120
immigrants, black men killed by authorities, pregnant black women, the uninsured poor and create laws to
00:31:46.660
make it harder to vote. That was his response to me. He goes on to say in another tweet, thou shall vote
00:31:51.680
Republican is not in the Bible. I voted for both parties and have plenty of criticism of Democrats,
00:31:55.320
including abortion and immigration. But this narrative is wrong and extremely disrespectful
00:31:59.380
to millions of faithful black Christians. People only feel good saying things like this when they
00:32:03.860
lack relationship with Christians from other traditions. Okay. So I'm interested to hear what
00:32:11.520
your response would be to that. My response is that this is a total non sequitur, which is a classic
00:32:18.420
logical fallacy that refuses to deal with the argument at hand by redirecting attention to other places.
00:32:23.600
This is a very typical tactic. You I bring up the evil of abortion or the pro-lifer brings up the evil of
00:32:28.940
abortion. And the other side will say, well, what about these 10 other bad issues over here?
00:32:33.760
I said nothing in this tweet about having to vote Republican to be a Christian, as he claims I did now.
00:32:39.660
And I also didn't talk about like many of the other things that he said that I am implying or saying.
00:32:46.280
Uh, now I did say that Christians shouldn't vote Democrat in so many words. And I've said that
00:32:51.960
before, uh, many times on this show, but that is not the same as saying that you must vote Republican.
00:32:58.360
Now, I personally don't vote independent or choose not to vote, but there are some Christians that do.
00:33:04.620
And I don't agree with that, but I am more supportive of that than I am a professing Christian voting
00:33:11.140
Democrat. I don't have to jump through any logical or theological hoops to say very confidently that
00:33:17.960
a Christian should not vote for the party that celebrates dismembering children and chemically
00:33:23.000
castrating preteens. It's just like not really a tough one for me, but I've also said a few things
00:33:29.840
consistently. Number one, voting Democrat in itself is not an indication of someone's salvation one way
00:33:37.120
or the other. Why? Because, and some people aren't going to like this, but you can be wrong and be a
00:33:43.240
Christian. Like thankfully for all of us, right? Like we will all, all who are Christians, like we will
00:33:48.580
all go to heaven being wrong about lots and lots of things. There's no one that is going to leave this
00:33:54.460
earth going to heaven being right about everything. So all of us will die with opinions and thoughts
00:34:02.200
that are just not right. So thankfully, like we can be Christians and be wrong. I think people who
00:34:09.220
vote Democrat are wrong. I think they're wrong to do so. I think Christians who vote Democrat are
00:34:13.500
egregiously wrong to do so. But our vote is not what saves us or indicates our state of salvation.
00:34:19.800
Now, can you be ideologically progressive and be a Christian? No, I don't think so. Because neither
00:34:28.040
progressivism nor Christianity will allow that. But because progressivism is its own religion,
00:34:33.080
is its own faith. It's not just a set of principles. Like it has its own narrative of human history,
00:34:42.300
of its own idea of salvation, its own separate idea of sanctification, its own idea of morality,
00:34:48.800
of right and wrong, of even like what it means to be human. Progressivism rejects the Christian
00:34:57.360
tenets on all of these things at their very core. It also includes support for abortion,
00:35:04.160
for gender confusion, for the reformulation of the family, for the sexualization of children,
00:35:08.860
among other things that are diametrically opposed to what the God of the universe says is good and
00:35:14.060
right and true. So when it comes to progressivism as an ideology or Christianity, they don't mix.
00:35:19.840
They can't. But it is possible. And by the way, let me just say, conservatism, I'm not saying,
00:35:26.960
of course, Chrysler's conservatism is just as impotent as progressivism is. But conservatism
00:35:33.840
doesn't have the same competing narrative about human nature and human origins and salvation and
00:35:41.600
holiness and sanctification as to like contrary to the Bible as progressivism does. It really is
00:35:49.660
like a set of ideas, a set of principles, which is why conservatives tend to disagree on a lot more
00:35:55.300
than progressives do. It's like a religion versus a set of ideas. But it is possible. It is possible,
00:36:02.700
though I would say incoherent, to hold orthodox biblical views and still vote Democrat. Again,
00:36:10.400
I say strongly that it is wrong. But the blue vote or the red vote in themselves cannot tell us
00:36:16.060
whether someone is truly saved. I do know truly saved from everything that I can tell,
00:36:22.120
Jesus loving people who have voted Democrat. Man, oh man, I think that they are dead wrong
00:36:29.000
to do that. But I don't doubt that they love Jesus. I see them in the word. I see them sharing
00:36:34.860
the gospel. I just think that they really misunderstand the issues. Okay, a number two,
00:36:42.900
number two, another thing that I have said consistently. Like if I were to entertain,
00:36:48.980
that is, the non sequitur about all the other issues that are brought up without actually dealing
00:36:54.080
with the evil of abortion, which he never addresses in his response. I wouldn't even grant that
00:36:59.520
Democrats get those other issues right. This is actually like a big portion of what my next book
00:37:04.120
is about. I do not believe Democrats' immigration policy or crime policy or racial policy or economic
00:37:09.720
policy or whatever is beneficial to the slightest. In fact, I would argue that they're all terrible,
00:37:15.640
cruel policies that leave every single city dominated by them ruined. Like when we look at the
00:37:21.360
most solidly democratic cities, do we see Black people, immigrants, women, poor people thriving?
00:37:28.220
Seattle, San Francisco, New York City, LA, Denver, Austin have the lives of these people
00:37:32.760
in these cities improved over the past several years as progressive policy has been more intensely
00:37:39.060
implemented. Like I think we all know the answer to that. Like even progressives are leaving San
00:37:43.940
Francisco because of the drug policy, because of the so-called social justice policy,
00:37:47.440
because of the so-called racial justice policy that is distributing wealth from one group of people to
00:37:53.200
the other in the name of reparations. Like walk through the streets of San Francisco and see how
00:37:57.720
the social justice policies passed by Democrats is working out. And no, this myth that Republicans
00:38:04.820
make it harder to vote by rejecting the Democrat plan to federalize all elections, which would actually
00:38:10.020
make it harder to vote with integrity, is ridiculous. We apparently saw Jim Crow type voting laws in Georgia
00:38:16.660
a couple of years, a couple of years ago, and yet Black people turned out in record voting numbers in
00:38:21.660
the following election. So that's debatable. Like I'll say that that's debatable. There's probably
00:38:25.420
legitimate points on both sides of that issue. But to just say that Republicans get all these things
00:38:30.660
wrong, and I guess the implication is that Democrats get them right or more right, I totally take issue with.
00:38:36.500
So even to follow the non sequitur, I don't think that's a legitimate line of even like the even peripheral
00:38:45.400
peripheral reasoning. Now, maybe he's just saying that Republicans don't get these things right either, which
00:38:52.500
OK, I can hear I can totally hear that out. I actually love hating on Republicans. My criticism of Republicans,
00:38:59.760
however, it does come from the right. It doesn't come from like a moderate place. It comes from a place of saying, I don't
00:39:05.400
think that Republicans are nearly conservative or moral or consistent enough for me. But OK, we've got
00:39:12.460
one party that celebrates the double mastectomies of gender confused girls and ripping apart babies in
00:39:18.900
the womb. And then we've got another party that is against these things, but also could be better in
00:39:24.300
other areas. So, yeah, like I don't really have to jump through any hoops or like I don't really have to
00:39:31.920
do any mental gymnastics to say, yeah, they're not morally equivalent. And that's really kind of my
00:39:37.060
big problem that I'll get into is pretending like on every issue, like both sides are morally
00:39:44.100
equivalent, like, oh, pro-choicers get some things wrong, but pro-lifers do too. No, like one position
00:39:49.160
is better. One position is more biblical. No position is going to be perfect, but it's OK to not be a moral
00:39:55.400
relativist. Like it's OK to just say, no, Republicans get it more right on the bigger things. It's OK to say that.
00:40:01.920
And that, no, being pro-choice, pro-legal dismemberment of babies is not morally equivalent
00:40:08.300
to being against that, but maybe getting some things wrong on welfare. Like they're not equal.
00:40:14.720
Another thing, number three, I think I want to address disrespectful to black Americans, he says.
00:40:23.420
OK, I know that over 90 percent of black Americans, including professing black Christians,
00:40:28.100
vote Democrat. It's been that way for a long time. Black churches are extremely
00:40:31.700
overtly political. Personally, I think more so than any majority white Southern Baptist church
00:40:37.840
I've attended in my life. They're completely unabashed in supporting Democrats in the name
00:40:41.920
of liberation. Like even Charlie Dates, who many evangelicals regard as orthodox,
00:40:47.220
and I'm sure I'm sure he is in a lot of ways, platformed far left Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot,
00:40:53.040
called her Auntie Lori, at his church recently. Like,
00:40:56.920
but I didn't mention that in my tweet, nor was I talking about that at all. But I guess the
00:41:02.580
accusation is that this is offensive to them because I say the Democrat Party is evil. But why
00:41:08.780
would my assessment of the party change based on how many black people vote for them? Like it wouldn't
00:41:13.780
matter to me if it were 2 percent black people voting Democrat or 100 percent of black people voting
00:41:18.080
Democrat. The number of black, white, Hispanic people who vote Democrat does not change what it stands
00:41:25.740
for. So why in the world would the number of any kind of person voting Democrat change what I think
00:41:31.820
about the party? I think that the people who vote for them are wrong, no matter what the skin color is.
00:41:39.780
Same response to his last comment. Nothing said here responds to the fact that abortion is evil.
00:41:47.880
Enshrining it is evil. Fighting for it is evil. Absolutely.
00:41:51.780
Absolutely. Um, so that would be, that's my, that's my basic response. There are other things that
00:41:59.060
I could say, um, about the and campaign, like, and about Justin, I have no reason to doubt like his
00:42:07.740
sincerity, his integrity, his Christianity. As I said, I've had him on before. Um, so I'm, I'm not
00:42:16.220
demonizing. I'm not attacking. I'm not telling you to like unfollow that. I don't care about any of that.
00:42:21.760
I'm not, that's not my goal. Um, I, the and campaign is run by people as, as far as I can see,
00:42:30.400
as far as I know. And I think they're pretty open about this. So I'm not trying to paint them in a way
00:42:34.800
that they wouldn't agree with. They, their history is all Democrat activism. Their history is all with
00:42:41.040
the Democrat party. So from my vantage point, they punch right, but tickle left, if that. Um,
00:42:49.320
and they are effective, I think, in making a lot of conservative Christians feel that they
00:42:54.500
shouldn't vote for their convictions on abortion, or they shouldn't vote for their convictions on
00:43:00.320
gender, that these issues aren't really as important or that voting in alignment with
00:43:07.300
your convictions on these, on this issue. Um, well, I won't even say that the and campaign has said this.
00:43:13.540
It seems that a lot of people who follow them, uh, seem to think that voting your biblical
00:43:18.960
convictions is just about gaining power and forcing your views on other people. Look, a vote
00:43:23.940
is forcing your, is forcing your views on other people. That's what a vote is. You are bringing
00:43:29.200
your worldview to the voting box and you are voting in alignment with your convictions, whether you're
00:43:33.280
a Democrat or Republican, that's what everyone does. Of course, that's what Christians are called to
00:43:36.760
do. Um, so that's not me trying to demonize them or attacking. You should go look for yourself. Like,
00:43:41.780
you should read their book. You should look at their website. You should look at their social
00:43:44.600
media page. You should look at their social media page. Um, as I said, he and I do agree on some
00:43:49.260
important things when it comes to our personal convictions. I think about abortion and gender in
00:43:53.760
the family. I think personally, we probably agree on those things. Um, I haven't asked him about all of
00:43:58.840
his theological stances. I bet we align on a lot. We really disagree on how these, how to apply
00:44:05.060
these convictions policy-wise. Like, I would say that I feel the same way as them, but the opposite.
00:44:10.740
It seems to me, from what I've seen from the things that they've said, that they think both sides get
00:44:16.000
it wrong in some ways, but ultimately that the Democrat party is more compassionate, um, on most
00:44:22.780
things. Whereas I see it as the opposite, that both parties get things wrong, but Republicans are far
00:44:29.380
more right than Democrats are, um, on things. I've also invited Michael Ware of the ANN campaign on,
00:44:35.660
um, he, I believe, worked for the Obama administration and, uh, is a Christian, but I
00:44:41.800
haven't been successful, um, in getting him on. So that's my response to, to his tweet. I know some
00:44:48.560
people will be like, some moderates will be mad that I even responded to it. And again, because I don't
00:44:55.200
end up agreeing with what he said, that somehow I'm unteachable or arrogant, or maybe like, I just
00:45:00.840
disagree. Maybe I just disagree. Uh, there are a couple other people that weighed in that I wanted
00:45:04.780
to point out. Ben Watson, who is a pro-life activist and author and former NFL player. And then also
00:45:11.040
Latasha Morrison, she is the founder of Be the Bridge. And she wrote the book, uh, Be the Bridge,
00:45:16.240
which is about, uh, quote unquote, racial reconciliation. So I'll talk about that in just a second. And I think
00:45:22.480
that this is important because you guys are going to get these kinds of responses and push back too,
00:45:27.440
in your advocacy for voting for supporting the legal right of babies to live.
00:45:43.860
All right. So Ben Watson, pro-life advocate, um, he responded to what Justin Giboney said and said,
00:45:50.140
the type of Christianity she espouses includes voting records for membership in her world. She
00:45:54.580
creates the standards for how Christians are to behave. That's danger. That's a dangerous role to
00:45:58.880
assume. She is creating addendums to orthodoxy and tampering with idolatry for saying that Obama and,
00:46:06.720
uh, the Democrat party and the ideology that actively celebrates, celebrates dismembering kids is evil.
00:46:16.880
So I just have some questions about this claim. Again, saying so many things that I didn't say,
00:46:24.360
I did not say that your vote indicates whether or not you are a Christian. And again, I've been very
00:46:29.640
clear about that. As I just said, let me ask, is it creating addendums and tampering with idolatry
00:46:37.360
to say that celebrating the Holocaust is evil? Can I say Nazis were evil, chattel slavery, or is that
00:46:44.700
idolatrous? Like, would it be okay to say that the person and party that held the position that
00:46:50.400
supports putting Jewish people in gas chambers, uh, that they're evil? Or do I need to nuance that
00:46:56.660
position so as to make it less divisive? Like, insert whatever other human rights atrocity you'd like.
00:47:02.180
Force lobotomies, pushing, you know, like I said, pushing Jewish people into torture chambers, gas
00:47:08.980
chambers, Chinese railroads, Japanese internment camps. Like, if we lamented the restriction or the
00:47:14.780
abolition of those things and called enshrining the right to them hope, would it be okay to call that
00:47:22.980
evil? Or are we supposed to pretend that maybe gas chambers for Jews and gypsies is a nuanced issue
00:47:28.840
that Christians of varying Christian traditions can faithfully disagree on? Like, abortion is no less
00:47:33.660
evil than those things. So I just don't understand why we, why we change, why is that me setting
00:47:40.260
standards of behavior? Like, is like, is it evil? Is it evil for someone to celebrate the unrestricted
00:47:48.460
access to killing children or not? Why is that controversial for a Christian to say that Christians
00:47:54.260
should not support the people that celebrate that? It shouldn't be, it shouldn't be. And saying all
00:48:01.580
these things, like, I'm disrespecting Black Christians by saying that. I am tampering with
00:48:07.320
idolatry. I'm adding to orthodoxy. Okay, again, just replace abortion with any other human rights
00:48:15.840
atrocity, chattel slavery, Nazism. And let me know, like, if I should still be as nuanced so as to avoid
00:48:27.960
idolatry and adding things to the gospel, adding things to people's salvation, like, this is way
00:48:35.820
reading into something that I said, saying things that I absolutely did not say. LaTosha Morrison
00:48:43.580
commented on the Instagram post, because Justin Giboney also posted this to his Instagram,
00:48:50.700
so I originally saw it. She said, honestly, I can't with her. Oh, so many, so many bridges being built.
00:48:57.260
So she started the Be the Bridge curriculum. And this is supposed to be bringing Black and white
00:49:04.800
people together. Really, it's more about ensuring that white people feel the weight of the responsibility
00:49:11.540
for the oppression of Black people both today and historically, that they own up to that, that they
00:49:17.940
educate themselves about that. And I could do a whole episode. I probably have done at least segments of
00:49:24.420
episodes on this. But instead, I'm going to direct you, as I often do, to Neil Shinvee's blog post and
00:49:32.660
review. I think he's a very fair person. He's a very kind person. I've had him on the show a couple
00:49:37.120
times. I will include the link of the review of her Be the Bridge book in the description of this
00:49:42.800
episode. I really encourage you to read it, no matter what side you're on, because he goes through
00:49:46.800
the biblical issues with the theological foundation that she tries to set for her definition of racial
00:49:53.380
reconciliation. And interestingly, she's not called divisive by these same people, but she does make
00:49:58.340
this a salvation issue. I heard her at the IF gathering a couple of years ago basically say,
00:50:03.180
yeah, there are people who push back against what she's trying to do, but God always protects the
00:50:08.820
remnant. Oh, OK. That's not divisive, apparently. But saying Obama is evil for supporting the
00:50:16.020
unmitigated slaughter of children, that's divisive. So she says, honestly, I can't with her. And, you
00:50:21.580
know, this is something that I've noticed, too, is like just the sassiness in responses from people
00:50:28.400
when I say something that, you know, I believe to be true strongly. And then I get people saying,
00:50:35.380
wow, that's so mean, that's so divisive, that's so just wrong and unkind. And yet they are so
00:50:42.260
sassy. And again, using non sequiturs in their response. I see this all the time. I see this all
00:50:48.260
the time. So this is from the Be the Bridge Facebook page, just to kind of give you an idea. So this is
00:50:53.660
like these are part of the rules for the Be the Bridge Facebook page that is supposed to be bringing
00:50:58.340
white and black people together. So these are rules specifically for white people. Do not chastise
00:51:03.400
people of color or dismiss their message because they express their grief in ways that you deem
00:51:07.760
inappropriate. Understand that historically white people have silenced voices of dissent and lament
00:51:12.340
with our cultural idol of niceness. Provide space for POCs to wail, cuss, or even yell at you.
00:51:17.920
Jesus didn't hold back when he saw hypocrisy and oppression. POCs shouldn't have to either.
00:51:22.560
Is that real? Is that the same thing as Jesus turning over tables in the temple? Also, another rule that
00:51:28.940
Be the Bridge has in their Facebook discussion group is don't get defensive, white people,
00:51:32.620
when you are called out for any of the above. When a POC tells you that your words, tone, behavior
00:51:36.700
are racist, oppressive, or triggering, you stop. Don't try to explain yourself. Don't become
00:51:41.660
passive aggressive or sarcastic. Don't leave in a huff. It may be helpful to inconspicuously step
00:51:46.720
outside, go to the restroom. Remain cognizant of the dynamics of white fragility and take note of how
00:51:53.040
it usually shows up in you. Can I just read something really fast from the Bible? Can I just read something
00:51:59.120
really fast? Because this just reminds me, this segment, this is Be the Bridge, that a lot of
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churches use as their curriculum, apparently, to bring races together. Also, listen to my friends
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Daryl Harrison and Virgil Walker about their take on racial reconciliation. So let me just read you
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this section from James 3, starting in verse 13.
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Who is wise in understanding among you? By his good conduct, let him show his works in the
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meekness of wisdom. But if you have bitter jealousy and selfish ambition in your hearts,
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do not boast and be false to the truth. This is not the wisdom that comes from above, but is earthly,
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unspiritual, and demonic. For where jealousy and selfish ambition exist, there will be disorder in
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every vile practice. But the wisdom from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, open to reason,
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full of mercy and good fruits, impartial, impartial, impartial, and sincere. And a harvest of righteousness
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is sown in peace by those who make peace. Now, sowing peace doesn't mean that you can't say hard
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truths. It doesn't mean that you can't call some things good and some things evil. I'm not saying
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that. But when you just look at some of the rules, some of the regulations, some of the tenets put
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forward by groups like Be the Bridge, do you see impartiality? You know, in the Old Testament law
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giving, as we've talked about many times, one of the tenets of God's definition of justice, as we can
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see in Scripture, is that it is impartial. It doesn't defer to one class of people over another. He
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doesn't give preferential treatment to the poor. He doesn't give preferential treatment to the rich.
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When it comes to the law and law giving and trials and due process that we see in the Old Testament,
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God says it's evil to be partial to one party over the other based on socioeconomic status or based on
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any kind of influence. God hates partiality. So there's no differing standard for morality or
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differing standard for kindness, differing standard for decency when it comes to white and black people.
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Not according to God's word. Now, according to this ideology, sure. Not according to God's word.
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Like, one person isn't more justified in being unkind or being unloving to someone because they
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have a certain skin color and the other person doesn't. That's not how it works. And so really,
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you're like enslaving people to this unbiblical double standard. And there's no way. There's no way to
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make peace through that. Not true peace. Not gospel-centered peace. You can manufacture guilt,
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sure. And silence and hanging your head, sure. But with those kinds of double standards for
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kindness and morality that are not seen in the Bible and are actually explicitly rejected by the
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Bible, it's hard to see how you are going to bring people truly together to a place of love and
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understanding and peace in a way that is actually biblical. Because biblical reconciliation,
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first of all, it doesn't happen between two races that don't know each other. It happens between
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people. It happens between hearts. And there has to be a mutual humility, understanding of our own
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sinfulness on both parts. So anyway, that's that. But she can't with me, she says. All right. And,
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you know, like I said, this kind of like sassiness in response to what you may see as harsh words
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is it's very like typical from this group of people who always talks about like elevated dialogue and
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like better politics and a third way. And I first noticed this, maybe not first, but I noticed this
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really prominently in 2020. My friend Virgil Walker, who I've had on, a host of the Just Thinking
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podcast, he works for G3 Ministries. He's been very strong on the life issue, on the abortion issue for
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a very long time, has done a lot of good works outside of abortion centers and things like that.
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This was actually in 2021. He responded to something that, that Charlie Dates, Charlie
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Dates, I mentioned earlier, he's a pastor of large church in Chicago. He commented on something that
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Charlie Dates said in a sermon, and he called it CRT light, critical race theory light, which I think
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is a very charitable description of some of the things that Charlie Dates has said. Well, Charlie Dates
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responded with this. So this is, I mean, this is taking it to such a greater level than anything
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Virgil Walker said. Charlie Dates said, some Hebrews preferred Pharaoh to Moses and Egypt to Canaan.
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Harriet Tubman found it harder to get slavery out of the slave than to get the slave out of slavery.
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The boondocks had Uncle Ruckus, which is a cartoon character that thinks he's white. Now we have you.
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OK, so that's what I mean, he is accusing. He's accusing Virgil Walker because Virgil Walker disagreed
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with the progressive ideology that was that he says was being espoused by Charlie Dates. He called
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it CRT light. And then Charlie Dates said, oh, because you believe this, you think that you're
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white. You're really you have an enslaved mentality. It couldn't just be because he disagrees. Again,
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total non sequitur. He doesn't even address what's being said at all. Just says that he is a black
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person who thinks he's white, trying to gain the approval of white people. Benjamin Watson responded
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and said, kick rocks, Virgil Walker, in Jesus's name. Justin Gibbany said Virgil lacks his self-awareness
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to know that he's being used by people who need a black person to justify their failings. He's entitled to
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his opinion, but it's pretty sad that he tried to show out at the expense of his brother and such a
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serious issue. Okay. First of all, like our brothers and sisters are those in Christ, not those who
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have a similar melanin count to us. So not really sure what that means. And then you had people like
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Lecrae, like Preston Perry, all sharing these gifs in response saying, you know, like rooting Charlie
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dates on for calling him uncle ruckus and for saying that he's enslaved because he called Charlie dates
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his words, CRT light. And, you know, I probably shouldn't have inserted myself into this, but,
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you know, I always like to share arrows with my, with my friends. Um, and, uh, yeah, it didn't,
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I tried to go back and forth with Ben Watson thinking, cause we've had back and forth before
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disagreeing and thinking, okay, maybe I can unify them on the life issue. That didn't work out very
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well. Those tweets are still up. Um, and so, yeah, I just noticed that a lot of these people who will
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claim that like, I'm divisive for never using that kind of sassiness or that kind of pettiness or
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those kinds of ridiculous comments. I can't with her, but actually like strongly saying what I
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believe is true. They'll say that's mean spirited. That's unkind. That's unempathetic. That's divisive.
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You'll see this kind of like behavior a lot. Um, just taking it to like the next personal level and
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then cheering it on. So that's a little troubling. And, you know, I had a lot more to get into when it
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comes to Democrat abortion policies to just like remind you of how radical they are. I don't,
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I mean, it's already gone long. I don't really have time to get into all of that, but just like
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a quick, quick reminder that when Ben Sasse tried in 2019, the beginning of 2019 to pass in the Senate,
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the born alive abortion survivors protection act, he had zero Democrats sign on. It literally just said
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you have to provide healthcare for a baby that survives an abortion. So outside of the womb
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and Democrats wouldn't do it. They wouldn't do it still. I mean, this bill is presented a lot to
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just, I think mostly kind of show also how Democrats stand on this. And so it was presented
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again, January, 2023 and Republicans voted for it. Only one Democrat voted for it from related,
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uh, Laredo, Texas. One Democrat voted present, but the rest of the Democrats all voted no on providing
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healthcare to a baby that survives an abortion. You'll remember that Elizabeth Warren,
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she's on a tear against pregnancy centers, trying to make it as difficult as possible for women to
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access pregnancy centers, saying that they're actually centers for manipulation and deceit when
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the exact opposite is true. That's true of Planned Parenthood. Of course, Biden supports abortion as far
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as we see, doesn't support any abortion limits, also supports overturning the Hyde Amendment. The Hyde
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Amendment protects our tax dollars from funding abortion on a federal level. He says, no, we actually
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should be forced to pay for abortion with our, uh, with our tax dollars. Um, you will also see the
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kind of rhetoric from people like AOC, from Supreme Court Justice Sotomayor, from all members of the
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squad and from the Democrat party decrying the overturning of Roe v. Wade, which simply allows
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states to restrict abortion. They think this is terrible. They think it's awful. Uh, they want to
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make it as easy as possible for women to be able to access abortion. And they'll even say things that
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are not true. Like Sotomayor said that women are more likely to die from birth than an abortion,
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but that's actually not true. A 2017 peer-reviewed systematic analysis found 11 separate studies that
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examined death certificates linked to reproductive health records. And every one of the 11 studies
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showed elevated risks of death among women following abortion. Um, and we already talked
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about some of the laws that have been passed, the policies that have been pushed in several
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Democrat states across the country to enshrine abortion as a right through all nine months of
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pregnancy. And remember in, I think it was 2018, 2018 or 2019, when we saw New York pass the law that
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really allows abortion for any reason through all nine months, again, as long as the mental health or
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emotional health of the mother is, uh, being protected in some way, apparently through this abortion. And
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they lit up the skyline pink in celebration of that. Cheers came from the chamber. Cheers for the violent
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dismemberment of babies. Representative Eric Swalwell, who is a representative from California, uh, he is
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demanding the passage of the women's healthcare protection act, which would strike down any
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abortion law or regulation in any state that isn't applied to a quote unquote medically comparable
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procedure. And the legislation leaves it up to abortion doctors to determine what counts as medically
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comparable, uh, procedure strike down, uh, state laws establishing 24 hour waiting periods before an
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abortion is performed informed consent laws. So you would be able to, uh, so it would abolish informed
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consent laws. It would abolish any bans on sex selective abortions and it would get rid of most health and
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safety regulations surrounding abortion. Um, it would override all state laws. And so this is what tyrants
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do. This is, you want to talk about power. You want to talk about forcing your views on other people. Democrats
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are trying to federally enshrine abortion as a right to make it impossible for states to restrict abortion. Of course,
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Democrats are the party of federalized power and trying to force their views on you. Ask Jack Phillips
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which party he thinks is more hungry for power and forcing their views on other people. But it's true
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when it comes to abortion. The two sides are not morally equivalent. They're both imperfect. None of them
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are salvific. But again, one side cheers on actively the dismemberment of babies. One side doesn't. One
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side isn't strong enough on it. Republicans aren't strong enough, but they're doing a lot more to
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protect these babies than Democrats are. One side cheers on the butchering of the bodies of gender
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confused children. The other side doesn't. Just on these two issues alone, it's, it's, again, it's just
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not difficult. It's not difficult. You could say Republicans can do better on issues. I certainly
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believe that. But to say that basically to believe that in order to really follow the way of Christ,
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we have to pretend that the two sides are equal morally in the issues that they stand for and fight
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against, it's just not true. And it's not necessary. It's not necessary. We don't have to be moral
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relativists in order to be Christians, in order to recognize the imperfection of our, of our political
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system. And I wish I had time to get into the racist history of abortion, the racist history of
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Planned Parenthood. You'll have to buy my book when it comes out next year to get all of that. Gosh,
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the connections between Margaret Sanger and the eugenicists and Darwin and the Nazi party. I mean,
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it's just insane. So yes, I will reiterate once again, evil, evil to support abortion.
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Evil of Barack Obama to say what he did. Evil ideology. Evil party. Absolutely. We are talking
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about a human rights atrocity of vulnerable and defenseless image bearers. As R.C. Sproul used to
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say, I know one thing about God is that he hates abortion. Grace abounds for those who have had
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abortion, those who have performed abortions. Always there's grace for all of us. But that should not
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take away from the strength that we have on this issue. It is evil. All right. That's all we've got time
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for today. We will be back here tomorrow, hopefully with a little bit of a shorter episode. We'll see