Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 829

00:00:00.000 Demi Lovato has released a new song celebrating her pro-abortion stance called Swine.

00:00:07.380 These lyrics paint a really stark but important picture of what godlessness looks like when we

00:00:14.180 sacrifice everything on the altar of bodily autonomy. Also, it's been eight years since

00:00:19.300 the Supreme Court decided on Obergefell redefining marriage away from the age-old definition of a

00:00:27.980 man and a woman. What has that slippery slope since 2015 really looked like? But first,

00:00:34.920 we are going to start with a good news story, an incredible story of redemption and adoption,

00:00:40.700 a firefighter rescuing a baby that has now become his and his wife's daughter. So we've got a lot

00:00:48.140 to talk about today, a lot to get into. This episode is brought to you by our friends at

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00:00:57.980 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Is it Tuesday? I think it is. Hope everyone has had

00:01:14.260 a wonderful week so far. Got a lot to get through today. A lot of good feedback from yesterday's

00:01:21.940 episode. The thing I kept hearing was that you want to share the episode with those who are on

00:01:27.060 the fence about abortion or about how to vote. So do that. I think obviously they're going to have

00:01:32.180 some disagreements. They may even be offended by some of the things that I said, but you never know

00:01:36.120 what can plant seeds. So if you appreciated yesterday's episode, go ahead, share it with

00:01:41.440 a friend who may be on the fence or wondering why we should vote our convictions and why this whole game

00:01:47.200 of moral relativism that both sides are equally bad or equally good is just silly. It's just silly

00:01:53.300 and it's not very thoughtful. So thanks for your good feedback for yesterday. Go listen to it if you

00:02:00.140 haven't already. Also in a couple of days, just a couple of days, we've got a new merch drop that

00:02:05.160 you guys have been asking for. So stay tuned for that. Alliemerch.com. You can check out what we

00:02:10.260 already have, but the new stuff you're going to be really excited about, especially you related

00:02:14.980 bros out there. Okay. So we wanted to start today's episode with some good news, a good news story that

00:02:21.980 I think is so sweet because as usual, as we are being tossed to and fro on the undulating waves

00:02:31.040 of our culture, and we have to go through these chaotic and sad stories, I do like to be reminded

00:02:37.860 and to remind y'all that there are good things happening, that God's work doesn't always make

00:02:43.960 headlines. Sometimes it does, like the story we're about to talk about, but he is always

00:02:49.760 accomplishing his purposes. He is always spreading his gospel. He is always advancing his kingdom, and

00:02:55.040 that has not stopped even for a millisecond since the beginning of time. His eternal plan of redemption

00:03:00.400 is going off without a hitch. Even in this very fallen and broken world in which we live,

00:03:06.160 there are shoots of light shining through the crevices, and we like to look for those as much

00:03:13.340 as we possibly can. So we wanted to talk about this story about a firefighter who found an abandoned

00:03:19.240 baby in a safe haven baby box. So let me tell you from what is reported from today. I'm glad today

00:03:29.180 reported on this because it's a very sweet pro-life story. A firefighter in Ocala, Florida,

00:03:35.520 is that how you pronounce it? Ocala? Those of you who live there, you can correct me if I'm wrong.

00:03:40.840 Ocala, Florida was pulling an overnight shift at the station in January of this year when he was

00:03:46.060 awoken at 2 a.m. by an alarm. He knew that it wasn't a fire alarm. It was a different kind of alarm

00:03:52.060 that he heard, but that a newborn had been placed in the building's safe haven baby box,

00:03:58.040 a device that allows someone to safely and anonymously surrender a child, no questions

00:04:02.800 asked. This was the first infant to be surrendered through the safe haven baby box in Florida. So

00:04:09.020 just a little bit of background in case you haven't heard of a safe haven box.

00:04:14.200 It's Florida's only, this is Florida's only box. This is the only location in Ocala, Florida. There

00:04:21.280 are 153 active baby boxes currently in the United States, according to the safe haven baby box website.

00:04:28.540 This is an organization that was started by a woman who herself was conceived in rape

00:04:32.680 and then was abandoned. And so God has just used her story that started from a place of brokenness to

00:04:39.000 be a vessel of redemption for so many families and so many babies. There have been 132 babies legally

00:04:46.560 and safely surrendered through these boxes since their founding in 2017. The devices are temperature

00:04:53.180 controlled. They feature a bassinet style bed inside, easy for retrieval. Safe haven baby boxes

00:04:58.480 founder Monica Kelsey said babies in their boxes on average for about a minute and a half because

00:05:03.960 they're always being staffed. In this case, it was at a fire station. And so a firefighter

00:05:10.160 heard the alarm and immediately went down to look in the box. He actually thought, according to the

00:05:17.640 story, that it was a false alarm at first. The firefighter went to the box and was surprised to see that

00:05:22.560 there really was a healthy infant, I'm trying not to tear up, wrapped in a pink blanket. And he said this,

00:05:29.540 okay, I don't know if I'm gonna not be able to cry. This is just so sweet. He said this, quote,

00:05:33.780 I picked her up and held her. Okay, I'm also pregnant. This is really hard for me to read

00:05:40.500 without crying. He recalls, I picked her up and held her. We locked eyes. And that was it. I've

00:05:46.700 loved her ever since that moment. The firefighter and his wife had been struggling for more than a

00:05:51.920 decade to have a baby. When taking the baby to the hospital as part of the surrender procedure,

00:05:57.820 the firefighter wrote a note and left it with Zoe. He said, quote, I explained that my wife and I had

00:06:05.740 been trying for 10 years to have a baby. I told them we'd completed all of our classes in the state

00:06:10.820 of Florida and were registered to adopt. All we needed was a child. When the firefighter finally

00:06:15.840 spoke to his wife, she started crying. He did not want his wife to get too excited yet. He feared that

00:06:21.600 the note he wrote would not stay with Zoe and that she'd be gone. He described those

00:06:27.600 couple days as very stressful because you have to go through still the state. This child,

00:06:35.280 just depending on the laws, but they go through child protective services to be then placed for

00:06:45.540 adoption, to be placed with a family. And so there was no guarantee that just because this firefighter

00:06:51.820 rescued the baby and left the note that they were actually going to get the child.

00:06:55.400 Zoe was placed in the station safe haven baby box on January 2nd. Then on January 4th,

00:07:00.540 she was home with the firefighter and his wife. The couple adopted Zoe in April. The way I found

00:07:05.640 her, this was God helping us out. He says, adding that it's difficult not to cry when he tells the

00:07:10.180 story. Yeah, I can imagine. So he also hopes that his story gives birth mom's closure or gives the

00:07:18.580 birth mom closure. We want her to know that her child is taken care of and that she's loved beyond

00:07:24.140 words. Oh my goodness. I just love this story that God had already planned this little baby's life and

00:07:32.380 how she was going to be rescued before she was even conceived. That's what Psalm 139 tells us that

00:07:38.660 before we were even born, God had planned every single one of our days before any of them came to be.

00:07:44.640 And there should be absolutely no shame at all for the mothers who say, I can't do this for whatever

00:07:51.920 reason and put their babies in the safe haven box. That is such a loving and selfless thing to do

00:07:58.540 because there are stories. You probably heard the story of baby India from Georgia a few years ago,

00:08:05.380 who was placed in a plastic bag thrown into the woods. And thankfully she was saved by first

00:08:12.300 responders in that video. I saw it posted by Live Action the other day. Just so sad, but so sweet

00:08:18.120 that this healthy, crying, writhing little baby, she was rescued by these first responders who were so

00:08:23.780 gentle and so kind and so compassionate when they were talking to this child. And then the mother

00:08:28.660 actually ended up being charged and convicted of child abandonment. But you can avoid that kind of

00:08:39.020 cruelty. You can avoid that kind of choice. You can avoid that kind of punishment by finding a safe

00:08:47.600 haven box. And really, I wish that they were available on every block because they really

00:08:54.780 are effective. Having saved 132 babies, they also have a hotline that women can call. You can go to

00:09:01.580 their website. We'll link it in our description that they've referred women to pregnancy centers.

00:09:06.220 They've helped women with adoption processes. And I just think it's so beautiful how God orchestrated

00:09:13.880 all of this to rescue this child's life. And also that, wow, for years and years, they had struggled

00:09:20.860 with loss or they had struggled with infertility. They had struggled with wanting to have a child. And

00:09:25.980 God had this planned all along. So that's just another beautiful lesson in this, that in our waiting and

00:09:32.860 in our doubting and in our asking, why, God, why? Why haven't you fulfilled the desire of my heart

00:09:39.420 that you placed in me? You tell us to be fruitful and multiply. Why haven't you done this for me yet?

00:09:45.020 We have no idea. We have no idea how God, what God is planning. We have no idea how he's already

00:09:51.160 glorifying himself. We have no idea what he's doing in our hearts, in our lives, as we are waiting,

00:09:56.840 as we are being sanctified. Remember that for the Christian, nothing is wasted. No hardship,

00:10:02.980 no difficulty, no moment of waiting, no mundane task that you are fulfilling. Nothing is wasted for

00:10:09.640 a Christian, but it's all creating for us a glory that far outweighs everything we experience, both

00:10:15.340 good and bad today. So I just see this as such a beautiful picture, too, of the gospel, that this is

00:10:23.120 us. We do nothing to rescue ourselves. We are just as vulnerable, just as helpless, just as defenseless,

00:10:33.780 just as needy as this child who is placed inside this box. And God, through his power, through his

00:10:40.840 love, through his goodness, completely rescues us and saves us. And so such a beautiful story. I just

00:10:48.620 wanted to start out the day with that because we are going to talk about the sadder, more turbulent

00:10:53.400 stuff, but gosh, God is always working. And I guarantee there are stories like this happening on a daily

00:10:59.060 basis that we don't see. So don't think that everything that you see on Twitter, everything

00:11:03.380 that you see on Instagram, everything that has discouraged Christians in the month of June,

00:11:07.940 that that is the main narrative. The main narrative is always that God is on his throne.

00:11:12.660 And there are beautiful things being worked out on a daily basis for his glory and are good.

00:11:31.880 Okay. I just wanted to say one more thing about the safe haven laws. You can go to childwelfare.gov,

00:11:38.080 childwelfare.gov, and see what the regulations are in your state, because every state has different

00:11:44.440 stipulations around this. Like, for example, in Alabama, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Michigan,

00:11:48.960 Washington, and Wisconsin, they limit relinquishment, like legal relinquishment of your baby to infants

00:11:54.360 who are no more than 72 hours old. Whereas in some states, like Missouri, it can be 45 days old,

00:12:01.520 60 days in Kansas, Louisiana, South Carolina, South Dakota, and Texas, 90 days in New Mexico,

00:12:06.300 one year in North Dakota. I mean, that's wild. That's wild. I mean, in a good way. I'm glad

00:12:12.740 that there are legal means, but it's just crazy how big the range is. So go to childwelfare.gov.

00:12:19.120 You'll be able to see the different stipulations. It's really important that we get this information

00:12:23.080 out there. I think a lot of women just don't know if they're in a crisis situation. They don't have

00:12:27.980 to go through drastic measures that will actually traumatize or hurt their child, but they can do the

00:12:34.140 most compassionate thing possible, which is try to give that child a loving home that can take care

00:12:39.400 of them. All right. Let's get into, so that was light. Let's look at the darkness just a little

00:12:46.760 bit and respond to it with truth. So Demi Lovato, you've probably heard about this. She just released

00:12:54.300 a new song called Swine. Now, Demi Lovato is a singer, and she's had a lot of, she's had a lot of

00:13:02.920 trouble over the past few years. She, I think, went to rehab because of addiction for a while

00:13:10.000 there, which is very sad. She claimed to be a lesbian at one point. Then she claimed to be a

00:13:14.900 they-them. Now she's back to she-her, because she said they-them was too exhausting, having to

00:13:21.240 correct people and all that stuff. Yeah, because it's not natural to call someone that you know is a

00:13:28.700 woman something other than she heard. It's definitely not natural to call someone by

00:13:34.120 plural word, like they. But now she's still, you know, in her progressive activism. And she has

00:13:43.020 written this song and performed this song that is apparently about abortion. So this is via People

00:13:50.500 Magazine. On Thursday, June 22nd, Demi Lovato released her newest song, Swine, about her strong

00:13:56.900 pro-abortion stance just days prior to the anniversary of Roe being overturned. For one

00:14:02.720 year, the profits from the song will be donated to the Reproductive Justice Fund at the Demi Lovato

00:14:09.480 Foundation. The funds will then be directed to three nonprofit organizations, NARAL, Pro-Choice

00:14:14.880 America, Plan C, the National Network of Abortion Funds. I mean, there are just so there's so much

00:14:23.680 here. There's so much here. I don't know why it kind of just like makes me laugh a little bit in a

00:14:28.360 very dark and sad way. Abortion is not a laughing matter. But I feel like she's just trying so many

00:14:33.880 ways and so many different avenues to be taken so seriously, not just as an artist, but also as this

00:14:40.160 activist. And if you want to know why this is so terrible, go back and listen to yesterday's

00:14:45.360 episode where we remind ourselves and remind the audience what an abortion is, like physically,

00:14:50.800 scientifically, what an abortion entails. So she released this statement on Twitter as she released

00:14:56.160 her song. It's been one year since the Supreme Court's decision to dismantle the constitutional

00:15:00.580 right to a safe abortion. It's not a constitutional right. It's not. It's not a constitutional right

00:15:05.280 to a safe abortion. And although the path forward will be challenging, we must continue to be united

00:15:10.000 in our fight for reproductive justice. Again, as we said yesterday, euphemism after euphemism after

00:15:16.980 euphemism. They don't actually say the words killing a baby or killing a human, which is actually what

00:15:22.800 abortion is. Reproductive justice. What does that even mean? I mean, this is the product. This is the

00:15:28.520 conclusion of reproduction. You had the choice unless you were raped. You had the choice of

00:15:35.840 behaving in a way that would reproduce, engaging in the act that would end in reproduction or not.

00:15:45.280 I created Swine to amplify the voices of those who advocate for choice and bodily autonomy. I want

00:15:52.100 this song to empower not only the birthing people of this country, but everyone who stands up for

00:15:58.980 equality to embrace their agency and fight for a world where every person's right to make decisions

00:16:03.940 about their own body is honored. Okay, you can make decisions. You can make decisions. I want to empower

00:16:11.980 you right now, Demi Lovato, that you do not have to have unprotected sex. That is a choice that you can

00:16:19.060 make. You do not have to do that. And yes, consent to sex is consent to pregnancy. It is. I mean,

00:16:26.760 eating, you're consenting to your body processing that food and then releasing that food into waste.

00:16:35.920 That is the natural process of eating and drinking. You know what's going to happen.

00:16:41.500 If you drink water, you're going to have to pee later. If you're pregnant, you're going to have to

00:16:45.200 pee five times later. That's just how it goes. So if you have sex, whether it's protected or not,

00:16:51.600 you know that one possible result of that is having a child is getting pregnant. And so there

00:16:57.920 are lots of choices that can be made before pregnancy happens. I understand that rape happens.

00:17:03.680 I understand that conception through rape happens. That's absolutely terrible. Still, my stance is that

00:17:08.320 we should give the death penalty to the rapist and not the child. But in the vast majority of cases,

00:17:14.640 when it comes to abortion, 99%, it is not rape. And so there are lots of choices, lots of agency,

00:17:22.140 lots of autonomy that can be exercised before we are talking about killing the life of an innocent

00:17:28.160 child who had no part, by the way, in the choices that were made to lead to conception.

00:17:35.620 Okay, so we're going to play you part of this music video. It's very demonic looking. If you're just

00:17:43.360 listening to this, she's wearing like red and black. She looks very, very angry. Everyone

00:17:47.360 looks very angry in it. I'll talk about it a little bit more. But listen to the words that

00:17:52.600 sweet Demi Lovato sings for us.

00:17:55.480 Okay, so that's our Demi girl. And as I said, she looks very, very dark, very angry. She's saying

00:18:19.960 my life, my choice. But it gets even worse. And I can't even I can't even say everything that she

00:18:27.380 says. The lyrics are very, very crass. And so I'll just let you I'll just I'll let you kind of fill

00:18:35.700 in the blanks. God forbid I want to blank whatever the blank I want to God forbid I want to blank

00:18:42.980 whoever the blank I want. I can't even read this. You know what I can't even read this. She's

00:18:50.260 basically just saying, look, if I have sex and he decides not to wear protection, then I have to be

00:18:56.720 punished by having a baby. The chorus is my life, my choice, my rights, my or my life, my voice,

00:19:02.440 my rights, my choice. It's mine or I'm just swine. My blood, my loins, my lungs, my noise. It's mine

00:19:09.060 or I'm just swine. And then she says, picture your faith. Imagine your God and even your holy Bible

00:19:15.120 is suddenly banned. Do you understand? Now, doesn't that sound entitled? It's your book,

00:19:20.920 but it's my survival. And we got to grow and we got to raise and we got to feed and bathe them. And if

00:19:26.340 you won't, they call you a witch to burn at the stake in Salem. Thought by now they've changed,

00:19:31.440 but we're still waiting. Give these MFers hell. Okay. So, I mean, again, it's just kind of laughable.

00:19:40.320 It is just like a little bit silly how just stupid this is, really. I mean, it's just completely,

00:19:46.680 not just morally bankrupt, but intellectually bankrupt. Like she doesn't know what she's

00:19:51.040 talking about. I guarantee that if I sat here right now and I asked her, like, what was the

00:19:56.240 Dobbs decision? What was Roe v. Wade? Like, what was the overturning of Roe v. Wade? How did it,

00:20:01.600 what were the consequences of it? Tell me about some of these pro-life laws and how many states is

00:20:06.740 abortion legal? The answer is actually all 50. In all 50 states, abortion is legal to a certain extent.

00:20:12.980 In a lot of states, it is legal through all nine months with very few stipulations. And so,

00:20:18.220 like, what exactly is she talking about here? Women being burned at the stake for having abortions or

00:20:25.600 the Bible being banned? Is she saying that's comparable to saying that you can't kill a child

00:20:30.580 just because that child resides inside of the womb? And she's saying that if she can't choose to have

00:20:37.760 an abortion, then she's just swine? She's just a pig? I think it's very interesting that she

00:20:43.000 chooses that terminology, that she chooses that word. We see swine or pigs used a lot in Scripture

00:20:50.760 as an example of being unclean. And I think specifically of the story in Mark 5 when Jesus

00:21:04.040 casts the demons out of the man who was wandering in the cemetery and the demons beg him,

00:21:12.700 can you please just send us into those pigs over there? And so Jesus cast out the demons and sent

00:21:19.360 the demons legion into the pigs, and the pigs just ended up running off the hillside into their

00:21:25.320 death. That's kind of, I don't know, it just seems a little bit comparable here. It seems like that's

00:21:32.880 kind of what's going on. These are demonic ideas. She's calling herself a swine, I guess, of all things,

00:21:40.240 of all things because she can't have an abortion. These are definitely pig-like assertions that

00:21:47.000 she's making. She is basically glorifying selfishness. She's glorifying this kind of

00:21:56.440 crass, promiscuous lifestyle where she should be able to choose what she wants to do, whatever she

00:22:02.780 feels like doing in any moment, no matter the consequences that have to be endured by other

00:22:11.980 people. And so there's something like very spiritual going on, I think, in Demi Lovato's life. I think

00:22:18.640 that there's something very deep that she's fighting, very demonic that she's fighting. Obviously, she

00:22:23.440 struggled with her identity. She struggled, I think, in the relationship with her body. She struggled with

00:22:29.060 who she is, why she's here, why she matters, what the purpose is of all of this, all those big

00:22:36.180 existential questions that all of us are trying to find. And she's trying to find the approval and

00:22:41.760 the fulfillment, the satisfaction that she has been seeking all of her life in progressive activism and

00:22:49.200 trying on these different identities, going by they, them, saying that she's a million different

00:22:54.820 sexualities. She's even, I think, changed her name maybe a couple times. And she's just really

00:23:00.380 struggled. And so I do have some compassion for her. I mean, she is like a sheep without a shepherd.

00:23:05.940 She is like a lost sheep. And she's hanging out with wolves, thinking that they're going to take

00:23:10.800 care of her when really she's going to end up being devoured. And it seems like we've seen that over the

00:23:15.340 past few years of her life. And so while I could be angry about this song, honestly, it's not moving the

00:23:21.260 needle. Like it's not going to change anyone's mind. It's not going to turn anyone from pro-life to

00:23:26.420 being pro-choice. I don't even think it's going to encourage anyone to, you know, abort their child.

00:23:32.920 It's just adding to the noise. And it really kind of makes me sad for her. It makes me really sad for

00:23:39.760 her. I see a lot of desperation and just a lot of despair in Demi Lovato and her voice and the words

00:23:46.240 that she says and how she's tried so hard to be something and to figure out who she is over the

00:23:51.860 past few years. So I just pray that Demi Lovato, that God works on her heart and that she hears the

00:23:58.600 gospel, that she believes that she would abandon the way of life that she has been pursuing, that

00:24:04.840 she would realize that her journey to try to find the love that she has been looking for has reached

00:24:16.720 a dead end. It's reached a dead end. And she's tried and failed to find purpose in all the wrong

00:24:24.360 places. And it can only be found in her creator. I do appreciate, though, how through her lyrics,

00:24:30.380 she does show, like, this is what godlessness looks like. It's your body. It's your choice.

00:24:37.620 It is you who calls the shots. You determine what right and wrong is. You determine what truth is.

00:24:43.660 And everyone else be damned. There's no such thing as sin except for saying that there's sin. There's

00:24:49.220 no such thing as right and wrong except for what you determine to be right and wrong. You are your own

00:24:53.680 determinant of truth. You're your own moral arbiter. That's what godlessness is. You worship

00:24:58.760 yourself. And so, of course, you're going to sacrifice a baby on the altar of your own bodily

00:25:04.960 autonomy. And so there is some effectiveness in her messaging there just showing us, yeah,

00:25:10.500 this is what life without Christ looks like. You worship yourself. Gosh, and the god of self is cruel,

00:25:16.180 right? We see that over and over again. It's so cruel and so demanding and so bloodthirsty, too.

00:25:22.720 And so, just a good depiction of what darkness is. But I have hope for Demi Lovato. I do. I hope that

00:25:30.580 god will redeem her and will save her because he can do anything.

00:25:35.120 Okay, so yesterday was the eight-year anniversary of the Obergefell decision. That was the Supreme

00:25:53.060 Court decision that said it is a constitutional right for two men or two women to get married,

00:26:00.260 redefined what we had always known about marriage across cultures, by the way, that the marital

00:26:07.420 relationship, that the union between a man and a woman is unique, and that men and women are not

00:26:12.860 interchangeable. And so trying to redefine marriage as something that it can never be is going to cause

00:26:18.440 a lot of moral and cultural chaos. That was our argument all the way back in 2008 when people were

00:26:25.980 debating this. Even before that, people had been debating what is the definition of a marriage?

00:26:31.040 What are the rights of two women or two men who want to be in some kind of civil union? Should they

00:26:36.880 have all of the rights of a married man and woman? And believe it or not, Democrats and Republicans

00:26:41.760 agreed on this for a long period of time. But no, there is something unique. There is something sacred,

00:26:48.660 different, elevated about the potential life-giving nature of a husband and a wife that is simply not

00:27:00.800 brought to the table when it's two women or two men. And even in 2008, when Obama was campaigning,

00:27:07.440 he went to California and he was campaigning at Rick Warren's Saddleback Church. And he affirmed that he

00:27:15.940 believed that marriage is between a man and a woman. And several years ago, Joe Biden did as well.

00:27:22.900 But of course, as the cultural winds changed, so did Obama and Biden and the Democrat Party. So

00:27:27.320 in 2010, President Barack Obama affirmed that marriage unites a man and a woman. 2010,

00:27:33.780 along with 45 states and the federal government. Then in 2012, Obama evolved, evolved. And the Supreme

00:27:40.960 Court took cases involving marriage law. On June 26, 2013, the Supreme Court struck down the Defense

00:27:47.100 of Marriage Act in a 5-4 vote, which struck down the federal definition of marriage as a male-female

00:27:52.540 union. Then in 2015, the Supreme Court issued the Obergefell v. Hodges decision, 5-4, which redefined

00:27:58.920 marriage for the nation. Same-sex marriage advocates told the public they sought only the freedom to

00:28:04.080 marry, though it quickly began to clash with religious freedom, which is exactly what Clarence

00:28:12.320 Thomas said that it would do in his dissent, by working to shut down Catholic adoption agencies

00:28:18.800 and harass evangelical bakers and florists. Of course, we've talked about Jack Phillips many times.

00:28:25.940 This story actually goes back to before Obergefell. In Colorado in 2012, he was approached by a gay

00:28:33.120 couple who wanted a cake for their gay wedding. And he said, look, I'll make you a cake, but I'm not

00:28:37.900 going to make a cake for the wedding of two men because I'm a Christian. And that violates my

00:28:42.420 conscience. And of course, progressives have tried to ruin his life since then because that's what

00:28:48.580 they do. They claim that, oh, it's Christian nationalists and Christians who just want power.

00:28:52.680 Voting Republican is just about power. Well, who is harassing innocent bakers because they want to

00:28:59.360 abide by their conscience. They want to abide by their Christian faith and to use the power of the

00:29:04.260 law to try to force Jack Phillips to create artwork, to create a product that contradicts his own values.

00:29:14.900 That's what the state of Colorado tried to do. And it wasn't until the Supreme Court narrowly decided,

00:29:20.680 yeah, you know, how he was treated during this process by the state of Colorado is discriminatory

00:29:25.820 against his religion. Has he been given any freedom whatsoever? But he's continued to be

00:29:32.040 harassed. He's in lawsuit after lawsuit. Now he's got transgender activists trying to get him to make

00:29:37.000 cakes that celebrate the so-called transitioning of an individual, which he refuses to do.

00:29:45.480 And so we've seen this kind of battle, not from Jack Phillips, but also from different florists,

00:29:50.480 different business owners who are bearing the brunt of the false promises of the LGBT movement,

00:29:58.740 which is that we just want freedom to be ourselves. We just want freedom to marry.

00:30:02.760 It doesn't affect you. We just want to be left alone. How does it even impact your life? We just

00:30:09.320 don't want to be bothered. Well, we're seeing how they are mobilized and then empowered by a decision

00:30:16.260 like a Bergefell to make everyone else not just comply, but also celebrate their choices and

00:30:22.620 celebrate their unions. And so there was an article that was written back in 2020 in USA Today. And

00:30:31.500 let's see, it was by Ryan Anderson and Robert George, two conservatives. And the article says this,

00:30:38.680 the law now effectively teaches that mothers and fathers are replaceable, that marriage is simply

00:30:43.080 about consenting adult relationships of whatever formation the parties happen to prefer. This

00:30:48.040 undermines the truth that children deserve a mother and father, one of each. That's something

00:30:53.220 that we say a lot. Children deserve a mother and father. Ideally, they have a right to their mother and

00:31:01.260 father. Now we live in a broken world and sometimes that doesn't happen. Sometimes there needs to be

00:31:06.920 redemption and healing of that brokenness through something like adoption. However, the ideal

00:31:13.220 situation for a child in all the data, all the social science that we have points to this. The

00:31:18.480 ideal situation for a child is to be with their married mother and father. And so for us to intentionally

00:31:24.480 break that down is cruel. It's wrong. It's again, putting the wants, the desires, the sexual desires of

00:31:31.320 two adults over the needs and the well-being of children. As we've said before, I think love is

00:31:38.800 love is just as illogical. It's just as crazy as saying trans women are women. Love is love. It's

00:31:47.280 just circular, just like trans women are women is. If you're not defining what a woman is, then trans

00:31:52.960 women are women doesn't actually mean anything. Woman doesn't actually mean anything. If love is just

00:31:56.960 love and you're not defining love, then it doesn't mean anything. Love can be anything. And if love

00:32:03.900 is love, that circular reasoning without any actual substantive definition is the foundation for

00:32:11.440 reformulating marriage, then marriage can really be anything. I mean, if that's the only standard that

00:32:17.500 you have, if that's your standard of what right and wrong is or how to define things, then marriage can

00:32:23.340 be defined not just as between two men or two women. It can really be redefined as anything. You want it

00:32:29.000 to be as long as you justify it with saying, but this is love. And if love is just how you feel, if love

00:32:34.980 is just lust, if love is just whatever you want, then there really are no parameters around that.

00:32:40.360 That's what we argued all the way back when this was first being debated. And Christians were told

00:32:46.060 that's a slippery slope fallacy. You're wrong. This is not going to lead to the justification of

00:32:51.900 of polyamory or polygamy. This is not going to lead to the justification of, say, a non-adult and an

00:33:01.300 adult relationship. This is not going to lead to anything else. It's not going to lead to thinking

00:33:06.900 that men and women are interchangeable. No, that's crazy. Except it is. It is. It has done all of those

00:33:13.500 things, actually. Because when you say that two men or two women is the exact same as a man and a

00:33:20.200 woman, you are essentially saying that men and women are interchangeable. So if a child you're

00:33:27.500 saying does just as well with two dads or two moms, which is just not true, but if that's what you're

00:33:32.660 saying, you're basically saying there's no difference between a mom and a dad. There's no difference

00:33:36.280 between men and women. And if that's the case, then why can't a man just declare that he's a woman one

00:33:42.460 day and walk into the women's bathroom and compete against female cyclists? Why not? But if men and

00:33:48.700 women are fundamentally different, if they're biologically different, if they bring different

00:33:52.500 things to the table, then they're not interchangeable. A man cannot become a woman. And it's not the same

00:33:58.840 to have a marriage relationship between two men or between two women. It's certainly not the same

00:34:03.080 to have two parents that are two men or two women because we are fundamentally different.

00:34:09.740 So marital norms, this article says, in America had already begun to crumble with the sexual revolution,

00:34:14.200 with the rise of cohabitation, non-marital childbearing, no-fault divorce, and the hookup

00:34:18.840 culture. Legal redefinition is a consequence of the cultural breakdown of marriage, which I think

00:34:23.820 is a brilliant point that is really important. That it's not just the redefinition of marriage to be

00:34:29.600 something other than between a man and a woman. Like the breakdown of the family and the consequences

00:34:35.560 of the sexual revolution far predate Obergefell. And we are actually seeing the consequences

00:34:43.780 of that now. We're seeing the consequences of this kind of slope, which is indeed slippery. That's not a

00:34:52.380 fallacy to say. It's very slippery. Back in 2015, here were some headlines. In Politico, 2015, no polygamy

00:35:01.220 isn't the next gay marriage. 2015, in Time magazine, polygamy is not next. 2015, Washington Post, support for

00:35:08.960 polygamy is rising. But it's not the new gay marriage. Don't worry, you crazy Christian

00:35:13.140 conservatives. And now, here are some headlines. USA Today, I'm wired differently. What it feels like

00:35:20.100 to be polyamorous and how couples make it work. The Washington Examiner, the court that first legalized

00:35:26.000 same-sex marriage, now is legalizing polygamy too. The same New York state court that first recognized

00:35:31.720 same-sex marriage over 30 years ago has now recognized polygamous relationships. What was normal or

00:35:38.560 non-traditional in 1989 is not a barometer for what is normal or non-traditional. Now, one of the judges

00:35:44.720 said, indeed, the definition of family has morphed considerably since 1989. Specifically, many articles

00:35:51.780 have been written about multi-person relationships in recent years, revealing a preference that for some

00:35:57.740 has long been known. IFL Science reports this. Polyamory is on the rise and society should be more

00:36:05.700 accommodating, research argues. I mean, this is all over TikTok. It's all over social media.

00:36:10.360 These polyamorous, polycule situations, relationships, even in which children are being

00:36:17.600 raised, which is absolutely cruel. Just statistically, you are greatly increasing the potential of that child

00:36:24.340 being abused. The most dangerous place for a child to be is in a home with a non-biological

00:36:31.920 male adult. That's not just that's not universal. That's not saying all stepdads. That's not what

00:36:38.160 this is about. Statistically, it is most likely for a child to be abused by a non-blood relative

00:36:47.220 in their home. So a step-parent, an uncle, a cousin. And so certainly this is true in these polyamorous

00:36:55.960 relationships too. Not always, but statistically, it's going to be a lot more dangerous for children

00:37:01.420 because we are prioritizing adults' wants, and in some cases their sexual fetishes and their sexual

00:37:08.960 drives above the welfare of children. And of course, the redefining of marriage that we did a few years

00:37:15.460 ago led to something like this. Of course it did. Of course it did. This is what happens when you mess

00:37:20.960 with nature. This is what happens when you mess with what the God who created all of us says is the

00:37:27.220 actual definition of marriage, which he defines very clearly in the first chapter of the first book of

00:37:34.540 the Bible. Now we can say all of this and greatly sympathize with people who are attracted to the same

00:37:42.380 sex, who, for obvious reasons, want to be able to marry that person and want to be afforded all of the

00:37:49.680 rights that a man and a woman in the holy bonds of matrimony have. We can be sympathetic to that.

00:37:58.880 We can understand that. We can say, yeah, they shouldn't be mistreated. We shouldn't be unkind

00:38:04.540 to them. But we are never going to be able, it's never going to be the same. It's never going to be

00:38:11.800 the same, no matter what the law says. It's not the same for two men or two women to come together

00:38:19.340 in marriage as it is for a man and a woman. There is a lack of potential life-giving there

00:38:24.780 that then requires typically all different forms of reproductive technology, which inherent in them

00:38:31.280 are all kinds of ethical problems that we've talked about many times.

00:38:37.260 And that is one of the reasons why cultures throughout time and around the world have

00:38:45.560 held a sacred, this marital bond between a man and a woman that just can't be replaced.

00:38:51.400 It just can't be replaced by the relationship between two men or two women. And so we see

00:38:57.620 when we break down those definitions what it ends up leading to. And we've got some more

00:39:02.180 consequences that we'll talk through in just a second. Okay, so this video was going around

00:39:19.980 and we are going to censor it. People were sharing this uncensored on social media, which I understand

00:39:26.760 why people share these kind of videos. But I just can't. I will not share an uncensored like

00:39:33.460 nude video, especially when it's involving like children who are being forced by their weird parents

00:39:40.820 to watch. But I do think it's important to talk about this stuff and to show as much as we can so

00:39:45.860 that people who say, oh, that's not happening can see that it's actually happening. So this was

00:39:50.160 reported by the Postmillennial. Seattle held its 49th annual Pride Parade on Sunday, saying

00:39:55.020 the LGBTQIA plus reunion is free, fun, community-wide celebration, advancing awareness of LGBTQIA plus

00:40:02.640 issues and promoting mutual respect and equal human rights for all. While the parade included a large

00:40:07.440 group of naked men and women on bicycles because, okay, it's not about just wanting to get married.

00:40:15.380 It's obviously not about that. Like how many 4th of July parades, 4th of July, it's about the freedom

00:40:22.340 of America. How many 4th of July parades do you see with people nude, riding bikes, flashing

00:40:28.100 themselves in front of bystanders? As some were covered only in body pain, but others were completely

00:40:35.180 naked, fully exposing their genitalia to children at the quote-unquote family-friendly event. So here's

00:40:43.460 some of that. We censored it for y'all. You can thank me later.

00:41:03.020 All right. So we just briefly showed you the shot of these children off to the side sitting there

00:41:11.600 with, I guess, their parents and these men and women just completely naked standing in front of

00:41:19.300 them. Now, I think it's weird and I think it's wrong and bizarre and depraved and perverted for

00:41:24.780 these people to be riding their bikes naked, of course. But I think it is actually worse. I think

00:41:30.760 it is worse for the parents to bring their kids to something like this, knowing that there's going to

00:41:36.840 be this kind of thing on display there. I don't know if the people riding their bikes naked knew

00:41:44.100 that there were going to be kids there, like wanted to show themselves in front of kids. Although you

00:41:48.860 would hope for like some kind of embarrassment, like you're riding around naked for whatever reason,

00:41:54.600 you think only adults are looking at you, then you see a child and you're like, wow, I'm going to

00:41:59.440 book it home. I'm so embarrassed. I don't want to show myself. Well, they don't feel that kind of

00:42:04.020 shame and the fact that parents are traumatizing their kids like this. And there's been a there's

00:42:10.000 been some strange defense. So Brian Krasenstein, he is a Democrat activist, social media influencer.

00:42:19.100 I don't know. But he wanted to defend this. So, again, this is not just something that Democrats,

00:42:25.300 that people on the left are just pushing to the side is, oh, this is you know, this is not happening.

00:42:29.820 They're saying, no, it's OK that it's happening. It's fine, they say. So Libs of TikTok tweeted this.

00:42:36.020 She tweeted it uncensored. So saw genitalia. And Brian Krasenstein said said this. Libs of TikTok

00:42:45.200 tweeted out a video of the naked man on bicycles to make a point that naked men on bicycles

00:42:50.460 shouldn't be parading in front of kids. He says, I agree. But she's posting on Twitter where kids who

00:42:57.320 are, you know, 13 years old can see it. So that's wrong. But then he goes on to say he goes on to

00:43:04.640 say, seeing a man naked on a bike isn't going to have much of an effect on my kid. They have likely

00:43:09.760 seen their father or or brother naked before sharing an uncensored video of a naked man on a

00:43:15.940 bike to an audience of possibly three million, 30 million kids on Twitter. I don't think there's

00:43:20.080 30 million kids on Twitter is arguably worse than riding a bike naked in front of a kid or two

00:43:26.320 in a planned event that the kid's parent took them to. I mean, I disagree. Again,

00:43:30.960 I'm not going to share those uncensored videos for a variety of reasons. But for a parent to purposely

00:43:37.060 take their child to a parade where they know there's a very high likelihood of there being nudity

00:43:44.560 and also kink type things, that is I mean, that's far worse. That is like the worst dereliction of

00:43:51.840 duty that you could even think of. Remember last year? No, this was 2021, I believe. There was a

00:43:59.480 Washington Post op ed by Lauren Ruello, who goes by they them, of course. And this is the title. I

00:44:08.240 only have to say the title of the article. Yes, kink belongs at Pride and I want my kids to see it,

00:44:14.080 she says. That was in the Washington Post, Pride 2021. She says hashtag kink positivity. And she

00:44:22.400 tells the story about how her child was very confused about these men like in leather chaps

00:44:27.200 whipping each other and how she wanted her child who was obviously confused and traumatized by this

00:44:33.280 to be more accepting of it. Like, do you know what this does to kids like awakening sexual curiosity

00:44:40.240 and sexual desire, depraved sexual desire in young children at a young age? It's called grooming.

00:44:46.700 It grooms them to be vulnerable to sexual predation, to sexual molestation, to sexual assault,

00:44:52.400 makes them far more likely to be promiscuous when they are young, conditioning their mind to start

00:44:58.140 thinking about sexual things before their bodies and minds are ready to do so, before they are even

00:45:04.080 able intellectually, mentally to be able to consent to those things, you are making them vulnerable to

00:45:11.480 a pornography addiction. But even more, you are making them vulnerable to abuse. They're already

00:45:16.420 thinking about those things. So when an adult comes along and wants to have those kinds of conversations

00:45:20.700 to them, then groom them into a kind of a sexual relationship, they're already ripe for that kind of

00:45:28.460 thing. That's actually what groomers do. That's what groomers do. You can read

00:45:32.860 the studies on this by psychologists. I think you can go to psychologytoday.com and you can read about

00:45:39.100 what some signs are of a pedophile groomer. And one of the signs is starting to talk to young kids

00:45:45.960 about sexual things to get them thinking about it, to get them talking about it. So they're more

00:45:50.500 open to engaging in that kind of behavior. And so like when the right started this whole groomer,

00:45:57.780 groomer, groomer thing, calling people groomers, it wasn't just out of nowhere. It's because having

00:46:02.600 drag queen story hour, showing kids depictions of sex and of naked bodies and introducing them to

00:46:10.460 things like kink and this kind of sexual nudity of strangers, it is a form of grooming. It is making

00:46:18.420 them ripe for predation and sexual relationships. And so, I mean, this has turned into a lot more

00:46:25.920 than just being about marriage and the freedom to love each other. How does it affect us?

00:46:32.700 Well, I mean, thankfully, we aren't taking our kids. No one in this audience is taking our kids

00:46:39.200 to pride parades. But a lot of our kids are trying to watch TV shows. They're trying to get an education

00:46:47.400 and are constantly bombarded with propaganda about being a they them or being able to change your

00:46:54.480 gender that maybe you're born in the wrong body, even inappropriate sex education that we're seeing

00:47:00.020 pushed by entities like Planned Parenthood as young as kindergarten. So yeah, it's affecting everyone.

00:47:06.180 How is it affecting Jack Phillips? You might ask, how is it affecting the florist? How is it affecting

00:47:10.620 people who simply want to abide by their conscience and running their business and yet are harassed by

00:47:15.540 left-wing LGBTQ activists? Now, is this representative of everyone who identifies as gay or everyone who

00:47:25.120 identifies even as trans? No, I don't think so. I don't think that most people who are attracted to

00:47:31.800 the same sex or who think that they're the opposite gender, while I obviously call it sin, I don't think

00:47:39.000 that they're sexual predators. I don't think that they're interested in showing themselves off to kids.

00:47:42.940 I don't think most of them are even attending parades like that. Most of them probably do just

00:47:47.720 want to live their lives. But even so, Christian conservatives called it, we called it back in

00:47:54.060 2015, we called it a lot, a long time before that, that this is going to open the door to the

00:47:59.880 redefinition of everything, to breaking down all parameters when it comes to sexuality and family

00:48:05.560 and child welfare. And we were right. We were even more right than we wanted to be, than we thought that

00:48:11.640 we would be. Think about how quickly this has gone from 2015 to today. It hasn't even been 10 years.

00:48:18.640 And here we are justifying and celebrating the so-called transition of minors through puberty

00:48:25.140 blockers and double mastectomies. Wow, that happened fast. That happened really fast. And yes, it did start

00:48:34.340 with the breaking down the barriers and the parameters and the definitions of what a marriage

00:48:40.260 is. If you redefine marriage, the most fundamental human institution, you can redefine everything.

00:48:49.660 And again, it goes back to exchanging the God of scripture for the God of self.

00:48:54.560 Love Thy Body by Nancy Piercy ties together all of these different pieces, homosexuality and abortion

00:49:00.120 and gender, promiscuity, how it's all a wrong idea of what the body is and what the body is for and

00:49:09.800 who God is too. We're having her on next week. Two-part conversation. I think it's going to be

00:49:14.700 on the 3rd and on the 5th. We're taking a break on the 4th for the 4th of July. But she's got a new

00:49:20.640 book out about masculinity. Oh, the conversation is so good. But we will also talk about Love Thy Body

00:49:25.980 because it's like my favorite book ever. And so she will break this all down for us in such

00:49:31.340 just a fascinating way and a biblical way too. So look forward to that.

00:49:47.960 All right. How are we doing with our target boycott? I haven't been asking about this. I've

00:49:54.040 been meaning to post on Instagram to see if you guys have kept it up for the month of June.

00:50:00.420 And I, well, I have been boycotting Target since last year when I found out that they were selling

00:50:06.940 the chest binders to kids. And we covered, you can go back and listen to that episode, we covered

00:50:12.040 everything that Target is selling and promoting this year and how disturbing it is. And I encourage

00:50:16.280 you guys, at least for the month of June, just give up Target. You can totally do it. I'm wondering

00:50:20.120 if you guys have stood strong. Target has taken a bit of a hit because of this. It is slightly up from

00:50:28.680 the lowest point it hit during mid-June. And so, of course, that's going to happen. That doesn't mean

00:50:34.460 that your divestment from Target doesn't matter, though, even if they still are able to be buoyed.

00:50:41.780 I mean, they're a major corporation. They're backed by their shareholders. And so, yes,

00:50:51.160 of course, they are probably going to be fine. But I still think it's important for us to, as much as

00:50:56.180 we can, align our dollars with our values. That, for me, I was spending way too much money at Target.

00:51:01.700 I don't boycott everything. I would love to. I don't boycott everything. I was spending too much

00:51:06.600 money at Target. And they were just doing too much that I didn't agree with. I also have given up

00:51:10.920 Starbucks. That was a little bit difficult because I really like to drink from there. And it's really

00:51:16.920 close to my house. And it's really convenient. Also, toughest one. Toughest one has been Anthropologie.

00:51:23.680 Gave up Anthropologie. I mean, this is probably the longest that I've gone without buying anything at

00:51:28.460 all from Anthropologie. But since they decided to put a man in a dress on their Instagram, I was like,

00:51:36.320 maybe it's not a women's clothing store anymore. I don't know. I don't have broad shoulders like

00:51:41.700 that. So I don't even know if I can fit their dresses. So those are the big ones that I've

00:51:46.180 given up. Of course, when it comes to other little shops or something, I'm always checking to see what

00:51:53.260 the values are on Instagram. And I try to choose the shop that best aligned with my values.

00:51:57.600 And I'm always looking for people and businesses to support. But there are still I mean, there are

00:52:04.400 still places I go to that spend money in ways that I don't like. I don't know if it's possible

00:52:09.280 to boycott everything. Maybe. But we should try the best that we possibly can. And Target is a great

00:52:13.580 one because their success rises and falls on people like you, the related gals, the related bells in this

00:52:20.500 audience. So keep it up. Keep it up. All right. That's all we've got for today. We will be

00:52:26.860 back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - June 27, 2023

Ep 829 ｜ Demi Lovato Needs Jesus

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