Ep 841 ｜ Great Reset Update： The Next Phase Is Here ｜ Guest： Justin Haskins (Part One)
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The world s billionaires are using artificial intelligence and the power of corporations to control your life, to change your values and transform society. This is all part of something called the Great Reset, which sounds like a conspiracy, but unfortunately and terrifyingly, it is extremely real. And there really is no better person to talk about this than one of my favorite guests, Justin Haskins, who has just written a new book with Glenn Beck called Dark Future Uncovering the Great Resume's Terrifying Next Phase.
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The world's billionaires are using artificial intelligence and the power of corporations
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to control your life, to change your values and transform society.
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This is all part of something called the Great Reset, which sounds like a conspiracy, but
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unfortunately and terrifyingly, it is extremely real.
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And there really is no better person to talk about this than one of my favorite guests.
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He's just written a new book with Glenn Beck called Dark Future Uncovering the Great Recess
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We've talked about it several times, but there is optimism and positivity that is woven throughout
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So today we're going to talk about where we are as far as the Great Reset goes, the phase
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that we're in right now, what it looks like, what efforts are being made to push back against
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We're going to rehash some of the things we've talked about in the past, but also layer that
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with new information that Justin has through his incredible research.
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And then tomorrow we'll talk specifically about artificial intelligence and how that's
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manifesting itself and what this is going to look like and what their plans actually are.
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And again, how we can push back against it because we do have the power to do so.
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Justin Haskins, thanks so much for taking the time to join us again.
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We're going to get into some of the craziness as we always do.
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This is now multiple books that you've written or helped write about the Great Reset.
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This one is Dark Future Uncovering the Great Reset's Terrifying Next Phase.
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Um, Justin, I will just say that the title of this book does not make me feel hopeful.
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I've been talking to you for a few years now about the Great Reset and about how terrifying
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And you're telling me that there is a next phase that is terrifying.
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I mean, I wish I had better news, but unfortunately, not great news.
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Um, I think it's really important that people understand this information.
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There there really is no book like this on the market today.
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I'm not sure anyone has exactly done a book like this.
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Glenn and I really wanted to do something unique.
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Uh, while we were doing research for the last book about the Great Reset, laying out the
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foundation for social credit scores in the United States, woke corporations, explaining
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why society, uh, seems to be falling apart, why it's bursting at the seams, why nothing makes
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One of the things that we came across was this movement amongst Davos elites and, and that
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includes the World Economic Forum and, and all those people, but also Joe Biden and John
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Kerry and all of the people who are in our own government as well.
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One of the things we came across is that they are planning for a future.
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They're not just looking at how to transform America today.
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They're, they're looking at how to transform America over the next 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
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And the primary way they plan to do it is to transform the world through emerging technologies
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like artificial intelligence, like central bank, digital currencies, uh, like quantum computing
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and algorithms that are, that are directing public policy decisions and even sentencing decisions
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and criminal court cases, um, all kinds of really crazy stuff that's going on with technology.
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Uh, the, the elites and big corporations and big tech companies, they want to use this technology
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And the way that they're planning on doing that is by embedding all of these technologies
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with, uh, ESG, with social credit scores, with woke ideology, so that in the future,
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artificial intelligence and a whole bunch of other technologies have these left-wing values
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embedded in them, designed in them right from the very start.
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And so as these things become more influential in our lives, as they become more influential
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in government, the world is going to shift toward left-wing values.
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And most people will wake up and they won't even realize why it happened or how it happened
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Everything around them will just be completely different.
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Uh, and so this book documents that it shows what these plans are.
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It talks about mass surveillance and mass data collection and how exactly in the future you
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Uh, we even get into the war in Ukraine a little bit and some of the stuff that's going
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So as I said, I mean, I, I really truly believe, I mean, Glenn and I spent over a year on this.
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I really don't think there's any book that has ever been done.
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That's quite like this more than 1200 or about 1200 citations in the book.
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So I, I really hope people take the time to check it out.
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Even if they don't buy it, borrow a copy from somebody else, go to the library and get a
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If you really don't want to buy it, I mean, you should buy it, but if you're not going
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to buy it, at least do that because the information is too important to, to pass up.
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I have about, I have about 11,000 questions to ask about everything that you just said.
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So let's back up a little bit, because even though you've been on the show several times,
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there are always new people joining in people that believe it or not, don't know what you're
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talking about when you talk about the great reset or talk about the world economic forum.
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So we are, when we say the great reset, we are talking about a plan, mostly led by people
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at the world economic forum, Davos, these major billionaire elites and major corporations,
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and then powerful people in, uh, different governments around the world that are basically
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So no more, um, nationalism, like particular national interest, no more private property.
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Um, basically we're all supposed to have this one large global cohesive society ruled by,
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I mean, I hate to say one world government because it sounds people think conspiracy when
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I say that, or maybe they think apocalypse when I say that, but really that's kind of what
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Um, you don't have any kind of like a personal community or family centered or country centered
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We are all working towards this goal, I guess, of stopping climate change of sharing everything
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of getting rid of racism and inequality and all of this stuff.
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And so there are a variety of ways that they have tried to start this great reset.
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And typically they use kind of climate change is the moral premise that in order to save
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the world, we have to drastically change how people travel, how people live, how people
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spend money, how people form relationships, how people understand information, how people
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They've been working really hard through the levers of power that they have through corporations,
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through governments in order to basically change how the world works to gain more central power.
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I mean, I don't even know if I'm explaining it exactly correctly, because there's so much
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There's so many different things to touch on within that.
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But that's like big picture, 10,000 foot perspective of kind of what's going on.
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Can you help us get a little bit more specific?
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I think that in a more specific way, how exactly are they planning to make these transformations?
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Most of the effort that's being made is through the financial system and then by extension through
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So the idea is we can transform society by controlling what corporation, how corporations
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behave, because really, when you think about it, corporations are more than half the U.S.
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Uh, much of our culture, much of what we do and see on television and on the Internet is
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And in the past, corporations traditionally, like all businesses in a market based economy,
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are they're basing their their decisions on what products and services they offer people
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largely on supply and demand and what they think consumers want.
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And sometimes there's a little bit of guesswork in that.
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We want to make more money by providing people with goods and services they want.
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Well, the whole point of the Great Reset was to get all of the most influential institutions,
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banks, central banks, big corporations, Wall Street firms like BlackRock and Vanguard and
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State Street, Global Advisors and things like that all on the same page so that instead of
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looking at consumer demand as a way of determining what products and services should look like,
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we're going to transform the world by forcing people, in effect, to accept whatever products
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and services we think people should have in order to not only battle climate change, but
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So if you want to know why Target is is going all in on, you know, LGBTQ stuff, is it because
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Target cares about LGBTQ suddenly and they didn't care about it before?
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Or is it because consumers actually want this stuff and that they're clamoring to get more
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The reason why they're doing it is because they are being pressured to do it through the
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financial system, through these Great Reset type policies.
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And it goes well, it goes back way before anything called the Great Reset existed.
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It's been around in a lot of different iterations for a while.
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But the idea is to use money through the financial system and the massive amounts of money printing
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Use BlackRock and things like that to transform society regardless of what people want.
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So when Bud Light makes a decision that makes absolutely no sense by hiring a transgender
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spokesperson to sell beer to a bunch of people who really are not that they don't find that
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The reason why they did that is not because they thought their customers wanted it.
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They were doing it because that's where the that's where the Wall Street money, that's
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where the banking money, that's what that's where all of that is going.
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And they're chasing those dollars, not the dollars that regular consumers have.
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And so that, I think, is how the Great Reset works.
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And so ESG, social credit scores and things like that is the sort of control dial for how
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It's how they know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are in the economy.
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I think that's but that's the idea behind the Great Reset is to transform everything so
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that Europe and America and eventually the whole world all look the same, both culturally
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in terms of their social contracts and their governing structures and everything.
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And it's all being done through the private sector rather than just through government
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So basically, these ESG scores, the environmental, the social and the governance, these companies
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are trying to get a high score on all of these things.
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Environmental, obviously, they're doing things ostensibly to push back against climate change
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Social would be pro-LGBTQ, pro-so-called racial equity, pro-BLM.
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They happen to all be progressive values, which I do want to talk about in a second, which
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And then the governance piece, who they're supporting, what kind of policies they're supporting,
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And so they want a high score on all of those things so that they make sure that they are
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having the approval, not of their consumers, but of their shareholders.
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You mentioned these major, huge global companies, these behemoth companies like BlackRock and
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And then, like you mentioned, the Wall Street dollars.
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They're looking to their approval, not the approval of the consumer, because that's really how they're
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making their money and how they're grounding their power, those ESG scores.
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Now, this might be a very stupid question, but I was thinking as you were explaining all
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of this, which we've talked about several times, but where exactly did this start?
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Is there someone in a room that's saying, OK, you have a good ESG score, and so let's post
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that somewhere so that BlackRock can see what your ESG score is?
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Were they sitting in a room in 2001 and they decided that this was going to happen?
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So there are a whole bunch of ESG scoring metrics that exist.
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The World Economic Forum, the Davos people, they created an ESG scoring system that they
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hope is going to become sort of the standard bearer throughout the Western world because
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That's actually one of the main complaints from these corporations participating in it is
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But for the most part, there's a handful of really influential ones, and they all are tied
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For example, Moody's Investor Service, which a lot of people have probably heard of, a big
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Wall Street firm, they do a lot of bond ratings and things like that.
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And that ESG scoring system impacts bond ratings.
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Bonds are sort of like a way for corporations to raise capital.
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Governments do this as well, to raise capital for various projects or things like that.
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And in return for that money, they'll promise to pay back that money plus interest.
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Your bond rating is your likelihood that you're going to pay this back.
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But now it's your likelihood that you'll pay it back, plus how well you score on ESG and
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Okay, so both of those things are now tied into it.
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So you have ESG scores from Moody's and from Fitch Ratings, which is another big company that
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You have companies that are dedicated just entirely to this.
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And every big corporation has basically an ESG department whose sole job is to produce ESG
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annual reports touting how well they're scoring on these various ESG metric systems so that
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they can be in the good graces of these Wall Street investment firms and others.
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And it's not just Wall Street investment firms.
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It's also banks and financial institutions who are saying, we're not going to do business
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with people or even whole industries if they score really poorly on their ESG metrics.
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So it's Wall Street, it's central banks, and then it's Wall Street, it's private banks.
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There's some central bank activity in this area now.
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And then there's even talk in mostly in Europe right now to make this a government mandated
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system so that you're going to have a government mandated ESG scoring system.
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And if you don't comply with that system, then you're going to be either you'll be penalized
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in some way or not allowed to operate within the European Union.
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And that's going to tie up all kinds of American companies that do business in Europe or do
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business with businesses who are located in Europe.
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And there's a whole bunch of different players involved in it.
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But I think that the most important thing for people to keep in mind is that almost every
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large corporation, one survey I saw recently, I think it was a 96% or so of US major corporations
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have ESG reports that they produce every single year, okay?
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They have ESG departments, whole staff just trying to prove how woke they are.
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And that is the thing that is pushing all of these changes that we see in our society.
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It's all happening through this ESG system and all of these forces that are being coercive
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or even imposing these values on corporations so that they have no reason to resist it.
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They want to go along with it because they'll make more money and they'll keep their investors
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happy and they'll keep the banks happy and they'll keep the government happy.
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And that's all they really care about, unfortunately.
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Yeah, you know, some companies, it seems like, care more than others.
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Like some companies we know have a great, quote unquote, ESG score.
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And then other major companies, like surprisingly, like Fidelity Investment, they don't have a
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And I've seen some of the policies that they've enacted over the years, maybe because they have
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a lot of, like, they have a lot of locations in the southern part of America.
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Like, why don't companies who you would think would really care about their ESG scores or
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you would think would be super progressive, like, why do they, I don't know, hinder themselves
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Like, some companies aren't going all in on ESG stuff.
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Even Bud Light, you could see that they kind of did a little bit of an about face after
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And they started, you know, producing commercials that would appeal to the frat parties in, you
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And they put the marketing lady on leave who had chosen Dylan Mulvaney.
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So it does seem like some of these major corporations, while they say they care about their ESG scores,
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they're not going all in, and they still care at least somewhat about their conservative
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Yeah, I mean, I think that a lot of it depends on the people who are running the ESG.
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The Black Rocks of the world who own massive amounts of shares, where do they, how, because
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it really all comes down to how much you want to enforce it, right?
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But if Black Rock doesn't want to punish you for having a bad ESG score, for example, or
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State Street Global Advisors or Bank of America, if they don't want to punish you, then they
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So it kind of comes down to how important it is for them to hold these companies' feet
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And in some cases, they really want to do that, and they're trying really hard to get
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And in other cases, they use it as just sort of a light pressure to get companies to change.
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So why is it that Bud Light is not being forced to go all in and is only kind of halfway in?
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Well, because beer really isn't that important to transforming society.
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Some of the companies that have sort of mediocre or bad ESG scores are the companies that are
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And the reason they have bad ESG scores is to try to force them to transform even more
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One of the best examples of this is that prior to all the really crazy social media bias shutdowns
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and all of that stuff, when they were still somewhat trying to be a little bit fair, you
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still had Donald Trump, for example, on these social media platforms.
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There was an ESG report that was produced about Facebook.
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And in the ESG report, Facebook got a very, very mediocre rating.
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And then when you actually read through why they got the mediocre rating, which you had
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to go read like a report cited by another report and all of this other stuff, it wasn't
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What you discovered was the reason they got a bad ESG score was because they didn't do
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And even though they had been censoring conservatives for a while, they weren't doing enough of it.
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And one of the main things that people that these people who are giving them a low score
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pointed to was that Donald Trump was still on the platform.
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Why is Donald Trump, even as he was president of the United States, they were complaining
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that the president of the United States was allowed to be on Facebook's platform.
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So not long after that, it was probably within a year of that happening.
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Donald Trump was no longer on Facebook's platform.
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That's the kind of thing that you that that's the kind of transformation that you want to see
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if you're trying to make you're trying to rework society.
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So you don't want to give companies good ESG scores that are the important ones unless
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Otherwise, they have no reason to change society even more than they already are.
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So I think that's the main reason why you're seeing some companies are really being pushed
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And then other companies are just kind of dancing around it.
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Um, it's because BlackRock doesn't care about every company, uh, Bank of America doesn't
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They only care about the really important ones.
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It does seem though, like even target, when there was that huge backlash against the disgusting
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products that were being marketed towards children back in May and June, they, I mean, they issued
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a statement, they moved some of the stuff to the back of the store.
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Maybe, I mean, they said it was for safety or whatever, but there does still seem to be a
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little bit of trepidation when it comes to upsetting part of the customer base.
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And I guess it's just something that they're still trying to balance as this transformation
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And so maybe one day they won't care about the consumer at all.
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They'll just be able to say, okay, you can't shop here and we don't care, um, whether, you
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But does it, I mean, in the interim, like while we are still in the midst of this transformation,
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does it have any effect for people to say, okay, I'm not going to use these companies
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that are actively working against me in the name of ESG?
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I mean, the, the, the, the whole goal here is still to make money for these corporations.
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It's just, they're, what they're trying to do is balance making money from wall street
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and banks and central banks and government with making money from consumers.
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And there's a balancing act here because what the, what wall street wants is they want to
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make money too, but they also want these corporations to transform society, right?
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Not everybody on wall street, but the, the really big firms that we're talking about
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They also want to make money, but they also want to see the end of all fossil fuels.
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That's an open goal from the largest banks in the United States.
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So there's a balancing act that's happening here.
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And what I think is going on is you, you have these corporations being pushed in the direction
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of these various, um, uh, goals, these various ideologies, and they're testing the
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And sometimes they go over boundaries and they didn't realize that they were going to
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And then they have to retreat back a little bit.
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But what they're being told behind the scenes is, look, you're doing the right things.
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Um, the education system and, uh, in the media and Hollywood and music industry and all
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You're not going to have this pushback forever.
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Don't, you don't need to totally run away from this whole thing.
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And so I think that's really what's, what's going on here.
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Some, they still want to make money from consumers.
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There's no doubt about that, but consumers are not the most important thing.
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Otherwise they would never have even tried these things in the first place.
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So what, when people resist against this, when they boycott these companies, when they,
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when they come out, you know, saying, look, we're not going to be a part of this.
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But at the end of the day, if we don't fix the other parts of the problem, then eventually
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the culture will change to the point where people who are doing this are in such a minority
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position that what they want doesn't really matter anymore.
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And that that's going to happen unless we fix the education system, unless we stop all
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of this manipulation from wall street and Hollywood and the music industry and all of
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Um, because basically they're playing a long game here.
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And we have to start thinking that way as well.
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Is it because these ideas, these progressive ideas basically make the family and the individual
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and societies and communities and nations weaker?
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I highly doubt that George Soros like really has some just, I don't know, deep sense of compassion
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Like it, I mean, I think part of it is also with that, the pharmaceutical companies, how much
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But to me, it's because progressivism almost always means weakness.
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It tears down the things that make us strong, that make us cohesive, that give us a good
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Um, so is that why, like, is that why it's the progressive values that they're being pushed
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I mean, there's, there's a, there's actually like quite a few theories about the motivating
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factors of say BlackRock and, um, you know, state street and wall street firms and banks
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Um, there, there's a, a really good argument that can be made that they're, the reason
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It has nothing to do with anything other than money.
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But the reason why they're, they think that they can make money off of it is because they
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know that government institutions and central banks and others have been so infiltrated with
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people who think like George Soros, that the idea is they, they, they have to do this if
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they want to still chase these big government subsidies and massive bailouts and money printing
00:27:53.820
And so I think what you have is you have very different goals that the, they, they all have,
00:27:59.620
um, I think a lot of the corporations are just chasing money.
00:28:02.380
A lot of the banks even might just be chasing money.
00:28:05.000
They're trying to keep the government happy and all of that.
00:28:08.000
I think the people in government, the people in academia, the people who are pushing this
00:28:12.240
from that other perspective have more of an ideological bent that's similar to what you
00:28:20.540
You can easily prove though, that this is not really about compassion or kindness or diversity
00:28:30.620
The way you do it is, is this, um, and no one, I've never heard anybody from Davos be able
00:28:36.100
to disprove this in any way, uh, if these companies and if these banks and if the world
00:28:41.920
economic forum, and if all these people really did just care about all these goals, then the
00:28:45.940
last thing that they would do is be completely 100% in bed with countries like China who are
00:28:53.940
notorious human rights violators on, on based on basically any metric that you can come up
00:29:00.160
And yet, despite that, they're all completely in bed with them.
00:29:04.140
I mean, BlackRock has sweetheart deals with China.
00:29:06.880
Klaus Schwab is going to China, praising how wonderful they are.
00:29:10.540
Uh, we have so much, we have so much evidence that shows the tight, uh, connection between
00:29:17.120
corporate America and corporate Europe and the banking system and all of that and China
00:29:22.320
where they are notorious human rights violators.
00:29:25.100
You can't say you care about all these different things, including climate change, including
00:29:29.580
the environment, because China doesn't care about those things either.
00:29:33.460
You can't say you care about those things and then turn around and do massive amounts
00:29:37.140
of business, hundreds of billions of dollars of business with China.
00:29:43.580
So this is definitely not about helping people or being compassionate or anything else.
00:29:57.160
Depending on the player you're talking about, they have different goals, but they all have
00:30:02.440
And that thing is they have a reason to want to transform the United States.
00:30:08.520
And yet right now there is kind of this parallel economy among conservatives happening.
00:30:14.460
And I mean, I have a lot of these sponsors on my show.
00:30:19.160
They're not major corporations, but they're growing successful because people are realizing
00:30:23.820
the things that we're talking about, or even on a more like a obvious scale, these companies
00:30:29.340
are supporting values that we don't agree with.
00:30:36.080
And so how long do you think that this is going to be allowed to go on?
00:30:39.740
That we're allowed to have this America loving, you know, pro-life meat company, diaper company,
00:30:48.200
makeup company, that again, they're not major corporations maybe transforming society, but
00:30:53.320
more and more people are starting to vote with their dollar.
00:30:56.780
I can't imagine the people who are trying to transform society through corporations are
00:31:04.020
But do you have some hope that you, I mean, I see that shift happening definitely since
00:31:08.940
COVID, this parallel economy that's going on and I'm excited about it, but I don't want
00:31:15.100
Yeah, the, the, the whole, um, so first the not so good news, the not so good news is the
00:31:22.460
reason why the left has chosen this strategy for the great reset working through the financial
00:31:28.220
institutions and government, but mainly through financial institutions and wall street is
00:31:33.940
because even in a, even if you have these, these new companies that emerge, if you can
00:31:39.800
get all of the banks and all of the financial institutions together, insurance companies
00:31:45.920
are part of that too, by the way, and they all say, we're not going to do business with
00:31:50.680
So payment processors aren't going to do business with you.
00:31:56.140
Uh, big tech companies are not going to do business with you.
00:32:00.700
You can't, you just can't function without a bank account in this, in this society.
00:32:05.080
You just can't, and you could start your own bank, but all the banks for the most part,
00:32:09.700
most of the banks are basically beholden in one fashion to, or another to larger banks
00:32:17.360
And the federal reserve is ultimately made up of a bunch of private banks as well.
00:32:21.560
And so they've come up with a really ingenious way to, to force kind of everybody to go along
00:32:28.600
Once they realized that they could print lots and lots and lots of money, give it to the
00:32:35.420
And then basically the financial institutions could tie all kinds of strings to it through
00:32:41.120
They realized that there really is almost no way to stop it from without some sort of regulatory
00:32:49.440
And, uh, I think they were banking on nobody ever figuring out that this was happening
00:32:54.060
And that kind of upended everything when they launched a great reset campaign in 2020.
00:32:58.600
And everybody was like, Whoa, you're talking about some crazy stuff here.
00:33:02.720
And once people started looking underneath the hood, they realized all of this stuff is
00:33:07.820
Now, the hopeful part of all of this is it can be stopped through regulatory changes that
00:33:13.380
basically say, look, financial institutions, if you are a bank, if you are a, um, if you're
00:33:20.600
a bank, if you're a central bank, if you are an insurance company, you have to offer products
00:33:26.340
and services to people based on financial considerations.
00:33:32.900
You can't say, we're not going to offer you a bank account because you said something nice
00:33:43.000
And so that's that kind of thing, uh, which is starting to be talked about by state lawmakers.
00:33:49.960
It has been formally proposed in a bunch of States in Florida.
00:33:53.420
They actually passed a law that's that stops banks from discriminating in that way.
00:33:59.560
And, and, and, and so it's the first one that's ever been done like that.
00:34:05.380
Unfortunately, Republicans don't have control of Congress, so they can't get it passed yet,
00:34:09.000
but they have bills in Congress that would do that.
00:34:11.680
So if Republicans do end up taking control of Congress and the white house, at some point,
00:34:16.000
they probably will try to pass a bill that will stop banks and financial institutions
00:34:21.020
and insurance companies from doing this kind of discrimination.
00:34:24.460
And then you really can have a parallel economy because the bank and the insurance company
00:34:29.320
can't go to you and say, well, you don't have solar panels on your house.
00:34:32.000
So we're not going to give you a mortgage or we're not going to give you insurance or whatever.
00:34:41.920
These are the kinds of things that they're starting to do.
00:34:47.140
And we need both the parallel economy and those regulatory changes.
00:34:51.000
And unfortunately we don't have either one fully fleshed out yet, but there is reason to
00:34:56.360
believe that we are at least talking about it and moving in the right direction, which is a
00:35:00.840
really great thing because just a couple of years ago, nobody was really talking about this
00:35:07.660
And obviously you and Glenn have played a big part in that.
00:35:10.660
Is it, does it break down among the politicians who get it, who really understand what's going
00:35:16.480
And I would guess that they're few and far between, even like on the Republican side.
00:35:21.540
Does it split though, typically along Republican Democrat lines?
00:35:25.240
Like, is there any bipartisan agreement that, Ooh, this is probably not great.
00:35:31.860
I don't really like the idea of the world's billionaires being able to dictate American
00:35:37.620
society and, you know, personal choices that Americans make based on their kind of arbitrary
00:35:44.580
Or is it, I mean, is it just really a conservative position to push back against this stuff?
00:35:50.220
From, from what we've seen and I've worked in, I've worked with state lawmakers and states
00:35:54.900
all across the United States on this issue in Florida and in Kansas and in New Hampshire
00:36:02.900
Uh, some of these places are very deep, deep, deep red places where Republicans have run everything
00:36:08.860
Like Idaho, for example, is one of those things.
00:36:11.000
And what we found is that the, the, the people who are most likely to stop this are actually
00:36:26.000
The, the, the people who are usually in positions of leadership.
00:36:32.840
Cause when I think establishment, I think like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell.
00:36:39.180
They, they, they, those kinds of people, but at the state level, they're the, they're the
00:36:43.320
ones most likely to derail this now, Democrats for the most part say they're opposed to it.
00:36:49.760
Uh, they, they, they don't, I mean, well, they say that they're opposed to rules that
00:36:53.760
would regulate these things and they have bizarrely in many places taken the position.
00:36:58.880
It's like you're in the twilight zone where they start talking about the necessity of this
00:37:03.120
is the free market and we have to promote free market economics.
00:37:06.580
And all of a sudden they're lecturing people like me about the virtue of free market economics.
00:37:11.120
Whenever we're talking about stopping a bank from denying, uh, a person access to banking
00:37:20.020
Now I'm being told that's free market economics.
00:37:22.080
It's absurd, but, um, Democrats, you know, there are, there is a wing of the democratic party.
00:37:27.660
Ironically, it's really the socialist wing of the democratic party that really does not
00:37:32.320
like this sort of thing. Um, they don't want big corporations and big banks and financial
00:37:37.820
institutions controlling society. They think government should control society, which I don't
00:37:43.100
agree with. And you don't agree with that's what they want, but they definitely don't want the Davos
00:37:47.580
crowd doing it. And that's why you don't ever see people like AOC or Bernie Sanders or people like
00:37:52.960
that in Davos at the world economic forum, giving speeches about ESG. You don't ever see that because
00:37:59.000
really this is about elites versus everyone else. Not, it's not really a socialist movement per se.
00:38:06.220
It's more of an elitist movement. It's more about centralizing the power, power and wealth. Um, and so
00:38:12.360
in places where we've had Republican leadership say, Hey, we have to put a stop to this. We've seen the
00:38:20.380
most amount of progress. And that's why in Florida, they were able to pass sweeping, uh, anti ESG
00:38:27.780
legislation relatively quickly without a whole lot of pain or resistance. And it was because it
00:38:33.140
started at the top, right from the very beginning, Ron DeSantis came out and said, we're not going to
00:38:37.040
allow this. The head of the Senate came out and said, we're not going to allow this. And the head
00:38:41.120
of the house came out and said, we're not going to allow it. They all came out together at the same
00:38:44.420
time. And everybody fell into line in other places. You have the leadership of the Republican
00:38:49.520
leadership of these legislatures. Like this happened in, in Idaho where the, the, the Republican
00:38:54.800
leaders came out and said, sorry, but you know, we can't regulate banks or sorry, but, uh, we can't
00:39:01.100
regulate insurance companies, or we're not going to go along with this for X, Y, Z other reason, or
00:39:05.060
they kill it and they put it off to another time or they changed the bill at the last minute. Um, so I
00:39:11.080
think that that's the biggest obstacle that we face. Uh, I think it really does come from them.
00:39:15.800
Republicans actually control most States in the United States and they have for a while. The problem is we
00:39:22.180
can't get the establishment Republicans. We can't get the Mitch McConnell types to do the right thing
00:39:28.840
on this. Probably, unfortunately, because they've been corrupted by big business and special interests
00:39:34.640
and bank lobbyists. Uh, and we know that from, in some cases for a fact that that's what's going on. Um,
00:39:41.640
but hopefully enough public pressure can force these people to do the right thing.
00:39:45.800
Okay. So you said that it's establishment Republicans that are most like, like including
00:39:52.040
like a McConnell or Lindsey Graham to push back against this, but it's hard to get them to actually
00:39:57.180
do the right thing. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, no, no. I'm, I'm saying they're the ones
00:40:02.080
that are, they're the ones that are most likely to try to kill any attempt to stop. Oh, okay.
00:40:07.840
I misunderstood. I misunderstood. So, okay. I was thinking, I thought that you were saying the
00:40:13.960
opposite. Actually, I thought that you were saying that they are the most likely to, uh,
00:40:19.440
be anti ESG. That makes a lot more sense now. So the establishment or Republicans are the ones who
00:40:25.960
are the most likely to oppose, to be anti, anti ESG stuff for everything that you just explained.
00:40:32.320
They don't want to regulate banks. They don't want to stop them from doing the ESG stuff. They don't
00:40:36.680
want to regulate the insurance companies and stop them from using ESG as a way to control people.
00:40:42.400
The establishment are the ones that are standing in the way of the reforms that we need to fix this
00:40:47.620
problem. So when you're looking at the presidential candidates on the Republican side, I mean, I think
00:40:53.740
we know where Joe Biden or anyone who almost anyone who runs Democrat, I don't know about RFK
00:40:59.140
junior, but, um, I think we know where the Democrat ticket would stand. But when you're looking at the
00:41:03.500
primary field on the Republican side, what candidates do you think get it the most and would be most
00:41:09.520
likely to say, nope, we're going to do everything within our power to stop this stuff?
00:41:15.200
Yeah, that's a, that's a great question. I've actually, uh, reached out to a lot of the
00:41:19.160
presidential candidate campaigns to get an answer to that question. Um, I think that, uh, the, the
00:41:25.020
ones that immediately come to mind, the ones that I'm 100% certain about are, uh, Ron DeSantis,
00:41:30.500
based on what he's done in Florida would probably be the toughest or as tough as anybody else. I doubt
00:41:38.660
anyone would be tougher than him on ESG. The, the, the, the, if he took what he did in Florida and he
00:41:44.440
did it at the federal level, it would, it would go a long way towards solving this problem, uh, for as
00:41:49.620
long as that law is in place. Um, Vivek Ramaswamy has been a huge opponent of ESG. There's a lot of good
00:41:56.620
things that he said about ESG when it comes specifically to the financial institution part
00:42:01.320
of it, which I think is the biggest part of the problem. He sometimes comes across as maybe a
00:42:06.840
little bit weaker on that than like a Ron DeSantis would be. But for the most part, I think he would
00:42:11.020
probably do the right thing as well. When Donald Trump was in office as president, one of the last
00:42:16.740
things that his administration did was try to stop this problem by passing a regulation through,
00:42:22.960
uh, an agency called the OCC. That's the office of the comptroller of the currency. They regulate a lot
00:42:29.060
of, uh, banks and they, they passed a rule basically saying large banks can't discriminate on non-financial
00:42:35.260
factors. And it, and it went into, it actually had been approved. It went through the, this really
00:42:40.660
complicated regulatory process. And then before it could actually be enforced on anybody, Joe Biden
00:42:46.400
came into office and then immediately killed it. That was literally the first week in office. He killed
00:42:52.080
that regulation, but that gives hope that, that Donald Trump, or at least people in his
00:42:57.340
administration would be, uh, doing the right thing on this as well. Um, I reached out to Nikki Haley's
00:43:04.120
campaign, um, and asked about this. And basically I was told, you know, Nikki Haley thinks ESG is
00:43:10.420
terrible, but, um, they didn't give me any specifics at all about how she would address it. Uh, Tim Scott
00:43:16.600
and people and some of the other candidates that kind of are on that level really haven't done or
00:43:21.980
said a whole lot about this. So I would say that the, the candidates who are the strongest on this
00:43:27.180
that we know about so far are Vivek Ramaswamy, Ron DeSantis, and, uh, and Donald Trump. Those are
00:43:34.320
probably the, the, the three biggest ones that you could count on for doing something really positive
00:43:39.620
about this. What did I tell you guys? A fascinating conversation, right? Every time I talk to him,
00:43:49.420
my mind is just blown and that we haven't even gotten to in this conversation, like what I intended
00:43:57.200
to talk to him about, which is more artificial intelligence. Also the plan that the UN is cooking
00:44:04.380
up and for basically world domination. Um, some of the things that the WEF talked about this summer,
00:44:13.680
I mean, it is wild and it's so important for us to know. It's so important for us to see the big
00:44:20.400
picture. What is behind all of these social, cultural, moral, legal changes that are going on?
00:44:27.420
There is a huge agenda at play here in artificial intelligence plays a really big and important part of
00:44:32.880
that. So he's going to break all of that down for us tomorrow. Sorry for having to split this up,
00:44:38.360
but we, we just had to, but you do not want to miss tomorrow's conversation because again,
00:44:44.200
just fascinating and mind blowing with some more optimism and hope. I promise you that.
00:44:48.900
All right. Thanks so much for listening. Uh, meet us back here tomorrow.