Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 19, 2023


Ep 841 ｜ Great Reset Update： The Next Phase Is Here ｜ Guest： Justin Haskins (Part One)


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00:00:00.000 The world's billionaires are using artificial intelligence and the power of corporations
00:00:06.840 to control your life, to change your values and transform society.
00:00:13.600 This is all part of something called the Great Reset, which sounds like a conspiracy, but
00:00:20.300 unfortunately and terrifyingly, it is extremely real.
00:00:25.900 And there really is no better person to talk about this than one of my favorite guests.
00:00:32.160 And that is Justin Haskins.
00:00:33.480 He's just written a new book with Glenn Beck called Dark Future Uncovering the Great Recess
00:00:40.880 Terrifying Next Phase.
00:00:44.200 So this can be an overwhelming conversation.
00:00:46.700 We've talked about it several times, but there is optimism and positivity that is woven throughout
00:00:53.440 this conversation.
00:00:54.280 It's going to be a two part conversation.
00:00:56.340 Because with Justin, I could talk three hours.
00:01:00.140 Oh my goodness.
00:01:01.580 This discussion is absolutely mind blowing.
00:01:04.780 So important for us to understand.
00:01:07.480 So today we're going to talk about where we are as far as the Great Reset goes, the phase
00:01:12.760 that we're in right now, what it looks like, what efforts are being made to push back against
00:01:17.660 it.
00:01:17.920 We're going to rehash some of the things we've talked about in the past, but also layer that
00:01:22.160 with new information that Justin has through his incredible research.
00:01:26.500 And then tomorrow we'll talk specifically about artificial intelligence and how that's
00:01:31.640 manifesting itself and what this is going to look like and what their plans actually are.
00:01:36.680 And again, how we can push back against it because we do have the power to do so.
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00:01:50.620 Justin Haskins, thanks so much for taking the time to join us again.
00:02:03.820 All right.
00:02:04.180 We're going to get into some of the craziness as we always do.
00:02:07.120 But first, let's talk about your book.
00:02:09.660 This is now multiple books that you've written or helped write about the Great Reset.
00:02:14.260 This one is Dark Future Uncovering the Great Reset's Terrifying Next Phase.
00:02:18.880 Um, Justin, I will just say that the title of this book does not make me feel hopeful.
00:02:25.560 I've been talking to you for a few years now about the Great Reset and about how terrifying
00:02:31.120 it is.
00:02:31.920 And you're telling me that there is a next phase that is terrifying.
00:02:36.200 OK, tell us.
00:02:37.380 Just tell us.
00:02:38.060 We should we need to know.
00:02:40.600 Right.
00:02:41.200 Yeah.
00:02:41.600 I mean, I wish I had better news, but unfortunately, not great news.
00:02:45.780 Um, I think it's really important that people understand this information.
00:02:49.440 There there really is no book like this on the market today.
00:02:53.860 I'm not sure anyone has exactly done a book like this.
00:02:57.080 Glenn and I really wanted to do something unique.
00:02:59.100 Uh, while we were doing research for the last book about the Great Reset, laying out the
00:03:04.280 foundation for social credit scores in the United States, woke corporations, explaining
00:03:09.280 why society, uh, seems to be falling apart, why it's bursting at the seams, why nothing makes
00:03:15.400 any sense anymore.
00:03:16.260 One of the things that we came across was this movement amongst Davos elites and, and that
00:03:22.340 includes the World Economic Forum and, and all those people, but also Joe Biden and John
00:03:26.640 Kerry and all of the people who are in our own government as well.
00:03:30.280 One of the things we came across is that they are planning for a future.
00:03:34.240 They're not just looking at how to transform America today.
00:03:37.820 They're, they're looking at how to transform America over the next 10 years, 20 years, 30 years.
00:03:43.160 And the primary way they plan to do it is to transform the world through emerging technologies
00:03:50.780 like artificial intelligence, like central bank, digital currencies, uh, like quantum computing
00:03:57.880 and algorithms that are, that are directing public policy decisions and even sentencing decisions
00:04:03.680 and criminal court cases, um, all kinds of really crazy stuff that's going on with technology.
00:04:09.420 Uh, the, the elites and big corporations and big tech companies, they want to use this technology
00:04:15.480 to change the world.
00:04:17.240 And the way that they're planning on doing that is by embedding all of these technologies
00:04:22.180 with, uh, ESG, with social credit scores, with woke ideology, so that in the future,
00:04:28.860 artificial intelligence and a whole bunch of other technologies have these left-wing values
00:04:35.480 embedded in them, designed in them right from the very start.
00:04:39.860 And so as these things become more influential in our lives, as they become more influential
00:04:44.960 in government, the world is going to shift toward left-wing values.
00:04:49.380 And most people will wake up and they won't even realize why it happened or how it happened
00:04:53.800 or who's making these decisions.
00:04:55.800 Everything around them will just be completely different.
00:04:58.920 Uh, and so this book documents that it shows what these plans are.
00:05:03.000 It talks about mass surveillance and mass data collection and how exactly in the future you
00:05:08.980 won't own anything.
00:05:10.500 Lots of topics are covered in this.
00:05:12.780 Uh, we even get into the war in Ukraine a little bit and some of the stuff that's going
00:05:16.240 on there and how all that relates.
00:05:18.280 So as I said, I mean, I, I really truly believe, I mean, Glenn and I spent over a year on this.
00:05:23.580 I really don't think there's any book that has ever been done.
00:05:26.220 That's quite like this more than 1200 or about 1200 citations in the book.
00:05:31.300 Uh, just a massive, massive research effort.
00:05:34.320 So I, I really hope people take the time to check it out.
00:05:37.000 Even if they don't buy it, borrow a copy from somebody else, go to the library and get a
00:05:40.740 copy there.
00:05:41.220 If you really don't want to buy it, I mean, you should buy it, but if you're not going
00:05:44.980 to buy it, at least do that because the information is too important to, to pass up.
00:05:50.580 Okay.
00:05:50.980 I have about, I have about 11,000 questions to ask about everything that you just said.
00:05:59.240 So let's back up a little bit, because even though you've been on the show several times,
00:06:03.260 there are always new people joining in people that believe it or not, don't know what you're
00:06:07.520 talking about when you talk about the great reset or talk about the world economic forum.
00:06:11.640 So we are, when we say the great reset, we are talking about a plan, mostly led by people
00:06:17.780 at the world economic forum, Davos, these major billionaire elites and major corporations,
00:06:26.180 and then powerful people in, uh, different governments around the world that are basically
00:06:32.100 trying to change the way the world works.
00:06:34.820 So no more, um, nationalism, like particular national interest, no more private property.
00:06:43.480 Um, basically we're all supposed to have this one large global cohesive society ruled by,
00:06:51.620 I mean, I hate to say one world government because it sounds people think conspiracy when
00:06:56.660 I say that, or maybe they think apocalypse when I say that, but really that's kind of what
00:07:01.080 it is.
00:07:01.380 Everyone is governed under the same rules.
00:07:04.380 Um, you don't have any kind of like a personal community or family centered or country centered
00:07:12.200 interest.
00:07:13.260 We are all working towards this goal, I guess, of stopping climate change of sharing everything
00:07:20.160 of getting rid of racism and inequality and all of this stuff.
00:07:23.480 That's how they kind of present it.
00:07:25.800 And so there are a variety of ways that they have tried to start this great reset.
00:07:30.720 And typically they use kind of climate change is the moral premise that in order to save
00:07:36.260 the world, we have to drastically change how people travel, how people live, how people
00:07:41.560 spend money, how people form relationships, how people understand information, how people
00:07:47.240 define truth, right, wrong, all of this stuff.
00:07:50.460 They've been working really hard through the levers of power that they have through corporations,
00:07:55.140 through governments in order to basically change how the world works to gain more central power.
00:08:04.280 Right.
00:08:04.840 I mean, I don't even know if I'm explaining it exactly correctly, because there's so much
00:08:10.320 within that.
00:08:11.140 There's so many different things to touch on within that.
00:08:13.660 But that's like big picture, 10,000 foot perspective of kind of what's going on.
00:08:19.420 Can you help us get a little bit more specific?
00:08:22.720 Like what what is that over the past 10 years?
00:08:25.840 What does it look like?
00:08:27.460 Right.
00:08:28.120 So the I think you laid it out really well.
00:08:30.700 I think that in a more specific way, how exactly are they planning to make these transformations?
00:08:37.180 Most of the effort that's being made is through the financial system and then by extension through
00:08:44.680 Wall Street and corporations.
00:08:46.280 So the idea is we can transform society by controlling what corporation, how corporations
00:08:53.960 behave, because really, when you think about it, corporations are more than half the U.S.
00:09:00.120 economy.
00:09:00.520 Uh, much of our culture, much of what we do and see on television and on the Internet is
00:09:07.380 all shaped by corporate action.
00:09:10.000 And in the past, corporations traditionally, like all businesses in a market based economy,
00:09:15.800 are they're basing their their decisions on what products and services they offer people
00:09:19.960 largely on supply and demand and what they think consumers want.
00:09:25.380 And sometimes there's a little bit of guesswork in that.
00:09:27.420 But that's basically the motivating factor.
00:09:29.200 We want to make more money by providing people with goods and services they want.
00:09:33.000 Well, the whole point of the Great Reset was to get all of the most influential institutions,
00:09:38.460 banks, central banks, big corporations, Wall Street firms like BlackRock and Vanguard and
00:09:43.980 State Street, Global Advisors and things like that all on the same page so that instead of
00:09:48.800 looking at consumer demand as a way of determining what products and services should look like,
00:09:55.540 we're going to transform the world by forcing people, in effect, to accept whatever products
00:10:02.400 and services we think people should have in order to not only battle climate change, but
00:10:08.700 change culture.
00:10:10.100 Right.
00:10:10.260 So if you want to know why Target is is going all in on, you know, LGBTQ stuff, is it because
00:10:17.680 Target cares about LGBTQ suddenly and they didn't care about it before?
00:10:21.620 Or is it because consumers actually want this stuff and that they're clamoring to get more
00:10:28.920 of it?
00:10:29.160 No, of course not.
00:10:30.040 It's neither of those things.
00:10:31.180 The reason why they're doing it is because they are being pressured to do it through the
00:10:36.040 financial system, through these Great Reset type policies.
00:10:39.680 And it goes well, it goes back way before anything called the Great Reset existed.
00:10:46.460 It's been around in a lot of different iterations for a while.
00:10:49.040 But the idea is to use money through the financial system and the massive amounts of money printing
00:10:55.500 that have been going on over the past decade.
00:10:58.020 Use that money.
00:10:58.860 Use the banks.
00:10:59.640 Use Wall Street.
00:11:00.620 Use BlackRock and things like that to transform society regardless of what people want.
00:11:06.920 So when Bud Light makes a decision that makes absolutely no sense by hiring a transgender
00:11:11.820 spokesperson to sell beer to a bunch of people who really are not that they don't find that
00:11:17.780 appealing at all.
00:11:18.820 The reason why they did that is not because they thought their customers wanted it.
00:11:23.120 They were doing it because that's where the that's where the Wall Street money, that's
00:11:27.440 where the banking money, that's what that's where all of that is going.
00:11:30.960 And they're chasing those dollars, not the dollars that regular consumers have.
00:11:35.800 And so that, I think, is how the Great Reset works.
00:11:39.020 And so ESG, social credit scores and things like that is the sort of control dial for how
00:11:45.080 elites are transforming society.
00:11:47.580 It's how they're pushing these changes.
00:11:49.060 It's how they know who the good guys are and who the bad guys are in the economy.
00:11:53.380 I think that's but that's the idea behind the Great Reset is to transform everything so
00:11:57.720 that Europe and America and eventually the whole world all look the same, both culturally
00:12:03.440 in terms of their social contracts and their governing structures and everything.
00:12:07.660 And it's all being done through the private sector rather than just through government
00:12:11.560 mandates.
00:12:12.360 So basically, these ESG scores, the environmental, the social and the governance, these companies
00:12:18.660 are trying to get a high score on all of these things.
00:12:21.520 Environmental, obviously, they're doing things ostensibly to push back against climate change
00:12:26.760 and to help the environment.
00:12:28.380 Social would be pro-LGBTQ, pro-so-called racial equity, pro-BLM.
00:12:34.400 They happen to all be progressive values, which I do want to talk about in a second, which
00:12:38.060 it's just interesting.
00:12:39.720 It's interesting.
00:12:40.860 And then the governance piece, who they're supporting, what kind of policies they're supporting,
00:12:45.480 again, mostly kind of progressive policies.
00:12:48.580 And so they want a high score on all of those things so that they make sure that they are
00:12:53.240 having the approval, not of their consumers, but of their shareholders.
00:12:57.300 You mentioned these major, huge global companies, these behemoth companies like BlackRock and
00:13:03.700 Vanguard.
00:13:04.420 And then, like you mentioned, the Wall Street dollars.
00:13:06.680 So that's what they're looking to.
00:13:08.140 They're looking to their approval, not the approval of the consumer, because that's really how they're
00:13:13.640 making their money and how they're grounding their power, those ESG scores.
00:13:18.600 Now, this might be a very stupid question, but I was thinking as you were explaining all
00:13:22.940 of this, which we've talked about several times, but where exactly did this start?
00:13:28.540 Who is calculating these ESG scores?
00:13:32.860 Is there someone in a room that's saying, OK, you have a good ESG score, and so let's post
00:13:39.980 that somewhere so that BlackRock can see what your ESG score is?
00:13:43.340 Who is calculating these ESG scores?
00:13:45.800 And who came up with ESG?
00:13:48.260 Was it Davos?
00:13:49.140 Were they sitting in a room in 2001 and they decided that this was going to happen?
00:13:54.260 Or what was the origin of it?
00:13:57.980 And who is controlling it right now?
00:14:00.900 Yeah.
00:14:01.120 So there are a whole bunch of ESG scoring metrics that exist.
00:14:07.080 The World Economic Forum, the Davos people, they created an ESG scoring system that they
00:14:14.020 hope is going to become sort of the standard bearer throughout the Western world because
00:14:18.800 there are a bunch of them.
00:14:20.060 That's actually one of the main complaints from these corporations participating in it is
00:14:23.380 that there's too many different systems.
00:14:25.200 But for the most part, there's a handful of really influential ones, and they all are tied
00:14:32.800 to various parts of the financial system.
00:14:36.060 For example, Moody's Investor Service, which a lot of people have probably heard of, a big
00:14:40.780 Wall Street firm, they do a lot of bond ratings and things like that.
00:14:45.160 They have an ESG scoring system.
00:14:47.840 And that ESG scoring system impacts bond ratings.
00:14:51.380 Bonds are sort of like a way for corporations to raise capital.
00:14:57.120 Governments do this as well, to raise capital for various projects or things like that.
00:15:01.780 They will offer, they'll ask for money.
00:15:05.320 And in return for that money, they'll promise to pay back that money plus interest.
00:15:10.160 Okay, that's what a bond is.
00:15:11.420 Your bond rating is your likelihood that you're going to pay this back.
00:15:15.120 That's what it's supposed to be.
00:15:16.120 But now it's your likelihood that you'll pay it back, plus how well you score on ESG and
00:15:22.560 other woke metrics.
00:15:24.260 Okay, so both of those things are now tied into it.
00:15:27.520 So you have ESG scores from Moody's and from Fitch Ratings, which is another big company that
00:15:33.400 does this kind of thing.
00:15:34.740 You have companies that are dedicated just entirely to this.
00:15:39.100 And every big corporation has basically an ESG department whose sole job is to produce ESG
00:15:45.840 annual reports touting how well they're scoring on these various ESG metric systems so that
00:15:53.300 they can be in the good graces of these Wall Street investment firms and others.
00:15:58.600 And it's not just Wall Street investment firms.
00:16:00.700 It's also banks and financial institutions who are saying, we're not going to do business
00:16:05.680 with people or even whole industries if they score really poorly on their ESG metrics.
00:16:12.280 So it's Wall Street, it's central banks, and then it's Wall Street, it's private banks.
00:16:19.600 There's some central bank activity in this area now.
00:16:21.900 And then there's even talk in mostly in Europe right now to make this a government mandated
00:16:27.900 system so that you're going to have a government mandated ESG scoring system.
00:16:32.940 And if you don't comply with that system, then you're going to be either you'll be penalized
00:16:38.180 in some way or not allowed to operate within the European Union.
00:16:42.160 And that's going to tie up all kinds of American companies that do business in Europe or do
00:16:46.940 business with businesses who are located in Europe.
00:16:49.820 And so this system is expanding dramatically.
00:16:53.660 And there's a whole bunch of different players involved in it.
00:16:56.900 But I think that the most important thing for people to keep in mind is that almost every
00:17:02.180 large corporation, one survey I saw recently, I think it was a 96% or so of US major corporations
00:17:09.540 have ESG reports that they produce every single year, okay?
00:17:13.300 They have ESG departments, whole staff just trying to prove how woke they are.
00:17:18.380 And that is the thing that is pushing all of these changes that we see in our society.
00:17:24.380 It's all happening through this ESG system and all of these forces that are being coercive
00:17:32.380 or even imposing these values on corporations so that they have no reason to resist it.
00:17:39.620 They want to go along with it because they'll make more money and they'll keep their investors
00:17:43.100 happy and they'll keep the banks happy and they'll keep the government happy.
00:17:46.940 And that's all they really care about, unfortunately.
00:17:49.380 Yeah, you know, some companies, it seems like, care more than others.
00:17:56.080 And I'm curious about that.
00:17:57.460 Like some companies we know have a great, quote unquote, ESG score.
00:18:02.620 And then other major companies, like surprisingly, like Fidelity Investment, they don't have a
00:18:07.200 great or a high, super high ESG score.
00:18:10.300 And I've seen some of the policies that they've enacted over the years, maybe because they have
00:18:14.300 a lot of, like, they have a lot of locations in the southern part of America.
00:18:21.020 Like, why don't companies who you would think would really care about their ESG scores or
00:18:28.720 you would think would be super progressive, like, why do they, I don't know, hinder themselves
00:18:34.540 at all?
00:18:35.200 Like, some companies aren't going all in on ESG stuff.
00:18:39.280 Even Bud Light, you could see that they kind of did a little bit of an about face after
00:18:44.340 the whole Dylan Mulvaney thing.
00:18:45.760 And they kind of got freaked out.
00:18:47.760 And they started, you know, producing commercials that would appeal to the frat parties in, you
00:18:53.640 know, Alabama and Georgia.
00:18:55.880 And they put the marketing lady on leave who had chosen Dylan Mulvaney.
00:19:00.340 So it does seem like some of these major corporations, while they say they care about their ESG scores,
00:19:06.060 they're not going all in, and they still care at least somewhat about their conservative
00:19:12.220 employees and consumers.
00:19:13.920 So why is that tension still here?
00:19:17.360 Yeah, I mean, I think that a lot of it depends on the people who are running the ESG.
00:19:23.260 So there's a few different things.
00:19:24.980 The Black Rocks of the world who own massive amounts of shares, where do they, how, because
00:19:31.780 it really all comes down to how much you want to enforce it, right?
00:19:35.920 So you can have a bad ESG score.
00:19:38.320 But if Black Rock doesn't want to punish you for having a bad ESG score, for example, or
00:19:43.760 State Street Global Advisors or Bank of America, if they don't want to punish you, then they
00:19:49.680 don't necessarily have to, right?
00:19:51.920 So it kind of comes down to how important it is for them to hold these companies' feet
00:19:58.580 to the fire.
00:19:59.160 And in some cases, they really want to do that, and they're trying really hard to get
00:20:03.760 those companies to change.
00:20:05.500 And in other cases, they use it as just sort of a light pressure to get companies to change.
00:20:11.300 So why is it that Bud Light is not being forced to go all in and is only kind of halfway in?
00:20:19.800 Well, because beer really isn't that important to transforming society.
00:20:23.440 I mean, that's the main reason.
00:20:24.720 Some of the companies that have sort of mediocre or bad ESG scores are the companies that are
00:20:31.500 most important.
00:20:32.980 And the reason they have bad ESG scores is to try to force them to transform even more
00:20:38.560 than they already are.
00:20:39.760 One of the best examples of this is that prior to all the really crazy social media bias shutdowns
00:20:47.380 and all of that stuff, when they were still somewhat trying to be a little bit fair, you
00:20:54.100 still had Donald Trump, for example, on these social media platforms.
00:20:57.900 There was an ESG report that was produced about Facebook.
00:21:01.560 And in the ESG report, Facebook got a very, very mediocre rating.
00:21:06.140 And then when you actually read through why they got the mediocre rating, which you had
00:21:12.080 to go read like a report cited by another report and all of this other stuff, it wasn't
00:21:16.580 necessarily easy to find.
00:21:17.960 They did that on purpose.
00:21:19.020 What you discovered was the reason they got a bad ESG score was because they didn't do
00:21:23.760 enough censoring.
00:21:25.440 They needed to do more censoring.
00:21:28.020 And even though they had been censoring conservatives for a while, they weren't doing enough of it.
00:21:32.960 And one of the main things that people that these people who are giving them a low score
00:21:37.500 pointed to was that Donald Trump was still on the platform.
00:21:41.600 Why is Donald Trump, even as he was president of the United States, they were complaining
00:21:44.840 that the president of the United States was allowed to be on Facebook's platform.
00:21:48.560 So not long after that, it was probably within a year of that happening.
00:21:52.500 Donald Trump was no longer on Facebook's platform.
00:21:55.020 That's the kind of thing that you that that's the kind of transformation that you want to see
00:21:59.260 if you're trying to make you're trying to rework society.
00:22:03.220 Right.
00:22:03.640 So you don't want to give companies good ESG scores that are the important ones unless
00:22:09.220 they're doing everything you want.
00:22:11.100 Otherwise, they have no reason to change society even more than they already are.
00:22:15.260 So I think that's the main reason why you're seeing some companies are really being pushed
00:22:20.120 into it.
00:22:20.580 And then other companies are just kind of dancing around it.
00:22:24.120 Um, it's because BlackRock doesn't care about every company, uh, Bank of America doesn't
00:22:28.840 care about every company.
00:22:29.920 They only care about the really important ones.
00:22:32.400 It does seem though, like even target, when there was that huge backlash against the disgusting
00:22:38.340 products that were being marketed towards children back in May and June, they, I mean, they issued
00:22:44.480 a statement, they moved some of the stuff to the back of the store.
00:22:47.560 Maybe, I mean, they said it was for safety or whatever, but there does still seem to be a
00:22:53.140 little bit of trepidation when it comes to upsetting part of the customer base.
00:22:58.500 And I guess it's just something that they're still trying to balance as this transformation
00:23:02.620 of society keeps, you know, occurring.
00:23:06.020 And so maybe one day they won't care about the consumer at all.
00:23:09.140 They'll just be able to say, okay, you can't shop here and we don't care, um, whether, you
00:23:14.800 know, you raise a ruckus about it.
00:23:16.380 But does it, I mean, in the interim, like while we are still in the midst of this transformation,
00:23:23.140 does it have any effect for people to say, okay, I'm not going to use these companies
00:23:28.960 that are actively working against me in the name of ESG?
00:23:34.020 Yeah.
00:23:34.860 Oh, without a doubt.
00:23:36.180 I mean, the, the, the, the whole goal here is still to make money for these corporations.
00:23:42.900 It's just, they're, what they're trying to do is balance making money from wall street
00:23:48.420 and banks and central banks and government with making money from consumers.
00:23:53.200 And there's a balancing act here because what the, what wall street wants is they want to
00:23:58.660 make money too, but they also want these corporations to transform society, right?
00:24:03.020 Not everybody on wall street, but the, the really big firms that we're talking about
00:24:06.480 here.
00:24:06.860 And the same thing is true with banks as well.
00:24:09.760 They also want to make money, but they also want to see the end of all fossil fuels.
00:24:14.400 Okay.
00:24:14.860 That's an open goal from the largest banks in the United States.
00:24:18.240 So there's a balancing act that's happening here.
00:24:21.500 And what I think is going on is you, you have these corporations being pushed in the direction
00:24:27.140 of these various, um, uh, goals, these various ideologies, and they're testing the
00:24:32.880 limits of what they can get away with.
00:24:34.580 And sometimes they go over boundaries and they didn't realize that they were going to
00:24:38.560 do that until it happens.
00:24:39.620 And then they have to retreat back a little bit.
00:24:41.720 But what they're being told behind the scenes is, look, you're doing the right things.
00:24:46.280 Give it enough time.
00:24:48.200 Society is going to change.
00:24:50.000 Culture is going to change.
00:24:51.780 Um, the education system and, uh, in the media and Hollywood and music industry and all
00:24:57.060 of that is working.
00:24:58.120 It's going full steam to change everything.
00:25:00.220 You're not going to have this pushback forever.
00:25:02.880 So don't worry about it.
00:25:04.640 You're going to be taken care of.
00:25:06.100 Everything's going to be fine.
00:25:07.820 Don't, you don't need to totally run away from this whole thing.
00:25:10.640 And so I think that's really what's, what's going on here.
00:25:14.780 Some, they still want to make money from consumers.
00:25:17.300 There's no doubt about that, but consumers are not the most important thing.
00:25:20.960 Otherwise they would never have even tried these things in the first place.
00:25:24.120 Right?
00:25:24.380 So what, when people resist against this, when they boycott these companies, when they,
00:25:30.360 when they come out, you know, saying, look, we're not going to be a part of this.
00:25:34.020 This is not my values.
00:25:35.280 It absolutely has a huge effect.
00:25:37.500 It does slow things down.
00:25:39.080 But at the end of the day, if we don't fix the other parts of the problem, then eventually
00:25:43.980 the culture will change to the point where people who are doing this are in such a minority
00:25:49.880 position that what they want doesn't really matter anymore.
00:25:53.100 And that that's going to happen unless we fix the education system, unless we stop all
00:25:58.040 of this manipulation from wall street and Hollywood and the music industry and all of
00:26:02.000 that too.
00:26:02.920 Um, because basically they're playing a long game here.
00:26:06.200 They're not playing for right now.
00:26:07.620 They're playing for the next 20, 30 years.
00:26:09.580 And we have to start thinking that way as well.
00:26:13.740 And why progressivism?
00:26:16.520 Why gender fluidity?
00:26:18.600 Why so-called equity?
00:26:21.520 Is it because these ideas, these progressive ideas basically make the family and the individual
00:26:27.580 and societies and communities and nations weaker?
00:26:31.440 I mean, that's, that's what I think.
00:26:33.280 I highly doubt that George Soros like really has some just, I don't know, deep sense of compassion
00:26:40.120 for a gender confused child.
00:26:42.420 Like it, I mean, I think part of it is also with that, the pharmaceutical companies, how much
00:26:47.220 money they make and all of that.
00:26:49.740 But to me, it's because progressivism almost always means weakness.
00:26:54.000 It tears down the things that make us strong, that make us cohesive, that give us a good
00:26:58.120 foundation, a sense of national pride.
00:27:00.840 Um, so is that why, like, is that why it's the progressive values that they're being pushed
00:27:06.900 to espouse?
00:27:08.660 Yeah.
00:27:09.140 I mean, there's, there's a, there's actually like quite a few theories about the motivating
00:27:13.480 factors of say BlackRock and, um, you know, state street and wall street firms and banks
00:27:20.620 and stuff.
00:27:21.080 Um, there, there's a, a really good argument that can be made that they're, the reason
00:27:26.600 they're doing it is purely just money.
00:27:28.280 It has nothing to do with anything other than money.
00:27:30.480 But the reason why they're, they think that they can make money off of it is because they
00:27:35.200 know that government institutions and central banks and others have been so infiltrated with
00:27:41.440 people who think like George Soros, that the idea is they, they, they have to do this if
00:27:46.960 they want to still chase these big government subsidies and massive bailouts and money printing
00:27:52.360 and all of this other stuff.
00:27:53.820 And so I think what you have is you have very different goals that the, they, they all have,
00:27:59.620 um, I think a lot of the corporations are just chasing money.
00:28:02.380 A lot of the banks even might just be chasing money.
00:28:05.000 They're trying to keep the government happy and all of that.
00:28:08.000 I think the people in government, the people in academia, the people who are pushing this
00:28:12.240 from that other perspective have more of an ideological bent that's similar to what you
00:28:17.100 just described.
00:28:18.240 Um, I think that is absolutely the case.
00:28:20.540 You can easily prove though, that this is not really about compassion or kindness or diversity
00:28:28.160 or anything like that.
00:28:29.680 It's very easy to do.
00:28:30.620 The way you do it is, is this, um, and no one, I've never heard anybody from Davos be able
00:28:36.100 to disprove this in any way, uh, if these companies and if these banks and if the world
00:28:41.920 economic forum, and if all these people really did just care about all these goals, then the
00:28:45.940 last thing that they would do is be completely 100% in bed with countries like China who are
00:28:53.940 notorious human rights violators on, on based on basically any metric that you can come up
00:28:59.880 with.
00:29:00.160 And yet, despite that, they're all completely in bed with them.
00:29:04.140 I mean, BlackRock has sweetheart deals with China.
00:29:06.880 Klaus Schwab is going to China, praising how wonderful they are.
00:29:10.540 Uh, we have so much, we have so much evidence that shows the tight, uh, connection between
00:29:17.120 corporate America and corporate Europe and the banking system and all of that and China
00:29:22.320 where they are notorious human rights violators.
00:29:25.100 You can't say you care about all these different things, including climate change, including
00:29:29.580 the environment, because China doesn't care about those things either.
00:29:33.460 You can't say you care about those things and then turn around and do massive amounts
00:29:37.140 of business, hundreds of billions of dollars of business with China.
00:29:40.980 That just doesn't make any sense at all.
00:29:43.580 So this is definitely not about helping people or being compassionate or anything else.
00:29:49.720 I think it's about cronyism.
00:29:51.260 It's about corruption.
00:29:52.040 It's about power.
00:29:53.080 It's about money.
00:29:54.200 It's about transforming society.
00:29:57.160 Depending on the player you're talking about, they have different goals, but they all have
00:30:01.480 one thing in common.
00:30:02.440 And that thing is they have a reason to want to transform the United States.
00:30:06.500 And that's exactly what they're doing.
00:30:08.520 And yet right now there is kind of this parallel economy among conservatives happening.
00:30:14.460 And I mean, I have a lot of these sponsors on my show.
00:30:17.540 They are Christian conservative companies.
00:30:19.160 They're not major corporations, but they're growing successful because people are realizing
00:30:23.820 the things that we're talking about, or even on a more like a obvious scale, these companies
00:30:29.340 are supporting values that we don't agree with.
00:30:33.100 And so they're looking for alternatives.
00:30:36.080 And so how long do you think that this is going to be allowed to go on?
00:30:39.740 That we're allowed to have this America loving, you know, pro-life meat company, diaper company,
00:30:48.200 makeup company, that again, they're not major corporations maybe transforming society, but
00:30:53.320 more and more people are starting to vote with their dollar.
00:30:56.780 I can't imagine the people who are trying to transform society through corporations are
00:31:01.420 going to tolerate that for very long.
00:31:04.020 But do you have some hope that you, I mean, I see that shift happening definitely since
00:31:08.940 COVID, this parallel economy that's going on and I'm excited about it, but I don't want
00:31:13.200 to get my hopes too high.
00:31:15.100 Yeah, the, the, the whole, um, so first the not so good news, the not so good news is the
00:31:22.460 reason why the left has chosen this strategy for the great reset working through the financial
00:31:28.220 institutions and government, but mainly through financial institutions and wall street is
00:31:33.940 because even in a, even if you have these, these new companies that emerge, if you can
00:31:39.800 get all of the banks and all of the financial institutions together, insurance companies
00:31:45.920 are part of that too, by the way, and they all say, we're not going to do business with
00:31:50.180 these people.
00:31:50.680 So payment processors aren't going to do business with you.
00:31:53.860 Banks are not going to do business with you.
00:31:56.140 Uh, big tech companies are not going to do business with you.
00:31:59.000 Then you basically can't exist.
00:32:00.700 You can't, you just can't function without a bank account in this, in this society.
00:32:05.080 You just can't, and you could start your own bank, but all the banks for the most part,
00:32:09.700 most of the banks are basically beholden in one fashion to, or another to larger banks
00:32:15.420 and eventually to the federal reserve.
00:32:17.360 And the federal reserve is ultimately made up of a bunch of private banks as well.
00:32:21.560 And so they've come up with a really ingenious way to, to force kind of everybody to go along
00:32:28.340 with it.
00:32:28.600 Once they realized that they could print lots and lots and lots of money, give it to the
00:32:34.320 financial institutions.
00:32:35.420 And then basically the financial institutions could tie all kinds of strings to it through
00:32:40.000 ESG and other stuff.
00:32:41.120 They realized that there really is almost no way to stop it from without some sort of regulatory
00:32:47.700 changes.
00:32:49.440 And, uh, I think they were banking on nobody ever figuring out that this was happening
00:32:52.980 until it was too late.
00:32:54.060 And that kind of upended everything when they launched a great reset campaign in 2020.
00:32:58.600 And everybody was like, Whoa, you're talking about some crazy stuff here.
00:33:02.720 And once people started looking underneath the hood, they realized all of this stuff is
00:33:07.400 going on.
00:33:07.820 Now, the hopeful part of all of this is it can be stopped through regulatory changes that
00:33:13.380 basically say, look, financial institutions, if you are a bank, if you are a, um, if you're
00:33:20.600 a bank, if you're a central bank, if you are an insurance company, you have to offer products
00:33:26.340 and services to people based on financial considerations.
00:33:30.600 That's, that's your industry.
00:33:32.280 That's your business.
00:33:32.900 You can't say, we're not going to offer you a bank account because you said something nice
00:33:36.880 about Ron DeSantis on Twitter.
00:33:39.240 And we don't like Ron DeSantis right now.
00:33:40.900 They can do that and in a lot of places.
00:33:43.000 And so that's that kind of thing, uh, which is starting to be talked about by state lawmakers.
00:33:49.960 It has been formally proposed in a bunch of States in Florida.
00:33:53.420 They actually passed a law that's that stops banks from discriminating in that way.
00:33:59.560 And, and, and, and so it's the first one that's ever been done like that.
00:34:03.640 There are bills in Congress.
00:34:05.380 Unfortunately, Republicans don't have control of Congress, so they can't get it passed yet,
00:34:09.000 but they have bills in Congress that would do that.
00:34:11.680 So if Republicans do end up taking control of Congress and the white house, at some point,
00:34:16.000 they probably will try to pass a bill that will stop banks and financial institutions
00:34:21.020 and insurance companies from doing this kind of discrimination.
00:34:24.460 And then you really can have a parallel economy because the bank and the insurance company
00:34:29.320 can't go to you and say, well, you don't have solar panels on your house.
00:34:32.000 So we're not going to give you a mortgage or we're not going to give you insurance or whatever.
00:34:37.220 You don't drive the right kind of car.
00:34:38.620 So we're not going to insure the car.
00:34:40.160 We're not going to give you a loan to buy one.
00:34:41.920 These are the kinds of things that they're starting to do.
00:34:44.860 And there are ways to stop it.
00:34:47.140 And we need both the parallel economy and those regulatory changes.
00:34:51.000 And unfortunately we don't have either one fully fleshed out yet, but there is reason to
00:34:56.360 believe that we are at least talking about it and moving in the right direction, which is a
00:35:00.840 really great thing because just a couple of years ago, nobody was really talking about this
00:35:04.780 in the same way.
00:35:06.260 Right.
00:35:07.180 Right.
00:35:07.660 And obviously you and Glenn have played a big part in that.
00:35:10.660 Is it, does it break down among the politicians who get it, who really understand what's going
00:35:16.200 on?
00:35:16.480 And I would guess that they're few and far between, even like on the Republican side.
00:35:21.540 Does it split though, typically along Republican Democrat lines?
00:35:25.240 Like, is there any bipartisan agreement that, Ooh, this is probably not great.
00:35:31.860 I don't really like the idea of the world's billionaires being able to dictate American
00:35:37.620 society and, you know, personal choices that Americans make based on their kind of arbitrary
00:35:43.400 metrics.
00:35:44.580 Or is it, I mean, is it just really a conservative position to push back against this stuff?
00:35:49.660 Yeah.
00:35:50.220 From, from what we've seen and I've worked in, I've worked with state lawmakers and states
00:35:54.900 all across the United States on this issue in Florida and in Kansas and in New Hampshire
00:36:00.500 and a whole bunch of other places in Idaho.
00:36:02.900 Uh, some of these places are very deep, deep, deep red places where Republicans have run everything
00:36:07.620 for a very long time.
00:36:08.860 Like Idaho, for example, is one of those things.
00:36:11.000 And what we found is that the, the, the people who are most likely to stop this are actually
00:36:17.000 establishment Republicans, not anybody else.
00:36:21.280 Democrats, establishment Republicans.
00:36:24.060 Yes.
00:36:24.820 Establishment Republicans.
00:36:26.000 The, the, the people who are usually in positions of leadership.
00:36:30.760 Okay.
00:36:31.340 I didn't know what you mean by establishment.
00:36:32.840 Cause when I think establishment, I think like Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell.
00:36:37.460 Those people too.
00:36:38.640 Yeah.
00:36:39.180 They, they, they, those kinds of people, but at the state level, they're the, they're the
00:36:43.320 ones most likely to derail this now, Democrats for the most part say they're opposed to it.
00:36:49.760 Uh, they, they, they don't, I mean, well, they say that they're opposed to rules that
00:36:53.760 would regulate these things and they have bizarrely in many places taken the position.
00:36:58.880 It's like you're in the twilight zone where they start talking about the necessity of this
00:37:03.120 is the free market and we have to promote free market economics.
00:37:06.580 And all of a sudden they're lecturing people like me about the virtue of free market economics.
00:37:11.120 Whenever we're talking about stopping a bank from denying, uh, a person access to banking
00:37:17.720 services purely because they're a Republican.
00:37:20.020 Now I'm being told that's free market economics.
00:37:22.080 It's absurd, but, um, Democrats, you know, there are, there is a wing of the democratic party.
00:37:27.660 Ironically, it's really the socialist wing of the democratic party that really does not
00:37:32.320 like this sort of thing. Um, they don't want big corporations and big banks and financial
00:37:37.820 institutions controlling society. They think government should control society, which I don't
00:37:43.100 agree with. And you don't agree with that's what they want, but they definitely don't want the Davos
00:37:47.580 crowd doing it. And that's why you don't ever see people like AOC or Bernie Sanders or people like
00:37:52.960 that in Davos at the world economic forum, giving speeches about ESG. You don't ever see that because
00:37:59.000 really this is about elites versus everyone else. Not, it's not really a socialist movement per se.
00:38:06.220 It's more of an elitist movement. It's more about centralizing the power, power and wealth. Um, and so
00:38:12.360 in places where we've had Republican leadership say, Hey, we have to put a stop to this. We've seen the
00:38:20.380 most amount of progress. And that's why in Florida, they were able to pass sweeping, uh, anti ESG
00:38:27.780 legislation relatively quickly without a whole lot of pain or resistance. And it was because it
00:38:33.140 started at the top, right from the very beginning, Ron DeSantis came out and said, we're not going to
00:38:37.040 allow this. The head of the Senate came out and said, we're not going to allow this. And the head
00:38:41.120 of the house came out and said, we're not going to allow it. They all came out together at the same
00:38:44.420 time. And everybody fell into line in other places. You have the leadership of the Republican
00:38:49.520 leadership of these legislatures. Like this happened in, in Idaho where the, the, the Republican
00:38:54.800 leaders came out and said, sorry, but you know, we can't regulate banks or sorry, but, uh, we can't
00:39:01.100 regulate insurance companies, or we're not going to go along with this for X, Y, Z other reason, or
00:39:05.060 they kill it and they put it off to another time or they changed the bill at the last minute. Um, so I
00:39:11.080 think that that's the biggest obstacle that we face. Uh, I think it really does come from them.
00:39:15.800 Republicans actually control most States in the United States and they have for a while. The problem is we
00:39:22.180 can't get the establishment Republicans. We can't get the Mitch McConnell types to do the right thing
00:39:28.840 on this. Probably, unfortunately, because they've been corrupted by big business and special interests
00:39:34.640 and bank lobbyists. Uh, and we know that from, in some cases for a fact that that's what's going on. Um,
00:39:41.640 but hopefully enough public pressure can force these people to do the right thing.
00:39:45.800 Okay. So you said that it's establishment Republicans that are most like, like including
00:39:52.040 like a McConnell or Lindsey Graham to push back against this, but it's hard to get them to actually
00:39:57.180 do the right thing. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, no, no. I'm, I'm saying they're the ones
00:40:02.080 that are, they're the ones that are most likely to try to kill any attempt to stop. Oh, okay.
00:40:07.840 I misunderstood. I misunderstood. So, okay. I was thinking, I thought that you were saying the
00:40:13.960 opposite. Actually, I thought that you were saying that they are the most likely to, uh,
00:40:19.440 be anti ESG. That makes a lot more sense now. So the establishment or Republicans are the ones who
00:40:25.960 are the most likely to oppose, to be anti, anti ESG stuff for everything that you just explained.
00:40:32.320 They don't want to regulate banks. They don't want to stop them from doing the ESG stuff. They don't
00:40:36.680 want to regulate the insurance companies and stop them from using ESG as a way to control people.
00:40:42.400 The establishment are the ones that are standing in the way of the reforms that we need to fix this
00:40:47.620 problem. So when you're looking at the presidential candidates on the Republican side, I mean, I think
00:40:53.740 we know where Joe Biden or anyone who almost anyone who runs Democrat, I don't know about RFK
00:40:59.140 junior, but, um, I think we know where the Democrat ticket would stand. But when you're looking at the
00:41:03.500 primary field on the Republican side, what candidates do you think get it the most and would be most
00:41:09.520 likely to say, nope, we're going to do everything within our power to stop this stuff?
00:41:15.200 Yeah, that's a, that's a great question. I've actually, uh, reached out to a lot of the
00:41:19.160 presidential candidate campaigns to get an answer to that question. Um, I think that, uh, the, the
00:41:25.020 ones that immediately come to mind, the ones that I'm 100% certain about are, uh, Ron DeSantis,
00:41:30.500 based on what he's done in Florida would probably be the toughest or as tough as anybody else. I doubt
00:41:38.660 anyone would be tougher than him on ESG. The, the, the, the, if he took what he did in Florida and he
00:41:44.440 did it at the federal level, it would, it would go a long way towards solving this problem, uh, for as
00:41:49.620 long as that law is in place. Um, Vivek Ramaswamy has been a huge opponent of ESG. There's a lot of good
00:41:56.620 things that he said about ESG when it comes specifically to the financial institution part
00:42:01.320 of it, which I think is the biggest part of the problem. He sometimes comes across as maybe a
00:42:06.840 little bit weaker on that than like a Ron DeSantis would be. But for the most part, I think he would
00:42:11.020 probably do the right thing as well. When Donald Trump was in office as president, one of the last
00:42:16.740 things that his administration did was try to stop this problem by passing a regulation through,
00:42:22.960 uh, an agency called the OCC. That's the office of the comptroller of the currency. They regulate a lot
00:42:29.060 of, uh, banks and they, they passed a rule basically saying large banks can't discriminate on non-financial
00:42:35.260 factors. And it, and it went into, it actually had been approved. It went through the, this really
00:42:40.660 complicated regulatory process. And then before it could actually be enforced on anybody, Joe Biden
00:42:46.400 came into office and then immediately killed it. That was literally the first week in office. He killed
00:42:52.080 that regulation, but that gives hope that, that Donald Trump, or at least people in his
00:42:57.340 administration would be, uh, doing the right thing on this as well. Um, I reached out to Nikki Haley's
00:43:04.120 campaign, um, and asked about this. And basically I was told, you know, Nikki Haley thinks ESG is
00:43:10.420 terrible, but, um, they didn't give me any specifics at all about how she would address it. Uh, Tim Scott
00:43:16.600 and people and some of the other candidates that kind of are on that level really haven't done or
00:43:21.980 said a whole lot about this. So I would say that the, the candidates who are the strongest on this
00:43:27.180 that we know about so far are Vivek Ramaswamy, Ron DeSantis, and, uh, and Donald Trump. Those are
00:43:34.320 probably the, the, the three biggest ones that you could count on for doing something really positive
00:43:39.620 about this. What did I tell you guys? A fascinating conversation, right? Every time I talk to him,
00:43:49.420 my mind is just blown and that we haven't even gotten to in this conversation, like what I intended
00:43:57.200 to talk to him about, which is more artificial intelligence. Also the plan that the UN is cooking
00:44:04.380 up and for basically world domination. Um, some of the things that the WEF talked about this summer,
00:44:13.680 I mean, it is wild and it's so important for us to know. It's so important for us to see the big
00:44:20.400 picture. What is behind all of these social, cultural, moral, legal changes that are going on?
00:44:27.420 There is a huge agenda at play here in artificial intelligence plays a really big and important part of
00:44:32.880 that. So he's going to break all of that down for us tomorrow. Sorry for having to split this up,
00:44:38.360 but we, we just had to, but you do not want to miss tomorrow's conversation because again,
00:44:44.200 just fascinating and mind blowing with some more optimism and hope. I promise you that.
00:44:48.900 All right. Thanks so much for listening. Uh, meet us back here tomorrow.