Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 847 ｜ Are Aliens Just Demons？

00:00:00.000 A former intelligence official testified last week in Congress that they have found UFOs and

00:00:06.520 non-human remains with these UFOs. What? Is this true? Does it matter? Does anyone care?

00:00:16.060 Is it biblically possible for there to be aliens? We'll get into all of that. Also,

00:00:21.580 I'll give you a little personal update how things are going, how the pregnancy is gone,

00:00:26.320 what I'm looking forward to in the coming weeks. And then to round us out, we are going to talk a

00:00:32.500 little bit more about this Florida curriculum that people are so up in arms about on the right and the

00:00:38.680 left. And again, to show you what is true and to give you the facts about it, because it's so

00:00:44.020 important to get this right. All right. This episode is brought to you by our friends at

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00:00:56.320 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Monday. Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend, that you're

00:01:04.320 ready for a great week. It is going to be, it's going to feel like, I think like 1.12 where I am

00:01:11.420 this week. I'm pretty sure that it's actually physically going to get up to like 1.10 at some

00:01:18.280 point this week. I'm a big whiner in the wintertime, big time whiner. And in the fall, as soon as it gets

00:01:25.280 like a little bit chilly, I'm like, nope, I want to go outside and sweat. I want it to feel like a

00:01:31.700 suffocating blanket of heat as soon as I step out my door. And then as soon as it happens to me,

00:01:37.200 as soon as it happens to me every year, I'm like, why? Why? Why do I tolerate this? Why don't I live

00:01:45.300 in, I don't know, some kind of beautiful mountain in Utah? And so, but I really, I really try not to

00:01:55.220 complain about the weather because I heard Elizabeth Elliott say like a few years ago,

00:02:00.640 shouldn't say it a few years ago, but I heard her say it a few years ago, that like complaining about

00:02:05.880 the weather is basically grumbling at God because who else is in charge of the weather except for him?

00:02:10.820 So I really try not to do that. All I will say is that I don't think I, as a human being and built

00:02:17.720 for these kinds of extremes. I think that I am built for very mild 75 weather and also being as

00:02:28.960 pregnant as I am right now, I have just like an incubator in me at all times. I am like perpetually

00:02:35.520 warm. So anyway, for all of you in these Southern states, in the desert states that are suffering as

00:02:44.660 I am under such suppressive heat, I just wanted to express some empathy with you that I, I'm right

00:02:51.220 there with you. And I know we think we're like, it's going to break. It's going to break at some

00:02:55.480 point. You know what? Let's just, just acknowledge and just accept the fact, just be content with the

00:03:01.800 fact that we have about three, three, four more months of this. You think it's going to break in

00:03:07.600 September. It's not going to break in September. You think it's going to break in October. It's

00:03:12.020 probably not going to break in October. It's probably going to be Thanksgiving before it gets

00:03:16.440 down into the seventies. So just accept that. And I'm just going to learn how to be grateful in all

00:03:22.900 circumstances, content in all circumstances. So you guys asked me for a personal update. That's part of

00:03:27.960 my personal update. I'm sweating all of the time. Um, but you guys, when I asked on Instagram, what

00:03:34.280 do you want me to talk about? A lot of people said aliens. And so we're going to talk about aliens,

00:03:38.200 but you also asked me to just give a personal update because as you well know, I am 36 weeks

00:03:43.980 pregnant. Um, or maybe you didn't know how far along I was, but most of you know that I am

00:03:49.200 pregnant with our third child. We're so excited. We are keeping the gender a surprise. We don't know.

00:03:53.980 We found out with our first two, um, don't know with this one, which has been really,

00:03:58.740 really fun. So for my personal update, I don't really have that much to, uh, to say, except for

00:04:03.920 thank the Lord. It's been a healthy pregnancy. All three of my pregnancies have been, um, thus far,

00:04:10.360 thank God, very uneventful pregnancies. I've never, um, had any, any, you know, any kind of incident

00:04:20.380 or any scares or anything like that. And I don't take that for granted. I am so incredibly grateful.

00:04:26.380 I've actually felt better in a lot of ways in this pregnancy than I have in previous pregnancies.

00:04:32.340 I did have a coffee aversion this pregnancy and my first trimester, actually for like the first half

00:04:37.940 of my pregnancy that I did not have my last two pregnancies. And I know some people, they don't

00:04:43.760 drink coffee at all. You don't have to message me about that, about like being careful about your

00:04:48.360 caffeine intake and things like that. I am, I don't drink very much caffeine. I probably drink

00:04:53.240 like half a cup to, I don't know, two thirds of a cup of coffee a day. And that's my caffeine intake.

00:04:58.460 And so you don't have to worry about that, but I could not drink black coffee at all. I could only

00:05:05.220 drink because you know, when you have morning sickness, if you don't have caffeine that can

00:05:09.660 make your nausea worse. And so I still tried to get some form of caffeine, but like the only kind

00:05:16.620 coffee that I liked was ice with heavy cream with a little vanilla in there, which I'm not saying is

00:05:22.100 good for you, but just to give me something to help me feel like a functioning human. Actually,

00:05:29.000 if you go back and you look at some of the episodes that I did in February, uh, that like the episodes

00:05:36.320 with Ginger Volo, I had one episode with Justin Haskins where internally I thought that I was going

00:05:43.200 to die. I was so nauseous, felt so tired. My like head hurt so much. And I really didn't have those

00:05:50.400 symptoms in my first two. So that part was definitely harder, but the aches and pains in

00:05:56.360 this pregnancy and the last half of this pregnancy have not been as difficult. So I'm praising God for

00:06:03.320 that. First half was harder. Second half has been easier. I don't know if that's an indication of the

00:06:09.260 gender one way or another, but, um, yeah, so it has been a little bit different than my first two

00:06:16.100 and I have also, I've worked out, I've taken, well, I've walked, but also I've done my, um, like my,

00:06:24.240 my bar classes that I take during this pregnancy. And I really didn't work out at all in my first two

00:06:30.720 pregnancies, maybe a little bit here and there, but not consistently. Um, I don't work out every day,

00:06:36.660 but I work out two to three times a week while pregnant. Um, and then I walk as well. And so

00:06:43.060 maybe that's helped with my aches and pains. I also see a chiropractor and I see a physical

00:06:49.320 therapist. And so that stuff has helped. I've learned every pregnancy that I need. I think that

00:06:56.260 women in general, but you just need more support when you're pregnant than you think. And there are

00:07:01.160 so many things that you can do exercises. You can do people you can go to, to help mitigate some of

00:07:05.820 the discomfort. Not everyone can, you know, go to a chiropractor and physical therapist,

00:07:10.820 but if you can, or there are a lot of things that you can do online, a lot of resources online

00:07:15.860 that you can, that you can do spinning babies is one of them to show you how to stretch the

00:07:21.060 different movements that you can do to make sure that your body is nice and loose. And I do think

00:07:25.500 that the exercise aspect that that has really helped. So I encourage you, if you are wanting to

00:07:32.400 get pregnant, if you are pregnant, um, to exercise in some form, I don't think that now is the time to

00:07:39.320 start CrossFit if you were not doing that before, but something low impact. I do. I've also heard that

00:07:46.600 this whole idea that you shouldn't start working out while pregnant, if you weren't working out before

00:07:50.980 that, that's really a myth that of course you can start being healthy and you can start exercising

00:07:55.840 again, probably not like the most intense form of exercise ever, but low impact stuff that is getting

00:08:02.000 your body moving and getting your heart rate up. As long as you can tolerate it, especially after

00:08:06.860 that first trimester, I'm just speaking from my own personal experience. It's probably good. It's

00:08:11.180 helped me feel a lot more energized, like both pregnancies. Y'all asked for the pregnancy update

00:08:16.900 for the personal update. So if it seems like I'm rambling, it's because I am, but this is what a

00:08:20.880 personal update is like for me in my head. Um, like first two pregnancies, I needed like the big

00:08:27.960 pregnancy pillow at night. It's, you know, like the giant C pillow that is like the whole body pillow

00:08:33.580 just to keep myself comfortable, probably starting at like 30 weeks. My hips and back hurt so much.

00:08:40.300 I was in so much pain, like so early on, it felt like both pregnancies that sleeping was just terrible.

00:08:45.900 Like my hips would hurt so much. They get so tired. I would flip over. But as you know,

00:08:50.860 once your belly gets big, it's so hard to flip over at night. It's like an entire event.

00:08:55.760 And, but this time I haven't had that at all. Thankfully, I still do have some aches and pains

00:09:00.620 that I'm working through. I have some like tight muscles that are like a little painful, but for the

00:09:06.380 most part, I think the exercise and all the other stuff that I've been doing has really helped.

00:09:11.280 I've also been taking ladies, you should be taking a magnesium supplement while you're pregnant in

00:09:17.000 addition to all the other stuff too. So anyway, I'm getting super close. Um, I'm 36 weeks. Both my

00:09:24.420 previous pregnancies went long or like what people would call long. I was induced with my first, not

00:09:31.460 something that I would do again. It did not go well. My body was not ready at all. There was no medical

00:09:37.420 reason for me to induce besides just being 40 weeks pregnant. Baby was fine. I was fine, but I did not

00:09:42.360 know better. I did not know better. And so I got induced and when you're like zero, zero, and if you

00:09:49.320 don't know what that means, I don't need to get into the anatomical like specifics of that. But when

00:09:53.820 you're zero, zero and your baby is high and there's no medical reason to be induced personally, just

00:10:00.420 not from a doctor's perspective personally, like that's not something I would recommend to one of my

00:10:04.560 friends. If I could go back and change that, I would, but that was like 40 weeks, six days. She

00:10:09.460 probably would have gone to like 42 weeks or so. And then my second one, I did have, you know,

00:10:15.120 spontaneous labor and that was 41 and one. So babies like to cook. My womb is very hospitable. And so I

00:10:24.700 fully anticipate going to past 40 weeks, which is difficult. It's is if any of you have been pregnant at 40

00:10:33.020 weeks pregnant every day after that is really tough, not just because you're physically uncomfortable,

00:10:39.040 but just the mental stamina that you have to have, not knowing if you're going to have your baby in

00:10:44.500 two weeks or two hours. It's just tough. And so I'm, but I am anticipating that that's just what I

00:10:52.480 have in my head. And then if I go into labor sooner, then that's great. But I'm also trying not to,

00:10:57.740 speaking of contentment with the weather, also be content with the length of pregnancy because I

00:11:03.100 don't take for granted that I have, if this is true, that I will have gone to and through all

00:11:12.320 due dates for my children. And I know that not everyone gets to do that. People who have suffered

00:11:18.160 from loss, people who have gone through very difficult preterm labors and had NICU stays. I know

00:11:23.800 that there are women who are in the hospital as we speak right now at 30 weeks pregnant or sooner than

00:11:29.820 that. Like, and they would give anything to not be in labor at the moment. They would give anything

00:11:35.700 to give birth at the due date rather than being in the hospital now and going through the complications

00:11:42.820 of having an early delivery and all of that. So I don't want to complain about going to 40 weeks or

00:11:48.620 41 weeks because not everyone gets to do that. And so I'm trying to have that like grateful

00:11:54.080 mentality that, wow, Lord, thank you so much for allowing me to have this much time with babies in

00:12:01.400 the womb. Now I say that at 36 weeks, you can ask me again at 41 weeks if I am that cheery and that

00:12:08.140 grateful about it. But I'm taking off maternity leave starting 38 weeks. So a couple of weeks. And as

00:12:15.600 I've said before, we have many, many episodes that we have been saving up for you that we have been

00:12:20.660 working on for the past several months. And they are all going to come out while I'm on maternity

00:12:26.060 leave. We have so many fascinating conversations. It's been really hard for me to keep those not

00:12:32.460 published, unpublished and not tell you about them because so many of them I know are going to be

00:12:37.660 not just good, hopefully, but also controversial in some ways. Some of the conversations that we've had

00:12:44.320 are on very controversial topics. And you're also going to be really encouraged by a lot of them,

00:12:49.940 I think, really educated on things that I hadn't thought about, maybe you hadn't thought about

00:12:54.880 before on a lot of them. And then we've got some fun Q&A, some serious, some lighthearted,

00:12:59.880 all that good stuff. And so for 12 weeks, you will be getting new content. And so as much as you can

00:13:05.340 listen to those, watch those, share those, that helps the show since we won't be talking about all of

00:13:10.140 the relevant new stuff. But I'm super excited to have that break, have that three-month break.

00:13:17.360 It's going to be really great. I'm in the midst of nesting, which is a terrible thing to do when

00:13:24.380 you're 36 weeks because my house is chaos right now. Instead of actually organizing, I'm into like

00:13:30.180 taking everything out stage before I figure out where it's all going to go, which is the most chaotic

00:13:35.380 stage to be in. Again, not a great stage to engage in when you have two young children and you're 36

00:13:42.940 weeks pregnant. But alas, it's just, it's some kind of biological inclination that we all have.

00:13:47.400 And I haven't satiated it at all the entire pregnancy. And now I'm into it and it's just chaos.

00:13:53.720 So we're going through a transition period in a lot of different ways in our family, all good stuff,

00:13:59.600 but kind of overwhelming. And a lot of you guys asked me like, how can we pray for you? Which is so

00:14:04.100 sweet. Thank you so much to those of you who message me and ask me, how are you doing? How can

00:14:09.120 I pray for you? I've just been asking friends to pray for peace and order, not just in our lives,

00:14:15.760 because there's going to be a level of chaos going from two children to three children and all of that,

00:14:21.500 everything that that entails. But peace and order in our hearts, in our minds, in how we act and how

00:14:29.120 we speak to each other, you know, in times of high stress, you and your spouse should remember that

00:14:35.180 you're on the same team, not adversaries. And so just prayers for that, for peace and for order in

00:14:40.300 our lives, obviously for a safe and a smooth birth and all of that. And so anyway, thank you guys so

00:14:48.560 much. That's my personal update. I'm sure that there's a lot more that I could share about life and

00:14:54.600 all that good stuff. But honestly, this pregnancy has gone by so quickly. It's gone by so quickly.

00:15:00.760 And being the third pregnancy, I'm not asking for, like, I'm not having some big baby shower or

00:15:05.860 anything like that. People at this point, I'm like, really, the only thing that you need is diapers.

00:15:10.200 And that's just a recommendation I'll give to you. New moms, you don't really need everything that

00:15:14.840 you think that you need before the baby comes. Do not stress yourself out. If you don't have the

00:15:19.040 nursery ready, if you don't have all the matching clothes, if the drawers aren't all organized by the time

00:15:23.600 the baby comes, I understand that feels good. That's totally great if you got that. If you don't,

00:15:29.060 that's okay too. Because all that baby needs for the first few weeks is you, get you some gray and

00:15:34.380 white onesies, some cheap stuff from Walmart, because you're probably going to throw them away

00:15:39.320 anyway because they're going to get stained. Diapers, wipes, you're good to go, girl. You are good to go.

00:15:45.480 I'll give you more updates if you guys want it. If you have any specific questions or maybe I know a lot

00:15:50.100 of you guys have asked tips for new moms, tips for pregnancy, things like that. I'm feeling almost

00:15:55.640 too pro level on pregnancy since this is number three. Now, I know those of you who have 10 kids

00:16:01.880 are laughing at me, but I feel like I almost know what I'm doing now. So I'll try to give you some

00:16:07.660 tips at some point if that's something that you guys are interested in. Okay. So if you've seen

00:16:23.180 the discourse on Twitter, people are talking about aliens and UFOs. So now I guess we don't call them

00:16:31.680 UFOs. We call them UAPs. The language is always changing. Kind of like how it went from Indian

00:16:38.060 to Native American to indigenous people. I'm sure it's going to change again at some point. We're

00:16:42.260 all trying to keep up with the language changes. It's not UFO anymore. We've heard from extraterrestrials

00:16:49.060 that that is extremely offensive. And so we have changed this UAP, Unidentified Aerial Phenomena.

00:16:57.700 Um, it's an issue of, they say, bipartisan concern, according to NBC, raise national security

00:17:05.260 questions. Some also accused the federal government of endeavoring to conceal key UFO related information

00:17:11.680 from the public, though they did not provide evidence to support those allegations. So right

00:17:17.580 now their congressional hearings or there were congressional hearings last week, um, asking members of

00:17:24.440 the intelligence community, U.S. intelligence community, what they know about these UFOs or UAPs,

00:17:32.300 a David Grush, who is a former U.S. intelligence official, told the panel that he is absolutely

00:17:37.580 certain that the federal government is in possession of UAPs. So this would be like flying objects. We do not

00:17:47.400 know where they come from. The federal government, I guess he says, has found these and is in possession

00:17:53.940 of them. He led Defense Department efforts to analyze reported UAP sightings and was informed of a

00:18:00.260 multi-decade Pentagon program that endeavored to collect and reconstruct crashed UAPs. Now that I

00:18:08.080 don't necessarily have a hard time believing. I think that there's a lot that our government does that we

00:18:12.960 do not know, that we will never know, that there could be flying objects or flying things that

00:18:18.640 we're not completely sure what they are. Sure. I can see that being a possibility.

00:18:25.840 Grush, who underscored that he is not personally, he has not personally spotted a UAP, told the panel

00:18:32.220 that he knows of multiple colleagues who are injured by UAPs. He also said he has interviewed

00:18:37.560 individuals who have recovered non-human biologics from crashed UAPs. So that's the headliner right

00:18:45.160 there. Okay. We've got video of him in this congressional hearing saying that they have

00:18:49.780 found non-human remains at these crash sites. If you believe we have crashed craft stated earlier,

00:18:57.040 do we have the bodies of the pilots who piloted this craft? As I've stated publicly already in my

00:19:02.820 News Nation interview, biologics came with some of these recoveries. Yeah.

00:19:06.720 Were they, I guess, human or non-human biologics? Non-human, and that was the assessment of people

00:19:15.360 with direct knowledge on the program I talked to that are currently still on the program.

00:19:19.200 And was this documentary evidence, this video, photos, eyewitness? Like, how would that be determined?

00:19:26.540 The specific documentation I would have to talk to you in a skiff about.

00:19:29.840 Oh, okay. Non-human remains. He can't fully talk about it. He doesn't, can't say what the

00:19:37.280 documentation is. It is nice to see Nancy Mace showing up to the job and talking about what's

00:19:43.200 actually on the table rather than what happened with her fiance that morning in bed, like she did

00:19:49.340 at the prayer breakfast last week, as I talked about on Instagram. Anyway, so non-human remains.

00:19:56.300 He has not seen these, I guess, but there's some maybe documentation that he won't even talk about.

00:20:04.300 He was asked by Representative Eric Burleson, a Republican from Missouri, to substantiate the

00:20:09.860 crashed UAP's claim. The former intelligence official said he could not divulge specific

00:20:14.280 details, once again, claiming the information was too sensitive to share with the public.

00:20:18.040 He did describe the nature of what he saw. I have to be very careful here, but what I personally

00:20:22.640 witnessed, myself and my wife, was very disturbing. So non-human remains of the pilots of these UAPs,

00:20:30.260 he says, were discovered. Then there was Ryan Graves at this congressional hearing. He's a former

00:20:35.080 Navy pilot. He told the panel that military pilots do not feel adequately briefed on UAPs,

00:20:41.000 which he said leaves them unprepared to respond to UAP encounters. All right, I could see that.

00:20:45.820 He claimed that commercial airline pilots have spotted UAPs too.

00:20:49.280 It just seems like if it were this mainstream that we would hear about it more. I'm not sure.

00:20:55.840 David Fravor, a former Navy commander, said he and three fellow military pilots spotted a white

00:21:01.960 tic-tac-shaped object in 2004. Okay, so tic-tac-shaped object. I'm guessing not tic-tac-sized object,

00:21:12.920 because that would have probably just been a tic-tac. In 2004, hovering below their jets in

00:21:19.720 just above the Pacific Ocean. As he descended to inspect the sighting, he claimed the unidentified

00:21:23.960 aircraft, which he said bore no visible rotors, wings or exhaust, began to ascend and approach his

00:21:29.680 fighter jet. He claimed that the UAP then vanished, only to reappear a few seconds later, but this time

00:21:35.480 it was spotted 60 miles away. Fravor told the committee that the technology he and his team

00:21:40.400 encountered defies logical explanation. The technology that we face is far superior to

00:21:45.060 anything that we had Fravor claimed, and there's nothing we can do about it. Nothing. Well, how do

00:21:51.160 we know, I guess, I mean, how do we know that there's nothing that we can do about it? It's very

00:21:55.500 strange. This is a very strange phenomenon. I'm not saying that I don't believe these people. I do

00:21:59.980 think that they are strange anecdotes. Why haven't we heard about this more? I mean, and if it's so

00:22:05.960 mainstream, if like commercial pilots and military members, former intelligence officers have all

00:22:10.480 seen this, why is it seen as this grand conspiracy theory? Why isn't it just something that's accepted

00:22:15.940 as fact? And why isn't there more documentation of it? That would be my question. According to the

00:22:21.180 Daily Wire, Susan Gao, not sure how to pronounce her last name, spokesperson for the Department of

00:22:26.220 Defense, insisted that its all-domain anomaly resolution office, which has been tasked with

00:22:32.080 investigating UFOs, has not discovered any verifiable information to substantiate claims

00:22:37.640 that any programs regarding the possession or reverse engineering of extraterrestrial materials

00:22:42.160 have existed in the past or exist currently. Okay, so that really didn't have to do necessarily

00:22:51.880 with the aliens, except for the comment by the guy that there were non-human remains found

00:22:56.460 with these UAPs. Now, non-human, that could mean a lot of things, I guess. That could mean animal.

00:23:03.520 I mean, maybe not a lot of things. I guess that's the only thing that it could mean,

00:23:07.760 but it doesn't necessarily mean that it was some sort of alien. So I believe that there could be

00:23:14.860 unidentified flying objects. I think that they're from other countries and that there's some kind of

00:23:21.220 spying devices. I wouldn't be surprised at all if China, Russia has this kind of capability and has

00:23:26.780 for a long time. Now, it would be really embarrassing if we weren't able to understand that technology

00:23:32.560 and match that technology ourselves, but that would be, I think, the logical explanation. Unless there

00:23:38.040 are people in the United States flying very sophisticated drones that somehow the U.S. intelligence

00:23:43.900 community doesn't know about. The question is, like, does this really matter? Does the existence

00:23:49.120 of these UFOs, UAPs, does the existence even of aliens, extraterrestrial life, like, do people

00:23:55.760 really care about that? Not really. According to NBC, people don't really seem to care. The news that

00:24:07.320 the government may be in possession of non-human biological matter and UFOs was met with surprising

00:24:11.840 apathy online. Surprising to whom? Who is that surprising to? So they give some examples of this,

00:24:20.540 some tweets saying, basically, I don't care. I don't know if any of these people are notable,

00:24:26.500 but they're just saying, look, I don't care. This is just a distraction. People posting memes of this

00:24:33.560 kind of stuff. It's just not really that big of a deal. And look, I tend to agree with that.

00:24:39.200 My question is, what am I supposed to do with this information? If there were aliens,

00:24:45.400 which I'll get into whether or not I even think that's a theological possibility,

00:24:50.200 if there are UAPs, what do I need to know about that? I don't need to know anything.

00:24:57.380 They're not going to call on me to give them intelligence on this or tell them what to do.

00:25:02.660 There are so many threats to our lives every day. Turbulence now is normal. Tumult is normal.

00:25:12.420 Unpredictability is now very predictable. We already have the threat of nuclear war. We're

00:25:18.720 already being run by a cakeistocracy. We already have a million things to deal with from just the

00:25:26.660 the stresses of our everyday lives, to rising crime, to war, to corruption, all this stuff.

00:25:35.540 They're already plaguing our lives and disturbing our peace. This is just one more thing. It's just

00:25:42.140 one more thing that could kill us, that could disturb us, that could conquer us. I just don't know what

00:25:49.960 I'm supposed to do with that information. Am I supposed to be more worried than I was before

00:25:55.700 because I'm already not very happy about the state of the world? Would it be the worst thing

00:26:01.740 if aliens came down and said, honestly, I didn't know that this could be messed up as badly as it is,

00:26:09.960 and I think we're just going to have to take over. That's not the worst outcome,

00:26:14.420 except for I don't believe in aliens. I'll get to that in a second.

00:26:19.000 And other people online seem to agree. I saw that Michael Knowles said,

00:26:25.260 how come China and Russia aren't holding urgent hearings on UFOs? And I thought that was an

00:26:29.980 interesting question. And so I was looking into it and I saw this tweet that has a lot of engagement

00:26:36.200 from Dr. Simon Goddick. I don't know who that is. He said, look at this map showing where UFOs have

00:26:42.540 been spotted all over the world. Why is the US lighting up like a Christmas tree? So basically what this

00:26:48.040 map shows and we can put it up on YouTube is that it's only the US and like England that has ever

00:26:54.720 spotted a UFO. I mean, as far as we know, maybe it's because the documentation, the reporting

00:26:59.720 mechanisms aren't as good in these other countries. But even looking at like Australia

00:27:05.660 and some of these other like European countries, like it's most people in the world don't say that

00:27:13.620 they have ever seen a UFO. I think it's a mostly American phenomenon because of Hollywood,

00:27:20.280 because of folklore, because of our distrusting government, because our government is so freaking

00:27:24.680 weird. Like I think that this is mostly an American thing. If this were really a phenomenon

00:27:30.040 everywhere, then I think that we would probably see more reports than we currently do. But it's always

00:27:36.020 like, no, we definitely saw Bigfoot outside of Branson. Like it's always something like that

00:27:42.140 with the conspiracy theories. Now, again, I'm not saying that it's impossible for there to be

00:27:46.900 UAPs. But this whole idea of extraterrestrial life, I think we're just like obsessed with that

00:27:53.240 possibility here. I think I personally think it's silly. I don't believe in the whole non-human

00:27:59.820 remain story. I simply don't. And again, I don't even think whether someone has a worldview or not,

00:28:08.420 or whether or not someone knows their worldview and what they think about human beings and other

00:28:12.900 creatures. I just don't think that most people care about aliens. I don't think that most people

00:28:17.040 think it's that big a video. So let me get into like, is it possible for aliens to be real from a

00:28:22.920 biblical perspective? Okay, so is it possible for there to be aliens? Well, it depends on what you

00:28:45.440 mean by aliens. Like, what do you mean? What do you mean by that? Is it just extraterrestrial life?

00:28:53.780 Well, of course, we believe in angels and demons. But do you believe in some like, non-human,

00:28:59.400 non-animal form somewhere out there that could live on another planet that has the ability to

00:29:07.640 rationalize that has a moral compass? If that's what you mean by alien, then the answer is no,

00:29:14.380 I don't believe in aliens because I don't see any room in scripture for some kind of creature

00:29:22.680 that is not described in the first couple chapters of Genesis that is made in the image of God,

00:29:29.720 but is not human. Because if you have the capacity to rationalize in reason and to have a moral will,

00:29:38.040 to have some kind of moral compass that can distinguish between right and wrong, that is

00:29:42.680 that is us being made in the image of God. And yet you are somehow not human. I do not see a

00:29:50.400 biblical category for that. I also just think it's extremely unlikely that in all of these many

00:29:57.240 years, I mean, most of the people who believe in aliens also believe that the earth has been around

00:30:01.440 for billions and billions of years. I have a hard time believing there hasn't been some more concrete

00:30:07.340 documentation of interactions between those creatures and us. And as much as we have explored

00:30:13.720 space, we haven't interacted with those beings, those creatures, we haven't seen more about them,

00:30:21.360 that they're just isolated to these very obscure and coincidentally non-documented cases of

00:30:27.480 interactions. I just find it very unlikely. But really, I think that if you just go to the creation

00:30:34.420 account and you think about the arc of redemption that God has laid out for us from Genesis to

00:30:42.320 Revelation and that still is ongoing today, you would have to fit these non-human but apparently

00:30:49.520 rational and civilization-building beings into that plan of redemption. And I just don't think we see

00:30:56.320 that. I think we see that man and man alone is made in God's image, that there is a distinction

00:31:02.500 between human beings and between animals and that there isn't some kind of in-between category.

00:31:08.980 Now, demons exist, angels exist. Obviously, throughout the Bible, there is documented interaction

00:31:15.060 between those groups of beings. And so is it possible that interactions that people have had have been

00:31:23.060 like an interaction with some kind of demon, an interaction with some kind of angel? Possibly.

00:31:29.600 I'm not sure about that or if they're just entirely made up. Here's what GotQuestions says. I love

00:31:37.580 GotQuestions.org. I think that they do a really good and thorough biblical job of answering these

00:31:42.400 kind of questions. And so they basically say that same thing. And so they talk about the creation

00:31:51.640 account, but then they also talk about the curse and redemption. And it says this,

00:31:56.220 If all of creation now suffers under the curse, any life apart from the earth would also suffer.

00:32:01.760 If, for the sake of argument, moral beings do exist on other planets, then they also suffer. And if not

00:32:07.160 now, then someday they will surely suffer when everything passes away with a great noise and

00:32:11.320 elements melt with fervent heat. If they had never sinned, then God would be unjust in punishing them.

00:32:16.400 But if they had sinned, then Christ could only die once. Then they are left in their sin, which would

00:32:25.920 also be contrary to the character of God. This leaves us with an unsolvable paradox, unless,

00:32:31.520 of course, there are no moral beings outside of the earth. And then what about non-moral or

00:32:39.820 non-sentient life forms on other planets? Could algae or even dogs and cats be present on an unknown

00:32:45.000 planet? Presumably so. Scientifically, I'm not sure about cats and dogs and other planets. Theologically,

00:32:51.680 probably so, because Jesus didn't die for the souls of animals, because animals don't have souls.

00:32:58.160 That's right. Animals, your pets, don't go to heaven or hell. That's another story.

00:33:04.240 In conclusion, the Bible gives us no reason to believe that there is life elsewhere in the

00:33:07.980 universe. In fact, the Bible gives us several key reasons why there cannot be. Yes, there are many

00:33:12.220 strange and unexplainable things that take place. There is no reason, though, to attribute these

00:33:15.620 phenomena to aliens. If there is a discernible cause to these supposed events, it is likely to be

00:33:20.760 spiritual and, more specifically, demonic in origin. And yes, I would agree with that, that it's more

00:33:28.840 likely to be demonic than angelic in origin. Yeah. So, anyway. So, that's basically what I think

00:33:38.720 about it. I don't think that aliens, like, gray people, green people are real. Like, in the age of

00:33:44.460 the iPhone, if interactions really happened, then someone would take a TikTok of it. Like, it wouldn't

00:33:52.440 be that it's so mysterious and so, you know, and so obscure and so hidden at this point. I just don't

00:34:02.580 believe that. And obviously, I just don't believe that they're real. I don't think that there's a

00:34:06.880 biblical category for them, or a scientific category, but I don't think there's a biblical

00:34:10.960 category for any kind of sentient, moral, reasoning, rational being that is not human.

00:34:18.000 And that's how I feel about a lot of these conspiracy theories, by the way, that deal with

00:34:21.720 some kind of non-human, non-animal creature. Okay, you're going to have to come up with another

00:34:26.480 category, and I need to know how that fits into the redemption arc. Okay, Brie, what do you think

00:34:32.480 about, what do you think about aliens? Do you think that they are legit? You know, here's

00:34:39.180 the thing. I so wish that I did, because I feel like it would be, I feel like the conspiracies

00:34:46.520 are so much fun, but I just genuinely don't. I don't think that they're real. Would you care

00:34:52.360 if someone like, yeah, if someone showed you a picture and was like, we found out that they

00:34:58.600 do live on Mars? Theological qualms aside. Probably, I wouldn't care unless they were

00:35:05.920 trying to, like, unless they were trying to come here, I guess, or trying to, I don't,

00:35:10.560 yeah, yeah, I just, I don't know. I also, I really think a lot of these, like, encounters

00:35:16.780 that people have are demonic and spiritual in nature, and there's even something called

00:35:23.460 the alien abduction theory, where in the end times, like, the explanation for why people,

00:35:30.600 like, disappear or why terrible things are happening or the Antichrist himself is, like,

00:35:38.360 in the form of an alien, and that's what they tell us. Interesting. So, I don't know the specifics

00:35:43.580 of that, but I thought that was interesting. That is interesting. Like, the rapture or just?

00:35:49.400 I think that's one theory. Another is that, like, there are extraterrestrial beings. That's what

00:35:57.480 they're going to be called, but they're really, like, just spiritual beings. Yeah. That, you know,

00:36:01.940 come and wreak havoc here. So. Yeah. I'm just, like, not really interested. I think, I'm not really

00:36:08.600 interested in, in the conversation, just because I know for a fact that they're not real, but also,

00:36:15.980 I don't know. If, I don't know. Again, like, what do I, what am I supposed to do? What does it mean

00:36:21.980 to me? Yeah. What, what am I supposed to do with that information? I do agree with that. I do agree

00:36:25.940 with that. And you kind of just, there's so many questions before I am made to care, you know? Yeah.

00:36:32.060 Are they hostile? Do they want to kill me? Or does it matter? Yeah. I mean, there are already,

00:36:38.180 like, I'm much more scared of robots. Yeah. Which are real. Yeah. And powerful. I agree. The videos

00:36:44.240 that I've seen. And so, like, and the fact, okay, so here's the thing, is that in order to believe

00:36:52.220 in aliens and that the aliens are responsible for the UAPs and UFOs, you do have to believe that

00:36:58.260 they're rational creatures because they've created this insane technology that is far beyond anything

00:37:03.820 that we've created. And apparently, their, like, intellect, their ability, because animals can't

00:37:10.500 create. They can't create like that. There's no creature that can create. You have to be a rational,

00:37:15.300 sentient being in order to create something like a flying saucer or whatever it is. And so, again,

00:37:21.540 for the Christian, you have to ask, okay, well, what category of creature is that then? If it's

00:37:25.820 rational, it's sentient, it can create. If it's created that, it's probably created civilization

00:37:30.600 and some kind of hierarchy and order and all of that. Where does that fall in to the fall? Where

00:37:37.800 does that fall into redemption? And I don't think we see even at all the biblical possibility that

00:37:42.720 there is like a parallel universe with a parallel savior and all that. Then you're just getting into

00:37:48.480 craziness. Right. And also, just the practicality of it. You're so right. Why has no one just filmed

00:37:55.700 something on an iPhone? Yeah. There's a family that saw aliens in their backyard, non-humans in their

00:38:02.880 backyard in a UFO. And they've just gone silent. No one took a video. No one took a photo. They just

00:38:09.240 said it happened. And now they've just like, kind of, they're not talking about it anymore. Yeah.

00:38:14.260 You know, sometimes I see aircrafts in the sky that I'm like, that looks weird. Yeah. You know?

00:38:19.820 Yeah, sure. But then I just don't really think about it anymore. Yeah. So, I don't know,

00:38:24.960 but I remember seeing signs in sixth grade. Did you see signs? Oh, it was so scary. Just the one

00:38:31.100 shot of the alien. Oh, yeah. I know. I wasn't allowed to see it, but I went to one of my friend's

00:38:36.280 house, houses. I'm still friends with her today. It was the house that you would go to if you wanted

00:38:40.680 to watch movies that your parents wouldn't let you watch because her parents would. We all had one.

00:38:45.680 And yeah, we watched signs and I regretted it. And I felt so bad. I told my parents that I watched it

00:38:52.020 because I was having nightmares. I was so scared. Yeah. I know that gave me nightmares too.

00:38:59.080 Yeah. But it's okay, little Allie. They're not real. But that's probably why we have America has

00:39:05.420 all these UFO sightings. Totally. It's because of that. Yeah. Because we have Hollywood.

00:39:11.740 Yeah, for sure. And we're on, everyone's on a spiritual journey. They want something that's

00:39:16.240 like higher than them, but something that's not going to tell them what to do, you know?

00:39:21.140 Well, and people put things in terms that they know. And I think in our media, we talk about this

00:39:27.000 a lot more than certain other, well, I guess non-Western countries do. Yeah. And so I'm like,

00:39:33.580 of course, there are more people who like report UFO sightings because that's what they would call

00:39:38.060 something like weird that they might categorize as that. Whereas in another country, they wouldn't

00:39:45.140 call it that. So. We have a lot of drugs in our country too. Yeah. Also that. We have a lot of

00:39:50.600 drugs. So that can't be discounted. So anyway. Yeah. So I was reading some of your theory though.

00:39:59.540 Some people do believe that the aliens are part of the end times. But again, I would say that that is

00:40:03.480 demonic. It's funny how many people believe in aliens who probably think the idea of God is like

00:40:08.800 so stupid. You know, who those people on Twitter who like respond to Christians being like, oh,

00:40:15.260 you're sky daddy. How could you believe that? Who would never believe in angels and demons,

00:40:20.860 but are like, I don't know. Maybe aliens are, maybe there is a parallel universe. Maybe the world

00:40:28.020 did start from nothing billions of years ago. Yeah. Yeah. And your disbelief.

00:40:33.480 Okay. I cannot let this story go. I can't let it go. So I just, I want to quickly go through it

00:40:50.040 because I don't want this to be a mega long episode, but I just want to not rehash, but put

00:40:56.620 a fine point on this Florida curriculum story. Last week we talked about Kamala Harris and a bunch

00:41:03.400 of other progressives in the media hating on Florida for their new set of social studies

00:41:08.600 standards, which is going to be available to lots of students, but including middle school students.

00:41:14.620 And part of that social studies curriculum includes curriculum about slavery, also the Holocaust,

00:41:20.140 a bunch of different things, but in particular about slavery. And there are all kinds of subjects,

00:41:26.320 all kinds of lessons that the students are required to learn with these new social studies

00:41:31.080 requirements when it comes to slavery, uh, how slavery started its history, not just in America,

00:41:37.460 but throughout the world, how these African slaves were sold by Africans, uh, to America and to

00:41:45.120 Westerners. Um, and how they're all different kinds of people have been enslaved throughout history,

00:41:51.420 the horrors specifically of American slavery and the impact of black Americans on American history,

00:41:58.580 particularly, uh, particularly, uh, Florida history. So all kinds of, I think really important

00:42:04.080 information. And if anyone reads the 216 page document, which is available online, summarizing

00:42:10.160 the social studies curriculum, you will see that this appears to be at least from the summary that we

00:42:16.840 have extremely objective and extremely thorough looking at all different parts of slavery and black

00:42:22.960 history, the reconstruction era, Jim Crow, and doesn't mince words about the injustice that this

00:42:29.200 was the importance of abolition, civil rights and all of that. And so there is one line though,

00:42:34.460 that has become very controversial. One line in this 216 page document, which has been like a lightning

00:42:41.760 rod. It has taken over headlines. Kamala Harris did an emergency speech on it, which we played last week

00:42:48.180 on the episode. And this one line says this examined the various duties and trades performed by slaves,

00:42:54.500 e.g. agricultural work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing,

00:42:58.680 transportation. Clarification one on this particular lesson, instruction includes how slaves develop

00:43:04.220 skills, which in some instances could be applied for their personal benefit. So what are people saying?

00:43:10.940 Everyone is saying, not everyone, but most people on the left, including Kamala Harris are saying

00:43:16.360 that, oh, this is saying slavery was beneficial. Oh, this is trying to justify slavery. This is

00:43:21.480 talking about how we should be grateful for slavery. This is saying, uh, that actually white supremacy is

00:43:26.980 okay. And people should be thankful for slavery and slavery was actually great. Like that's how people

00:43:32.840 are running with this, with this one single line saying that some slaves developed skills, which

00:43:38.760 benefited them, which they used for their personal benefit. From that, people are deducing that this

00:43:46.160 curriculum, uh, encourages people to think of chattel slavery in a positive light. And as I said last

00:43:52.840 week, that is completely ridiculous. That is not at all what the line said. That is not at all what

00:43:57.800 the line implies. And again, if you look at it in context, there is no way that you could deduce that.

00:44:02.820 I have to say, I would have to conclude, like, if you're trying to say that, if you're trying to say

00:44:07.440 that this line justifies or puts a silver lining in slavery, that either you are a bad actor with bad

00:44:13.600 intentions or you're ignorant, you really just don't know. Now that's not to say you can't have

00:44:20.280 a differing legitimate opinion, but I have not yet heard a differing legitimate opinion that explains

00:44:26.880 why logically this, this line is wrong and bad and justifies slavery. Every single person that opposes

00:44:34.880 this curriculum based on this line has something in common. And that is that they're adding things that

00:44:40.460 are not there. They say things that are simply not in the curriculum. And let me give you some

00:44:46.560 examples for that. So there are several prominent black Republicans who have come out against this

00:44:52.400 curriculum, who have felt the need for some reason to issue a statement about it. Now, let me tell you

00:44:57.860 something that these black Republicans have in common. Um, it's not that they're black Republicans.

00:45:02.700 That's not, I think the most important part is that they've all endorsed Donald Trump. All of these people

00:45:08.200 that I'm about to list who have come out attacking Ron DeSantis specifically for this curriculum,

00:45:13.140 calling it racist have also all endorsed Donald Trump. Make of that what you will. So this is

00:45:20.220 Wesley Hunt, a Republican from Texas. He says, as the direct descendant of a slave, I have a hard time

00:45:24.900 understanding Governor DeSantis' position that transferable skills learned in bondage are somehow

00:45:30.560 a net benefit. That's what he says. Um, and now John James says this. I really liked John James, man.

00:45:41.720 He says, um, Ron DeSantis, nothing about that 400 years of evil was a net benefit. He puts in quotes,

00:45:51.440 net benefit to my ancestors, my brother in Christ. If you find yourself in a deep hole, put the shovel down.

00:45:58.320 You are now so far from the party of Lincoln that your ed board is rewriting history and you're

00:46:03.280 personally attacking conservatives like Tim Scott and Byron Donalds, uh, on the topic of slavery.

00:46:09.040 You've gone too far. Stop. No, you stop. You're lying. You are lying. Are you intentionally lying

00:46:16.160 because you're just a sketchy politician like the rest of them? And you convinced us that you're this

00:46:20.280 strong, honest, a man of integrity, this man of Christ that so many of us conservatives really

00:46:26.620 supported or is it because you don't know either way, this is an unacceptable tweet. You should

00:46:31.180 absolutely delete it. And then you should apologize, but you won't because you endorsed

00:46:35.900 Donald Trump. So it's not a coincidence to me that both John James and Wesley Hunt who have endorsed

00:46:41.260 Donald Trump use the same phrase net benefit, net benefit. Oh, these skills were not, did not make

00:46:48.080 slave, uh, slavery a net benefit. No one said net benefit. No one said it. If DeSantis didn't say it,

00:46:55.560 the curriculum doesn't say it like that would be, that would be one thing. If this curriculum said

00:47:01.000 that slavery was a net benefit because of the skills learned, that would be a problem. That's

00:47:06.960 saying there is more good than bad when it came to slavery because of these skills that were, uh,

00:47:11.620 learned by these slaves. That's not what anyone said, but apparently the talking points went out

00:47:16.960 to some of these black Republicans and who endorsed Donald Trump and they decided to all use the same

00:47:23.760 language or at least two of them decided to use the same language. And John James had the audacity

00:47:29.060 to put net benefit in quotes when that is not a quotation. So where did that come from?

00:47:35.340 What email did you get? What text did you get? What phone call did you get? Who gave that talking

00:47:40.860 point, that phrase net benefit, which just happens to appear in both of these tweets of people who are

00:47:46.800 for, uh, Donald Trump and I guess against Ron DeSantis. There is nothing in this curriculum

00:47:54.760 whatsoever that implies that slavery was a net benefit or a blessing or that there was a silver

00:48:01.360 lining to it. Instead, what it clearly implies, if you read the entire context is that slaves through

00:48:07.860 their own resilience and industriousness used some of the skills that they learned while slaves to then

00:48:14.900 benefit themselves and their families, especially once freed. And I'm going to give you some examples

00:48:19.640 of that in just a second, but it's not just them. Uh, it's also, uh, Byron Donalds, who is another

00:48:26.780 Republican representative. He said, uh, what's crazy to me is I express support for the vast majority of

00:48:32.540 the, oh, he's from Florida, uh, the new African-American history standards and happened to oppose one

00:48:36.920 sentence that seemed to dignify the skills gained by slaves as a result of their enslavement. Anyone who

00:48:42.880 can't accurately interpret what I said is disingenuous and is desperately attempting to

00:48:46.600 score political points. No, I think that you are doing that. Just another reason why I'm proud to

00:48:53.100 have been endorsed or to have endorsed president Donald J. Trump. Okay. Well, you just kind of

00:48:58.420 give it away. Um, you just kind of give it away. And so, because he criticized, uh, oh, he said this,

00:49:07.900 I, I, I, I missed this, what he actually said. The new African-American standards in Florida are good,

00:49:12.800 robust, and accurate. That being said, the attempt to feature the personal benefits of slavery is wrong.

00:49:18.080 It needs to be adjusted. That obviously wasn't the goal. And I have faith that Florida DOE will correct

00:49:22.660 this, which is not a disrespectful critique. He is totally allowed to have that critique. He can totally

00:49:27.200 put it out there, but again, that's not what the curriculum says. He has a right to have that opinion.

00:49:31.740 That's probably like the most respectable opposition that I've seen to it, but I still think that it is

00:49:36.960 wrong. And then I went back and forth, uh, with someone named Javon Price, who used to work for

00:49:44.680 Byron Donalds and who was saying the same thing. Oh, the personal benefit thing. That's so bad. That's

00:49:49.820 so wrong. We absolutely shouldn't have that. And I, uh, he responded to something that I said,

00:49:56.860 I think about, uh, the first guy that I talked about. And he said, so I guess Byron Donalds,

00:50:03.040 Jack Brewer, Tim Scott, John James, Wesley Hunt, myself, and others are all wrong because

00:50:06.960 you know our history better than we do. Got it. Just to make, just had to make sure

00:50:11.400 conserve Malin. That's me. That's the hill you're willing to die on. And I said, yes,

00:50:16.020 you're all wrong. I don't care the color of your skin. You're wrong to say that the curriculum

00:50:22.260 implies personal benefit. It doesn't, it doesn't. That's not what it says. I know what you guys are

00:50:29.200 doing. You guys are trying to go after Ron DeSantis, which, okay, you can, but don't lie.

00:50:34.540 Don't lie. Don't lie. You know that this is the exact language, by the way, almost the exact

00:50:40.220 language from the, uh, AP advanced placement, African history requirements that says this,

00:50:47.920 in addition to agricultural work, enslaved people learned specialized trades and worked

00:50:52.060 as painters, carpenters, tailors, musicians, and healers in the North and South. Once free,

00:50:57.280 uh, it actually says American Americans, which is a typo. African Americans use these skills to

00:51:02.860 provide for themselves and others. It's the same thing. It's the same exact thing. And these are

00:51:10.280 the exact standards that, by the way, just a few months ago, back in February, the liberal media,

00:51:15.000 they were all saying, oh my gosh, why won't Florida just adopt the AP standards? Because Florida

00:51:19.580 rejected the AP standards for their own standards, which they've now come up with. And outlets like

00:51:24.560 Politico said, what's really in the AP African American studies class that DeSantis rejected?

00:51:30.740 A close look at the course reveals just the sort of interdisciplinary rigor students need

00:51:37.040 to succeed. So Politico, New York Times, all of these other liberal outlets were so sad that

00:51:44.200 Florida wasn't adopting the AP standards, which say the exact same thing. So yes, I think that the

00:51:51.060 people are either that are opposing this are either being manipulative or they just don't know.

00:51:57.480 Because I haven't heard a good argument about why this line is wrong, why this line is bad.

00:52:05.100 And a lot of people have presented, uh, what Dr. Allen, who Dr. William Allen, he is one of the

00:52:11.060 members who served on Florida's African American history standards work group. A lot of people have

00:52:15.880 quoted him and what he said, because he's done several interviews saying, look, we never said that

00:52:21.820 slavery was good. We never said that it's something that we should be grateful for. Obviously it was

00:52:26.240 abject evil. Obviously it was wickedness. Obviously it was oppression. Obviously it is beyond even our

00:52:32.540 comprehension, how human beings could do that to another human being, how these people were subjugated

00:52:37.920 and stolen and trampled on. Of course, no one ever said that it wasn't awful. Here's, here's what he

00:52:45.680 said. According to Fox News, he said, it was never said that slavery was beneficial to Africans. What was

00:52:51.820 said? And anyone who reads this will see this with clarity is the case that Africans proved

00:52:57.080 resourceful, resilient, and adaptive, and were able to develop skills and aptitudes, which served to

00:53:02.420 their benefit, both while enslaved and after enslavement. He says he's black himself. He says,

00:53:07.980 my great grandfather is someone who came from the islands and who was enslaved here and whose own

00:53:12.700 resourcefulness, resilience, and adaptiveness was certainly instrumental in producing for his family,

00:53:17.600 his descendants, the ability to prosper here in this country. Frances Presley Rice, who co-founded a

00:53:24.760 nonprofit organization to raise awareness about the roles African-Americans have played in America's

00:53:29.420 history. She was also a part of this work group. She said this, the intent of this particular benchmark

00:53:33.960 clarification is to show that some slaves developed highly specialized trades from which they benefited.

00:53:39.580 This is factual and well-documented. Florida students deserve to learn how slaves took advantage of

00:53:44.980 whatever circumstances they were in to benefit themselves in the community of African descendants.

00:53:50.340 This should be so non-controversial. And in a world where we actually cared about the truth,

00:53:55.100 and we weren't so hypersensitive slash political and partisan, and turned everything into a partisan

00:54:03.620 debate, everything about left versus right, everything about Donald Trump versus DeSantis,

00:54:08.400 we would all be able to see this. That in context, there is absolutely nothing wrong with this line,

00:54:13.600 that it is factually true. And that's the only question. And I've seen people say this.

00:54:18.280 Sure, it might be true, but why should we say it? Because it's true. Because it's true. What are you

00:54:26.200 talking about? Yes, we should look at slaves who developed skills and then despite the oppression

00:54:33.400 that they suffered, the injustice that they suffered, used those skills to benefit themselves and their

00:54:37.840 family? Wow, that is all to the glory of God. As evil as slavery was, how amazing is it that these

00:54:44.420 individuals were so industrious and so hardworking, overcame obstacles that none of us, black or white,

00:54:51.120 today can ever imagine? Like, yes, of course students should learn that.

00:54:56.220 Like, surely you're not falling into, on the right, this idea of perpetual victimhood, right?

00:55:02.360 Like, you're not falling into this CRT-shaped world in which everything is split in these nice,

00:55:08.240 easy, black and white categories of oppressor versus oppressed and oppressor versus victim, right?

00:55:13.840 I saw this professing Christian say to me, you can't bring up the story of Joseph and being enslaved and

00:55:21.820 how God actually used that horrible evil to then benefit Israel. You can't use that because

00:55:29.640 Joseph spoke to his own experience of enslavers and the oppressors didn't get to write that for him.

00:55:36.000 There's no one today who oppressed slaves, okay? There was no oppressor that wrote this curriculum,

00:55:43.860 all right? And so again, if you're falling into that mentality, whether you know it or not,

00:55:47.640 that is a progressive left-wing race-baiting mentality, okay? I have not heard yet the good

00:55:53.280 case, the logical case, the factual case for why this line should be changed. And in fact,

00:55:57.920 just to close this out, I'm going to tell you three very quick stories about slaves who did exactly

00:56:06.440 what this curriculum is talking about to exemplify why this curriculum is so important or why this part

00:56:12.140 of the curriculum I think is so important. It's absolutely factual and why people are absolutely

00:56:16.320 wrong to condemn it as racist or white supremacist or gaslighting about slavery or anything absolutely

00:56:22.220 ridiculous like that. Okay, so let me just give you, let me give you three examples of, I think,

00:56:40.700 people that would probably be included in this part of the curriculum. And you tell me if you think that we

00:56:45.660 should be learning about this, if students should be learning about these people. The first was

00:56:50.360 William Ellison, who has a very unique story. I'm not saying that this is the majority of slaves. It's

00:56:55.540 a very unique story. He was a slave who was apprenticed at age 10 to a cotton gin maker. He was hired out by

00:57:02.140 his master to this cotton gin maker. And his master, of course, being his master, required Ellison to send

00:57:10.760 him a portion, but not all of his earnings. So with his leftover earnings, what he had saved up,

00:57:16.180 he bought his freedom from his master. He then became very, very successful cotton gin maker. He

00:57:21.660 also learned how to blacksmith. He became a successful blacksmither. He owned land in South Carolina. At the

00:57:27.380 time of his death, William Ellison owned 63 slaves. He was also able to pass down property, possessions,

00:57:34.340 wealth to his posterity, to his children. He was able to buy the freedom of his children using the

00:57:43.800 money that he earned by being a cotton gin maker, which is a skill that he earned while enslaved.

00:57:50.760 So tell me whether or not it is accurate to say that he benefited from skills that he learned as a

00:57:57.660 slave. Does that mean his slavery was okay or justified or a blessing in any way? No.

00:58:04.520 That's not to say that it was good. That is to say, wow, this was an industrious, smart,

00:58:09.380 entrepreneurial, hardworking person that overcame outstanding odds to provide for himself and his

00:58:15.880 family. Wow. That's not controversial, but that's exactly what they're talking about in this curriculum.

00:58:21.600 And then we have, of course, Frederick Douglass. Frederick Douglass, born into slavery,

00:58:25.180 separated from his mother as an infant, which was an atrocious practice that was very common during

00:58:29.820 slavery, separated from his grandparents later. If you read his autobiography or if you read his

00:58:37.900 descriptions of his upbringing, they're gut-wrenching, like poverty, suffering, torture, like beyond what

00:58:45.980 any of us can even understand. But he was taught the alphabet by his master's wife in Baltimore at the

00:58:53.120 age of 12, Sophia Auld. Now she eventually realized, oh, shouldn't have done that. This is incompatible

00:58:58.640 with keeping him basically a dumb slave, trying to prevent him from reading. But at that point,

00:59:03.440 like she had already lit the fire. He already knew the alphabet. So he was able to teach himself how to

00:59:08.440 read and write. He obviously became a prolific speaker, a prolific writer, and was a dominant leader

00:59:16.160 of previously enslaved Black people in America. Had tremendous influence and still does today.

00:59:24.560 I mean, loved the Constitution, loved education, advocated for education and for honoring the

00:59:32.100 Constitution among African Americans. Just an amazing person. But even though his master decided later to not

00:59:41.360 allow him to learn how to read, he learned a skill during slavery, which later went to benefit him,

00:59:49.340 even though his slavery was oppressive and wrong. And then you have Phyllis Wheatley. She's extremely

00:59:54.780 controversial if you read what she wrote. I mean, even including this poem, I would guess is not allowed

01:00:03.160 by a lot of these people criticizing this curriculum. She was kidnapped from Africa. She was sold to a wealthy

01:00:08.480 family in Boston. The children of her master taught her to read and write. She quickly proved herself to

01:00:13.940 be an incredible poet. It was rare because the Wheatley family that owned her strongly encouraged her

01:00:20.340 education, helped her seek opportunities to become a published poet. And here is one of her poems. This

01:00:26.740 is Phyllis Wheatley, not me. Okay, this is On Being Brought from Africa to America. She says this,

01:00:32.980 "'Twas mercy brought me from my pagan land, taught my benighted soul to understand that there is a God

01:00:43.180 and there's a Savior too. Once I redemption neither sought nor knew. Some view our sable race with

01:00:51.400 scornful eye. Their color is a diabolic dye. Remember Christians, Negroes, black as cane, may be refined,

01:00:59.040 and joined the angelic train.'" So there is something there for those that were rightly

01:01:05.580 considered white supremacists who hated her race saying, hey, we're also made in the image of God

01:01:10.740 and God can save our souls too. And then she also says that she's actually like, it was a merciful

01:01:16.440 thing for her to be taken, she says, from her pagan land to America and learning the gospel. Whoa,

01:01:23.140 are you even allowed to read a poem like that nowadays? I think a lot of these critics would say no.

01:01:29.160 But did she gain a skill while enslaved that later went on to benefit her? Yes or no?

01:01:35.120 Yes or no? Despite the oppression and the wrongness of her enslavement. And then of course,

01:01:40.720 I guess very controversial to all of these people is Up From Slavery by Booker T. Washington,

01:01:45.600 his autobiography. He was born in slavery, slaves emancipated when he was a child. He worked in the

01:01:50.960 mines, taught himself to read, became a dominant leader among black Americans and emancipated slaves.

01:01:55.260 In his book, he talks about the harsh, oppressive realities of slavery. Slaves were treated like

01:02:00.640 dogs, if that. But he gives a roadmap and inspiration for resilience and self-sufficiency

01:02:06.500 through education and letting go of bitterness. He says this,

01:02:09.880 When we rid ourselves of prejudice and racial feeling and look facts in the face, we must

01:02:16.460 acknowledge that, notwithstanding the cruelty and moral wrong of slavery, the 10 million Negroes

01:02:22.220 inhabiting this country who themselves or whose ancestors went through the school of American

01:02:27.400 slavery are in a stronger and more hopeful condition, materially, intellectually, morally,

01:02:33.060 and religiously, than is true of an equal number of black people in any other portion of the globe.

01:02:41.500 Whoa. That almost sounds like he's saying there was a benefit.

01:02:47.480 I have begun everything, he says, this is a different quote, with the idea that I could succeed.

01:02:54.200 And I never had much patience with the multitudes of people who are always ready to explain why one

01:03:00.100 cannot succeed. I mean, that is just as relevant today as it was back then. There are a lot of

01:03:07.480 people in power, a lot of politicians who make a lot of money and get a lot of votes by explaining why

01:03:12.800 certain classes of people absolutely cannot succeed, no matter how hard they try. And so you can't tell

01:03:18.360 heroic stories of industriousness, overcoming odds, overcoming obstacles of people who were literally

01:03:24.420 slaves at one point, because that kind of discounts the argument that today there are too many

01:03:28.980 obstacles and too much oppression for black people to overcome and become successful. I mean, that's

01:03:34.220 part of what this is. I don't think the people on the right criticizing this curriculum think that

01:03:39.720 they have that motivation. But of course, it has the same end result. So you can take it up,

01:03:45.620 not with me, who I know all of these people are just going to say, oh, you're racist, whatever. I don't

01:03:50.460 care. You can take it up with Booker T. Washington. You can take it up with Phyllis Wheatley. You can take it up

01:03:55.040 with Frederick Douglass. You can take it up with Dr. Allen. You can take it up with the black scholars

01:04:00.420 that helped write this curriculum. You can take it up with them. You can take it up with history. You

01:04:03.860 can take it up with facts. You can take it up with logic. You can take it up from God's Word,

01:04:07.780 with God's Word, that clearly says that even through wickedness, which chattel slavery is,

01:04:16.100 even through oppression, which chattel slavery is, even through evil, abject evil, suffering beyond

01:04:21.760 compare. In so many cases, just like beyond what we can even imagine, even in that, God can work

01:04:31.480 things together for good. It doesn't justify it. It doesn't make it right. It doesn't add a silver

01:04:39.200 lining. It is what it is. So you can take it up with all those people. You can take it up with the

01:04:44.960 Bible. If you have a problem with this line in the curriculum, you're going to have to build a

01:04:48.800 better case than any that I've seen online thus far. Oh, that's been bothering me. It's been

01:04:54.680 bothering me so much. So many, like, I think, well-meaning and otherwise, like, very smart,

01:04:58.840 conservative Christians falling for this, this, I don't even know, stupidity, propaganda,

01:05:05.580 whatever you want to call it. All right. That was a long episode, but I had to. There's going to be a

01:05:09.220 lot that I have to say because I'm, like, cramming everything I want to say into, like, two weeks of

01:05:13.420 episodes now at this point. So these are probably going to be some longer episodes. We've got an

01:05:18.380 amazing interview coming up tomorrow, so don't miss out on that. And then a lot of other things

01:05:22.860 that we have to say for the next two weeks. Send me ideas for what you want us to talk about. If

01:05:27.200 you've got an idea that you want me to comment on. All right. That's all we have time for today.

01:05:32.300 We will see you back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - July 31, 2023

Ep 847 ｜ Are Aliens Just Demons？

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