00:24:31.840I'm not too familiar with it, but we're doing it right now.
00:24:34.520And essentially you just give the appeals court all the stuff from a family court and then they go over all of it and you have to present a case of why you think they wrote case law or, you know, they got it wrong on the facts and evidence, things like that.
00:24:51.540And you have to present that and they go through everything and then make a decision.
00:24:56.020And what do your attorneys think about the media coverage of this?
00:25:08.980And I, I mean, I think that's the only thing that you can do.
00:25:12.400It's obviously in your interest and in the interest of your son.
00:25:15.120And I'm sure that there's some concern with just the location of the case being California.
00:25:21.780I mean, you know, AB 957 cleared the state Senate Judiciary Committee instructs family court judges to award custody and visitation rights based in part on a parent's affirmation of the child's so-called gender identity.
00:25:38.920You actually spoke to the California Senate Judiciary hearing earlier this month about that, or I guess last month now about that.
00:25:49.040So tell us about that and any of your concerns involving that.
00:26:19.860I was there that day and thousands of people were there, including people that would say I'm a leftist progressive Democrat from San Francisco and I'm a, I oppose this bill.
00:26:29.860So countless people were against it and it's just horrifying to think that the government would want to put into law something like that.
00:26:39.200I actually had a conversation with the, the author of the bill, Wilson.
00:26:43.300We spoke for like seven or eight minutes, which was very kind of her to take the time.
00:26:47.480And she was actually very polite and nice to me.
00:26:49.720And what did you have the opportunity to say to her?
00:26:52.400You know, I asked her, I told her my concerns, you know, and she's, she said, interestingly, that she thinks the bill will help me because, you know, my son says he's a boy.
00:27:01.100So if she says he's non-binary and she's not affirming him and I am, which if you believed the, the, the leftist premise is, is that your kid could be non-binary because they should be able to choose their own gender.
00:27:23.000However, if you believe that, and that's your premise, then when your kids start saying over and over that he's a boy, he's made that decision.
00:27:31.040So shouldn't you respect that decision as opposed to continue to say he's non-binary?
00:27:39.260If it's really about self-identity and expressing your true authentic self, then you should affirm it and you should simply agree and not argue when your boy says that he's a boy.
00:27:52.240It's interesting how it doesn't always go that way.
00:28:58.360the child's overall health and well-being, which I think, you know, it's gender identity and gender expression.
00:29:06.620Obviously, I don't believe that gender and sex are separate categories at all, but obviously it's very subjective and up to interpretation.
00:29:13.700And when you're talking about a child, like a child is so malleable and will in some cases say whatever their parent wants them to say.
00:29:21.780Like there's just no way of really verifying, verifying all of this.
00:29:27.380So it has the bill passed in California yet?
00:29:48.700So until then, you still get him for half of the week and you're just doing everything that you possibly can to affirm his confidence in who he is as a boy.
00:30:07.060What do y'all do when you're spending time together typically?
00:30:09.900We do hockey and baseball and football and we sing songs and we wrestle each other and we do fireworks and we go for scooter rides and bike rides and we go swimming.