Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 852 ｜ Vivek Ramaswamy： Can a Non-Christian Champion Christian Values？

00:00:00.680 Vivek Ramaswamy is here today to talk about the issues that matter. He is a Republican

00:00:07.300 presidential candidate polling in third right now, and we've got him here to talk about things

00:00:12.320 like abortion and gender, all those controversial topics I know you really care about. But first,

00:00:17.240 we are going to analyze some data published by The Hill that shows that while young women are

00:00:24.580 getting more liberal, young men may actually be getting more conservative. Why is this,

00:00:29.420 and what does this mean? And also, we've got a great example of a liberal woman seeing the

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00:03:05.540 Code Allie. Hey, guys. Welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone's having a wonderful

00:03:20.140 week so far. Okay, we've got some stuff to cover. And really, right until the music started playing,

00:03:26.620 I was still trying to debate exactly what we are going to discuss today. There are a few things that

00:03:33.000 have been floating around on Twitter that I wanted to make sure that I got into. One is high school

00:03:38.700 boys trending conservative while high school girls are contributing or are leaning liberal. And this is

00:03:48.020 a growing demographic of liberal women. And it is in stark contrast to their male counterparts. And

00:03:55.820 what exactly does that mean? And then I wanted to react to this clip that's going around. It's going

00:04:01.100 viral on Twitter about this woman who is complaining about living in San Francisco. Despite being a liberal

00:04:06.700 influencer herself, there seems to be some kind of disconnect. So how should we react to that kind of

00:04:14.260 response to the crimes that a lot of these people who are complaining are actually voting for? Let's get

00:04:21.080 into the high school boys trending conservative first. And then after we talk about these stories, you'll hear

00:04:27.840 my interview with Vakramaswamy. I'll give you some updates on him, why he's in the news right now,

00:04:33.240 and how he's doing with polling and everything like that. So first, let's look at this story by the

00:04:40.600 hill that maybe you've seen because it's been out for a week or so. I just haven't been able to comment

00:04:44.700 on it. High school boys are trending conservative. This is according to the hill. According to the

00:04:50.760 University of Michigan's monitoring the future survey, 12th grade boys are twice as likely to identify

00:04:55.920 as conservative versus liberal. In annual surveys over the last three years, roughly one quarter of

00:05:02.020 high school seniors self-identified as conservative or very conservative on the monitoring the future

00:05:06.820 survey, a survey that dates back to the 1970s. Only 13 percent of boys identified as liberal or very

00:05:12.620 liberal in the last three years. So if you look at this graph that we can put up on YouTube, like you'll

00:05:19.140 see, you'll go back all the way to 1975, 25 percent of 12th grade boys identified as very liberal. Now,

00:05:28.400 obviously, the definition of liberal and conservative has changed over the past 50 years. And so it doesn't

00:05:35.380 necessarily mean the same thing then that it means now there were a different set of issues. We weren't

00:05:40.760 talking about gender ideology, all of the craziness and the chaos that we're seeing today. There was a lot

00:05:45.680 of chaos in the 1970s. Don't get me wrong. But again, different definitions, different values,

00:05:51.220 different policies were on the table. And only, let's see, it looks like about 17 to 18 percent in

00:05:57.660 1975 consider themselves very conservative. And that there's a big drop off of teenage boys or senior

00:06:06.940 boys that consider themselves liberal from 1975 to 1985. I think that Ronald Reagan

00:06:15.060 had a very big impact on this. Whatever we think about some of Reagan's policies in retrospect,

00:06:21.600 I mean, he did kind of bring back this pride in being an American. And I think that he did have

00:06:28.940 this very respectable masculinity and strength and patriotism to him that made it really appealing to

00:06:36.260 be not just a conservative, but to be a Republican, to be proud of your country. If you think about the

00:06:41.920 things that were happening in the 1970s and why people maybe wouldn't have been proud of their

00:06:46.780 country, why it was cool to be a rebel, why it was cool to kind of raise your fist against the system,

00:06:53.380 Ronald Reagan came in and we saw this resurgence of respect for and love for America. Now, again,

00:06:59.780 looking back, we see some mistakes that Ronald Reagan made when it comes to foreign policy,

00:07:04.520 when it comes to immigration, even when it comes to the pharmaceutical industry. However, I think that we

00:07:10.920 can recognize and appreciate the kind of love for the country that Reagan brought forth. And he was very

00:07:18.780 charming and compelling in doing so. So I could see why it became unpopular to become liberal or to say that

00:07:25.460 you're liberal. And obviously, we can look at the voting map, both in both elections in the 80s and see how

00:07:31.560 insanely popular Republicans were because of Ronald Reagan. So we see the liberal identification from

00:07:39.760 12th grade boys kind of drop off and then stay at about 17 or so percent and then got higher in 2010.

00:07:48.500 I think that probably has to do or maybe it might even be 2008. We see kind of a peak there. And it's

00:07:57.220 probably because of Barack Obama, Barack Obama, another very compelling figure. Now, I wouldn't say

00:08:03.520 necessarily an exemplar of masculinity, but definitely charm and kind of that hope and that

00:08:09.880 optimism. I think that he brought that to the table in a similar way that Reagan did, obviously,

00:08:15.720 on the other end of the political spectrum. But you can see kind of the parallel appeal there.

00:08:20.700 But then after that, we see a steep drop off of liberal identification for 12th grade boys. So

00:08:27.560 we're talking 17 to 8 or to 18 year old boys. And then now it's lower than it has ever been by far

00:08:35.060 from 2020 to 2023, where we are now. We only have between 10 and 15 percent. So probably somewhere

00:08:44.020 around 13 percent or so. And then you've got let's see in it look like about 2020. It peaked

00:08:53.440 identification with conservative. And so you've got, I don't know, 27 percent, 12th grade boys,

00:08:59.620 maybe 26 percent identifying as conservative. And now it's lower just a little bit, but not too much

00:09:06.280 to where it's a little below 25 percent. 25 percent identifying as conservative. So obviously,

00:09:17.500 that still means that the majority of these 12th grade boys are identifying not as conservative,

00:09:26.220 but very few are also identifying as liberal or very liberal. So what we see is that there is a trend

00:09:33.560 to the right, whereas the girls, the 12th grade girls are heading to the left. So more than 30 percent,

00:09:42.380 more than 30 percent of 12th grade girls are identifying as liberal. And that is much higher

00:09:47.360 than it's ever been. It was lowest again in 1980, identifying as liberal. I think Ronald Reagan had

00:09:53.660 a big a big effect on that. And then you can kind of see it goes up and down, up and down. It goes much

00:10:00.140 higher around 2015. And then it just skyrockets again in 2020. Perhaps the Trump effect, a lot of

00:10:08.000 other issues, I think, on the table. And then when it comes to identifying as conservative, you've got

00:10:12.880 a little over 10 percent of 12th grade girls identifying as conservative. And honestly, it stayed

00:10:18.960 pretty similar. It was a little bit higher from 2000 to 2015 or so. It's dropped off in 2020,

00:10:27.840 but it's not that different than it was, honestly, in 1975. Assiding a Gallup survey,

00:10:36.440 the Hill writes that women ages 18 to 29 are also shifting left and are more likely to identify as

00:10:41.900 liberal or very liberal now than at any time in the past two decades. According to the Survey

00:10:49.020 Center on American Life, the beliefs of young men are more or less the same than they were 20 years

00:10:54.300 ago. 43 percent identifying as moderate, 31 percent identifying as conservative, 24 percent as liberal.

00:11:00.860 The leftward drift among young women alone has moved the needle to on young adults as a whole.

00:11:07.520 Gen Z favors liberalism, leftism really, over conservatism by a 48 to 33 margin, according to the

00:11:14.400 NBC News polling from 2022. So I guess even though I mean, it looks like from the graph that there is a

00:11:22.000 trend towards conservatism, like a stark trend towards conservatism for 12th grade boys, the

00:11:27.700 interpretation of the data, according to this article, is that really men, when you break it

00:11:33.140 down, that their political views are kind of staying the same. But the gap is obviously bigger

00:11:38.380 because of the dramatic shift by girls in moving to the left. So what does this all mean? Like,

00:11:45.380 what are the implications of this? Because there's been much commentary on it. A lot of people have

00:11:49.880 different opinions that they've shared about the gap between men and women and their political

00:11:55.160 ideologies and what that looks like for the future. Also, why? Why?

00:11:59.760 All right. So a lot of people are saying the various reasons for why Gen Z is moving left among

00:12:20.140 women, trending right-ish among men. I've seen some people say that, you know, young women,

00:12:31.620 that it's feminism, basically that it's just that they're basically delusional and that there's no

00:12:40.160 appealing to this demographic because they're emotional and they're just they're simply going

00:12:46.520 to move to the left because of the propaganda that's fed to them. And then, of course, from the

00:12:51.900 left, you hear the same thing about men, that it's Andrew Tate, that it's toxic masculinity,

00:12:57.220 that it's this love for patriarchy and for Trump. That's why they seem to be trending conservative

00:13:02.600 or staying conservative. And both of these things may be somewhat true. I do think that there is a

00:13:12.020 propaganda aspect to this. I do absolutely think that women are more emotional. And so we are more

00:13:18.880 susceptible to what I call empathy extortion. We are more susceptible to emotional manipulation.

00:13:26.220 And so when it comes to the narratives about, oh, the border wall is so cruel and they're taking away

00:13:33.220 kids from their parents at the border or your bodily autonomy is being violated.

00:13:40.460 And if you elect Trump, then we are going to go back to the handmaid's tale. I do think that we are

00:13:49.640 more vulnerable to those narratives. And I think that in our defense, that the media plays upon those

00:13:55.960 narratives because they understand how susceptible women are, because we are more emotional, because we are

00:14:03.940 more reactionary in general, in general. I think that they understand that they can appeal to us in that

00:14:12.140 way. And so I do think that that's part of it. Now, I also think that for the better, women are more

00:14:20.440 naturally compassionate, that we are more in a positive way, more empathetic. And so when we do hear

00:14:28.720 these sad tales that tend to support kind of a progressive narrative, that we are going to go

00:14:36.880 along with it, not because we're bad people, but because we want to be good people, because women

00:14:41.740 don't want to be called bigots. No one wants to be thought of as a white supremacist. You don't want

00:14:46.940 to be thought of as some kind of phobe. You want to be accepting. You want to be seen as gentle. You want

00:14:51.680 to be seen as loving. You want to be seen as someone that, you know, the marginalized or the bullied or the

00:14:58.920 outcast can trust. And so I think that's what plays into a lot of this. For one, I think that they're

00:15:06.660 emotionally and spiritually manipulated into believing that the progressive solution, progressive solutions for

00:15:15.100 the problems that the so-called marginalized face are the best and most compassionate ones.

00:15:23.180 And I think that men simply are not appealed to by the media quite as much because men, especially

00:15:31.560 white men, are not seen as a victimized or marginalized group. And so the fear-mongering narrative is about

00:15:37.940 women losing their rights or losing their bodily autonomy, which of course is a poor excuse for

00:15:44.000 justifying the murder of unborn children. Or all of these empathy extortion tactics, they're not

00:15:51.700 targeted at men. They don't go towards men because men are not classified as these victim groups. So

00:15:59.760 because men are not championed like all of these other, you know, intersectional identities are,

00:16:07.080 whether you're a woman or whether you're gay or whether you identify as transgender or an immigrant or

00:16:12.460 black or brown. Because of that, I just don't think that the emotional manipulation that we see from

00:16:19.040 the liberal press and we see from Democrat politicians is quite as effective on men. And look, when you've

00:16:25.540 got a side telling you that masculinity is toxic and that the patriarchy is responsible for all of the

00:16:33.180 problems that we face today, of course, that's not going to be as attractive or appealing to most men.

00:16:38.660 And like, I do think that there is an ability by men, again, in general, to be able to separate,

00:16:48.700 I think God made men like this, to be able to separate emotions from facts. Women have this

00:16:56.300 capacity too. We totally have this capability. But it's a little bit more difficult. It's actually a

00:17:02.140 strength that we have, I think, that being able to operate from a place of emotions and compassion can be

00:17:07.940 very appropriate. It can be very good. It can be very beneficial. But when it comes to deciding

00:17:13.240 policy, when it comes to weighing risks and benefits, I think in general, in general, it is

00:17:20.420 more difficult for women to do that. Not impossible, not every woman, but in general, I think it is more

00:17:26.760 difficult for women to separate these things. And so I think that that is part of what's going on here.

00:17:34.640 I think it goes back to the Garden of Eden too. I mean, if you want to look at like the nature of

00:17:39.720 men and women, obviously, man was not without faults. When it comes to Adam was certainly not

00:17:45.580 without fault. His sin was passivity. He just stood there while Eve was being deceived. But I do think

00:17:51.540 it speaks to the two strengths and weaknesses of men and women, which are not exactly the same.

00:17:57.540 And I do just want to note that still the majority of Gen Z here, male and female,

00:18:04.620 don't identify as conservative. They both are being deceived by liberal talking points. That's

00:18:09.640 actually what my next book is about. This empathy extortion that we constantly see, this empathy

00:18:14.460 manipulation, how it convinces us without using truth, without using facts to just go with the flow,

00:18:21.400 go with the mainstream, go with the progressive narratives because they sound compassionate.

00:18:25.340 It can be really inconvenient to pick apart a narrative, especially when it comes to sensitive

00:18:30.320 topics like race. You're not allowed to look at statistics. You're not allowed to look at data.

00:18:36.720 You're not allowed to look at facts. Because if you do, and if that busts the narrative that the only

00:18:42.660 reason for the disparities that exist between Black Americans and white Americans is racism and

00:18:47.280 discrimination, that puts you in a really uncomfortable spot of trying to identify what are the reasons for

00:18:53.200 those disparities if it's not systemic discrimination, that makes for really awkward conversations.

00:18:59.800 And so I think most people don't want that. They just want to be perceived as loving, even if the

00:19:03.960 love that they are presenting to the world isn't filled with truth. Now, the question is, what does this

00:19:08.540 mean for the future of the country? We already have a failing birth rate. Like we already have

00:19:14.180 statistically marriage being put off until a later and later date. If I talk to my single friends,

00:19:21.240 my wonderful single friends, who are all women, I mean, they really feel like there are not men out

00:19:29.060 there that align with them. And these are conservative Christian women, by the way. But if you talk to a

00:19:35.380 man, they would probably say the same thing. So there's like a disconnect here, even without the

00:19:40.960 political differences. So if you add on these political differences, like if these trends stay the

00:19:45.740 same, if these women stay liberal through college, they probably will be. They probably will. If they

00:19:51.440 stay liberal through their 20s and these men stay conservative, or at least a large percentage of

00:19:57.080 them stay conservative, like what's that going to look like? Some people, I saw some people say,

00:20:02.880 oh, that's going to be a lot of men marrying foreign women because foreign women have more,

00:20:09.460 some foreign women have more conservative values. Okay. Maybe that's true. I don't really see that

00:20:15.660 being like a huge trend. I think that it's possible because unfortunately this happens is that women

00:20:22.920 turn the people that they're dating more conservative, but it's also possible for men,

00:20:28.440 especially husbands. I have seen this firsthand. I mean, not in my life, but in people that I know

00:20:33.900 that women who think that they are liberal feminists, they get married and they very quickly

00:20:40.420 don conservative values because their husband has positively influenced them. And people who I never

00:20:47.300 thought would vote Republican because I thought that they were more progressive on issues. They ended up

00:20:52.640 voting the way that their husband did. And some people could say, oh, that's so sad how they're

00:20:57.320 influenced by their husband. No, I think that's good. I think that's how it should be. Like you should be

00:21:02.680 on the same page. I mean, especially if you're a professing Christian and your husband is like, oh,

00:21:09.020 no, we're not going to vote for the person who is advocating for baby murder and the destruction of

00:21:13.860 our city. Like I think it's very good for a woman to be influenced in that direction. And so it's possible

00:21:19.860 that this could change, but I think it's going to make dating even more difficult than it is. I think

00:21:26.060 it's going to make marriage even more difficult than it is. And that doesn't spell good things for the

00:21:32.120 future of the country. It simply doesn't. We need more babies. We need more married couples. We need

00:21:37.900 more nuclear natural families. It's the bedrock of any functioning and thriving society. It is an

00:21:45.120 incubator of liberty and of good values. When you rely on your family, when you provide a stable,

00:21:51.980 secure environment for children, communities, and therefore nations thrive. When you don't have that,

00:21:57.300 when you put off marriage, put off commitment, put off the sacrifice that is required by marriage

00:22:02.880 and having kids, you have a bunch of selfish adult children running around just chasing after their

00:22:09.080 desires. And that kind of society is always going to lead to anarchy, which then leads to forms of

00:22:16.000 tyranny. We're already seeing that right now. This to me, this disparate ideology that we're seeing

00:22:22.460 grow more and more among young people who already don't care about having kids and getting married.

00:22:27.820 It just spells problems for the future. So, I mean, what's the solution? We could look at young

00:22:33.900 women and we could just say, wow, they're hopeless. They're just getting their ideology on TikTok.

00:22:39.780 They're just getting their talking points from Snapchat and from People Magazine, whatever it is,

00:22:45.040 which I think is largely true. I mean, I think it's largely true that women,

00:22:48.620 because I think social contagions are more popular among young women, I think because we are on social

00:22:55.260 media more, again, more susceptible to that empathy manipulation. Like, I do think it's possible that

00:23:02.160 women just stay liberal. But I don't know if that's an effective strategy in persuading women.

00:23:09.940 Because, I mean, we want that, right? Like, we want people, male and female, to be right. We want them to

00:23:16.440 be on the right side of issues. We don't want them to be manipulated. And so, I also don't think that

00:23:22.540 it's helpful to just sit there all day, as I'm seeing a lot of people on the right start to do,

00:23:29.120 and just talk about how women are the problem. Women are the cause of all of our issues. Women

00:23:34.400 started all this. Again, like, okay, if you can go back to the garden, sure, you can say that Eve was

00:23:40.820 deceived, but Adam was passive. That is, that is a sin. And so, you could say that feminism is the

00:23:47.260 reason for all of our problems and all this destruction. Okay, well, were the men sitting

00:23:51.980 by like Adam was and saying, sure, I guess you can take a bite of the apple? Like, maybe let's not

00:23:58.540 pass blame to say it was the woman who was active in this, all this destruction. It was men who were

00:24:04.440 passive in all this destruction. We can just acknowledge that both of those are true. And the

00:24:07.980 question is, how do we move forward? I don't necessarily have the answer for that. I think

00:24:12.760 that all of our problems always go back to godlessness and always rejecting Genesis 1.1.

00:24:17.300 I think that's particularly true among Gen Z, who rejects religion, rejects Christianity in a large way,

00:24:23.060 not completely. And so, I'm always going to want a revival of hearts and repentance and awakening and

00:24:31.520 all of that. But I do think that there have to be people who can speak to this generation, Gen Z.

00:24:39.180 I don't know. I don't think that I'm one of those people. I think it needs to be someone younger than

00:24:43.780 me. I've gotten old. But I also think that you have to be able to do it, Christian conservatives,

00:24:50.280 if you are going to be the one to take up this torch and to really press your friends on being pro-life,

00:24:55.860 really press your friends on the values that they hold and the way that they vote and why they vote

00:25:01.540 that way. I think that you have to do so without compromising. I think that that is our – it's

00:25:06.060 kind of like what we talked about yesterday with the church compromising or watering down the word

00:25:10.420 in order to appeal to the non-believer. You don't want to do that when you're appealing to Gen Z.

00:25:15.240 I see a lot of people say, well, we need to compromise on social issues or else we're going

00:25:19.360 to lose Gen Z. Well, I don't care if we lose everything. I'm never compromising on that.

00:25:24.860 You're never going to get me to say a man can become a woman and share my bathroom.

00:25:28.340 You're never going to get me to say that it's okay to kill a baby inside the womb.

00:25:32.580 I'm not a pragmatist in that way. And so I don't care if the Republican Party all goes to the left

00:25:38.500 and the country goes to hell in a handbasket. I do care about it. But that's not going to cause me

00:25:42.640 to change my stance on things. And so if God has called you to appeal to this younger generation

00:25:50.540 of women, then do so without compromise. You can do so with compassion. You can do so in a compelling

00:25:55.400 way. But you have to do so in a way that is strong and is sure and can actually persuade them to your

00:26:01.780 side, which is possible. Look, all these Gen Zers, women, men, they're made in the image of God.

00:26:06.720 They have the capacity to reason. They have the ability to decide right or wrong. They might be

00:26:12.380 overly emotional. We were all overly emotional when we were in 12th grade. We probably all thought

00:26:16.980 that we were a little bit liberal. Hopefully they'll grow up some, but the reality is that

00:26:22.920 they have to be taught. They have to be persuaded. They're definitely not going to be challenged in

00:26:27.800 any way in college. And so whoever it is among you to take up the torch, among Gen Z, to try to

00:26:33.000 convince your friends of what is good and right and true, which I'm not saying is conflated with all

00:26:38.200 Republican policy, but just in general when it comes to these big moral issues, do so without

00:26:44.220 compromise. I really think the future of the country is on the line, not just in how we vote, but in the

00:26:48.300 kind of families that are formed, if families are formed at all. All right, I have another example of

00:26:53.740 this. I have a great example of a young liberal woman just simply not understanding how her values are

00:27:00.640 manifesting themselves and actually harming people. This is why empathy extortion is so very, very

00:27:08.520 dangerous. And voting according to your feelings is actually deleterious for the people around you.

00:27:14.120 It's the opposite of compassion.

00:27:15.520 All right, here is a young woman who, um, who is a TikToker. She's actually a, like a liberal out,

00:27:38.580 like she's an outspoken commentator on liberal policies. And she has made several videos,

00:27:44.080 like she made a video in the past, making fun of, uh, different billboards in conservative places,

00:27:53.300 like pro-life billboards and billboards that gave a conservative Christian message.

00:27:59.020 She did this Tik TOK, making fun of them, basically making fun of conservative values. And unfortunately,

00:28:06.660 and I mean that seriously, she was allegedly attacked in her city of San Francisco. And here she

00:28:13.880 is explaining that I'm literally shaking right now. I was just getting groceries and I live in San

00:28:19.820 Francisco and I never really feel fully safe. If you live in San Francisco, I'm sure you know what

00:28:24.480 I'm talking about. And I just got groceries. I'm walking out of the store and this guy is walking

00:28:28.860 past me and says, move you stupid. And he spits in my face, but it's all over my face. And then I say,

00:28:35.440 excuse me, did you just spit in my face? And he says, move or I'll rape you. There's also people

00:28:40.540 everywhere. And everyone's just walking by because they're like, I can't handle something else in San

00:28:44.360 Francisco. It's always something else. I don't even know why I'm posting this. If you live in San

00:28:48.100 Francisco, do you feel this way all the time? I don't feel safe ever. I literally never feel safe.

00:28:53.020 It's better when it's daylight, but nighttime, no, not leaving my house.

00:28:59.140 It doesn't have to be this way. It doesn't have to be this way. This doesn't just naturally happen.

00:29:03.960 This is the result of policies. This is the result of so-called social justice. This is the result of

00:29:11.380 being soft on crime in the name of empathy and compassion, which I guarantee this young lady,

00:29:16.600 whom I am very sorry for, also voted for. I am not saying it serves her right. I'm not saying she

00:29:23.260 got what she deserved. I don't think that anyone deserves this. And I'm genuinely sad for her.

00:29:27.880 If I were her friend, I would be calling her asking if she's okay. But I just think that it's

00:29:34.980 worth pointing out this is the result of policy. This is the result of voting on the basis of

00:29:42.600 emotional extortion when someone tells you that you have to vote Democrat in order to care for the

00:29:47.140 least of these, in order to care for the most vulnerable. You bought it. You bought the narrative

00:29:53.840 and these are the consequences to buying that narrative every single time, every single time.

00:30:01.640 Like there is not a blue city that has gotten better over the past few years. Like there's no

00:30:09.540 blue city that people are leaving red cities to move to. There's just not. They've all gotten dirtier.

00:30:17.540 They've all gotten more ridden with drugs and homelessness. They've all gotten more dangerous.

00:30:22.540 They've all gotten more chaotic, more disastrous. People are leaving these cities. Companies are

00:30:30.000 leaving these cities. Professional sports teams are leaving these cities. And still anyone has the

00:30:35.360 audacity or the ignorance to think that democratic policies work? They don't. They don't. They always

00:30:43.100 lead to this kind of unsafety and destruction. Now she did a follow-up video talking more about her

00:30:50.520 attacker. Here that is. No, it was a very well-groomed and well-dressed white man. Also, this is

00:31:01.100 incredibly racist and you will be blocked now. Goodbye. Okay. She was responding to a comment. If you're

00:31:10.600 listening to this asking, was he, was he black? And she said that he was a well-groomed white man.

00:31:18.960 Now that's what I don't, I don't believe the well-groomed part, but I don't, I'm sorry. I don't,

00:31:24.720 I don't believe that this was like a well-dressed tech entrepreneur that walked past her in front of

00:31:31.240 a grocery store and spit in her face and said that I'm going to RAPE you. I don't believe that.

00:31:38.380 I'm sorry. I just don't. Now I'm not disbelieving the race of the attacker,

00:31:43.740 but I am disbelieving that this was like a well-dressed, well-groomed man that did this.

00:31:49.380 But again, like you see that she is like, she needed to make a video defending her views and

00:31:57.420 still defending like where she falls on the ideological spectrum. And like she votes with

00:32:05.740 this mentality that in order to like asking a question about race or even mentioning race or

00:32:12.720 assuming race is always going to be racist. I guarantee you, she's going to continue to vote

00:32:17.200 Democrat. And this is what I fear. I do fear people like this. She's probably going to leave San

00:32:21.480 Francisco eventually because it's just not safe. And either she does not, she just cognitively does

00:32:28.000 not, cannot make the connection between how she voted and the policies put in place and her feeling

00:32:35.180 of vulnerability at every second of every day, which is not normal, by the way, it's not normal.

00:32:41.100 Most people in America, especially people in red America, mostly do not feel like that. I can't speak

00:32:47.260 for every single person, but like there are communities, there are cities, there are suburbs,

00:32:51.840 there are areas that people feel totally safe walking outside in their neighborhood, going to the

00:32:57.560 grocery store with their kids. Like that is possible in America. It just depends on who you vote for

00:33:03.300 and the policies that you vote for. So she's going to flee to a place like that, which I don't blame

00:33:06.740 her for doing. She's probably going to go to Austin. Maybe she'll even move to Dallas somewhere that is

00:33:12.340 like metropolitan enough and liberal enough and, you know, big enough to where she can be comfortably

00:33:20.260 liberal herself. But the liberal policies that she voted for in San Francisco haven't fully

00:33:27.060 trickled down to her new city. They haven't fully manifested themselves. I guarantee she's not

00:33:33.460 going to vote Republican. She's I guarantee she's going to continue to vote the same way that she

00:33:39.160 voted in San Francisco. I think a lot of people do. I think that there is a disconnect like in a lot of

00:33:45.580 people that leave California. I know a lot of them are conservative and all that's good. But the

00:33:50.540 liberals who leave California, because it's just gotten a little bit too liberal for their taste,

00:33:55.980 they I think that they vote the same way when they move to Colorado, when they move to Wyoming,

00:34:01.540 when they move to Idaho, when they move to South and North Carolina, when they move to Texas.

00:34:06.320 I think they vote the same way because they somehow believe that like the problems were just

00:34:11.920 exclusive to where they lived and not characteristic of the party and the politicians that they were

00:34:17.940 voting for. Now, the question is, like, what are Republicans going to do about this?

00:34:24.500 How are Republicans going to get these people to vote for them? How are Republicans going to say,

00:34:28.640 you know what, TikToker, like I care about your experience. That should have never happened to you.

00:34:35.700 There should be penalties for that. People should be scared to do something like that because they

00:34:39.780 know that they're going to get arrested and go to jail and that they are going to serve.

00:34:45.080 Um, they're, they're going to be dealt a steep penalty for that kind of assault and that kind

00:34:51.800 of, uh, harassment that shouldn't happen to you. And here's the policy that I'm going to be,

00:34:57.720 that I'm going to put in place to make sure that it doesn't. Now, the problem is,

00:35:01.340 is that someone like this, in order to vote for a Republican who is serious about crime,

00:35:06.140 will want that Republican to compromise on everything else, to compromise on abortion,

00:35:10.640 to compromise on gender, to compromise on all of the other social issues that she thinks are the

00:35:15.640 most important thing. And again, she has a disconnect probably between voting for those

00:35:20.900 social issues and the crime policies that are now negatively impacting her and her friend's life.

00:35:26.240 Um, and Republicans can't do that. You should not do that, but it should be so important for people

00:35:32.220 to vote for their safety and to vote in the interest of themselves and those around them,

00:35:36.260 uh, to vote for the protection and the cohesion of their communities that they are the ones that

00:35:40.940 the voters are the ones willing to compromise on the other issues because this is so important.

00:35:44.900 And maybe Democrats are doing that work for us, but Republicans have to be very strong

00:35:49.760 on those issues. And you have to talk about crime from a safety perspective, not a punishment

00:35:55.440 perspective, even though punishment is absolutely a part of safety. Um, unfortunately that just doesn't

00:36:01.100 appeal to liberals because they have this pie in the sky idea of what justice looks like. Uh, but

00:36:06.100 Republicans have to do a better job of saying, yeah, you need to vote for us and not just saying,

00:36:11.520 wow, you know what serves you, right? You get what you deserve. She did vote for it. I hope that those

00:36:17.740 connections are made in her mind and the mind of other people. And I hope that for all of these young

00:36:22.540 liberal women, you are, I know that you think that you're voting for your interests because you're voting

00:36:27.120 for abortion and you think you're voting against the patriarchy, you're voting against your interests.

00:36:32.540 You're voting against your safety. You're voting against your privacy. You're voting against your

00:36:38.200 economic interests. You're voting against your future family when you vote Democrat, as we've talked

00:36:45.100 about many, many times before. Maybe this will be an awakening for this young woman. And I am sorry for

00:36:50.620 her, uh, that she got attacked. All right. We are going to talk to Vivek Ramaswamy. He is, um, uh,

00:37:00.580 a Republican candidate for president. He has a, uh, he's got a corporate background. He's a

00:37:08.280 multimillionaire entrepreneur. He started Roy Vint Sciences, a biotechnology company. He founded

00:37:15.320 Strive, an Ohio-based asset management firm competing with companies like BlackRock,

00:37:20.060 State Street, and Vanguard. He was born and raised in Cincinnati. He is a practicing Hindu. Um, he has

00:37:28.700 been on the, uh, news circuit for the past few years, speaking out against things like ESG, which

00:37:35.480 we've talked about very many times. Um, he, like any other candidate is not without controversy and is

00:37:41.680 not without criticism. I didn't get to talk to him about all of these things. We filmed this, uh,

00:37:47.300 last week. I only had a few minutes to talk to him because of his schedule. And so I asked him about

00:37:54.160 some of the issues that I know that you guys care about the most things like abortion and things like

00:37:58.520 gender, since he's not a Christian, like you and I are, I wanted to know, uh, what his stance is on

00:38:04.200 these things and why he has the stance that he does on them. Would he be someone who Christians are

00:38:10.660 willing to vote for if he is in alignment with our values? Um, now I've seen people, uh, like Abby

00:38:16.680 Johnson, for example, she was saying, you know, she would never vote for someone who is Hindu, um,

00:38:23.280 because the misalignment with our fundamental values is just too much. And then other people

00:38:29.600 are saying, well, it doesn't really matter. Like, is there really a difference between a professing

00:38:34.500 Christian who is obviously not a Christian and a practicing Hindu, as long as the values are in

00:38:40.340 line? So there are varying perspectives on that. Feel free to leave a comment telling me what your

00:38:44.920 thoughts are on that. And then there's, uh, some concerns about his ties to China. Some people have

00:38:51.460 pointed out ties to, um, George Soros organizations. He's responded to those. Some people, um, are

00:38:58.780 disbelieving that he is quite as conservative as he, um, as he says that he is. There's a recent

00:39:05.760 controversy in the news right now about him slamming Juneteenth and saying Juneteenth is, uh,

00:39:14.620 is useless, that it's not really something, um, that we need to celebrate. He said, cancel Juneteenth or

00:39:22.020 one of the other useless ones we made up, he said recently. Uh, but then two months ago, people

00:39:29.940 pointed out on Juneteenth, he tweeted, Juneteenth is a new holiday. So we still have a chance to

00:39:34.240 define what it means to us. It needn't be about grievance and self-flogging. Let it be a celebration

00:39:39.680 of the American dream itself. So two somewhat contradictory messages there. Um, I don't think

00:39:47.900 either one of them is necessarily bad or wrong, but it does seem to be a little bit, you know,

00:39:54.660 it's interesting to seemingly change your stance. Does that mean that he's moving to the right,

00:39:59.160 uh, to be even more of a conservative culture warrior? This is a new story. I wasn't able to

00:40:05.040 ask him about that. Um, but I would encourage you to not just listen to this episode, but to do your

00:40:12.240 own research and to do your own research after the interview. Uh, a lot of people really like

00:40:17.620 Vivek. He's polling in third right now, which is pretty impressive. Like if you look at, for

00:40:22.280 example, real clear politics, they've got Trump at 47%, DeSantis at 13% and Ramaswamy at 7%.

00:40:28.880 So you got to give him kudos for that. Like above Pence, Haley Scott, Christie Hutchinson,

00:40:34.620 and some of these people that I've never even heard of. Uh, I mean, that's pretty impressive. So he has

00:40:40.340 to be doing something right. If you like Vivek Ramaswamy, I would love to hear from you. Um, what do you

00:40:45.640 love about him? What has he said? And what are some stances that he has articulated that you're

00:40:50.840 like, yes, he is the one to lead us into the future. Um, I think that you'll be interested

00:40:55.700 to hear some of the things that he has to say today, but I just wanted to point out because

00:40:59.860 we didn't have time to go through all of the conflicts ourselves with him. I just wanted to

00:41:04.620 point out that there are conflicts. There is controversy. There, uh, is criticism surrounding

00:41:09.300 him just like any other Republican candidate that I encourage you to look into and to really

00:41:14.080 critically think and to make a good decision. Um, but I'm glad that I got to talk to him. I'm

00:41:19.540 very appreciative that he took the time in his busy campaign schedule to come on the show

00:41:23.460 and talk about a lot of these moral issues that really matter to you and me.

00:41:28.500 Mr. Ramaswamy, thanks so much for taking the time to join us on relatable today. All right. First

00:41:46.480 question. You have a beautiful family. You have been very successful in all different kinds of

00:41:51.900 endeavors. You're one of those people that seems to just be able to accomplish different things in

00:41:58.140 different, uh, segments, a lot more than most people are able to accomplish in an entire lifetime.

00:42:05.500 You have already accomplished in your young life. Why in the world, why in the world are you running

00:42:10.360 for president and possibly becoming a politician and moving to Washington DC? It does seem at times

00:42:17.680 like a sharp poke in the eye. Uh, at least that's what it would feel like the job would be, but I'm doing

00:42:22.580 it by way of a sacrifice to give back to this country that has allowed me to live the American

00:42:28.780 dream that I have. I want to pass that to the next generation as the father of two sons.

00:42:34.840 I do worry that their generation will not be able to live that same dream that I did. And I do think

00:42:41.080 that young people in particular, Ali, I think it's true of all of us, but I think it's especially true

00:42:45.360 of young people. We're so lost. We are so hungry for purpose and meaning right now. And I see a

00:42:54.020 conservative movement that has such an opportunity to fill that gap, but yet is not today. The left

00:42:59.820 fills that vacuum race, gender, sexuality, climate. I am longing for us to fill that vacuum with something

00:43:07.600 more meaningful, what it means to be an American reviving the individual family nation, God, the things

00:43:14.900 that I grew up with. I want to pass that on, especially to the next generation of young

00:43:19.660 Americans. And truthfully, to be just really straight and honest about it, I didn't see another

00:43:25.220 candidate in this race coming anywhere near close to an ability to actually do that on a timescale that

00:43:30.820 matters. And so that's why I'm in the race. Yeah. I want to talk about your worldview. You mentioned a lot

00:43:35.200 of things, obviously, that we care a lot about and talk a lot about on this show. This is a Christian

00:43:40.340 show, obviously, in the Republican Party conservative movement. You've got a lot

00:43:44.580 of Christians. And there is, you know, Christianity in the fabric of our nation that

00:43:50.080 really founded the ideals upon which were established. You are not a Christian, and yet

00:43:56.500 you share a lot of the same principles that we do. Like, where does that come from? When you go back to

00:44:02.440 why do I believe what I believe about what this country is supposed to look like, where rights come

00:44:07.840 from? Where right and wrong comes from? Where do you get that?

00:44:13.760 Where equality comes from, for that matter. It didn't start in some piece of paper. It starts

00:44:18.800 because we're equal in the eyes of God. We're equal in the eyes of each other because of that.

00:44:23.100 So it's interesting. I did go to Catholic high school. That was my first exposure and what ended

00:44:29.180 up being a deep study of the Bible. But it actually started much earlier than that. That's the

00:44:33.920 probably technical answer. The real answer is the family I was raised in raised me in a tradition

00:44:41.400 that it so happens shares those same values, including overlapping with the same Christian

00:44:47.620 values that this nation is founded on. Duty, sacrifice, truth, being grounded in the love of

00:44:55.320 the family, a belief that we are equal. You know, the way my parents taught me growing up in our

00:44:59.780 tradition was we're all equal because God resides in each of us. I think in the Judeo-Christian

00:45:05.260 founding of this nation, we say the same thing. We're equal in the eyes of each other because

00:45:09.260 we're equal in the eyes of God, that we have duties, that God put us here for a purpose,

00:45:14.640 for a reason. And we are here to realize that purpose, that there is a single truth.

00:45:20.900 And so for me, when I even, I would say in Catholic school, read the Bible for the first time,

00:45:24.860 it didn't feel like I was reading it for the first time. And I'm not running to be a pastor.

00:45:29.200 I would not be qualified to be a pastor of a church. But in terms of leading this country

00:45:34.560 as commander in chief, as the next president, I do share those values so deeply that I'm also

00:45:41.200 in a position as a young person, as a millennial, as a first generation American. And yes, as somebody

00:45:46.680 who's Hindu, not Christian, to stand staunchly for religious liberty in this country, to stand

00:45:52.900 staunchly and unapologetically for the values that this country was founded on.

00:45:57.980 And the truth is, nobody's going to accuse me of being a Christian nationalist or a white

00:46:01.880 nationalist as I do it. In many ways, I am at liberty as a member of a generation of first

00:46:06.900 millennial ever to run for president as a Republican to do things with greater latitude and conviction

00:46:12.900 than maybe even other politicians who are afraid of the political consequences may not be able to take

00:46:17.380 on in the same way that I am. And so with that comes, yes, an opportunity, but also a sense of

00:46:24.480 responsibility. And I take that responsibility pretty seriously.

00:46:27.160 The thing that I think that you're strongest on is being anti-ESG and the wokeification that

00:46:45.300 we've seen in corporations. This is obviously something that you've spoken about and written

00:46:49.680 about a lot. It brings me great comfort to know that someone is running for president who truly gets

00:46:54.940 it. You're not just reiterating a lot of the talking points that you hear podcasters, commentators,

00:47:01.360 radio hosts say. You seem to really understand where this stuff comes from and why it's dangerous.

00:47:07.980 I'm curious, and I know that you've articulated these things before, but just for my audience,

00:47:12.620 since most of us already know where you stand on that stuff and we're with you 100 percent

00:47:16.720 on these issues that my audience talks about a lot. Abortion. Tell us where you stand on that,

00:47:24.140 not just as an issue, but also as far as legislation goes.

00:47:28.540 Sure. So I am unapologetically pro-life. I believe that life begins at conception and that unborn life

00:47:36.300 is life. This is important to me. I am personally supporting efforts here in Ohio on issue number one,

00:47:43.340 reaching the ballot soon. I went to Iowa recently on the special day that they signed the six-week

00:47:49.000 legislation that day. It was important to me. I flew there to be there to celebrate that occasion.

00:47:54.580 I think Roe was wrongly decided. One of the most important things that Trump gave us was a Supreme

00:47:59.120 Court that in turn delivered Dobbs overturning Roe. I also believe that this issue actually,

00:48:05.900 if we want to get to truth, more Americans, way more Americans are pro-life today than will

00:48:11.780 actually admit it. Clarence Thomas proved that through a brilliant question he asked. It was

00:48:16.060 based on a real case. Pregnant woman walking down the street. She's assaulted. Unborn child dies as a

00:48:22.240 result. I have yet to meet a single American who says that that criminal does not deserve liability

00:48:28.520 for that death. So that says we all share the same pro-life instincts. Nearly all of us do.

00:48:34.000 We've just turned it into this artificial men's versus women's rights issue when in fact it is a human

00:48:38.640 rights issue. So as a matter of policy, I think that we will do better in our movement, in the pro-life

00:48:44.140 movement, if we're talking more about adoption, talking more about childcare, talking more about

00:48:49.900 sexual responsibility for men, including with legal teeth attached to that in an era of genetic and

00:48:56.560 paternity tests. And when we talk about it that way, I've discovered that this issue doesn't have to

00:49:01.080 be as divisive as we made it out to be. To the contrary, we can actually stand for life, but do it in a way

00:49:06.180 that gives other people permission to actually agree with us. In their hearts, they probably do, but they've

00:49:12.320 worn this exterior making this women's versus men's issue. So at a high level, that's where I'm at on it.

00:49:17.760 And I'm happy to go in whatever direction you'd like. Yeah. As far as federal legislation goes, there's been a

00:49:22.580 few proposals of that. Of course, I think ultimately pro-lifers would love to simply recognize that those

00:49:28.380 pre-born children should have equal protection in the eyes of the Constitution. We believe that they already do,

00:49:34.380 but that the law should be interpreted as such. What are your thoughts on federal legislation that

00:49:40.600 would restrict abortion, ban abortion, you know, depending on what's able to be passed?

00:49:46.860 Well, let's first talk about the federal legislation that is on the table right now,

00:49:50.980 or they're trying to put on the table, which is Joe Biden's efforts to codify Roe versus Wade

00:49:56.500 as the standard into federal law, which I think would be a disaster. I'm a strict constitutionalist.

00:50:02.560 I'm an originalist when it comes to the Constitution. That is why I was a staunch

00:50:06.800 since law school onward, staunch constitutional opponent of Roe versus Wade on principled grounds.

00:50:14.040 I think that on principled grounds and on the grounds, both of the Constitution,

00:50:19.480 as well as looking at what over the next 30 years is going to prevent the loss of as many

00:50:25.980 unborn children as possible. I actually think this is best driven by the states.

00:50:31.260 The moment that we federalize this issue, the same shoe will fit the other foot. And

00:50:37.800 I think we need to think this through. I know this is a little bit of a minority perspective in the

00:50:42.080 pro-life movement, though other senators and congressmen who are some of the staunchest pro-life

00:50:45.760 advocates agree with me and have shaped my thinking on this. Here's the reality.

00:50:50.760 There's something called preemption. Preemption. It's a supremacy clause in the Constitution that

00:50:55.920 says that federal laws preempt state laws. Right now, we've adopted correctly on the back of Dobbs

00:51:01.420 the position that the federal government should have nothing to do with this. This is an issue for

00:51:04.820 the states. And if a state wants to ban abortion, absolutely it can. It should. And many are already

00:51:09.720 taking bold and proper steps in that direction. Here's the problem, though. Once we federalize that

00:51:15.740 issue, the moment the Democrats then pass a piece of legislation that preempts all of those state

00:51:22.660 laws, more babies will die over the next 30 years, I believe. More unborn children will die over the next

00:51:29.600 30 years if we cross the Rubicon of turning this into an issue that opens itself up to federal preemption

00:51:37.760 of the great laws that are hopefully spreading across this country from Iowa to Ohio. So I think it's

00:51:42.680 really important to think for the long run here. We have the same objective, but I think it's really

00:51:47.320 important that we pause to think about the tactics before we do something we regret.

00:51:51.280 That's an interesting perspective. I would love to see that debated because, as you said,

00:51:54.860 there are good pro-life people on both sides of that argument, but well articulated. Okay,

00:51:59.640 let's end with talking about gender ideology. I've seen many of your comments on that,

00:52:04.460 obviously. Similar to abortion, I think that the majority of people probably agree that a 10-year-old

00:52:11.300 boy shouldn't be chemically castrated, but it's become this very divisive and political and

00:52:16.060 partisan issue. And so what do you think about the legislation happening in places like Texas and

00:52:22.200 other red states that says, sorry, it's not going to be legal to put kids through puberty blockers and

00:52:28.520 double mastectomies and things like that? Do you think that that's moving in the right direction?

00:52:33.020 I do. And I think it's the compassionate direction to move as well.

00:52:36.660 When a kid is saying that their gender doesn't match their biological sex,

00:52:41.900 they're going through a mental health struggle. That's a mental health condition.

00:52:46.180 And the compassionate thing to do is not to affirm that confusion. That's not compassion.

00:52:50.780 That is cruelty. The compassionate thing to do is actually to figure out what's going wrong in

00:52:54.600 that kid's life. And the fact that that's now beyond the pale to even explore shows how far we've

00:52:59.840 come as a culture. So for the same reasons that we don't let kids in any 50 state, any one of the 50

00:53:05.240 states to get a tattoo before the age of 18, to make a permanent life altering change to their

00:53:11.120 body that they may later regret, we should not allow those children to make life altering genital

00:53:17.740 mutilation or chemical castration based changes to their bodies either. I did meet, she testified,

00:53:23.200 I think yesterday or the day before Chloe in person and Katie, her friend as well, two young women who

00:53:28.160 have been bold enough to share their stories of how they went through double mastectomies. In Katie's

00:53:34.120 case, a hysterectomy, both of them through chemical intervention through puberty blockers that now

00:53:38.640 regret those decisions. Those young women will never be the same again. It is sad that Katie will

00:53:43.080 never bring a child into this world that Chloe, who despite wanting to, will never be able to

00:53:49.100 breastfeed her children. It is inhumane. It is barbaric that we live in a culture that led that let

00:53:55.140 that happen to children. And I think if we don't learn from those mistakes, we only have ourselves to be

00:54:00.420 ashamed of. As US president, I absolutely stand by the truth that there are two sexes. There are men

00:54:06.240 and there are women, XX and XY. That's biological truth. We have to stand for the truth. If you're

00:54:12.080 an adult, you want to dress how you want, I'm not going to stop you. But you're not going to change

00:54:15.960 our language. You're not going to change the way we compete in sports. You're not going to change the

00:54:19.520 way that we sort locker rooms. And you're certainly not going to change the way we indoctrinate our

00:54:24.100 children. That's where I stand on it. Thanks so much for that. Totally agree with you. Yes. And amen.

00:54:28.900 Okay. How can people support you, learn more about you? There are a ton of issues, obviously,

00:54:33.800 that we didn't get to today that people are curious about. How can they learn more about that?

00:54:38.880 Sure. So go to Vivek2024.com, V-I-V-E-K 2024.com. And I think the thing I would say is that

00:54:48.080 there's a choice in this Republican primary amongst good people. I think the other people running are good

00:54:52.960 people. You will not hear me personally attacking others, drawing policy contrasts. Sure. But personal

00:54:58.240 attacks, no. But the real choice I think we face in our movement right now is do you want reform,

00:55:05.480 incremental reform, or do you want revolution? And I stand unapologetically on the side of

00:55:12.220 revolution, the American revolution, speaking that truth without apology. And for those who favor

00:55:18.600 incremental reform, I respect that. I'm not the right person for you. But for those who actually

00:55:22.560 favor not just reform, but revolution in the moment we live in, that's what I'm looking to lead is like

00:55:28.600 the Reagan revolution in 1980. I think we have a Ramaswamy revolution of sorts that we're planning

00:55:34.240 for 2024. And I hope people can learn more. And if you're inclined, volunteer for us, donate,

00:55:39.500 join the movement. It'll help us get there.

00:55:41.540 Well, thanks so much. I appreciate you taking the time to come on.

00:55:45.380 Thank you. Appreciate it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 08, 2023

Ep 852 ｜ Vivek Ramaswamy： Can a Non-Christian Champion Christian Values？

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