Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 854 ｜ Another Christian Artist Deconstructs… And Goes Drag

00:00:00.000 Another Christian artist has renounced his faith in the name of LGBTQ inclusion. This time,

00:00:09.260 it is Derek Webb of the Christian band Cademan's Call. In his new album,

00:00:16.140 he features a drag queen named Flaming Grant. Yes, we've got a lot, a lot to say about this story.

00:00:23.700 And then we'll touch on a few other stories. What happened in Ohio this week, as well as

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00:02:03.320 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone has had a wonderful week so far.

00:02:08.040 So this is it, our last episode that we are recording before my maternity leave. I am 37

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00:04:00.660 it's been a long time coming and I hope that you guys really enjoy it. Can't wait to hear

00:04:04.700 your feedback on all of that. So because this is the last episode before I'll be able to weigh in

00:04:11.500 every day on the news and things that are going on, we have a lot to talk about. And in fact,

00:04:15.920 right before the camera started rolling, we were working on a story that I just decided like 15

00:04:20.160 minutes ago that I really wanted to talk about. And that is the story of a former Christian music

00:04:27.780 artist Derek Webb of the band Cademan's Call coming out with an album that celebrates being

00:04:34.740 a drag queen, celebrates transgenderism. And so I want to talk about this story specifically,

00:04:40.620 but I also just want to talk about this trend of deconstruction, specifically among contemporary

00:04:46.900 Christian music artists of the 90s, because it's really, really bizarre to me. It's very strange, 1.00

00:04:53.860 but we'll kind of analyze why I think this is going on. So first, let me tell you the story

00:04:58.940 of what this is. So Derek Webb, as I said, he was a member of the group Cademan's Call.

00:05:07.900 Now, do you remember Cademan's Call? As soon as I saw that name, I remembered hearing about that band

00:05:16.940 or hearing songs from them, but I couldn't put my finger on what song I would have known.

00:05:21.220 And so one of their songs is Only Hope. Only Hope. I, you know, I really hate when I have to sing

00:05:28.720 songs for you guys. This is the second day in a row that I've had to sing a song for you. Yesterday

00:05:33.820 by Neo, today by Cademan's Call. So I just have a very like, you know, wide variety of performances

00:05:40.200 that I put on for you guys when it comes to my singing. You can look it up on Spotify. Only Hope,

00:05:46.820 not to be confused with Mandy Moore's Only Hope from A Walk to Remember. So that's one that you

00:05:53.060 would probably know if you heard it. I feel like that was very popular, still probably played on

00:05:57.000 Christian radio. And then their version of God of Wonders. God of Wonders, I believe was actually

00:06:01.840 written by Chris Tomlin, like 95% of Christian music. But I think their version, their very like

00:06:09.200 90s camp youth group version of God of Wonders, Cademan's Call is probably one that you would

00:06:17.080 recognize. Those of us who grew up in youth group, mostly early 2000s for me since I was born in 92,

00:06:22.880 but definitely remember all of the 90s youth group songs. You're probably familiar with Cademan's Call,

00:06:30.280 which means that you've listened to Derek Webb. You've probably sung the lyrics that he has

00:06:38.920 contributed to these songs over the years. But now he is saying that he doesn't identify as

00:06:45.180 Christian and surprise, surprise, he also identifies as progressive. So here are a few headlines that

00:06:55.220 grabbed my attention when it came to the story. Christian drag queen Flamy Grant's number one 0.71

00:07:02.280 album is Battle Cry against quote unquote terrible theology of religious bigots. This is according to

00:07:09.960 Entertainment Weekly. Yes, it is the people who say that God made us male and female. According to

00:07:16.980 Genesis 1, we are the ones with terrible theology. This drag queen says, I'm here in all of my draggy 1.00

00:07:23.840 audacity to demand they reckon with reality. Really? It's us? We have to reckon with reality?

00:07:31.400 You're a man wearing prosthetic breasts and dancing in front of people. It's us? We're the 0.97

00:07:36.740 ones disconnected from reality? Okay. It says after her, I guess referring to this man dressing as a

00:07:42.920 woman, her Bible belt baby topped the Christian charts amid a feud with Sean Foyt. And then this is

00:07:50.260 according to Rolling Stone, a maggot preacher condemned a drag queen. Then her album topped the 0.98

00:07:55.360 Christian charts. Flamy Grant's good day and her LP Bible Belt Baby briefly hit number one on Apple

00:08:01.960 Music after she was called out by Sean Foyt. So this is a separate story. It was his album that I guess

00:08:09.280 topped the charts. But Derek Webb, his new album called The Jesus Hypothesis, has a song that is

00:08:18.720 dedicated to Flamy Grant who came to the celebration of his album release in Nashville. And he wrote a

00:08:28.520 song called The Boys Will Be Girls featuring Flamy Grant and also showing himself in the music video

00:08:36.440 getting dressed up like a woman. So here's a short clip of that. 0.99

00:08:40.820 Sometimes boys will be girls. 0.54

00:08:50.820 Sometimes boys will be girls. 0.54

00:08:56.620 Okay, so let me read you some of the lyrics behind this.

00:09:17.840 It says the F word because, you know, you really have to show after you renounce Christianity just how edgy you are. 1.00

00:09:25.480 So you have to say the F word in your deconstructive songs.

00:09:29.880 So he says, because sometimes boys will be girls.

00:09:33.280 You heard that part.

00:09:33.980 Sometimes armor will be pearls.

00:09:36.480 What you put on, oh, it shows the world how hard you're fighting.

00:09:40.480 Sisters, sometimes boys will be girls.

00:09:42.740 Oh, boys will be girls. 0.95

00:09:43.760 I heard Jesus loved and spent his life with those who were abandoned by proud and fearful men.

00:09:49.320 So if a church won't celebrate and love you, they're believing lies that can't save you or them.

00:09:55.480 Because you're so beautiful by any name.

00:09:59.020 Okay.

00:10:00.040 All right.

00:10:01.460 So those are his lyrics.

00:10:02.680 Now, this reminds me of the meme.

00:10:06.260 It's like, I don't even know how to describe the meme.

00:10:09.120 If we can find it, we'll put it up on YouTube.

00:10:11.920 It's like this person who is preaching to Christians about what Jesus would really do, 0.59

00:10:17.140 what the Bible really says, what Christian love really looks like.

00:10:20.920 And then the person who is being talked down to says, well, are you a Christian?

00:10:26.380 And then the self-righteous atheist says, no, I'm not a Christian.

00:10:31.140 I don't believe anything you believe. 0.93

00:10:32.420 And I actually despise your beliefs.

00:10:33.820 But maybe if I use your beliefs against you, you'll do what I want.

00:10:37.000 Like, that's what these lyrics are.

00:10:38.780 Derek Webb, in 2022, he said in a tweet that he does not identify as a Christian anymore.

00:10:44.760 And yet, he still refers to Jesus.

00:10:47.960 He still refers to the Bible.

00:10:49.320 He still refers to the church as authoritative in people's lives.

00:10:52.520 And he's really just using it as a mallet to get you, Christian, to do what he thinks is right,

00:10:58.600 even though he doesn't actually believe in Christ anymore.

00:11:01.880 He might believe in the person of Jesus, as a lot of deconstructing people do.

00:11:07.200 They say, oh, I'm just going to cling to the red words of Jesus. 0.99

00:11:10.360 But then they're caught, without really ever acknowledging it, in this Lord, liar, lunatic 0.96

00:11:15.740 conundrum that C.S. Lewis very well articulated that says, okay, well, you can't just believe 0.75

00:11:22.900 that Jesus was a good teacher because he also said that he was Lord.

00:11:25.920 He also said that he was the Son of God.

00:11:30.180 And so he's a liar, in which case he wouldn't be a good teacher. 0.99

00:11:33.960 He's a lunatic, in which case he wouldn't be a good teacher. 0.99

00:11:37.560 Or he is a good teacher because he's not a lunatic. 0.99

00:11:40.920 He's not a liar.

00:11:41.920 And therefore, the only other option that you're left with is that he was who he says he was,

00:11:48.680 who he said he was, which is Lord.

00:11:50.980 And so we don't really have, logically or theologically, the option of Jesus just being

00:11:55.980 a good teacher, of just clinging to the red words of Jesus.

00:11:59.760 The red words of Jesus says that he was the Son of God.

00:12:03.200 And so if he was the Son of God, we have to reckon with the entire biblical canon.

00:12:07.900 And so that's one mistake of many, I think, that a lot of these so-called deconstructionists

00:12:14.060 make.

00:12:14.380 And then they turn around and they use Jesus as their kind of political tool, their ideological

00:12:20.260 tool, in order to get people to be more progressive.

00:12:24.800 So that's what seems to be happening in this album.

00:12:28.320 So that's a member of Cade Minnskall.

00:12:30.760 He has come out now, and he's come out with this pro-drag queen, pro-transgenderism album,

00:12:38.100 this progressive album.

00:12:39.520 He's actually been, I guess, progressive for a while.

00:12:42.360 Um, I also didn't know he has, you know, some kind of friendship with, uh, Jennifer Knapp.

00:12:48.860 Do you remember Jennifer Knapp?

00:12:50.200 I definitely remember listening to her Christian albums in like early 2000, but I was looking

00:12:56.120 on Spotify and I didn't listen.

00:12:58.220 I didn't hear any songs that immediately rang any bells, but I didn't realize she came out

00:13:03.360 as a woman attracted to women like several years ago and started this whole ministry to 0.83

00:13:10.460 try to get Christians to deny Genesis 1, Romans 1, and the reality of Christ in the church

00:13:18.020 being a bride and a bridegroom, aka accepting LGBTQ identities.

00:13:22.960 Um, and so apparently there is like, uh, a group of people that are friends that are in

00:13:29.540 the somewhat Christian music world still, or were once at one point, who have deconstructed

00:13:36.640 from what they believe are just the antiquated backwards values of the Bible.

00:13:43.040 Uh, we're going to get more into this trend, why I think it's happening.

00:13:46.640 I'm going to get Bree's thoughts in just a second.

00:13:48.680 So like I said, this particular album is called The Jesus Hypothesis.

00:14:05.800 And so his song, um, The Jesus Hypothesis on the album goes like this.

00:14:11.580 I'll just read some of the lyrics.

00:14:12.860 Maybe The Jesus Hypothesis is worth one more test to find a rhythm for all there is that 0.99

00:14:18.460 beats in my chest.

00:14:19.920 The Jesus Hypothesis, like Thomas's best guess. 0.85

00:14:23.060 Oh, like Pascal wagering with all of the doubts in my head, you're in my head and you just in

00:14:28.180 my head because you're in my head.

00:14:30.320 Maybe black sheep are not lost. 0.92

00:14:32.020 Oh, they're just pioneers.

00:14:34.160 It goes on and on.

00:14:34.940 This is a message that we've seen a lot.

00:14:37.180 This is a message from people who try to reconcile secularism, worldly values, progressivism

00:14:42.920 with Christianity.

00:14:44.720 Um, and this of course is nothing new in a way this has been around forever.

00:14:50.320 This is, um, an attempt to try to wed the God of self with the God of scripture.

00:14:56.580 This is the kind of conundrum or not even the conundrum, the, the quandary.

00:15:01.780 I think that people get in when they say, okay, is there any way that I can follow Jesus and

00:15:06.860 not deny myself?

00:15:08.160 Is there any way that I can still be a follower of Jesus or a follower of Christianity and still

00:15:15.160 love my sin and still gratify my flesh?

00:15:18.000 Is there any way that I can not be set apart from the world and still be considered a Christian

00:15:23.160 and still be considered a member of the church?

00:15:26.040 Is there any way that I can just go along with the culture and I can, um, stave off any

00:15:32.500 persecution or any hardship and look exactly like everyone else, just go with the flow

00:15:38.060 and still identify as a Christian?

00:15:40.220 I think Jesus is very, very clear that that's just not possible, that we are all called to

00:15:44.740 count the cost, that we are going to not just look different from the world, but we're actually

00:15:48.720 going to be hated by the world, uh, because of the gospel, because of Christ, because the

00:15:56.460 things that we believe, not just about the gospel and the state of the human heart, the

00:16:00.780 state of the soul, which is that we are dead in sin apart from Christ, which is what Ephesians

00:16:06.040 2 says, but what we believe about everything, the Bible says, what we believe about gender,

00:16:11.260 what we believe about marriage, what we believe about sex, what we believe about what love really

00:16:16.140 looks like, what we believe about the definition of good and evil.

00:16:19.300 People are going to hate those things.

00:16:20.980 They're going to gnash their teeth at those things. 1.00

00:16:23.080 They have been for thousands of years.

00:16:24.680 They still are today, and for Christians who have convinced themselves that maybe they 1.00

00:16:29.500 can be loved by the world and also love God, I think that they just haven't read or haven't

00:16:37.900 understood scripture.

00:16:40.140 If you read, for example, it's James 4, 4, we see that this just isn't possible.

00:16:48.740 The combination of being loved by the world and truly loving God and taking up your cross

00:16:54.660 and following him, it's just not a combination that works.

00:16:59.440 It's like oil and water.

00:17:01.820 You adulterous people, do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God?

00:17:06.400 Therefore, whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God, James

00:17:12.480 4, 4.

00:17:13.320 It shouldn't surprise us, I think, that a lot of these people who deconstruct, and there

00:17:17.480 are people who deconstruct and then reconstruct, it's rare, but people who deconstruct, who

00:17:24.500 say, oh, I'm going to lose the culturally inconvenient parts of Christianity, I'm going 1.00

00:17:29.860 to lose the stuff about sexuality and gender, I'm going to lose the stuff that's seen as

00:17:33.960 bigoted by the world, and I'm just going to hold on to the red words of Jesus or hold

00:17:38.000 on to the things that, you know, the world deems loving and tolerant and accepting and all

00:17:43.220 of that, they typically start, it seems like, with the LGBTQ issue.

00:17:47.720 They typically start with that controversial piece, and then they move on to the rest of

00:17:52.920 Scripture.

00:17:53.620 They move on to John 14, 6, that I am the way, the truth, and the life, that no one and no

00:18:01.260 one can come to the Father except through me, except through Christ.

00:18:04.520 Because I don't think it's possible to reject the first chapter of the first book of the Bible

00:18:09.520 that says that God made us male and female, he defines gender, he defines marriage right

00:18:14.480 there.

00:18:15.180 He even tells us, I think, we see the implication of what he thinks about abortion, that human

00:18:19.960 beings are made in God's image, therefore they are highly valuable, and therefore, as

00:18:24.780 we read throughout Scripture, but even, you know, as early as the first few chapters of

00:18:31.420 the Bible, that he hates murder, that human beings are important to him, that murdering

00:18:37.580 them is wrong.

00:18:40.040 And actually, as we see in Genesis 9, it demands the death penalty.

00:18:43.700 But all of that, we see all of those implications, we see all those definitions in the very first

00:18:48.660 chapter of the Bible.

00:18:49.600 So I just don't think you can, for very long, deny the first chapter of the Bible without

00:18:55.660 also denying the gospel.

00:18:57.300 It just seems to go hand in hand.

00:19:01.880 And so that seems to be what happened with Derek Webb of Cademan's Call.

00:19:06.100 And it's pretty disturbing when you think about the songs that we have sang, that we've sung,

00:19:11.460 that are written by these people.

00:19:13.460 They seem so sincere.

00:19:14.620 They seem so good.

00:19:15.680 It's like, how could you be writing those songs and feeling and singing those lyrics about

00:19:21.200 the wonders of God and the majesty of Jesus and the beauty of the gospel?

00:19:27.300 And your heart still gets so calloused and still gets so hard and your mind gets so 0.98

00:19:33.140 ignorant. 0.78

00:19:35.460 That's pretty scary. 0.98

00:19:37.460 I was talking to Brie before this because she's only, she's a few years younger than me.

00:19:42.440 So I was hoping that she knew who Cademan's Call was and some of these other Christian

00:19:46.040 artists.

00:19:46.780 And she didn't know.

00:19:47.960 And I had to question, like, were you even a Christian in the 90s, Brie?

00:19:53.500 Do you remember any of these?

00:19:54.740 And I thought about it and I wasn't, actually.

00:19:57.140 You weren't?

00:19:57.680 But your parents, I mean, your parents, were they not?

00:19:59.900 Yeah.

00:20:00.200 But I think I technically became a Christian at like seven.

00:20:03.980 And I was already 2000.

00:20:05.040 So I was not a Christian in the 90s.

00:20:06.480 I was already 2000.

00:20:07.800 Yeah.

00:20:08.080 Okay.

00:20:08.640 Did y'all listen to Christian music in the car growing up?

00:20:11.800 Yeah.

00:20:12.040 My older sister listened to like a lot of, she liked Avalon.

00:20:16.920 Do you remember Avalon?

00:20:17.400 Oh, yes.

00:20:18.740 Testify to Love.

00:20:20.360 Okay.

00:20:20.720 Can you sing it?

00:20:22.460 No.

00:20:22.940 Oh, I loved that song, though.

00:20:26.920 And actually, this is on topic.

00:20:29.080 I read recently that one of the members of Avalon, which is like a, I guess, a vocal

00:20:34.640 quartet or something.

00:20:36.380 That's what the group was. 0.87

00:20:38.320 Got kicked out of the band because he came out as gay.

00:20:42.520 What is the deal?

00:20:43.720 Okay.

00:20:43.920 So why do you think that this happens with contemporary Christian artists?

00:20:49.020 It seems like a lot.

00:20:50.140 Maybe it's not a lot, but it seems like pretty often over the past few years, specifically

00:20:55.520 these like 90s Christian artists have come out and been like, I don't identify as Christian

00:21:02.440 anymore.

00:21:02.820 Like the guy from Hawk Nelson.

00:21:05.340 Yeah.

00:21:05.760 He said he doesn't even know if he believes in God.

00:21:09.100 Right.

00:21:09.260 Hawk Nelson was, if people don't know Hawk Nelson, Hawk Nelson, is that, what did they

00:21:16.440 sing?

00:21:16.840 Hawk Nelson.

00:21:18.700 Sadie Hawkins.

00:21:19.340 No, no, no.

00:21:19.940 That was Relyon King.

00:21:23.660 Hawk Nelson.

00:21:24.700 What did they, what did they sing?

00:21:28.200 Sorry.

00:21:28.520 I'm looking this up guys who are listening to this.

00:21:33.140 No need to apologize.

00:21:35.520 Okay.

00:21:35.900 That was Siri.

00:21:37.140 If anyone heard that Siri said no need to apologize.

00:21:41.280 Okay.

00:21:41.500 Hawk Nelson sing drops in the ocean.

00:21:43.540 He still does.

00:21:44.560 Sold out.

00:21:45.140 Thank God for something.

00:21:47.660 I don't know.

00:21:48.500 I, okay.

00:21:49.340 I thought that I knew more of Hawk Nelson.

00:21:51.560 I guess I did.

00:21:52.300 But anyway.

00:21:53.940 He said that he is no longer a Christian.

00:21:57.080 And then Josh Harris, who is not a singer.

00:21:59.760 He was, he wrote, I kiss dating goodbye.

00:22:03.200 He, a couple of years ago came out as, I don't know if he said that he's no longer a Christian,

00:22:10.000 but that he doesn't believe the same things.

00:22:11.680 And it's almost always the LGBTQ issue. 0.99

00:22:14.920 Yeah.

00:22:15.360 When you said that, I was, I was just thinking that exact thing because I used to work in ministry.

00:22:20.520 And when I saw and still see people that I worked with who were full-time missionaries, as soon as I see them start to post like happy pride or like I'm an ally or something like that.

00:22:32.940 And even if it's very like discreet at first, time after time, a couple of years later, they're no longer Christians. 0.98

00:22:40.800 It's like, that is the gateway to this.

00:22:44.160 And it's, it's really sad.

00:22:45.600 And I think also, like we talked about this a couple of weeks ago, Rhett and Link, Good Mythical Morning, those guys who are huge YouTubers, they were really prominent Christians, both of them, and deconstructed. 0.78

00:23:00.840 And one of the reasons is because they moved to LA.

00:23:04.820 And I think the people they were surrounding themselves with were in the LGBT community.

00:23:11.440 And that didn't fit into their lifestyle.

00:23:14.340 And so they changed their lifestyle.

00:23:16.380 And so I just think it's a, it's a really sad kind of like gateway to quote deconstruction.

00:23:24.880 Yeah.

00:23:25.720 There.

00:23:26.200 Okay.

00:23:26.380 There was, this was who I was thinking of when you brought up earlier, the Reliant K guy, John Steingard.

00:23:32.700 I was thinking of, what'd you say?

00:23:35.020 Hawk Nelson.

00:23:35.840 Hawk Nelson.

00:23:36.420 Yes.

00:23:36.820 Yes.

00:23:37.200 Okay.

00:23:37.500 I was thinking of this guy from Switchfoot though, whose name is John Foreman, who I remember when he,

00:23:44.700 it came out, I keep on saying came out and it probably seems like I'm saying came out as

00:23:48.680 LGBTQ.

00:23:49.340 That's not what I'm saying.

00:23:51.140 He published like a solo album.

00:23:54.320 I think when I was in college, that was pretty cool.

00:23:56.620 But you know what?

00:23:57.280 I noticed that a lot of these people who do the music that is like somewhat like is Christian,

00:24:06.120 but could be interpreted as secular.

00:24:08.220 It's like a lot of those guys that end up deconstructing.

00:24:11.720 But John Foreman from Switchfoot, they had a song also, speaking of Mandy Moore and Walk

00:24:18.920 to Remember, didn't they have a song on Walk to Remember too?

00:24:23.480 I don't think I'd even remember.

00:24:24.800 You don't know.

00:24:25.500 I heard it.

00:24:26.300 Anyway.

00:24:27.300 Okay.

00:24:27.660 So John Foreman, also a couple years ago from Switchfoot, he posted a TikTok video with a

00:24:34.680 positive message.

00:24:35.440 This is according to Religion News toward the LGBTQ community.

00:24:40.280 He said, I support your rights and freedoms.

00:24:42.120 I want you to feel loved and supported, love and embrace have always been central to our

00:24:46.240 story and our song.

00:24:47.760 We need our differences.

00:24:50.960 Okay.

00:24:51.720 That's interesting.

00:24:54.580 And then someone, I guess an LGBTQ TikToker said, I'm interpreting what you said as being 0.99

00:25:00.640 affirming.

00:25:02.000 If I am incorrect in that, then I really hope that you would clarify because I think for

00:25:07.160 many queer people of faith, the bait and switch of hearing such encouraging words like yours

00:25:10.420 and then finding out that that means something else can be heartbreaking, but I don't think

00:25:14.020 that's you.

00:25:15.980 So I don't know.

00:25:17.240 I mean, I guess you could interpret his, I guess you could interpret his comments as

00:25:21.740 just saying like, yeah, I believe that you should have legal rights and not fully supporting

00:25:27.640 him, but it doesn't really sound like that.

00:25:29.780 It kind of sounds like affirmation.

00:25:32.960 And so this does seem to be common.

00:25:35.380 And I guess it's not that surprising, the whole LGBTQ thing, because they are artists.

00:25:41.580 One, artists are, they do things like this.

00:25:45.360 So they're just more, I don't know.

00:25:48.100 Artists are pretty wacky.

00:25:49.080 Yeah, they're more, they're more liberal, but also they're in, they're still like in

00:25:55.180 that world of being in LA or being in Nashville.

00:25:59.060 And these are kind of more progressive places.

00:26:01.740 A lot of the people in the music industry, whether it's Christian music industry or not,

00:26:06.140 do identify as LGBTQ.

00:26:08.340 LGBTQ, even Lauren Daigle, a few years ago, when she was asked on a radio show, you know,

00:26:14.640 do you believe that being gay is a sin?

00:26:16.840 She wouldn't say it.

00:26:17.960 She was like, I just don't know.

00:26:19.940 There's a lot of people I love that are gay.

00:26:22.160 And I think that even though that might've sounded to a lot of people like just a ditzy

00:26:27.020 response, I think that that is probably the thing is that I love a lot of people who are

00:26:33.540 gay and therefore I don't want to offend them.

00:26:38.540 Yeah. 0.90

00:26:39.500 And she's another one that writes those Jesus is my boyfriend songs where you don't know

00:26:43.660 if it's about God or your boyfriend.

00:26:46.440 Or your boyfriend.

00:26:47.440 What is it?

00:26:48.620 But very talented, very talented and likable person.

00:26:51.560 Yes.

00:26:51.820 But it's true.

00:26:52.660 And that's the same with like in Hollywood with Christian production companies.

00:26:56.720 Usually most of the people running those aren't Christians to begin with.

00:27:02.060 They're making that content to make money from a Christian audience.

00:27:05.220 So while some of these artists might be professing Christians, the people actually producing the 0.92

00:27:10.180 songs often aren't.

00:27:12.660 So they're still surrounded by the same people.

00:27:15.740 Yeah.

00:27:15.920 And I think that that does get to people.

00:27:18.060 It's a tough environment to be in.

00:27:19.480 And so and I do think that it can inhibit some of your reach and your success, your ability

00:27:25.780 to like to to work with in these industries if you are openly oppositional to those things,

00:27:33.820 because even a lot of Christian artists who are not openly affirming or they're not openly

00:27:39.520 progressive, they still don't they're not exactly clear.

00:27:43.760 Like you're not seeing a whole lot of songs like glorifying and honoring the beauty of biblical

00:27:48.460 marriage between a man and a woman.

00:27:50.200 I'm not saying that there should be.

00:27:52.120 And I'm not saying that every Christian artist also has to be a commentator and also always

00:27:57.680 has to give the most controversial opinion that they have.

00:28:00.520 But you really see them kind of quiet on a lot of these issues.

00:28:04.600 And I'm sure it's because of what you said.

00:28:07.340 A lot of the people in producing and in production are progressive.

00:28:12.780 And so they don't want to hurt those relationships.

00:28:14.400 I doubt that Lauren Daigle would have been able to go on Ellen DeGeneres' show if she 1.00

00:28:20.300 had been if she had answered that question honestly and said, you know what, I'm going

00:28:25.100 to hang my hat on God's word.

00:28:26.500 This is what God's word says.

00:28:27.920 This is what he says is holy and good.

00:28:30.280 And that's enough for me.

00:28:31.700 That's all she had to say.

00:28:32.740 That's all anyone has to say, by the way.

00:28:34.660 Um, and yeah, I, and then I think it's easy.

00:28:39.220 It's easy to justify, not just for Christian artists, but for anyone to say, well, if I

00:28:44.580 stay away from saying those really controversial things, then I can reach more people.

00:28:50.260 And once I reach them, then behind the scenes, I can tell them my controversial opinions about,

00:28:57.320 you know, sex and marriage.

00:28:58.360 I think there are a lot of pastors that do that.

00:28:59.940 Yeah, I think, you know, that's kind of even the Joel Osteen strategy, but also like the

00:29:04.520 celebrity, uh, pastor strategy of like, let's just make people feel really good for a period

00:29:11.620 of time.

00:29:12.280 And then when it comes down to it, we'll talk about sin and holiness and repentance and

00:29:17.460 right and wrong and things like that.

00:29:19.440 Yeah.

00:29:20.460 And I don't know if that's what leads to destruction, destruction, deconstruction, just

00:29:25.860 a little slip there.

00:29:26.860 Same thing, I guess.

00:29:27.800 Um, but it certainly seems to contribute to it, that repentance and holiness and all of

00:29:35.140 this stuff isn't taught very prevalently within the church.

00:29:39.660 And so, yeah, you just have a lot of people misunderstanding it and missing it.

00:29:45.000 And that's a shame.

00:29:47.320 Yeah.

00:29:48.220 It's a shame trying to reach the largest amount of people, no matter the cost.

00:29:52.560 Yeah.

00:29:53.040 Is going to cost something.

00:29:54.460 Yeah, I know.

00:29:55.500 And that's the opposite of Jesus's message.

00:29:57.620 Like he, he's, I mean, he makes, he makes it really difficult.

00:30:01.840 He says, you're probably going to lose your life.

00:30:04.840 You're going to, you could lose your livelihood.

00:30:07.300 This is going to be really difficult.

00:30:09.400 And so he doesn't just say, follow me.

00:30:11.860 He says, count the cost before you follow me.

00:30:14.520 You're going to have to take up your cross. 0.99

00:30:16.380 You're going to have to carry your own method of crucifixion on your back.

00:30:21.700 If you want to be a follower of me, are you ready for that?

00:30:24.400 If not, then I don't want you to follow me.

00:30:26.860 So it's, it's just strange how these same people who say, well, I'm just going to hang

00:30:30.740 with Jesus.

00:30:31.220 I'm going to hang with Jesus.

00:30:32.600 Well, obviously not.

00:30:35.100 And, you know, one thing to keep in mind for these artists is that we've kind of proven

00:30:39.520 that there is a market for people who speak truth about these issues.

00:30:44.560 Maybe it's not as big as the traditional, you know, mainstream market, but, you know,

00:30:51.360 with like Jason Aldean, is that his name?

00:30:53.700 Yeah.

00:30:54.340 Yeah.

00:30:54.800 Like things like that.

00:30:56.080 It's like, there's a market people are going to buy, if it's good music, people are going

00:30:59.180 to buy your music if you stand up for what is right and good and true.

00:31:03.220 And I wish more people kind of counted on that.

00:31:06.620 Yeah.

00:31:06.960 But I don't think that there's a very large market for like progressive Christian songs.

00:31:12.160 Right.

00:31:12.560 Like a Christian song also celebrating like drag queens. 0.98

00:31:18.080 Yeah.

00:31:18.240 There's a definitely a demographic of people who will listen to that.

00:31:24.000 There's a network of churches that will sing that, but churches.

00:31:27.040 But it's, it's few and far between, I would say.

00:31:30.320 Not that I think that they should just put on an album or put out an album that they don't

00:31:35.880 believe in just to sell albums.

00:31:37.940 But yeah, I don't think that this is like the beginning of a movement.

00:31:42.560 I just think that it's people going along to get along, going along with the world because

00:31:49.060 it's the most popular thing.

00:31:50.960 And this is my response that I gave to, and you guys have heard me say this a lot, but

00:31:56.820 in response to this Nate Worthington person who I guess was a counselor, this is his bio.

00:32:04.140 He has a few thousand followers, I think.

00:32:05.840 And this tweet went kind of viral, which is why I responded to it.

00:32:09.600 A future counselor, current deconstructor, former pastor, always coffee, never nationalism.

00:32:16.340 Okay.

00:32:16.700 So random, always coffee, but never nationalism.

00:32:19.780 That's what I think in the morning when I drink my coffee.

00:32:23.060 Sometimes traveling, most times running.

00:32:26.220 And then if you didn't know, he slash him, which I really appreciate because I had no

00:32:32.140 idea with a name like Nate and a beard that he would be a man.

00:32:37.100 So I appreciate that clarification.

00:32:38.820 So he tweeted this, and this just typifies so much of what we're talking about.

00:32:43.020 I must make a confession today.

00:32:44.640 I am now a fully open and affirming Christian to my LGBTQIA brothers and sisters to quote

00:32:52.840 Derek Webb, I was wrong, I'm sorry, and I love you.

00:33:00.100 So quoting the guy, I didn't even actually realize when I pulled this tweet that he was

00:33:03.840 quoting the guy that we were talking about, Derek Webb, this Cayman's call guy.

00:33:08.260 I was wrong, I'm sorry, and I love you.

00:33:10.940 And here's what I said.

00:33:12.440 I don't think I could say anything contemporaneously that would be better than what I've already

00:33:17.980 written.

00:33:18.360 So I'll just read it.

00:33:20.880 I said, culture has changed.

00:33:22.800 Your feelings have changed.

00:33:24.180 Your friends have changed.

00:33:25.280 But the word of God has it.

00:33:27.160 Marriage between a man and a woman is and always will be one rooted in creation.

00:33:31.920 We read that in Genesis 127.

00:33:33.760 Two reiterated throughout scripture.

00:33:36.160 For example, Exodus 2012, you shall honor your father and mother repeated by Jesus himself.

00:33:42.440 Matthew 19, 4 through 5.

00:33:45.600 He's answering a question about divorce from the Pharisees who are trying to trap him.

00:33:49.860 And he says, have you not read?

00:33:52.500 He goes all the way back to the creation account that he made them male and female.

00:33:57.660 It is representative of Christ in the church, which is Ephesians 5, 31 through 32.

00:34:03.180 And it is therefore reflective of the gospel, Christ and the church.

00:34:09.720 So rooted in creation, reiterated throughout scripture, repeated by Jesus, representative

00:34:14.160 of Christ in the church, and therefore reflective of the gospel, which we see reflected in Christ

00:34:20.400 in the church as the bridegroom and the bride.

00:34:23.920 So there is gospel, spiritual, profound, eternal significance to the definition of gender and

00:34:28.920 marriage.

00:34:29.180 It's not just one of those things where we can pick apart some verses and say, oh, those

00:34:33.980 were probably culturally relevant then.

00:34:35.980 Or maybe the original Greek and Hebrew doesn't quite mean exactly what we think.

00:34:41.440 Maybe it has something to do with consent.

00:34:43.420 Like, I mean, talk about using modern progressive lenses to try to read in to scripture.

00:34:48.860 It's not just one of those things because it's not just Leviticus.

00:34:51.340 It's not just Romans 1.

00:34:52.460 It's not just 1 Corinthians 6.

00:34:54.780 It is also the fact that marriage between a man and a woman is the only sexual relationship 0.79

00:35:00.340 that is positively affirmed and called holy in the Bible.

00:35:04.940 Every other kind of relationship is seen as sinful.

00:35:07.100 Every other relationship is a sin, not just against God, but against yourself.

00:35:10.600 So it's not just about a few verses here and there, which if it were, that would be okay

00:35:15.100 too.

00:35:16.220 Jesus is God, and therefore he also created the male and female.

00:35:21.340 Well, everything that God's word says throughout the Old and New Testament, Jesus also says.

00:35:27.240 But it's not just about those verses.

00:35:29.240 It's also about what is positively affirmed.

00:35:31.680 From the first chapter of the Bible, Genesis 1, to the last chapter of the Bible, Revelation

00:35:36.480 22, the Bible starts with a marriage between man and woman.

00:35:40.440 The Bible ends with a marriage between the bride and the bridegroom. 0.95

00:35:43.860 These are not gender-neutral relationships.

00:35:48.360 These are not arbitrary.

00:35:49.880 It's not like God just said, oh, yeah, male and female, that sounds good.

00:35:53.820 No, God is purposeful.

00:35:54.980 He's providential.

00:35:56.600 The arc of redemption that we've seen from creation into eternity, the role of male and

00:36:04.880 female, both physically, as we see in the beginning, but also spiritually, that has extreme 0.99

00:36:14.180 significance in the biblical narrative and in the eternal plan of redemption, which God

00:36:19.800 has graciously put forward.

00:36:21.020 So that is why when people say, ah, I think I'm a Christian, but I affirm the LGBTQ stuff.

00:36:29.180 Maybe a man can become a woman and vice versa. 1.00

00:36:31.540 Maybe love really is just love rather than looking at, say, 1 Corinthians 13 or 1 John 4, 8 to see

00:36:40.720 what love is.

00:36:41.660 Maybe love is just love.

00:36:43.340 Maybe it's just this circular thing.

00:36:44.900 Maybe it's just what people feel.

00:36:46.180 Well, that's why when people affirm that, they end up denying the gospel, because you're not just

00:36:54.340 denying one or two verses, as if that was okay.

00:36:58.640 I'm not saying that it is.

00:36:59.820 You're denying something very fundamental, very central to Christianity.

00:37:04.680 It's not one of those things like, oh, we disagree on eschatology.

00:37:08.280 We disagree on predestination.

00:37:10.400 These are big issues, but they're not necessarily salvation issues if we disagree on them.

00:37:14.960 When it comes to sexuality and gender and the definition of marriage, when you mess with

00:37:19.720 that, you are messing with, again, something extremely foundational, extremely fundamental.

00:37:25.440 And that's why when you take that piece away, the edifice starts to crumble.

00:37:30.360 Your faith starts to crumble.

00:37:31.760 So Derek Webb of Cade Minscall, this seems to be another example of that.

00:37:37.140 There was that Hillsong guy, Marty Sampson, who also did the same thing.

00:37:41.820 And gosh, it just seems to be the same story over and over again.

00:37:46.760 This is just a reminder to you, because I know that this can cause, sometimes when you

00:37:50.260 look up to a pastor, you look up to an author, you look up to an artist, like it can cause

00:37:54.360 a crisis of faith for people who have been followers of them, a really big fan of them.

00:37:59.200 When you think about someone like Carl Lentz, who we talked about a couple weeks ago, I don't

00:38:03.260 know if he calls himself a deconstructor, although he does don progressive values.

00:38:07.000 But he ended up being not who he said that he was, you know, he was having an affair and

00:38:11.780 all of that.

00:38:12.480 That can cause a crisis of faith for the people that trusted that.

00:38:16.420 Like maybe you heard one of these people share the gospel and you became a Christian and then

00:38:22.380 you can start to question, is my faith real?

00:38:25.140 Let me remind you that no pastor and no artist and no author, no influencer, no podcaster is

00:38:34.720 the author of your faith.

00:38:36.640 Jesus is the author and perfecter of your faith, and he will never fail you.

00:38:41.060 He will never disappoint you.

00:38:42.940 He will never go back on his word.

00:38:45.040 He will never leave you or forsake you.

00:38:47.020 He will never deceive you.

00:38:49.020 He will never pretend to be something that he's not.

00:38:52.040 He will never put on a show.

00:38:54.400 He is who he says he is.

00:38:56.500 He is the great I am.

00:38:58.920 And he will never, ever let you down or turn his back on you.

00:39:05.220 He is the one who authored your faith.

00:39:07.900 So all of these people that we follow, whom God may have used in good and edifying and glorifying

00:39:15.380 ways at some point, despite their sin and rebellion, these are not the people that we cling

00:39:21.780 to.

00:39:22.540 These are not the people that we ultimately follow.

00:39:25.880 We follow Christ and we can learn from people who are emulating Christ in their words and

00:39:31.860 actions.

00:39:32.420 I think that's good, but hold everyone very loosely.

00:39:36.660 Take every person that you've placed on a pedestal off their pedestal and keep Christ the only

00:39:43.680 one there, the only one that is uplifted, the only one that is on the throne, because I promise

00:39:48.760 you he is trustworthy and his gospel is sure.

00:39:52.380 The culture will change.

00:39:54.260 People will deconstruct.

00:39:56.420 Pastors will disappoint you.

00:39:58.540 Leaders will fail you.

00:40:00.480 Friends will reject you or maybe reject the faith that you thought that you shared with

00:40:06.360 them.

00:40:07.880 But the word of God does not change.

00:40:09.720 Remember, Jesus Christ, Hebrews 13, 8, is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

00:40:14.380 How comforting is that?

00:40:16.000 How comforting is that?

00:40:18.060 And we should pray for these people's repentance.

00:40:20.980 Pray for their courage.

00:40:21.920 Pray for their boldness.

00:40:22.920 Pray that God would work on their hearts.

00:40:25.540 Unfortunately, I think a difficult part of this is that a lot of people who were raised in

00:40:28.960 the faith or who were in the church for a long time, when they start to deconstruct,

00:40:34.200 they think that they've asked all the questions, that they know everything about Christianity.

00:40:40.620 And so they think that there's nothing that you could ask them or nothing that you could tell

00:40:47.940 them that would change their mind because they've heard it all.

00:40:51.960 But typically, like, the questions that they ask, like, why does a good God let bad things happen?

00:40:56.820 Like, why is being gay a sin? 1.00

00:40:58.940 I'm like, oh, wow, no one's ever asked those questions before.

00:41:02.540 There's also just, there's just like a lot of pride, it seems like, from these people.

00:41:06.840 They think that they're asking questions that apologists and theologians and other Christians

00:41:11.200 haven't been asking for thousands of years and answering very wisely and biblically for

00:41:15.840 thousands of years.

00:41:16.680 I guarantee you, the word of God has answers to the questions that you're looking for. 0.87

00:41:33.240 Okay, I just wanted to talk about this story that I think is kind of ridiculous. 0.97

00:41:37.400 It is totally ridiculous. 0.91

00:41:38.520 I can't believe that we are here. 0.91

00:41:41.420 But as we have just analyzed, there's a loss of sanity.

00:41:46.080 And a loss of understanding and wisdom in our culture.

00:41:49.700 And it has even infected the Library of Congress, which comes as no surprise to me.

00:41:54.300 There is no institution anymore that is sacred.

00:41:56.820 A Library of Congress apologizes for using wrong pronouns.

00:42:02.060 So the Library of Congress recently publicly apologized to author Casey McQuiston for using

00:42:06.980 incorrect pronouns when they were advertising her book signing event at the library.

00:42:13.760 So the original tweet event listing with, quote unquote, incorrect pronouns was deleted.

00:42:19.840 But they referred to her, to Casey McQuiston.

00:42:22.840 And we'll put up a picture of this person.

00:42:25.180 Yep, there you go.

00:42:27.140 As she.

00:42:28.400 They had the audacity to look at someone who clearly looks like a woman and call her she. 0.99

00:42:33.160 And so Casey McQuiston, I guess she was upset about this.

00:42:38.180 And they had to issue a correction.

00:42:42.380 She wrote the New York Times bestseller, Red, White, and Royal Blue in 2019, which is a love

00:42:47.420 story between America's first son and the British Prince of Wales.

00:42:51.140 The book has turned into an Amazon Prime original movie that releases on August 11th.

00:42:55.900 And so she was doing this, I guess, reading at the Library of Congress.

00:43:00.740 And so the Library of Congress then apologized for calling this woman, who is clearly a woman,

00:43:05.660 she. 0.93

00:43:06.380 And they said, we deeply apologize to Casey McQuiston for using incorrect pronouns for

00:43:11.160 them.

00:43:12.300 There we go.

00:43:13.520 Them.

00:43:14.320 In our last post, Casey will be signing books after the conversation about Red, White, and

00:43:18.160 Royal Blue at the library on Tuesday evening.

00:43:23.780 Okay, so I guess in the past couple of years, she has decided that she is multiple people 0.96

00:43:31.760 like Legion, the demon-possessed person among pigs at the cemetery in Scripture.

00:43:41.660 So she goes by they, them, and the Library of Congress failed to acknowledge that.

00:43:47.940 But a little bit more about this, about this author.

00:43:51.960 This is from Time Magazine, Red, White, and Blue was her debut novel that was a surprising

00:43:58.540 success.

00:43:59.340 She said, I always felt that if the book could find its people, other depressed queer millennials, 1.00

00:44:04.640 it could do well.

00:44:06.220 But I've been blown away.

00:44:07.740 I personally, I can't say that I have read the book myself.

00:44:12.960 Now, what's interesting is that in this Time Magazine article, Casey is referred to as

00:44:19.600 she, her.

00:44:20.400 So this was 2021.

00:44:22.720 So in the past, let's see, month 2021, so May 2021, so a little over two years ago, she

00:44:28.880 was going by she, her.

00:44:30.600 And yet the Library of Congress had the audacity not to follow her personal identification story

00:44:37.840 so quickly, moment by moment, that they failed to refer to the singular person with plural

00:44:44.620 pronouns.

00:44:45.400 Now, how could they be so selfish? 0.99

00:44:46.840 How could they be so ignorant and so narcissistic that they were not following the ongoing and 0.99

00:44:54.320 always developing story of her transition from she, her to they, them? 0.99

00:45:01.280 According to Time Magazine's feature, McQuiston's formative years were shaped by attending a conservative

00:45:05.340 evangelical Christian school from kindergarten to 12th grade.

00:45:09.240 Hey, me too.

00:45:10.520 We went different directions, though.

00:45:13.040 Went different directions.

00:45:14.420 See, this is another example of, I guess, deconstruction.

00:45:18.660 Anybody who's been through queer religious trauma has ways of coping with that in adulthood.

00:45:26.120 Her second novel, One Last Stop, included an all-queer cast. 1.00

00:45:29.280 It was important to her not just to have one queer person represented, as was the case on 1.00

00:45:34.200 many popular sitcoms.

00:45:37.020 The book is set in the Deep South at a conservative religious high school, much like her own upbringing.

00:45:42.280 She says, I have no interest in fame or notoriety.

00:45:44.440 I just want to write my gay little books and show people a good time.

00:45:49.100 As long as I'm doing that, I'm happy.

00:45:52.980 Okay, okay.

00:45:55.260 So Casey goes by they then, the Library of Congress.

00:45:58.480 They have learned their lesson and they had to publicly apologize for calling an individual

00:46:03.600 woman she instead of they. 0.98

00:46:06.400 Honestly, this is just, again, the gospel of the God of self.

00:46:12.540 It is so perpetually narcissistic and demanding of other people's words and acquiescence,

00:46:20.400 even at the expense of logic and grammar.

00:46:22.980 Um, Library of Congress, however, they have been, uh, progressive for some time.

00:46:30.340 That shouldn't surprise us.

00:46:31.660 In the least, they've gone, um, full steam ahead on things like DEI.

00:46:38.860 In February of 2021, a new PCC Advisory Committee on Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion was formed

00:46:44.820 to revisit unresolved outcomes from the original, from the original group, I guess, that was championing

00:46:51.320 DEI to address the extensive feedback it received from a survey that they put out.

00:46:56.240 And one thing that they decided to do, do not record the research description and access

00:47:02.360 gender element and personal name authority records.

00:47:05.460 Essentially, don't record gender when a library cataloging about people.

00:47:09.320 Avoid outing, misgendering, or deadnaming the person.

00:47:12.140 Or recording details about a person's gender transition.

00:47:15.160 Respect requests from the person to remove or update information pertaining to the person's

00:47:19.400 gender or name changes.

00:47:22.020 Um, and so we don't live in reality.

00:47:26.220 Even the Library of Congress, who is supposed to be, I don't know, about learning and about

00:47:32.320 some form of truth and knowledge and wisdom, you would hope, um, they have also abandoned reality

00:47:39.040 as most institutions, as most institutions have.

00:47:42.680 And also, you'll remember, uh, Lizzo, Lizzo played a flute in front of the Library of Congress.

00:47:49.940 Wasn't it, like, Thomas Jeffers, James Madison's flute?

00:47:53.400 It was James Madison's flute.

00:47:54.880 She, she played the flute.

00:47:57.820 We haven't talked about Lizzo and her whole thing yet.

00:48:00.780 I will be talking about it with the Babylon bees, Kyle Mann, in a few weeks.

00:48:05.560 That'll come out in a few weeks.

00:48:07.140 Um, but yeah, she got to play in front of the Library of Congress and, uh, the Library

00:48:13.220 of Congress, let's see, is that it?

00:48:15.240 Yeah, they've just had a few woke moments over the years.

00:48:17.400 So not entirely surprised, not entirely surprised by something like that.

00:48:22.060 Um, we've lost the plot, people.

00:48:23.980 We've lost the plot.

00:48:30.780 Okay, let's talk about this Ohio vote.

00:48:40.120 And I'm sorry that I didn't get to this earlier.

00:48:42.200 I wish I had.

00:48:43.080 I know I had a lot of people from Ohio asking me, can you talk about this?

00:48:46.120 It's always so hard to talk about all the things we want to talk about.

00:48:49.220 Even today, we're not going to get to all the stories that we had planned to talk about.

00:48:52.500 Uh, usually one story just ends up kind of, um, dominating the episode and then stories

00:48:59.560 get pushed to the side.

00:49:00.620 But this is very important.

00:49:01.940 So I at least want to mention it.

00:49:03.340 So this is summarized from various outlets, The Hill, AP News, New York Times.

00:49:08.060 On Tuesday, Ohio voters rejected a ballot measure known as issue one that would have raised the

00:49:13.300 threshold for changing the state's constitution from a simple majority to a 60% supermajority.

00:49:19.180 This is significant to the abortion debate.

00:49:21.800 Okay, so this is probably why you're hearing about this as a conservative or pro-lifer because

00:49:26.440 Ohioans will vote in November on a proposal to amend the constitution to guarantee abortion

00:49:32.320 rights.

00:49:33.200 The Ohio right to make reproductive decisions, including abortion initiative is already on

00:49:37.820 the November 7th ballot.

00:49:39.700 Now this measure only needs a simple majority to pass.

00:49:43.380 So this would become a quote unquote constitutional right in Ohio, the ability to murder your child.

00:49:49.700 Issue one was rejected by a 57% to a 43% vote.

00:49:55.800 Supporters of issue one said the higher bar would protect the state's foundational document

00:49:59.920 from outside interest groups.

00:50:01.900 So it's not just about abortion.

00:50:03.940 Like I think the threshold should be raised, uh, period, but it's particularly important when

00:50:11.040 it comes to what's on the ballot this November, um, in regards to protecting unborn life.

00:50:17.140 According to, uh, the Associated Press voters cast nearly 700,000 early in-person and mail

00:50:23.280 ballots ahead of Tuesday's final day of voting, more than double the number of advanced votes

00:50:27.900 in a typical primary election.

00:50:29.900 I'm sorry, that just sounds sketchy to me.

00:50:33.140 Now I'm not saying that they're not all real votes because I don't know that.

00:50:37.220 I'm just saying, I do think interest groups play a role in this.

00:50:40.580 I think the massive abortion lobby plays a role in this campaign finance data shows that

00:50:47.120 one person, one vote that measures, uh, opposition campaign.

00:50:51.220 So the more progressive side of this, they're the ones that don't want to raise the threshold

00:50:56.220 for a constitutional change, raise nearly 85% of its $14.8 million in contributions, uh,

00:51:05.260 from outside of Ohio.

00:51:08.500 Protect our constitution.

00:51:10.200 The committee in support of issue one also received contributions from outside of Ohio.

00:51:14.540 Billionary Illinois business owner, Richard, uh, Lane contributed 4 million of the committee's

00:51:20.280 nearly 4.9 million, but they obviously, they didn't get, um, a whole lot.

00:51:26.180 They didn't get enough money.

00:51:27.240 They didn't get nearly as much money as the progressive side did.

00:51:31.700 And so that's where we are.

00:51:33.480 I mean, the abortion lobby, these progressive groups, they're huge and they have a lot of

00:51:38.640 money.

00:51:39.280 And like, you'll remember, remember Beto O'Rourke and Ted Cruz, like how much outside support

00:51:44.560 he got Stacey Abrams in Georgia.

00:51:46.580 Like you've got all of Hollywood and all of these industries flooding these states.

00:51:50.280 Sometimes trying to support these campaigns, it's not always effective.

00:51:54.100 However, it seems like the same thing happened in Kentucky not too long ago when it came to

00:51:58.800 their abortion measure, maybe Michigan too. 1.00

00:52:02.140 Um, it's not always effective because obviously Beto O'Rourke lost and so did Stacey Abrams. 0.73

00:52:08.480 Although I guess that's debated.

00:52:09.680 She might still be the rightful governor of Georgia. 1.00

00:52:11.400 We don't know.

00:52:12.500 Um, but a lot of these come from that outside groups and a lot of outside money that for

00:52:17.420 some reason just cannot stand conservative states being conservative and can't stand,

00:52:22.640 um, protecting unborn life.

00:52:24.620 Of course, President Biden felt the need to weigh in on this and he's super excited that

00:52:28.420 it'll be as easy as possible for women to abort their children. 1.00

00:52:31.320 The ardently Catholic president that we have, um, he said today, Ohio voters rejected an

00:52:36.440 effort by Republican lawmakers and special interests to change the state's constitutional

00:52:41.060 amendment process.

00:52:42.080 This measure was a blatant attempt to weaken voters voices.

00:52:46.880 Doubt and further erode the freedom of women to make their own healthcare decisions. 1.00

00:52:51.140 Ohioans spoke loud and clear and tonight democracy won.

00:52:55.560 And again, I think you have to ask yourself whenever you hear progressives say the word

00:52:59.500 democracy, you have to say, what do you mean by that?

00:53:02.620 What, what do you mean by democracy?

00:53:04.600 Like what does democracy mean in this sentence?

00:53:07.560 Democracy typically just means them getting what they want.

00:53:10.860 Fascism means them not getting what they want.

00:53:13.980 Um, so what you can do, Ohio, is make sure that you vote in November.

00:53:20.240 And I know it might seem hopeless at this point, but that's what you got to do.

00:53:24.400 That's all you can do.

00:53:25.180 You can educate your friends, make sure that they go out and vote.

00:53:28.280 I think the majority in Ohio is in the pro-life, uh, camp.

00:53:33.420 I, I do think that probably statistically, uh, most people are leaning to the right on this

00:53:40.380 issue and they don't want to make abortion so accessible, uh, and a guaranteed right in

00:53:45.620 the state of Ohio.

00:53:46.360 But there's a lot of people who just won't vote because it's not a presidential election

00:53:49.900 year.

00:53:50.260 So you got to raise a respectful ruckus.

00:53:52.320 You got to get the moms in your neighborhood, the moms at your kid's school.

00:53:55.040 You got to get your friends who are just so apathetic.

00:53:57.680 That's the thing.

00:53:58.580 Most people don't care.

00:53:59.700 I was just talking to someone about this yesterday.

00:54:01.980 Most people don't care about things.

00:54:03.460 They don't care.

00:54:04.200 If they don't see how it directly affects their life or their kids' lives, they really,

00:54:09.040 they just don't care.

00:54:10.260 Especially on the right.

00:54:11.180 I would say that's not even as true on the left.

00:54:13.220 They can get very incensed about things.

00:54:15.040 Um, but on the right, it's like, well, look, I'm just busy working.

00:54:19.040 I'm just busy with my family.

00:54:20.260 I'm busy with my kids.

00:54:21.120 I'm busy at church, which are all great things, by the way.

00:54:23.640 But other things matter too.

00:54:25.300 Bigger things matter too.

00:54:26.400 Just because you don't see how something directly affects you today doesn't mean that

00:54:30.720 A, it won't affect you at some point or your kids one day.

00:54:34.260 And B, it doesn't mean that you shouldn't care about it.

00:54:36.380 It affects other people.

00:54:37.620 What do we always say?

00:54:38.360 Politics matter because policy matters because people matter.

00:54:41.860 And if we're Christians, we should know better than anyone that people matter and why they

00:54:47.200 matter.

00:54:48.100 Those little lives matter.

00:54:50.300 Those lives in the womb matter. 1.00

00:54:52.500 And so get out and vote in Ohio in November.

00:55:09.940 Okay.

00:55:10.500 Um, let's see.

00:55:12.240 Okay.

00:55:12.420 I just want to say this last thing.

00:55:13.880 I've got to talk about this, Bree, and you can tell me what you think about this.

00:55:17.700 And that's the FBI thing.

00:55:19.420 Okay.

00:55:19.680 We were going to talk about the Massachusetts couple getting denied for adoption because

00:55:24.820 they're Christians.

00:55:25.860 Someone else have to talk about that.

00:55:27.120 Maybe I'll talk about that on social media, but I got to talk about this FBI story because

00:55:30.040 this is really freaky.

00:55:31.500 Okay.

00:55:31.680 And I just want to be able to say that we talked about this.

00:55:35.540 So this is according to the blaze and CNN, FBI kills a man who was a credible threat to

00:55:41.820 Biden.

00:55:42.720 Was he a credible threat?

00:55:43.880 He's 75 year old man.

00:55:45.560 He lives in Provo, Utah.

00:55:47.700 Um, and at 6 15 AM on Wednesday morning, yesterday morning, uh, FBI agents arrived at his house

00:55:54.040 and shot and killed him.

00:55:55.580 And this is allegedly because of things he posted on social media that were critical

00:56:00.300 of Joe Biden.

00:56:01.640 What do you think of this?

00:56:02.820 Do you think that this was a necessary kill?

00:56:06.100 The thing is we don't have body cam footage, so I don't know.

00:56:10.540 For all we know, he could have pointed a gun at an FBI guy, you know?

00:56:15.380 Yeah.

00:56:15.600 But knowing what we know, I'm skeptical because it seems like what he was doing, if you read

00:56:24.220 some of his tweets, like they are, they're very blatantly like, oh, you know, I'm going

00:56:29.220 to go like assassinate the president.

00:56:30.940 Like he says stuff on social media that is like, I guess, threatening, but he's also like

00:56:37.960 people did that with Trump all the time.

00:56:40.540 No one knocked their door down and killed them, you know, for that.

00:56:43.580 So I'm just skeptical how they were already tracking him.

00:56:49.020 They already had issues with him.

00:56:51.600 Um, I don't, I don't know.

00:56:54.780 I guess we'll see.

00:56:55.960 Yeah.

00:56:56.240 I mean, obviously the things that he was saying are not good.

00:57:00.080 He said the time is right for a presidential assassination or two.

00:57:03.200 That's a horrible thing to say.

00:57:04.640 First Joe, then Kamala.

00:57:06.680 He also apparently said, um, I'll be waiting in the courthouse parking garage with my suppressed 0.97

00:57:12.300 Smith and Wesson MMP nine millimeter to smoke a radical fool prosecutor that should never 0.98

00:57:18.020 have been elected. 0.92

00:57:18.700 I mean, these are horrible things to say, and I'm not saying that these threats shouldn't

00:57:21.800 be taken seriously.

00:57:22.860 I absolutely think they should.

00:57:24.480 But I see a ton of this stuff from progressives.

00:57:27.820 Yeah.

00:57:28.280 A ton of this stuff against Kavanaugh and other conservative justices when Roe v.

00:57:33.900 Wade was overturned.

00:57:35.500 And at that time, they weren't even, these tweets weren't even getting taken down by Twitter.

00:57:40.240 Right.

00:57:40.800 And as far as I know, these people weren't investigated by the FBI.

00:57:44.480 Some of them that I know tweeted terrible things, wishing violence and harm and destruction

00:57:48.920 on these people on President Trump.

00:57:51.060 I know they haven't been, uh, at least they haven't gotten in trouble by law enforcement

00:57:55.820 because they're still out there tweeting.

00:57:57.180 Yeah.

00:57:57.800 Living their lives.

00:57:58.760 And so I'm not saying that this person shouldn't have been investigated.

00:58:04.620 I do think you have to investigate things like this, but is it even, or is it just because

00:58:11.940 it is a conservative person?

00:58:14.740 Right.

00:58:15.240 That's what we don't know.

00:58:16.600 Um, now I still, even that we don't know, as you said, if the, he, like if the killing

00:58:23.360 was justified, just like we don't know in any law enforcement, citizen situation, if the

00:58:28.740 killing was justified until we know for sure what was happening.

00:58:31.740 Right.

00:58:32.820 So, yeah, I mean, it's really, I mean, it's just such an unfortunate situation.

00:58:37.920 And he has so many tweets saying, FBI, I know you're reading this. 0.98

00:58:43.360 Make sure you tell me when you're coming by so basically I can kill you.

00:58:46.800 So they had a reason to think that he could have been dangerous. 0.97

00:58:50.640 Um, but it, it, it certainly doesn't look good when they're seeing, it never will look

00:58:55.480 good when law enforcement seems to use deadly force with partiality.

00:59:01.740 And that's something that the left understands when it comes to race.

00:59:05.360 And when they claim, I think falsely that there is a, like a partial thing going on when

00:59:11.960 it comes to killing people, according to the color of their skin.

00:59:14.780 But when it comes to political partiality in favor of progressives over conservatives and

00:59:21.740 the use of fatal force by law enforcement, it doesn't seem like progressives seem to be

00:59:25.200 that worried about this story.

00:59:26.940 They don't seem to be worried about police brutality here.

00:59:29.600 It's just like, oh, well, he did tweet those things.

00:59:32.080 So.

00:59:32.860 Yeah.

00:59:33.380 Yeah.

00:59:33.640 Which was the first response was a lot of articles about this guy.

00:59:39.300 Look what he posted.

00:59:40.420 Look at pictures of him with guns.

00:59:42.000 You know, things like that, rather than should the FBI have been doing this?

00:59:48.160 What happened with the FBI?

00:59:49.660 What this interaction was?

00:59:51.140 So.

00:59:51.480 Wow.

00:59:51.720 Love to see the left back the blue.

00:59:53.900 Yeah.

00:59:54.580 All of a sudden you're going to see their little blue, the blue stripe, um, bumper stickers

01:00:00.780 on love, love the feds.

01:00:04.940 It's probably going to be their new motto.

01:00:07.720 So we'll, we'll see more about this.

01:00:09.820 I think it's just like such a sad situation overall, um, man, oh man.

01:00:16.920 So anyway, that's all we have.

01:00:18.840 That's just, that's developing.

01:00:20.860 This is a very like old person too.

01:00:23.560 And so there's just, there's a lot of strangeness to it.

01:00:26.380 A lot of chaos in the world, guys.

01:00:28.340 But just remember, um, God is on his throne, even in the craziness of the feds, the craziness

01:00:36.680 of the culture, craziness of people who profess themselves to be Christians. 0.99

01:00:40.040 The chaos and the confusion of the world will not win.

01:00:44.820 God will claim victory and enact perfect justice and perfect peace forevermore.

01:00:51.080 And that is the hope that we cling to in all things.

01:00:55.160 And remember, it is always enough to do the next right thing in excellence, in faith, with

01:00:58.840 excellence and for the glory of God.

01:01:02.700 All right.

01:01:03.480 That's all we've got time for today, guys.

01:01:05.180 We will see you back here on Monday.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 10, 2023

Ep 854 ｜ Another Christian Artist Deconstructs… And Goes Drag

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