Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 86 ｜ Woke Christianity

00:00:00.000 Hello, Relatable listeners. Happy Friday. Our first Relatable episode on a Friday. I hope that

00:00:06.240 you guys have had a great week. We are going to have a conversation today. I don't usually do

00:00:11.400 conversations or interviews on Relatable, but I'm going to start to do that on Friday. We're

00:00:17.520 going to kind of alternate between that and probably Q&A. Sometimes the conversations will

00:00:22.360 be with experts like it is today, and sometimes it'll be with my husband, my friends who are also 0.97

00:00:29.500 trash people just like you and me. But today we are going to talk to a man named Daryl Harrison, 0.72

00:00:37.620 who hosts a podcast, who co-hosts a podcast with someone else called the Just Thinking Podcast.

00:00:43.720 And they are a theological podcast. They kind of approach culture from a reformed theological

00:00:49.680 perspective, and they really take on this social justice Marxist stuff that we are seeing in the

00:00:55.440 church really well. So today we are going to talk about this kind of woke theology trend that

00:01:01.080 we're seeing within Christianity, where it came from, what it is, and how we combat it, what our 0.94

00:01:06.440 role is as Christians who know and believe in and love the Bible, what our role is in pushing back 0.87

00:01:14.300 on that. So I'm really excited about that conversation. Okay, now that we've talked about

00:01:19.900 that into our conversation with Daryl. Daryl, thank you so much for joining me.

00:01:25.580 Absolutely, Allie. You are very welcome. Thanks for having me on.

00:01:28.480 So I have listened to probably every episode of the Just Thinking Podcast, and there are so many

00:01:35.120 things that I want to talk to you about. But one thing that I know my audience is interested in and

00:01:41.200 loves hearing more of and something that I really think that you are an expert on is the wokeness

00:01:47.380 that has taken over or seems to be starting to take over parts of the evangelical community,

00:01:54.060 even parts that previously we thought were theologically conservative. So I want to hear from you

00:02:00.840 where that came from and why we kind of seem to be moving in that strange, progressive, woke direction.

00:02:10.200 Yeah, well, you know, that's a great question, Allie. And my personal opinion is that we who

00:02:17.260 comprise the church have lost sight of the fact that God has called his church, that is, you and me,

00:02:24.460 to be holy. The bottom line there, you know, I think about a text such as Deuteronomy 1144,

00:02:31.680 where God chooses the word holiness to describe himself to his people. And I think we've forgotten

00:02:38.180 that, you know, in that text, God says, for I am the Lord your God, consecrate yourselves therefore

00:02:44.420 and be holy, for I am holy. And that commandment is echoed in the New Testament as well, in 1 Peter

00:02:49.620 1.16, where Peter says, you should be holy, for I am holy. So what that means from the standpoint of

00:02:56.220 practical application for us in the church is that we're to have such an awe and reverence for the

00:03:02.700 holiness and purity of God, that we aspire to live lives of holiness and purity as well. Now,

00:03:08.880 a case in this point, and yet, you know, when you think about the whole digression that the church is

00:03:16.400 making towards this whole woke theology movement, I think bottom line, that is the root cause of it.

00:03:22.540 The church has lost sight of the fact that we are to live holy lives. You look at what John,

00:03:29.360 the apostle says in 1 John 2.14, where we are not to love the world, nor the things in the world.

00:03:36.940 And I think the church has gotten so caught up into loving the world. We are so enamored now with

00:03:42.540 the things of the world, such as being woke, as opposed to being enamored with the things of God,

00:03:49.600 that the church has gotten captured into that movement. And I think that's a root cause of where

00:03:54.660 we are right now. We basically have lost sight of what God intends for his church to do, what he

00:04:00.920 intends for us to be.

00:04:02.200 So what would you say to someone who says, well, Daryl, I can be woke and be holy at the same time.

00:04:08.320 Being woke just means, you know, I'm aware of racial issues, or I'm aware of social justice issues.

00:04:13.880 This would be someone who considers themselves a woke Christian. Why is being holy and being woke

00:04:20.840 mutually exclusive? Well, you know, I kind of want to go back and answer that question and sort of

00:04:26.780 dovetail on what I was just saying. You know, when you look at the whole woke theology movement, I mean,

00:04:32.700 being woke itself from the standpoint of terminology and vernacular, that's just a phrase. That's just

00:04:39.080 a term. And it's nothing more than that from a worldly standpoint. When you look at how we got here,

00:04:45.360 how this movement sort of snuck up, if you will, and just captured the church, my argument would be

00:04:52.720 that we got here by virtue of our affections being misplaced. And what I mean by that, our hearts are

00:05:00.360 so oriented toward the things of the world rather than the things of God. This whole woke theology

00:05:04.900 movement has sort of embraced us unawares. Now, when you look at what's going on with this whole woke

00:05:14.120 movement, the problem is, is that when you say these racial issues, and everybody says that there

00:05:20.320 are issues here, what would—issues is just another word for the sins that the Bible already deals with.

00:05:28.560 The woke theology movement is an example of how mistracked we've gotten as a church, because it

00:05:36.380 endeavors to bring about a society that operates on principles found in the gospel, but that are apart

00:05:42.660 from the kind of heart change that occurs only by means of the transforming power of the gospel.

00:05:49.640 Now, if I could quote one of my favorite theologians, I think I can bring this into more of a sharper

00:05:54.020 context. Dr. D. Martin Lloyd-Jones once said, and I think rightly so, that the church has been trying 0.53

00:06:00.140 to preach morality and ethics without the gospel as a basis. And that's really what the woke movement

00:06:05.300 is all about. They want society to reflect one of biblical ethics without preaching the gospel

00:06:12.860 that changes hearts, so that we are inclined to practice those kinds of ethics.

00:06:17.440 Right. So do you think that's part of why people who advocate for that, why they've kind of put

00:06:25.780 government in place of God or government in place of the church? Because someone's got to do it,

00:06:32.860 and if God isn't the center of your theology, it's really more social justice woke theology,

00:06:38.220 there is someone who is going to be in power in any kind of theology. So do you see people kind of

00:06:44.880 latching on to this idea that in order to truly be compassionate, in order to truly be godly,

00:06:50.960 we've got to get the government involved in this work of social justice and reconciliation,

00:06:56.720 whatever you want to call it?

00:06:57.600 Yeah, I think you're, I have two parts, two responses to that. Number one, you're absolutely

00:07:03.740 right. And I think the reason that is the case is because the church is attributing to government

00:07:09.480 the mistaken attributes that they have about God. And what I mean by that is that

00:07:14.380 the sovereignty of God is what's getting lost in all this. So the church has now developed a mindset

00:07:20.620 by which we think that no one should suffer, no one should have any needs, that the church is involved

00:07:28.780 in meeting every single conceivable need that anyone has, whether it be inside the church or

00:07:35.880 outside the church. But when we really understand God and His nature, then we realize that number one,

00:07:42.280 God is sovereign. Then number two, God, His goal is to bring glory to Himself, not to us. And a lot of

00:07:49.700 times He brings glory to Himself through suffering. He brings glory to Himself through want. But we're

00:07:56.740 not satisfied with that because we don't understand that aspect of God's character. So not understanding

00:08:02.740 that. We look to government to do for us what God has said no to in our lives. So we sort of

00:08:10.660 assuage God, or rather we relieve God of His sovereignty, and then we impart His sovereignty

00:08:16.580 to government. And then we've developed this sort of paternalistic, maternalistic view of government

00:08:21.480 that, well, if God won't give me what I want, I'll just look to the government to do it. And that's

00:08:26.200 wrong for the church to do.

00:08:27.560 I also think it's a case of mistaken identity. It seems like over the past, I mean, it's probably

00:08:34.380 existed longer, but especially over the past 10 years, this idea of intersectionality and the

00:08:40.660 politics of grievance and really the gospel of grievance has kind of taken over of instead of

00:08:47.080 seeing ourselves as Christians, as new creations, our identity being in Christ, being more than conquerors

00:08:52.760 in Christ. We firstly identify ourselves by the way that we have been oppressed. So, and this is the

00:08:59.960 world of intersectionality. I'm a woman. So I have to see the world through the eyes of a woman who has

00:09:05.920 been systemically oppressed at one point. And so it's important for me to be a Christian feminist.

00:09:12.040 And then you've got people in, or you've got people of color saying, well, I'm an immigrant or I'm a

00:09:18.480 black person. And so I'm a black Christian. I'm an immigrant, I'm an immigrant Christian. And we see

00:09:24.940 the world and we see justice through eyes of, through the eyes of how we have been, uh, maybe

00:09:31.880 oppressed, maybe not, maybe just someone that we know has been oppressed. And we kind of fixate our

00:09:37.180 theology around that, around perceived oppression. That's where you kind of get this argument for

00:09:42.560 racial reparations and things like that. Uh, tell me why that is misguided.

00:09:50.100 Well, first of all, it's misguided because I know I don't want to take too long to respond to

00:09:55.340 these questions, but, but it does have many, many facets. Number one, none of us is self-created.

00:10:01.780 Okay. Each of us was created by God and by virtue of our not being self-created, we have no

00:10:09.040 say so, nor can we take any credit with respect to whatever attributes we may possess with respect

00:10:16.100 to ethnicity, with respect to our sex. Uh, the apostle Paul says in one of his epistles,

00:10:21.680 you know, what do you have that you have not received where our very identity, every single

00:10:26.380 aspect of who we are from an identity standpoint was sovereignly, uh, uh, created for us by God

00:10:34.440 himself. Uh, and to whatever extent, and, and oppression is such a, a subjective term. I don't

00:10:41.000 even know if there's an objective definition for how that term is being defined because it's being

00:10:45.620 tossed around. So, so frivolously, but to whatever extent someone does suffer oppression, number one,

00:10:52.780 we should expect that in a sinful world. I really don't understand why oppression is so, uh, surprising

00:10:59.100 as a reality to so many people. We live in a sinful world. This world is populated by sinners.

00:11:03.720 You and I are two sinners who are talking to one another here. Uh, so to whatever degree, uh,

00:11:10.360 oppression still exists, whether it's ethnic or some other type, we should not be surprised by that, 1.00

00:11:16.740 which is why we need the gospel so much because the gospel changes hearts. Changing laws doesn't do

00:11:22.660 a thing to change a heart. It has nothing to do with that. We can put all kinds of laws on the books,

00:11:27.540 but what, what makes a law effective, what makes laws effectual are hearts that are inclined to

00:11:35.560 obey them. Right. If your heart isn't inclined to obey the law, you get absolutely no benefit

00:11:40.720 from that law. Right. Um, so, so, so, so, but, but the hyphenations that we just keep coming with,

00:11:47.820 it's as if there's a new term, a new hyphenation, uh, every day. The church should never be divided along

00:11:55.080 those lines. The church is comprised of believers in Christ. So, so essentially there's two types of

00:12:00.300 people. There's believers and there's unbelievers. And our job as believers is to get the gospel out

00:12:06.740 to unbelievers so that they don't spend an eternity separated from God. That's the bottom line.

00:12:12.460 Yeah. Is there a place do you think for Christians to fight for legislation that is just, for example,

00:12:21.220 abortion? We know that abortion is, is morally wrong. And so I'm a pro-life advocate and I'm sure

00:12:28.580 like you, um, actually I know because I heard you talk about it, something like the born alive

00:12:33.600 survivors protection act or the third term abortion that has been legalized and even glorified on the

00:12:39.680 left. Of course, Christians feel called to say, okay, this, this is wrong. And we need to enact 0.97

00:12:45.200 legislation to take care of the least of these. Um, tell me how that is different from someone from 0.94

00:12:52.340 a woke Christian who would say, well, it's the same thing when I'm trying to push for social justice

00:12:57.240 legislation. I don't think it's the same thing, but some people might argue that it is.

00:13:01.900 Yeah. I don't think it's the same thing either. I think, uh, I think one of my most dogmatic

00:13:06.540 arguments against this whole social justice movement is that scripture does not, uh, place

00:13:12.760 adjectives in front of the word justice. When you read through scripture, there's either justice

00:13:17.500 or there's injustice. When we obey God, there's justice. When we disobey God, there's injustice.

00:13:23.660 So with regard to justice or, or I'll just use it for the sake of conversation, social justice,

00:13:30.280 uh, and abortion, the answer is the same. Uh, if, if, if there's a scriptural basis for those things,

00:13:37.700 and there is, we must, first of all, I don't like the word fight because the scripture doesn't tell us

00:13:44.240 to fight for anything. It tells us to do justice. It tells us to not, it tells us to not kill the

00:13:49.900 innocent, uh, including children through abortion. So scripture is clear on that. So with respect to

00:13:56.280 what scripture says, uh, uh, about, uh, pursuing justice, pursuing legislation, um, I would say

00:14:03.960 those things are secondary to sharing and preaching the gospel, which changes hearts so that they are

00:14:11.820 inclined to number one, support candidates who support those biblical mandates. Um, the truth is,

00:14:20.060 Allie, we have Christians out here right now who are voting for candidates who support the murder 0.97

00:14:25.860 of unborn children. Um, not understanding what the Bible says about that. So, so their motive for

00:14:31.780 going to the polls and voting is not a biblical or theological motive to begin with. It's more

00:14:37.640 political, it's more social, it's more cultural. Um, so I think it's important for us to use biblical

00:14:44.240 terminology when we're talking about justice and things of these nature, nowhere in scripture does

00:14:48.920 it tell us to fight for justice. But to the extent that, that that phraseology is used, um, Christians

00:14:56.140 are to line up behind candidates who are biblical in their worldview. And it's a biblical worldview that

00:15:03.540 shapes within you a biblical political ideology. And we should vote for candidates whose lives align

00:15:12.540 with that worldview. So would you say their personal lives align with that worldview? Cause that's also, you know,

00:15:19.780 that's also hard for a lot of Christians on the Republican side, because there are certain Republican

00:15:25.240 politicians who advocate for the policies that we believe in, but whose personal lives do not align with the

00:15:31.340 Bible at all. Do you think that, so where, where do you think that are, let me rephrase that. How do you think

00:15:38.740 Christians should approach that? You've got a candidate that, you know, isn't Christ-like, but he's going to 0.91

00:15:43.480 fight for the things that you believe should be fought for, like pro-life legislation. How do you

00:15:47.880 think Christians should approach that? Yeah, my, I can answer that question from a personal perspective.

00:15:52.860 My personal ethos on that is that I would not support a candidate who aligned with every single

00:15:59.560 political position I happen to hold, but his personal life is a wreck. If his personal life is fraught with sin,

00:16:06.240 unrepentant sin, and there's, there's objective evidence to substantiate that, I really don't care what his

00:16:15.060 political positions are, because his primary, if this is, if this is a professing Christian, his primary

00:16:22.660 responsibility is to live his life personally as a testament to what Christ has done in his heart. Whatever he does

00:16:32.160 politically is secondary to that. So if there's fruit in his life that denies his profession,

00:16:40.540 it really doesn't matter to me what his political positions are at that point.

00:16:44.540 Yeah, I think that can be very difficult. There seems to be a line between, okay, this person is a 0.99

00:16:52.280 professing Christian and his life generally aligns with it, but there is that one thing over,

00:16:56.960 over here that I'm not so sure is Christ-like. And then, because you do have people saying, well,

00:17:03.400 okay, this guy over here, actually, I heard a Christian teacher say recently that they were 0.97

00:17:08.540 talking about, uh, someone asked him about Trump and he said, you know, Trump is a very immoral person,

00:17:13.700 but then someone asked him about Barack Obama and he said, great guy, great guy. Now this is a guy who 0.74

00:17:18.840 is outspokenly pro-life. And so it's, I think it can be very difficult for Christians to find that

00:17:27.400 balance. You know, do you have to pick and choose? Do you have to ever compromise? Is not voting an

00:17:33.460 option? It's a hard thing to work through. Do you think so? Yeah. I don't, I don't think not voting is

00:17:38.280 ever an option for a Christian. I don't think not, but I think you bring up a great point. Sometimes 0.78

00:17:42.260 there's a line we have to, uh, we have to cross. Uh, but in crossing that line, however, we have to

00:17:48.480 trust God again, that he is sovereign, uh, in, uh, because the scripture is clear, right? That those

00:17:53.640 who, uh, rule over us in government are sovereignly appointed to those positions by God. Uh, and, and,

00:18:00.160 and God is watching over everything that happens within the entirety of his universe. So in those

00:18:06.900 situations, yeah, there can be certain times where we feel we have to compromise, but we have to do

00:18:12.080 so trusting God to do that. And I think, I'm glad to hear you bring up, um, uh, Obama because it was, 0.69

00:18:18.920 um, you know, I don't know the man personally, I've never met him, but it was through my, uh,

00:18:25.840 biblical worldview that I chose not to support him. Um, to me, if the candidate does not hold to a

00:18:31.620 biblical worldview, I cannot support that person. Um, each person must vote according to their own 0.99

00:18:37.640 conscience, but for the Christian, there are clear scriptural guidelines and precepts that we should

00:18:45.140 and must follow in deciding which candidates we support. And Barack Obama was absolutely one of

00:18:53.460 the candidates where it was just overtly, uh, clear that no Christian, no genuine Christian should 0.98

00:19:01.220 ever have supported this man. Okay. There's one more thing I want to talk to you about, but I don't

00:19:06.680 want to ruin, I don't want to ruin this subject for listeners who need to go listen to your podcast

00:19:12.200 from this week, but you did a podcast called the theology of socialism. And I would love to hear

00:19:19.580 you talk about that a little bit. Like I said, I don't want to spoil it for everyone, but with AOC

00:19:24.880 and the popularization of socialism, particularly among millennials and among millennial evangelicals,

00:19:31.380 I, I have friends who have said, you know, the typical thing, Jesus was a socialist. Well,

00:19:37.460 you and I know that's not true, but tell me, tell me why, uh, socialism is, um, unbiblical. If you would

00:19:46.180 say that. Yeah. So, uh, socialism is basically just legalized theft and biblically speaking, everyone

00:19:54.900 knows that stealing is wrong. Uh, the scripture is very, very clear, uh, with respect to the principle

00:20:01.900 of private property, private ownership of property, hence the eighth commandment, thou shall not steal.

00:20:07.160 So intrinsic with that commandment is the idea of private property. There are certain things that

00:20:13.140 belong to you, Allie, that don't belong to me, uh, uh, or anyone else. Uh, so, uh, we, you know,

00:20:19.160 you take, uh, Christ's interaction with the, uh, rich young ruler when the, uh, rich young ruler was,

00:20:25.760 um, asked by Christ to, uh, sell off his, all of, all of his possessions and give to the poor. So even

00:20:31.700 Christ acknowledged that the wealth that the ruler had was his wealth. Um, and even after the rich young

00:20:38.460 ruler declined Jesus's invitation to come follow him, Jesus didn't force or coerce the ruler to go

00:20:44.440 and sell his possessions. Uh, so yes, socialism is inherently unbiblical because it is legalized

00:20:52.160 theft. And in the podcast episode that we did on the biblical theology of socialism, we took almost

00:20:58.080 two hours to unpack reasons why that's the case. Yeah. And I think that that's a hard thing for people

00:21:05.460 to hear because it's easy. It's easy to believe that socialism is the compassionate thing to do.

00:21:12.560 One, because most millennials, younger millennials have no concept of money and taxes and redistribution. 0.70

00:21:19.880 They're just kind of politically and financially ignorant, but you've got a lot of young people.

00:21:24.700 I know that you've covered kind of the theological trends in this country. You've got a lot of young 0.96

00:21:28.480 people that also don't know theology, so they don't know politics. They don't know theology,

00:21:32.280 but what they do know is their feelings. And it feels really good to say, I'm willing to pay for

00:21:39.520 someone else's health care. Of course, I'm willing to pay for someone else's college,

00:21:43.040 or at least I want someone to pay for mine. That would be great. Um, I've all, I've always said

00:21:47.820 that socialism and social justice allows millennials to feel virtuous without ever having to get off the

00:21:53.820 couch. And I think that's why you have a lot of, you know, a lot of support around that ideology as

00:22:02.040 well as around people like Bernie Sanders and AOC and even Beto O'Rourke. Um, because it feels good.

00:22:09.780 Yeah. And you actually mentioned, uh, the contradiction that, uh, that is, is unavoidable

00:22:15.220 with folks who, uh, subscribe to a socialist worldview. So for that, for that millennial who

00:22:20.700 wants to feel virtuous without leaving the couch, you see, the Bible also talks much about the sin of

00:22:27.180 laziness. So you can't have it both ways. You can't have the benefits of socialism without

00:22:32.760 contributing to, uh, what makes socialism possible. And see that that's, that's, that's just such a

00:22:38.520 contradiction within socialism is that you need capitalism in order to have socialism. But how,

00:22:43.420 how do you get socialism without producers? If everyone were to take that attitude of that

00:22:48.640 particular millennial and just say, hi, I'm just going to lay here on the couch. I mean, you start,

00:22:52.540 everyone was starved to death. So somebody's got to work. Somebody's got to work and somebody's got

00:22:57.020 to work for profit. Yeah. Somebody has to work for profit. If, if, if that's not the reality,

00:23:02.560 then socialism just disappears, but it is inherently unbiblical. And the reason why I'm glad you mentioned 0.97

00:23:08.740 this is because we don't know theology. We don't know what the Bible says about this, these things,

00:23:14.860 which is why we took so long to exposit that subject within the framework of what the Bible does

00:23:21.960 say about it. Yeah. I think everyone who is, has questions about this subject,

00:23:26.560 confused about the subject should go to the just thinking podcast and listen to this episode.

00:23:32.260 Maybe you have to take two commutes to listen to it since it's, uh, since you said it's two hours

00:23:37.200 long, but I think that that is a good step that people can take. Also what I tell people whenever

00:23:42.020 they say, how do I fight against this kind of like woke theology that sounds so good? I say,

00:23:46.820 read your Bible, read your Bible and understand your Bible. That's really, I think what is missing in

00:23:52.520 so much of this. Yeah, I would agree, Ellie. And that's all I do. That's all I do in my social

00:23:57.940 media posts, my blog. That's all we do on the podcast. We open the word of God and we exposit

00:24:03.080 what the word of God has to say about these subjects. And as I've often said, there's not

00:24:07.780 a single subject that we face in our lives today that the Bible does not speak to. The Bible speaks

00:24:13.500 to every single topic, everything, every single issue that the church encounters today, uh,

00:24:19.240 is in there. If we just took the time to become better students, better theologians,

00:24:24.560 better apologists, every person who professes the name of Christ is a theologian. Every person

00:24:30.900 who professes to believe in Jesus Christ is an apologist. And we must be more disciplined,

00:24:37.040 more diligent to spend time in the study of God's word so that we can be better defenders

00:24:41.540 of his truths against these heretical, uh, worldviews that are going to come against us, such as woke

00:24:48.320 theology, socialism. And you know, what's next around the corner is communism. That's going to

00:24:53.300 be the next wave. Um, and the church is not immune to that. The only way we can be immune to that

00:24:58.820 is to know what the word of God says about these issues.

00:25:01.940 And unfortunately you have people who purport to know the word of God well, who are, if they're not

00:25:07.740 all out supporting these kinds of socialistic, communistic ideas, they are at least, um,

00:25:14.280 they are warm to them and they're silent to them and they don't see how social justice

00:25:19.700 is actually connected to all of it. Um, so yeah, yeah. Yeah. And just on that note, uh,

00:25:27.080 Al, you know, one of my, when the whole, uh, social justice, uh, whenever I'm in a discussion

00:25:32.040 around social justice and someone who is a Christian is sort of dog mad, they bought into 1.00

00:25:36.580 the whole, uh, social justice movement. I like to bring up the encounter between Jesus and John the

00:25:42.140 Baptist where John the Baptist was unjustly in prison, right? So he's in prison unjustly.

00:25:47.940 And he sends a couple of his disciples to Jesus to ask him, listen, Jesus, I know I'm about to die.

00:25:54.360 I know my death is impending. I just need to ask you, are you really the one we've been expecting

00:25:59.400 or do we need to expect someone else? Well, Jesus sent his answer back to John and said, go back and

00:26:04.660 tell John what you have seen and what you've heard. You, you, you've seen the deaf here. You've 1.00

00:26:09.020 seen the blind, you've seen the blind see, you've seen the lame walk. But lastly of that list,

00:26:15.140 Jesus said, you've also seen that the poor had the gospel preached to them. Now, why do I bring

00:26:20.780 this up? Because even Jesus realized that you can heal the lame, you can heal the blind, you can

00:26:27.000 heal the deaf, you can feed the hungry, you can, uh, house the homeless. But ultimately what every

00:26:32.780 person needs more importantly than any of that is to hear the gospel because even the poor die.

00:26:38.720 And even eternity is awaiting the poor. So what's, what's, what Jesus was conveying to us is that

00:26:44.780 more important than anything in this temporal existence is your spiritual condition. Where's

00:26:51.940 your soul headed after you die? And, and even after responding to John, Jesus didn't free John. He

00:26:57.460 could have freed John from prison because he was there unjustly. No, he didn't. Jesus chose to allow

00:27:03.140 John to suffer the execution of death, being beheaded. Now the social justician must argue,

00:27:11.000 well, why didn't Jesus do that? Why didn't he free John? He was there unjustly. But that goes back to

00:27:16.340 my point earlier, God and his sovereignty uses even evil and unjust, uh, actions, laws, policies to bring

00:27:27.720 glory to himself. And our job is to obey God, regardless of the situation that we found ourselves

00:27:34.340 right. So to, to make sure that I have this clear for everyone, just in summary, as we kind of wrap

00:27:42.360 this up, uh, yes, it is good to believe in an advocate for policies, legislation that are actually

00:27:51.620 just not social justice, but actual justice. So that is the unborn, but our primary obligation is

00:28:00.480 always to preach the gospel, which changes hearts. It's not that we shouldn't care about legislation

00:28:05.680 at all, or shouldn't care about justice at all. It's that we know that the primary problem is a heart

00:28:11.240 problem is a sin problem, not a legislation problem. Correct. Exactly. That's the primary

00:28:17.780 problem. Listen, that's the root cause of every sin that we encounter. Listen, that's the root cause of

00:28:23.700 adultery and marriage. That's the root cause of child abuse. That's the root cause of in biblical 0.98

00:28:29.920 injustice. That is the root cause of every single thing that's wrong in this world. But again, we

00:28:36.080 should expect that in a world that is populated by sinners. And the only way to resolve that is for

00:28:42.500 folks' hearts to be transformed by the power of the gospel. And that is our primary job. And you're

00:28:49.120 doing a fantastic job, for example, through your podcast and getting the gospel out through this

00:28:54.500 means. People's hearts must change. And until then, we should expect what we continue to see happen in

00:29:01.000 our world each and every day, unfortunately. Amen. Well, can you tell everyone where they can find you

00:29:07.160 and anything you want them to know? Yeah. So the podcast, again, is Just Thinking. Whether you have

00:29:14.500 Android or iTunes, you can go out in your podcast app and search for Just Thinking. You can also

00:29:21.280 go to my blog at Just Thinking. That's one word, Just Thinking dot me. You can read my blog articles and

00:29:28.880 there's a link there that will connect you to the podcast as well. So there you go.

00:29:34.640 Perfect. Well, Daryl, thank you so much for taking the time. I know you're busy. You've got a lot going

00:29:39.560 on, but I appreciate everything you do. And I'm excited for my listeners who haven't heard of

00:29:44.000 the podcast quite yet. I'm sure there's a lot that already have, but any who haven't

00:29:47.840 to check you guys out because you guys are an awesome resource.

00:29:52.220 Allie, thanks so much. Stay strong. Congratulations on your pregnancy. I'm praying for you,

00:29:57.400 your husband. And thanks again for having me on today. It was my privilege, seriously.

00:30:01.540 Absolutely. He is so wise, knows his Bible so well. I could listen to him talk all day. There

00:30:07.820 were things that he said that I hadn't thought about or hadn't considered that I still kind of

00:30:12.560 have to think about myself and how I apply biblical theology to how I see politics and how I advocate

00:30:21.360 for policies and legislation. So this is stuff that I'm still learning that we're all kind of working

00:30:27.200 through together. And I appreciate you guys being on this journey with me. If you have any questions

00:30:32.100 about this particular episode or any suggestions about future podcast episodes, as always, feel

00:30:39.620 free to email me, ali at the conservative millennial blog.com. Message me on Instagram email. I'm more

00:30:45.540 likely to see it there. I've gotten a lot of great emails from you guys over this past week. I hope that

00:30:50.240 you have enjoyed the first week of Monday, Wednesday, Friday, relatable. Uh, remember Monday is going to

00:30:57.120 be a little bit different than it was this week. Instead of being exclusively news, we're going to

00:31:01.340 look at things from a biblical, uh, theological Christian perspective starting on a Monday. So

00:31:06.240 you can start fresh and inspired and motivated by the word of God. Um, and then Wednesday will be more

00:31:14.320 news. And then Friday, of course, will be another conversation. I think I'll bring my husband on the

00:31:18.120 podcast next week. Uh, okay. Love you guys. Hope that you have an awesome, wonderful, beautiful weekend.

00:31:24.460 Thank you for listening. Leave a review if you would like, and happy Friday.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 15, 2019

Ep 86 ｜ Woke Christianity

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