Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - August 24, 2023


Ep 862 ｜ Can Christians Be Evolutionists？ ｜ Guest： Ken Ham (Part Two)


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30 minutes

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170.57364

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424

Misogynist Sentences

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18


Summary

Ken Ham, CEO and Founder of Answers in Genesis, is back with us to discuss the age of the earth, climate change, evolution, and the creation of the Bible. This is part two of our two-part conversation.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Can we reconcile science with the Bible?
00:00:03.540 What do we do with scientists' claims about the climate, about the age of the earth, about
00:00:09.080 evolution?
00:00:10.300 What is the real basis for their beliefs?
00:00:13.320 What is the basis for Darwin's beliefs?
00:00:17.220 Why does any of this matter?
00:00:19.760 Why do Christians have to get Genesis 1 through 11 right to get any of the rest of it right?
00:00:25.420 But Ken Ham is back with us today, the CEO and founder of Answers in Genesis, to answer
00:00:32.320 these questions for us.
00:00:33.780 This is part two of our two-part conversation.
00:00:37.260 We're going to get right into it, continuing an answer from the end of yesterday's episode
00:00:44.020 right at the top.
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00:00:55.420 You will find, Allie, people get pretty emotional about this issue of the age of the earth.
00:01:06.520 They really get emotional about it because there's a lot of people, I even find in the
00:01:11.260 church, that will say, yeah, I don't believe in evolution, but the earth has to be millions
00:01:15.220 of years old.
00:01:16.480 We have been so indoctrinated by the secularists in millions of years, and I'll tell you why.
00:01:22.200 It's like, I mean, I've seen Richard Dawkins when he's been told by someone that they don't
00:01:28.320 believe in evolution and so on, and he'll mock them a little bit, but as soon as they
00:01:31.980 say they don't believe in millions of years and they believe in thousands of years, I mean,
00:01:36.900 it goes ballistic.
00:01:38.120 And the reason is this.
00:01:39.340 Why is that?
00:01:40.260 If they don't have their millions and billions of years, they can't postulate the idea of
00:01:46.120 evolution, because if you've only got thousands of years, how do you try to come up with an
00:01:53.760 idea of explaining how life arose unless it was created, as the Bible says?
00:01:58.740 And if the Bible's right, then God owns us because he created us.
00:02:03.140 Then he sets the rules that marriage is one man and one woman, that abortion is murder.
00:02:09.000 There's only two genders of humans.
00:02:11.100 We're all one race, there aren't any different races, the implications are enormous, and people
00:02:18.360 want to be their own God, which is what Genesis 3.5 says, so therefore they have to have their
00:02:25.420 millions of years.
00:02:26.980 See, how do you try to convince someone that a process that is impossible is probable?
00:02:33.180 Given enough time, anything happens.
00:02:37.560 Because Darwin looked at the fact animals change, and they do.
00:02:41.940 Dogs change into dogs.
00:02:43.780 Cats change into cats.
00:02:46.000 But given enough time, and those changes just represent the genetic diversity God built in
00:02:50.660 our DNA.
00:02:52.600 But Darwin, he didn't understand genetics, but Darwin looked at changes, and like those finches,
00:02:59.840 the Galapagos finches, the famous Darwin finches.
00:03:01.900 What do they find?
00:03:03.560 Finches with big beaks, little beaks, medium-sized beaks.
00:03:06.220 Finches a little smaller, bigger, medium-sized.
00:03:09.680 So what would they used to be?
00:03:11.800 Finches.
00:03:12.640 What are they?
00:03:13.240 Finches.
00:03:13.940 What will they be?
00:03:14.740 Finches.
00:03:16.020 That's just variation in finches.
00:03:18.560 And different species of finches.
00:03:20.740 And they say, well, they came from the mainland, and then, well, what happened?
00:03:25.460 See, parts of evolution in that sense are true, the parts that they can observe.
00:03:30.920 Like, what you call natural selection is actually true.
00:03:34.920 It actually happens.
00:03:36.380 So you can imagine, with finches, you get all these variations.
00:03:39.920 Some have smaller beaks, some have bigger beaks, like humans.
00:03:42.080 Some have smaller beaks, some have bigger beaks.
00:03:44.560 So the smaller beak ones thrive on food here, but the bigger beak ones thrive on food over
00:03:51.260 here.
00:03:51.520 As they separate out, and depending on which mates with which, you could get you different
00:03:55.800 species, because the information was already there in the genes.
00:03:59.400 That's called natural selection.
00:04:01.280 That's how you get these different species.
00:04:03.700 But Darwin said, given enough time, as these changes continue, one kind will change into
00:04:10.300 another.
00:04:11.060 That's what's impossible.
00:04:12.540 That's what you don't see.
00:04:13.640 Yeah, and so the evolutionists, and this is probably just like an ignorant question, because
00:04:19.540 I don't know enough about it, but they do believe that from the time of, you know, the
00:04:24.160 Big Bang, or whatever they want to call it, we all evolved from basically like a tadpole-like
00:04:30.800 creature, correct?
00:04:32.000 Or stardust, and then like the tadpole-like creature, right?
00:04:35.980 I mean, that's pretty fantastical, and yet, of course, they think it's very scientific.
00:04:39.460 Yeah, well, it's interesting.
00:04:42.700 When I debated Bill Nye, first of all, one of the questions at the end by a 10-year-old
00:04:46.540 boy was, where did matter come from?
00:04:48.580 Yeah.
00:04:49.000 And he says, I don't know, it's a mystery.
00:04:50.940 And I said, well, Bill, we have a book that tells us where matter came from, In the Beginning
00:04:54.540 God Created.
00:04:55.800 See, people who are atheists mock at us as Christians for believing in an eternal God.
00:05:01.780 What do they believe?
00:05:02.480 In eternal matter?
00:05:03.600 Yeah, right.
00:05:04.560 Right?
00:05:04.980 Why is there anything?
00:05:06.480 Why is there space?
00:05:07.400 Why is there matter?
00:05:08.040 Why is there energy?
00:05:09.460 The laws of nature that we all operate by, the laws of mathematics, the laws of chemistry,
00:05:16.180 they're immaterial.
00:05:17.700 They're not material.
00:05:19.900 Evolutionists are claiming that everything is basically material, but we've got immaterial
00:05:24.880 laws, and they stay constant where they come from.
00:05:28.740 Why should they even be there?
00:05:30.700 And so they believe that somehow matter existed, and then somehow there's this big bang, and
00:05:37.920 you're right.
00:05:38.380 They believe we all came from stardust.
00:05:39.880 They actually say that.
00:05:40.720 And so somehow the earth eventually forms, and then somehow we get water, and somehow matter
00:05:50.100 produces life, which just sounds like, oh, well, maybe matter produced life.
00:05:54.400 Life is built on information and code systems.
00:05:57.200 DNA is like a library of books, and there's a code system to read the information.
00:06:02.920 We've never seen matter produce one bit of information.
00:06:06.560 Matter can't produce a code.
00:06:09.600 Life has zillions of bits of information.
00:06:13.360 I mean, evolution is impossible.
00:06:16.520 And then they say, somehow life arose in the oceans.
00:06:20.720 Somehow, then more and more new information gets put into the DNA, so it crawls out on the
00:06:28.320 land.
00:06:29.200 Over millions of years, there's more and more information added.
00:06:32.120 We've never seen matter produce one bit, and produces all these different kinds, until
00:06:37.220 eventually, here we are sitting in a studio, talking.
00:06:50.720 And what's their explanation for why eventually this evolution stopped?
00:06:57.060 Like, obviously, there's still monkeys, and so they didn't all evolve into humans, and
00:07:02.020 we're not going to turn into another species.
00:07:04.280 So what do they say to that?
00:07:05.300 Okay, so they'll say a number of things, right?
00:07:08.560 First of all, they say, we didn't evolve from apes.
00:07:11.660 Oh, okay.
00:07:12.640 They say, apes and humans evolved from a common ancestor, which when you ask what it looked
00:07:18.400 like, they draw an ape.
00:07:20.720 But they say that we come from a common ancestor.
00:07:24.600 So, okay, do they believe that man continues to evolve?
00:07:29.440 Yes, they do believe man continues to evolve.
00:07:31.620 In fact, if you think about what we said about Margaret Sanger and Hitler, they believe that
00:07:36.520 we can continue to evolve, and we can now control our own evolution and make things better.
00:07:41.860 Master race.
00:07:42.420 And, you know, ultimately, here's what's fascinating.
00:07:46.340 Ultimately, what do the secularists believe?
00:07:49.900 Ultimately, the whole universe goes away, dies.
00:07:53.660 Dies a heat death.
00:07:54.920 Everything runs down.
00:07:56.600 And so we'll all disappear anyway.
00:07:58.660 So life is totally meaningless and purposelessness.
00:08:01.360 So what's the point?
00:08:03.100 You know, I said to Bill Nye, what happens when you die, Bill?
00:08:06.240 He says, when you die, you're done.
00:08:08.220 I said, well, if when you die, you're done, you won't even know you're here, right?
00:08:11.240 No.
00:08:12.060 You won't know anything ever existed.
00:08:13.560 You won't even know you existed.
00:08:15.180 Well, what's the point of fighting creationists?
00:08:16.860 Why does it even matter?
00:08:18.140 Yeah.
00:08:18.460 Except it's a spiritual issue.
00:08:21.100 Because underneath, they know.
00:08:22.840 And that's what I was going to ask, is that if they believe that basically disaster, destruction
00:08:27.780 is inevitable, and that nothing really matters.
00:08:30.060 I mean, they talk about babies in the womb being clumps of cells, but really what they
00:08:33.500 believe is that everyone is just clumps of cells.
00:08:35.280 We're all just clumps of matter without any real meaning.
00:08:39.540 That also goes back to why they believe you can change your gender, because there's no
00:08:42.680 telos of the body.
00:08:44.600 There's no creator that gave us any purpose.
00:08:47.420 But I wonder, as you asked, why?
00:08:50.160 Like, why did they say they need to fight climate change?
00:08:52.600 Why did they say they need to push for things like inclusiveness and all of that?
00:08:57.140 If it really doesn't matter, why?
00:09:00.820 And why does it matter if a Christian believes what they believe?
00:09:03.560 You know, it's like, you know, when I'm talking to some of these sorts of people, and, you
00:09:11.740 know, I've spoken to people who come up to me and said, well, I believe in gay marriage.
00:09:15.220 I say, okay.
00:09:16.020 He said, well, what do you believe?
00:09:17.420 And I say, well, I'm a Christian.
00:09:19.100 I start from the Bible.
00:09:20.180 And then they say, well, I don't believe the Bible, so don't give me that stuff.
00:09:24.120 So I say, but I do believe the Bible.
00:09:27.200 I'm a Christian.
00:09:27.880 So let me ask you a question.
00:09:29.260 What do you believe?
00:09:30.580 Why do you believe the Bible is wrong?
00:09:32.080 Tell me, why do you believe in right and wrong?
00:09:34.760 Or do you believe in right and wrong?
00:09:36.160 Can anyone else have the same right and wrong as you?
00:09:38.380 Or should they?
00:09:39.220 Should you determine that their right and wrong is the same as yours?
00:09:42.280 Or how do you decide that?
00:09:44.400 And if everything's subjective, then what if people say, types like you, we don't like,
00:09:49.480 we're going to eliminate you.
00:09:50.620 Do they have a right to do that?
00:09:52.020 If not, why not?
00:09:53.520 I mean, where are you going to draw the line here?
00:09:56.040 And you see, that's the point.
00:09:57.120 Non-Christians can never be consistent when talking about morality, ever.
00:10:01.960 They can't be.
00:10:02.940 Because they're going to talk about something good or something bad or what's right or whatever.
00:10:08.400 And it's all subjective.
00:10:10.440 They have no absolute basis for it.
00:10:12.760 And so in the long run, it's all purposeless.
00:10:16.360 It's meaningless.
00:10:18.040 And that's why society will collapse as they continue to propagate their information and to be able to indoctrinate all these younger generations who will start to realize what's the purpose of all this?
00:10:32.380 And why not end it now and get it over and done with instead of suffering here?
00:10:37.240 And so that's what happens.
00:10:38.860 That's what it leads to.
00:10:39.680 Absolutely.
00:10:41.120 I think the first time I thought about what you're talking about is when I read Mere Christianity in high school.
00:10:46.400 And he talks about the same thing, that those who say that they don't believe in any kind of an objective right and wrong, that it's cultural relativism or even on an individual basis, that people decide what's right for them.
00:10:57.820 People decide what a woman is.
00:10:59.220 People decide what they identify as.
00:11:01.680 And he talks about how everyone, whether they say so or not, they do believe in objective reality.
00:11:07.300 If I drew a picture, I can't draw.
00:11:09.820 But if I could draw and I said, this is New York City, but it looks nothing like New York City.
00:11:13.960 It looked like Kansas City.
00:11:15.360 Someone who's been to New York City would say, that's not New York City.
00:11:19.060 And then maybe they would see a picture of Times Square and say, that does look like New York City.
00:11:23.440 So what you're admitting is that there is an objective truth, and some things are closer to that objective truth than not.
00:11:31.060 And it's not just true in the material world, it's also true in the moral world.
00:11:34.580 And everyone knows it.
00:11:35.580 You won't find many atheists today who will say Nazism was right for them, but it's not right for us.
00:11:42.500 And I've never gotten an atheist, and I have atheists on this show.
00:11:46.980 That's the question I want to ask.
00:11:48.260 Like, why do you think some things are wrong?
00:11:50.440 What makes it wrong?
00:11:51.560 I've never, ever, ever gotten a solid answer.
00:11:54.340 Because they can't be consistent with their atheism.
00:11:57.760 That's the bottom line.
00:12:00.320 Because, you know, and there's another aspect to it.
00:12:03.820 And that is that Romans 2 tells us the law is written on our hearts.
00:12:08.400 We have a conscience, and so we know.
00:12:11.460 Now, what the evolutionists will say is, evolution evolved some sort of conscience for us, so we inherently know what's right and what's wrong.
00:12:19.680 But wait a minute, if it happened by chance, random processes, how can you trust that anyway?
00:12:23.880 You can't trust it.
00:12:25.300 Because how do you know it evolved the right way?
00:12:27.320 How do you know, therefore, it's the right conscience or the right morality?
00:12:31.860 You don't know that, and that's just your subjective statement anyway.
00:12:35.400 And so it all becomes ridiculous.
00:12:38.660 It's all insanity in the long run, as you think about it.
00:12:41.880 The only thing that makes sense, ultimately, is there's a God who created everything, and it's the God of the Bible.
00:12:47.680 He's given us that history in there to tell us who we are, where we came from, what our problem is, what the solution is.
00:12:55.120 And that's really what it's all about, and that's what they want to reject.
00:12:59.220 And, you know, Ali, as I've looked at even the emotionalism in regard to the abortion movement and so on, it really comes down to people who want to justify doing whatever they want with sex.
00:13:13.220 They want to justify doing anything they want, everything right in their own eyes, and get rid of the consequences, and be able to be their own God.
00:13:24.160 That's really what's going on.
00:13:25.760 And that's really why they're so emotional about it.
00:13:29.220 And it's part of their rebellion against God.
00:13:31.260 And that's why something like the theory of the Earth being millions of years old and the Big Bang, that's why they've been able to get away with, is you so powerfully just outlined for us that somehow this happened, somehow this happened.
00:13:57.880 And it's like, how does an idea, a belief system based on so many some hows, reach a place of prominence and influence and sophistication so that if anyone doesn't believe that, they're seen as kind of stupid barbarians.
00:14:13.640 And, you know, the only answer to that is it's a spiritual issue.
00:14:17.060 Exactly.
00:14:17.720 Because the Bible says there's more in the broad way than the narrow way.
00:14:20.660 Men love the darkness rather than light.
00:14:23.720 And so they don't want the truth.
00:14:26.260 The God of this world has blinded the eyes of them which believe not.
00:14:30.280 And that's what the Scripture says.
00:14:31.940 It's a blindness.
00:14:32.740 You know, as I look at some of the decisions being made, even by our politicians and that now, and it's so illogical.
00:14:38.440 It doesn't even make sense.
00:14:40.280 And you say, how could it be so illogical?
00:14:42.540 I believe it's their hardened heart.
00:14:44.560 It's like Pharaoh.
00:14:45.800 You know, as Moses came to Pharaoh and did these miracles before Pharaoh that God enabled him to do, because God was doing the miracle, of course.
00:14:55.100 And he saw this happen.
00:14:58.760 And, you know, even his magicians tried to copy some of them, but then they couldn't do the others.
00:15:04.960 And then what does the Bible say?
00:15:07.380 God hardened Pharaoh's heart.
00:15:09.140 In other words, he just refused.
00:15:10.540 He just refused.
00:15:11.180 Think about the New Testament.
00:15:13.300 When Jesus raised Lazarus from the dead, the religious leaders were so angry, they wanted to kill Lazarus and get rid of the evidence.
00:15:21.740 That's what they wanted to do.
00:15:23.180 Or the man that was blind that was healed, they wouldn't believe him.
00:15:27.460 He said, but he healed me.
00:15:28.940 And it wouldn't believe him.
00:15:30.580 You know, that's what people are like today, because people have said to me, if you're saying the evidence for the flood is so overwhelming,
00:15:37.080 the evidence for creation from DNA is so overwhelming, why don't the majority believe it?
00:15:43.500 Because they don't want to believe it.
00:15:45.040 It's a spiritual issue.
00:15:47.380 It means then there's a God who made them, who owns them, who sets the rules.
00:15:53.880 We are in rebellion against the God.
00:15:55.320 We are not neutral beings.
00:15:57.220 All have sinned and come short of the glory of God.
00:15:59.380 The heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked, the Scripture says.
00:16:04.060 We're biased against God, so we don't want the truth.
00:16:07.360 That's what you've got to remember.
00:16:08.460 I mean, the world tries to make out people are neutral.
00:16:12.020 Atheists try to make out they're neutral.
00:16:13.720 They don't have a religion.
00:16:15.060 They have a religion.
00:16:16.260 They have a worldview.
00:16:17.200 They have a belief system.
00:16:18.700 It's naturalism.
00:16:19.800 Naturalism is a religion.
00:16:21.360 They don't want to admit that, but they do.
00:16:23.660 And we have to explain that to people.
00:16:25.640 I guess it goes all the way back to the garden.
00:16:28.760 We could ask the same question about Adam and Eve.
00:16:31.340 I mean, they saw firsthand God's creation.
00:16:35.020 They had absolutely everything.
00:16:37.080 They didn't even have the problem that we have today of what is a good God, allow evil to happen.
00:16:41.280 They didn't even have to worry about all of those apologetics, you know, issues that we go through today.
00:16:46.780 And still they wanted to worship the God of self.
00:16:50.120 Still they wanted power themselves.
00:16:52.740 And that was a temptation of the devil.
00:16:54.300 You will be like God.
00:16:56.260 But there's something else there that I think is intriguing.
00:17:00.220 Because what God said was, Adam, you can eat of all the trees.
00:17:04.700 There's only one not to eat of, because if you do, you surely die.
00:17:07.280 In other words, obey God's word.
00:17:08.940 And the devil comes along.
00:17:10.220 Oh, no, you trust yourself.
00:17:11.720 You be your own God.
00:17:12.880 Did God really say?
00:17:14.580 So man's word.
00:17:16.080 Now, here's what happened, if you think about it.
00:17:18.360 They looked at the fruit, which they said was good to look at.
00:17:21.980 In other words, they looked at the evidence and interpreted it as good to look at, because the devil said, you know, you can eat the fruit.
00:17:32.100 Instead of saying, wait a minute, God's word says, no, I've got the wrong interpretation of the evidence.
00:17:38.000 Now, what are people doing today?
00:17:40.500 The evidence is evolution and millions of years, and they're interpreting this evidence, and they're looking at that and saying, okay, well, we need to take that and we'll change what God's word said.
00:17:51.900 Instead of, no, God says he made everything in six days, and he says there was a global flood.
00:17:58.900 No, therefore, that interpretation must be wrong.
00:18:02.040 And if you think about it, we have that nature of Adam, because we sinned after the likeness of Adam, the scripture says.
00:18:08.940 We are more likely to succumb to man's interpretation of the evidence than trust the word of God.
00:18:16.840 And there's our problem.
00:18:18.040 Yes.
00:18:18.600 And everything that you just said reminds me of Romans 1.
00:18:22.920 And you know, another passage that connects with that really nicely is 2 Peter 3.
00:18:51.700 It was talking about scoffers in the last days.
00:18:54.880 It says they reject creation.
00:18:56.820 They reject the flood.
00:18:58.340 They reject coming judgment by fire.
00:19:00.300 But it says this, they are willingly ignorant.
00:19:04.540 In other words, it's a deliberate choice on their part to ignore the truth.
00:19:10.980 Just like it says in Romans 1, they suppress the evidence.
00:19:14.920 And it goes on to say they worship the creature rather than the creator, which is really what evolution is all about.
00:19:22.100 And then God turns them over to their depraved natures.
00:19:26.880 And then we see men lusting after men, women lusting after women.
00:19:31.160 Romans 1 is a great description of our culture right now.
00:19:34.620 Yes, it is.
00:19:35.420 And it's also a good reminder that it was true 2,000 years ago.
00:19:39.060 And it's the same thing, that when you deny the one who created nature, you also deny your nature.
00:19:45.400 Exactly.
00:19:45.900 And you end up perverting it and inverting it.
00:19:48.000 And that's why we have the chaos that we have today.
00:19:50.720 That's it.
00:19:51.560 There's a bottom line.
00:19:52.540 There we solved the world's problems.
00:19:53.640 This really answers the question I'm about to ask, but I want to hear you talk about it more, is you've called for a reformation.
00:20:12.200 But that a reformation, as you've outlined, always is about ensuring that we are sticking to the authority of the infallible word of God in how we operate as Christians and how we operate as a church.
00:20:27.120 And you argue that any reformation to be effective right now has to go back to Genesis chapters 1 through 11.
00:20:34.940 We've really spent the last hour explaining why that is.
00:20:37.640 But if you can kind of summarize your argument, why is it so important for us to go back to the very beginning?
00:20:45.200 You know, Ali, if you look at our culture today, the issues that we see daily in the news, the moral issues, for instance, we're seeing abortion.
00:20:54.900 We're seeing the gender issues, transgender, LGBT issues, gay marriage, and so on.
00:21:00.140 There's racism.
00:21:01.360 There's euthanasia.
00:21:02.540 Pedophilia are raising its ugly head.
00:21:04.700 There's all of these things.
00:21:06.160 And for a lot of Christians, because they haven't been taught to think correctly, foundationally, beginning in Genesis, they look at all that and they say, how do we deal with all these problems?
00:21:17.020 Right?
00:21:18.100 It's overwhelming.
00:21:19.140 I can't deal with this problem and that problem.
00:21:21.600 You've got to deal with the abortion.
00:21:22.580 But there's too many problems to deal with.
00:21:24.160 I don't know how to deal with them all.
00:21:25.620 But here's the point.
00:21:27.020 They're all the same problem.
00:21:29.040 They're different symptoms of the problem.
00:21:31.600 The problem is they have the wrong foundation of man's word.
00:21:36.420 And when you build your thinking on man's word, your worldview is anything goes.
00:21:42.700 Moral relativism.
00:21:43.900 We decide what's right and what's wrong.
00:21:45.860 Why not abortion?
00:21:46.840 Why not euthanasia?
00:21:48.780 Change your gender?
00:21:50.240 Redefine marriage?
00:21:51.380 Whatever.
00:21:52.140 So they're all symptoms of the wrong foundation.
00:21:55.060 Now, if they're all the same problem but different symptoms, that means they have the same solution.
00:22:01.920 So what is the solution?
00:22:03.380 The solution has always been the truth of God's word and the saving gospel.
00:22:08.460 And God's word begins in Genesis 1 to 11 because Genesis 1 to 11 gives you the origin of marriage.
00:22:15.380 See, you start thinking about it.
00:22:18.140 Where's the origin of marriage?
00:22:19.240 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:20.400 Clothing.
00:22:20.920 God gave clothes because of sin.
00:22:22.660 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:23.740 That's why humans wear clothes and animals don't.
00:22:26.600 Where's the origin of death?
00:22:28.480 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:29.520 Death was a penalty for sin.
00:22:31.380 Where is the origin of the seven-day week?
00:22:35.060 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:36.900 That man has dominion over the creation?
00:22:39.120 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:40.500 That man has to work hard, earn your food in the sweat of your brow because of sin?
00:22:44.620 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:46.060 Why is Jesus called the last Adam?
00:22:47.760 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:49.000 Why did Jesus die on a cross?
00:22:50.760 Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:52.020 Ultimately, everything is founded in Genesis 1 to 11.
00:22:56.620 So if a Christian wants to deal with all these issues of the day, they have to understand that until someone believes the right history, the right foundation, beginning in God's word, beginning in Genesis, they're not going to change their worldview up here.
00:23:13.580 And so the real battle is down here.
00:23:16.500 The trouble is, much of the church hasn't taught Genesis 1 to 11 as literal history.
00:23:21.860 Much of the church has said it doesn't matter.
00:23:24.660 It's too controversial.
00:23:26.160 You can believe in evolution.
00:23:27.380 Millions years.
00:23:28.140 Just trust it.
00:23:28.560 Or it's just a Sunday school lesson that we don't need to spend any more time on.
00:23:31.580 Just a story.
00:23:32.720 Just trust in Jesus.
00:23:34.320 But wait a minute.
00:23:34.920 The message of Jesus, Christianity is based in history.
00:23:38.900 And that history begins in Genesis 1 to 11, which is the foundational history for all your doctrine, for the gospel, for everything.
00:23:46.140 And so I talk about the fact that people today say we need revival in the church and so on.
00:23:53.420 I don't believe you can have revival until you have a reformation, which means we've got to get back to the authority of the word of God from the very beginning, Genesis 1 to 11, which is the foundation for everything.
00:24:05.960 Because if God's people do not do that, you don't have a foundation for the right worldview.
00:24:12.640 You don't have the right foundation for people to have the right way of thinking.
00:24:17.980 And so that's why it begins right there.
00:24:21.200 Yeah.
00:24:21.660 And which also means, too, and I don't want people to get me wrong when I say this, but because I have some really good friends who are in Washington, D.C., and I think of great Christian men like Mike Johnson, who's a representative for Louisiana, and who stands on the word of God and so on.
00:24:39.620 And there's a few of those, right?
00:24:41.020 But we're not going to change things just by legislating morality.
00:24:48.220 You can't change a system from the top down.
00:24:51.420 It doesn't mean we shouldn't deal with these issues.
00:24:53.880 But if we only deal with them at an issue level, it's not going to work.
00:24:58.040 We have to deal with it at a foundational level.
00:25:01.300 You know, when you're building a house, you've got to start from the foundation to build a house.
00:25:04.780 And Christianity is like a house.
00:25:07.600 And the foundation starts in Genesis 1 to 11 to build the walls and then build the roof, the whole structure, the whole worldview.
00:25:14.120 And so if we, as God's people, don't go out there and proclaim the truth of God's word and see people trusting God's word from the very beginning and trusting in Christ for salvation, in the long run, you're not going to change the culture.
00:25:32.160 It really all goes back to the first verse.
00:25:36.220 It does.
00:25:36.700 God created the heavens and the earth.
00:25:38.200 If you believe that, if he's the creator of it, he's the authority over all of it.
00:25:43.420 He defines all things.
00:25:44.720 He says what's right and wrong, what's good and what's bad.
00:25:47.600 If you start with that, then we can figure the rest out.
00:25:51.380 If the first verse is not true, neither is the rest.
00:25:54.040 And actually, if you wanted to go back, we could say everything's founded in the first verse.
00:26:00.040 Yeah.
00:26:00.580 So, because really, in the beginning, God.
00:26:04.060 Yeah.
00:26:04.760 And it doesn't try to prove the existence of God.
00:26:08.700 It just says God, he's there.
00:26:10.720 Yeah.
00:26:11.040 He's outside of time.
00:26:12.840 An eternal God.
00:26:14.780 And of course, you know, the atheist will come back and say, well, who made God?
00:26:19.540 Well, wait a minute.
00:26:20.100 What do you believe?
00:26:20.680 An eternal matter?
00:26:21.700 Yeah.
00:26:21.980 You know, I heard Richard Dawkins one day saying, it's possible that there were aliens
00:26:26.980 from another planet that came and seeded life on this planet.
00:26:29.540 Yeah.
00:26:29.940 Where'd they come from?
00:26:31.040 Well, maybe other aliens seeded that planet.
00:26:33.460 Where'd they come from?
00:26:34.180 Maybe other aliens seeded that planet.
00:26:36.020 I think they'd be happy to believe in eternal aliens, but not an eternal God.
00:26:41.280 Yeah.
00:26:41.940 Because if it's an eternal God, it's the God of the Bible, and he sets the rules.
00:26:46.860 Mm-hmm.
00:26:47.340 And he tells us we're a sinner, and we have a problem, and we need the solution in Jesus,
00:26:52.920 and marriage is a man and a woman, and there's only two genders of humans, male and female.
00:26:57.620 And you're not God.
00:26:59.060 And we're not God.
00:26:59.300 They understand enough to know that they can't be, that individuals can't be God,
00:27:03.760 and God be God at the same time.
00:27:05.320 Exactly.
00:27:06.280 Mm-hmm.
00:27:06.700 And I love, just to close it out, I love what you said at the very beginning.
00:27:10.580 Why do we take Genesis literally?
00:27:12.380 Why do we care about Genesis?
00:27:14.180 Well, for a lot of reasons that you've outlined, but I love what you said, because Jesus did.
00:27:18.460 Matthew 19.
00:27:19.360 We read also John 1, that he is the word that is God and was there in the beginning with God.
00:27:26.540 So we see that emphasized by Jesus' own life.
00:27:29.740 And you know when Jesus appeared to the two on the road to Emmaus, and they didn't recognize him
00:27:33.660 after the resurrection?
00:27:35.880 Mm-hmm.
00:27:36.880 You know what we then read?
00:27:38.660 And beginning with Moses and the prophets, he explained to them in all the scriptures concerning
00:27:43.680 himself.
00:27:45.500 And in John 5, we read, if you don't believe the writings of Moses, how can you believe in my words?
00:27:50.860 So there's Jesus saying, you've got to go back to the writings of Moses in the very first book,
00:27:55.580 and the writings of Moses is Genesis.
00:27:57.060 Yeah, Genesis wrote Genesis.
00:27:58.120 Yes.
00:27:58.400 Well, thank you so much.
00:27:59.860 I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.
00:28:01.760 This is very educational and edifying for me.
00:28:03.980 I know it will be for my audience as well.
00:28:06.520 You obviously, you've got a lot going on.
00:28:08.340 Is there anything new that people should know about, in addition to all of the resources
00:28:13.160 that you already provide?
00:28:15.800 Well, you know, we have a website, AnswersInGenesis.org, and we have all sorts of resources in there
00:28:21.660 and articles.
00:28:22.380 If people have more questions, go there.
00:28:25.260 We have tens of thousands of articles, and most of their questions, we've probably heard
00:28:29.560 before.
00:28:30.460 So just type in your question and get an answer.
00:28:32.880 I love to be able to give people answers.
00:28:35.320 That's why we're called Answers in Genesis.
00:28:37.480 And by the way, the answers will always be in Genesis, because that's the foundation.
00:28:41.460 So it's a great name for a ministry.
00:28:43.640 But I encourage people to come and visit our Ark Encounter and Creation Museum.
00:28:47.020 It's beautiful.
00:28:47.860 Take your whole family to the Ark Encounter.
00:28:49.960 It's amazing.
00:28:50.220 30% of those who come are non-Christians.
00:28:52.340 Really?
00:28:52.720 And they love it.
00:28:53.560 Yeah.
00:28:53.780 And these are, you know, world-class attractions.
00:28:56.920 There's nothing else.
00:28:57.640 We're finding more and more families saying to us, we're not supporting woke places like
00:29:01.540 Disney.
00:29:01.860 Like Disney.
00:29:02.400 Right.
00:29:02.560 We want to come to Christian attractions.
00:29:05.600 And really, the Ark and the Creation Museum are the two leading Christian-themed attractions
00:29:08.680 in the world.
00:29:09.220 We keep adding things all the time.
00:29:10.920 Yes.
00:29:11.600 So I encourage people to come and visit us.
00:29:14.500 Yeah.
00:29:14.780 It's amazing.
00:29:15.340 Well, thank you so much.
00:29:16.460 And thanks for not just coming on, but for all the work that you've done and answering God's
00:29:20.400 calling on your life for the past several decades.
00:29:22.560 Thank you.
00:29:23.260 Thank you, Ellen.
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