Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 87

00:00:00.000 Happy Monday, relatable listeners. I hope everyone had a great weekend. I am pumped

00:00:06.680 about what we're going to talk about today. We are going to talk about Beto, a.k.a. Robert Francis

00:00:14.360 O'Rourke and him running for President of the United States. Now, you might be asking,

00:00:19.940 oh, Ali, didn't you say last week that we were going to talk about Christian stuff, theological

00:00:26.300 stuff, ministry minded stuff on Mondays so I could actually enjoy my Monday and not get so riled up

00:00:32.900 about the state of our politics? And you are correct about that. I am going to. This is

00:00:38.100 actually a theological Christian church topic, but I am using Beto as the jumping off point,

00:00:45.780 as the kind of impetus for this conversation. And you're just going to have to track with me and

00:00:50.980 you're just going to have to trust me that it all just fits together. So we're going to talk about

00:00:57.300 the woke white women who are likely to support Beto O'Rourke and support whatever Democrat runs

00:01:06.260 against Donald Trump and the trend of white women kind of leaning in this direction. Now,

00:01:12.580 this is a little bit similar to what we talked about on Friday, a little bit. I know you've heard

00:01:17.500 the word woke a lot over the past two episodes that I've done, but this is really the social

00:01:24.980 justice wave that is taking over the church. And I'm going to talk about how I think that it will

00:01:30.320 manifest itself in the upcoming election and why I believe from a biblical perspective that is

00:01:36.980 problematic and why we as Christians need to be on the lookout for it. So I still haven't decided

00:01:43.260 what I'm going to call these days. Theological Mondays doesn't really sound that good. You guys

00:01:48.840 had a lot of suggestions for Wednesdays being theology days, but that's not going to happen

00:01:52.980 anymore. It's going to be Mondays, ministry Mondays, kind of, maybe, I don't know. We'll figure it out.

00:01:59.200 Anyway, whatever it is, we're going to have fun and you're going to feel hopefully good and equipped

00:02:04.100 and inspired and great going into your Monday today. So Democrats, this is the premise of this

00:02:12.940 conversation. Democrats are coming for the Christian white women. They're coming for you.

00:02:19.280 They are looking to get your votes. And unfortunately, it might actually work. Now,

00:02:26.380 not the people listening to this podcast, not you well-educated, conservative, Christian,

00:02:31.440 theologically savvy women out there, but for some Christian white women living in suburbia,

00:02:39.260 this probably will work. So let's back up. Last week, Robert O'Rourke, which as you know,

00:02:46.480 is his real name. Beto is his nickname, announced his candidacy for president of the United States.

00:02:53.720 Beto, I am going to call him Beto. That makes some people mad, but that's what he goes by. That's what

00:02:58.000 people recognize him as. So whatever. It's a losing battle to call him anything else.

00:03:02.960 Beto was a representative from El Paso, Texas. He ran for Senate against Ted Cruz. He lost,

00:03:11.040 barely lost, but he did lose. And then there were rumors for a long time about him running for

00:03:15.360 president. The reason is because he had national appeal. People really liked him. He was on Ellen.

00:03:20.940 He had all of these viral videos about him playing air guitar in the car. And so it was like,

00:03:27.120 oh, is this the white Barack Obama? Is this kind of like the modern JFK? He's cool. He's young. He's

00:03:34.020 hip. He's weirdly kind of attractive, some people say, even though he's not. This is the future. This

00:03:42.780 is our next Democratic leader. Well, he lost against Ted Cruz. And so that didn't really pan out,

00:03:48.460 but he probably got a little taste of the fame and the notoriety that he gained for running for

00:03:55.980 Senate against Ted Cruz that he decided, you know what? I got to keep this going, bro. I got to keep

00:04:00.680 it going. Now, a lot of people on the right, after he announced his presidency, he had this huge story

00:04:06.600 in Vanity Fair where he was glorified as this awesome down to earth guy who, by the way, is also

00:04:13.120 worth $9 million because he inherited most of that money and his wife is a billionaire. Nothing

00:04:18.280 wrong with that. Nothing wrong with that, by the way, from my perspective. But for the Democratic

00:04:22.680 perspective, that's typically problematic. But apparently, apparently when it's Beto O'Rourke,

00:04:27.060 it doesn't really matter. So we had this huge spread in Vanity Fair talking about just like

00:04:31.100 how relatable he is. And Republicans are looking at that, some of them, and writing him off immediately.

00:04:38.100 They're like, OK, you lost a Senate race. Why does that qualify you to run for president of the

00:04:43.760 United States? A lot of Republicans are also bringing up the fact that this guy had a DUI

00:04:48.280 where he actually fled the scene wrecking his car when he was 26. Just a reminder, like I was just 26

00:04:54.820 like a month ago. 26. Yes, of course, everyone makes mistakes. Everyone does. And there is grace

00:05:00.520 for those mistakes. But 26 is not 21. Like there's a little bit of a difference in that. So but Republicans

00:05:05.760 are bringing up that this should probably disqualify him. And like I said, he lost to Ted Cruz,

00:05:11.700 a guy that a lot of people consider unlikable. And he lost during a blue wave. He lost even though he

00:05:18.780 had national appeal, like I said, and he had a lot of celebrities backing him. He raised a ton of money.

00:05:25.360 He worked really hard and he still lost against what people consider an unlikable Ted Cruz. So

00:05:30.680 they're saying there's no way there's no way he's going there's no way he's going to win. If he couldn't

00:05:36.600 win that, then of course, he can't win the presidency, which may be true. I am not betting

00:05:41.500 that Beto will win necessarily. I don't know that I don't like have this feeling that he is going to

00:05:48.100 take the presidency. But I do think I do think that he is someone that we should watch out for.

00:05:54.180 And I do think that he might be a force to be reckoned with. We know that he's going to work

00:05:58.800 hard. We know that a lot of celebrities were behind him. But I think it's actually a little

00:06:03.680 bit deeper than that. So there are a few things to consider when it comes to Beto O'Rourke. And I

00:06:07.560 promise you this is going to work into a theological and just state of the church conversation.

00:06:14.300 But first, let us consider some things about Beto O'Rourke running for president.

00:06:18.900 Let's remember that Ted Cruz barely won. He barely won in the state of Texas,

00:06:25.040 the state that a lot of people used to think was a Republican stronghold.

00:06:28.300 He won 50.9% to Beto's 48%. So really close. If you look at a map of Texas, a voting map of Texas

00:06:36.720 after the midterm elections, Beto won almost all border towns, mostly Hispanic communities.

00:06:43.120 He won the big city. So he won Houston. He won Dallas. He won Fort Worth. He won San Antonio. He

00:06:48.220 won Austin. Cruz won the more rural areas. So the less densely populated areas. If you look at

00:06:55.240 the map of Texas, it looks like Cruz absolutely dominated because it's mostly red. It's kind of

00:07:00.340 like the electoral map or the voting map after Donald Trump won. It looks like Trump totally

00:07:05.100 dominated. We know that was actually a close race. He didn't totally dominate. And Hillary Clinton still

00:07:09.760 won the popular vote. It kind of looks like that when you look at a map of Texas after the midterm

00:07:14.500 elections. It looks like Cruz dominated. But it's really just because he got a lot of those rural areas

00:07:19.340 that just don't have as many people in it. So this means, though, that because Beto got so close to

00:07:27.240 Ted Cruz, this means that he is popular. He might not have been popular enough to win, but he is

00:07:34.140 popular. Maybe he couldn't have won Texas at this time, but we know because he has national appeal,

00:07:41.620 he should be taken seriously. And here's another thing that we need to consider.

00:07:47.400 Um, because he was pretty well liked in Texas, again, not by everyone, not by enough people,

00:07:53.960 but because he was really well liked in Texas, he is someone that the Democrats might be willing to

00:08:00.580 get behind and rally around because they are setting their sights on Texas in 2020.

00:08:07.540 There was a time when California was a red state, when we could rely on California to vote for the

00:08:13.060 Republican candidates. Uh, there was a time when Colorado was solidly red. There has been a strategy

00:08:19.260 behind Democrats turning Colorado and California, for example, blue, and they're doing the same thing

00:08:26.520 to Texas. They are intentionally, uh, staking out ground, looking at Texas, setting their sights on

00:08:32.720 Texas and saying, if we, they, they know this, if we turn you blue, if we turn you purple,

00:08:38.960 then it'll be done. It'll be over. Uh, they've won. Uh, we like to think that that would never

00:08:44.380 happen in Texas, but we never thought that would happen in Colorado. And it did. Now the idea of

00:08:50.560 Colorado voting red is absolutely laughable. If you think Democrats don't know that and don't know

00:08:56.780 that they have an opportunity there, especially in 2020, then you're crazy. Of course they want Texas.

00:09:01.900 And if you've got a candidate from Texas who did pretty well in his last election, in a major

00:09:07.940 election against Ted Cruz, he did pretty well, better than some people, uh, would have thought

00:09:12.500 then maybe, maybe he'll still have that appeal and more appeal if he runs for president. Um, and this

00:09:20.420 is another thing that they are considering, particularly with Beto's appeal to Texas. They think that he

00:09:26.580 might be able to attract the young voters, which we already know the majority of young people in

00:09:31.780 Texas voted for him, but they also think that he is going to be a track, uh, be attractive to

00:09:36.820 women and particularly white women. And that is the demographic that Democrats had a hard time with

00:09:43.360 in the 2016 election. 53% of white women voted for Donald Trump. The majority of white women in the

00:09:50.380 midterm elections, uh, voted for Ted Cruz. And yet it is the most vulnerable demographic. If you look at,

00:09:59.020 uh, white men versus white women, it's the most vulnerable demographic that could flip over to

00:10:04.840 the left. And I think that they would look at someone like Beto O'Rourke and say, you've got

00:10:10.120 the appeal to the suburban white mom that Democrats simply haven't been able to conquer yet. Uh, like I

00:10:17.160 said, uh, the majority of white women did vote for Ted Cruz in 2018, but the majority of women,

00:10:23.600 so women of all races, women of all ages, the majority of women did vote for Beto. Also the

00:10:29.660 younger that you were in Texas, the more likely you were to vote for Beto. 71% of the millennial

00:10:34.400 vote of 51% of the vote for ages 30 through 44. So the older you were, the more likely you were to

00:10:40.960 vote for Ted Cruz. Uh, this is really true of almost all Democrats who ran young people. Women just tend

00:10:47.080 to lean more to the left, but let's look at that female one more closely. So he won 94% of the black

00:10:53.960 female vote in Texas, 66% of the Latina female vote, uh, where he did not win as we've already

00:11:00.820 established is with white women, a 60%. So not a huge percentage, but 60% of white women did vote for

00:11:08.500 Ted Cruz. And like I said, that makes this group extremely vulnerable because the vast majority of

00:11:14.880 white men voted for Ted Cruz. So I guarantee you Democrats are looking at Texas and they're looking

00:11:20.720 at white women and they see someone like Beto O'Rourke and they see someone who can appeal to

00:11:25.800 them. If they can get the white woman vote, if they can get the suburban mom vote, and if they can get

00:11:31.060 the Texas vote, then they've won and they've won for a long time. And I think, I think that Beto O'Rourke

00:11:37.880 is someone who they think can do that. And someone who quite frankly, I think can do that as well.

00:11:43.580 Uh, ever since it came out that 53% of white women voted for Trump in 2016, we have heard

00:11:50.780 nonstop from the feminists, from the women's March, from the people on the left, that white

00:11:54.840 women are traitors, that we are, uh, hoisting up the patriarchy, that the only reason we voted

00:11:59.520 for Donald Trump was because our husbands told us to, that in order to be true allies to people of

00:12:04.760 color, to, um, vulnerable communities, that we can't vote Republican in order to really care about

00:12:11.620 women, in order to, uh, really care about the immigrant, to really be compassionate. We have

00:12:17.340 been told ever since then that you have to vote Democrat. Uh, it is betrayal to other women and

00:12:23.460 to people of color. We hear to vote for Donald Trump or really for any Republican. Why? Well,

00:12:28.700 no one really knows. They don't ever have to say why we're betraying or who we're betraying or when we

00:12:34.700 signed up for this group that we pledged loyalty to, but apparently that's just true. You are not

00:12:41.040 a good person and you are not compassionate and you don't really care about people. If you vote for

00:12:47.100 Republicans because Republicans are the patriarchy or something like that. And the only reason you're

00:12:51.260 voting for them is because you just listened to your husband. And unfortunately, I think that's

00:12:55.700 worked a little bit. I think that you do have women who say, whoa, whoa, whoa, I'm my own person.

00:13:00.800 So you're telling me that by voting for Republicans, I'm just following my husband. No, no, no.

00:13:06.240 That's not, that's not going to be me. Um, here's, here's another statistic. Only a slight

00:13:12.700 majority of suburbanites voted for Cruz. Suburbanites used to be typically more Republican,

00:13:17.640 at least in this area, but that is no longer true. I live in a suburb of Texas. And so I know that

00:13:22.540 this doesn't necessarily speak to all suburbs of Texas, but the suburb that I lived in, which used

00:13:28.960 to be solidly red, by the way, we just voted for, I didn't, but the majority of my district who used

00:13:35.180 to be solidly red did vote for a terrible, terrible democratic state representative. And there are a lot

00:13:42.480 of people in our district who, uh, who had Beto signs in their yard. And I hardly saw any Ted Cruz

00:13:48.720 signs. And like I said, I live in a pretty conservative district in Texas, in the suburbs of

00:13:54.360 Texas, but a slight majority of suburbanites voted for Cruz. So like I said, the problem that Democrats

00:14:01.120 have in Texas and nationally is white people in suburban and rural areas. And the most vulnerable

00:14:06.280 group within that to flipping is white women. And I think, I think the group that they really want,

00:14:14.480 because a lot of white women in Texas happen to be a part of this group. I think the group that they

00:14:18.640 really want is white Christian women. They want white Christian women who can be convinced by this

00:14:26.640 argument that in order to, in order to really care about the least of these, in order to really care

00:14:33.480 about the vulnerable, in order to really, uh, live out God's calling to care for the poor, then you

00:14:40.560 can't vote for a Republican. They're greedy. They want to take people's healthcare away. They want to put

00:14:45.140 kids in cages at the border. If you really are compassionate and soft hearted and sympathetic,

00:14:49.640 which you should be, you Christian woman, then you'll vote Democrat. And someone like Beto Work

00:14:56.880 is really good at spinning that. He's a really good messenger for that because he's unintimidating.

00:15:02.860 He's unassuming. He's kind of like that nerdy, goofy guy that maybe some of these women were friends

00:15:09.000 with in high school, but they secretly had a crush on. Like he's not some kind of like quarterback

00:15:15.080 hot guy that women are like all excited over, but he's got some kind of quality that I think

00:15:21.820 Christian could not Christian conservative, but Christian, a suburban women would be attracted to

00:15:28.720 another problem that we know that Democrats have is with Christians. The majority of Christians voted

00:15:35.600 for Trump. The majority of Christians in Texas voted for Cruz. But again, the most vulnerable group

00:15:42.120 within that problematic group for Democrats is white women. They are most likely of the groups

00:15:49.560 within evangelicalism to vote for a Democratic candidate. And here's something else that I have

00:15:56.700 noticed, particularly over the past couple of years, particularly in the last few months,

00:16:00.360 especially since the Kavanaugh stuff, especially since the stuff that's been going on in the border.

00:16:05.180 Uh, I noticed one that a lot of Christian suburban moms follow Christian influencers who have been,

00:16:12.320 uh, increasingly outspoken about progressivism. They haven't come out and said, I'm a Democrat.

00:16:18.180 They haven't said I'm a liberal, but their underlying messages are progressive. They are in line with

00:16:23.820 identity politics. So you've got Rachel Hollis, whom we now know has a big opinions about white male

00:16:29.480 privilege and apparently, uh, gender fluidity. We've got Jen Hatmaker who had Beto O'Rourke on her

00:16:35.120 show. We have Anne Voskamp. We have Beth Moore who have been very outspoken against Donald Trump.

00:16:40.160 You have other, uh, even white male evangelical leaders who have jumped on the side of identity

00:16:45.040 politics of racial reparations, advocating for social justice, um, and essentially open borders.

00:16:51.360 You have parts of the otherwise, uh, conservative evangelical Baptist non-denominational

00:16:57.560 movement, a large part of that in Texas, shifting to the left on these social issues and becoming

00:17:03.120 quieter about things like abortion. Now, I'm not saying that all of these people that have shifted

00:17:08.540 to the left are fundamentally wrong at every single thing that they believe. I'm also not saying that

00:17:13.080 Christians don't have legitimate concerns and questions and criticisms about Donald Trump.

00:17:17.940 I have voiced many of those concerns, questions, and criticisms from a Christian perspective

00:17:21.900 about Donald Trump. I am also not saying in order to be a good Christian, you have to be a Republican

00:17:26.880 because we know that God transcends our politics. He is bigger than Republican or Democrats.

00:17:31.420 I am not saying any of that. I'm just telling you that the shift that we're seeing and the kind of

00:17:38.640 warming up of the young evangelical, uh, community, especially among white women to Democrats is

00:17:45.220 coming from this place, this subtle messaging from Christian leaders that say that social justice is

00:17:51.580 what we should be striving towards. That systemic racism is a worse than it's ever been. And if we're

00:17:57.120 not talking about forced diversity, then we don't really, we don't really love people. If you're not

00:18:02.080 really, if you don't believe in big government policies, if you don't believe in forced tolerance

00:18:06.480 that is fed to us by progressivism, then you must not really be a Christian. Now you might be asking

00:18:13.220 yourself, well, how do these Christian influencers justify supporting Democrats who, uh, who are

00:18:21.500 advocates of abortion? Do they not care about babies inside the womb? Well, honestly, abortion in this

00:18:28.020 section of the social justice, evangelical world has taken a backseat. And even in some cases,

00:18:34.400 taken a backseat to what you would call women's rights. There was a ridiculous thread by some

00:18:39.800 democratic representative, I think from Oklahoma the other day talking about how God's will is that

00:18:45.320 we allow women to choose to have abortions and that that's actually biblical. Now she said a bunch of

00:18:50.620 stuff that literally did not make sense. It was like logic was like her third or fourth language.

00:18:57.460 They'd be able to like the thread didn't make sense, but it just shows you the justifications that

00:19:01.980 some, and this was a white woman, some, uh, Christian women and Christian people are making

00:19:08.640 to latch on to this progressivism that is in the church. Uh, here's the problem though, with

00:19:16.020 Christians latching on to seemingly innocuous social justice, which we talked about on Friday.

00:19:22.760 Um, but the problem with it, they, they will tell you social justice is just taking care of the poor.

00:19:28.120 Social justice is just taking care of the widow. Social justice is just believe in inequality and

00:19:32.780 justice. No, it's not. No, it's not. Uh, social justice is a secular movement that encompasses

00:19:39.560 things that are not biblical. You care about justice. You care about the poor. You believe

00:19:44.920 in biblical justice, which is the only real justice that exists. Social justice is not justice. So we,

00:19:52.160 as a believers don't need to latch onto something that is secular. You know, social justice also includes

00:19:58.860 the redefining of gender. You know, social justice also includes the redefining of godly sexuality.

00:20:05.600 You know, social justice, uh, also includes the ad, the advocating for abortion in the name of women's

00:20:12.060 rights. You know, social justice defined by the world, by the way, includes all of these things that

00:20:18.480 Christians aren't supposed to be a part of. You want to be a part of justice and act biblical justice.

00:20:24.020 Take care of the least of these on your own. Uh, don't advocate for the government to do it.

00:20:31.520 A lot of these young Christians have bought into the lie that in order to be truly godly and

00:20:38.980 compassionate, you have to believe in the almost entire progressive agenda. You have to believe in

00:20:44.080 open borders. You have to believe in socialism or at least some form of big government, the welfare

00:20:49.600 state. That's what taking care of the poor means. They say, uh, you have to believe in, uh, fighting

00:20:55.260 against gun violence. The word gun violence doesn't even make any sense, but fighting against gun

00:21:00.680 violence. They believe in what Thomas Sowell would call cosmic justice. That's what social justice

00:21:07.200 actually is. This strange equation based on the color of your skin, your sexual orientation,

00:21:12.840 your gender. That's how we figure out what is right and what is wrong. You saw this with Kavanaugh,

00:21:18.920 for example, even though we didn't have any true evidence against him, even though there was no

00:21:23.240 substantiated evidence against him. Uh, we talked a lot. You heard a lot about white male privilege.

00:21:28.200 You heard a lot about believing women because they're women. That is cosmic justice. That's not

00:21:33.460 actual justice. Actual justice is looking at truth, looking at facts, looking at evidence and making

00:21:39.660 and making a judgment from there the best that you can. But we were supposed to believe Dr. Ford

00:21:44.940 simply because she was a woman simply because she said so. And you had Christian leaders coming

00:21:49.660 out and saying, yes, I believe her. Why? That is cosmic justice. You saw the same thing with

00:21:56.480 Jussie Smollett. You saw Rachel Hollis. She had an Instagram post saying, wow, I saw this today.

00:22:01.900 And this just, I had to have a conversation with my son about white male privilege. You didn't even

00:22:06.660 know the facts. That is cosmic justice. That's not real justice because it's not based on truth.

00:22:11.620 We saw this with the whole Covington thing, uh, with, because these were white kids wearing red

00:22:16.580 hats and you had a native American in front of him that they were wrong because they were white kids

00:22:20.480 wearing red hats. That is cosmic justice. That is based on superficial, weird, abstract, um, abstract

00:22:29.200 qualifications, definitions of justice that Christians are not called to. And yet we see Christians buying

00:22:36.060 into it. Why? Because it's easy because it feels good because it sounds like we're caring for the

00:22:42.180 least of these, but we're not. Social justice and socialism, as I've said many times is a way for

00:22:49.300 people to feel virtuous without ever having to get off the couch. And guess what? It's a Christless

00:22:55.020 gospel. As Daryl and I talked about on Friday, the role of Christians in fighting against injustice.

00:23:03.800 Yes, of course you advocate for like pro-life legislation, for example, but the, the important

00:23:11.780 thing for us to do, the most important thing for us to do is to preach the gospel. But you've got a lot

00:23:17.620 of social justice Christians who believe that the gospel is secondary, that our first role is to talk

00:23:22.400 about, um, that our first role is to talk about racism, that our first role is to talk about, uh,

00:23:28.880 these perceived injustices that are going on in the world. That's not true. Our first job is to say

00:23:35.460 Jesus is the only way, the only truth, the only life. And in so doing, probably, uh, offend a lot

00:23:42.780 of social justice warriors, but you've got too many Christians that are not willing to do that anymore

00:23:46.860 because they want to latch onto the social justice movement and feel good about themselves.

00:23:50.620 And Democrats know that, and they've done a good job of that. And their target is Christian

00:23:55.620 white women who are most susceptible to that. And Beto O'Rourke is a great messenger, a great mascot

00:24:03.040 for that. And I was talking about this on Twitter, uh, the other day, and I was saying, you know,

00:24:09.200 I really see Beto appealing to these suburban white Christian women who, uh, are in Texas just because

00:24:15.420 of the trend that I've seen and the feeling that I get from these Christian influencers that I know

00:24:19.360 a lot of people follow and the movement towards wokeness within the church, especially among this

00:24:24.540 demographic. And then I found this New York times article that was written in October of last year

00:24:28.860 that I had actually never read that literally was saying all of the things that I was saying

00:24:33.340 before I even get to that. Let me, let me tell you something because then the New York times article

00:24:38.620 is going to literally support exactly what I said before I even read it. So the, the way that

00:24:45.020 Democrats, the way that the left is posing this to, to white evangelical women, the way that they are

00:24:54.620 making this sound okay. So that white women don't say, well, I'm not going to vote for Democrats

00:24:59.120 because they're pro abortion. The way that they are kind of obfuscating that issue and pushing that

00:25:03.600 issue down is they are expanding the definition of pro-life. So they're saying, sure, Democrats might

00:25:10.040 believe in abortion. That's just one issue. Are you really pro-life? If you're not talking about

00:25:16.800 diversity, are you really pro-life? If you're not intersectional, are you really pro-life? If you

00:25:21.940 don't believe in open borders, are you really pro-life? Uh, if you don't believe in white privilege,

00:25:27.600 are you really pro-life? If you don't believe in redistributing wealth to the poor, are you really

00:25:32.300 pro-life? If you're not against gun violence, that's what they're saying. And you got a lot of white

00:25:36.960 women saying, well, I guess that's true. Yeah, I am pro-life. I am pro-life. And so abortion is just

00:25:44.100 one of the many ways I can be pro-life. And I'm not going to vote for Republicans just on that one

00:25:48.400 issue. I mean, that is a low information voter right there. That's a low educated voter right

00:25:55.820 there. That is an entirely emotionally based argument. You don't know anything about abortion.

00:26:02.180 You don't know anything about gun statistics. You don't know anything about what's going on at the

00:26:06.120 border. You don't know anything about real race issues and white privilege. It just sounds good.

00:26:11.880 And you don't want to be seen as a bigot. You want to be seen as a good person. You want to be seen as

00:26:15.900 a compassionate, sympathetic woman. So you say, okay, well, I can, I can look past the abortion thing

00:26:22.080 and, um, I can look past the abortion thing and I'll be pro-life in these other ways. And that's fine.

00:26:28.120 Life is about choices. Politics is about choices. That's fine. Low information. Let me tell you,

00:26:33.760 low education and our job as conservatives is really difficult in the face of that because

00:26:40.760 that argument is a completely emotional argument. Whereas the argument we have has to do with facts

00:26:46.420 and people don't want to hear that. People don't want to hear the real statistics on, uh, on guns.

00:26:52.020 People don't want to hear the real truth about socialism, the real truth about white privilege and

00:26:57.060 all of these crazy things on the left. They, they just want to, they just want to feel good about

00:27:01.200 themselves without ever having to get off the couch. Like I've already said. And so our job is

00:27:05.960 really hard to push back against that because we actually have to get people to listen to us rather

00:27:10.740 than feel and read things and research things. And as we know, that's the bane of most young people's

00:27:15.500 existence. So this New York times article that I found after I was making all of these conclusions

00:27:20.560 on Twitter, and I was talking about abortion, blah, blah, blah. I was actually messaging a Fox host who

00:27:27.260 was asking me to expound on the tweet that I, that I had posted. And I was telling her,

00:27:33.340 it's like, yeah, I've, I've seen this movement among young women because of these influencers

00:27:37.820 and the expansion of the definition of pro-life. And then I found this New York times article

00:27:42.300 and here's a quote. Um, so they interviewed people in Dallas, actually women in Dallas who are all in

00:27:48.920 their thirties, suburban moms who are Christians. And here is, here's a quote from the article.

00:27:55.160 So the women who are all in their thirties described Mr. O'Rourke this, so this is before

00:28:00.420 the midterm elections as providing a stark moral contrast to Mr. Trump, whose policies and behavior

00:28:05.720 they see as fundamentally anti-Christian, especially separating immigrant children from their parents

00:28:11.740 at the border, banning many Muslim refugees and disrespecting women. So I knew, I knew this,

00:28:18.360 I felt this. And then you have these women actually coming out and saying, yeah, that's exactly,

00:28:23.500 that's exactly right. And here's a quote from one of the women that they interviewed.

00:28:29.060 I care as much about babies at the border as I do about babies in the womb,

00:28:34.000 uh, said Tess Clark, one of Ms. Mooney's friends. I guess that's another person confessing that she

00:28:38.340 was mortified at how she used to vote. So she used to vote Republican, how she used to vote because

00:28:44.300 she had only considered abortion policy. Now we've been, or we've been asleep. Now we've woke up.

00:28:50.340 Okay. First of all, woke up is not grammatically correct unless you're trying to make a pun that

00:28:55.360 you're woke. Now we've woke up. Ms. Mooney and her friends may represent an under the radar web of

00:29:02.080 white evangelical women in Texas whose vote in November may be more up for grabs than at any

00:29:07.980 time in the recent past. They are angry with many of Mr. Trump's policies and frustrated because they

00:29:13.140 feel their faith has been weaponized to support his agenda. Sarah Demoff, I don't know how you say

00:29:20.320 that, uh, who is a court appointed special advocate for children voted a straight Republican ticket after

00:29:25.060 Kermit Gosnell, a Pennsylvania physician, uh, was indicted in 2011 for murdering babies born alive

00:29:32.200 and botched abortions. Uh, but she was moved watching Mr. O'Rourke sit with migrant women separated

00:29:39.840 from their children and reflected on her own vulnerability growing up with a single mother

00:29:43.840 who was blind. It goes on to say, Mr. O'Rourke is doing strategic, if limited outreach to white

00:29:50.180 evangelicals, especially women. So this article existed and I didn't even know. I think a lot

00:29:56.040 of us probably had this feeling without knowing the, you know, the, the, the concrete evidence

00:30:03.080 behind it. You just kind of felt this way. And I read this article and I was like, yes, this is

00:30:09.080 actually happening. I mean, listen to this, listen to this. They are ashamed of how they used to vote

00:30:14.400 because she had only considered abortion policy. We've been asleep. Now we've woken up. I changed her

00:30:20.940 grammatical air there because I cannot say we've woke up one more time. It just makes me want to

00:30:25.920 crawl out of my skin. Um, these are women who have been made to feel guilty by progressives and their

00:30:34.940 feminist friends for not being truly woke enough for not being truly sympathetic enough. This idea

00:30:42.200 of kids being separated from their parents at the border, isn't even fully accurate. And the

00:30:47.100 evangelical community just jumped on it as if they had all of the facts. That's not even true. You know

00:30:52.700 that most of these kids are actually coming from human traffickers. They're actually being smuggled.

00:30:57.160 I saw a video from San Diego just the other day where two kids, a six and a nine-year-old

00:31:01.240 were dropped over the border, the dropped over the border fencing that exists right there at the

00:31:07.440 border in San Diego. And the smuggler, I don't even know where he went. The kids were dropped over the

00:31:12.060 border. Um, what? Like we're going to talk, we're going to say that that is separating children from

00:31:18.840 their parents. The only way, the only way to make sure that kids are safe and that they're taken care

00:31:26.280 of is to make sure that they are put in these facilities where they are actually protected from

00:31:32.260 the human traffickers and the danger that's going on in the board at the border when illegal immigrants

00:31:37.520 show up with them. And you have to, you have to do something with the parents, but what Democrats want

00:31:43.220 is, and what evangelicals apparently who support this one is for us to just let them all in,

00:31:48.640 no questions asked. Uh, look, I don't like children being separated from their parents either.

00:31:54.620 I don't. I, and if there's any way that we can keep them together, if there's any way that we can

00:31:59.740 keep them together, then I think that's great. But let us remember that this was happening under

00:32:04.060 Barack Obama, that the whole kids in cages thing, which they're not cages, they are enclosures,

00:32:09.700 which is a lot safer and better than what they probably had before. Um, that whole thing happened

00:32:16.100 under Barack Obama. The family separation happened under Barack Obama. And there's actually a reason

00:32:21.380 that they are being separated. It's not necessarily just this cruel tactic. Now, uh, Jeff Sessions did

00:32:27.720 say, which this I do agree with, did say that the separation of families was an incentive for families

00:32:33.600 not to come and cross the border. I don't like that. I do think that's draconian. I do think that's

00:32:38.180 wrong. But if there is actually a safety reason for these kids of why they're being separated from

00:32:43.440 their parents, who, by the way, a lot of times aren't really their parents, um, then I think that

00:32:49.120 we should, we should listen to that and we should give ear to that. But instead you have a bunch of

00:32:53.540 women, especially latching onto this issue emotionally and saying, well, this is what it

00:32:58.180 really means to be pro-life. Are you serious? Are you serious? This is what it means to be pro-life.

00:33:04.500 So are you down with the legislation that went through Virginia? Are you down with the legislation

00:33:09.700 that was passed in New York, in New Mexico? Are you okay with that? The Born Alive Survivors

00:33:16.460 Protection Act, you're okay with being a part of that party that voted against that? That's okay

00:33:23.240 with not just sucking the brains out of children as they are being born, that's what a full-term

00:33:28.920 abortion is. But also laying them, laying them there to die on an operating table without doing

00:33:35.020 anything to save their life. You're telling me it's okay to be fine with that, but you're more

00:33:40.080 pro-life because you kind of advocate for women and children at the border without even really

00:33:45.860 knowing anything. What? You're ashamed that you used to vote based on abortion? What bigger,

00:33:52.240 more gospel-centered political issue is there than fighting for unborn babies and babies who were

00:33:58.900 just born? I'm not saying that that's mutually exclusive, that you can't care about what's

00:34:03.720 going on on the border and you can't and care about children that are inside the womb. Of course,

00:34:09.720 of course you can care for both and there's a way to care for both, but it's important that we also

00:34:14.300 know the truth. It's important that we also know real policies. And yes, at the end of the day,

00:34:19.520 I do believe abortion is a bigger issue. Yes, of course I do. We're talking about murder. You're

00:34:26.340 talking about maybe you don't like the quality of care that they're given, which I'm totally on

00:34:30.220 board with you. They're human beings. They're made in the image of God, the children and the people at

00:34:33.860 the border. They should be treated with dignity and respect as much as we can. But that versus the

00:34:40.160 brutal murder of unborn children, you're telling me that's not enough of an issue for you? Not to mention

00:34:46.580 that that's not the only reason why you would vote Republican as a Christian. You also shouldn't

00:34:51.580 believe in the redistribution of wealth, the forced redistribution of wealth. That's theft. That's

00:34:57.600 covetousness. You shouldn't believe in socialism as a Christian. It is not biblical. When you look at

00:35:03.320 the suffering that socialism has caused, you shouldn't believe in identity politics. You

00:35:07.640 shouldn't believe in intersectionality. All of that is anti-gospel of how we're supposed to look at

00:35:13.180 people, not by the color of their skin, not by their perceived oppression, not by their victimology,

00:35:18.200 but by who God made them to be, which is a human being made in God's image.

00:35:24.880 There are many reasons to be conservative as a Christian. There are very few, very few reasons

00:35:32.280 to be a progressive. Now, I'm not saying that these people who are progressive and Christians are not

00:35:36.540 saved. I'm not saying that. I'm not saying that at all. But I'm saying if you are politically

00:35:42.300 knowledgeable, and if you are theologically knowledgeable, then it's really hard to justify

00:35:47.620 being a progressive. Now, I'm not saying that you have to believe in every single part of the

00:35:51.920 Republican platform. I've already said, get out of here with the party labels. I'm not saying that

00:35:56.720 that's what it takes to be a good Christian, to be a Democrat or a Republican. But if you're looking

00:36:01.360 at politics and if you're looking at issues from the lens of the gospel, from the lens of the Bible,

00:36:06.180 then socially and politically, you're probably going to tend to be more conservative. That's

00:36:12.380 just the case. There's something amiss there. If you really think the progressive platform,

00:36:16.900 the current progressive platform aligns more with the Bible, I would just need to have a

00:36:21.600 conversation with you about the confusion there. And one of the big confusions that we see is this

00:36:25.800 idea of social justice, how social justice is justice when, as we've already covered, it is not.

00:36:31.920 And the most vulnerable group to believing this is white evangelical suburban women,

00:36:37.480 which, y'all, is why I have this podcast. That's exactly why we talk about the things that we do.

00:36:43.140 We uncover the subtle lies, the me first Christianity that really has a lot to do with

00:36:48.500 this subject, honestly, because it's all tied together with the Marxism and the social justice

00:36:54.040 that we're seeing within Christianity. This me first, you do you Christianity, this hipster

00:36:59.060 Jesus Christianity, this self-love, self-care, self-focused Christianity, it all has to do

00:37:05.580 with it because it's Christless. And so you remove Christ from the center of it. You put yourself in

00:37:11.140 the center of it. Government also becomes God. And there you go. There you have our entire problem.

00:37:17.700 It is all connected. So the reason we talk about woke social justice Christianity, the reason we talk

00:37:23.120 about the you are enough Christianity is because it all goes together into believing and spinning this

00:37:28.360 web of lies that I personally think women are most vulnerable to. That is why I have this podcast.

00:37:35.460 And let me say for the millionth time, I am not equating being conservative with being saved

00:37:41.840 at all in the slightest. That would be blasphemy. I am not saying that. But I am saying that we need

00:37:49.080 to have a right view of the Bible, a right view of God, and that the right view of the Bible,

00:37:53.500 the right view of God will help us decide what to believe that is correct politically and socially.

00:38:02.640 Not always. We're imperfect. We're fallible. And that doesn't mean, like I said, that that means you

00:38:08.720 always vote a straight Republican ticket. Maybe not. Maybe not. There are honest conversations that

00:38:14.640 we can have about politics within the realm of biblical Christianity. And there can be serious

00:38:19.840 disagreements. And we can still, at the end of this day, say, you are my brother and sister in

00:38:23.560 Christ. And that's fine. There are some issues, however, that are simply not biblical. And I think

00:38:28.900 social justice and all that comes along with it is simply not biblical. Again, definitely doesn't

00:38:36.800 negate salvation. But it does point to a misunderstanding of the Bible and definitely of

00:38:44.060 politics. So share this podcast with your woke friends. Share this podcast to your friends who

00:38:50.760 maybe were previously conservative, but now have a crush on Beto O'Rourke. These are the women who are

00:38:56.900 vulnerable to believing these lies. And it's really scary, but I will be here and we will be together.

00:39:02.660 Now, maybe I didn't inspire you on this Monday. Maybe I did make you more riled up than you wanted to

00:39:09.280 be. But I mean, I hope you're informed and you are thinking about this as you're thinking about

00:39:14.740 the candidates in the election that's coming up next year. That's coming up so fast because

00:39:21.220 it's important. And it's important to see the role of the church is playing in it and the trend

00:39:26.980 of progressivism within evangelicalism. It's really important. Pay attention to your pulpits.

00:39:32.920 Pay attention to your pastors. Pay attention to your Bible studies that you're reading. Pay attention to

00:39:37.540 the Christian influencers. If you hear your Christian influencers that you're following

00:39:42.140 talk more about diversity than you do hear them talk about abortion, you just might need to ask

00:39:49.620 some questions. You just might need to ask some questions. Might have fallen into Marxism. You

00:39:54.680 never know. Okay. Love you guys. If you have any questions, as always, reach out to me. Feel free to

00:40:00.500 leave me a review on iTunes. Helps me out a lot. And hope that you guys have a great Monday. I will see

00:40:06.720 you here on Wednesday for some news.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 18, 2019

Ep 87 ｜ Suburban White Women

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