Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 874 ｜ The Truth & Beauty of Transgenderism ｜ Guest： Kyle Mann

00:00:00.960 Kyle Mann is the editor-in-chief of The Babylon Bee, the best fake news website in existence.

00:00:08.620 And today we are talking about their new book, The Babylon Bee Guide to Gender,

00:00:12.460 the comprehensive handbook to men, women, and millions of new genders that we just made up.

00:00:16.420 Guys, this was a really fun conversation, and I didn't know it was going to go this way,

00:00:23.300 but it just did. And you will hear very quickly what I mean by that.

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00:00:46.040 Kyle Mann, editor-in-chief of The Babylon Bee, thanks so much for being here.

00:00:51.900 Yeah, thanks for having me.

00:00:52.880 Okay, so you have just written a book, or you have been part of writing the book,

00:00:59.540 The Babylon Bee Guide to Gender, the comprehensive handbook to men, women, and millions of new genders

00:01:06.680 that we just made up. I'm very appreciative for this comprehensive guide handbook,

00:01:12.640 because I have a hard time keeping up with all of the different pronouns and all of the different

00:01:16.800 identities. But you, I guess, through lots of travel and extensive research, have discovered

00:01:22.980 all of the different identities that a person can have, and you've put them into this book, right?

00:01:29.700 That's absolutely right. You know, we took one for the team and stared into the

00:01:35.580 abyss of gender theory so that you guys wouldn't have to. And we want to be thanked for our service,

00:01:44.880 and you can thank us for our service by purchasing 20 copies of the book. And yeah, it's pretty insane,

00:01:52.320 but we looked at all the different genders that have been made up, and then we made up a bunch

00:01:56.580 of our own, because, you know, why not? It's a fun thing to do, and you can do it yourself. You can do

00:02:02.560 it at home. Just a fun activity to do, you know, with the kids or whatever, so.

00:02:07.760 Yes, I appreciate that. I appreciate that y'all did include at least like the OG genders. I mean, 0.99

00:02:14.540 they're boring, but they, I mean, they do exist. I think we have to kind of like begrudgingly

00:02:19.620 acknowledge that there are men, and there are women, there are boys, and there are girls, but

00:02:25.360 it's a little more nuanced than people may realize. So can you define for us how the Babylon Bee

00:02:30.520 explains like what a man is or what a woman is?

00:02:35.800 Well, that's a very offensive question that you would even ask me. So I'm just,

00:02:41.520 I want to put that out there just to start, that it's a little offensive. It's kind of a far right

00:02:47.960 talking point. But I think, you know, a man is whatever you want to be, and a woman also

00:02:57.320 is whatever you want it to be, just like all of the other genders. So, but man, you know, man and woman, 0.92

00:03:05.800 yes, 50 years ago, people thought those were the only two. So we do kind of go back and look at like

00:03:13.020 this is the traditional concept of a man. But we do, we do preface that by saying, this is all hate

00:03:20.180 speech. Right. But, you know, a man would be a person who mows the lawn and, you know, can drive,

00:03:29.540 and then a woman does not do those things. But that's, again, that is going back to the 1950s

00:03:36.360 kind of stereotype of there being two different genders. So we do go back and look at the original

00:03:41.980 two in the dark times before very upstanding people that never did anything wrong invented

00:03:49.460 gender theory.

00:03:51.880 Right. And kind of just like debunked everything that for thousands and thousands of years,

00:03:56.500 people thought that we knew. Because I think like the rudimentary, just like, you know,

00:04:01.780 very crass, almost barbaric understanding of gender was like, I mean, chromosomes, or you thought

00:04:08.700 that, okay, when a baby was born, you would just be able to look and observe and say, this is a boy,

00:04:13.880 or this is a girl. I mean, it's almost embarrassing to say that some people at some point thought that.

00:04:20.740 But like, in the last five years, we've actually evolved past what everyone thought for thousands

00:04:27.920 and thousands of years, right? Is that an accurate description of what's going on?

00:04:33.940 Yeah, absolutely. I mean, it does make you ashamed to even be part of the human race when you realize

00:04:40.880 decades ago, or even, you know, three or four years ago, people thought that you could look at a baby

00:04:47.220 and say, boy, right, or girl, you know, so it does make you it does make you a little shame. But

00:04:54.160 you're right. We have progressed past that. And we have evolved past that. Because progress is always

00:05:01.020 good. And as you know, there, there was violence 50 years ago, there was bad stuff that happened in

00:05:07.960 the world. And now you can, yeah, you just know intuitively, like, those those things are behind

00:05:13.980 us. So progress always goes in a good direction. And never in any society have have things progress

00:05:22.660 in a bad direction. So new, what I'm trying to say is new is good. Old is bad. Yeah, that's how we know

00:05:31.900 what's moral and right with with gender. Yeah. And, you know, I just think it's so 1.00

00:05:38.260 it's so basic. And I don't know, kind of boring when you think about it, that some people bring

00:05:45.940 up things like science, or XX and XY, or like anatomy or things like this. I mean, when I'm thinking

00:05:53.500 about this, I'm just like, honestly, like, why is that stuff? Even relevant? You know, I mean,

00:06:00.340 when it comes when it comes to how you feel, and when it comes to, like you said, progress,

00:06:04.660 and when it comes to advances and things like that, I just don't understand why physical reality

00:06:09.620 is even brought into the conversation. It just doesn't really seem all that interesting to me,

00:06:15.840 you know? Well, reality and facts are well known tools of the far right. Right. So that is that's

00:06:24.840 one reason you have to be really careful when you're dealing in the realm of objective reality,

00:06:29.700 chromosomes, biology. I mean, in Florida, you look at what Ron DeSantis is doing right now. And

00:06:36.180 he he has biology textbooks in the classrooms, you know, and you think about, wow, wow, like kids are

00:06:46.340 being taught biology, right? Like, what a fascist, what a fascist regime down there. I live in

00:06:52.840 California, you know, where we've we've progressed past that. And we've banned biology. Yeah. But

00:07:00.280 it is scary to think about scary to think about the younger generation in these far right strongholds

00:07:07.080 and enclaves throughout the nation that are being taught things like facts and logic.

00:07:23.400 I am very thankful, like when I think of, OK, like, what state do I want to look to for morality and

00:07:30.840 just for compassion and virtue and all that? I do think of California first, specifically,

00:07:36.440 like the Bay Area. Usually it's just a place that I like to visit. I walk around like at night a lot

00:07:42.280 just because I just love the feeling of the city because they've just done so many good things

00:07:47.240 there. And they've really led the way in understanding that, as you said, gender really

00:07:52.200 is just something that you that you feel. That's like the point that we've gotten to

00:07:57.960 in our advancement of understanding the human identity. And so you have a chapter in this book

00:08:03.960 of picking your gender. Now, I understand, of course, you're presenting as people can see you've

00:08:09.320 got a beard and you're wearing a gray shirt. I don't think that you're wearing makeup. I mean,

00:08:13.960 I don't want to assume anything, but I understand that you have you've been going through the process

00:08:18.200 of like of picking a gender, too. Is that right? Well, it's it's a process, but it's you know,

00:08:25.720 it's one of those things where like the journey is the destination or the real gender is just the

00:08:32.360 friends we made along the way. Like you don't you never arrive there. You don't like it's so boring,

00:08:40.760 right? If you're at a point where you're like, yes, I have found my gender and this is what I am.

00:08:45.480 Right. Like what? OK, well, what are you going to do with your life now? Like go get a job or like,

00:08:51.240 yeah, it's stupid. So that's why that's why for me personally, gender is a is a process where 0.99

00:08:59.480 that's that's all the fun, you know, is constantly reinventing yourself every day,

00:09:04.760 every hour, every minute. You never want your co-workers, if you have a job, you know, or your

00:09:10.040 people in your commune or whatever to just be able to look at you and go, oh, yeah, he's a

00:09:13.880 man or woman or whatever it is, you know, because at that point, it's like it just robs

00:09:23.080 it robs all the fun out of that process of discovery. So for me, it's like I started this

00:09:28.760 interview as a man, but will I finish it as a man? Yeah. And that's just what we don't know.

00:09:33.960 And like you said, it really is all about that, like second by second, constantly just like making

00:09:39.960 things about you, making things about me and making sure that everyone else is made to feel

00:09:46.600 really uncomfortable and inconvenienced to service my affirmation. And I know you're a parent, you're

00:09:53.160 a dad, you've got kids. What's what's the discipline in your house if your kids make the mistake of just

00:09:59.160 calling you like dad? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Kids misgendering

00:10:05.800 you. I mean, that is whoo. That's one of the worst things. That's one of the worst things that can

00:10:12.200 happen. That's one of the worst things that can happen in a household, obviously, like you're trying

00:10:17.320 to train your children up in the way that they should go. And then they misgender you and you're 0.58

00:10:22.360 like, what? Like, it's a very, it's a very, very, um, triggering experience for me personally, you

00:10:31.640 know? So at that point we, you know, we won't feed them, um, we'll lock them in the room, that kind of

00:10:39.960 stuff. We will, um, we will ban them from, uh, from watching the content that they like, you know,

00:10:48.840 like, um, like the Young Turks. Um, we will make sure that they're not allowed to, um, 0.93

00:10:58.280 they're not allowed to watch the latest Amy Schumer comedy special. You know, you, it's,

00:11:03.400 it's kind of a character stick type thing. And we don't believe in spanking, obviously, 0.78

00:11:07.720 but we do, um, we do have kind of brutal punishments in the way of

00:11:12.200 depriving them of those things that, uh, that they like so much.

00:11:15.960 Yeah. Wow. Getting rid of Amy Schumer comedy specials. I'm sure, I'm sure that the mistake

00:11:22.280 of misgendering doesn't happen again after that. Um, now you do, you do have a chapter in here on

00:11:28.440 raising woke babies, um, which I mean, I appreciated so much as we're recording this,

00:11:37.160 I'm pregnant. And so this was just like, so instrumental for me in understanding how to raise

00:11:45.080 a child, um, that, you know, just based on what we see gives no indication of being male or female,

00:11:51.800 uh, just to be totally fluid and decide for themselves, not too early, but probably like

00:11:56.920 six months or so is when they should probably come to the knowledge of like what their gender identity

00:12:02.360 is. So I wanted, I want to set this child up on the right path. Um, tell other parents who are

00:12:07.640 thinking in the same kind of, um, you know, empathetic ways, how they do that.

00:12:15.880 Yeah. Well, I mean, congratulations. I didn't want to assume, you know, that, that you identified as,

00:12:20.760 um, as a birthing person, but, um, but that's great. You know, we're glad that there's going to be

00:12:27.400 another, another woke baby in the world, um, to spread the message of gender identity out there and 0.81

00:12:32.840 become a, you know, an activist and hopefully you get them out there on the front lines, um,

00:12:38.360 fighting, you know, you can join a baby chapter of Antifa. That's always great. You know, get them

00:12:44.680 learning the, you know, some, some dads play catch with their kids, but that's obviously like, again,

00:12:50.280 that's that hateful far right stuff. You know, you, you need to teach them how to throw them on some

00:12:55.000 cocktails and, and learn that motion early. Cause a lot, you know, let's be honest, Antifa,

00:13:00.840 uh, they burn stuff down, but there's not a lot of upper body strength there sometimes.

00:13:05.160 Yeah. So you really need to start them learning that, learning that mode, that motion early.

00:13:10.360 Um, but yeah, honestly, it's, it's full, it's, it's total immersion, um, for babies. Like,

00:13:17.880 right, like right now, even, you know, you need to get those little devices where you can play stuff

00:13:23.880 in the womb, you know, and you, you need Disney plus constant Disney plus, um,

00:13:29.720 immersion right now, uh, even so. And then as soon as they come out immediately, Disney plus,

00:13:35.000 Disney plus Netflix, you know, you want to show them the transformers episode where they're talking

00:13:39.640 about pronouns. You want to talk about, you want to show them the Disney plus show with the baby

00:13:43.480 dinosaurs, with the two gay dinosaurs who have to adopt. Um, you want that kind of content out there 0.97

00:13:51.400 because that's what, like, really, that's what, um, that's what entertainment is all about is

00:13:57.240 brainwashing. And that's what we want in our shows and entertainment. We don't want to, 0.90

00:14:01.240 we don't want to be entertained or like have some princess saved by a hero. And like, this is a 1937,

00:14:08.120 like we want, we want, um, Snow White and the seven unhoused persons from Portland. And that's 1.00

00:14:15.320 like, that's how you get, that's how you get kids on our side. It's all through the entertainment and

00:14:19.880 the messaging. Yeah. You know, that's like one of my biggest frustrations I think with kids is that

00:14:38.320 they want to be entertained. Like they just want to laugh and they just want something that's good.

00:14:44.480 And they tend to get bored when you try to give them a political message. I just don't know how to

00:14:49.500 overcome that. Like, why do you think kids when they're two, three years old, just don't get it?

00:14:56.400 Like, why do you think that they, they just want to have fun and just want to laugh? I couldn't think

00:15:03.060 of anything worse than just being entertained by a high quality show or a movie with good acting.

00:15:10.540 When I am, if I'm paying money, you know, to go to the theater or to like get a streaming service,

00:15:16.020 I want constant like political messaging to tell me that I'm bad and that I could be better,

00:15:21.760 but I can't get my kids to get on board with that. So like, I don't know, what do I do?

00:15:28.360 Yeah. I mean, that's, that's hard coded heteronormative, uh, patriarchal hierarchy that's been,

00:15:34.980 um, internalized by your child through the evils of our society. Um, so that's something that,

00:15:41.620 that you need to really like beat out of them. I mean, you know, I'm not saying beat your kids,

00:15:46.100 but you know, but like one thing we'll do is we'll take our babies and we'll put them on a blanket.

00:15:53.040 And so if we have a baby that's been assigned male at birth, we'll put them on a blanket. And then 0.99

00:15:58.640 on one side, we'll have a toy truck. And on the other side, we'll have a Barbie. And if the boy reaches

00:16:05.900 for the truck, you know, whack little whap on the hand, and then we do that until he reaches for the

00:16:14.220 Barbie. And that's one way that you can kind of reinforce these, um, the, the, the, you know, new

00:16:22.500 non-normative, uh, standards that we're trying to, that we're trying to implement in our kids.

00:16:28.820 But yeah, you know, like my kid, my son, my seven-year-old the other day was watching Bluey.

00:16:32.540 And it's like this family that has, get this, a dad and a mom. Um, and then just, that's it.

00:16:41.160 Like just a normal, it's like a normal family, you know? And that's like, what, you know? So we had

00:16:47.500 to, yeah, it was, it was really disturbing. It was really disturbing when, when we saw them. So

00:16:53.100 that's another like, wow, no, you know, you have to, you have to do that all the way through the teen

00:16:57.860 years, really. And you have to, you have to be really consistent in that too, just to make sure

00:17:02.480 that there is none of that, you know, like heteronormativity, like you said, like springing

00:17:08.860 up in them or something like that, which I'm sure, I don't know like how you navigate it.

00:17:14.020 Cause you are married to, I mean, I, I don't know. I don't know what your partner identifies

00:17:21.180 as, but just maybe from an outsider looking in, like they might think that you're a heteronormative

00:17:27.060 family, like a man and a woman, but I'm sure you have to constantly show people, no, that's

00:17:33.260 not true. Like we are totally, totally different than just like a man and a woman married.

00:17:39.660 Yeah, it's a real problem. And that's why, um, like one thing that we'll do to kind of push

00:17:44.720 against those gender roles, even though, yeah, we did make the mistake of just getting in a

00:17:49.040 normal heteronormative marriage. Um, one thing that I'll do is I'll have my wife, I have

00:17:54.320 my wife mowed the lawn. Um, you know, uh, parallel park or, you know, like things like that, or

00:18:04.500 do you like maybe stop talking and say, no, I'm fine. Is that kind of what you're, you're

00:18:11.840 going for? Well, with, you know, with the, with the parking thing, it's like, you do want

00:18:15.300 to draw lines because you don't want to endanger anybody's anybody's lives. That's obviously

00:18:19.380 a line that we wouldn't, we wouldn't cross, but like for the other stuff. Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:24.000 Like I'll just kind of, you know, sit on the couch and, and she'll say, Oh, what do you

00:18:30.600 want for dinner? And I'll say nothing. I'm fine. Or I'll say, I don't know. And then I'll

00:18:35.900 let her suggest a bunch of stuff. And then I just go, nah, I don't know. And then, and

00:18:42.500 then, you know, over and over again until it starts it. And that's one way that, um,

00:18:46.840 that we try to push against those, those gender norms, you know, is you just, you have to,

00:18:52.420 you have to look at like, what would a normal person do and then just do the opposite. So

00:18:58.180 I, yeah, I try to, I try to show that I am a, I'm a feminist, you know, I am a strong

00:19:03.300 male feminist by letting my, my wife do all of the difficult stuff all the time. 1.00

00:19:08.700 That's really, I mean, that's really brave of you. That's really brave because there's

00:19:13.060 not very many people who would fight against the patriarchy by saying like, no, honey, I

00:19:18.460 want you to fix the car. I want you to go in the attic and fix the leak. But like, you

00:19:24.220 are willing to make your wife do that. That's, I mean, that's amazing.

00:19:32.520 Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you. I don't get, I really don't get recognized for that

00:19:37.980 enough. Yeah, I'm sure. Well, I just wanted to affirm you in that. Um, now you do have

00:19:43.240 a segment on attracting other genders. I would love to hear more about that.

00:19:51.200 Well, one thing that's a little strange, you know, is that we have this hyper sexualized

00:19:57.860 new, um, gender theory where it's like kind of gender, sex, and attraction are the most

00:20:05.020 important thing about you. And at the same time, most of the followers of it aren't very,

00:20:14.320 uh, I'm trying to say this in a sensitive way, you know, aren't very, uh, attractive or

00:20:19.600 good looking, or they're kind of, it's, it's a struggle, you know, for us woke people is

00:20:25.480 that for some reason people find us mean and off-putting, um, as we're like screaming and

00:20:32.020 throwing bricks at them. So I don't, so what we're trying to do in that chapter of the Babylon

00:20:37.320 The Guide to Gender is, um, really help out our fellow, uh, woke persons of, of unspecified

00:20:45.840 gender and, and give them some tools that they can use to go out there and attract people. 0.84

00:20:52.560 So, and again, a lot of the dating advice out there is heteronormative. You know, it's like,

00:20:57.180 if you're a man, here's how you get a woman. If you're a woman, here's how you get a man. 1.00

00:21:00.480 And that's really hurtful, you know? So we try to do, we try to be more like, we'll give,

00:21:05.820 we'll give specific dating advice that you don't get in other books. You know, if you identify as

00:21:12.540 a tater tot, how do you attract somebody who's a Mandalorian sexual? Yeah. You're not going to 0.95

00:21:19.580 get that in most dating books. You don't get that in, in I Kiss Dating Goodbye. Um, you know,

00:21:26.120 Joshua Harris is a bigot and, and doesn't, um, and didn't cover that. Well, he's realized that

00:21:30.780 too. I just want to give a shout out to Joshua Harris is that he has since realized that,

00:21:37.460 you know, he has since realized that the idea of, Oh, just dating one person to get married

00:21:45.360 of the opposite sex is obviously absolutely disgusting and vile and backwards. So I just 1.00

00:21:50.500 wanted to make sure that we acknowledge that. I apologize. I didn't, I apologize. I didn't mean

00:21:54.900 to slander, to slander Joshua Harris because obviously he has progressed and we know that

00:22:00.800 again, the new is always better than the old. So you progress. He's obviously smarter and more

00:22:07.600 moral and stuff and more courageous now than he was, um, back when he, when he supported that

00:22:12.200 heteronormative stuff, but those, you know, but really he did a lot of damage by, um, putting out

00:22:16.920 this idea that you should be a virgin, um, until you're married and, um, you know, that you should

00:22:22.120 date a man and woman and all this. And so that's, and that is one thing that we're trying to do is

00:22:26.720 we give tools for people so that they won't die alone. Um, and then, you know, whether, whether

00:22:32.220 that's with one person or, you know, multiple, we're not going to judge based on that, um, that

00:22:38.840 attraction. And we also have, we have a tool in the book that's, that, um, helps you identify what

00:22:44.240 your, uh, orientation is in terms of who you should be attracted to. Okay. So, um, I think

00:22:50.600 that one, I don't remember. I think that one might have the, uh, one of them has a, a big target and

00:22:55.840 you flip a coin onto it a few times, you know, and it'll tell you, oh, I may, you know, or it might

00:23:04.040 be, it might be a dartboard. I forget exactly, but, um, it's, uh, it's one of those things where

00:23:09.020 you can kind of go just kind of a randomizer and it's like, oh, maybe I'm, maybe I'm attracted

00:23:13.920 to, um, Patriot missiles today or whatever it is, you know, that's the kind of thing

00:23:20.500 that, uh, that we do in the book. So. Yeah. And because you mentioned tater tot, uh, sexuality,

00:23:28.980 that's probably the like number one question that I get nowadays. That's like the biggest

00:23:33.460 one. Parents call me and they're like, okay, tater tot sexuality, like specifically, how do

00:23:39.460 I walk through this? Is it always going to be tater tot? Is it just a variation of,

00:23:43.220 um, of potato, you know, like, is it fries? Is it, is it going to be mashed potatoes,

00:23:49.000 baked potatoes? I wish I, I don't know all the nuances of it, but it sounds like something

00:23:53.980 that you know a lot about. So if you could just walk us through like what tater tot identity,

00:23:59.760 sexuality, what does that look like? Well, it's fair. That's a very, I mean, again,

00:24:04.760 that's a very personal, it's a very personal question. Um, and it depends on the person,

00:24:09.960 you know, like it, if you wake up and you're feeling like, let's say it's a, it's a nice

00:24:15.960 crisp morning and you're thinking like internally, I feel crisp. I feel so crisp right now. I feel

00:24:22.640 crispy like that. Okay. Made crispy. You know, maybe, maybe you're, maybe you're tater tot. Like

00:24:30.680 that's, that's kind of, and, and, and this is a, this is a template and a process that works for all

00:24:35.140 the different genders. It's, you wake up and just say, how am I feeling? And you try to identify

00:24:39.660 you, you brought it up. You said it best, you know, it's all about you. You define a reality

00:24:44.420 and everything revolves around you. Um, as all the great philosophers of the age have discovered,

00:24:50.240 you know, um, you, it, it is all about you and you will only be happy if you only ever do things,

00:24:56.620 um, to please you and your specific desires. So spend a ton of time thinking about yourself

00:25:03.140 and what your internal feelings are. And then announcing to the world, you know, today I am

00:25:09.380 a tater dot or like today I am like Irish tots, you know, you could be an Irish tater tot,

00:25:16.340 like the cheese and the, uh, but those little like chives, you could put chives on those,

00:25:21.460 you know, like you could be any variation. So it's whatever you want it to be really.

00:25:26.900 Yeah. And, you know, I think that message that you just preached so beautifully that it's about

00:25:36.860 you, it's about you, it's about you like every second. I mean, that's really what this comes down

00:25:43.080 to. Everything revolves around you, no matter how many people you hurt, no matter how many people you

00:25:49.980 lie to or betray really, if anyone expresses any kind of hurt feelings or anything like that,

00:25:57.720 they're probably just, they have some kind of internalized phobia or they're evil in some way.

00:26:05.520 They might harbor, I don't know, some really religious, maybe Mormon thoughts and they should 0.94

00:26:14.000 just be, they should be kind of just cut out of your life. So even if you end up totally alone,

00:26:19.640 the most important thing is that you have every second of every day affirmed yourself and put

00:26:26.920 yourself first and made it about you. Right.

00:26:33.060 Absolutely. And we, we call, there's a term for this, you know, we call the people who disagree with

00:26:38.360 you, even on the most minor of things, we call it being toxic. Yeah. You know, if they don't affirm

00:26:44.760 you, if they don't affirm every single little thing about you, they are toxic and they're to be

00:26:49.080 cut out of your life. There's another word that we call them, we call them narcissists. So if you've

00:26:54.940 dated 50 people in a row and it's always ended in disaster, you're not the problem. You just happened

00:27:04.140 to date 50 people who are narcissists because they didn't reorient their life around you

00:27:09.880 and your every women desire. So it's really important to realize you are not the problem

00:27:14.220 with your life. It is not you. It is the world. You are a victim. Um, if the world won't affirm every

00:27:20.780 single thing you do, then cut the world out of your life. Yeah. You know, that's, that's just really

00:27:25.680 great, really great advice. Yeah. And I'm glad, I'm glad that you're on board with that as well.

00:27:34.140 Well, is this someone that I look to is probably like the smartest person that I know is Lizzo

00:27:48.160 and I've been thinking about her. I, I think that those are her pronouns. Um, I've been thinking

00:27:55.660 about her a lot lately and just, she preaches this kindness message and this just love yourself,

00:28:02.460 love yourself, love yourself, which clearly she does. There's a lot to love, but recently she's

00:28:09.420 had people come out and say, you know, Lizzo is a bully. Lizzo threatened me with violence and she

00:28:18.700 sexually harassed me and she's actually this terrible person. And I just can't help but think

00:28:24.500 that all of those people, they must just be super jealous because all Lizzo is doing is making it

00:28:31.500 about her. And that is one of the most beautiful and actually selfless things that you can do. I

00:28:37.600 don't know if you also admire Lizzo or anyone like her, but gosh, I just feel so bad that all

00:28:42.780 these toxic people are now complaining about her behavior. Well, I mean, I think, I think you're

00:28:51.260 right in that there's a lot of jealousy there that, that, um, that they're in Lizzo's shadow all the

00:28:57.160 time, you know, and all, I mean, really all of us are, are constantly in, in Lizzo's shadow, such a

00:29:02.840 large, um, such a big personality, um, you know, that it's just the gravity of, of, um, of what she

00:29:13.400 does and who she is, you know, just kind of pulls us all in. And I think, I think it's easy to, to just

00:29:19.480 be really, really jealous of, of, of how huge and gargantuan, you know, her, um, success has been.

00:29:29.660 And I, I, so I understand why people are a little bit, are a little bit jealous of, of someone like

00:29:34.760 that. Um, but I mean, really like, I don't even understand what, why they'd say Lizzo did anything

00:29:40.760 wrong. Like she was living her truth. She was being herself. You know, I've seen some of the

00:29:48.040 allegations. We probably shouldn't, you know, repeat them on this show, but, um, she was,

00:29:55.040 she was trying to sexually free and liberate these people in a lot of ways by inviting them to, 1.00

00:30:01.060 um, you know, just go out there and do what you want. And I think it's really, again, toxic,

00:30:08.660 um, and narcissistic of these people to reject Lizzo's, you know, invitation to be their true

00:30:15.900 self. So, um, yeah, I absolutely agree with you. Like Lizzo is, I mean, Lizzo could be a gender. I,

00:30:21.240 I might, by the end of this interview, I might decide that I'm a Lizzo, Lizzo sexual or Lizzo,

00:30:27.300 Lizzo gender, one of those. I'll think about it. Yeah. Wow. That's, that's really heavy. Um, 0.99

00:30:34.040 okay. Moving on to just kind of our, our final, our final things here. I want to get your

00:30:38.600 reaction to some, uh, clips that I found poignant and helpful. Uh, but first I just want to get your

00:30:43.980 take on, I think a beautiful development that I've seen over the past few years is, uh, men dressed

00:30:50.300 in fishnets and thongs and prosthetic breasts and a lot of makeup. Um, well, I, you know, I've gone to

00:30:58.200 these shows with these men who call themselves drag queens for a long time. And, you know, every time

00:31:02.400 that I've gone to a show, I'm like, Oh my gosh, kids need to see this. Why aren't kids here? And that

00:31:07.380 was really my biggest concern when I started going to drag shows 10 years ago, looking around and

00:31:11.300 seeing all of these adults. And I was like, what is going on? Why aren't there kids? And where are

00:31:17.380 the kids books? And why are, why are we at a bar and not a library? So I'm thankful that again,

00:31:23.920 shifted obviously towards better where it's not just bars and nightclubs that we're seeing these

00:31:29.760 men not really wearing clothes and acting like women, but they're finally where they belong. 0.82

00:31:34.280 They're reading kids books at libraries to toddlers. So I'm guessing you feel just as positive about

00:31:42.480 this, um, evolution that's occurred over the past few years.

00:31:47.380 Yeah. I mean, the people who criticize this, um, these drag queen story hours, it's like,

00:31:53.300 do you hate reading? Do you not want kids to be literate? Because kids literally couldn't learn

00:32:02.120 how to read if they weren't being read to by a man in a dress. So I don't like for thousands of years, 0.99

00:32:09.000 people literally for thousands of years of human history, kids didn't know how to read. And the

00:32:16.240 reason for that is because there was no drag queen story hours. They literally did not know how to read 1.00

00:32:21.880 until just a few years ago when, when these started popping up. So now kids can read. Isn't that a good

00:32:27.980 thing? Like, I don't understand, I don't understand these, these far right adjacent QAnon, um,

00:32:34.700 conspiracy theorists, because it's like, you, you obviously hate reading, you obviously don't like

00:32:41.340 books. Yeah. Like how, how is my, how are my kids supposed to learn how to read, how to read if

00:32:45.960 there's not, if there's not a drag queen reading a book to them, like, um, you know, the ABCs of gender, 1.00

00:32:52.700 the LGBTQs, um, the hips on the drag queen goes swish, swish, swish. Yeah. Um, you know, 1.00

00:33:00.080 Antifa baby, all these great books, racist baby. Yeah. And anti-racist baby. Yeah. Um, all of those

00:33:09.340 kinds of kinds of things. So, um, yeah, yeah. Yeah. I completely agree with you. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,

00:33:16.360 other people can keep their kids ignorant and not being able to read if they want to just try to teach

00:33:21.720 him the ABCs or songs or just read them. I don't know. Dr. I mean, Dr. Seuss or something. You can

00:33:31.100 try that. You can try that if you want to. I've never seen it work. I have only ever seen a kid

00:33:37.460 learn how to read when it's been a man in fake eyebrows and fishnets doing the teaching, but that

00:33:44.920 maybe that's just me. I don't know. Yeah. Can you say Florida? Yeah. I mean, come on.

00:33:51.720 Um, all right. Let's, I want to get your reaction to some of these, uh, some of these clips that we've

00:33:57.960 got. Um, let's see. Uh, Brie, I'll let you decide what clips you think are worth sharing and then

00:34:05.500 we'll get Kyle's reaction after they play. Today, I'm going to show you how to use beep boop pronouns

00:34:13.120 in sentences. Aren't pronouns just like he, she, and they? Well, yeah. Pronouns can be he, she,

00:34:18.400 or they. However, they can also be neo pronouns. Beep has a strong sense of self and is confident

00:34:23.760 in boop self and beep's abilities. Beep is proud of boop self and all the accomplishments boop has

00:34:29.540 achieved. And beep is not afraid to show it. And those are so fun to say, honestly, and I love them.

00:34:35.900 Okay. So that was really easy for me to understand. Um, but could you just interpret

00:34:40.540 that for people who might not be as advanced as us? Yeah, absolutely. So, I mean, what pronouns

00:34:46.740 used to do is, you know, they were a part of speech. Again, just trigger warning. This is

00:34:51.320 hateful. What I'm about to say. They were a part of speech that identified the antecedent

00:34:56.040 that you were referring to. So in a sentence, you can talk about a few people and then you

00:34:58.880 can say, and he, and then, you know, they're referring to the male person, um, in the sentence.

00:35:05.920 And then she, oh, they're referring to the female person. Um, but that's, that's not like,

00:35:13.960 again, we've progressed past that now to the point where pronouns are just, you know,

00:35:19.440 how you're feeling today. And then everybody else around you has to know up to the minute

00:35:25.180 what those pronouns are. So they can refer to you by the correct thing about how you're

00:35:28.580 feeling in the moment. So beep, boop, obviously beep there in the video was feeling good about

00:35:34.580 boop self and confident about boop self. So beep went and, um, and explain that to everybody.

00:35:42.120 Everybody now has to respect beep, beep's, uh, statement about boop self.

00:35:50.820 Yeah. See, it's easy.

00:35:51.680 And I hope, I hope I didn't misuse that anywhere there, but that's, that's, um, yeah, that's,

00:35:56.600 that's good. The only thing about the beep, boop, bop thing that I would caution is that is what

00:36:01.280 Gina Carano used as her pronouns for a while. So I wonder it could possibly be a hateful,

00:36:08.540 a hateful thing. So I would caution the beep, boop pronoun for that reason.

00:36:12.360 And I would just, I would just be careful about it. And, um, obviously there's a lot of

00:36:17.100 grace, but don't get it wrong. You know, like that's pretty easy. There's a lot of grace and

00:36:22.760 understanding, but don't mess up because if you do, then, you know, the person who was just misgendered

00:36:30.000 is not responsible for what happens to you after that. So it might be confusing, but also it's not

00:36:35.060 hard. Yeah. A lot of grace, but don't mess up or we will destroy your life.

00:36:52.680 Okay. There's a couple more, uh, brief, you can surprise us.

00:36:56.800 If I am transitioning, why am I pregnant when that's such a woman thing to do? I would first 1.00

00:37:05.380 of all like to say that, um, it is free for me because one person asked why I don't do like

00:37:10.840 surrogacy. Um, I'm basically like, I'm, I feel like I'm doing surrogacy for myself. It's free for

00:37:18.120 me. If I have the parts, I'm a dad, y'all. I'm about to have my third child. If I haven't,

00:37:22.580 I'm going to get my well use out of it. That, I mean, I just relate to that so much as a pregnant

00:37:30.240 individual myself, being your own surrogate. Wow. Wow.

00:37:38.260 My, one of my greatest regrets in life, you know, is that because I was assigned male at birth,

00:37:43.340 I will never be able to be my own surrogate and I will never be able to be a child factory who bleeds, 1.00

00:37:51.800 you know, that's just like, yeah, it's so dignified to be thought of. Yeah. Right. It's so dignified to

00:37:59.880 just be thought of as the biological processes that you can, um, that you can perform, you know,

00:38:07.740 you're, you're a child factory. You, your job is to pump out more children and, you know, that there 0.98

00:38:14.720 was a way that that was hateful years ago, but now we've arrived to the point where that's

00:38:17.960 good. Good again. So yeah, you're child, child factory. Yeah. It's really sad that I can't be

00:38:24.480 that so good for him. Yeah. Bleeder menstruator. Like, I just like, I love that. It feels very 0.99

00:38:32.000 empowering to me anyway. Um, okay. Do we have one more that we can react to? Okay.

00:38:38.500 Hi, my name is King and I'm a non-human alter in a DID system and I'm making a discord server for

00:38:43.260 people who experience wing dysphoria is of course open to systems with non-human headmates. And it 0.99

00:38:47.260 is also open to, I think they're called wing kin, literally anybody who experiences wing dysphoria.

00:38:52.560 Hope to see you there. There are folks who experience wing dysphoria and who get the, um,

00:38:56.640 phantom wings. I know we are all familiar with the, um, feeling of needing to stretch our wings and not

00:39:02.740 being able to, but is it as common of an experience to feel like you have water on your wings? Like,

00:39:09.300 feel like your wings got wet and you need to like fluff them up and shake the water out and,

00:39:14.080 and you can't, and it's frustrating.

00:39:18.280 So thoughts.

00:39:23.180 Okay. So wing dysphoria is

00:39:25.640 feeling like you have wings, but on your body, but you don't, which is a hateful fact about reality.

00:39:39.840 Again, reality is a right wing, uh, hate crime. Yeah. So, I mean, I, and I, I applaud these brave

00:39:48.080 people, you know, that, um, that are willing to go out and say the thing that we've all been feeling

00:39:54.060 that we wanted to have wings. Like I, I jumped off the roof when I was, when I was six, you know,

00:39:59.840 to fly. And, and I, my parents were hateful and they said, you don't have wings. Like you're going

00:40:08.240 to hurt yourself. And what they should have said was, oh my gosh, like you have wing dysphoria and 0.71

00:40:16.500 they should have recognized that. And my, the whole course of my life could have been different.

00:40:19.800 Um, but there's, there's various kinds of wing dysphoria. You know, there's, um, obviously

00:40:23.820 people that feel like they're like an eagle or vampire. They do vampires have wings, a bat,

00:40:29.080 bats have wings. Um, you know, a B2 bomber, like all of these things are different ways that you

00:40:34.640 could feel that wing dysphoria. So I really feel for those people and hope that they're able to

00:40:38.240 get the medical help that they need to get that, um, those prosthetic wings installed.

00:40:43.220 Yeah. It's just, it's so powerful to hear this person. I think it's she, her talk about feeling

00:40:50.380 the water on her wings and probably the wind beneath her wings and to, but how difficult

00:40:58.800 would that be to wake up every day and to do what you did to jump off your bed or jump

00:41:03.820 off your roof or like, I mean, empire state, whatever. And then to every time end up in the

00:41:11.820 hospital, like, I don't think we have enough sympathy for that.

00:41:17.120 Yeah, absolutely. And that's, that's the kind of thing that, that us non-gender conforming

00:41:21.860 people deal with every day that other people that are just driving to their jobs and working and,

00:41:27.860 and, you know, having a good time with their families and, and all of that, that's the kind

00:41:32.500 of experience that they will never understand. You know, just jump, you know, you go to the top

00:41:36.920 of the empire state and try to jump off and they're like, Hey, you don't have wings. Ah, triggered.

00:41:41.500 You know, that's, that's an experience that they'll never have to suffer through. So we

00:41:46.640 need to think about these, these oppressed. Yeah. Uh, people groups. I agree. And we don't

00:41:51.760 have time to get into it, but this, you know, sweet lady, uh, I don't know, hawk, uh, blue 1.00

00:42:01.100 jay. I'm not sure exactly, but also talked about headmates and I don't know if y'all cover

00:42:05.580 this in this book, but that's something I see on Tik TOK a lot where there are different

00:42:09.260 people in, um, a person's brain. And, you know, I think that used to be a medical diagnosis.

00:42:16.060 It's not anymore. Now it's a beautiful thing, um, to embrace. Like if, you know, a few years

00:42:23.220 ago we thought, okay, if someone has voices inside their head and they're jumping off buildings,

00:42:26.740 that's bad, but now we get it, you know? So I just think that this book is helping people

00:42:36.760 understand that there's so many different ways to be and nothing is wrong that you feel

00:42:43.080 is good. Right.

00:42:43.980 Exactly. I mean, I pray that we can progress to the day where someone's trying to jump off

00:42:49.840 a building and the cops pull up with megaphones and they just say, you do you, follow your

00:42:57.920 truth. And then they let them jump because that's, that's the kind of society that we're

00:43:03.760 trying to build. That's what we're trying to do in the value on be guides of gender is 1.00

00:43:06.720 we're trying to create this kind of society. So, um, if you're, if you're a good person,

00:43:14.080 you will buy the book. If you're a better person, you'll buy many copies of the book.

00:43:18.260 And if you're a hateful bigot, you know, then you, then you won't,

00:43:22.060 you won't buy any at all. Right. Maybe one for every gender. Um, yeah, I would love that. That'd be

00:43:29.880 great. Yeah. Well, Kyle, thank you so much. And, um, keep us updated. If you want to come back on

00:43:36.560 with different, uh, you know, different identities or different ideas that you have,

00:43:41.540 as you said so well, every new idea that someone has is good and better than the last idea and

00:43:51.060 discovery that we had. So I know that there will be more books because there's always new thoughts

00:43:56.120 define this social construct that some people refer to as reality. So thank you, Kyle. Thank you so much.

00:44:02.600 Everyone can go, uh, buy this book wherever books are sold. And, um, as Kyle said, your morality is

00:44:10.960 directly tied to how many books you buy. So thank you, Kyle, so much. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 18, 2023

Ep 874 ｜ The Truth & Beauty of Transgenderism ｜ Guest： Kyle Mann

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