Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - September 19, 2023


Ep 875 ｜ Is DeSantis a RINO？ ｜ Q&A


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In this episode, Allie answers some of your questions about VBAC after a C-section and discusses the pros and cons of elective c-section vs. a vaginal birth. She also talks about the benefits and risks of both and why you should try for a V-BAC.

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00:00:00.000 What's the truth about child stars? Are they becoming organically famous or are they part
00:00:07.260 of a pattern of exploitation by the adults around them? Also, should you try for a VBAC
00:00:15.240 after having a C-section? I will give you my opinion on that. And what is the deal with all
00:00:24.480 of this political infighting? Why does it seem like the right disagrees on so much more than the left
00:00:31.220 does? And is that a problem? We will talk about all of this and much more on today's episode of
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00:00:42.000 Allie at checkout. That's goodranchers.com. Code Allie. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. We are here
00:00:56.500 for another question and answer episode, answering some of the questions that you guys sent me on
00:01:01.580 Instagram. We will go ahead and get right into it. First question you ask, should I go for a VBAC or
00:01:10.200 just do elective C-sections? All right. For those of you who don't know what a VBAC is, I'm sorry,
00:01:16.980 Related Bros. Maybe you need to cover your ears if you don't know. VBAC is a vaginal birth after C-section.
00:01:25.480 And of course, I cannot tell you. I cannot tell you what to do because I don't know. There's so many
00:01:30.700 things, so many factors that people say go into it, like what your scar is like, what your previous birth
00:01:37.240 births were like, and what your medical history is. And you have to weigh the risks and the benefits
00:01:44.120 based on all of these varying factors. And hopefully, you have a provider that can help you
00:01:50.360 do that in a way that is really objective and cares best about and who cares the most about,
00:01:57.020 you know, your health and the health of your baby and not just whatever is easiest. I will say,
00:02:03.240 if you look at the statistics on vaginal birth after cesarean, it is statistically, statistically,
00:02:09.560 of course, again, depending on various factors, extremely safe, even safer in some cases than a
00:02:14.880 repeat C-section. I think some people have the impression that a repeat C-section is without risks
00:02:20.820 and that it's always the safer and the healthier option to take after you have one C-section. And that
00:02:28.940 is not true. There are a lot of risks that come with that kind of major surgery, a lot of long-term
00:02:35.620 problems that can come from that major surgery. Now, I'm very thankful for C-sections. I'm very
00:02:40.800 thankful that we exist in a day and a place and a time where you can have a C-section that is 0.98
00:02:47.180 probably going to be extremely uncomplicated, that maybe saves your life, maybe saves the life of your
00:02:53.280 child or your children if you're carrying multiples. And so it is an incredible invention of modern
00:03:01.560 medicine that we should be thankful for, absolutely. But in America, our rates of C-section
00:03:07.580 are incredibly high. And we're not talking about C-sections that are actually necessary.
00:03:15.320 We're talking about C-sections that are either elective C-sections, because unfortunately,
00:03:19.640 a mom has been told that C-sections are easier than a vaginal birth, which I can tell you that 1.00
00:03:24.340 that's not true, or that they're safer for you than a vaginal birth, which across the board is
00:03:30.080 not true. Again, maybe in some circumstances it is, but in general, no, it is not. Or moms who are
00:03:36.240 scared to go through the pain of labor, or they're scared of what labor does to their body, whatever it
00:03:42.180 is, some women are convinced to get a C-section. And a lot of times you have doctors who, for whatever 0.99
00:03:48.060 reason, a lot of times for self-interest or because just based on bad medicine, bad ideas,
00:03:54.260 they push women into a C-section. Women who do not need a C-section. Women who are perfectly healthy,
00:04:01.200 their babies are perfectly healthy, but they're approaching their due date and their doctor pushes
00:04:05.920 them into an induction. And the induction doesn't work because the mom and baby simply weren't ready to
00:04:11.280 give birth yet. And then they're pushed into a C-section because they're told, well, this was a failed
00:04:19.920 induction. We gave you Pitocin. We gave you the Cervidil or whatever it was and didn't work. Hey, you're
00:04:26.160 already 40 weeks. Let's just go ahead and take the baby out. Unfortunately, that's what happened to me with
00:04:30.860 my first birth. And I just didn't know any better. And so that's really my biggest recommendation to you
00:04:36.500 is to make sure that you are well-educated on your options and to make sure that you have a provider.
00:04:42.840 Find a provider in your area. And there are all kinds of networks on social media. Like I found a
00:04:50.700 Facebook page that was just for VBACs in my area. And all of these women who have had C-sections and
00:04:57.340 VBACs would say, oh, definitely go to this doctor. Avoid this doctor. This is a great midwife. This is not
00:05:02.660 a good one. This hospital has high C-section rates. This hospital has high VBAC rates. And so find you a
00:05:10.340 good provider that will tell you the truth. A good provider who tells you the truth will say, here are
00:05:16.280 the risks of a VBAC. Here are the risks of a repeat C-section. They will not pretend like a repeat C-section
00:05:23.700 has no risks. And a good provider will not push you into unnecessary interventions just because it's
00:05:33.320 easier and more convenient for them, just because they feel more comfortable, because they have more
00:05:38.080 control over a C-section. There are fewer variables. You don't want a provider that is going to push you
00:05:45.060 into things that just aren't medically necessary and aren't best for you and your baby, but maybe makes
00:05:49.720 them more money or allows them to go on that vacation at the time that they wanted to go on
00:05:54.400 the vacation. That scheduling an induction and a C-section certainly gives them some more flexibility 0.99
00:05:59.480 in that. So you really want to find a midwife or a provider that is going to tell you the truth about
00:06:07.240 the risks and the benefits across the board, and that will ultimately support you in your choice
00:06:12.260 and will be extremely encouraging of you should you safely pursue a VBAC. VBACs, like I said,
00:06:18.360 even after multiple C-sections, can be extremely safe and even safer in some cases than, again,
00:06:28.420 the repeat C-section. So don't be scared. There are going to be people in your life who say,
00:06:32.740 oh, no, just go to the C-section. Oh, no, that's so dangerous. Oh, no, that's so awful. Oh, no.
00:06:37.740 Once a C-section, always a C-section. Those people just don't know. They just don't know.
00:06:42.300 There are a lot of resources out there about a VBAC versus a C-section. Do your work.
00:06:47.700 Educate yourself. Walk into that meeting with your provider with as much information as you possibly
00:06:53.340 can. And yeah, that would be my advice to you.
00:06:58.380 Let's talk about something different, a little lighter subject, free. Let's talk about musical
00:07:18.520 theater. Because I don't know if people know this, but I did musical theater for a little bit growing
00:07:25.940 up. And you were a musical theater star. I was a star.
00:07:30.460 You were a star growing up. And we talked about this the other day behind the scenes.
00:07:35.640 But I really liked theater and I liked Broadway and musical theater and things like that. I certainly
00:07:44.240 wasn't my singing voice is average, mediocre. But I still did. I did it outside of school. And so I was
00:07:52.820 in like a few plays and musicals as like smaller parts. And we were both in Into the Woods. Yeah.
00:07:59.480 And you were Jack's mother. Yes.
00:08:01.400 Okay. Explain what Into the Woods is. Into the Woods is like, well, the actual version of the show
00:08:07.440 is like not a kid's show. It's like very dark. But yes, it's basically telling like an interwoven
00:08:14.580 story of from like fairy tales. It's like Jack and the Beanstalk, Cinderella, Rapunzel. Yeah, Rapunzel.
00:08:22.520 And it centers on like a baker and his wife, just like normal characters who are trying to
00:08:29.440 now I don't even remember. They're trying to find something. I don't know. Trying to find something
00:08:35.820 and they encounter a witch. And it's long. It's long. And I remember it's long because when I was
00:08:42.300 in it, my dad, my mom and dad came to the show. And the first half ends with like a song that's like
00:08:48.660 happily ever after. And then you come back. And your dad was so excited. My dad was ready to go.
00:08:53.040 And my mom said that was only the first half. Oh, my gosh. And I just feel bad for him because
00:08:58.000 it was high school theater. And I probably wouldn't want to sit through it either. Yeah. But yeah,
00:09:02.920 it's long. Yeah. I was one of the stepsisters. Oh, yeah. Cinderella stepsister. And me and the other
00:09:11.720 girl, it was awful because OK, because Into the Woods is is known for having some like
00:09:18.560 difficult music, right? Like difficult singing. So I remember that. And I was so proud to have been
00:09:25.120 cast in this cast because it was seen as like more advanced. And I was not advanced. But as much as
00:09:33.300 they tried to get me, I think it was Florinda and Lorinda, maybe our name, something like that.
00:09:39.260 As much as they tried to get us to be able to harmonize, we couldn't. It sounded awful. Like I
00:09:44.880 remember one time performing and looking out at the director and she was making this face. She was
00:09:51.220 like, hmm. That's pretty bad. Yeah. I mean, I was like in sixth grade. But I do remember trying out
00:09:58.380 for it. And I sang for my tryout song, which they said was good, maybe for sixth grader, was A Whole
00:10:05.860 New World. Oh, cute. Yeah. I tried to sing it in the car the other day. I was like, wow,
00:10:11.000 my voice has changed a lot. I can't reach these notes at all. So and then we I had some plays in
00:10:17.660 high school, Nicholas Nickleby, which I was supposed to have a British accent for, which was
00:10:22.500 terrible. But I liked playing like characters, like funny characters, like in Thoroughly Modern Millie.
00:10:31.200 There was I think it was like Miss Flannery or something like that. I don't remember her name,
00:10:37.540 but that was that was fun. And I liked creating my own characters for skits, for drama class. That
00:10:44.000 was fun. But the character roles, I think, are actually easier to play than the just
00:10:50.460 regularly with that. I agree with that. I never felt like I was like leading lady material because
00:10:57.220 I felt like those roles were a little bit more boring. Totally boring. And I also I was cast in a
00:11:03.360 role. I put I was in Robin Hood. And I played Lady Quigley. And I don't remember anything she does.
00:11:09.140 But she's like the sidekick of the main character. And I he was like, dude, just do a Scottish accent.
00:11:16.880 Just do that. It's just easy. I was like 15, I think. And I man, I tried. Can you try now?
00:11:23.460 I don't think. Oh, actually, it turns Irish, I think, when I try. But so no, I don't want to offend. 0.53
00:11:32.740 I won't make you. It's my favorite accent. And I just could not do it for the life of me. But I
00:11:38.700 sure tried. Yeah. Wow. What's it? What's your favorite role that you played?
00:11:44.280 Um, I don't even remember the name of the play. I was in a one act play. And I played a stage mom.
00:11:52.240 Oh, and it was very dramatic. I could see it. And it was so much fun. Yes. I don't remember that
00:11:57.920 much about it. But I remember I had a lot of fun. Yeah. You know, there was like a time that I
00:12:02.480 thought about when I first got married. And we lived in Athens, Georgia. I was like, I wonder if there
00:12:08.360 are any like theaters, any plays that I can try out for. That's what you do when you have time.
00:12:14.140 You think about things like that. Now I can imagine. Although that's why I still like doing
00:12:19.480 like sometimes little skits that we do, which we don't have as much time for as we as I used to
00:12:25.200 before I was doing four episodes a week. But that is just like a fun, a fun part of.
00:12:32.380 I don't know, a fun, a fun thing that I like to do. I don't know what I'm trying to say.
00:12:38.260 It's a fun little hobby, but it does take a lot of time. When I was in France, I was in I was in
00:12:43.560 Romeo and Juliet. Oh, really? Yeah, it was just like a summer thing. And we had like a little
00:12:49.460 theater outside of the Sacré-Cœur. And it was very picturesque. It was really fun, but it took a lot
00:12:56.340 of time and it was exhausting. And I was I just did to meet people. And I did. But I was also
00:13:02.820 like, did you have to speak French? No, it was in English. Oh, but yeah, it was a lot of effort.
00:13:11.500 You know, but nowadays, I think that parents have a lot of hesitance to allow their kids to be in
00:13:17.800 theater because theater. I mean, theater has always been a hotbed of and I say this as someone who was
00:13:24.200 in like an extracurricular theater program for like three years of my life. OK, so I feel like I
00:13:29.740 can say this. Theater attracts some strange people, right? It attracts some strange people. And now
00:13:36.280 you can't just be strange. You have to be trans. Like you have to be non-binary, you know? And so I
00:13:42.880 feel like it's not always parents are scared about like the morals that come with, you know, their kids
00:13:50.460 being into the arts. And that's sad. That is really sad. I know. I remember my parents kind
00:13:56.820 of talking about that a little bit when I was in high school. Yeah. And now I'm like, it's so much
00:14:03.060 worse. Yeah. Everybody's a them now. That's why Hollywood's weird. Just a bunch of theater kids 0.98
00:14:08.900 who happen to be good looking. Yeah. And you can spot you can spot them from a mile away. But yeah,
00:14:14.360 really. Yeah. And, you know, all those celebrities you think became famous from like their big break
00:14:21.720 when they were 25. You realize they were part of the Mickey Mouse Club when they were like seven or
00:14:26.920 they had been in Disney or they had been in showbiz for like their entire lives. So you can't be really
00:14:33.460 that surprised when they're weird when they named their kid zucchini or something because it's like
00:14:37.680 you don't know. That's your whole thing. I was just I was talking to my brother about how
00:14:41.720 Olivia Rodrigo. Yeah. Who I think is a really talented songwriter. Totally. And very pretty. I love
00:14:48.200 her music, actually. But like she was like a Disney kid from. Really? And they and they went out of
00:14:56.620 their way to like make her one. I think it's the thing that's like the parents like wanted her to
00:15:02.800 audition for stuff like that. And it worked for her, which is great. But you can't ignore the fact
00:15:09.020 that like some of this is a product of the system of cranking out little pop stars and little
00:15:14.580 actresses and even Taylor Swift, who I love. You guys know that I love her. The narrative is like,
00:15:22.920 oh, she was discovered. But her dad works for some huge firm that has ties to something. And he they
00:15:35.040 moved specifically to Nashville to like push her music career. Where is she from? She's from 0.98
00:15:41.940 Pennsylvania. See, yeah, that's so interesting, because I think I might have like known something
00:15:49.360 about that. But you do kind of see her as this country star. So she moved to Tennessee when in
00:15:56.940 her life? I don't know. I don't know exactly when because she spoke with a twang when she first
00:16:02.220 started. So are you saying that's not genuine? No, I mean, I think I don't know, maybe they might
00:16:07.340 have had ties there also. But yeah, I mean, she that was a specific. No, she was like a country
00:16:14.400 star. She she was also like 14, though. So she pretended she I heard in the grocery store. 1.00
00:16:24.120 Drew looks at me. And I was like, oh, my gosh, her heyday. I know. Not really her heyday. I mean,
00:16:31.300 she's obviously very famous now, but just so sweet. Yeah. And now she's rerecording all those
00:16:36.820 songs. And I'm wondering if she's going to put on the accent again. Oh, yeah, that's true. She's 0.99
00:16:42.100 kind of lost the accent. Yeah. Pennsylvania girl now. Yeah. Yeah, that's so that's really interesting,
00:16:50.060 because you do see someone like Olivia Rodrigo as oh, she's just such she's so Gen Z. Like she 1.00
00:16:58.220 I'm sure to Gen Z is like very relatable how she dresses, how she acts, that like trendy apathy that 1.00
00:17:05.120 is so cool for Gen Z. Yeah. But it's like she probably hasn't been socialized that well.
00:17:10.460 Right. You know? Yeah. Which is so sad. We want to think that it's like all organic. It's all like
00:17:16.500 they're sitting in their bedroom and a talent like we were talking about the other day, a talent scout
00:17:21.160 just randomly walks in and is like, wow, you're amazing. Heard them singing on the grocery aisle.
00:17:25.580 Yeah. But but really, I think for most for most people, it's just not like that. And
00:17:30.520 yeah, because it's manufactured, they don't get the like, the normal experiences that the
00:17:35.600 rest of us do. Taylor Swift never went to high school. I mean, she went to like two years of
00:17:38.700 high school, I think. But like, yeah, I mean, that'll kind of make you a little different.
00:17:45.140 A little different. A little different. Yeah. Did you ever read Jeanette McCurdy? I'm glad
00:17:51.680 my mom died. You didn't? No, you recommended it to me. I haven't read it yet. And you didn't
00:17:56.300 read it. You were like, I don't care. I was like, no. No, I want to. No, but I think you
00:18:00.380 would really like it. Yeah. Yeah. She was raised by a mom who she was, what was it? What was
00:18:08.960 the Disney show that she was in? iCarly. iCarly, yeah. Yeah, she was in iCarly. And that for
00:18:16.360 us, in our minds, we're like, that's the only thing that she did. But she was doing stuff for
00:18:19.900 so long before that. And for years after that, just like her mom wanted her to be famous,
00:18:24.660 but also really wanted her to be skinny. They had a very weird codependent relationship where
00:18:30.120 her mom was like strangely abusive. And like, I say strangely and like, not just your traditional,
00:18:37.640 I'm going to like slap you, but emotional, all that kind of stuff, even like sexual abuse.
00:18:43.020 But she really lived for like the approval of her mom and trying to be famous. And she 1.00
00:18:48.160 thought that, okay, this is what I want to do too. But really, she conflated her mom's desire
00:18:54.640 with her own desire. And I just wonder how much that happens to these kids. That sure, they decide,
00:19:00.580 yeah, I want to be famous. Yeah, of course, everyone likes attention. Everyone likes to be told you're
00:19:04.500 beautiful and talented. But I wonder how much of it is really their choice and how much of it they're
00:19:09.880 told. This is their choice. And that is troubling. Yeah. And I mean, there's also the element of like,
00:19:17.120 when you're a kid, it's, it's child labor. And I can't imagine a lot of those kids want to go
00:19:23.680 and film for eight hours a day. I know there are limits, but to go into a studio, like they probably
00:19:29.900 just want to like hang out with their friends. And play video games or something like you have to go
00:19:36.280 and work and memorize lines and like do things over and be told what to do. And kids don't want
00:19:41.420 that. So yeah, maybe some of them have like vision for this and like are built for this. Some of them,
00:19:48.620 you just have to, you just have to imagine they're not. And that destroys, I think that destroys some
00:19:53.380 of them. And there's so much exploitation too. And like sexual exploitation of these kids and like
00:19:59.080 the things that you hear and learn about and see when you are a young child in Hollywood
00:20:04.200 can't be that great. Like it's not only that your time and freedom is taken from you,
00:20:09.380 but your innocence is taken from you probably. I think that's why a lot of them end up so messed
00:20:15.220 up at such a young age. And like in some ways it's just like a failure to grow up because they
00:20:22.720 weren't ever given, they weren't ever given normalcy as a child. Yeah. They're like shotgunned
00:20:28.520 into adulthood when they're kids and they skip a whole phase of life. And that's so sad.
00:20:33.760 In that book, does she talk about Dan Schneider at all? Yeah. I think. I think. I don't know. Who
00:20:40.340 is he? He's like, he's been the executive director. Well, not anymore. He was the executive director,
00:20:45.760 producer of a lot of those Nickelodeon shows. Well, she does talk about a guy. I can't remember
00:20:50.280 if that was his name who was like very weird with the young talent. He, I think it just came out
00:20:57.860 actually that he was like specifically asking these young stars for like feet pics. Oh, I saw that.
00:21:05.180 Yeah. But I don't know if that's the same person. I'm sure there's a lot of creepers out there
00:21:10.080 because they can manipulate these young kids. Oh, if you do this for me, I'll do this for you.
00:21:15.200 And I bet a lot of the parents are like, well, yeah. Yeah. If it makes us famous,
00:21:19.980 if it makes us money, which is really, really sad. All right. Next question. No one is talking
00:21:39.040 about women outside the role of mom and wife. Is that all I am to the church? So there's a lot of
00:21:46.840 parts of this question. First, I would say that Paul says it's better to be single than to be
00:21:53.560 married. We know that Jesus wasn't married. And so it is a very singleness is a very high calling.
00:21:59.380 Not everyone is called to it, but we are told that it's a gift because you don't have to split your
00:22:04.080 priorities and your interests between your family and God. You can be completely 100% sold out to
00:22:11.380 what God is calling you to do individually. Whereas if you are a spouse or if you are a parent,
00:22:19.440 you are not thinking only about your individual calling. You are thinking about the needs and the
00:22:28.640 well-being of your family. You should be. That's a godly thing if you are a spouse or a parent
00:22:32.400 doing that. But, you know, that's a necessary, I don't want to call it a distraction because I
00:22:39.620 don't want us to demean that. But if we are to read what scripture says about singleness and about
00:22:46.360 the exclusive focus on Christ that singleness affords you, I think that it's okay to say that
00:22:51.000 it is a form of a distraction that is added to your life when you get married, when you have kids that
00:23:03.660 you don't have when you're single. And of course, these things are blessings. We know that marriage,
00:23:08.800 according to Ephesians 5, is a reflection of Christ in the church. There is great eternal gospel
00:23:14.980 significance in marriage. We also understand from Psalm 127 that the kids of your youth,
00:23:21.560 the children of your youth, are like arrows in your quiver. They are blessings. They are never
00:23:26.300 burdens. And we are beneficiaries of the gift of children. They do not detract from who we are.
00:23:35.320 They add to our lives and add and multiply our joy. But even so, as we said, being single is a high
00:23:45.200 calling. It is a good calling. And sure, I do think that the church absolutely could do a better job
00:23:52.180 at ensuring that we talk about singleness. We talk about single women, single men,
00:24:00.140 as not as people who are just waiting to get married. And that we are not talking about singleness
00:24:09.360 as a perpetual waiting period. And we're not talking about marriage as something that you have to attain
00:24:16.120 to, to have fulfillment, or to assuage loneliness, or to be a true Christian. And that we don't talk
00:24:24.340 about motherhood or fatherhood as something that you have to do or have to aspire to in order to be a
00:24:31.840 fulfilled, happy Christian. Again, these things are wonderful. They are blessings. God may have them
00:24:37.260 in store for you. But they are not the highest Christian calling. The highest Christian calling 0.73
00:24:42.500 is to glorify God. And so we need to make sure that we as a church are talking about marriage versus 0.97
00:24:49.600 singleness in a way that is biblical. And I do think when it comes to how we were raised up in youth
00:24:57.620 group and so-called purity culture, which I've done an episode on in the past, and what purity actually
00:25:03.980 looks like according to scripture, I do think that we were basically told the only thing that you're
00:25:09.500 thinking about right now is sex. And the only way that you're going to have that satisfied,
00:25:14.200 um, the only way that you're going to be able to satisfy your deepest desire, which is sex,
00:25:18.820 it was assumed, is through marriage. So just like really just like hold on tight until you get there.
00:25:24.720 Then when you get there, you can finally be happy. You can finally be free. You don't have to worry
00:25:28.100 about this like struggle anymore. And really that was seen as like the goal, as the thing to think
00:25:33.880 about, the thing to pray about, the thing to, uh, use as your lens through which to like read
00:25:40.220 scripture and read books. And like, that was basically our focus was finding a good husband
00:25:45.580 or finding a good wife, which is a beautiful pursuit. It's a beautiful thing to want and to
00:25:50.880 pray for. But again, it is not the goal. It is not the prize. Christ is the prize. Um, and so there,
00:25:59.500 and so we just need to ensure that there are so many opportunities for single men and women to serve
00:26:05.140 in the church, that they are just as much welcome in our Bible studies. They're just as much welcome
00:26:09.660 in our small groups. They're just as much welcome, uh, you know, in certain roles in ministry.
00:26:16.300 And, uh, I do think marriage is beneficial when it comes to some ministry roles, because we should
00:26:23.480 be able to like, look at how a person leads their family and engages in marriage and raises their kids
00:26:27.920 that can kind of tell us how well they'll be able to lead certain things. Um, but certainly we should
00:26:33.980 ensure that we are equipping our single people to be evangelists, to be teachers, to be
00:26:39.560 the people that God has equipped them to be no matter their marital status. And that the, we tell
00:26:44.720 them that they can honor Christ fully. They can be happy in Christ fully. They can be satisfied in
00:26:51.300 Christ fully right now, even as a single person. And they don't have to wait for their Christianity
00:26:56.780 or sanctification to really start when they get married or when they have kids. Um, let's see.
00:27:04.920 Uh, next question. Um, do you think that DeSantis is a rhino, a Republican in name only? Uh, I don't,
00:27:16.980 and I've never thought this. I know that that's what a lot of like strong Trump supporters want
00:27:21.140 to say that he's a Republican in name only. And really he's just part of the establishment
00:27:25.080 and that, you know, you can't vote for him because he can't trust him. I don't really know exactly
00:27:31.380 where that is coming from. I think he has a very solid record, especially as governor, um, in
00:27:38.040 actually fighting for conservative values, the values and principles that you and I have. Uh, I'm
00:27:44.480 not, I'm not concerned about that at all. Like if anything, I'm concerned that Trump doesn't really
00:27:49.420 have a cohesive worldview that he kind of goes whatever way the wind is blowing and that there's
00:27:57.060 no like moral impetus for the policies that he advocates for, which maybe you don't care about
00:28:02.460 that. And I'm not saying that someone can't accomplish good things, um, simply by basing their
00:28:09.600 policy decisions, you know, on what their voters want, but you really want someone to like get it.
00:28:16.620 You know, you really want someone to know the why behind it. And I don't think Trump understands
00:28:21.100 that at all. Honestly, at the end of the day, I think that he thinks most of us Christians are
00:28:25.240 silly probably that we're backwards. I mean, he's definitely on board with at least parts of the
00:28:31.040 LGBTQ stuff. He said some good things, uh, which I appreciate about being against child mutilation,
00:28:36.680 et cetera. Um, but he, uh, he has also been, you know, wishy-washy on some things. And I think that's
00:28:46.440 just because he doesn't really have a moral foundation. I don't worry about that with Ron DeSantis.
00:28:50.420 Not that I personally know every facet of his faith or anything like that, but he seems to
00:28:55.540 me to really get it, to get the why, like, why do we care about gender? Why do we care about the
00:29:02.200 family? Like, why do we care about, you know, corporate America trying to infringe upon our
00:29:08.980 rights? He seems to, so I don't, there may be legitimate criticisms. I'm not saying any candidate
00:29:15.060 is perfect. I don't understand the rhino one. Um, I, I just don't really, I just don't really
00:29:22.720 get that. And I don't think it holds a lot of water. Um, why party infighting is bad for America?
00:29:39.880 Uh, someone asked me, I guess, to talk about this. This will be the last question that I answer. So
00:29:44.420 I'm going to repeat something that I thought of in the moment when I was talking to my friend,
00:29:49.020 Blaze TV colleague, Oren McIntyre, a few months ago. And I said, it is easier to agree when your goal
00:29:59.520 is destruction than it is to agree when your goal is to build. So the progressives goal,
00:30:09.320 progressivism's goal is to destroy. It's to take down barriers. It's to take down parameters,
00:30:16.620 boundaries that have been previously placed, um, for societal reasons. I would say for protection,
00:30:25.000 they would say completely arbitrarily. So the definition of the family, the rule of law,
00:30:31.980 the gender binary, let us destroy these things. And so we can move to a more equitable, 0.99
00:30:39.740 liberated society. They have no coherent vision for what to build in the place of all of these,
00:30:47.360 what they would call social norms that they have demolished in the name of freedom and the name of
00:30:53.660 equity. Uh, the rights, we are not looking to just destroy. I mean, anyone can take a bulldozer and,
00:31:01.640 you know, tear something down, tear an edifice down. You don't really need a strategy in that.
00:31:08.000 You're just destroying your lane waste. Whereas on the right, we are constantly asking ourselves,
00:31:14.060 but what do we want to be? Like, what do we want this country to be? Like, what are we trying to
00:31:19.080 build it into? We know these things are good or we disagree on, okay, this edifice is good.
00:31:25.420 This structure is good. This boundary is good. This boundary is not, we should build on that.
00:31:29.600 We should tear that down. No, we should build on that. No, we should tear that, that down.
00:31:33.260 Here's the materials we should use. Here's the foundation. That's really what we kind of disagree
00:31:36.960 on. What foundation should we use? We know we need to build something, but what foundation,
00:31:40.560 like how many fences do we need to put up? How many bricks need to go here? Like that is much
00:31:45.120 more difficult. It's much more difficult to decide on how to build something than how to
00:31:49.980 destroy it. There's basically only one way to destroy something. And if everyone takes a hammer,
00:31:55.780 you can destroy a building together without speaking the same language, without having the same,
00:31:59.940 you know, moral vision. Whereas on the right, we're trying to build. And so it's really difficult
00:32:06.040 for us to agree because we're all kind of starting from different places. We all generally kind of agree
00:32:11.420 that, okay, the government, that progressive government overreaches bad, but we disagree on,
00:32:18.380 like, where do our rights come from? We shouldn't disagree on that, but unfortunately we do. Like,
00:32:22.660 where do our rights come from? What rights do the government have? Does the government have
00:32:28.660 versus us? What's the role of the family? What's the definition of the family? Do these things matter if
00:32:34.420 we're building a coherent moral vision? What is a coherent moral vision?
00:32:37.840 Um, so we have a lot of disagreements on the right. And while I do think party and fighting
00:32:44.480 is deleterious, it's also inevitable when it comes to building something. So what we need to do
00:32:53.240 as conservatives is we need to decide on our foundation. And here's the problem though.
00:32:58.880 I'm not going to budge on believing that the foundation is that we were all created by a God
00:33:05.000 who made us in his image as male and female and created the family. I'm not going to, I'm not
00:33:10.280 going to budge on Genesis one. That's God. I'm not asking for a Levitical law. Certainly I'm not
00:33:15.680 asking for a theocracy. I'm just saying all laws start somewhere, start with a worldview are based
00:33:20.980 on something, have some foundation. Let's start with Genesis one, at least that there is a higher
00:33:26.240 power that transcends the government that gives us our rights. Therefore the government is not the
00:33:31.260 highest power. Can't give and take away those rights arbitrarily. We were all made in his
00:33:34.980 image. So people matter more than plants and animals. And he made us male and female that's
00:33:39.620 fixed. And he made us in his image. So we matter. So abortion is bad. Murder is bad. Like trampling
00:33:46.760 on people's rights is bad. So like, I'm not going to compromise on Genesis one 27, but there are a lot
00:33:53.200 of people on the right who don't believe that, who think that we can be founded upon reason as if
00:34:01.360 that's something that can just happen in a vacuum. We should just be founded upon facts again, as if
00:34:08.300 objective truth exists without a transcendent power and objective universal moral order. It doesn't.
00:34:16.900 So that's, that's the issue. I'm not going to budge. I'm not going to budge on Genesis one.
00:34:21.720 And someone on the other side is probably not going to budge on believing that we can just be
00:34:25.840 enlightenment thinkers and all start from a place of like rationality, which apparently just evolved
00:34:31.400 over time. So I don't really know what to do about that. There's going to be infighting. Do I think
00:34:37.460 it's probably detrimental? Yes, but we've got to agree on the foundation until we can agree on that.
00:34:43.520 There's going to be a lot more division. I can link arms with people that agree with me on like
00:34:48.780 gender, but maybe disagree with me on abortion. I think that's fine, but I'm not going to budge on the 1.00
00:34:53.240 foundational things. And at the end of the day, it's more important for me to abide by what God's
00:34:57.920 word says than to win any elections or be seen as like the right kind of Republican or whatever.
00:35:04.100 So that's my take on that. All right. That's all we have time for today. We will be back here soon.
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