Ep 882 ｜ The Left's ＂Holy War＂ on Education ｜ Guest： Liz Wheeler
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Liz Wheeler's new book, "Hide Your Children: Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's Kids," details the deep-rooted Marxist plot to destroy the nuclear family and take control of our children's minds.
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The powers that be, specifically the progressive powers that be, are after your kids.
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The time has come for parents to do something about it.
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And not just do something about it, but understand what we are up against, who specifically we're
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That's why my friend Liz Wheeler, the host of the Liz Wheeler Show, wrote this book,
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Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's Kids.
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You are going to love hearing her articulate what is in this book, why she wrote it.
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It's a perfect setup for actually reading the book and understanding and ingesting everything,
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all the information that she has given us in the book, all the tools that she's given
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us for how to apply the information that she is supplying us with.
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And so I know you're going to love this discussion I'm having with her.
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You've got a new book, Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's
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We talk so often off the air that it's fun when we get to be on a show together.
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It's called Hide Your Children, Exposing the Marxists Behind the Attack on America's Kids.
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And it really started as a question that I think a lot of us parents had, especially during
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COVID, we would look over our children's shoulders on Zoom school and we'd see that there was
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poison being poured into their minds, whether it was critical race theory or the transgender
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ideology or just good old fashioned moral relativism, your truth and my truth more important than
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And it seems to me that this was a more concerted effort than ever before to attack our children.
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The answer to that is not so much why, but who, who is behind this attack?
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This attack has been ongoing for nearly a century.
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Actually, the left has been trying to re-engineer our society.
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And unfortunately, they've been quite successful at it.
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They have captured what I call four out of the five major foundational cultural institutions.
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They've captured a lot of religious institutions.
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And they've just about destroyed the nuclear family as well.
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There is one element of the nuclear family left standing.
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That's children, which probably explains why the left has set their target on our children.
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So what I do in my book is I name the names of the people behind the capture of our institutions,
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the people behind the attack on America's children.
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And then I offer a solution, which, Ali, I will tell you is different than the solution
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the Republican Party offers for how we can retake our institutions and protect our children.
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I think it's very important to protect our children for the sake of their individual souls.
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If we allow the left to capture our kids, then our nation is done.
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Yeah, tell us a little bit about the why behind their strategy.
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But why do these people who are trying to prey upon our children, as communists have done
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for a very long time, or really totalitarians of every stripe, have done for a very long
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Well, if you look at the nuclear family, the nuclear family has always been the bulwark against
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It's always been the institution around which society was properly engineered.
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Here in our own country, that's certainly true.
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We wouldn't be able to have a limited government, a small government, if we weren't relying on
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married couples to take care of their own children versus relying on the government.
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As you said, communists and Marxists have focused on trying to destroy the nuclear family for
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I believe there are religious undertones to this as well.
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The nuclear family is not just an institution of secular society.
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The nuclear family is a reflection of Christ's love for his church.
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A married couple is supposed to be this example on earth of the mystical love that Christ has
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for his church, where the husband is the head and sacrifices his life for his wife, and his
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wife respects and submits to his mission to protect her and to sanctify her and to help
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And this is an existential threat to communists because communism is at its core a satanic
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It rejects the human person and the freedom that our creator endowed us with.
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So we've seen throughout the course, even of American history, we've seen communists and
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Marxists come after the elements of the nuclear family.
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There's man, there's woman, there's marriage, there's sex, and there's children.
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We've seen radical feminism go after women and tell women that, you know, we shouldn't
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actually serve the role in society that God created us to serve as wives and as mothers.
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We've been degraded and told that that is meaningless, that our worth lies only in the amount of money
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Men are under sustained assault right now in our country with the Me Too movement, this
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assault on the idea of presumption of innocence until or unless proven guilty.
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I mean, you have grifters, con men like Andrew and Tristan Tate telling young men that what
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it really means to be a man is to be materialistic and exploit women.
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Conservatives surrendered marriage to the left a long time ago.
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And I know that this can be an unpopular thing, even for Republicans and conservatives,
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even for some Christians to discuss, although I confess that one's a little of a head scratcher
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But conservatives rendered marriage to gay marriage out of this false idea of just being tolerant
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or being inclusive when really it gave away, it broke the institution of marriage, what it
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means in our country, in addition to giving politicians or judges this role of being allowed
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to redefine words, being the arbiters of truth, which is just authoritarianism.
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Sex has been under sustained assault, the proper ordered form of sex, the proper place
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That's been under assault since the sexual revolution, as we all know.
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So there's really one element left of the nuclear family that needs to be compromised for the family
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And Marxists understand that if they can radically alienate children from parents, if they can
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destroy parental rights, if they can cause children to turn, willingly turn against their
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parents, then what is the purpose of a nuclear family, even in practicality, let alone the
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So I think that this is really their moment of truth, if you will.
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They understand, the Marxists understand that their time to impose this Marxism on our country
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is now or never, which is why they are so relentlessly, so deliberately assaulting our children as blatantly
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And, you know, obviously, kids, God created them to be vulnerable.
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They created them to care about authority, care about pleasing authority.
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They made them, or God made them to be extremely teachable, which is why he also created the
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family, because parents have an instinct to seek after the well-being and the best interests
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of their child in a way that even the best teacher can't.
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I mean, even very good teachers and educators and mentors simply don't have the same interest
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and the same instinct towards protection of children as the parents do.
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And yet, parents have been convinced, I think, to kind of delegate that responsibility of what
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is essentially discipleship, all education is discipleship, and that responsibility of formation
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to strangers that they don't know in any kind of education system, but particularly the public
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education system, which we know is dominated mostly by progressive ideology.
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Like, if you look at the history of public education, it has been about conformity.
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And now we just have a particular kind of indoctrination, which is an indoctrination against what we know
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about gender, what we know about truth, what we know about morality, what we know about
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It's a destruction of all things good and right and true.
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Not speaking for every single classroom of every single school, but the system at large,
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from the teachers' unions to the education department.
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And yet a lot of well-meaning parents just willingly, voluntarily, happily surrender their
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kids to the indoctrination of this ideology for hours and hours every week.
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And then we wonder why America goes the direction that it has gone.
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But it's because these people are extremely militant in the recruitment of our children
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Yeah, it's so interesting that you bring this up, because one of the points that I
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make in my book is that indoctrination itself is a morally neutral term.
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It's what's being indoctrinated that determines whether indoctrination is good or bad.
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In fact, public schooling in the United States didn't become compulsory, didn't become mandatory
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Massachusetts was the first state to make public education mandatory.
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And the reason that they did this was not to teach children reading, writing, and arithmetic.
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It wasn't about what we would consider academic subjects.
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The reason they did this is because at the time there were a lot of immigrants coming
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to our nation and specifically Catholic immigrants coming to our nation.
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And the Protestant politicians at the time wanted these children coming to our nation who
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had been born in another country to be loyal first to the United States.
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So they wanted them indoctrinated in American civics.
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And these Protestant politicians were pretty anti-Catholic and wanted these children to
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be indoctrinated into what they term Protestant values.
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I find this to be so fascinating because our education system, our public education system
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It was always intended to indoctrinate children.
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It was just intended at the beginning to indoctrinate children in good things and what's good and right
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and beautiful religious values and American values.
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But somewhere along the way, the people who had made public education mandatory, understanding
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that the purpose of it was indoctrination, surrendered the power of that institution, allowed it to
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be captured by communists and Marxists who also understood that the public education system
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And for the last 50 years, they've dominated education from K through 12 through the university
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And yeah, it's no wonder that so many people in our generation, so many people in Gen Z,
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even younger, it's no wonder so many of them are anti-American.
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And I know it can sound like a difficult challenge when you call out individual parents for this.
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But one of the things that I've been very encouraged by during the writing, the last year that I've
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spent writing this book, is recognizing the movement that's been happening in our country
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So many parents have had their eyes open to the fact that they have been essentially walking
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blindly, that they have been deferring to the authority of teachers and public health officials
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and pediatricians and librarians and all of these people that we colloquially call the
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And parents, for the first time in my lifetime, I'm seeing parents say, well, wait a second.
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Maybe they're not basing their advice and their mandates in science or reality.
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And I find that more encouraging than focusing on the parents that are still willfully putting
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I know that can be a difficult conversation, but, you know, I've talked about this.
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You've talked about this a lot over the past few years, just recognizing what indoctrination
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You make such a good point that if you break down the word indoctrination, you're placing
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There are good doctrines and there are bad doctrines.
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There are true doctrines and there are false doctrines.
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And so every bit of education is indoctrination.
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I hear a lot of people say, you know, kids shouldn't be taught what to think, how to, but
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Yes, of course, it's important to teach kids how to think.
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But of course, we teach kids what to think, too.
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Not just how to come to the conclusions, but what the conclusions actually are.
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And when you think about education like that, that, okay, your kids are being made into disciples
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The left understands that there's, it's not just about how to think.
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And yet some conservatives, although I think you're right, they're waking up, they still
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believe that we can get back to a time when everything is just neutral.
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There is some like neutral, secular space that we can all be in where our values are
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just like mutually agreed upon based on no cohesive worldview.
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I think that that is actually why the left wins so well, because as you said, there's
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And they are in the business of conquest, religious conquest, based on a very specific
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I don't think there's any such thing as neutrality.
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I think that either the left is controlling these institutions or we are.
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I don't believe in this idea of this, this even playing field where we all can remove
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our values and thus every individual can simply choose to live his or her life however,
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In fact, the second half of my book, I think I'm prouder of than the first half of my book.
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The first half is about the individuals and the organizations that are behind the capture
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of the institutions behind the attack on America's children.
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In the second half of the book, you could call a critique of the Republican Party for
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the exact reasons that you mentioned, because the Republican Party is supposed to be the
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They're supposed to be the ones fighting against communism and Marxism, and they've failed.
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You can look at any library right now, the children's sections of any library, pull up
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your Twitter and look at the Drag Queen Story Hour.
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And the reason for this is the Republican Party has lost sight of a very important question.
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And that question is, if we, as the United States of America, are supposed to be a free
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Is freedom the ultimate end or is freedom the means to something greater?
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And I'll tell you, Ali, this is something that I've changed my mind on in the last few
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It started actually back at CPAC in 2016, eight years ago.
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And afterward, I was out in the lobby being interviewed about my speech and about the
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And this independent journalist comes up to me and asks me, what do you think the role
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And I remember being surprised at the time because most of the questions were, do you think
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And I remember giving this guy a pretty, a pretty libertarian answer.
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Oh, I think government should stay off our lawn and mind its own business unless it's
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protecting inherent rights, God-given rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
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And the journalist follows up and says, okay, well then do you believe in the legalization
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And I said, well, no, I don't think that we should legalize drugs.
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And I, I answered and say, well, because that would cause destruction in our society.
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And he asks me, he says, well, do you think that your answer to this question is a contradiction
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of your definition of liberty and how you think government or what role you think government
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And I remember at the time in, in my head kind of being like, huh, that's an interesting
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It turns out the guy was an activist, not a journalist.
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But this conversation stuck with me for years and years because he's wrong about marijuana,
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but he is correct about this libertarian idea of liberty.
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And I realized that if we embrace this idea that freedom is the ultimate end, then what
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David French said about drag queen story hour being a blessing of liberty is in fact, correct.
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Even though you and I and everyone watching and listening to the show knows that it's not
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And so if freedom is not, if it cannot be the end and up into itself because it leads
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to immorality, then freedom must be the means to something greater.
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And the Republican party has forgotten to answer this question.
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We've forgotten to ask, well, what is the something greater?
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What do we mean when we say we want human flourishing?
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We've just completely neglected to answer that question.
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We've been so busy pointing out what's wrong because it's fairly easy to identify what's
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And we've forgotten to define and then offer what is right in its stead.
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I think a lot of us have had the evolution that you just described.
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Really, what stunned me about what you just said is that 2016 was eight years ago or was
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But secondly, I think that a lot of us feel the same way.
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We've seen through the just the speed at which the moral devolution is going and the sexual
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revolution or devolution, however you want to describe that.
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I think that we've just all had that kind of whiplash that you described and realized,
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OK, the role of the government has to be a little bit different than just live and let
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And of course, you do believe in a level of liberty, of course.
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And I know the left always accuses the right of being authoritarian, which is laughable when
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But what you're saying is what the left has said for a long time, that there is no neutral
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ground and that liberty has to be tethered to something.
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The left believes that, too, that liberty has to be tethered to things that I think are
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immoral and wrong and must be constrained for different reasons and in different ways than
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what we believe. But the right also believes that, too, like we also believe that there
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are limitations, but we believe that our limitations and our reasons for our limitations
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are actually good, that our parameters, that our definitions, that the morality that we
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And so I do I agree with you that conservatives just kind of need to come to terms with that
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The reason why we believe that we are endowed with certain inalienable rights is because
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there's a creator who created all of these things.
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So tell us a little bit more about like how specifically we apply that knowledge that
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That doesn't mean we have to agree on everything theologically.
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We agree that our rights come from somewhere, that morality and truth come from somewhere,
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that these things are authoritative and that that authority transcends the power of the
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Like we've got to agree on that in order to build from there, from that foundation, in
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order to push back on the assault that is the religious Marxism from the left.
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So tell us a little bit more about what that looks like.
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So what's really interesting is this idea that I'm proposing isn't a new idea.
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So if you look at the Declaration of Independence, if you'll allow me to get a little historically
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nerdy for a moment, the Declaration of Independence, written by Thomas Jefferson, used the ideas
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or the definition of liberty of John Locke, who was essentially libertarian.
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He believed that a society should be as close to absolute freedom, meaning animalistic anarchy,
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if you will, as possible for a civilized society.
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And after the Declaration of Independence, a brilliant document, you know, I have no quibble
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We had the Articles of Confederation, which essentially embraced John Locke's view on
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liberty as well, this libertarian view on liberty.
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And it resulted in chaos in the United States of America.
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It was unworkable for us to be a cohesive nation.
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And this Constitution that came from this convention was not a libertarian document at all.
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It did not resemble the Articles of Confederation.
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It did not resemble any of John Locke's ideas on liberty.
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Instead, James Madison, the father of our Constitution, the author of our Constitution,
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If liberty is not the ultimate end, it is the means to something greater.
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And in Federalist Paper No. 51, he gave us the answer.
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So the something greater that liberty is the tool to use to achieve is justice.
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And what's more, Madison pulled this from Edmund Burke.
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Edmund Burke also defined liberty as justice, but he went a step further.
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He said the definition of justice, because, of course, that's the question that follows,
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well, okay, liberty is justice, but what is justice?
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He said the definition of justice is original justice, capital O, capital J.
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And what he meant by that is he meant biblical justice.
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Now, a lot of people are going to respond to this and say, well, are you talking about theocracy,
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And the answer is no, I'm not talking about theocracy.
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The foundation of our country was built on this shared understanding of the definition
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of right and wrong and man and woman and marriage and immorality and morality and liberty and justice.
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And you don't have to be any kind of religious person.
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To understand that that is the necessary component or the component that is necessary for our society
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to be cohesive, we have to have a foundational agreement on the definition of these foundational
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They don't like our country or anything we stand for.
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Republicans have just lost sight of the fact that it's OK to have morality and moral order
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That is in no way a breach of the separation of church and state, because it's requiring
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no one to worship a God that they don't want to or go to church when they don't want to.
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It's no religious participation necessary, which would be what a violation of church and state
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It is instead an understanding that we can't have a society unless we agree that there are
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And it's already written into our Constitution what those objective truths are.
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This is what I challenge people in my book to reclaim that and restore it so that we can
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And, you know, a lot of people, you know, myself included, have complained that the left seems
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so much more cohesive, so much more able to build coalitions and to accomplish something
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I'm like, well, there is a there's a reason for that.
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The leftist ideology, progressivism, Marxism, whatever you want to call it, collective it,
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It is really easy to just give a random person a sledgehammer and to not care how they go about
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it, to not care what they're destroying, as long as they're destroying something, as long
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as they are given a tool to tear down these institutions, to tear down the family, to tear
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You don't really have to have a cohesive moral vision.
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You don't even have to know what you're going to build after everything is destroyed.
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So it's kind of easy to just link arms with someone who wants to take a bulldozer to things.
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And in order to build, you have to have a foundation.
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It's not going to work if your foundation is sticks, my foundation is sand, their foundation
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That is the difficulty of coming together with conservatives, because I agree with you
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100 percent unless we all at the very least have the shared foundational understanding of
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who is ultimately in charge, where our rights come from, that there is a supreme transcendent
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right and wrong, that virtue really actually objectively exists, and that our laws have
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to flow from these things while not compelling people to worship Jesus the way that you and
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Unless we start there, then it's not going to work.
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Like we can agree on a lot of different things.
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There are atheists, secular, leftists that I agree with on gender and different things.
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But ultimately, at the end of the day, if we don't agree on the foundation and then build
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And what I really love is that you talk specifically, it's specific in the second half of your book
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We know who's behind it, first half of the book, which we don't even have time to get
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I really encourage people to read it because it's so interesting how you track all the
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people and how it connects to like modern people in charge today.
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But the second half of the book is like, okay, we've got we know who's behind it.
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So what's funny is my editor, when I gave him the first draft of that last chapter, he
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said, this is intimidating, Liz, even for a president of the United States, let alone
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And I tell this, I tell this little tale on him because that's what I intended it to be.
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And just make sure your home is in order and everything else politically and culturally
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will follow narratives that we've been hearing for the last 50 years from the Republican
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Yes, of course you should, as an individual, have your affairs in order.
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Of course you should have moral order in your family.
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But conservatives have forgotten that limited government doesn't mean that all government
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Limited government simply means that our government has enumerated powers.
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It has limits to it and it's accountable to us, to we, the people.
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It doesn't mean that government has no just authority to help order our society.
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And yet the Republican Party has fallen for the false idea.
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And you can see this, by the way, Chris Christie is a really good example of this right now because
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he refuses to or he condemns states that are trying to ban transgender surgeries for children
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because he said that's not a limited government viewpoint.
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And I almost laughed when I heard this because I thought, well, what are you, what do you
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think the morality of limited government is if it's going to allow children to have their
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genitals mutilated in the name of a Marxist ideology?
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Government has just authority and it's time for Republicans and conservatives to understand
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that the just authority of government should be harnessed to properly order our society along
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I call it natural law because it means natural law is this reason that God instilled in each
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We can discern what's right and wrong for ourselves.
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English law, which is what the Constitution was built on, was built on natural law.
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So I have a list of 12 governmental ways that conservatives and Republicans must, they
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should, but they must use the government to properly order society.
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Otherwise, we are going to continue in this chaos that we are living.
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Sometimes these things can't be done just you and me at home, Allie.
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It can't be done just go to church and raise your children according to biblical values.
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Those are great things, necessary things, moral things.
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Sometimes it takes our collective efforts to pressure our elected officials to do the
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right thing at the governmental level, to harness the government's just authority to
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make sure our society is ordered along natural law.
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Our Constitution was made for a moral and religious people.
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It is wholly inadequate for any other kind of people.
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Right now, we really don't have a moral and religious society, unfortunately.
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That's, of course, if we could snap our fingers, like, we would change the hearts of the people
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Like, we all want that kind of spiritual revolution to happen, that kind of reawakening.
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And as you said, it must be used to pursue justice, to constrain evil, and to promote
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And it's also what happens to be good for everyone, too.
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They can get it wherever books are sold, right?
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And you can go to HideYourChildrenBook.com, HideYourChildrenBook.com, or Amazon, Barnes & Noble, or anywhere
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But my hope is that once you read this, you are inspired for the fight.
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And these are the tools that we have been asking for for decades for how to actually retake