Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 884 ｜ Sex Change Regret： Why the Surgeries Never Work ｜ Guest： Scott Newgent

00:00:00.260 Scott Nugent has become a prominent voice against the medical transition of children.

00:00:05.760 Scott went through the medical transition process eight years ago and is very open about the complications and the deeply felt regret held because of those surgeries.

00:00:15.780 We get into all of it. Scott's transition, the danger these procedures pose not just to minors, but also to adults and pronouns.

00:00:23.920 Scott presents as a man, but is a woman.

00:00:27.200 So what does this mean when it comes to pronouns and identity and things like that?

00:00:30.960 There are many things on which Scott and I disagree.

00:00:34.300 Anyone who has listened to Relatable who knows me will be able to detect where in Scott's answers I don't necessarily align.

00:00:42.080 But I wanted you to hear her story, her perspective.

00:00:46.020 You already know mine.

00:00:47.520 It's a very fascinating conversation that I know that you're going to be educated by, but also hopefully emboldened by, too.

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00:01:10.200 Scott, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.

00:01:13.220 I really appreciate it.

00:01:14.460 Absolutely.

00:01:15.180 Thanks for having me, Ellie.

00:01:16.220 Yeah, so a lot of people know your name from Matt Walsh's documentary, although you've been talking about your transition for longer than that.

00:01:23.420 What's it been like, though, since the documentary came out for you?

00:01:26.280 Well, it's been nuts, quite frankly.

00:01:30.620 Thousands of emails and text messages from parents all over the world that are dealing with medicalization of children and thankful that I spoke up and Matt speaking up and other people are speaking up.

00:01:42.240 But it's been a roller coaster, quite frankly, yeah.

00:01:45.780 Yeah.

00:01:46.660 And did you expect the reaction that you got?

00:01:49.600 Because, I mean, on the documentary, just for people who don't know, you talk about the medical complications that you've had to endure because of your transition.

00:01:56.440 Were you surprised at just the outpouring of support and questions and stuff that you've received?

00:02:02.100 Yes.

00:02:02.500 You know, I've been doing this for almost five years now.

00:02:06.200 I mean, it helped with, like, the first bill in South Dakota, you know, for – so I've been doing this for quite a long time.

00:02:11.500 And I was asked to be in a lot of different documentaries.

00:02:16.140 And I say no to a lot of things.

00:02:18.100 I don't think people realize that there's a lot of people that want all this attention.

00:02:21.640 I was never one.

00:02:22.840 I felt like it was a duty.

00:02:25.120 You know, I got really sick and kind of made a promise with God that if I was here for my kids, I would do this.

00:02:29.980 And so this is a very core – it's very personal to me.

00:02:35.740 It's about my kids, basically.

00:02:37.360 Right.

00:02:37.640 So when I was approached about what is a woman, I didn't know who Matt was.

00:02:43.620 I don't look into stuff.

00:02:46.360 I just let my gut tell me what to say yes to and what to say no to.

00:02:50.700 And that was a firm, firm yes for me.

00:02:53.400 And I didn't know.

00:02:54.400 I mean, as soon as it came out, everybody's like, oh, Matt Walsh is famous.

00:02:58.020 I'm like, what, the Jewish guy with a huge beard? 1.00

00:03:01.680 So you didn't know.

00:03:02.860 I had no clue.

00:03:03.700 You didn't know.

00:03:04.380 And just FYI, Matt is Catholic.

00:03:06.620 So just kind of making a joke there.

00:03:10.520 Okay.

00:03:10.820 So a lot of people, because of that and because of just probably following you since then or maybe even before that, they know your story.

00:03:17.260 But a lot of people don't.

00:03:18.380 Yeah.

00:03:18.760 So just take us back.

00:03:20.360 Tell us who you are and why you do what you do.

00:03:23.660 Well, at 42, I started the medicalization process.

00:03:28.080 And I was kind of in a vulnerable place in my life.

00:03:30.760 I was married to a woman who was a Catholic and very, very religious and never, never wanted to be. 0.97

00:03:37.320 And who wants to be gay, by the way? 1.00

00:03:39.080 But never really accepted it and always kind of soothed herself with the idea that, you know, she's not a lesbian. 0.90

00:03:43.660 It's just me.

00:03:44.780 I was born in the wrong body and I was a man.

00:03:47.240 And she had said that to me for years, like joking, like, you know, you lock the doors just like, you know, my ex-husband or something.

00:03:53.040 You know, men do that. 0.79

00:03:53.920 And it was a joke, right?

00:03:56.120 Your partner would say this to you?

00:03:57.780 Yeah.

00:03:58.020 Okay.

00:03:58.280 And it was a joke, you know, all the way around.

00:04:01.140 It wasn't anything that was – she wasn't being horrible about it.

00:04:04.420 She's not a horrible person.

00:04:05.360 But it was a way to kind of soothe herself, right?

00:04:07.660 And I got to a pretty vulnerable place in our relationship where, you know, she was going to have to tell her family about me, all that kind of stuff.

00:04:17.540 And, you know, we were watching, I think, what is it, like, Caitlyn Jenner had a reality show, you know, Jazz Jennings.

00:04:27.100 Oh.

00:04:27.560 And just – we were watching it, you know, on a couch just kind of like this.

00:04:30.680 And I just looked at her and went, God, maybe I was born in the wrong body.

00:04:33.140 And she was like, yeah.

00:04:34.540 And I was like, well, I don't – let's go see a therapist.

00:04:39.240 And the next week we were in front of a trans woman therapist who, you know, said, how long have you been dressing like a man now?

00:04:44.080 If you knew me before I medically transitioned, you would think that was a joke.

00:04:48.220 I mean, I used to do hair and makeup in my early 20s.

00:04:50.440 It's how I got into business sales.

00:04:52.960 So – but I was at a vulnerable place, right?

00:04:56.020 And so that one sentence –

00:04:57.320 And why were you at a vulnerable place?

00:04:59.380 I was at a vulnerable place because of the relationship that I was in.

00:05:07.060 And her family didn't know about me.

00:05:09.820 We had gotten together before and then broke up.

00:05:13.140 I left her because I didn't think that she would be able to be in a gay relationship.

00:05:17.180 And I didn't want to kind of pull her apart.

00:05:19.740 And so then she came back and said, I'm okay with it.

00:05:22.400 I'm going to tell everybody.

00:05:23.120 And it was like right at that vulnerable place and, you know, her son was pregnant with his wife for the first time.

00:05:30.760 And I remember she was on the phone with him and got off the phone and was like, God, I wonder if I'm going to be able to, you know, see my grandkids.

00:05:37.620 So it was just a very, very vulnerable place, you know.

00:05:41.600 But you had been out as a lesbian for a while. 1.00

00:05:44.520 Absolutely, yeah.

00:05:45.420 But for her, this was kind of a secret thing.

00:05:47.580 It was a secret thing.

00:05:48.000 And you were afraid you were going to lose this relationship.

00:05:50.640 True, yeah.

00:05:51.260 I was with a woman who's still my best friend that we had three children with and that, you know, didn't work out and we were separated.

00:05:59.500 And so this was my second wife kind of thing. 1.00

00:06:02.640 So it was a very vulnerable place.

00:06:05.520 And, you know, that trans woman that said that, I don't think people realize how vulnerable kids are.

00:06:10.720 You know, at 42, I was a business sales executive.

00:06:12.880 I wasn't – I've never been kind of a meek person.

00:06:16.500 But I remember in that therapy room, again, I was on a couch like this and I remember she said that and I was – looked down and then I looked up and I, you know, looked at my wife and then I looked at the therapist and I was like, I guess all my life, I guess.

00:06:33.300 You know, and I remember for the – for two weeks after that, it was a really, really hard place to be at.

00:06:41.480 Like I was a joke.

00:06:43.240 Like for my entire life, I'd walk by somebody and they'd go, yeah, that's Kelly.

00:06:47.800 I think that's a dude.

00:06:49.300 She doesn't know it.

00:06:49.980 And so after that initial period, after a couple of weeks, I started to think, wow, what would my life have been like if I was born male?

00:07:02.500 And I thought to myself, well, you know, I started school early at four in kindergarten.

00:07:09.040 The teacher started reading a book, you know, and all the parents were there, you know, because it was the first day.

00:07:13.740 And I, you know, walked up, grabbed the book and said, your inflections are wrong.

00:07:16.900 And I proceeded to read it.

00:07:17.920 So I've always been a very strong personality.

00:07:21.340 You know, our father, my sisters here, was a professional athlete, you know, played baseball and then, you know, rode motorcycles, just kind of like the Marble Man kind of a thing.

00:07:32.040 And, you know, for me, I was also an athlete.

00:07:35.600 So overly aggressive, a good athlete, very strong, dominant personality, same-sex attracted, that type of stuff.

00:07:44.060 And so it made it so that I was on the outs as a child.

00:07:48.700 And so when basically I had this revelation that I was born in the wrong body, I kind of interjected the different gender.

00:07:58.340 And I went, God, my life would have been gone from awkward to, you know, oh, I mean, the male that every man and woman would want, you know, the athlete and everything that was hard would have turned easy.

00:08:11.600 And so it was at that point I couldn't I couldn't let go of that.

00:08:14.900 And that's what's happening to these kids.

00:08:16.240 So when you sat in front of the therapist, which you said was a trans woman, and I always kind of have to translate that.

00:08:23.140 People ask me, wait, what is trans woman? 0.92

00:08:25.000 What does trans man mean? 0.76

00:08:25.940 That is a male who is presenting as a male.

00:08:30.260 Yes.

00:08:30.680 So said to you, how long have you been dressing like a man?

00:08:33.920 You never thought about yourself dressing like a man.

00:08:37.300 And I wasn't.

00:08:39.000 Yes.

00:08:39.520 Right.

00:08:40.180 And so did you ever have before that?

00:08:42.480 I know you said you were same sex attracted, but did you ever have gender confusion at any point that you can remember?

00:08:47.580 Like, did it ever come to your mind before?

00:08:49.660 Maybe I am supposed to just be a man.

00:08:51.960 Well, gender confusion is is kind of a it's a something I wouldn't say because most people that medically transition understand what gender is.

00:09:00.960 It's a want.

00:09:01.740 It's a desire.

00:09:02.840 It's cosmetic surgery.

00:09:04.860 So to kind of reframe that for you.

00:09:07.060 So had I ever wanted to be a boy as a child, you bet.

00:09:10.980 But, you know, I remember talking about kindergarten again.

00:09:15.260 You know, right around that time when I turned five, my uncle's like, what do you want for for Christmas?

00:09:21.220 I was like, well, OK, I would like to be a boy.

00:09:23.840 And he goes, well, you can't be that.

00:09:27.120 Do you want a briefcase?

00:09:28.480 You always said you don't like carrying a back.

00:09:30.220 Do you want a briefcase?

00:09:30.980 Yeah.

00:09:31.420 So I got to, you know, that kind of thing.

00:09:33.960 So, yes, there was there was a desire.

00:09:35.520 There was always a kind of a realignment with me, like, don't be that aggressive and don't do this.

00:09:41.100 Don't do that.

00:09:42.000 And and so it was just natural for me to go.

00:09:45.700 God, I just wish I was a boy.

00:09:47.220 But reality is reality.

00:09:48.560 Right.

00:09:49.260 So when a therapist said that to you, did you did something kind of click or like what was that feeling initially?

00:09:56.760 Did it feel like, wow, he just told me something that I've always wondered, is that true about me or were you a little offended by it?

00:10:05.200 Embarrassed.

00:10:06.880 Embarrassed. 1.00

00:10:07.440 I felt stupid. 0.99

00:10:10.920 Like everyone knew something that you didn't know about yourself. 0.93

00:10:14.040 And then after that initially wore off and I kind of replaced my life as a male, it all made sense instead of, you know, and I wasn't in a place to to basically compartmentalize and kind of step back in that and say, wait a second.

00:10:32.100 Maybe I'm not wrong.

00:10:34.620 Maybe human beings, males and females, come all different ways.

00:10:38.960 There's not one way for a woman to be a woman and there's not one way for a man to be a man. 1.00

00:10:43.280 So maybe these, you know, gender stereotypes, which are legitimate, I think, because most females kind of fit in this and most males fit in that. 0.91

00:10:53.540 But what about the 30 percent that don't?

00:10:56.060 Maybe we need to broaden our horizons on what men and women are and the differences and not try to stereotype people so much.

00:11:13.280 When I was growing up, I didn't want to wear dresses.

00:11:19.620 I was very embarrassed by the idea of you're a trans man in both. 1.00

00:11:23.620 Yeah.

00:11:24.040 Did you not know that?

00:11:25.020 I did.

00:11:25.580 No.

00:11:25.860 Thanks for the revelation.

00:11:27.280 You're welcome.

00:11:27.640 Um, I only wanted to wear jeans and a T-shirt.

00:11:30.600 I liked like bugs and snakes and things like that.

00:11:33.520 You're definitely a boy.

00:11:34.400 Yeah.

00:11:35.060 And so, but I'm just, I'm thankful.

00:11:37.060 I'm thankful that that was never a question and that no one, like my parents kind of just let me do that and be that.

00:11:45.480 And of course, my mom still wanted me to wear dresses.

00:11:47.340 I was the only girl.

00:11:48.140 I had two older brothers.

00:11:49.160 But I do really worry about the young people today who, when they venture outside of the stereotype at all, like you were just talking about, well, they're immediately, their identity is questioned.

00:12:00.280 Who they are is questioned.

00:12:01.880 And that's like a very scary and difficult place to be, especially for a child.

00:12:06.860 Yep.

00:12:07.260 Yep.

00:12:07.860 Yeah.

00:12:08.380 So these children that are medically transitioned, people in general that are medically transitioning, whether or not people are offended by reality or not, reality is reality, right?

00:12:18.460 So children who believe that they're born in the wrong body have what's called comorbidities.

00:12:23.920 Some people don't like that because of the same sex.

00:12:25.660 So we'll call them commonalities.

00:12:27.400 And those commonalities are not just every once in a while.

00:12:31.220 They're in everybody that medically transitions.

00:12:33.420 And those commonalities are same sex attracted.

00:12:36.320 So we have 42% of these boys would grow up to be, you know, homosexual males or same sex attracted, not giving them, you know, the right to decide what they want to do with that.

00:12:46.460 You know, that's just, you know, we're going to transition you for that.

00:12:50.260 Same sex attracted, of course, autism. 1.00

00:12:54.120 We are usually mentally gifted, mentally ill, or we have some kind of trauma.

00:12:59.700 So all of the things that the evangelicals talked about with homosexuality that seem to, it's not true.

00:13:07.340 I mean, it doesn't matter how much you don't want to be same sex attracted.

00:13:10.260 It's not going to go away with talk therapy.

00:13:11.640 You can decide to do something.

00:13:13.520 But all of those talk tracks and all of that carnage and pain that was created from that, we have a society that thinks that transgenderism and homosexuality are the same thing.

00:13:25.200 And what I like to say is flip that.

00:13:27.820 And what the evangelicals said about homosexuality is absolutely unequivocally 100% true about transgenderism. 1.00

00:13:35.920 And that's the truth.

00:13:36.580 Yeah, you touched on trauma.

00:13:38.840 That's something, you know, I've talked to several detransitioners. 1.00

00:13:42.640 And that is, I don't think I've talked to a single female detransitioner who was not sexually harassed or sexually assaulted. 1.00

00:13:52.840 Absolutely.

00:13:53.260 And you've talked openly about that, about your sexual assault when you were a teen, right?

00:13:58.300 Yep.

00:13:58.780 And so tell us, like, do you think that that affected your thoughts about sexuality and gender and then your eventual transition?

00:14:07.320 Well, sure.

00:14:07.740 And that's a slippery slope, right, Allie?

00:14:09.900 Because then we're correlating, you know, same-sex attraction to trauma.

00:14:14.560 And then all of a sudden, we've got to divide and prosper, right?

00:14:17.680 We've got a society that, you know, you have to feel this way or that way.

00:14:20.500 And the truth is somewhere in the middle on that.

00:14:22.900 So to answer your question about that, I think that that's a huge thing.

00:14:29.040 I think that there's a lot of people that do have trauma that kind of, you know, try to heal themselves with same-sex attraction or being different, that kind of stuff.

00:14:38.200 Not all.

00:14:39.140 And those people that do that need to get therapy and, you know, be who they are, which is straight.

00:14:44.180 Now, there are some people that are same-sex attracted, and I believe that they're born that way.

00:14:49.180 So that's a gray area, right?

00:14:51.720 So as society, we need to stop doing that.

00:14:54.440 We need to stop doing the, you know, divide and prosper, the, you know, they just crossed the left, that kind of stuff.

00:15:01.000 That's a good business model, thinking that way, black and white. 0.99

00:15:05.060 But that black and white thinking has made our society have a huge blind spot where we're butchering, and I mean this literally, butchering an entire generation of children, mind, body, and soul, because of that blind spot.

00:15:21.720 With a process, there's no study that says it's beneficial for these kids.

00:15:26.560 There's seven studies that came out and said they were beneficial, all been retracted or modified with not enough time, not enough participants.

00:15:33.520 But those are the pamphlets that are being handed to these parents, that medical transition is a miracle cure.

00:15:40.060 When there's only one long-term study that was ever done in Sweden from 1973 to 2003, and they found that you're more suicidal after, but seven to ten years, that's a long time.

00:15:54.360 Because medical process is a long journey, right?

00:15:57.780 Well, try to find that online.

00:15:59.340 Try to find any of anything online.

00:16:02.260 And all you're going to find is unicorn farts and glitter bombs from the LGBTQ, and there's a reason for that. 1.00

00:16:09.620 So to answer your question about trauma and people that correlate that, absolutely.

00:16:15.000 Well, trauma and transition specifically.

00:16:18.060 Maybe I made a mistake saying sexuality because I really just mean it seems like a lot of these girls that I've talked to, they will even say I was running away from my body.

00:16:28.620 And I didn't like being objectified, and I thought that if I didn't have breasts anymore, then maybe I would be less vulnerable.

00:16:35.180 Absolutely.

00:16:35.540 Did that play into your thinking at all?

00:16:37.980 No, but I understand how it happens with girls. 0.99

00:16:42.320 Now, do I think trauma might have had something to do with it?

00:16:45.300 Probably.

00:16:46.000 Am I aware of it?

00:16:47.040 No.

00:16:47.580 These girls, it's maybe fresh on their mind. 0.95

00:16:50.240 So I don't know for sure.

00:16:52.560 Yeah.

00:16:52.800 But these children that you talk about, these detransitioners, it's a really, really, really red button for me. 1.00

00:17:02.280 You know, when I was in what is a woman, I hadn't been on testosterone for 17 months.

00:17:07.000 Yeah.

00:17:07.400 Didn't take testosterone for over two years.

00:17:09.500 That is detrans, what you saw there. 1.00

00:17:11.520 And so we're taking these girls at 11 who have, let's say, autism.

00:17:18.120 So they don't fit in.

00:17:20.240 They're socially awkward.

00:17:22.100 They don't know how to interchange with people.

00:17:23.880 And then girls, we expect them to have this kind of like flirtatious, you know, thing. 0.94

00:17:27.620 They don't know how to do that.

00:17:28.740 They don't fit in at all.

00:17:30.160 And then we have medical professionals and people telling them that they're born in the wrong body.

00:17:34.420 They get to celebrate that.

00:17:35.640 And then they get to be 18 or 19 years old and realize, oh, my God, I've got, you know, I've got bone issues.

00:17:40.900 I've got heart issues.

00:17:41.700 I can't have kids.

00:17:42.760 I'm actually straight.

00:17:44.180 But now I look like a man. 0.90

00:17:45.420 So I'm going to have to be in a gay relationship for the rest of my life. 1.00

00:17:48.160 And now I'm going to kill myself. 0.98

00:17:49.940 And then they get on Twitter and they have evangelicals and conservatives and, you know, feminists lifting them up.

00:17:56.080 You know, if you detrans, you're going to feel better. 1.00

00:17:58.280 And then they go on the circuit and they get lifted and then they get dropped because they go to the grocery store and get served for the rest of their life.

00:18:05.640 So the humanity of what's happening to these kids all the way around, it's not the right.

00:18:10.480 It's not the left.

00:18:11.520 It's human beings.

00:18:12.500 It's society that's letting these girls down. 1.00

00:18:14.680 We're letting the detransitioners down, too. 1.00

00:18:18.540 And tell me about let's go back to your story.

00:18:21.460 And I know you shared about this on what is a woman.

00:18:23.660 But talk about your medical transition.

00:18:26.280 So after that, you said for a couple of weeks there after the therapist, you, you know, felt like, oh, my gosh, has everyone known this thing about me that I didn't know?

00:18:35.000 You said that you were embarrassed.

00:18:36.920 And so was it a pretty quick line from there that you said, OK, I am going to try to present as a man?

00:18:44.140 This is so funny because people don't don't believe me, but it's absolutely the truth.

00:18:50.020 It was, wow, I wonder if I was born in the wrong body.

00:18:52.740 Next week, therapist.

00:18:54.460 Next week, hormones. 1.00

00:18:56.400 Wow.

00:18:57.100 Next week, appointment for the plastic surgeon for the top surgery.

00:19:00.160 Four weeks later, I had my my first surgery.

00:19:02.440 Wow.

00:19:03.080 Really?

00:19:03.480 Where they cut my bladder.

00:19:06.080 Yeah, it's just it's been a nightmare.

00:19:07.860 They nicked your bladder like, OK. 0.97

00:19:09.460 Yeah.

00:19:10.040 So we're going to do a hysterectomy in a top surgery and they nicked my bladder on top of they had me on a medication called Contrave, which is an opioid inhibitor, which means that you could give me tons of pain medication.

00:19:25.380 I won't feel it.

00:19:26.380 It's like water.

00:19:27.080 So I had my first three surgeries, basically like medieval times, waking up with a Tylenol.

00:19:33.680 Yeah, it was it post post-traumatic stress.

00:19:37.040 I always thought it was not real.

00:19:39.280 It's real.

00:19:40.180 Yeah.

00:19:40.640 Wow.

00:19:41.080 So this happened all within a month.

00:19:44.000 Like, what is your partner thinking?

00:19:45.660 What are your different family members, your siblings?

00:19:47.940 What are they thinking?

00:19:48.920 You know, I can't speak for my sister or my family, but I think a lot of them saw me struggle so much with with being a lesbian.

00:19:57.840 I didn't want to be.

00:19:59.620 And we have this kind of celebrating society right now within the LGBTQ, which is wrong. 1.00

00:20:04.100 There's nothing to celebrate with being homosexual. 1.00

00:20:06.760 It's hard. 0.77

00:20:07.700 It's hard to do.

00:20:08.680 And we need to accept people better with that.

00:20:11.220 But what we don't need to do is promote it or it's not a recruiting agency.

00:20:16.060 Right.

00:20:16.400 So my family had seen me suffer with that and they wanted to believe just like I did.

00:20:23.960 And they also just wanted to support me.

00:20:26.820 So I got some pushback from, you know, from my sister a little bit.

00:20:30.680 But, you know, after she she knew I wasn't going to give in, she was like, all right, let's rock it, little bro.

00:20:35.520 So.

00:20:36.400 Yeah.

00:20:36.760 OK.

00:20:37.100 Yeah.

00:20:37.600 And then tell me, like, what your life has been like since then.

00:20:41.040 You said that was how many years ago that you started the medical transition?

00:20:44.240 Forty two.

00:20:45.240 So eight years.

00:20:46.860 OK.

00:20:47.320 So in eight years, I've had seven surgeries.

00:20:50.820 I've had a pulmonary embolism, a stress induced heart attack.

00:20:54.600 I have had a reoccurring infection that I mean, to the to the end, I had an IV sick tube or pick tube or whatever in my heart because I had to work finding out that, hey, you know what?

00:21:10.040 Medical transition is experimental.

00:21:11.560 Nobody in my state that I trust can do this than the person that hurt me.

00:21:16.020 So I have to get insurance to fix this.

00:21:19.140 So I would go to work for five days and then go in the hospital in the ER and then I would check out, you know, and then after I would check out, the doctor finally said to me, you know, we're just going to have to put this in your arm because you're going to check out tomorrow.

00:21:31.060 And I said, yeah, I got to go to work.

00:21:33.580 So, you know, so much stuff.

00:21:35.500 I have a I have a handicapped arm for life.

00:21:37.980 I had a ligament protruding through it.

00:21:39.780 I've had sepsis.

00:21:40.940 I've lost my house, my car, my home to pay for my wife.

00:21:45.200 Yeah, everything.

00:21:45.820 I've lost absolutely everything.

00:21:47.400 And here I am on this circuit when I don't think people realize is, you know, I wasn't paid for what is a woman.

00:21:52.420 I'm not paid a dime.

00:21:53.480 I'm doing this because at the end of this, I realized that I was dying and I woke up on the bathroom floor in my own urine and blood and I realized I was dying and I celebrated that.

00:22:06.800 You know, I was I was accepting that until I thought of my kids.

00:22:10.300 And so nobody knew what was wrong with me.

00:22:13.980 And I made a promise with God at that moment that if I could figure out what was wrong with me, if they could fix me, if I could be here for my children, I would do what I'm doing.

00:22:24.620 And so it's the reason why people listen to me is because I'm sincere.

00:22:28.320 I have no other agenda.

00:22:29.880 I don't sign on with politicians to make $10,000 speeches here or there.

00:22:34.000 I do this in a basement, in a moldy basement.

00:22:37.520 Seriously, I've got $200 to my name.

00:22:39.360 You know, I'm traveling back and forth and and, you know, paying for taxis.

00:22:43.540 I'm doing that for my kids.

00:22:44.960 So all people see is a mom. 0.93

00:22:59.400 Tell us a little bit more, because so many people just they don't know.

00:23:03.660 They don't know what all of this entails.

00:23:05.660 So you said within weeks you had the hormones and you had the surgery when you was there any moment in there that you said, like, maybe after you started hormones that you said, whoa, whoa, whoa.

00:23:19.280 Hang on a second.

00:23:20.560 Yeah.

00:23:21.540 What am I doing?

00:23:22.420 Absolutely.

00:23:25.780 The affirmation model is very, very dangerous. 0.54

00:23:30.600 Yeah.

00:23:30.740 I remember the first surgery I had where they cut my bladder.

00:23:34.080 I remember just thinking, you know, I just.

00:23:37.460 That was the first.

00:23:38.280 That was before top surgery.

00:23:39.640 Yeah.

00:23:39.980 That was.

00:23:41.020 Yeah.

00:23:41.240 That was my first surgery.

00:23:42.380 I remember looking at my wife just saying, I just wish she would just say it's OK.

00:23:46.660 I love you just the way you are and we'll get through this.

00:23:49.520 And I remember them calling me sir, like the whole idea of sir looks so female.

00:23:54.900 And it was like I remember they gave me the medication.

00:23:56.760 I was thinking to myself, that's wrong.

00:23:58.560 That's wrong.

00:24:00.200 So, yeah, there was a whole bunch of that.

00:24:02.360 Right.

00:24:02.580 But you can't challenge that if society in general just kind of acquiesced to everything

00:24:08.780 because nobody wants to hurt anybody's feelings because the LGBTQ plus has turned into a recruiting

00:24:15.820 perverted agency.

00:24:18.460 I mean, and let's talk about.

00:24:19.740 Can we talk about that for a minute of the why?

00:24:23.680 You know, Ali, what I didn't realize is that activism is a business.

00:24:30.180 I had no clue.

00:24:31.260 Seriously, I had no clue.

00:24:33.880 I had no clue that, you know, if you have 20,000 followers on Twitter and if you keep screaming the way I do,

00:24:40.460 you'll get kicked off and then you won't get monetized and make money.

00:24:42.980 So I didn't modify my words or anything or I didn't do anything that you were supposed to do to get to be where I'm at.

00:24:50.880 I did what was right because it was the right thing to do.

00:24:56.640 But I've learned that activism is a business.

00:24:59.100 Right.

00:24:59.400 So in 2015, what happened within the gay and lesbian community?

00:25:03.500 We got all of those rights that every human being deserves, which I call righteous rights.

00:25:11.040 Not doesn't matter how somebody feels about homosexuality.

00:25:14.080 Totally OK with me on that.

00:25:15.980 But every human being deserves to love another adult and be respected.

00:25:22.200 You've been with a partner for 30 years.

00:25:23.960 They're dying in the hospital.

00:25:25.220 Nobody should be able to kick you out.

00:25:26.600 You should be able to work where you want to work without being fired because of your sexuality.

00:25:32.640 And you should live where you want to live without being, you know, work, live, love.

00:25:38.480 Right.

00:25:38.760 And we won those rights in 2015.

00:25:42.060 And we won those rights by helping society understand that we weren't a recruiting agency.

00:25:48.360 Those were all the three things that we wanted.

00:25:51.880 And so in 2015, we won those worldwide.

00:25:55.900 Right.

00:25:56.860 What happens to activists?

00:25:58.860 What happens to activism?

00:26:00.120 Well, organizations like the LGBTQ or Stonewall in 2015 in the UK filed bankruptcy in 2015 because there's nothing else to fight for.

00:26:10.180 There was no more donations coming in.

00:26:12.200 In 2016, they had a 32% year-over-year growth.

00:26:16.640 Now, you're in this business.

00:26:18.080 That's significant for any type of organization that does donations, that gets government funding.

00:26:24.860 And the only thing that they did was sign on with mermaids.

00:26:29.580 Now, mermaids is an organization that is the sole focus of medicalizing children.

00:26:34.920 So the new activist business model of the LGBTQ was to push children to medically transition. 0.96

00:26:42.500 And in the process, all the decent gays and lesbians, regardless of how you feel, went home to raise your kids. 1.00

00:26:48.340 And so what kind of started to infiltrate into the LGBTQ? 0.95

00:26:52.360 Perverts, money mongers, you know, medically transitioning children. 1.00

00:26:56.500 So we have this huge organization. 0.96

00:26:58.200 We have a huge blind spot in our society where people think that the LGBTQ is a good organization.

00:27:05.900 All, you know, artists and singers and actors, they all want to get on that.

00:27:09.680 Everybody wants to be on that train.

00:27:12.340 And they are the worst organization in the world right now.

00:27:17.120 And everybody is afraid to say it. 0.75

00:27:20.500 And people won't understand that until people like me, double quoted on the rainbow, lesbian, trans man.

00:27:27.380 I'm over 50, so maybe three times.

00:27:29.800 I am the rainbow.

00:27:32.180 Until we stand up and start to say what is going on.

00:27:35.780 The truth is not a lot of us know what's going on that are decent.

00:27:40.240 The majority of gays and lesbians are decent.

00:27:42.400 But I want these people to stand up.

00:27:45.420 They need to know what's going on.

00:27:48.100 So do you think that you felt, even though obviously you weren't a child, you were an adult, but you said you started this process and you definitely second guessed.

00:27:56.740 But did you kind of feel pressured by how ubiquitous this message was from LGBTQ activists that, yes, you can be born in the wrong body.

00:28:08.180 Yes, if you present masculine at all, then you must really be the opposite sex or the opposite gender or whatever. 0.77

00:28:13.060 Or do you think that's part of why you just kept going?

00:28:15.640 And only males lock doors at night, too.

00:28:18.620 So just kind of the ridiculousness of it, right?

00:28:21.200 Right.

00:28:21.780 Well, Allie, everybody wants to fit in. 0.57

00:28:25.200 Everybody does.

00:28:26.880 And when you really, really, really, really don't, everybody thinks that they don't.

00:28:30.780 But when you really, really, really don't and somebody tells you that you can, it's too powerful to take away from a 42-year-old business sales executive.

00:28:42.320 These children have no chance, none.

00:28:48.240 And we're getting near the 7 to 10-year mark.

00:28:51.400 Well, guess what's happening?

00:28:52.760 All these detransitioners that everybody's lifting and pointing, by the way, when they're lifted by conservatives, when they're lifted by evangelicals, when they're lifted by feminists, all not feminists, when they're lifted by those people and standing next to them as an evangelical and standing next to them as a detransitioner. 0.92

00:29:09.920 The people that need to hear that message, all they hear is, I used to be gay.

00:29:15.720 God cured me.

00:29:17.140 So you're only speaking to the people who already agree with you.

00:29:20.880 And what are you doing when you're lifting with the I'm right, you're wrong?

00:29:25.000 Donations, donations, donations.

00:29:26.860 So we have all this influx of all this donations.

00:29:29.160 Yet me, my son just signed up for a volleyball competitive class.

00:29:34.500 I'm going to have to tell him no because I'm saving other people's kids because I refuse to give in because I'm a mother.

00:29:42.820 You mentioned some of the complications that you had from the procedures.

00:29:50.300 Obviously, the first one, hysterectomy, they nicked your bladder, which I'm sure was extremely painful.

00:29:55.580 Then you had top surgery.

00:29:57.180 Then you had a phalloplasty.

00:29:59.360 Well, I had two bottom surgeries, actually.

00:30:01.940 Okay.

00:30:02.360 So can you tell us a little bit about that?

00:30:04.260 Which one?

00:30:05.460 Any and all.

00:30:07.880 All surgeries?

00:30:09.720 Well, not – I think you said that you've had 15 surgeries over the past several years, but the –

00:30:14.680 Seven.

00:30:15.100 Seven.

00:30:15.720 Okay.

00:30:16.140 Seven.

00:30:16.600 Seven.

00:30:16.680 Okay.

00:30:17.100 Sorry.

00:30:18.160 Tell us about – like – tell us about – okay.

00:30:21.100 So after the hysterectomy, you healed eventually and then you had top surgery after that?

00:30:26.420 About six weeks later, yes.

00:30:27.940 Six weeks.

00:30:28.540 Wow.

00:30:28.940 That's not much recovery time.

00:30:30.840 Yeah.

00:30:31.040 And a full hysterectomy.

00:30:32.000 Now I've had twins and I had a partial hysterectomy.

00:30:34.100 So I had a full hysterectomy.

00:30:35.960 Okay.

00:30:36.440 And top surgery.

00:30:37.100 But how did you feel after the top surgery?

00:30:40.940 Well, you know, I had always had a little bit of – I wanted it to be real.

00:30:46.520 Do you understand that?

00:30:47.220 Do you get that I wanted to be born in the wrong body?

00:30:49.860 I wanted it because it all made sense.

00:30:52.560 It fixed everything.

00:30:54.080 So I didn't want to get rid of that.

00:30:55.620 But I had doubt.

00:31:00.100 But I was too busy, you know, convincing everybody I was born in the wrong body, you know.

00:31:04.960 And I had doctors doing the same things because at that point, insurances weren't paying for it.

00:31:09.780 And we could write a check for it, right?

00:31:11.580 So I got all this information.

00:31:14.700 I mean, the gynecologist that did my hysterectomy.

00:31:17.540 On my first appointment, I walked in and he goes, have you ever been tested for intersex?

00:31:23.400 Because you have a really strong jawline.

00:31:26.660 And I was like, no.

00:31:28.020 Oh, and that, you know, instant affirmation.

00:31:32.400 For me, there are some people – we don't know.

00:31:34.760 It's all experimental, by the way.

00:31:36.100 Medical transitions, all experimental in cross-sex hormones.

00:31:39.100 For me, it took me a couple of weeks, six weeks, eight weeks before things – I started to look male. 0.93

00:31:47.440 I mean, there's people that are on testosterone for years that still look like butch lesbians. 1.00

00:31:51.700 For me, it was like, you know, my body just soaked it up. 0.97

00:31:54.660 So there's another affirmation, right?

00:31:56.840 And then, you know, after the first surgery, what am I going to do then?

00:32:03.020 Right.

00:32:03.560 I've lost –

00:32:04.280 It's like there's no going back.

00:32:05.360 Where do I go from here?

00:32:06.520 Yeah.

00:32:07.100 So –

00:32:07.960 And then you decided to have the surgery that a lot of people who identify, who call themselves trans men, don't end up having because of the complications of it.

00:32:16.580 And that is the phalloplasty.

00:32:18.180 Yeah.

00:32:18.780 And you already mentioned, I think, some complications that you've had from that.

00:32:21.880 Is that the arm injury that you have?

00:32:24.340 Okay.

00:32:24.600 Can you tell us about that?

00:32:25.760 Well, the phalloplasty is experimental.

00:32:32.220 And so we have – and this is the honest to God truth.

00:32:36.620 I know people don't want to know the truth.

00:32:38.280 But here's the truth.

00:32:39.840 We've got all the surgeons that aren't really good.

00:32:42.220 All you have to have is a surgeon plaque.

00:32:43.860 And you can do, you know, you can do transgender top surgery, bottom surgery, every surgery.

00:32:48.980 The phalloplasty is one of the most difficult surgeries that you can have.

00:32:54.260 The level of difficulty is up there.

00:32:57.820 I know this now after research is up there with like brain surgery.

00:33:00.800 So you want the best surgeons in the world conducting these surgeries.

00:33:06.460 That's not what you're getting.

00:33:09.020 What you're getting are, you know, people that did appendix removals, making $250,000 a year.

00:33:16.220 Like that can be millionaires.

00:33:19.000 This is a very, very, very difficult surgery.

00:33:22.560 It is enormously taxing emotionally, physically, spiritually, a 67% complication rate.

00:33:32.920 And we're not talking about complications like, you know, maybe an infection here or there.

00:33:37.540 We're talking loss of genitals.

00:33:39.180 We're talking about colostomy bags.

00:33:40.880 We're talking about failure after failure after failure.

00:33:52.560 So you've had a lot of complications since then.

00:33:58.640 Oh, do you want to talk about complications?

00:34:00.040 Okay.

00:34:00.240 Yeah.

00:34:00.940 If you're comfortable.

00:34:02.420 I get a reoccurring infection.

00:34:05.920 I've started something that's kind of prolonging it.

00:34:08.720 And I'm on infection or I'm on antibiotics probably a couple times a year, four or five, probably every three months.

00:34:16.520 It's kind of expanding out with some things that I'm doing.

00:34:19.400 But someday this will kill me.

00:34:21.540 I will get an infection.

00:34:23.300 My body will become numb to the antibiotics and I'll die from it.

00:34:27.920 So on top of basically having to, you know, raise kids and work and make a living and all that kind of stuff, I'm sick a lot of the time.

00:34:40.500 Yeah.

00:34:41.220 Yeah.

00:34:41.640 And I'm sure that's really hard.

00:34:42.840 Do you know, I mean, have the doctors ever told you this is going to cut X number of years off your life?

00:34:48.880 Or you just kind of know through deductive reasoning that one day there will be an infection that will kill you?

00:34:54.840 Yeah.

00:34:55.200 So I did a speech in Tennessee.

00:34:59.020 I was working from home because I had PTSD.

00:35:03.440 I hadn't left my house for three years when I did that interview with what is a woman in New York of all places. 0.95

00:35:09.700 Yeah, yeah.

00:35:10.020 I left your house for three years.

00:35:10.820 Let's go to New York.

00:35:11.280 So I forgot my, I forgot where I was there.

00:35:16.960 That just.

00:35:17.880 That's okay.

00:35:18.480 We were just, you were talking about on what is a woman.

00:35:23.240 You, I remember you saying a similar thing.

00:35:25.440 You were saying, you know, I'm going to die from this infection.

00:35:28.060 And I think you said maybe something along the lines of you may have cut like 15 years off your life or something like that.

00:35:34.580 Well, medical transition in general, cross-sex hormones cut people's life, not just mine. 0.86

00:35:39.480 They cut 10 to 15 years off of everybody's life, who starts them. 0.96

00:35:45.320 And the earlier you get on them, the more they cut off.

00:35:49.200 Yeah.

00:35:49.700 From that perspective.

00:35:50.940 So the complications of medical transition, that's the first thing is, is, you know, cutting your life short.

00:35:56.780 Mine is, you know, has to do with, with the phalloplasty and the infections and, you know, the kind of the emotional and stress of, of just knowing that it's always there.

00:36:07.840 Yeah.

00:36:08.380 And, you know, failed and, you know, what are you going to do?

00:36:12.840 You have over the past few years, I've seen some of the testimonies that you've given, the speeches that you've given your advocacy.

00:36:20.160 I've seen you say that you don't identify as a detransitioner.

00:36:25.440 You do call yourself a trans man.

00:36:27.660 For a reason.

00:36:28.140 But also a lesbian.

00:36:29.520 And you call yourself a mother.

00:36:31.500 So talk to me about that because maybe to some people that might be confusing.

00:36:35.780 Oh, yeah, right.

00:36:36.460 I get that.

00:36:37.260 So I'm a biological woman.

00:36:39.300 I'm attracted to females. 1.00

00:36:41.300 Woman, lesbian.

00:36:43.400 I medically transitioned and I call myself a transgender man.

00:36:47.140 And to help people understand that medical transition, it's, it's a one-way road.

00:36:52.900 You change the core of who you are.

00:36:55.480 I will never be not a trans man. 0.70

00:36:59.080 Ever.

00:36:59.520 And the whole, the whole detrans, what we're doing is we're setting these girls and boys up to think that, you know, medical transition is, you know, you can just go back. 1.00

00:37:08.960 And you can't.

00:37:10.100 See, I get those phone calls from the detransitioners when media, not you in general, when you guys are done with them. 0.90

00:37:15.700 I get the calls with the guns in their mouth.

00:37:18.140 Like, what am I going to do?

00:37:19.740 I look like a 17-year-old boy for the rest of my life.

00:37:22.160 I'm served constantly.

00:37:23.460 I've said that I might want to, you know, medically transition back just to live and life without having to go in the grocery store every, you know, 20 seconds.

00:37:32.040 Like, hey, where are the cherries?

00:37:33.360 Well, it's over there, sir.

00:37:34.220 No, it's, it's, it's ma'am.

00:37:35.500 I medically, I mean, who wants to live like that?

00:37:37.540 Where's the grace and dignity and love for these children without the activism model?

00:37:45.200 Where is that love?

00:37:46.360 Because, you know, as far as I see, conservatives on this side, liberals on this side, both of y'all are wrong.

00:37:56.280 Nobody is in the middle saying, what about these children?

00:38:00.520 Nobody wants to lose their job or talk about this, you know, in, in, in their office.

00:38:04.720 Nobody wants to take that investment unless it happens to their kid.

00:38:08.560 So my question is, where's the love from society?

00:38:12.500 Does everybody need to wake up in their own urine and blood and know that they're dying and what that would do to their kids for people to have some kind of heart for these children?

00:38:21.460 Why do you think that people, either on the left or the right, I'm not really defending either side.

00:38:26.520 Obviously, I'm a conservative.

00:38:27.880 But why do you feel that people don't really care about that suffering?

00:38:32.320 Do you think that, like, conservatives just...

00:38:35.300 I think that people, I think that people care.

00:38:36.780 I think society cares.

00:38:38.300 Society doesn't know the truth.

00:38:39.500 Who I don't think, or I think they're pretty smart to get where they're at, you know, if you're a podcaster or social media or some kind of journalist, to not know.

00:38:51.000 I think what happens is that people get the activism bug.

00:38:53.920 People get the famous bug.

00:38:55.400 People get the, I want to make sure I look good bug.

00:38:58.600 Everybody doesn't want to lose that, that revenue that comes in.

00:39:01.760 All those politicians.

00:39:02.860 And nobody wants to have those hard questions.

00:39:04.580 You know, it's the reason why I do podcasts with, like, extremely religious evangelicals.

00:39:10.100 And, you know, that tell me their opinion on homosexuality.

00:39:12.440 And I tell them their opinion, my opinion.

00:39:14.720 And I just go, all right, let's adult better.

00:39:18.280 We agree to disagree on that.

00:39:20.080 I've told you mine.

00:39:20.840 You've told you.

00:39:21.480 Now, let's act like adults.

00:39:23.660 And let's talk about the medicalization of children.

00:39:25.620 Because the truth, Allie, is that this is not going to go away.

00:39:30.720 There's too much money into it.

00:39:33.200 This is going to go away.

00:39:35.220 When conservatives, liberals, evangelicals, gays, lesbians, white, black, when people come together and we grab hands and we circle around and we look up to the media and we say,

00:39:51.980 Listen, we are all here.

00:39:54.780 So you can't call us bigots.

00:39:57.120 You can't call us bigots.

00:39:58.620 Now, let's talk about the facts.

00:40:00.740 And the facts tell us that no child should medically transition.

00:40:05.900 It's wrong on an epic scale.

00:40:08.520 You have that 10-minute conversation on a neutral floor.

00:40:12.020 Nobody walks away going, yep, it's still for medically transitioning kids. 1.00

00:40:15.920 I don't care who you are, what you believe in.

00:40:19.020 Yeah.

00:40:19.200 And do you regret transitioning as an adult?

00:40:24.500 Yeah, absolutely.

00:40:26.520 If I could go back, I would go back in a second.

00:40:28.740 Then you wouldn't do it.

00:40:29.800 Oh, God, no.

00:40:30.740 No.

00:40:31.280 But you do believe it should be legal for adults?

00:40:33.980 To medically transition?

00:40:34.960 Mm-hmm.

00:40:35.220 The same way it's legal for a woman to get breast augmentation, for Botox, for a man to get hair plugs.

00:40:45.480 It's cosmetic surgery.

00:40:46.520 And so the same precautions that go – because here's another gray area, right?

00:40:53.900 Not being black and white.

00:40:55.360 I offend people this way.

00:40:56.700 There are some people that do medically transition and find a little comfort in it, walk a little bit lighter in life.

00:41:01.940 Not very many.

00:41:05.160 And that's the truth.

00:41:06.200 Not very many.

00:41:07.140 But those who it does benefit need to have that available to them.

00:41:11.980 They need to know what it does, what it doesn't do.

00:41:14.520 And anybody that walks into a plastic surgery office and tells the surgeon that, hey, I was born in the wrong body.

00:41:22.980 And if you don't medically transition me or give me hormones, I'm going to kill myself.

00:41:28.060 What they need to be doing is, Sarah, call the paddy wagon.

00:41:34.340 That person needs help.

00:41:36.200 They're a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic basket.

00:41:39.100 Me too.

00:41:40.220 I got help.

00:41:41.580 What's so wrong with saying that?

00:41:43.300 Why are we in a place where everybody just wants to portray that everybody's great?

00:41:47.680 I'm right and you're wrong and I'm, you know, super successful, got a lot of money and I'm, you know, sane as, sane as, who's sane?

00:41:55.820 I haven't met one.

00:41:57.120 Have you? 0.90

00:41:57.860 We're all a little nutty, right?

00:41:59.820 So, so we need to be in a place in society where we have those hard conversations.

00:42:05.780 Where we need to say, that sounds fruitier than fruity tootie.

00:42:13.000 No.

00:42:14.500 You are born, you were not born in the wrong body.

00:42:17.180 You're a man that likes to wear makeup, wears dresses, you do you.

00:42:23.140 Go for it.

00:42:24.120 And as a society, we need to go, that's a man that likes to wear his dresses and makeup.

00:42:28.740 He's a little different, but we're going to give him all the dignity and respect that he deserves.

00:42:33.740 But he's not going to go in my, in my kid's locker room.

00:42:36.880 He's not going to play in women's sports.

00:42:39.560 And he's not going to just basically take over society because he likes that.

00:42:45.980 That you do you.

00:42:47.880 You know what?

00:42:48.200 You do you.

00:42:49.100 You do that.

00:42:49.980 And as a society, we need to go, you know what?

00:42:53.080 There, there are people that are all different.

00:42:56.660 All different.

00:42:57.860 And all people deserve dignity and respect.

00:43:00.300 But when you mess with kids, you cross the line.

00:43:03.220 How do you feel?

00:43:16.160 I've seen you talk about this before.

00:43:18.280 But how people address you.

00:43:21.020 Because one perspective is, of course, well, you know, someone might say, well, I'm just

00:43:26.840 going to call Scott a man, he, him, because that's how Scott looks.

00:43:32.160 And then there's the other view that I'm more aligned with that if I just saw you and

00:43:36.440 I didn't know, I would do the same thing.

00:43:38.400 But because I know and because I think that pronouns are not just a social designation,

00:43:45.860 but something that correlates to a biological reality.

00:43:49.260 That was a really brilliant sentence, by the way.

00:43:51.820 Well, thank you.

00:43:52.500 We pulled that all together.

00:43:53.740 That was good.

00:43:54.140 I appreciate that.

00:43:54.960 So I, I wouldn't call you he, him, but I've, I've heard you say that that's not really

00:43:59.900 something that you care about.

00:44:01.460 I don't.

00:44:01.840 There's so many other things in life to deal with.

00:44:04.540 Here's, here's the truth about pronouns in general, um, that work's already done.

00:44:08.980 You don't need to redo that.

00:44:10.960 You know, generations and generations of, of, you know, evolution of, of, you know, hundreds

00:44:16.480 of years have told us as soon as we see somebody or hear somebody's voice, we say male or female.

00:44:23.560 It's already done.

00:44:25.360 Asking somebody to go against what they see in here is narcissistic. 0.94

00:44:30.700 It's sociopathic.

00:44:31.700 Like every time you have a conversation with somebody, it's like reading, uh, you know,

00:44:35.620 it's like writing a novel with your left hand.

00:44:37.180 When you're, when you're right-handed, you have to catch yourself all the time.

00:44:40.040 He, she, she, she, she, she.

00:44:41.860 So, so for me, I'm totally okay with people calling me female pronouns because I am, but

00:44:48.140 I do know that they're making a point because nobody in a grocery store is going to come

00:44:51.540 up and go, hello, ma'am.

00:44:53.020 How are you?

00:44:53.760 Right.

00:44:54.100 Can I carry your bags?

00:44:55.260 Right.

00:44:55.780 Um, you know, so for me, you do what you need to do to make whatever point that you need to

00:45:01.180 make, but I made the choice to medically transition.

00:45:03.980 It's a choice, cosmetic surgery.

00:45:06.140 So I'm not going to tell you what to call me.

00:45:08.020 You call me what makes you feel comfortable, what helps you, what sits in your soul.

00:45:13.520 And that's called adulting better.

00:45:16.640 Right.

00:45:16.760 Why do you think there is so much conflict in uproar about pronouns?

00:45:22.100 And I'm talking like men, actual men who make very little effort to even look female 0.65

00:45:28.980 will get completely outraged.

00:45:30.460 You know that answer though. 0.96

00:45:31.620 Don't you, you're not, you're not being, you're not dumb. 0.85

00:45:34.200 I want to hear what you think. 0.96

00:45:35.140 You want to hear from me.

00:45:36.040 Okay.

00:45:36.360 All right.

00:45:36.680 Um, so here's another truth.

00:45:38.480 Uh, if you, if you investigate into this, uh, pretty far, you'll find that most of, of

00:45:44.920 the people that are, are pronoun warriors are going to be trans women. 0.86

00:45:48.960 And there is a sexual fetish called on a guy. 0.73

00:45:52.660 I can, I can, I can, I know you knew it. 0.87

00:45:55.480 Can't throw me under the bus for that.

00:45:57.040 Yes. 0.99

00:45:57.520 Uh, so that is a sexual fetish. 0.97

00:45:59.260 And that fetish, um, basically is men who are turned on by the idea of being a woman, 0.97

00:46:07.440 by being a sexual object, um, by being objectified. 0.95

00:46:11.520 It's a fetish.

00:46:13.020 So when you see a man with a six inch beard, red lipstick, you know, offended by calling 0.98

00:46:20.340 them a man, what you're doing is, is you are, um, you're ruining his erection. 0.95

00:46:29.260 So that's why he's angry. 0.99

00:46:31.360 That's why he's angry.

00:46:32.340 So if we go back here, we're medically transitioning children, um, for money and we're medically

00:46:39.780 transitioning children so that, uh, men don't lose their erections. 0.85

00:46:43.860 And that's the truth.

00:46:45.580 That is the absolute truth.

00:46:47.220 Yeah.

00:46:47.740 There is a large sexualization aspect of it that I think a lot of people don't realize,

00:46:52.120 especially when it comes to these men.

00:46:54.040 And you said it so perfectly that it's not just being turned on by looking like women. 0.83

00:46:58.580 It's the sexual object piece.

00:47:00.360 It's the submissiveness piece that they wrongly associate with being female that, I mean, pornography

00:47:06.000 plays a large part in it, but I mean, gosh, look at these organizations, WPATH, Mermaids.

00:47:12.420 There always seems to be like the strange commonality of the sexualization of children within this,

00:47:17.940 which is part of why I think this is so important.

00:47:19.920 There's so many different aspects of this.

00:47:21.820 It seems the money, the complications of the medical transition, and then there's the

00:47:26.360 sexualization aspect, especially when it comes to children.

00:47:29.920 And there's so many tentacles of it.

00:47:32.020 It's hard to even know what to attack.

00:47:34.320 It is.

00:47:34.840 Um, and you can't have a conversation about it, right?

00:47:37.620 So to, to give you an example, um, on Twitter, I have a, I have a speech that I gave.

00:47:43.280 It's got 22 million views on social media.

00:47:46.000 Now, 22 million views on social media.

00:47:48.600 What does a woman came out? 1.00

00:47:49.740 It has just under 200 million views when they, when they streamed it, right?

00:47:53.080 Yeah.

00:47:53.260 So me, little old me has 22 million views of that speech.

00:47:58.220 That speech was a speech that I gave.

00:48:00.940 Uh, it was an evangelical, uh, representative that brought a bill the second year in a row.

00:48:06.280 He got ran through the mud as, as being a hateful person, actually very nice person.

00:48:11.240 If somebody asked him about his opinion on homosexuality, I think they would be surprised

00:48:14.740 about it, but they attacked him so much.

00:48:17.760 Um, and he, he ran the first bill the wrong way.

00:48:20.960 And I told him that and I said, when you run it the second way,

00:48:23.660 you know, call me when I touch these bills, they get passed.

00:48:26.440 So he called me, he said, we're going to do a press conference.

00:48:28.940 Can you come?

00:48:30.020 And they started just attacking him a room full of reporters.

00:48:33.700 I pushed him aside and took over.

00:48:35.240 It was nine minutes.

00:48:36.640 The most powerful speech you will hear on the medicalization of children.

00:48:40.360 Do you know how many mainstream medias have said anything about it?

00:48:44.160 I can guess.

00:48:45.800 One.

00:48:46.580 And it was the newscaster that was in the room and it was making fun of me on Twitter.

00:48:51.720 Hmm.

00:48:52.560 Wow.

00:48:53.260 Do you think they know what they're doing?

00:48:56.720 No.

00:48:57.460 You don't.

00:48:58.100 I don't.

00:48:58.360 You think they think they're virtuous.

00:49:00.000 I do.

00:49:01.040 I think that's the problem.

00:49:02.600 Hmm.

00:49:03.600 I think that's the problem.

00:49:05.080 Do you see people waking up?

00:49:06.820 People are going to wake up.

00:49:10.940 The carnage of the medicalization of children is going to spill so much carnage.

00:49:16.880 I used to get, you know, suicidal calls maybe once every month when I first started this.

00:49:20.940 I'm getting them weekly.

00:49:22.020 Really?

00:49:22.380 I'm finding mental health, you know, hospitals for these people weekly.

00:49:26.520 The suicide epidemic is coming.

00:49:29.040 When that carnage spills over enough that mainstream media has to cover it, it's going to stop like that.

00:49:35.140 And here's what's going to happen, Allie.

00:49:36.280 People are going to hate the LGBTQ.

00:49:40.880 The love that we have right now is going to go away.

00:49:44.760 You want to see hate crimes?

00:49:45.960 It's coming.

00:49:47.700 And that's why.

00:49:48.500 And you know what?

00:49:49.420 We deserve it for not stepping up.

00:49:51.540 We deserve it.

00:49:52.180 That's why we need organizations. 0.78

00:49:56.440 You know, there's, you know, log cabin organization, Republicans.

00:49:59.280 We've got, you know, gays against groomers, all those kind of things.

00:50:01.780 Those are people that need to rise up in our society.

00:50:05.900 I was the first one to doing it five years ago.

00:50:07.780 Now we have organizations that are being lifted.

00:50:10.220 These are the people that need to be heard from.

00:50:12.420 If we put these people in front of conservative people and evangelicals, if we adult better, this will stop faster.

00:50:19.440 But if we don't, the carnage will eventually stop this to a point where we will look back on this like we look back on Hitler in dinner parties. 0.82

00:50:29.860 Where we're all sitting there with our glasses of wine going, God, how did that happen?

00:50:34.480 How did people, you know, click, oh, I'm so glad, you know, Hitler's gone or whatever, all that kind of stuff.

00:50:38.960 That would never happen in a society.

00:50:40.700 We are too evolved to let something like that happen.

00:50:43.440 We're not.

00:50:44.820 This is going to be read about the same way in 50 years.

00:50:47.180 How did we butcher an entire generation of children?

00:50:53.420 And we've done it because we haven't adulted better.

00:50:56.800 We need to start.

00:50:58.200 And tell me about, you're on a speaking tour, a college campus tour.

00:51:02.700 And college campuses, you know, you want to think are places of critical thinking and free speech.

00:51:09.600 But as we've seen over the past several years, that's not always the case.

00:51:14.260 In fact, you'll probably receive the most hostility on these college campuses.

00:51:18.240 So tell me a little bit about that.

00:51:20.180 Well, Riley Gaines, who is who is on the forefront of, you know, stopping trans women in sports, started an organization and they reached out to me and she's the first person that I've said yes to on a speaking tour.

00:51:38.100 And I've done that because she's got a genuine heart and she's strong enough as a conservative Christian, very, very right person to sign me as a trans man, as a lesbian, as to adult better.

00:51:56.000 She's the first human being, the first organization, the first place that has basically come to me.

00:52:05.140 And I told him what I wanted and I listened to her speeches.

00:52:08.460 She's not hateful.

00:52:09.500 She's not right or left.

00:52:10.780 She has that little gray area in her speeches. 0.93

00:52:12.840 The reason why people listen to her and she's adulting better. 1.00

00:52:15.640 She's the first person in five years that I said, okay.

00:52:19.800 Okay, so we have some other women in sports that are going to be speaking. 1.00

00:52:27.420 So we're going to be going all over the country, speaking at colleges all over the country.

00:52:32.120 Maybe I don't even know.

00:52:33.120 It might be worldwide.

00:52:33.920 I don't know.

00:52:34.860 But if you go to my website, scottnugin.com, book a speech.

00:52:39.020 It's going to get built, you know, it's going to get filled up really, really fast.

00:52:43.160 But it's a conversation we need to have.

00:52:45.560 Yeah.

00:52:46.020 Well, thanks so much for what you do.

00:52:47.640 And where can people, I mean, support you, even learn more about your story?

00:52:52.700 There are so many details that you've shared over the years.

00:52:55.040 How can they do that?

00:52:56.200 Well, I've got a website called scottnugin.com.

00:52:58.940 Yeah.

00:52:59.320 S-C-O-T-T, Nugin, N-E-W-G-E-N-T. 1.00

00:53:01.600 On that website, I don't do a stereotypical.

00:53:04.440 I've had so many people, you know, tell me that your website's awful.

00:53:06.940 You need to do this.

00:53:07.540 You need to do that.

00:53:08.340 No, my website is filled with studies.

00:53:11.300 It's filled with links.

00:53:12.760 Somebody says this to you about, you know, the medicalization of children.

00:53:15.760 Click on this link.

00:53:16.560 This is a study you want to send it to.

00:53:18.660 This is the reason why people, it is not, it's not a friendly website for traffic, for donations,

00:53:25.260 but it's got a lot of information and it's opening up a lot of people's minds.

00:53:29.700 So I would go there.

00:53:31.620 Okay.

00:53:32.360 Great.

00:53:32.780 Awesome.

00:53:33.120 Well, thank you so much, Scott.

00:53:34.120 I really appreciate you taking the time, the courage, and your obedience to the call to

00:53:39.020 share these things that you didn't have to do, but you've put yourself out there.

00:53:42.920 You've put yourself out there to do it.

00:53:44.360 It's a worthy cause.

00:53:45.120 So thank you so much.

00:53:46.000 Thank you very, very much.

00:53:46.820 Thank you.

00:53:47.340 Thank you.

00:53:48.220 Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 04, 2023

Ep 884 ｜ Sex Change Regret： Why the Surgeries Never Work ｜ Guest： Scott Newgent

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