Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 886 ｜ Donor-Conceived, Lesbian-Raised & Born Again ｜ Guest： Ross Johnston

00:00:00.000 Ross Johnston was conceived via artificial insemination in 1994, was raised in a lesbian secular household, and then at the age of 16, he became a Christian and everything changed.

00:00:13.960 Now he's on a mission to share the gospel with as many people as possible, not just in the country, but specifically in the state of California.

00:00:22.960 Today he's here to tell us his story, how God finally satisfied the longing that he had for a dad, and why he cares so much about saving California through the power of the Holy Spirit.

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00:00:52.960 Ross, thanks so much for joining us. First, can you tell us who you are and what you do?

00:01:05.420 Yeah, so my name is Ross Johnston. I'm currently living in SoCal, everybody's favorite place to be.

00:01:10.900 And what I do right now is actually co-lead a ministry called California Will Be Saved.

00:01:15.720 And so what we do is, if you can imagine the most influential cities in California, we take a full sound system.

00:01:21.280 We do live worship, live music, preach the gospel, and then we baptize people right there on the ocean and plug them into local churches.

00:01:28.520 So that's what I'm doing full time at the moment.

00:01:30.420 Okay, we got to back up then. We got to back up to hear how you came to do what you do now.

00:01:36.880 Tell us about the household that you were raised in. Were you raised in this kind of revivalist Christian home?

00:01:42.060 Yeah, it honestly starts from day one because I was born by artificial insemination.

00:01:47.400 And the reason why I was born that way is my mom was and is living in a lesbian lifestyle. 1.00

00:01:52.500 And so I grew up in a two-mom household. That was quote-unquote normal for me.

00:01:57.100 And so my whole life, as I was from zero to 16 years old, every time we had a friend over or we had a party or birthday party, whatever the case may be,

00:02:05.600 it was typically somebody from that community. And so it's a very interesting backdrop because I definitely was not raised in a revival or Christian atmosphere.

00:02:15.580 Yet God pursued me. He found me. He saved me. And so here I am today.

00:02:20.000 Okay, let's dig into the details of that. We talk about that a lot on this show, just the formation of the family,

00:02:26.640 but also the reproductive industry, something like sperm donation.

00:02:30.160 And what was the first moment that you realized, oh, my family's a little different, that I've got two moms and my friends seem to have a dad.

00:02:40.780 Hmm, that's a little odd.

00:02:42.880 Yeah, well, honestly, it wasn't too different to me because it was how I was raised.

00:02:47.460 But then as I got older and started thinking, started asking questions and came to the Lord at 16 years old,

00:02:53.240 I was like, okay, I actually have to figure out like, what is different about my life?

00:02:58.100 Why do I have two moms as opposed to most people who I see have a one mom, one father?

00:03:03.020 And so I would say...

00:03:03.860 So it really wasn't until you were about 16 that you started really even thinking about that.

00:03:07.580 Because you said that a lot of people that came to your house, they were homosexual themselves.

00:03:12.120 Yes.

00:03:12.600 So it was just kind of normal for you.

00:03:14.920 Yeah, it was kind of normal. Like there wasn't really any questions to be asked because I didn't even know what questions to ask.

00:03:20.020 Right. But then when you give your life to Jesus and you start learning about him and the Holy Spirit enters into your heart and you're like, wow, this is not the language I like to say.

00:03:29.920 This is not the design of God. This is not how God created the family to operate.

00:03:33.720 And so when I started having that revelation, I was like, wow, there is something different about my upbringing than many other people.

00:03:40.900 And so that's what led me to start asking questions like, well, mom, like, tell me more about our family.

00:03:44.960 You know, tell me more about, do you know my dad?

00:03:47.100 And as those questions start to kind of come to the surface, you start figuring out really quickly, okay, this is a much different story than maybe I even knew was possible or existed.

00:03:56.280 So you don't remember when you're five or six years old ever having those questions or ever aching for a dad?

00:04:06.600 Or was it just like, this is just what my life is?

00:04:09.540 And you never even questioned it until you were a teenager.

00:04:12.460 So that's a really great question because though it was normal for me or what was normal to me, inside of me was a different story, right?

00:04:20.840 Because on the outside, it's like, okay, this is where I'm growing up.

00:04:23.520 I have my two moms.

00:04:24.700 This is the household.

00:04:25.680 But inside, I'm like, I didn't know what the language was or what the expression was, but I was longing, like you said, for a father.

00:04:31.900 I was longing for somebody who would provide, who would protect.

00:04:35.920 And my mom did many of those things. 0.99

00:04:37.280 But once again, when the woman's role is trying to step into the man's role, there's going to be differences there. 0.76

00:04:42.700 There's going to be what I would say almost really challenging areas that my mom couldn't fulfill, even though she tried her best.

00:04:50.280 And so deep down in my heart, as I got older, especially when I came to the Lord, I was like, wow, that's why I felt lonely.

00:04:56.860 That's why I felt anxious.

00:04:58.760 That's why I felt hopeless because I never had a true father who actually was able to father me as I was being raised up.

00:05:05.260 And tell us then, well, first, before I actually ask about your conversion or your coming to the Lord, what kind of religious environment were you raised in with two moms?

00:05:15.440 So I actually had never been to church my entire life.

00:05:18.880 Never heard a worship song.

00:05:20.400 I never heard a sermon.

00:05:22.060 I mean, I had, I like to say like this, I had zero grid for Jesus.

00:05:25.060 I had zero grid for the Bible.

00:05:26.740 I never opened up a Bible.

00:05:28.560 So when I first went to church, like everything was completely brand new to me.

00:05:33.200 So it was a zero.

00:05:36.140 Okay.

00:05:36.780 So no, no religious background at all.

00:05:40.020 Do you remember your mom's having any like animosity towards religion or Christianity or no?

00:05:46.220 You know, it's honestly a really interesting story because when I was, so from the time I was zero to 16 years old, my mom was with a certain partner.

00:05:54.180 And in that timeframe, that partner of hers would actually, she would say the name of Jesus or, you know, mention church or things like that.

00:06:01.740 But there was no, what I would say, personal engagement of our hearts towards the Lord.

00:06:05.980 Right.

00:06:06.400 And then at 16, they actually split.

00:06:09.500 And so it's almost like I had this like little voice, tiny, small voice of somebody who wasn't necessarily walking with the Lord, but still using his name.

00:06:17.840 And so then when I came to the Lord, it like shifted my whole perspective because I said, whoa, this Jesus that I at least heard the name of, now I actually know who he is.

00:06:26.100 Yeah.

00:06:26.400 And that's what really shifted everything in my life.

00:06:28.160 So I noticed that you say mom, you don't say moms, the two women that you were raised by zero to 16.

00:06:36.980 Do you consider the woman who laughed at 16, your, your mom too?

00:06:42.340 Yeah.

00:06:42.740 Great.

00:06:43.020 Yeah.

00:06:43.240 So I've never called her mom.

00:06:45.240 Really?

00:06:45.660 And, you know, even before I was a Christian and the reason why I use this specific language is because it's so important for people to understand.

00:06:52.480 We're not just talking about like one person's life, especially when we see our culture now and how there's, this is running through our entire nation.

00:06:59.860 Yeah.

00:07:00.180 And I like to say, Hey, if you don't walk in the design of God, you can't walk in the blessing of God.

00:07:04.760 So how does that do with the moms? 1.00

00:07:06.820 Well, we're only created to have one mom when we're here on the earth.

00:07:10.160 Right.

00:07:10.620 And so I never called her mom, even before I knew the Lord, because that was not the design of God.

00:07:16.140 So it's not going to naturally come out.

00:07:17.760 Now, maybe I can force it.

00:07:19.160 Maybe I can try to make it into something it's not.

00:07:20.880 But for me, my whole experience, I've always called my biological mom, mom.

00:07:25.340 And she never pushed you to call her partner mom, too.

00:07:29.780 Yeah.

00:07:30.000 I never recall my mom ever trying to, you know, and I've actually had that.

00:07:35.000 Somebody asked me that question recently.

00:07:36.100 And I was like, man, I can't remember a time where my mom was like, Hey, you must call her mom.

00:07:41.000 But I do know that my mom, she was really gracious to me growing up and she really cared for me well.

00:07:47.220 And so I think she was like, Hey, I'm not going to force my son to do something if he doesn't want to do it.

00:07:52.800 And I'm honestly really grateful that my mom at least had the ability to like say, Hey, I want to give you grace.

00:07:58.860 I'm going to make you're going to you're allowed to kind of choose what you want to do in this situation,

00:08:02.180 even though she was living in a specific lifestyle.

00:08:05.020 It's interesting kind of what you said about God writing his design on all of our hearts naturally,

00:08:23.520 that even your mom, even though she was living outside of God's design,

00:08:26.800 it's like she knew that the natural and right thing was for a child to have one mom.

00:08:33.880 And I think I want, I don't know if it's rare, but I do think, as you said, it's good that she didn't force that on you.

00:08:39.200 She didn't force at least that confusion on you to say, no, you have two moms, even though that's a biological impossibility.

00:08:45.340 And so, yeah, I wonder if that kind of allowed you or set you up for greater clarity later on,

00:08:52.300 because she didn't force that confusion on you early.

00:08:54.760 That's really interesting.

00:08:55.860 Yeah.

00:08:56.080 Well, one thing that I've really found, you know, especially if we look in the last 10 or 20 years of our culture,

00:09:00.540 it seems like this LGBTQ agenda, it's really coming to the surface.

00:09:05.200 Like it's always been there, right?

00:09:06.320 There's always people that have lived that lifestyle, but it seems to be more prevalent.

00:09:09.640 Whereas with my mom, she never actually forced it upon me, which is really like,

00:09:14.120 she never forced me in the sense of like, hey, you must believe this.

00:09:16.920 You must follow this.

00:09:18.080 Now, obviously, when I became a Christian, there's some conversations we had to have.

00:09:22.200 And I was so new in the faith that I really didn't know what to say.

00:09:25.020 I just, I was like, hey, I love Jesus.

00:09:28.380 You know, his word says that this is not the lifestyle of a believer.

00:09:31.900 And so we had to have some real conversations.

00:09:34.000 But the amazing thing is, is even till this day, my mom and I, we engage in conversation.

00:09:38.940 And I'm really honest with her.

00:09:40.220 I say, mom, you know, I love you.

00:09:41.940 I'm so grateful for everything you did for me,

00:09:44.000 but I'm believing that you would personally engage with Jesus in your heart.

00:09:47.500 Right.

00:09:48.040 And so that's where our relationship is today.

00:09:49.900 And when her partner left when you were 16, so this is around the time that you became a Christian.

00:09:56.360 Same week.

00:09:57.240 Same week.

00:09:57.980 So was that destabilizing for you?

00:10:01.560 Even though you didn't consider her a mom, I imagine that that was a hurtful shift in your life

00:10:07.460 when they were no longer together.

00:10:09.360 Yeah, it was a really challenging week because in that week when they were splitting up,

00:10:14.280 obviously before any relationship splits up, there's going to be tension

00:10:17.460 and there's going to be just strife in the house.

00:10:19.900 And as a kid, you can discern that whether you know it or not.

00:10:22.620 Then add on top of that, it's my first time ever going to church.

00:10:25.940 I walk into the church building and for the first time in my life,

00:10:29.180 I'm actually sensing the presence of God.

00:10:32.140 And so I go home, I have this tension kind of happening at the house,

00:10:35.460 which seems for a 15, 16 year old, it's really challenging.

00:10:38.480 Right.

00:10:38.680 And I also have a younger brother.

00:10:40.120 And then I go to church.

00:10:41.160 It's like the world is completely different.

00:10:42.720 I'm full of hope.

00:10:43.840 I'm full of peace.

00:10:44.980 There's grace.

00:10:46.200 I'm feeling the presence of God.

00:10:47.420 And so it was like these two worlds, these two tensions kind of colliding in that week.

00:10:51.080 And so it was a really challenging moment because as much as I love my mom,

00:10:55.260 there's tension happening in the household.

00:10:57.160 Right.

00:10:57.680 So, yeah, it was really challenging.

00:10:59.140 So tell me how you were invited to church.

00:11:01.940 How did you become a Christian?

00:11:03.660 It's actually a funny story.

00:11:05.120 A friend of mine from my high school says,

00:11:06.940 Hey, do you want to come to church with me and my grandma?

00:11:09.200 I say, sure.

00:11:10.560 Why not?

00:11:11.160 I show up.

00:11:12.100 Typical story.

00:11:12.780 I'm sitting in the back row of the church.

00:11:14.500 I wasn't mad.

00:11:15.200 I was actually genuinely curious, but I was sitting back there and the worship was playing.

00:11:19.480 Like I said, this is the first time I'd ever heard live worship music.

00:11:22.920 So as soon as I heard live worship music and I, and like I said, at the time, I didn't

00:11:26.660 know what this was, but it was the presence of God.

00:11:28.960 I was an easy one.

00:11:30.260 I said, presence of God.

00:11:31.640 I feel great.

00:11:32.640 I'm full of hope.

00:11:33.340 I'm full of joy.

00:11:34.280 Jesus, here's my life, you know?

00:11:35.860 And I even remember going home that night.

00:11:38.000 And the first time you went to church.

00:11:39.380 Yeah, that was kind of, that was like my original reaction as my friend actually asked me, she

00:11:43.280 said, how did you like the service?

00:11:44.700 I said, I'm not really sure what I think, but I know what I feel and I feel full of hope.

00:11:50.080 I, I feel excited.

00:11:51.520 I feel something's going on.

00:11:53.320 Right.

00:11:53.700 So I go home that night and you know, anytime you go to Sunday service, for the most part,

00:11:57.680 the pastor gives what we would call an altar call.

00:12:00.260 And the pastor says, Hey, you know, do you want to give your life to Jesus?

00:12:03.420 So I go home that night and I'm thinking, if I'm going to give my life to something, this needs

00:12:08.100 to be like the real deal.

00:12:09.480 You know, I don't want to just be a good person who reads a good book and goes to a good church.

00:12:13.320 Like God, if you really are real, like this pastor said, Jesus, if you are the Messiah,

00:12:18.200 I want to know you.

00:12:19.720 I want to know you.

00:12:20.440 And sure enough, day after day in my room, I would just sense the presence of God over

00:12:24.620 and over.

00:12:25.080 And I said, here's my life.

00:12:26.760 So do you remember in those first church services, hearing the gospel?

00:12:32.700 Like, do you have like tangible memories of that?

00:12:35.940 I have tangible memories of different pieces.

00:12:38.580 Like I can't remember, like, you know, some people, they have these crazy encounters of

00:12:41.800 what they would say.

00:12:42.620 They have these moments that are like, Whoa, like I really, I heard my name or this or something.

00:12:47.140 For me, it wasn't like that.

00:12:48.940 It was more so like my whole life.

00:12:51.160 I longed for this peace in my heart.

00:12:53.400 And for the first time, I actually felt that I had language for that through the gospel.

00:12:57.960 And so the gospel was the language for what my heart was longing for my entire life.

00:13:01.800 And so when I heard it, when I sensed it, when I felt it, I was like, this is it right

00:13:06.820 here.

00:13:07.220 This is Jesus.

00:13:08.200 He's not just some man.

00:13:09.920 He's not just a book.

00:13:11.300 He's not just a building.

00:13:12.880 No, he's actually a relationship.

00:13:14.740 And so that shifted everything for me.

00:13:16.360 So it was an affirmation of what you already knew that you needed, but you couldn't yet

00:13:21.760 put it into words.

00:13:22.720 So the message that you were a sinner bound for hell, that I think sometimes is an impediment

00:13:32.880 for people who don't think that they need a savior or who think that they're generally

00:13:37.220 a good person.

00:13:38.520 For someone like you who didn't have that kind of theological background, I imagine that

00:13:43.680 you weren't taught, hey, you're a sinner in need of a savior growing up. 1.00

00:13:47.620 What was that aspect of the gospel like?

00:13:50.200 Or was that also just affirmation?

00:13:52.100 And were you kind of like, yeah, I already know I'm messed up.

00:13:55.040 Well, like I said, growing up, I always felt this sense of like nobody actually knew me,

00:14:00.640 right?

00:14:00.920 Or nobody actually cared.

00:14:02.060 Even though my mom was, she cared for me and she took care of me in my soul, in my heart,

00:14:06.860 it felt like nobody actually cared for Ross.

00:14:09.140 It was what I would like to call like an orphan spirit, right?

00:14:11.660 Where I always saw me against the world.

00:14:13.680 Or I remember specifically when I would go to friends' houses, we had enough food on the

00:14:17.400 table.

00:14:17.860 We had a house, we had everything we needed, but I'd always try to eat as much as I could,

00:14:21.040 right?

00:14:21.600 Or I'd always try to make sure that I took care of Ross first, get as much as I could

00:14:26.140 for Ross, right?

00:14:27.580 And so when I heard the gospel, it confronted that orphan spirit that no, you're not alone.

00:14:32.840 You do have a father.

00:14:34.100 And not only do you have a father, he cares about you.

00:14:36.900 He wants to provide for you and he wants to protect you.

00:14:38.940 So it was almost like the gospel, though sin is obviously a critical component of the gospel

00:14:44.200 and understanding that we are separated from God.

00:14:46.580 It was like, I was so overjoyed to know that there's actually a God and I have a father that

00:14:51.880 for me, I was like, yeah, I'm a sinner.

00:14:53.440 Like whatever you need to do, Lord, here I am.

00:14:55.780 I repent.

00:14:56.280 Like I was just all in because for the first time in my life, I actually had that heart

00:15:00.260 connection.

00:15:01.040 Yeah.

00:15:01.360 Isn't it interesting that you lacked a sense of belonging, even though you did have a home,

00:15:07.980 you were not an orphan, you had a mother who loved you, and yet you still kind of felt

00:15:12.060 like you were just wading through the world, right?

00:15:14.920 Without any direction and without someone who was really intently watching over you.

00:15:20.060 Yeah.

00:15:20.460 I even remember, this is going to sound funny, but it'll make sense.

00:15:23.560 The first person, like the first girlfriend I ever had in high school, when we broke up,

00:15:27.680 I like had to force myself to cry.

00:15:30.020 So I'd listen to specific songs, right?

00:15:32.160 And I know most people have had that story, but the reason why-

00:15:34.400 What, like secondhand serenade or something like that?

00:15:36.160 I don't know if we're the same age, but that's what we would have listened to, emo songs like

00:15:40.340 that.

00:15:40.560 Yeah.

00:15:40.840 But I remember the reason why that story comes to mind is because I was trying so hard to

00:15:44.400 feel something.

00:15:45.520 I was trying so hard to connect with like an emotion, right?

00:15:48.680 Like somebody care for me.

00:15:50.340 Does somebody see my heart?

00:15:51.360 It wasn't even the girl, you know?

00:15:52.660 It was the fact that I was longing for a deep heart connection.

00:15:56.280 And so it's a funny story, but it proves the fact of like, hey, when we don't walk once

00:16:01.400 again, in that design of God, when we don't know our father and we don't have a natural

00:16:05.340 father in our life, who's there for us, our hearts ache.

00:16:09.600 We long, we hurt.

00:16:11.200 And until we find the language of Jesus, of the gospel, man, we're just going to kind of

00:16:16.020 be on this, like, we're going to live this life with such a tainted view.

00:16:19.700 And we're just going to make decisions that just lead us deeper and deeper into that hole.

00:16:22.780 So for every Christian who is converted from unbelief to belief, there is a sanctification

00:16:31.820 process.

00:16:32.480 So we don't understand everything that God has for us or everything that God reveals in

00:16:38.000 his word right away.

00:16:39.620 We have a longing now.

00:16:41.300 We have a hatred for sin.

00:16:43.160 We become new.

00:16:44.480 But there's a lot of things that we still have to work out.

00:16:46.800 Now, I imagine, just knowing your background, that one of the most difficult things was

00:16:51.980 God's design for marriage. 0.73

00:16:54.060 Now, you had that inherent sense of, okay, something's off.

00:16:57.520 I need a father, a sense of belonging.

00:17:00.140 But for these people, this mother that you've loved to hear, this is not God's design, what

00:17:05.080 was that like for you working that out?

00:17:07.440 Yeah.

00:17:07.860 Well, when I first got saved, I really didn't even have that language, right?

00:17:11.540 Because everything was so new to me.

00:17:13.260 So I don't even remember what I told my mom, to be honest.

00:17:16.800 I don't remember fully.

00:17:18.360 But as I've gotten older, you know, she sees my content.

00:17:21.200 I'm very upfront in my content and I honor my mom, right?

00:17:24.360 I'm like, mom, I love you.

00:17:25.700 I'm so grateful and thankful for everything you've done for me.

00:17:28.440 However, when you only have a mom, you can't do everything that God designed because you

00:17:34.160 have one role and the father has another role.

00:17:36.280 And I've had this conversation multiple times.

00:17:38.200 And so for me, where I'm at right now is I'm like, Lord, you, in our culture, we have

00:17:44.360 these prevailing narratives, right?

00:17:46.200 And the thing that I really struggled with the most was actually not the marriage component.

00:17:50.080 It was a component of sexual confusion and even addiction.

00:17:54.740 Because when you're around that spirit, there's different expressions, right?

00:17:59.340 We see the gender confusion.

00:18:00.660 We see, you know, pornography.

00:18:02.040 We see all these different expressions, but it's the same spirit behind it all.

00:18:04.800 And so for me, that was actually my biggest struggle was I was like, okay, I'm not struggling

00:18:10.200 personally with being attracted to men, but I am struggling in this area of lust.

00:18:16.220 And so for me, that was a challenge that I really had to overcome when I became a believer.

00:18:19.660 Now that you are able to look back in retrospect, you're able to kind of put words to the longing

00:18:39.100 and the orphan spirit that you said that you had.

00:18:42.400 Do you now see some examples of the consequences of not having a father growing up before you

00:18:49.980 were even able to put words into it?

00:18:52.660 Like the lack of even just like a masculine presence.

00:18:55.980 Like what are some of those things that you see now looking back?

00:18:59.120 Yeah.

00:18:59.420 I mean, it's going to sound funny, but it's just the reality.

00:19:02.180 I didn't know how to pursue a woman. 1.00

00:19:03.780 Like I, in high school, I had no clue how to approach a woman. 0.99

00:19:07.400 Like if I was interested in, like I had no clue because I never had a father to say, Hey,

00:19:11.680 this is how you respect women. 0.99

00:19:12.980 Hey, if you're feeling this, there's one way to do it.

00:19:15.240 You know, I had zero of that.

00:19:16.760 So for so long in my life, I listened to culture, whatever music said, whatever the movie said,

00:19:22.640 Oh, that's what I have to do to be a man.

00:19:24.400 Oh, that is what it actually means to pursue a woman.

00:19:26.820 Oh, that's what it actually means to be successful.

00:19:29.400 Right.

00:19:29.720 And then once again, when you come to the Lord and the Holy spirit comes in you, you're

00:19:33.740 confronted because everything you thought was truth is no longer truth.

00:19:37.940 It's actually a lie and a facade.

00:19:40.420 And so that was one of the biggest things I remember.

00:19:42.900 Like I, it's like, I had a light bulb moment, like, Whoa, everything that I put my hope,

00:19:47.360 my trust, my faith in is actually not the truth.

00:19:51.100 It's a lie.

00:19:52.520 And so that's been one of the, one of those things where I was like, wow, this is, this

00:19:57.080 is truly what God has called me into is to stand and confront these issues of our day

00:20:01.160 and say, Hey, you might be feeling a certain way.

00:20:04.000 You might have a certain experience, but here's the truth that God has for you.

00:20:07.580 And not only is it the truth, but it's better.

00:20:09.880 Yeah.

00:20:10.520 What's your response to the prevailing message of the day?

00:20:13.840 There'll even be some YouTube comments saying, um, you know what?

00:20:18.400 You shouldn't try to change your mom or it's totally, it's totally acceptable to be a so-called 0.76

00:20:25.340 gay Christian. 0.71

00:20:26.700 God doesn't have a particular design. 0.76

00:20:29.540 Um, you understand where that person is coming from and why it's very personal for a lot of

00:20:34.760 people, but how do you approach that?

00:20:37.460 Yeah.

00:20:37.680 I mean, on a practical level, if we look at thousands of years of the church, we know deep

00:20:42.880 down, right?

00:20:43.620 We know deep down, like, God, this is what your word says.

00:20:46.540 And this is what's been practiced for thousands of years by the church.

00:20:49.140 So anytime there's a Christian or somebody who would profess being a believer who is

00:20:53.620 okay with gay marriage or living in a lesbian lifestyle, it's like, I want to actually have 0.94

00:20:58.780 a real conversation with you because that expression is probably not the root issue.

00:21:03.680 There's something deep down in your heart.

00:21:05.440 There's, there's an experience.

00:21:06.880 There's a moment, something that somebody has said, whatever the case may be.

00:21:10.980 So my heart is like, do you actually want to have a real conversation with me?

00:21:14.340 Or do you just want to toss names and words back and forth?

00:21:16.940 I'm not interested in getting in emotional debates with you.

00:21:19.700 I'm interested in like, who are you?

00:21:22.280 What's your heart?

00:21:23.440 Where are you at with Jesus?

00:21:24.720 Because when you have the real conversations and the real questions, you can't lie or you

00:21:30.540 just walk away.

00:21:31.340 And so any person that's in one of those boats, I'm like, let's have a real conversation.

00:21:35.740 Let's see where are you coming from?

00:21:38.340 Let me share my experience.

00:21:39.520 Let's talk about the word of God.

00:21:40.700 Let's see what Holy Spirit wants to reveal to us and let's have a real conversation.

00:21:44.680 That's what I love to tell people.

00:21:46.020 Yeah, that's really good because it does come back to like a very fundamental understanding

00:21:50.820 of who God is and what his word is.

00:21:53.900 When we have the conversations about like, you know, proper sexuality, holy sexuality and

00:21:59.960 gender, things like that, that have turned into these political topics, which are really

00:22:03.740 fundamentally biblical, I do, I agree.

00:22:06.940 I think it's important to go back to what does that person believe about God?

00:22:12.440 Because before we can talk about homosexuality, before we can talk about Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 0.84

00:22:18.000 6, Genesis 1, all these passages, do you believe that God is good?

00:22:23.120 Do you believe that he's trustworthy?

00:22:24.560 Do you believe that he's authoritative?

00:22:26.200 Do you believe that he made all of this and therefore like can define things how he wants

00:22:30.880 to define them?

00:22:31.660 Do you believe that he knows what is best for you?

00:22:34.700 And then do you believe that he has revealed those things through his word?

00:22:38.440 Because that's really what we are debating.

00:22:40.920 Rather than debating these other issues, we're really debating, who do you think is in charge?

00:22:45.860 Is it you or God?

00:22:47.380 That makes all the difference, right?

00:22:48.840 Yeah.

00:22:49.060 Well, because Paul said, right, if you don't have the Holy Spirit, you can't understand spiritual

00:22:52.900 truth, right?

00:22:54.060 So that doesn't mean we don't quote the word of God.

00:22:55.660 Of course not.

00:22:56.340 But what it means is we need to actually talk about life experiences.

00:23:00.600 We need to talk about what do you believe about creation?

00:23:03.180 We need to actually talk about these things because it's so easy just to throw your opinion

00:23:07.860 or whatever you may believe in one box and you never actually have to engage on the heart

00:23:12.560 level, right?

00:23:13.420 So many people are engaging up here.

00:23:15.160 I want to engage right here.

00:23:16.500 I want to engage on the heart level.

00:23:18.260 I want to engage where, what do you believe?

00:23:20.440 What was your experience as a child growing up?

00:23:22.380 How were your parents?

00:23:23.580 Why do you believe this?

00:23:24.940 Right?

00:23:25.100 Because when we actually talk about your actual life, it goes from me just saying, this is

00:23:29.460 my opinion to, uh-oh, I have to actually confront what's in my actual heart and what I believe

00:23:34.240 about God.

00:23:34.960 Yeah.

00:23:35.480 And once you've established with someone, if someone says, yes, I believe God is good,

00:23:40.520 loving, authoritative, and that his word is inerrant, then you can go from there.

00:23:44.220 And then you can say, great.

00:23:46.080 Like, here's what the word says.

00:23:48.080 And God is so gracious, I think, to give us the privilege of clarity that the world doesn't

00:23:52.420 have.

00:23:52.840 The world is waiting in chaos and confusion, and God is not a God of confusion or chaos.

00:23:58.640 He's a God of peace.

00:23:59.580 He's a God of truth.

00:24:00.420 He's a God of clarity.

00:24:01.480 And he's made these very contentious and hot-button topics so clear for the Christian

00:24:05.860 that it's actually a privilege that we get to look at Genesis 127, that we are made male

00:24:11.760 and female, and say, awesome. 1.00

00:24:13.700 Like, I don't have to wade into all of these very confusing thought exercises about gender

00:24:20.560 bending and things like that, because God has given us the gift of clarity in his word.

00:24:24.760 I think sometimes people see God's word as like a burden that they have to carry, that

00:24:29.120 they have to apologize for, or take God off the hook for the culture.

00:24:33.080 Really, it's such a privilege.

00:24:34.400 Yeah.

00:24:34.820 That we get that clarity.

00:24:36.280 Yeah.

00:24:36.500 And I even want to call the church higher too, right?

00:24:38.520 Like, there's two sides to this coin.

00:24:40.520 It's like, yeah, we're the church of Jesus Christ.

00:24:43.920 We are supposed to be the most loving, but at the same time, share the truth.

00:24:47.440 And so many times we want to settle for one or the other, like all truth, all truth, all

00:24:51.060 truth.

00:24:51.640 And then we actually never love the person.

00:24:53.220 And if you don't feel loved by somebody, you're probably not going to have a conversation

00:24:56.320 with them, right?

00:24:57.140 But at the same time, we have the other camp.

00:24:59.240 It's all about love.

00:25:00.320 It's all about what you feel.

00:25:01.700 It's like, yeah, God is love, right?

00:25:04.700 But at the same time, we have to share truth.

00:25:07.180 And so that's what I want to see take place is like, hey, we can have our beliefs and our

00:25:11.060 thoughts, but are we willing to actually come together, have conversation, love one another,

00:25:16.340 but actually share the truth with one another?

00:25:18.060 Because that is an absolute game changer.

00:25:20.460 Yeah.

00:25:20.560 Absolute game changer.

00:25:21.360 Yeah.

00:25:21.440 First John 4, 8, God is love, but I like to say, but you cannot out love God.

00:25:27.280 And so I think a lot of people by apologizing for God's word or pretending that God didn't

00:25:33.120 have anything to say about sexuality or about gender, they actually think that they are more

00:25:39.180 loving or more compassionate or more empathetic than God is.

00:25:43.120 Because if God is love and he said what he said in Romans 1, he said what he said in 1 Corinthians

00:25:48.980 6, he said what he said in Genesis 1, therefore, all of those things are loving.

00:25:54.480 He can't say something that is not loving or do something that is not loving because he

00:25:58.760 is love.

00:25:59.540 We're not told that we are love, but he is love.

00:26:01.800 Therefore, the most loving thing we can always do is agree with him.

00:26:05.820 And that's hard for all of us.

00:26:07.440 That's difficult for all of us, you know, in relationships in different ways, or even just

00:26:10.680 confronting the sin in our own heart.

00:26:12.080 You know, it can be difficult, but it's also a comfort to know, okay, if God says something

00:26:16.340 that it is the most loving thing that I can say to you.

00:26:18.740 Well, if we're Christians and we say we believe what we believe and there's a real eternity,

00:26:23.440 how can, if, if I actually say I love you, but I don't even give you an opportunity to

00:26:28.300 enter into eternity with God, do I actually love you?

00:26:32.060 Right?

00:26:32.400 Like if I say, oh, you know what?

00:26:34.320 I want the best for you.

00:26:35.660 I care about your life.

00:26:36.700 But then I'm scared to go into these hard topics because I'm afraid of a relational

00:26:41.300 dynamic or whatever the case may be.

00:26:43.080 It's like, no, no, no.

00:26:44.400 I have to do what Paul said.

00:26:45.680 I have to set my sight on heavenly realities.

00:26:48.560 I can't be so focused on what's in front of me.

00:26:51.100 Paul said, what we see now won't last forever, but what we don't see will last forever.

00:26:56.020 So if I truly love you and I truly care about you, I have to share the truth with you.

00:27:00.800 Not because I want to hit you on the head and make you feel horrible.

00:27:04.020 No, no, no.

00:27:04.440 I want to give you an opportunity to say, listen, here is the real Jesus, the real Jesus.

00:27:11.040 Not only will he do X, Y, and Z for you because he's good, but he wants you to know him.

00:27:15.740 You know, God's greatest desire is not what we can do for him.

00:27:18.720 It's being with him.

00:27:20.200 And so many people, they come from this perspective.

00:27:22.120 Well, if I come to God, I got to do this.

00:27:23.640 Like, well, yes, if you love somebody, you do something for them, but his greatest desire

00:27:27.200 isn't what you do.

00:27:28.380 He wants to know you.

00:27:29.780 He wants your heart to be filled with his love.

00:27:31.600 He wants you to walk in peace, walk in joy, walk in hope.

00:27:35.240 But if nobody, aka the church, if we don't give people an opportunity and explain that

00:27:38.940 to them, how would they ever know?

00:27:40.960 Yeah.

00:27:41.240 Right?

00:27:41.520 Romans 10.

00:27:42.300 Unless somebody goes, how are they going to know?

00:27:44.340 Unless somebody speaks, how are they going to hear?

00:27:46.340 So that's our privilege, like you said, and our opportunity as a church.

00:27:50.100 And obviously, you feel a love in multiple different ways for your mom that you don't

00:28:08.180 feel for every person.

00:28:09.860 You love her as a Christian.

00:28:11.320 You love her as someone who wants her to be saved, just as you love everyone that you

00:28:15.840 encounter.

00:28:16.300 But also, this is your mother.

00:28:17.640 Absolutely.

00:28:17.920 This is a special connection there.

00:28:20.060 And so tell us a little bit more.

00:28:21.480 You've referenced it a couple of times about the conversations that you've had with her.

00:28:25.620 But tell us what that's like.

00:28:26.900 It sounds like you still have a good relationship, even though you believe the things that you

00:28:32.080 do, not just about God, but about her state and about who she believes that she is on a

00:28:39.060 fundamental level.

00:28:40.360 What has that been like?

00:28:41.540 Yeah.

00:28:41.660 So it's really funny because just over a year ago, before I got into full-time ministry,

00:28:45.740 I was working for a social media marketing agency, making really good money, right?

00:28:50.260 And the Lord said, hey, if you want to pioneer a movement, you're going to have to resign.

00:28:53.860 So I resigned.

00:28:54.900 So when you go from pretty good money to zero, it's a big situation.

00:28:58.560 And the reason why I'm sharing this is because my mom was one of the first people to say,

00:29:01.700 you know what?

00:29:02.360 I'll be one of your monthly financial donors.

00:29:04.160 And she knows what I do.

00:29:05.560 Travel America full-time, share the gospel, equip the church.

00:29:08.460 Like she knows what I do.

00:29:09.340 It's not like I'm just like, yeah, mom, I'm just kind of like speaking here and there.

00:29:11.900 Like she knows, right?

00:29:13.280 Number two, she'll call me from time to time and she'll say, man, I watch one of your videos

00:29:17.300 on social media, whatever it is.

00:29:19.100 It's like, I sense something.

00:29:20.440 I feel something.

00:29:21.200 You need to keep doing that.

00:29:22.820 Right?

00:29:23.220 So she knows, she knows that the Lord is working on her heart and she knows, that's why

00:29:28.700 she won't come to one of my gatherings because she knows she'll get saved.

00:29:31.820 But our relationship is.

00:29:33.120 She's like scared of what the Holy Spirit is already starting to stir in her.

00:29:37.580 Yeah.

00:29:37.820 So our relationship is actually really good, which I know unfortunately is not the case

00:29:41.980 for many people.

00:29:42.500 Maybe they're in my situation or my beau, but I think that's what happens when you're genuine

00:29:46.840 with somebody, even if they disagree with you, if you're genuine, you share the truth

00:29:51.140 in love.

00:29:52.380 How can, I mean, sure.

00:29:53.420 There will always be the, what I like to call the crazy people who just say, I'm not going

00:29:56.720 to accept that.

00:29:57.320 I'm out.

00:29:57.720 Don't talk to me again.

00:29:58.480 That's a small percentage.

00:29:59.740 Most people, they'll have a conversation with you.

00:30:01.540 So my mom and I, I've kept it real with her.

00:30:04.160 I love her.

00:30:05.260 She sees my life, but not only does she see my life, she sees the fruit of my life.

00:30:09.200 Right.

00:30:09.620 Because if I'm going to call somebody into the reality of who Jesus is, but I'm not

00:30:13.200 bearing fruit in my life, it's going to be a little challenging.

00:30:15.820 It's a little iffy.

00:30:16.760 And so I think all those components together have really allowed my mom and I's relationship

00:30:20.920 to be on a healthy level while we share, while I share truth with her.

00:30:24.900 Yeah.

00:30:25.560 Right.

00:30:25.840 And you said that you had a brother.

00:30:27.080 I know you can't speak for your brother, but is he kind of in the same position that

00:30:31.660 you are?

00:30:32.320 Like, has he realized a lot of the same things that you have?

00:30:34.840 So I'm actually the only Christian in my family.

00:30:37.380 It's a really unique story because my mom, my mom never knew her father, my grandma, right?

00:30:43.640 My grandma never knew her father.

00:30:45.960 Right.

00:30:46.460 And so all the only family that I have is literally my mom, my brother.

00:30:51.440 My mom has a few siblings, but I've only seen him once or twice.

00:30:54.020 Now I share all this because I think really what we're getting into is the even bigger

00:30:58.080 picture, which is, like I said earlier, we have a fatherlessness crisis.

00:31:03.320 We have a lack of fathers and there's three ways to look at this, right?

00:31:06.760 Number one, you actually didn't have a natural father.

00:31:09.580 Number two, you did have a father, but he didn't know the Lord or didn't represent the

00:31:13.340 Lord well.

00:31:14.080 Or three, you have a misrepresentation of the father.

00:31:17.540 So if you have any of those happening in your life, it's really easy to end up in a situation

00:31:21.820 like I did.

00:31:22.380 Praise God that I met the Lord and now I have the Holy Spirit, but all those things

00:31:26.920 I believe are the bigger issue and we're seeing it confronted on a cultural level.

00:31:31.780 Do you still long to know who your biological father is?

00:31:36.960 I've actually, no, it's surprising.

00:31:40.280 I know most people go, don't you want to meet him and see him?

00:31:42.860 And I don't.

00:31:44.280 And I think one of the reasons why is this is going to sound like a really cheesy line,

00:31:48.580 but I'm learning that the cheesy lines are usually the most true lines, right?

00:31:51.860 When I met the father, he became my father and he fathered me from 16 years old till

00:31:57.260 now.

00:31:57.820 He's now taught me how to be a man.

00:32:00.140 He's taught me how to pursue a woman.

00:32:02.160 He's taught me what it means one day to lead a family, right?

00:32:04.920 So as soon as you meet the father, all of a sudden you actually get to learn from the

00:32:11.280 truest source.

00:32:12.140 You get to meet, you get to learn from God himself.

00:32:13.980 And so in regards to the question, I've never really had this longing.

00:32:18.140 Like if it was to happen or if he's somehow watching this, of course I'd meet him.

00:32:22.140 I'd say, Hey, like, who are you?

00:32:23.880 Cause I don't know.

00:32:24.360 I don't know anything about him.

00:32:25.660 I just know his height.

00:32:26.900 And I think like eye color, right?

00:32:28.580 That's all I know.

00:32:29.460 So I'd be curious.

00:32:30.980 But there's nothing in me that's like, man, I absolutely, this is like a life mission

00:32:34.240 of mine.

00:32:34.560 Like I must do this.

00:32:35.640 I don't really have a desire in that regard.

00:32:37.520 Did you have mentors when you became a Christian and afterward in the church of older men who

00:32:42.980 kind of took you under their wing and helped support you?

00:32:46.620 I remember when I first got saved, cause keep, like I said, it was such a different world for

00:32:51.640 me.

00:32:51.940 Like it was going from, you know, literally darkness into light.

00:32:54.920 And so there was a guy by the name of Chris and he became such a spiritual father to me

00:33:00.640 in that season of my life.

00:33:01.860 I remember him sometimes taking me home to church, you know, grabbing food for me and

00:33:05.540 letting me spend, letting me spend the night at his house once or twice a week or whatever

00:33:08.280 the case may be.

00:33:09.120 And even now in my life, I actually have two or three men who are much older than me, who

00:33:14.040 I always go to for life things and spiritual matters because it's so important to have people

00:33:19.760 in your life who you allow to speak in.

00:33:21.160 But especially when you come from a background like me, where you don't, you never had a

00:33:25.320 natural father, there still is that craving and that desire to say, man, I wish I could

00:33:30.880 just sometimes, you know, lay on my father's chest, right?

00:33:33.540 Or I wish sometimes I can just, he can just hug me.

00:33:36.240 Or I wish sometimes he could just listen to me, right?

00:33:38.300 Now I have that in the father, right?

00:33:39.820 In God, but we're natural beings.

00:33:42.240 We, we want someone in right here next to us to be able to comfort us in different moments

00:33:46.360 of our life.

00:33:46.800 So there is a desire for that, but it's not, it's not the desire for like the guy

00:33:52.040 who actually, you know, donated his sperm and my mom was inseminated by, right?

00:33:56.300 Yeah.

00:33:57.420 And you will, you know, by the grace of God and according to the will of God, be a father

00:34:04.480 one day, if that's what's in store for you.

00:34:06.460 You're not, you're not married right now.

00:34:08.620 And so as you think about the future of fatherhood and knowing that you didn't have a natural

00:34:13.920 example for that, like, what are your thoughts surrounding that?

00:34:16.600 Is that intimidating for you?

00:34:17.800 Does it scare you a little bit?

00:34:19.000 Are you just super excited to be able to, I mean, you're, you would be breaking a generational

00:34:25.600 experience that your predecessors had by providing a father for your child.

00:34:32.760 So what are your thoughts?

00:34:33.740 There's moments where I, where I think about it.

00:34:35.560 I'm like, I don't know what to do, you know?

00:34:38.140 And then I, I talked to other men.

00:34:39.640 They're like, I don't know what to do.

00:34:41.140 Right.

00:34:41.800 So there's parts of me that kind of go like, wow, like how, how am I going to handle that?

00:34:45.920 Like, will I be a good father?

00:34:47.400 But then there's the reality and the truth of, well, I have the Holy Spirit and the Holy

00:34:52.500 Spirit is going to teach me how to lead, how to guide.

00:34:55.420 I have the word of God.

00:34:56.240 I can see practically what to do things, how to lead my wife, how to love my children.

00:35:00.860 So there's been moments where I was like, man, this is kind of scary and this is going

00:35:04.600 to be really challenging.

00:35:05.280 But I think where I'm at right now is, it's actually something I'm looking forward to.

00:35:08.780 I'm like, man, it's an honor and a blessing to be called a father.

00:35:13.340 It's an honor and a blessing to build and to lead a legacy.

00:35:16.960 And more importantly, to be a man of God in a culture that is just so anti-men.

00:35:22.240 And you know, that's a whole nother conversation, but so yeah, I'm really looking forward to it.

00:35:25.680 And I'm really excited to have children one day, to lead a family, to have a wife.

00:35:35.280 Okay, tell us a little bit more before we end about what you do, California will be saved.

00:35:48.800 I know you mentioned it at the beginning, but tell us a little bit more about it.

00:35:52.020 Yeah.

00:35:52.200 When we look at California, it's really easy to say, it's so dark and it's so crazy.

00:35:57.380 Like, is God there in that state, right?

00:36:00.620 But when we look at history, we see so much revival history and so many things, so many

00:36:05.480 moves of God that have happened in the state.

00:36:06.900 So I like to say it like this, California has a DNA of revival.

00:36:10.520 It has a DNA of God doing spectacular things there.

00:36:13.540 And so we know though, that what happens in California gets exported to the whole world.

00:36:18.020 Whether that's the kingdom of darkness or the kingdom of light, it's going to get exported.

00:36:22.220 So what we decided to do is in 2020, there's this guy by the name of Gavin Newsom, who is

00:36:30.060 the governor of California and he tries shutting the church down, which will never happen.

00:36:34.620 But in that moment, I remember looking on the TV screen and if we go back to 2020 for a

00:36:40.320 second, cause we like to easily forget, it was crazy, but especially in California.

00:36:45.200 And so in that moment, I remember I met a friend of mine by the name of Joel and we're

00:36:49.140 just having, we're just becoming friends.

00:36:50.480 He leads worship, he sings, and we're like, we got to do something in California.

00:36:55.240 Something has to be done.

00:36:56.120 We can't, we know the answer is not just to sit in our house, watch a TV screen.

00:37:00.260 Like we have to do something.

00:37:01.540 We show up at Huntington beach in August of 2021.

00:37:04.560 Huntington beach is an iconic beach in SoCal, thousands of people there.

00:37:07.580 We bring a full sound system.

00:37:09.480 We do live worship.

00:37:11.160 We preach the gospel and I'm not kidding you, salvation broke out.

00:37:15.720 I mean, people are walking on the boardwalk coming up to us saying, I heard what's happening

00:37:19.560 here, what do I do to get saved?

00:37:21.220 Like book of acts type of encounters, right?

00:37:24.280 We have people get delivered of drug addictions.

00:37:26.860 We baptize people in the ocean.

00:37:28.620 And so after that night happened, we weren't trying to create a movement or a ministry,

00:37:32.120 but we kind of looked at each other and we said, I think God is doing something.

00:37:36.280 And so we decided to name it.

00:37:37.920 California will be saved because we believe that whatever happens in California is going

00:37:42.560 to happen all throughout the nation and the nations of the earth.

00:37:44.500 And so if the narrative is flipped in California, what does that look like for the rest of the

00:37:48.720 nation?

00:37:48.800 Yeah.

00:37:49.060 I mean, that's true.

00:37:50.160 California exports its values, its policies to the rest of the country.

00:37:54.240 America then turns around and does the same thing to the rest of the world.

00:37:57.420 So I think that is really interesting to look at it from that perspective.

00:38:02.360 And, you know, we talk a lot about how dangerous and difficult it can be to raise your children

00:38:09.540 in a place that, you know, is diametrically opposed to your values.

00:38:14.260 And there is discernment that parents need to have there.

00:38:17.460 There are parents who say, you know what, I, we cannot live in a place like this.

00:38:21.780 But at the same time, we don't want all Christians to flee the darkness in the same way that I

00:38:28.300 talk about, okay, it's still important for Christian teachers if they can, if they're convicted

00:38:32.800 to do so, to stay in government schools, even if you take your children out.

00:38:36.940 And so there's a time and a place and people that God calls to particular places.

00:38:43.020 And we are to be light in darkness, not just like a little diffused nightlight, but one

00:38:48.000 that shines really, really brightly.

00:38:51.320 So I'm thankful.

00:38:52.380 I'm thankful that you're doing that.

00:38:53.500 And where can people learn more about it?

00:38:55.460 Yeah.

00:38:55.700 Our social media, if you just type in California will be saved, or you type in my name, Ross

00:39:00.440 Johnston on Facebook, Instagram, wherever you're at, you'll definitely be able to find

00:39:04.140 us and see us.

00:39:04.860 But one thing I want to share really quick, in the last three years, I've only had maybe

00:39:09.660 one or two people out of, I can't even give you a number of those who I've preached the

00:39:13.240 gospel to, only one or two have actually said no.

00:39:15.980 So I want to encourage us as the body and people who maybe are looking at California,

00:39:20.120 like it's crazy there.

00:39:21.480 It's like, if we would just actually share the gospel in love and truth, you'd be surprised

00:39:25.560 at what happens.

00:39:26.460 Yeah.

00:39:26.960 Yeah.

00:39:27.260 And you know what?

00:39:27.760 I'm sure that, I don't know, we haven't even worked it all out.

00:39:30.820 I'm sure that there are theological differences, maybe that you and I have your, I would probably

00:39:35.580 describe you as more charismatic than what my church would be, but we share in the ultimate

00:39:41.420 goal of seeing people change by Jesus Christ and knowing that nothing is too dark, nothing

00:39:47.280 is too far off, nothing is too depraved or too desperate that God cannot save it and

00:39:51.620 redeem it and turn it into something beautiful.

00:39:53.700 Absolutely.

00:39:54.060 Um, and so, and that we're, we're co-labors and I appreciate that so much.

00:39:59.380 Um, thank you.

00:40:00.060 So people can, people can find out online about California will be saved.

00:40:04.560 There's been some articles written about it.

00:40:05.960 Can they follow you?

00:40:06.700 Do you have social media and stuff?

00:40:08.280 Yeah.

00:40:08.360 You just type in my name, Ross Johnston, R-O-S-S-J-O-H-N-S-T-O.

00:40:12.180 You have to put two N's because somebody took my original name.

00:40:14.680 Rude.

00:40:14.920 So I know, come on.

00:40:16.000 That's so rude.

00:40:16.660 How can that happen?

00:40:17.500 Ross Johnston.

00:40:17.920 I would never think that anyone else would be named.

00:40:20.060 I never thought that either.

00:40:21.160 So yeah, if you just go on social media, Instagram's the main place you can find me.

00:40:24.040 But I love to connect, love to hear your story.

00:40:26.840 You have questions, whatever the case may be.

00:40:28.880 Um, we're all in this, like you said, for Jesus.

00:40:31.000 And when the church comes together, like we just talked about, man, there's such a beautiful

00:40:35.000 blessing that God has.

00:40:36.200 Yeah.

00:40:36.400 Thank you so much.

00:40:37.600 Thank you, Ali.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 09, 2023

Ep 886 ｜ Donor-Conceived, Lesbian-Raised & Born Again ｜ Guest： Ross Johnston

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