Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 890 ｜ The Abortion Industry's Racist Roots ｜ Guests： Ryan & Bethany Bomberger

00:00:00.540 The time to shape our worldview using the Bible is now.

00:00:05.120 It is never too early.

00:00:06.520 It is never too late to ensure that what we believe about how the world works and some

00:00:12.400 of the most controversial issues of our day, like gender and abortion, are all based on

00:00:19.760 the Word of God.

00:00:21.020 And Ryan and Bethany Bomberger, the founders of the Radiance Foundation, have so many resources

00:00:26.520 to help individuals and to help parents equip themselves, equip their children with biblical

00:00:34.360 truths about these topics.

00:00:37.300 And so today we are going to hear a little bit about their story.

00:00:41.180 Ryan was conceived in rape.

00:00:43.400 His mother chose life.

00:00:44.580 He was then adopted.

00:00:46.600 Bethany has her own incredible story of choosing life and redemption that has led them down the

00:00:51.960 path to advocate for the most defenseless, namely children in and outside of the womb and ensuring

00:00:58.060 that all of us know what the Word of God says about these subjects, about our bodies, about

00:01:05.240 our identities, and about our purpose.

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00:01:21.960 Ryan, Bethany, thank you guys both so much for joining.

00:01:32.040 Before we get started, could one of you tell me a little bit about who you are and what

00:01:36.540 you do?

00:01:38.200 Awesome.

00:01:38.640 Well, we're the Radiance Foundation.

00:01:40.480 Together we co-founded the Radiance Foundation.

00:01:43.120 And our heart, well, our motto is pretty simple.

00:01:46.000 Illuminate, educate, motivate.

00:01:47.300 So our heart is to illuminate that every life has intrinsic value, irrevocable purpose.

00:01:54.920 And so we have the joy of educating about a myriad of culture-shifting issues.

00:02:00.960 We talk about, of course, abortion and adoption, fatherlessness, poverty, race.

00:02:05.020 And our prayer is, as the Lord takes us all these different places to speak in different

00:02:11.040 venues, our prayer is that we would motivate people to understand that their life has purpose

00:02:15.240 and that they were created to speak into what's going on in the culture, going on in the culture.

00:02:20.440 And we want them to articulate really a reasoned worldview.

00:02:24.400 Right.

00:02:24.520 Yes.

00:02:24.820 So we're an educational, factivist, faith-based organization.

00:02:29.420 Right.

00:02:30.340 And really, the reason for the Radiance Foundation goes way back, way back before you guys started

00:02:38.240 it.

00:02:38.560 I'm sure even before you guys got married.

00:02:41.180 I want to hear a little bit about your story, Ryan, and why you are so passionate about adoption

00:02:48.060 and against abortion and about these worldview issues that you guys are working so hard to

00:02:54.320 educate people on.

00:02:56.100 Right.

00:02:56.920 Well, my story is that story that a lot of people have a hard time embracing.

00:03:01.060 In fact, I remember being told to my face in a debate at Harvard that basically I should

00:03:06.140 have been aborted.

00:03:06.720 This is the, this is kind of the essence of the abortion debate because inevitably gets to

00:03:12.220 that question, well, what about rape?

00:03:14.120 And I am that fringe case.

00:03:15.600 I'm the 1% that's used 100% of the time to justify abortion.

00:03:19.400 And I thank God for a courageous birth mom who not only gave me the gift of life, but

00:03:23.820 gave me the gift of adoption.

00:03:25.340 So I grew up in your typical American family, Allie, of 15.

00:03:29.160 I have 12 siblings, six brothers, six sisters, 10 of us were adopted.

00:03:33.640 And we're just like all these beautiful, different hues, all kinds of different backgrounds,

00:03:38.360 loved like crazy by my parents, Henry and Andrea Bomberger, who didn't focus on how we

00:03:43.180 came to be, but loved us who loved us into who we were meant to be.

00:03:48.020 And so that's part of the DNA of our organization.

00:03:51.520 I'm happily married to my best friend, love of my life, Bethany Bomberger.

00:03:54.540 And we have four kiddos, two of whom were also adopted.

00:03:57.300 So adoption is just a huge part of our story.

00:04:00.980 But it's not just my own story.

00:04:02.580 It's Bethany's story too.

00:04:04.620 How the name of the organization Radiance even came about.

00:04:07.560 Well, very briefly, when I was in my 20s, you know, I had grown up in the church, just

00:04:13.760 to give you a little bit of background.

00:04:14.780 I'd grown up in the church.

00:04:15.900 I had been a teacher for over a decade.

00:04:18.680 I actually was almost two decades.

00:04:20.720 I know it's hard to believe I was that old 18 years ago.

00:04:24.280 But anyway, I digress.

00:04:26.240 I had been working and I just got to this place in my personal life where I had really

00:04:33.120 sort of stepped away from my faith for a little bit.

00:04:35.780 And the disappointments of life had really hit me hard.

00:04:38.440 I was in a relationship with somebody who was really abusive and didn't see myself there

00:04:44.680 long term.

00:04:45.460 But when you're in that state of mind, you just find that the days and the months go by.

00:04:49.560 And I found myself pregnant and really faced with a situation.

00:04:54.060 And I went by myself and I think it's I always think it's special to just mention that it

00:04:58.760 was a February 14th back in 2004.

00:05:02.920 It was a Saturday morning and I went for an ultrasound and the room was really sort of

00:05:09.060 dark and empty and cold and nobody was really there because it was early Saturday morning.

00:05:13.320 And I saw an ultrasound of my daughter and she was just I mean, it was like a little beating.

00:05:20.880 Her heart was just like a little beating piece of rice.

00:05:24.500 And I just had a real tangible sense of the presence of God in that moment.

00:05:30.300 And I just felt him wrap his heart around my heart and her heart.

00:05:33.400 And that night I went back to my my house and I opened up an old journal like, wow, I need it.

00:05:38.780 I need to live differently.

00:05:40.960 And in the in the margin of this journal was Psalm 34 or five, which says, I sought the Lord.

00:05:48.200 He delivered me from all my fears.

00:05:50.440 Those that look to him will be radiant and their faces will never be covered with shame.

00:05:55.760 So our daughter radiance, because before she was even two, we moved into looking for Ryan to adopt her.

00:06:02.740 But radiance just for me is symbolic of just what happens when true identity comes upon us and we understand who we were created to be.

00:06:14.280 And it replaces shame.

00:06:16.180 It replaces guilt.

00:06:17.300 It replaces confusion.

00:06:18.520 So when our little radiance was just about five years old and we started the radiance foundation, we had all these names for the organization and we settled on one morning.

00:06:28.300 Ryan came down and he said, why don't we call it the radiance foundation?

00:06:30.740 Because no matter what issue we're going to address, at the end of the day, it's going to replace guilt and shame and all of the heartache that goes with other options.

00:06:40.420 And tell me how you guys met.

00:06:43.820 It was actually at a planning meeting for a pregnancy center banquet.

00:06:47.160 I was the lead singer.

00:06:49.300 So I was in I was in grad school and I was part of a it was a concert committee.

00:06:55.880 And we were just planning events that would allow the youth to be involved in things that were meaningful.

00:07:02.020 And at that time, although Ryan won't say it, he was the lead singer of a group called Surreal.

00:07:06.900 And they, you know, thankfully, C.C.

00:07:09.720 Wynans and right.

00:07:10.980 Toby Mac.

00:07:11.540 That was like way back when.

00:07:13.040 Way back when.

00:07:13.880 And, you know, everybody thought they were going to get signed.

00:07:17.020 I'm glad they didn't because we probably wouldn't have ended up together.

00:07:19.740 But it's pretty amazing to think that our first interactions were putting together a benefit concert for a crisis pregnancy center down in Hampton Roads, Virginia.

00:07:29.460 And so we fell in love at first sight.

00:07:31.580 But the longer story, which we don't have time to tell, took seven years.

00:07:34.840 So we fell in love at first sight.

00:07:35.920 But it took about six years to get back to.

00:07:38.600 I went one direction.

00:07:39.400 He went the other direction.

00:07:40.720 And, you know, when I came back to the Lord and he worked through some things he had to work through.

00:07:44.640 And here I have, you know, Ray Ray, we call my daughter Ray Ray.

00:07:48.780 The Lord brought us back together and we came back together stronger than we ever could have been with a different goal in life.

00:07:56.300 And we were married by the time Ray Ray, right before her second birthday.

00:08:00.840 And so Ryan's really the only daddy she's ever known.

00:08:03.520 And like he mentioned, we have two biological kiddos and then adopted our youngest as well.

00:08:08.680 So and and Bethany, I know you kind of just mentioned your journey with the Lord.

00:08:13.760 Were you a Christian at the time that you found out that you were pregnant with your daughter?

00:08:20.400 Yes, I grew up in the church.

00:08:22.840 I made a commitment to the Lord really as a young kid and just went through lots of, you know, I don't know.

00:08:28.960 There's lots of bumps along the road.

00:08:31.520 And somewhere along the way, we think just because we're a Christian, things are going to be easy.

00:08:36.180 And so I look back and I really see that some of those difficulties and heartaches.

00:08:41.700 I really took out my feelings on the Lord and yet he was so gracious and brought me back to himself.

00:08:50.080 And as we champion this, you know, this these life issues and the Lord brings us in connection with so many people, I really have nothing but empathy and a big heart.

00:09:01.960 For those that are walking through really difficult situations and find themselves in a place of fear.

00:09:09.900 And I understand why there's such a motivation for women to think that abortion will be an uplift out of that. 0.64

00:09:19.740 But of course, our voice is to say, let's step out of the temporal for a moment and let's eliminate the fear.

00:09:26.280 And let's look at the big picture.

00:09:28.640 And now my daughter is 18, headed to college.

00:09:31.300 She spoke at her college, her high school graduation.

00:09:35.820 And when I think of the world without her, it's almost too much to bear.

00:09:43.580 Right.

00:09:43.740 And so we love her like crazy.

00:09:45.800 We do.

00:09:46.560 But my heart, you know, our hearts are tied to especially these women that are going through a difficult season.

00:09:54.260 And so everything that we talk about, because we speak hard truths, but our heart is to speak it in love.

00:10:01.000 And because we love people, we speak truth.

00:10:04.040 And there's really no issue, controversial, quote unquote, issue that you guys don't touch.

00:10:22.260 In 2016, you guys write books.

00:10:25.060 That's part of the education piece of the Radiance Foundation.

00:10:28.640 Ryan, you wrote a book, Not Equal, Civil Rights Gone Wrong.

00:10:33.080 And so I can already tell that there was probably, I mean, a very good reception, I'm sure, but a little bit of a controversial reception or maybe a confused reception from some people who don't understand how civil rights could have ever gone wrong and what that even means, especially over the past few years after the summer of 2020.

00:10:57.780 I mean, this is kind of a big thing to say.

00:11:00.180 So can you talk about that a little bit?

00:11:03.080 Sure.

00:11:03.540 That was probably one of the most surreal experiences in my life, actually leading up to the creation of the book, Not Equal, Civil Rights Gone Wrong.

00:11:10.000 Actually, it came out on Juneteenth, by the way.

00:11:12.180 That's actually the same day that I was adopted.

00:11:15.940 So that date has a lot of meaning to me.

00:11:18.700 But the book was a result of being sued by the NAACP.

00:11:22.860 So we had launched a billboard campaign in the San Francisco Bay Area, you know, really conservative area there.

00:11:28.400 And we played 60 billboards that said Black and Beautiful, TooManyAborted.com, dealing with the hugely disproportionate impact of abortion in the black community, where abortion rates are sometimes up to five times higher.

00:11:37.680 So we were discussing, you know, the history of eugenics, the history of the racism and elitism of eugenics and of the unaltered DNA of Planned Parenthood.

00:11:47.240 We were just bashed.

00:11:48.560 I mean, we were denounced by the ACLU, which felt good. 0.92

00:11:51.640 We were denounced by Planned Parenthood.

00:11:53.140 We were denounced by pro-abortion politicians.

00:11:55.380 But then we were denounced by a group that I grew up revering, NAACP. 0.97

00:12:00.080 They called our campaign horribly racist and that it gave the false impression that Planned Parenthood kills black babies. 0.62

00:12:05.180 That was the first moment when I realized civil rights had gone wrong. 0.68

00:12:08.700 And so they threatened to sue us because I wrote an article, being the effectiveness that I am, wrote an article about it.

00:12:14.240 And so I called the article the National Association for the Abortion of Colored People.

00:12:19.020 Yeah.

00:12:19.300 And they sued us.

00:12:21.020 Two years in federal court, the short story there, represented by Alliance Defending Freedom.

00:12:25.300 Never thought it would even go to court because, hello, brown guy exercising, you know, civil rights, free speech.

00:12:31.180 Yeah.

00:12:31.560 Never thought it would go that far.

00:12:33.040 But it did.

00:12:33.560 We actually had to win on appeal.

00:12:36.040 But that's what led to the creation of the book.

00:12:37.880 And still to this day, with the discussion about civil rights groups and how many of them have veered so far off the path.

00:12:45.800 I mean, they say on one hand, black lives matter, but then they are standing in solidarity with the leading killer of black lives. 1.00

00:12:52.240 And so we've been calling that out for years.

00:12:54.620 We've been extolling the truth that black lives matter, that every single life created in the image of God, which is all of us, matters before the empty and fraudulent hashtag.

00:13:04.600 But, yeah, there have been many controversies.

00:13:06.720 But any time you come against the civil rights industry, you're going to face controversy.

00:13:11.680 You know, isn't that so interesting that the people who say that they care about the marginalized, care about those on the outskirts of society, the weakest, the voiceless, the vulnerable, the immigrant, the person of color, the poor.

00:13:25.480 I mean, why is it that the one category of people, the most vulnerable category of people, the most voiceless, the most defenseless, that's always left out of the conversation and not even just left out of the conversation when it comes to civil rights and equality and dignity and all of these words and justice, but is actually explicitly dehumanized.

00:13:50.480 I mean, for people who say that they care about so-called social justice and championing the cause of the marginalized, it's just strange how this one extremely marginalized type of person is always just treated like trash.

00:14:09.320 It's very strange.

00:14:10.300 It is.

00:14:12.460 And the civil rights industry has no excuse for it. 0.76

00:14:16.020 I mean, there's no one more marginalized, no one more vulnerable, no one more, you know, indefensible or, you know, no one more defenseless.

00:14:24.320 That's what I meant.

00:14:25.640 Their argument is indefensible.

00:14:27.280 Yeah.

00:14:27.480 No one more defenseless than the unborn.

00:14:30.220 And yet and it comes to a whole personhood issue.

00:14:32.020 And in fact, I remember an argument or a discussion, I should say, not an argument, but a discussion I had with NPR hosts who was saying, well, the unborn, that's not human.

00:14:40.820 I'm like, well, what is it?

00:14:42.160 Right.

00:14:42.400 I said, I understand the argument about personhood.

00:14:44.460 And this was a this was an African-American host.

00:14:46.840 And I said, I find it so strange that you are saying that another group of people is not that they're not humans and they're not persons.

00:14:54.260 I said, every time we use that argument, it never goes well in history.

00:14:57.680 So that's the bizarre thing.

00:14:59.260 And we look at human history anytime any group of individuals, of human beings is dehumanized that way.

00:15:04.860 It always ends a discrimination and death.

00:15:07.660 And that's what's happening here.

00:15:09.160 About a million a year pre the overturning of Roe.

00:15:12.720 So we know that the numbers are going down, but it's still going to be way too high.

00:15:15.460 I mean, one is too many.

00:15:16.540 How about that?

00:15:17.180 Right.

00:15:17.400 And I just think that people are so motivated by profit margins.

00:15:21.240 And it's amazing how truly the love of money allows you to be veiled to the truth.

00:15:26.820 And so we go, how did this happen?

00:15:29.580 And it's like, hey, if you give yourself over to lies, it will lead to delusion and greed.

00:15:35.420 We've seen this over and over again.

00:15:37.220 All of the undercover tapes that came out and, you know, the abortionist who was talking about, you know, wanting her Lamborghini.

00:15:43.560 So she's willing to sell baby parts. 1.00

00:15:45.480 It's just amazing that once you give yourself over to the love of especially money, you very simple truths become muddied.

00:15:55.080 Right. And going back to the NAACP, Planned Parenthood was an annual co-sponsor of their annual convention.

00:16:01.880 So money does speak a lot. 0.96

00:16:03.480 And that explains a lot why they stand in solidarity with the leading killer of black lives. 1.00

00:16:08.360 It's so interesting, too, because especially in 2020, we were told that, like, if we had to look at the foundations of everything and if the foundations of something were racist, then we just had to get rid of it altogether.

00:16:31.340 Going so far as to say basically the United States is illegitimate because it was founded by slave owners. 0.95

00:16:37.340 The whole 1619 project is based on this idea that not just America was founded with slaves, but that America was founded on slaves.

00:16:46.060 And therefore, the entire I mean, that's also what critical race theory purports, that the entire structure of the United States is systemically endemically racist.

00:16:54.860 And there's nothing that we can do except for tear it all down.

00:16:58.040 And yet when you say, OK, well, let's look at the history of Planned Parenthood.

00:17:01.760 Let's look at the history of Margaret Sanger.

00:17:04.260 Let's look at how specifically anti-black eugenics was tied into the very foundation, to the very fabric of Planned Parenthood.

00:17:13.300 Like, should we get rid of that because of its racist foundations?

00:17:16.080 All of a sudden, there's an outpouring of grace and mercy and understanding.

00:17:18.760 Right. No, I mean, it's interesting, too, because you hear people make the argument, well, Planned Parenthood is not the same today as it was during Margaret Sanger's days.

00:17:25.860 And I'm like, actually, it wasn't as evil.

00:17:28.100 It wasn't quite as evil.

00:17:29.780 It's worse now because they're actually killing millions of human beings.

00:17:33.380 So, yeah, Planned Parenthood gets a pass.

00:17:34.820 I mean, even their own employees, 300 employees, current and former employees, posted a manifesto about two years ago online saying that Planned Parenthood has a history steeped in white supremacy.

00:17:44.840 And they admitted that that Margaret Sanger was a white supremacist.

00:17:47.460 My issue is that white supremacy isn't the issue.

00:17:50.340 Sin supremacy is. 0.91

00:17:51.600 And that comes in any color.

00:17:53.420 You know, racism can enter any heart that invites it in.

00:17:56.340 And yet Planned Parenthood gets a pass on this.

00:17:58.680 Their DNA is unaltered.

00:18:00.220 They're still it's not just racism.

00:18:01.580 The fact that they're killing innocent human beings, of course, now to add on to that there, if they don't mutilate children within the womb, they want to mutilate them outside of the womb with all this gender radicalism and the denial of who we are as male and female. 0.65

00:18:15.600 So Planned Parenthood gets a pass on all kinds of all kinds of levels.

00:18:19.960 They're profiting from it.

00:18:21.120 Yeah.

00:18:21.360 When we started the Radiance Foundation, it really was birthed out of here we are in our late 20s, early 30s.

00:18:29.460 And we're reading Margaret Sanger's works and we're realizing, OK, well, we've always been, you know, against abortion, anti-abortion.

00:18:37.220 We've always been pro-life, but we began seeing goes far back the Rockefellers, the Ford, the amount of money, the amount of just things that are so knit together behind the scenes that when you talk about what you just shared, like, hey, yeah, we're looking to rid all these systems of this racist ties.

00:19:00.560 And yet the most racist, like systemically racist industry is untouched.

00:19:06.740 There's more to the story because there's these very, very, very deep roots.

00:19:12.360 And really, that's partially, I mean, our own stories, but together with understanding how many of us who are pro-life don't understand really the depths of what's going on.

00:19:21.980 And what we're seeing now is really by design.

00:19:25.560 And this is what has been put into place.

00:19:28.240 There's an agenda that's pushing forward and what we're just seeing is the result of that.

00:19:33.260 And yet, I hate to say that we were naive.

00:19:36.260 We didn't know these things that were truths.

00:19:39.240 The things that are there to be read aren't, you know, buried.

00:19:44.040 We weren't like reading Wikipedia or something that somebody flippantly wrote.

00:19:47.900 When you just go back and you read the different accounts of where these monies came from, where they went to, we were just like, you know what?

00:19:55.540 People need to know the truth because truth sets people free and it releases them from being those clutches of the lies.

00:20:03.360 And you nailed it, Bethany, earlier when you said that, you know, what Jesus said, that the love of money or that what Scripture says, what the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil.

00:20:15.820 That doesn't mean that money itself is evil.

00:20:18.180 Money is money.

00:20:19.280 It's important for different functions, but the love of money is the root of all kinds of evil so that something like Planned Parenthood is untouched and untouchable.

00:20:32.780 And it's funny because the very people that defend it would also, in many cases, not all, many cases, they would deem themselves socialists and collectivists and maybe so far as saying that they're communists, saying that capitalism and making money and profit, that they're all so bad and big corporations are all so evil and terrible.

00:20:51.900 Which, yes, there are many big corporations, but it's interesting, the duplicity there, all to defend what is a barbarous act of killing another human being.

00:21:03.880 The mental gymnastics, the moral gymnastics that otherwise, in a lot of cases, otherwise pretty logical people go through to defend such a horrific act.

00:21:17.620 I really think like the only real answer for all of it is just that like God has blinded the minds, the eyes of unbelievers. 0.99

00:21:27.360 And all of us were in that place at one point that we were deceived and we were depraved and we were without truth and without light.

00:21:33.700 But really, like it's a spiritual heart issue at the end of the day, because as much as you can show someone this is what abortion is, this is what the industry is, there are still some people who just won't let go.

00:21:46.380 It's really not even a matter of truth to them.

00:21:48.480 It's a matter of power, money, deceit, whatever it is.

00:21:52.740 And that's difficult.

00:21:54.000 That's a difficult stronghold that really only God can break through.

00:21:58.140 Absolutely.

00:21:59.200 And I think when we finally began to realize that, it changed our strategy.

00:22:04.100 We realized that without the Holy Spirit, we're just a voice.

00:22:07.680 There's got to be something deeper that's calling to the hearts of those that are listening.

00:22:12.960 And yet we need to couple that belief that there are those that maybe truly do want the truth.

00:22:19.220 And when that veil falls or when they're able to see clearly, then we have to be able to present truth to them.

00:22:28.180 We have to know what we believe.

00:22:30.000 So when those opportunities come up, we can easily just articulate what truth truly is.

00:22:37.520 Right.

00:22:37.700 And it's not an easy thing to communicate.

00:22:39.780 I mean, one of the things that drives us, 1 Corinthians 13, 6, is love does not delight in evil, but it rejoices in the truth.

00:22:45.720 Because we have to distinguish between loving every human being and loving every human doing.

00:22:50.700 We're called by Scripture, of course, to love every human being, but we're not called to love every human doing.

00:22:56.780 And as a creative, partnering with my best friend here where we try to figure out how can we create messaging that resonates with people, that's something that we have to keep in mind because it's really easy to demonize other people.

00:23:08.740 It's really easy to do the name calling and just – and maybe some people feel, well, they deserve that.

00:23:13.520 No, it's really challenging to figure out how can I still uphold their humanity and the fact that they're fearfully and wonderfully made as well and yet disagree strongly, vehemently disagree with their ideological and moral position.

00:23:28.460 And so that's what leads us.

00:23:29.660 And you mentioned earlier just the deception.

00:23:31.480 Ephesians 4.14 talks about how we should not be like children blown to and fro every wind of new teaching, that we cannot be tricked by lies so clever they sound like the truth.

00:23:41.760 Oh, my gosh, that's exactly what's happening in our culture today and among churches.

00:23:46.120 How many churches have bowed down at the altar of DEI, bowed down at the altar of gender radicalism, bowed down at the altar of pro-abortion fake feminism?

00:23:55.420 And so our passion is really to try to break through some of that cultural noise.

00:23:59.560 And it's definitely helpful and refining to pray for the people that are writing to us and telling us how much they hate us and how much they want us and our kids to die.

00:24:10.520 Because I just love, Ali, that you brought up there's just those two components.

00:24:16.500 There's that component that people are veiled to the truth.

00:24:20.780 And so there's nobody but their creator that's going to make that veil fall.

00:24:25.680 And then once that happens, we need to be prepared.

00:24:29.240 And that's why we're so glad that you do what you do because you're just speaking into all of these issues and helping people to understand what they believe.

00:24:38.020 Because I think that our messages, I mean, folks begin to think they're crazy.

00:24:43.060 You know, they think they're crazy because what is reasonable, what's scientifically proven, they're saying, no, no, no, we're challenging that.

00:24:49.880 That's not really the truth.

00:24:51.380 And then there are folks that speak up and all of a sudden they go, yeah, that resonates with my soul.

00:24:56.360 Right.

00:24:56.760 And I need to speak these words.

00:24:59.560 Right, right.

00:25:00.500 Right.

00:25:00.620 Right.

00:25:00.840 Right.

00:25:01.140 Right.

00:25:01.800 Right.

00:25:01.840 Right.

00:25:02.440 Right.

00:25:08.020 Let's talk about the gender issue.

00:25:15.020 This is another controversial issue, so we are told.

00:25:19.820 But it's also, it's one of those things a lot of people don't realize the background of gender ideology. 1.00

00:25:26.380 And, I mean, we could spend two hours talking about the roots of queer theory and where all of this comes from philosophically and ideologically.

00:25:36.460 It's really, really ugly and gross and perverse, depraved, all of that.

00:25:41.560 But right now, this is a money-making industry.

00:25:44.860 This is creating lifelong slaves to the medical industrial complex, rendering kids sterile, rendering kids dependent upon the medical system after they go through puberty blockers, after they get these surgeries, after they become infertile and they have to go through the reproductive technologies.

00:26:03.180 I mean, there is so much money being made by these industries, again, in the name of butchering kids.

00:26:11.680 It's really not all that different.

00:26:13.920 And you alluded to that earlier, Ryan.

00:26:15.980 And so, in a very positive way, you guys are trying to combat that lie that you can become the opposite sex.

00:26:24.260 You wrote books called He is He and She is She.

00:26:26.620 So, tell us a little bit more about that, why you decided to speak up about this and kind of the approach that you're taking to such a tough subject.

00:26:34.520 Well, Ryan shared that he was in the ad agency world for, you know, that's his field and very creative mind.

00:26:44.260 And I was a teacher for years and in the schools and, you know, taught private schools in Connecticut, public schools in Virginia, and middle school in inner city Philadelphia.

00:26:55.800 And all my years of teaching, I just have learned how powerful literature is, what a tool it is to get across very difficult issues very simply if they're done well.

00:27:12.000 Unfortunately, that's why we're seeing such a push to put so many different books in our schools because other people know that too,

00:27:20.380 especially those that are pushing for the distraction of our children and to teach them lies.

00:27:26.760 But in this way, I had written Pro-Life Kids years ago, a number of years ago, to really equip parents to articulate, really take the fear out of what happens when, how do I talk about what it means to be pro-life?

00:27:40.420 So, my heart was, let's take the fear and let's replace that with the confidence that comes when you have the tools to do it.

00:27:46.400 And as we have watched what has gone on with gender radicalism and what is happening with our children at younger and younger ages,

00:27:54.360 it's amazing how we realized we need to frame this conversation for our young children.

00:28:00.760 It would be bizarre even if we had written this book five years ago.

00:28:04.640 It would not have gotten as much buzz now because people would have been like, yes, she is she. 1.00

00:28:09.860 What's wrong with you?

00:28:10.820 She is not he. 0.72

00:28:12.020 She is not we.

00:28:13.020 She is she.

00:28:13.580 But now we're realizing that we must engage and we must help parents have the resources and the words and the tools to begin to teach their children objective truth.

00:28:27.260 Because what we're seeing is a war on objective truth and this war to really get at our children's souls and make them believe things that aren't true.

00:28:36.720 So, that they will begin to buy into all of the things that you were talking about.

00:28:44.320 Yeah.

00:28:44.800 And we live in Loudoun County, Allie.

00:28:46.920 I don't know if you've ever heard of Loudoun County, Virginia.

00:28:48.640 I've heard of it.

00:28:49.980 Unfortunately, I don't think I would have ever heard of it if the craziness that goes on there hadn't gone on there and then been publicized.

00:28:57.580 But y'all are kind of in the thick of the battle.

00:28:59.880 And just so people know, that's not around Portland.

00:29:03.460 It's not around San Francisco.

00:29:04.820 That is in Virginia.

00:29:07.180 It used to be a conservative area.

00:29:09.080 But, you know, we've been involved in some of the school board meetings here.

00:29:12.040 And Policy 8040, for instance, one of the things that inspired us to write She is She, Policy 8040 that basically says it can't be any gender.

00:29:18.820 Parents can't know because, you know, parents are the enemy, which is, hello, that is Marxism.

00:29:23.900 You separate the child from the family.

00:29:25.760 And we saw these steps being taken and the confusion that comes upon these young children and with total strangers because total strangers apparently have license to speak into kids' lives.

00:29:38.120 But a parent who is there before, during, and after all the aftermath has no right at all.

00:29:44.820 And so this moved our hearts as parents of four children, two girls, two boys.

00:29:48.540 And so how could we not do something?

00:29:52.400 And so we partnered with our good friend, Ed Kaler, who's a phenomena illustrator.

00:29:56.560 Yes.

00:29:56.840 And just, you know, laid this out in a simple way.

00:29:59.760 And we have two sections of the book.

00:30:00.820 One of the sections says, what does the Bible say?

00:30:03.040 Which is a good reminder.

00:30:03.600 Well, after you read the book.

00:30:04.620 After you read the book.

00:30:05.160 There's two resource pages.

00:30:06.500 So it's written in rhyme and it's adorable.

00:30:08.800 And Eric Metaxas loved it.

00:30:10.060 And that moved our hearts.

00:30:11.040 I'm like, thank you.

00:30:11.880 But then it comes to the section toward the end where it just says, what does the Bible say?

00:30:15.560 What does science say?

00:30:16.520 Because the two agree.

00:30:18.460 And as Christians, we need to understand, okay, what's the biblical perspective?

00:30:21.680 And then science is always reinforcing that.

00:30:23.760 And we want, and you talk about framing it, not just for kids, but we're also framing it

00:30:28.180 for adults.

00:30:28.980 And on the website, sheisshe.com, it has resources that are not age appropriate for little children,

00:30:34.000 but it's for teens and adults.

00:30:35.680 And there are resources for them to be able to dig deeper into this.

00:30:39.100 We have got to frame this.

00:30:40.720 We've got to figure and think through this because we have an entire generation that's

00:30:46.020 being mutilated in the name of pride, in the name of inclusion, in the name of whatever

00:30:52.960 they're adding to it.

00:30:54.160 And it's devastating to see this happening right in front of our eyes.

00:30:57.300 Yes.

00:30:57.600 It's so devastating.

00:30:58.740 And as parents, we owe our kids clarity.

00:31:01.380 You mentioned that parents are being seen as the enemy now.

00:31:05.180 We've certainly seen that in the school system.

00:31:06.940 We even see that from the government saying things like, they're not your kids.

00:31:11.660 They're all of our kids.

00:31:13.380 Well, if they're everyone's kids, then they're really no one's kids.

00:31:15.760 It's because the community doesn't have my neighbor.

00:31:18.680 As much as I might like my neighbors and love my friends, they don't have the same vested

00:31:22.480 interest in my child as I do because God didn't create them to.

00:31:26.280 They have more of an interest in their own children.

00:31:28.700 And that's how God created us.

00:31:30.100 So yes, God did give us children to be stewards of them, to be protectors of them.

00:31:35.860 And one of the ways that we are supposed to raise them up, we see this all the way back

00:31:39.220 in Deuteronomy 6, is that we are supposed to show them the ways of the Lord.

00:31:43.020 It's supposed to be written everywhere.

00:31:45.180 It's supposed to be pervasive in our lives.

00:31:46.940 And I don't think we ever thought, at least when I was growing up and when you guys were

00:31:50.720 growing up too, that this was something that we had to write books about or that you explicitly

00:31:55.640 had to really tell children because it was just so obvious.

00:32:01.000 But now we have even a greater responsibility as Christian parents to offer our kids clarity.

00:32:07.440 Now, I think, and you can tell me what you guys think about this.

00:32:10.840 My kids are very young, so they don't need to know about the other side of the issue.

00:32:17.160 They don't need to know that there are some people who are gender confused.

00:32:20.100 There are some people who think they can switch genders.

00:32:22.020 There are some people who think that you can change into a boy.

00:32:24.460 They're not at that age.

00:32:25.440 They're already observing the differences in biology, the differences between mommy and

00:32:29.860 daddy, boys and girls, and Grammy and papa and all this stuff.

00:32:34.140 My job right now, our job is to affirm those things and to say, yes, that is right.

00:32:40.300 Daddy is a man.

00:32:41.180 Mommy is a woman. 0.99

00:32:43.240 And this is good.

00:32:44.080 This is how God created families.

00:32:45.700 This is how God created gender. 1.00

00:32:47.220 You're a girl.

00:32:48.120 You're a boy.

00:32:48.720 These are great things.

00:32:50.000 And you'll always be.

00:32:51.020 One day, you'll be a man.

00:32:51.880 One day, you'll be a woman. 0.99

00:32:52.820 Because sometimes kids are confused about that.

00:32:54.380 Sometimes they think they'll grow up and be something else.

00:32:56.720 And it's not gender ideology.

00:32:57.780 It's just kids growing up.

00:32:59.040 And so there is, and that's what I like about y'all's book, it's affirming the good and

00:33:04.600 the beautiful and true.

00:33:06.360 And there is a time in kids' lives when we do have to explicitly say, you know what?

00:33:11.000 Here are some bad ideas that are out there that are not true.

00:33:14.340 They're not true scientifically.

00:33:15.480 They're not true biblically.

00:33:17.080 But there's also a period of time where we just have to affirm the good, the true, the

00:33:20.880 good, the true over and over again and lay that foundation.

00:33:24.420 The apologetics and the nuances and the understanding the darkness out there, that comes with time.

00:33:31.700 But these books are really good foundational books for kids to know how God made us and that

00:33:36.780 God's creation of our bodies is really, really good and purposeful.

00:33:40.560 And I think you've totally hit the nail on the head.

00:33:43.460 Because sometimes as parents, we think we have to tell them everything about everything,

00:33:48.160 whether we're talking pro-life issues, whether we're talking the gender issues,

00:33:51.420 and yet age appropriately, we can equip them.

00:33:56.140 Everything you're just saying, it's exactly right.

00:33:59.160 Just by celebrating who God created them to be, guess what, parents?

00:34:03.620 You're laying a foundation that they are then, it is a standard by which they're going to weigh

00:34:09.740 everything else that's coming in.

00:34:12.480 And because that will give them natural pause when they see what's going on in the culture,

00:34:18.560 we are actually creating them to believe in, from a cellular level, believe these truths.

00:34:28.200 And so it's like, yeah, let's take away this fear that thinks that like, okay, wait,

00:34:32.940 I have to pull out the graphs and the charts and I need to show them these videos.

00:34:36.920 And, you know, I've talked to parents who are like, well, I take them to pride parades

00:34:40.060 because I feel like they should know.

00:34:41.660 And I was like, your son is eight.

00:34:43.320 Your son just needs to know that he was made intentionally and he is so handsome and that

00:34:50.380 God has created him to do wonderful things.

00:34:53.680 That's laying a foundation that will actually stand the test of time.

00:34:58.380 Yes, definitely.

00:34:59.660 And this draws back to Planned Parenthood, too, by the way, who is now profiting from all of

00:35:03.480 this.

00:35:04.180 One of their education tools, even called education, tells parents or adults to teach kindergartners,

00:35:10.560 for instance, that your genitals don't determine whether you're a boy or a girl. 0.72

00:35:13.180 Oh, really?

00:35:13.840 I mean, so the anti-science that's being embraced, not just by Planned Parenthood, but by medical

00:35:17.920 associations, even when they use the phrase, you know, gender assigned at birth, our gender

00:35:22.480 isn't assigned at birth.

00:35:24.060 I mean, otherwise, how do people discover during ultrasound, you know, what these sexes? 0.99

00:35:28.460 Of course, we know long before birth, but they do this.

00:35:31.480 They change the language all the time and people buy into it. 1.00

00:35:35.120 And Christians too often then adopt the language. 0.55

00:35:37.440 And part of this, now this is not part of the book, this is part of the website with

00:35:41.600 the resources, but we really want to encourage people, don't be duped by all that because

00:35:46.460 it's not loving to actually reinforce a lie.

00:35:50.940 You know, people say, well, that's not inclusive and it's not tolerant.

00:35:53.740 Look, love lifts people out of their circumstances.

00:35:56.000 All this tolerance and inclusion, you know, keeps people where they are and pretends that there

00:35:59.940 are no circumstances.

00:36:01.020 And so our heart really is to shine a light on this, equip not only the young children

00:36:07.140 to have that foundation, but equip teens and adults to understand, oh my word, how do

00:36:12.280 I think through this?

00:36:13.180 Of course, this is, this is biblical.

00:36:15.380 This is scientific.

00:36:16.460 And to not be afraid to then lovingly reject the world's lies.

00:36:21.940 And that's not easy because you have so many people just capitulating and thinking that

00:36:25.760 it's compassion.

00:36:26.640 And our worldviews begin to be formed really by the age of two, by the age of nine to 13,

00:36:48.180 there were actually solidifying things that they have begun to internalize from those very

00:36:54.180 young ages.

00:36:54.920 You were talking about your young kiddos and they're going to begin to internalize the

00:37:00.580 beauty and the celebration like you share with them of, yes, mommy and daddy are different.

00:37:06.780 And really by the time it's time for them to refine their worldview at 13 to 18 in those

00:37:13.240 ages, you know, so many parents are like, now we're going to start talking about this.

00:37:19.200 But if we don't understand developmentally that we have to lay a foundation age appropriately,

00:37:27.360 it's something that we can do.

00:37:29.300 We are equipped to do it.

00:37:30.980 And then we're going to find that when they're 18, there will be a solid place to stand when

00:37:37.160 they are just being, you know, hit from every end of every, every turn, they'll see something

00:37:44.060 different.

00:37:44.500 Yes.

00:37:45.320 And I do just want to encourage if there are any parents listening who you have teenagers,

00:37:50.320 you have preteens, maybe you just became a Christian.

00:37:53.240 Maybe you just woke up to the fact that, oh my gosh, I should have been discipling my kids

00:37:57.220 and telling them these worldview issues.

00:37:59.860 Yes, of course, it may be more difficult, but I don't want those parents to think that it's

00:38:05.160 a lost cause or that now you don't have responsibility or you don't have authority to teach your kids

00:38:11.280 these things.

00:38:12.120 Look, God is totally sovereign.

00:38:13.800 He is very gracious and he can still equip you to have those very formative conversations,

00:38:18.580 even with your teenagers.

00:38:20.100 So for those who are, you feel like you're late to the game and discipling your kids, like

00:38:24.460 even the Radiance Foundation has, they've got equipment for you and resources for you.

00:38:30.400 It's never too late to lean into our God-given responsibility to disciple our kids, whether

00:38:37.260 your kids are seven months old or 17 years old, like it is still your responsibility.

00:38:42.820 You can still do it.

00:38:43.700 You still have the opportunity to plant those seeds in your child's mind.

00:38:48.060 So good.

00:38:48.900 He doesn't get tired of redeeming and changing and refining.

00:38:52.580 And if he could change our hearts at 30, you know, it's, it's, you're right.

00:38:57.740 That's so important to understand.

00:38:59.420 It's never too late and God never gets tired of changing hearts and minds.

00:39:04.320 Yes.

00:39:04.660 Well, thank you guys so much.

00:39:06.520 Tell us a little bit more information about how people can learn more about the Radiance

00:39:10.420 Foundation and learn more about your books, get your books and follow your writings, all

00:39:15.440 that good stuff.

00:39:16.880 Yep.

00:39:17.280 Well, you can find us at radiance.life.

00:39:19.380 Of course, we're on all the social media platforms.

00:39:21.640 Although slightly suppressed, they just keep suppressing us.

00:39:25.160 So Facebook, Instagram, radiance.life.

00:39:27.760 And you could go directly to she is she, um, she is she.com, which will also give you those

00:39:32.740 resources and take you to place to buy the books.

00:39:35.320 And, um, yeah, you could find our initiative pro-life kids on pro-life kids.com.

00:39:39.680 If you're looking for some tools in that direction, there's free downloadables and lots of things

00:39:44.280 there, but radiance.life is our main site.

00:39:47.040 Yeah.

00:39:47.320 Awesome.

00:39:47.760 And we have lots of stuff there, creative stuff that's fearless, factual and freeing.

00:39:51.060 And our heart is that it helps you, uh, shift culture around you.

00:39:55.860 Awesome.

00:39:56.380 Well, thank you guys so much, Ryan and Bethany.

00:39:58.660 I really appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

00:40:01.480 Oh, it was an honor.

00:40:02.500 Thanks for having us.

00:40:03.260 Thank you.

00:40:03.880 Ciao.

00:40:04.240 Joe.

00:40:04.740 Thank you.

00:40:04.920 warming up.

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 16, 2023

Ep 890 ｜ The Abortion Industry's Racist Roots ｜ Guests： Ryan & Bethany Bomberger

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