Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 891 ｜ Is Patriarchy Biblical？｜ Q&A

00:00:00.240 What is the difference between submitting to your husband as the Bible calls wives to do

00:00:06.100 and the patriarchy? Do I think that we're living in the end times? What does my day-to-day look

00:00:13.700 like? What's my favorite breakfast food? What kind of job would I have if I didn't have a podcast?

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00:00:30.000 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. All right. I'm going to answer some of your questions

00:00:43.180 as usual. Some of them are lighthearted, some of them food related today and others deeper,

00:00:50.840 more theological. I love the variety. It's really fun. So let's start with the lighthearted one just

00:00:56.400 to kick us off. Favorite breakfast food, favorite breakfast food. Ooh, well, I just had a quiche

00:01:02.400 this morning that my mother-in-law made and that is probably one of my favorite breakfast foods.

00:01:08.200 I don't make it myself because I don't trust that I'll be able to make it in the same way that she

00:01:12.260 does. But I love a quiche. I love brunchy type food, like the kind that you would get at it,

00:01:19.260 like a really good bridal shower. So quiche also, okay, this is not a breakfast food,

00:01:24.160 but I'm just talking about like brunch, you know, chicken salad, things like that. I love that type

00:01:28.780 of thing. I also, you know, I just love pancakes. I love bacon and eggs. Probably if I were to pick

00:01:36.760 my absolute favorite, probably a breakfast sandwich. Like we're talking bacon, fried eggs,

00:01:42.620 eggs, and maybe some cheese on some wheat bread, some buttered wheat bread. That sounds really good.

00:01:49.700 I don't like hot sauce or anything. Ew, just salt and pepper. Also, there's this at this restaurant

00:01:56.340 that we go to. I haven't had this in so long. There's a breakfast burger. I'm not above a breakfast

00:02:01.300 burger. So I think I'm more of like a hearty gal myself when it comes to breakfast food. This is not

00:02:07.960 what I eat on a daily basis, by the way, but I do love it. Also honey butter chicken biscuit. I

00:02:13.860 probably haven't had that since high school, but from Whataburger, so good. And of course your girl

00:02:18.980 loves Chick-fil-A. And so I'm more of a chicken biscuit gal than I am a chicken minis gal, but yes.

00:02:26.260 So all those things, I don't know. Can you tell I'm pregnant? They all sound good to me. Okay. Let's get

00:02:32.260 into something a little bit deeper here. Do you think that we are in the end times? Good question.

00:02:38.360 I get this question a lot. So it depends on your eschatological view. If you're post-millennialist,

00:02:43.360 then this question isn't really relevant to you. If you are a pre-millennialist, as I am,

00:02:51.680 I am a post-trib pre-millennialist. Okay. So I'm not going to take the time to explain all of that

00:02:58.920 right now. I'm just going to tell you I'm a post-tribulation pre-millennialist. So this means

00:03:04.100 this is going to shock some people. I don't believe in a rapture. I don't believe that Christians are 1.00

00:03:09.040 going to be raptured before the tribulation. I believe that we will, when there is a tribulation

00:03:14.100 for those of us who are here, that we will, while we are alive, endure the tribulation. And so if you

00:03:21.720 want to know the explanation for that, I have talked about, I think I did an eschatology episode

00:03:27.260 explaining my view, probably first maternity leave. So 2019, you can go back and listen to that.

00:03:35.260 I think you can just type in wherever you get your podcasts in times relatable, and it should come up.

00:03:41.040 I've also talked about post-millennialism though with Jeff Durbin. He's post-mill, I'm pre-mill.

00:03:46.240 And so someone like John MacArthur would be pre-mill, pre-trib. So that means he does believe

00:03:53.900 in a rapture. Obviously, I really respect his theological knowledge. Someone like John Piper

00:04:01.660 would be also what I am, which is, I also, I always have to think about like what it is,

00:04:07.500 pre-mill, post-trib. And then you've got someone like Votie Bauckham. These are all people that I

00:04:11.900 really, really respect theologically. And, you know, I think that this is like a secondary or

00:04:18.360 tertiary issue, obviously not a salvation issue. Votie Bauckham is an amillennialist. And then

00:04:25.100 post-mill would be someone like Jeff Durbin. So these are all amazing Christians. These are all

00:04:30.800 people I respect so much and have learned a lot from, but it does affect in a large part the rest

00:04:35.980 of your theology. So for example, and this may be the reason why I am pre-mill, post-trib, but the first

00:04:44.420 big study Bible that I got that God really used to just shape my faith and to draw me into studying

00:04:51.260 scripture was the ESV study Bible. And I did not realize that kind of the John Piper view of

00:04:59.300 eschatology would kind of shape and color the commentary there. But then once I got several

00:05:05.680 years later, like 10 years later, I got the John MacArthur study Bible just to see if I enjoyed it.

00:05:12.900 I realized that his eschatology was coloring the commentary. And so the ESV study Bible is what I

00:05:21.640 typically use, even though I appreciate John MacArthur's insights on theology as well.

00:05:28.700 But yes, so without even realizing it, I think that did kind of affect me. And I didn't even know

00:05:34.080 how to put necessarily a label on it until I read, or until I haven't read the whole thing,

00:05:39.440 but systematic theology by Wayne Grudem, this huge textbook. And that's what I would recommend

00:05:44.760 to you. You can also go to gotquestions.org. So I don't have to spend time explaining all of them.

00:05:49.680 There are so many intricacies. I'm, I don't have it in front of me right now. So I'm afraid if I tried

00:05:53.760 to break down every view of the end times that I would miss something, or you would feel like I

00:05:58.760 misinterpreted or misrepresented your view. So gotquestions.org, they can explain in a very

00:06:04.460 succinct way what all of these views are. But if you want a more thorough and honestly objective and

00:06:10.200 unbiased explanation of what each end time view is, then I would get Wayne Grudem's systematic

00:06:18.860 theology. And it's not only for that. I also think he just does a really good job of breaking down very

00:06:25.880 complex theological topics, the end times being one of those topics. So yep, that's, that's what I,

00:06:32.820 so that's what I believe about the end time. So that said, do I believe since I am pre mill,

00:06:38.400 like, do I believe that we are entering into a time of tribulation? I don't know. I can't say that

00:06:45.000 because here's one mistake that I think the pre mill people get into and even the post mill to some

00:06:49.740 extent, but definitely pre mill is constantly looking at news headlines to try to tell us if

00:06:56.280 we are in the end times. And there's some of that if you're looking at biblical prophecy and the things

00:07:02.520 going on in the world, but that's not really what we should be primarily looking at no matter where you

00:07:07.380 land when it comes to the end times, it really should be the Bible. And everyone who has these

00:07:14.700 views, they would all say that they base their view of the end times on the Bible, but that should be 0.89

00:07:20.860 our primary lens. That should be our go to when trying to understand if we are in the end times. That

00:07:27.940 said, the Bible also points us into worldly happenings to try to kind of give us an indicator of what the

00:07:33.980 end times will look like. And so for example, you've got second Timothy three, but understand this, that in the

00:07:40.360 last days, there will come times of difficulty for people will be lovers of self. There's a billion

00:07:45.900 dollar industry out there for self-love lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to 0.84

00:07:51.200 their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control,

00:07:56.060 brutal, not loving, good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than

00:08:02.480 lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power, avoid such people for among

00:08:09.100 them are those who creep into households and capture weak women burdened with sins and led 0.79

00:08:13.580 astray by various passions. I think that's talking specifically about Glennon Doyle, always learning

00:08:18.520 and never able to arrive at a knowledge of truth. Oh my gosh, how many women do you know who are 1.00

00:08:23.440 following Glennon Doyle and Brene Brown and Jen Hatmaker and all these psychologists and think that

00:08:28.640 they are trying to discover themselves and follow their heart and unleash their inner goddess and Rachel

00:08:33.940 Mahalos and all of this, who are always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of truth 1.00

00:08:40.000 because they've been preyed upon by a lover of self, a lover of pleasure rather than a lover

00:08:44.180 of God. Wow. Yes, that seems to describe our age. Yes, of course it does. And so you could say,

00:08:49.880 yes, we're in the end times. There are lots of other passages that people could point to,

00:08:53.560 many more complex prophetic passages that people could point to. But also why I think it's dangerous to

00:08:59.260 look at this passage and say, yes, we're in the end times is because I would say that this

00:09:03.080 characterizes many times throughout history, many countries like, and we can't even look at,

00:09:09.180 oh my gosh, we're going through persecution. We're going through such fiery trials that that indicates

00:09:14.040 that we are in the tribulation and we're about to be in the tribulation and that the, you know,

00:09:19.060 the birth pains are getting stronger and stronger. Like, okay, I see that here in America, but don't

00:09:24.820 you think that the Christians in the Middle East or the Christians in China or the Christians in

00:09:28.500 North Korea that they have been going through in time, like suffering and trials and tribulation

00:09:34.360 and birth pains for a very long time. And so I think that we have to be careful not to look

00:09:39.540 through our local lens or our American or Western lens to say, yes, we are entering into the end times.

00:09:46.560 Now I'm not saying that there aren't other, you know, geopolitical indicators there that maybe are

00:09:51.020 interesting to debate and discuss and, and to look at. I'm just saying, I don't think that we can look

00:09:55.720 through our personal political and American lens to say, yes, we are gearing up for the great

00:10:01.060 tribulation. Um, because Christians around the world have been dealing with apocalyptic type 0.99

00:10:07.040 suffering for a while. And the, I mean, you don't think that the Christians in Nero felt like this

00:10:12.500 has got to be the end times. I mean, even think about pagan grace in Rome where Christianity, 0.94

00:10:18.260 the world in which Christianity was birthed into absolutely lovers of self, lovers of money, 1.00

00:10:25.840 proud, arrogant, abusive, unappeasable, treacherous, reckless, loving pleasure, rather than loving God.

00:10:33.560 I mean, the epistles that Paul writes to the churches, you can see that that's kind, that's 0.87

00:10:37.900 the kind of world that they lived in then. And so, I mean, post-mill people would say that the last

00:10:42.340 days aren't talking about our last days, but they're actually talking about days that have already

00:10:45.940 occurred in the church. Um, so anyway, I don't know, I don't know. And because this is a secondary

00:10:54.520 or tertiary issue and that I don't believe that it, what, what you believe on this determines your

00:11:01.240 salvation or the sincerity of your faith. That is why I love discussing it and debating it and

00:11:07.380 hearing other people that I respect their perspective on it. That doesn't mean it's not

00:11:10.520 important. That doesn't mean there isn't a right view. There is one right view. It's not that all

00:11:15.640 of these views are equally valid or all of these views are equally true. They're mutually exclusive.

00:11:20.120 They can't all be true. There is one truth. I just don't, um, like, I, I just don't know all of

00:11:27.860 the answers about them. I mean, I'm confident in my view based on my reading of scripture, but

00:11:33.480 I also, um, you know, there are a lot of, there are persuasive debates and arguments out there,

00:11:41.120 biblical arguments about each view. So I just think it's interesting. I don't know if we're in the

00:11:45.620 end times or not. Some people would say, absolutely. I mean, it's hard to see how it'd be worse than

00:11:49.500 this, right? Like it's hard to, how can we get more confused than we are right now? How can we

00:11:54.320 be more up as down than we are right now? How can we be more Romans one than we are right now?

00:12:00.960 It's probably a bad question. It can always get worse.

00:12:15.620 Will I ever have a live audience for my shows? Possibly, possibly we've talked about it before.

00:12:23.240 Um, have I answered this question? I can't remember if I've answered this question. I probably have on

00:12:27.360 one podcast or another, but yeah, we've talked about it. We got to vet you guys. Most of you guys are

00:12:32.060 awesome, but unfortunately there's some weirdos out there. So for the protection of everyone around,

00:12:37.700 we would just have to make sure that the people that we invite and allow in are, you know, true

00:12:42.360 related bells and related bros. But, um, yeah, I think one day that we will. So just stay tuned for

00:12:50.100 that. We've got lots of fun stuff coming up that we are planning and scheming. Uh, what does the

00:12:56.560 typical day look like for you? Uh, that's a great question. People ask me this all the time. People

00:13:02.440 in my own life who I know ask me this all the time, uh, because I feel like I'm kind of just like

00:13:07.240 MIA during the week. And then I resurface on the weekends because this podcast takes, uh, it takes 0.70

00:13:13.880 a lot of time and a lot of focus and a lot of energy. And it's not just the podcast. It's everything

00:13:17.200 that surrounds the podcast. In addition to the other things I do like write and speak and all that good

00:13:21.820 stuff, which I all, which I love, I love all of that stuff, but it just takes a lot of time.

00:13:25.700 And then my first priority is being a wife and mom that takes the majority of my time. And so I

00:13:31.540 don't have a lot of time for anything else during the week that said, um, let's see ideal day.

00:13:37.240 And I have answered this question a long time ago, but it's okay. I think it's good to repeat.

00:13:41.040 Or maybe I just answered it on Instagram. I don't know. Everything's all jumbled right now.

00:13:44.920 Um, I try to wake up ideally, ideally this doesn't always happen. Okay. Ideally I wake up at 6am

00:13:53.320 and I just kind of get ready for the day. I really try not to open my phone and scroll first thing.

00:14:00.460 Although that is tempting. I would say that's like a struggle for me because it is an easy way

00:14:06.880 to ease into the day. It seems like, but it's not a good way. It's not a good way at all to ease into

00:14:12.460 the day, but it's just, you know, it's mindless or it feels mindless, but I try to make myself when

00:14:18.340 I want to do that because I have the Bible app on my phone or Bible apps. I try to do that first,

00:14:24.440 just at least read a chapter of the Bible before, or a segment of the Bible before I get into the news

00:14:30.640 and all of that, because I do need to know what's going on in the world. So I do need to scroll

00:14:34.280 Twitter and Instagram for a little bit, but I don't need to do that, you know, for the first 30

00:14:39.400 minutes of my day. And I certainly don't need to prioritize that before getting in the word.

00:14:43.920 I would love to say also that I sit down and I open all my commentaries and I do an hour long

00:14:48.480 quiet time. I don't, I had to kind of wake myself up to the reality that quiet times don't have to look

00:14:55.520 like that at every stage of life that just because you can't sit down for a full feast every day,

00:15:01.100 doesn't mean that you shouldn't eat. And so sometimes it looks like listening on my dwell app

00:15:07.200 to my, to a Bible passage. Sometimes it looks like reading the Bible for 15 minutes. Sometimes it does

00:15:13.320 look longer and, and more in depth, but don't think that just because you can't have a perfectly

00:15:20.820 quiet, quiet time and that you can't have it without it being disrupted by kids or whatever it is,

00:15:26.260 that you get distracted sometimes that you just shouldn't read your Bible. I think that's a trick

00:15:30.920 of the devil. So anyway, I try to prioritize that first. Doesn't always happen just to be honest.

00:15:36.620 And I'm not making an excuse for that. A lot of times it's just sin and me just being selfish in the

00:15:41.000 morning and not feeling like it. And that's not a good thing. Again, not an excuse. It's just how it

00:15:46.260 is. Um, so anyway, that's the first thing I want to do. Wake up at six, six allows me to like,

00:15:52.200 do all the things that I need to do before my children wake up. Thankfully my children sleep in

00:15:58.860 a pretty long and then my kids wake up and then I do mom things in the morning. And then, um,

00:16:04.860 I record my podcast in the morning. Sometimes we have to record multiple things. Sometimes we record

00:16:09.640 social media videos. I get my makeup done at the studio before I record anything. Usually after I

00:16:14.780 record, there are some meetings and things and are, we just have to talk about things. Sometimes I have

00:16:20.460 to meet with different people about merch or about, you know, future plans for the show or other things

00:16:26.380 that we're planning. Sometimes I have phone calls with other people. Sometimes I have to write

00:16:30.240 articles. And so until like early afternoon, that's basically what I'm doing on the phone in meetings,

00:16:38.160 recording, um, writing some days I'm, I'm traveling. Usually my travel is less than 24 hours.

00:16:45.220 Sometimes my family comes with me. Sometimes it doesn't, or sometimes they don't. Um,

00:16:51.220 and then from afternoon to evening, I'm, you know, full on mom. Sometimes I'll work out. I used to work

00:16:58.900 out at 6 AM. I don't do that anymore. It's usually afternoon. I also used to work out every day in the

00:17:05.020 morning. I don't do that anymore. I work out probably three times a week in the afternoon or

00:17:09.560 evening when my husband is there and yeah, that's kind of my day. And then after bed, I typically

00:17:16.000 just hang out with my husband, but at some point I do work at night. That's just the exchange that I

00:17:22.520 have that I, that I do to be with my family in the mornings. And then all afternoon after bedtime,

00:17:29.820 I do typically have to work on something. I try not to stay up too late, but sometimes I have to,

00:17:35.900 sometimes it's until midnight. I usually try to get to bed at 10 30 or so. So that's my typical day

00:17:43.480 and we just make it work. I wish I could say I'm like the most organized person with all this time

00:17:47.960 blocking. I do have to do lists. I have to put everything. I have to write everything down.

00:17:53.000 Um, I do have an assistant who helps me, uh, with that kind of stuff. And yeah, we live like a very

00:17:59.840 normal, regular, private life and except for recording this podcast and like the public stuff

00:18:08.480 that I do. It's not, you know, it's not very exceptional. My life probably looks a lot like

00:18:12.340 y'all's life. Um, so I don't know if that answers all of your questions. It kind of changes from day

00:18:17.860 to day, week to week too, just depending on our schedule and all of that. I'm also just so thankful.

00:18:22.580 Like if you can live by your family, like moms live by your parents. Oh my gosh. It makes such 0.99

00:18:30.060 a big difference. It makes such a big difference. I'm just so thankful for that. Um, and also just

00:18:35.000 like having an awesome husband who is an awesome dad and we just really are great. We're just a great

00:18:42.680 team. So I just praise God for that. It makes it all, makes it all work.

00:18:52.580 Uh, what is the difference between submitting to your husband and the patriarchy? Well, here's

00:19:07.720 my answer to that. That may be a surprising. So you're looking at Ephesians five and Ephesians

00:19:13.820 five says, and I'll pull it up that wives are supposed to submit to their husbands. That does 1.00

00:19:20.500 not mean that women are supposed to, all women are supposed to submit to all men. That's 0.90

00:19:25.400 not what that says. In verse 22 of chapter five of Ephesians, it says, wives submit to

00:19:30.300 your own husbands as to the Lord for the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the 0.69

00:19:35.980 head of the church, his body and is himself its savior. Now, as the church submits to Christ,

00:19:41.160 so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Now, of course the teaching on

00:19:46.960 this, the traditional Orthodox, I believe teaching on this is that in so far as your husband is not

00:19:54.260 causing you to sin. We also don't think that this is an excuse for enduring abuse of you or of your

00:20:01.500 children. Anyone who has tried to use, misuse, abuse this passage to say that wives are meant to

00:20:08.300 endure the abuse of their husbands is wrong. And I think simple. And so maybe that's what this is.

00:20:16.040 This question is trying to get at, but there is an inherent assumption in this question. The

00:20:20.880 inherent assumption in this question is that patriarchy is bad. So submitting to your husband, 0.97

00:20:26.280 I think that this questioner is saying is good because the Bible explicitly calls wives to submit 0.94

00:20:31.080 to their husbands. There's an ordering, there's a hierarchy there. Okay. This is not an egalitarian

00:20:36.420 arrangement. Yes. Equal in worth, equal in value. Remember there is in Christ, there is neither male nor

00:20:42.200 female nor slave nor free nor Jew nor Greek. We are all one in Christ. Those of us who are believers,

00:20:49.820 but when it comes to the marriage arrangement, there is an ordering there is that the husband

00:20:56.060 is supposed to be a representative of Christ and the wife is a representative of the church. There is a 0.91

00:21:00.760 great spiritual and eternal picture of the gospel that is represented in marriage. That's why,

00:21:07.040 by the way, marriage between one woman and one male is the only biblical option. It's the only biblical

00:21:14.820 definition of marriage. And so, um, the wives have a unique role. Men have a unique role, even as we are

00:21:22.280 equal in worth and, uh, just as much able to be given salvation and faith and grace and all of those

00:21:30.200 things. Um, so submitting, you understand to your husband is biblical and is good, but patriarchy,

00:21:38.160 I'm guessing the assumption is, is bad. And I would say that that is not necessarily true. That is

00:21:45.260 certainly not biblically true. Like biblically, we don't see any kind of condemnation of patriarchy.

00:21:51.840 Jesus was born into a patriarchal time. Did he shake his fist at the patriarchy? Now, maybe you think that

00:22:00.020 him, um, that his interaction with a woman caught in adultery, that that was shaking his fist at

00:22:05.660 patriarchy. And I believe it's John eight, that is not a shaking the fist of the patriarchy. That is

00:22:11.280 actually, as Jesus does so often, um, a pointing out in a condemnation of hypocrisy. Uh, for those of

00:22:18.460 you who have not sinned, you be the one to throw the first stone at this woman. What he actually means 0.89

00:22:23.860 by that is not in a, an abolishing or an ignoring of the law, but actually a doubling down on the law

00:22:30.220 and getting to the heart of the law. Again, what he does so often when he is talking to, um,

00:22:35.920 Pharisees or talking to the people, he is showing people not that the law is bad, but that they

00:22:42.040 misunderstand the intent of the law. And those who had caught this woman in adultery, thrown her before

00:22:48.300 Jesus to test him, to test his knowledge and his adherence to the law. They had actually broken the

00:22:53.940 law because the law actually said that there had to be, uh, two to three witnesses who saw this woman

00:23:01.780 committing adultery. And also that the man committing adultery was also open to punishment. And so they had

00:23:09.660 actually broken the law and dragging this woman in this way before Jesus and demanding execution,

00:23:15.860 demanding the stoning without the proper, uh, procedure preceding her punishment. And so when

00:23:22.820 Jesus is saying you of you who, uh, who are without sin, be the one to throw the first stone,

00:23:29.680 he's actually saying, you guys aren't even following the law here. You are condemning her for not following

00:23:34.520 the law. You're not following the law either. And so in this case, he extends mercy to her. And it is

00:23:41.580 a beautiful moment, a beautiful story where he, I am guessing, looks her in the eye in a way that

00:23:47.920 maybe a man hadn't before and treats her with kindness and respect and forgiveness, but he is

00:23:54.140 not telling her to keep sinning. He is urging her to sin no more. And that forgiveness is supposed to

00:23:59.300 lead her to repentance. As Romans two tells us that kindness, that God's kindness is to lead us to

00:24:04.540 repentance. Anyway, that story is not about abolishing the patriarchy. Jesus did not try to abolish the

00:24:10.240 patriarchy. We see a patriarchy that set up in the old Testament. So of course we can't say

00:24:14.260 that it is evil. So I do kind of take issue with how this question is arranged that patriarchy is

00:24:20.440 inherently bad when that's not something that we actually see in scripture. And so if what your

00:24:25.520 real question is, is how is submitting to your husband distinct from submitting to abuse? Um,

00:24:33.180 then I would say that that is simply not the interpretation of submission that we see

00:24:39.220 biblically that the husband would be totally abdicating his responsibility as a husband in

00:24:45.260 that case. And that to protect herself, to protect her children, to protect her family, that a wife 1.00

00:24:51.120 should not be in submission to a husband that is, um, that is abusing her. And now I'm not talking

00:24:58.240 about abuse and that sometimes he, or you both say something mean to each other. I'm talking about

00:25:03.500 actual abuse. Yes, that can be emotional, but there are actual specific definitions of that,

00:25:08.460 which we can talk about on this show at some point. Um, but it is not talking about tolerating

00:25:14.180 that. It's also, you are not supposed to sin. If submitting to your husband means that he is

00:25:18.920 forcing you to sin, forcing you to worship another God or whatever, commit some kind of crime, then

00:25:25.120 you are called to submit to the Lord rather than, um, to man. So anyway, patriarchy is not always bad.

00:25:33.380 It can be in a very abusive structure. Of course we see that in other parts of the world. Like

00:25:38.420 we see that in the middle East, for example, but it is not inherently bad just as anything else.

00:25:44.320 The system has to be in submission to the Lord and his word to be good for anyone, including the

00:25:49.820 people in charge. And this is what husbands are called to in the same passage. Husbands love your

00:25:54.040 wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her that he might sanctify her having cleansed

00:25:58.820 her by the washing of water with the word so that he might present the church to himself in splendor

00:26:02.960 without spot or wrinkle or any such thing that she might be holy and without blemish. In the same

00:26:07.280 way, husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself for no

00:26:12.880 one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes it and cherishes it just as Christ says the church,

00:26:16.860 because we are members of his body. Therefore, a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to

00:26:21.900 his wife and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is profound. And I am saying that it refers to

00:26:26.480 Christ in the church. That's amazing. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself and let

00:26:31.520 the wife see that she respects her husband. This would have been radical at the time. You know,

00:26:37.580 we see this passage today through a feminist lens. I think a lot of us do and are like, oh, 0.93

00:26:42.280 wives submit to your husbands. That's so crazy. I can't believe Paul would say that we should just

00:26:45.500 ignore Paul. The radical part of this passage at the time would not have been that wives are called

00:26:50.280 to submit to their husbands because they were to submit to their husbands at the time and secular 0.92

00:26:54.620 culture, even to the point of, you know, allowing their husbands to gallivant with prostitutes and 0.87

00:26:59.720 even to the point of abuse and severe subjugation. That would have not been really radical. This was

00:27:05.820 a more gentle and a more godly call to submission. But what would have been radical at the time was

00:27:10.880 Paul saying, hey, husbands, I have a really high standard for you. And that high standard is Christ.

00:27:16.320 You know how Christ was crucified on behalf of his church? You know how Christ gave himself up

00:27:22.020 completely entirely for the glory of God and for love of his church? Yeah, that's how much you're

00:27:28.260 supposed to sacrifice for your wives. You should sacrifice your entire self because of love for

00:27:34.580 God and love for your wife. That would have been radical at the time. So actually this passage is

00:27:39.540 radical in the way of elevating the dignity of women that they are to be cherished, that they are to be

00:27:45.680 cared for, that they are to be sacrificed for in the marriage relationship. That would have been

00:27:50.380 completely foreign at the time that the church of Ephesus was being written to by Paul. And so it's

00:27:58.500 funny because the same people that see this through a feminist modern lens are also the ones that are 0.97

00:28:03.240 always decrying viewing the Bible through our Western modern capitalist lens. Look, if you're viewing

00:28:09.800 this passage as oppressive towards women, you are viewing it through your Western modern lens. This

00:28:17.360 actually speaks to how much God loves women, how much the early church really cared about women, saw

00:28:22.220 marriage as a refuge for the safety and the cherishing of women. And that's how we should read it as well.

00:28:40.400 Let's do a simple one. Best chain restaurant. Okay, let me tell you the first one that comes to mind.

00:28:45.800 And the first one that comes to mind is chilies. I don't know if that's actually true. But that is

00:28:51.880 the first one that comes to mind because their skillet queso, or as some of you might say in certain

00:29:00.060 parts of the country, cheese dip, their skillet queso is really good. Also, they're like their chicken

00:29:07.880 nuggets or their chicken fingers, I should say. I'm sorry. Blasphemy chicken fingers breaded to 0.74

00:29:13.800 perfection. Now, I will say I have not been to chilies in a really long time. I'm actually getting hungry as I'm

00:29:19.520 saying this and I would like it. But I grew we grew up going to chilies. That was like where if we were going

00:29:26.160 out to eat a lot of times it was to chilies because it was easy back then it was cool. Gen Z don't even know you

00:29:32.380 don't even know the chilies of the 90s. You will never know you will not know fine dining until you sit in the

00:29:39.980 chilies and you see all the cool knickknacks that are lining the ceiling and all of the fun pictures. I don't even

00:29:47.540 know looking back what these pictures were of. They seem to be some kind of chilies festivals that were going on in the

00:29:53.660 80s and 90s. And then they tried to kind of redo or revamp chilies later on in like the later 2000s. But then I missed the

00:30:03.980 old chilies and like the cool little tile that were always on the that were always on the table. So I

00:30:10.900 don't know. I guess I could say chilies, but I don't know if you're talking fast food. That's a whole

00:30:15.600 different category. We're done. OK, then you got Battle Royale between In-N-Out and Chick-fil-A and you got

00:30:21.440 Shake Shack. And then I mean, I don't know. Also, I liked Wendy's growing up. Wendy's was good. Wendy's

00:30:28.040 gets slept on a lot, but it's good. So, you know, Chili's final answer, Chili's final answer simply

00:30:35.060 because of their chicken fingers. And when Chili's finally goes out of business, that is going to be

00:30:40.240 a loss, a loss to Americana, a loss, a loss of a world, maybe the dying bits of a world

00:30:48.560 pre craziness that, again, Gen Z, you don't even know. You don't even know that the world used to 0.99

00:30:55.080 be badder than this. Things used to be a lot simpler and a lot easier. Not all young people 1.00

00:30:59.780 were friggin depressed because we weren't like in the throes of existential crises in politics all

00:31:06.640 the time. Let's see if there's one more that we can answer. OK, let me end on an encouraging note.

00:31:14.840 Um, OK, never mind. I'm not going to get into this because it'll take too long.

00:31:22.340 All right. Let me see if there's one more that we can answer. OK, this is a fun one. If you didn't

00:31:29.820 host a podcast, what other job do you think you'd have? Oh, my gosh, there's so guys, there's so many

00:31:36.540 things. This actually like annoys my husband because I will be like, do you think I should do this? Do you

00:31:42.160 think I can do this? What about what if I did this? And he's like, has to remind me, he's like,

00:31:45.620 you have a job like you, you have a actually you have a career that you have been working on since

00:31:51.420 2015. Like you remember that, right? Like, you know that you can't go like open a bar studio.

00:31:57.760 And I'm like, oh, yeah, that's that's true. I probably can't do that. Or like you can't go be

00:32:03.000 a doula. You can't. No, you're not going to be like a midwife. Those are things I would want to do.

00:32:07.460 So that is my that's my apocalypse designation. Like all of us will have different places in the

00:32:14.700 apocalypse when I don't even know exactly what that means. But when stuff really hits the fan

00:32:20.260 and China is going to take over and we've all got our like plots of land. So there's going to be the 0.91

00:32:26.160 hunters. There's going to be those who can make clothes. We're talking about if we have to basically

00:32:30.840 go back in time in some ways to pre industrialism, there's going to be gardeners,

00:32:39.140 there's going to be not very many of those. Most people are useless like me and don't have any of 0.96

00:32:44.420 those skills. There's going to be the preppers. There's going to be all these people. I don't have 1.00

00:32:49.380 any of those apocalyptic skills, those pre industrial skills. Like, I don't know if y'all need me to go on

00:32:57.600 the like, I don't know, the walkie talkies that we have to talk to each other in our underground

00:33:04.380 communities. And I can be the messenger for that. That's probably the only thing that I have. But

00:33:09.300 I do like birth. And so I can be the midwife. I don't have any medical experience. So

00:33:14.960 don't give me complicated birth, but I could be the midwife in that kind of scenario. So

00:33:21.720 when, when all that happens, when things really hit the fan and we have to all go underground and

00:33:27.720 live like we're in the 1700s again, um, that's what I have to offer. So if I weren't doing this,

00:33:34.800 maybe it would be something in the birth world because that's something that I'm really fascinated

00:33:38.700 by. And I've learned a lot about since I started giving birth. Um, let's see, there are other things

00:33:45.620 there. Oh, I could probably come up with names for businesses. I really like doing that.

00:33:50.640 Um, but here's, here's the problem with all of my things is that I could never,

00:33:57.000 I don't know if I should say this publicly, just in case I'm in this position again,

00:34:01.900 it would be really difficult for me to ever have a boss again. Okay. I have not had a boss since

00:34:08.500 2015. Um, and I was born to not have one. I was just not built for it. I wasn't built to be an

00:34:18.780 employee and there's nothing like I, there's nothing wrong with that, uh, to, well, it's

00:34:24.660 actually, I think a lot harder to have a hard time, like working for someone. And I have always had a

00:34:30.440 hard time with that probably since I was like in kindergarten. Um, but I just couldn't do it.

00:34:36.880 So thinking of having any other job other than this, it'd be really tough for me. I would have to

00:34:42.180 start something on my own because I just, I can't do it. I just, I didn't really like my teachers

00:34:49.180 growing up and I just have a hard time with authority, which is probably why I am

00:34:54.960 anti so many things that the government does. Okay. That's all I got time for today.

00:35:01.540 Uh, we will be back here soon. Thanks for your questions.

00:35:17.520 Hey guys, if you love this podcast, please leave us a five-star review wherever you listen

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00:35:31.540 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 17, 2023

Ep 891 ｜ Is Patriarchy Biblical？｜ Q&A

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 17, 2023

Ep 891 ｜ Is Patriarchy Biblical？ ｜ Q&A

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Ep 891 ｜ Is Patriarchy Biblical？｜ Q&A