Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 898 ｜ Are Aliens Biblically Possible？｜ Guests： Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant of 'Cultish'

00:00:00.920 Are aliens real? And if so, how does this fit into biblical theology? Our guests today,

00:00:07.300 Andrew Sondkrant and Jeremiah Roberts from the Cultish podcast are going to answer these questions

00:00:12.780 for us today, and many more are talking all about extraterrestrial life and alien encounters,

00:00:19.340 what the government may know or not know. What is really going on here? There are a lot of

00:00:25.360 questions and a lot of controversies about this, and we're going to do our best to wade into as

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00:00:47.020 All right, guys. Welcome back. We're going to talk about aliens today. I have talked about aliens,

00:00:54.020 I think, one other time, but I didn't really get the answers that I was looking for.

00:00:58.640 So I've got questions for y'all. I just want to know, do you think it is possible, theologically,

00:01:05.740 physically possible, for there to be extraterrestrial creatures out there on another planet?

00:01:15.060 So the short answer is yes. The rest of the podcast will probably be some conversations about

00:01:20.740 how do we actually expound on that? And there's a lot of different places to begin. So I'm going to,

00:01:27.280 you know, there's a lot of different areas. And you think about the culture, you know, aliens,

00:01:30.760 UFOs, alien abductions. This is articulated in, you know, different movies. This is articulated

00:01:36.760 both in pop culture. And now you're seeing it on regularly on, you know, shows like Tucker Carlson,

00:01:43.400 when he was, when he was around on Fox News. I mean, on all the different channels, you've seen

00:01:48.140 even people like Marco Rubio and politicians are talking about, we need to have more transparency,

00:01:52.580 what whistleblowers can come forward without consequence. So what normally has been really

00:01:57.920 kind of like a tinfoil, X-Files, you only talk about this in Reddit chats. This has now been

00:02:03.660 something that you see on the nightly news in conversation on a regular basis, where this is

00:02:09.040 becoming very normative, where it was very taboo just a couple decades ago. And a lot of us were

00:02:14.580 wondering, okay, well, where do we begin? Because there's so many different layers of storylines.

00:02:18.660 Do you begin with, you know, the government coverups of Roswell? Do you begin with any of

00:02:24.280 the other UFO appearings? And so what I want to talk about, actually, and this is something that

00:02:28.180 may surprise you, I want to talk about Tom DeLonge from Blink-182. Now that may surprise you. What

00:02:34.000 on earth does Tom DeLonge from Blink-182 have to do with UFOs and aliens? Or really in a very simplistic

00:02:40.640 terms, his story is that, you know, when you think about 20 years ago, when they are on tour,

00:02:45.700 when they hit the big times is that, you know, you didn't have your phone, you didn't have Facebook,

00:02:49.160 you didn't have social media, you really had a lot of free time in between tour dates. And so he just

00:02:54.740 became obsessed with studying up everything that he could. He was always fascinated from a very young

00:02:59.700 age with a topic of UFOs and aliens. And really, at some point, he really, he would end up happening

00:03:05.780 is that he always realized that when it comes to the government, I mean, of course, the United States

00:03:09.860 government does not have the greatest history of always being transparent with their citizens.

00:03:14.780 That's not just when it comes to the topic of UFOs and aliens. Look at 2020, right? Two days of

00:03:19.820 flattening, two days of flattening the curve, right? And so when you, Tom DeLonge, what ended up

00:03:24.500 happening is he watched the film 13 Days, which is about the Cuban Missile Crisis. And he really saw

00:03:29.720 that in that, a lot of what was told about the Cuban Missile Crisis, he was able to really understand

00:03:35.920 the complexities of what the Kennedy administration and what was going on during those times to avoid

00:03:41.240 really a potential nuclear holocaust. And so he had this idea, well, how will I kind of work as a

00:03:47.460 liaison, as a catalyst to talk to the government to say, hey, how can I help you guys decipher this

00:03:52.500 information? Because you're not the best, you don't have the best PR. How can I help you decipher

00:03:56.560 this information to the public in a way that's digestible and palatable? And so he really had

00:04:02.000 studied in depth the different UFO abductions, UFO coverups, those sorts of things. And it was very,

00:04:08.640 very interesting. I remember hearing him back on the Joe Rogan experience. This is back in 2016 or

00:04:13.300 2017. And most people, when they heard that interview, thought he had completely lost his

00:04:19.200 marbles. He was talking about how he's working in coercion with the government to move forward,

00:04:26.040 talk about all these different alien revelations and disclosures. A lot of people thought he was

00:04:30.460 crazy. Well, it was actually confirmed he was doing, working alongside the government. When the whole

00:04:35.420 WikiLeaks case came out back in the 2016 election, part of that WikiLeaks stump was Tom DeLonge had a

00:04:42.180 little cameo appearance that he actually was working alongside different government institutions. And so

00:04:48.600 you can actually look this up online. He has an organization called To the Stars Academy. And in

00:04:53.560 that, he's working alongside a bunch of different scientists, physicists, with people with very,

00:04:59.340 very highly credentialed to really explore this issue of UFOs, or really the proper term people

00:05:06.980 are referring to now is unidentified aerial phenomena. So what you're seeing is that it's

00:05:13.440 gone to a point where there's been multiple moments of collaboration of different points all over the

00:05:20.740 world of people who are seeing objects in the sky that are moving in such a way that really defies the

00:05:28.060 laws of physics, where they're moving very quickly, they're stopping, they're making turns, which no

00:05:33.560 aircraft of any government is able to, that has any sort of craft that can articulate those sorts of

00:05:40.080 movements. Another example would be somebody named Commander David Frazier. Frazier, and he was a F-16

00:05:46.820 pilot, and he had an encounter off of, I believe, off in California. And he captured on his,

00:05:54.580 on his, on his F-16, this, they call it a tic-tac. And this, this was moving in such a way that,

00:06:01.320 again, defied the laws of physics. If this had been an actual, actual spacecraft or something from

00:06:06.920 another, another government, it would have been considered an act of war because it was in a

00:06:11.540 restricted airspace. And so what you're really seeing is that there is something going on that

00:06:17.820 is, like I said, irrefutable, incontrovertible. There is a phenomena in the sky. Multiple people have

00:06:23.420 seen these. And where it comes, and we can definitely unravel this with questions that you

00:06:27.860 have, Allie, is that as Christians, this is something that the world is taking very, very

00:06:33.940 seriously. When you actually look at the people involved in To The Stars Academy, these are people

00:06:38.420 who are highly accredited. They're not, they initially didn't get these credentials to go,

00:06:42.720 hey, I'm going out there to talk about UFOs and this unidentified area of phenomena. But they see this

00:06:49.120 as important to explain and to discuss. And the importance is that when people approach this

00:06:54.400 subject, regardless of what worldview you have, what immediately comes into question is like,

00:07:00.580 what is the nature of truth? What is the nature of reality? If there truly are aliens or extraterrestrials

00:07:07.540 who live on another planet, what does that say if you are a Christian? If you believe that Jesus is 0.98

00:07:12.820 God come in the flesh, that he became a man, that he died on the cross for our sins, what, like,

00:07:16.620 how do aliens fit into that? So I think as being a Christian, we look at all the developments,

00:07:23.060 for example, with what Tom DeLonge has done with To The Stars Academy, or if you look at all the

00:07:28.080 other documentaries that have come out recently, there's a documentary, if you want to, we'll

00:07:32.640 talk about in a little bit called Point of Contact, or Moment of Contact. It's what we call one or the

00:07:37.300 other. It's by someone named James Fox, who's recently on the Joe Rogan Experience. He's talking about

00:07:41.940 this event that took place in 1996 in Brazil, of a, from this wall town, it's called Varginia. Brazil

00:07:49.980 sounds like Virginia, but it's called Varginia, where there's multiple people 20 years later who all

00:07:55.560 independently verify and really believe and insist that there is a spacecraft that crashed.

00:08:03.960 There is these small, black-like, weird, alien-looking creatures. They're very similar to every other 1.00

00:08:10.040 articulation, even all other parts of the world, that worked their way into this town, and they

00:08:15.280 actually showed up at a small boarding school, which there were several women who at that time

00:08:21.560 were 13 to 14 years old who had this encounter with these creatures, and they still all attest to

00:08:26.340 it to this day. And so the question is, when people look at these things, they immediately begin to

00:08:31.480 question, okay, what is the nature of truth? What is the nature of reality? And what also ends up

00:08:36.500 happening, which will unravel this, it always, always lead, UFO sightings, they always lead to

00:08:44.540 interest in extraterrestrials, which always leads to interest in extraterrestrial contact. And what

00:08:51.420 you'll find out is that once you go down that rabbit hole, that extraterrestrial contact comes by

00:08:57.500 typically occult or New Age practices, which, God forbids, but almost always go there. They're

00:09:04.620 inseparable from each other, and that's why important as Christians, we need to be able to

00:09:08.620 engage this in a biblical way and not be afraid of it. Yeah. Andrew, what would you add to that?

00:09:15.020 Yeah, I think it's important to define terms as well when we're talking about UAPs, UFOs, aliens.

00:09:21.780 We've been using the term extraterrestrial, but there's also interdimensional. I believe that the

00:09:26.700 Bible is very clear in the creation account. I believe that the creation account is literal. It's a

00:09:30.920 literal six days. Moses recounts it in Exodus 20, 11 by saying it was days, Exodus 31 as well.

00:09:37.380 And what we notice in the creation account is that the earth is actually created before all of the

00:09:42.400 sun, moon, and stars. And that's reality according to the creation account, and that humans are the

00:09:47.600 pinnacle of the creation. So in terms of Christians believing in extraterrestrial life, other places in

00:09:53.940 the universe, I don't think there's anyone else made in the image of God. I think humans are that

00:09:57.760 pinnacle of God's creation. There could be organisms which have been found on different

00:10:02.100 planets. I believe according to the evidence that we have shown in with these appearances of these

00:10:10.600 beings, they tend more to lean towards interdimensional beings than they do actual

00:10:15.480 extraterrestrial beings that have formed through evolutionary processes. One documentary as well that

00:10:21.420 we can talk about is Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind with Dr. Stephen Greer. You can watch videos with

00:10:26.300 him as well. I'm not sure if he's been on Joe Rogan. Has he been on Joe Rogan?

00:10:29.320 Yes, on some of their early days.

00:10:32.500 So he also has experiences, and Tom DeLonge has experiences with Stephen Greer as well,

00:10:36.880 to where they get extraterrestrial contact, or I would say interdimensional. See, even me,

00:10:41.560 I use the terms that we use all the time. Interdimensional being contact through forms of

00:10:46.660 transcendental meditation. You can watch videos where orbs start appearing, shooting and darting

00:10:52.840 around the sky. I mean, even the book of Ezekiel in the first chapter, it describes forms of angels

00:10:58.580 like hot metal burning coal circles, dashing to and fro like lightning. So it would be no surprise to

00:11:04.420 me that demons can take very similar forms that defy physics and laws of nature because they're not

00:11:08.780 from this dimension essentially, but can take form and shape. So that's my personal opinion in terms of

00:11:15.060 being in a more biblical form or construct. I don't see extraterrestrial life made in the image

00:11:21.240 of God being something that's somewhere else in the universe, according to the creation account.

00:11:37.100 Tell me a little bit more about where this all does fall within being that like creation,

00:11:44.200 the fall, redemption, because the resources that I've seen have basically said, no, it's not possible

00:11:50.960 for there to be anything outside of demons, angels, and human beings, and of course, animals and plants

00:11:58.580 and things like that. So tell us a little bit more. So I'm going to explain where they kind of fall in

00:12:03.620 line with all of this. Are you talking about whether or not there could actually be extraterrestrials

00:12:08.240 outside of Earth? Like whether or not that's possible? Is that what you're referring to?

00:12:12.160 Something in between like animal and human or something other than human, those kind of

00:12:19.200 creatures that could exist. Like where does that fall in line with the creation order that we see

00:12:25.560 in Genesis? Yeah. So a lot of this is really the subject of like what actually are aliens,

00:12:32.760 what categories this fall to. A lot of Christians really differ on that. There are people who do

00:12:37.340 actually. I was just talking this morning with somebody who's about one of our previous guests.

00:12:41.100 I was actually chatting in the thread saying we're going to be on here and kind of recouping

00:12:44.300 like what are the things to talk about? And there are those who do don't believe that's

00:12:49.640 inconsistent to think that there could be someone that there could be extraterrestrials that live

00:12:54.180 on another planet. Right. So what I think is the most what I'm really focused on is what

00:12:59.720 is the actual evidence show with these sorts of appearances of an identified aerial phenomena?

00:13:04.700 And what you're seeing is that they move in such a way to where all the known and a lot of physicists

00:13:11.200 will talk about this too, where the way a lot of these spacecraft even move, to go from one galaxy

00:13:18.680 to another in the amount of time that it would take, there's no, they would burn up. The elements

00:13:25.620 aren't possible to sustain. If you've seen Top Gun Maverick, you've seen at the very beginning when Tom

00:13:31.600 Cruise, we may have released an episode on Scientology by this time, but there's a moment

00:13:35.860 where he has this craft and he accelerates it to Mach 10 and eventually that blows up. Right. So

00:13:41.960 you look at the most, one of the most evolved space like craft at that time made by humans,

00:13:47.480 it disintegrates. And so what you end up seeing is that there's not, there's elements that just

00:13:52.460 don't add up with the ability for it to, for aliens to be going to have another civilization,

00:13:57.640 another planet. That's, that's my, that's my take on it. There's other Christians who may disagree

00:14:01.240 with that. And so what I think when it comes to creation and how that fits in, I think it would

00:14:10.440 fit into the heavenly hosts, fallen angels. And I think one of the main reasons is, is that whenever

00:14:17.820 you start going down this rabbit trail, you look at any, almost anyone who is a person that's into

00:14:24.620 UFOs and aliens, that the rabbit trail almost always goes down to alien contact, finding out

00:14:32.480 about who we really are as people and what, what the form of spirituality is. And so when you look at

00:14:37.060 a lot of these documented cases of actual alien contact, the information that they're getting,

00:14:42.680 they're getting, when you look at the stuff like ancient aliens and a lot of these ideas of ancient

00:14:47.380 civilizations, it's not about some sort of evolved technology or materials or, or like,

00:14:53.520 how can we actually take this to improve this alien technology we can take to improve our everyday

00:14:57.300 lives? It's always questions on spirituality. It's almost immediately cut to the chase. Who is Jesus?

00:15:03.560 Was Jesus really the son of God? And so it really, it's under what happens is that the underlying

00:15:09.840 worldviews of Christianity and also of Jesus begin to be immediately questioned. So I mean, that would

00:15:15.540 be it a red flag when it comes to the UFO conversation, that there's something about this

00:15:21.020 that is insatiably, uh, and unequivocally connected to, uh, what, uh, God says about the world because

00:15:29.420 they, when he cut, when alien contact happens, there's a worldview that's advocated that's completely

00:15:34.240 antithetical, uh, to the Christian worldview specifically, uh, in regards to, uh, the occultic

00:15:40.080 practices. Yeah. Andrew, what do you think?

00:15:42.700 Yeah. Just to echo on that, we just have to be careful, uh, in terms of the way that

00:15:48.260 we're viewing information that we're receiving. So what we got to understand is what we have

00:15:52.760 video of is also extremely blurry, right? We have no high def images. Maybe there are some

00:15:58.320 from the government that we haven't had, haven't seen yet, but a lot of what we think we know

00:16:03.920 about what we are seeing are things that we're extrapolating from videos and information that

00:16:09.720 we don't really have fully. It's like, we're looking through a lens kind of dimly, but what

00:16:13.720 we do have is God's word to guide us with what we should be knowing. And I see nothing in scripture

00:16:20.520 that tells me other than human beings being the pinnacle of God's creation, that there's

00:16:25.160 some other type of highly advanced, highly evolved life form out there that is coming, uh, to earth

00:16:31.060 and earth specifically for some reason. That's just things that we extrapolate from our own human

00:16:35.740 imagination, things that we want to believe because there's two possibilities, right? When

00:16:39.440 we hear and see UAPs, there's another life form out there from another advanced civilization that 0.99

00:16:45.420 maybe for somehow through billions of years of unguided processes of evolution has a society

00:16:50.440 that has now, for some reason, have purpose and meaning that is coming over here. It's like

00:16:54.960 the Star Trek thing, right? Like if that's true, I'd say if that is true, then what's going

00:17:00.700 on and what we're told in the Bible is in conflict with that. Uh, and I, and that it's hard for

00:17:05.900 me to be able to grasp something of that nature when I think the Bible speaks very clearly on

00:17:11.640 the creation account and the things that we need to know. And like Jerry is saying, uh,

00:17:15.020 the way you get in contact with these beings is through things that the Bible says is an abomination

00:17:21.800 in Deuteronomy 18, sorcery, uh, transcendental meditation, trying to use specific processes to

00:17:27.820 contact interdimensional life forms, to gain knowledge. And God says, do not do that.

00:17:45.900 Okay. What do y'all think about the Nephilim in Genesis 6?

00:17:49.680 Oh boy. Because I, okay. My last guest, they talked about this and, you know, their support

00:17:57.040 for the idea that, you know, this is basically what aliens are. So I'm just, I honestly, I hadn't

00:18:02.380 even heard that before. So sorry if this is a curve ball, but I'm sure that y'all have good

00:18:06.980 thoughts on it.

00:18:09.300 And you want to tackle that one? Cause you did a whole, uh, statement on the book of Enoch

00:18:12.520 as well too.

00:18:14.500 Yeah. Um, I haven't done as much research. There's different differing beliefs on what the

00:18:19.620 Nephilim are. I mean, we can read it now in Genesis 6. I'll pull it up. So I have it right 1.00

00:18:24.300 here. So it says, now it happened when men began to multiply on the face of the land and

00:18:28.440 daughters were born to them, that the sons of God saw that the daughters of men were good

00:18:32.400 in appearance and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose. Then Yahweh said, my spirit

00:18:36.900 shall not strive with man forever because he is indeed flesh. Nevertheless, his day shall

00:18:40.400 be 120 years. The Nephilim were on the earth in those days. And also afterward, when the sons 0.99

00:18:45.160 of God came into the daughters of men and they were born children to them, these were

00:18:49.900 the mighty men who were of old men of renown. Then Yahweh saw that the evil of man was great

00:18:54.080 on the earth and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart is only evil continually. And then

00:18:57.780 we understand from there that God, uh, wipes out the earth with the great flood. So the assumptions

00:19:03.740 there is that the sons of God could be fallen angels that procreated with humans, uh, and created

00:19:10.840 giant offspring called the Nephilim. Uh, a lot of that also comes from, uh, sources like the book

00:19:17.260 of Enoch as well. That goes into a lot more detail of this account. Again, we don't really have many

00:19:22.740 places in the Bible that talk about the Nephilim. Uh, this is one of them. Uh, there's other thoughts

00:19:29.080 that the sons of God were a lineage of people that actually loved God and they fell away and they

00:19:37.640 mated with the daughters of men in that term. And it created men of renown, but you know,

00:19:45.800 the position itself is hard for me at this point to state that for some reason, uh, angels fell from

00:19:52.700 heaven and could mate with humans, but now they can't. Yeah. Why not now? Why isn't that happening

00:19:57.460 today? Well, some people would say that, okay, so some people would say that it is. Some people would

00:20:02.500 say that these hybrid type people still exist today and that they have a lot of power. Now 1.00

00:20:09.660 there's a lot of steps that you have to take to get there, obviously, but I mean, there are people

00:20:15.460 who believe that these, we can't see them or recognize them necessarily as hybrids, but there

00:20:20.320 are professing Christians, you know, who actually believe that they do still exist today.

00:20:25.720 Yeah. I think it's important, uh, as Christians for us to think, uh, critically in such a way to where

00:20:30.760 we have one little section of the Bible and it's hard to extract so many conclusions from this one

00:20:37.120 thing, right? We will know when we die for sure. In certainty. Uh, I think that will be revealed to

00:20:42.240 us, but I think Jerry has a really good, uh, description of how really grand conspiracies,

00:20:48.720 the more grander they are, the more difficult it is for it to pull off. Cause there's so many

00:20:53.140 moving parts. Jerry, can you kind of describe, described it before? Yeah. Well, a couple different

00:20:59.060 levels. I'll say this when it comes to Genesis six, my, my take, when it comes to biblical

00:21:04.160 interpretation, like, and dealing with these things is that if you're viewing something of

00:21:08.380 anywhere in the Bible, that your approach should want you to check out other areas of the Bible.

00:21:14.920 And there's still areas outside the Bible that would make sense. Okay. This makes sense then of

00:21:18.500 the outside worlds that they go on in the first century. My main issue is with a lot of people who do

00:21:24.600 go into Genesis six, which is obviously scripture and also the book of Jude, which sort of mentions

00:21:29.900 the book of Enoch in passing the people, most of the time who get into those topics, they tend to stay

00:21:36.960 in Genesis six. They tend to stay there. And the longer you stay there, the stranger it gets.

00:21:43.020 And then you start having to reinterpret everything and part of just two passages of the Bible. So I think

00:21:49.580 that's an area where I sometimes have a lot of caution when it comes to how someone approaches

00:21:56.040 the issue. I mean, Genesis six is there. It does talk about giants. There are some very interesting

00:22:00.780 aspects of history, especially when you look into the Bigfoot, uh, counter to Bigfoot, which is a

00:22:05.860 whole nother conversation. But usually when it comes to conspiracies, and this is also has to do

00:22:11.240 with UFOs is that there is a principle called Occam's razor, which basically states that the simplest

00:22:17.320 solution is highly, the most probable answer because the more elaborate you make conspiracies,

00:22:23.960 the higher probability there is for error. Because yeah, while it is human nature for people to

00:22:30.300 conspire in secret, that shouldn't surprise us when that happens. And the book of John, it says,

00:22:34.680 no one comes to the light, uh, less their deeds be exposed. People do conspire in secret, but there's

00:22:40.600 also that, that acquisition for power does not like to be shared. So not only do you have people

00:22:46.060 collaborating, you always have someone looking to take the other person out. The law, the more

00:22:50.900 players you put into a conspiracy, the more complex it gets. And what makes the UFO conversation very

00:22:58.040 interesting is that you have spacecraft, not just in the 1950s, but you see a lot of even paintings

00:23:06.300 from like around the Renaissance of some of like objects like that are in the sky. Um, you, a lot of

00:23:12.280 times even when we've made posts, for example, of recent news headlines about, uh, you know,

00:23:18.040 there's some sort of, uh, alien revelation or people mistook a Chinese spy weather balloon as a

00:23:23.800 UFO. Most people will say, well, this is just the Biden administration doing a wag the dog tactic,

00:23:29.120 right? Uh, they're trying to distract from, you know, whatever, whatever, you know, nefarious things

00:23:34.140 that they're doing, sending another a hundred billion dollars to Ukraine or what have you.

00:23:37.940 But the reality is, is that this issue of these unidentified aerial phenomena, this goes back

00:23:43.960 decades through multiple, uh, administrations, both, uh, Republicans and Democrats. You have

00:23:50.080 somebody like, uh, Senator Harry Reed. Uh, he passed away, uh, not too long ago, but he was very,

00:23:56.200 and he was actually LDS, which is the whole, uh, very interesting to kind of take that into account.

00:24:00.740 But he had a huge interest in, uh, the government relations in regards to being transparent about

00:24:06.340 UFO disclosures. And he's somebody who was a prominent Democrat. And then you have somebody

00:24:10.660 like Marco Rubio, who is a very prominent Republican. He was a presidential candidate

00:24:15.220 during the 2016 elections. He's been one of the most outspoken people when it comes to,

00:24:20.620 uh, pushing for government transparency, when it comes to UFO revelations. And then you have,

00:24:24.900 like I said, the, the account, uh, in Brazil, uh, with this event in 1996. And this is another area

00:24:32.280 too, uh, when it comes to, uh, the nature of aliens. And I might be jumping forward and maybe

00:24:37.380 answering some of your questions here too, Allie. A lot of people will ask, well, what are aliens?

00:24:41.780 Are they, are aliens just demons? And usually people tend to swing one way or the other,

00:24:46.640 really depending on their worldview. So you have somebody, and this is somebody who is,

00:24:50.740 he's not on the board anymore, but he's somebody who's been very outspoken when it comes to,

00:24:55.060 uh, the issues of, uh, UFOs and unidentified aerial phenomena. Someone named, uh,

00:25:00.620 Louie Elizondo. And he's somebody who I believe he's, uh, atheist. He's not a religious person.

00:25:07.240 So he would view UFOs through strictly naturalistic materialism. So the only concern he has when it

00:25:14.120 comes to this unidentified, unidentified aerial phenomena is national security. He doesn't really

00:25:18.160 have concerns about the spiritual implications. However, when you look at where UFOs end up,

00:25:25.380 usually people will swing the exact opposite way, which would be, oh, UFOs are just

00:25:30.620 demons. Where in reality, I think the most level-headed approach, and you can definitely,

00:25:34.700 you know, we can definitely unravel this, is that I believe they are interdimensional. And I think

00:25:39.560 the best way to view this honestly is through the lens of the incarnation where, you know, Christ was

00:25:44.980 fully God, fully man. There is this, there's no duality between them. And in the same way how,

00:25:51.580 uh, when Moses did, uh, did miracles in Egypt, how he turned the stat, how this, how, uh,

00:25:58.440 he turned the rod into a snake. Pharaoh's magicians were able to emulate that and do the exact same 0.96

00:26:04.480 thing. So I believe that there are these cat, these creatures do fall into the category of

00:26:10.760 fallen angels. And in many ways they can sort of articulate a counterfeit version, a counterfeit

00:26:16.380 version of the incarnation. So for example, when you look at this encounter in 1996 in Virginia,

00:26:23.040 Brazil, you have multiple witnesses who saw some sort of spacecraft land with some sort of material

00:26:29.960 that you could fold down and it would automatically go back into its original form. It was some sort of

00:26:36.220 very light base metal that they couldn't articulate. You had people that had encounters with these

00:26:41.380 aliens. You had somebody who was a young soldier when the Brazilian government got involved to cover

00:26:45.680 this up, who attested to handle one of these creatures. And they, and there's eyewitnesses say

00:26:50.680 something smelled like sulfur. And then one of the soldiers ended up passing away and dying in a very

00:26:57.760 short amount of time because of whatever he handled ended up, it was, it was consequential to ending his

00:27:02.860 life. And so you really see, uh, when it comes to conspiracy, something where it's not something you can

00:27:08.060 just sort of wipe away the broad brush. There is something really going on, um, with these sorts of

00:27:14.400 encounters that we can't ignore. So that would be my, uh, short and long tailed answer.

00:27:20.680 I'm wondering like, why are these encounters so much like Bigfoot or like the Loch Ness monster

00:27:36.820 where they're so slippery and like, why haven't we seen very clear depictions of this? I mean,

00:27:43.060 I know, I guess they're rare, but it does kind of strike me as similar to stories that we've heard

00:27:48.220 about these, you know, these other, uh, creatures. Like, why don't we have further evidence then if,

00:27:55.740 if they exist and so many people are talking about them?

00:28:00.300 Yeah. I mean, if, if, if indeed these things are fallen, uh, angels and they are there to deceive

00:28:07.640 people, I don't see why there would be, uh, a certain amount of evidence given for them to cause

00:28:14.320 people to want to repent. You know, uh, I think it's always going to be one of those situations

00:28:18.580 where it's that fine line between what we can see and what we can't see. Uh, like there's even,

00:28:24.660 there's even that story in the Bible. I forget which prophet it is, but there's a man that was

00:28:27.820 scared and the prophet says, don't be scared. Look, there's a host of angels around us. And then

00:28:31.760 the eyes are opened of the man and he sees the heavenly realm essentially where there's these angels

00:28:36.240 and these demons. And there's essentially like a battle that is actually going to be happening,

00:28:41.000 but they're protected right there by the heavenly host of God. So I think that these things are

00:28:45.100 around us. It's just something that we're not able to see all of the time. Uh, for example,

00:28:49.740 when Steven is being martyred, it states that he looked up and he saw Jesus at the right hand of

00:28:55.560 God standing, standing where standing in heaven. Uh, there's just something that's hard for us to

00:29:02.000 grasp as humans living in this material reality that heaven in this realm is not necessarily something

00:29:08.900 that is far off. It's just not where we are. If that makes sense. And the blurring of the lines

00:29:14.840 between the realms, like with fallen angels and taking on forms, we have precedent of that in

00:29:20.500 scripture. We see that actually happening. Uh, there's theophanies, right? Where I would say

00:29:25.440 the pre-incarnate Christ takes on flesh and even appears to Abraham. I'd say he is the one who also

00:29:29.940 appeared to Gideon in whom Gideon gave a sacrifice to, but also in Ezekiel, we see the forms of angels and

00:29:35.640 heavenly beings that are descriptive, very descriptive to like modern UAPs and UFOs that

00:29:40.240 are taking forms as molten glowing balls of fire that dash to and fro like lightning things that we

00:29:46.680 are seeing even to this day. But in terms of deception, that's what the enemy looks to do.

00:29:53.080 I mean, there's a reason why Paul in Titus actually, one of his pastoral epistles states this,

00:29:57.400 he says, therefore rebuke them sharply that they may be sound in the faith, not devoting themselves to

00:30:01.200 Jewish myths and the commands of people who turn away from the truth. When we start dabbling

00:30:05.580 in the forms of, well, who exactly are the Nephilim? And then going to the book of Enoch,

00:30:09.760 I think that Paul is referring to something like the book of Enoch here, Jewish myths that are

00:30:14.160 turning people away from the truth. Uh, we have the ability to fall into a hole and stay there,

00:30:19.620 uh, and not come out. And we shouldn't have that, uh, mindset. We don't have just Genesis six. We have

00:30:25.300 the whole, uh, council of God here to try to keep our relationship with God in check. And it's

00:30:30.320 important to understand that. So when we're looking at, Oh, go ahead. You can,

00:30:34.240 you can add to that if you want to Jeremiah. Um, no, I'll let you go ahead.

00:30:37.980 Well, I was just going to ask, like, we talked about the U S government and these different kinds

00:30:41.740 of encounters and if they really are like fallen angels, do you think then, like, if you're looking

00:30:47.580 at something like area 51, that the government knows something that it's not telling us, or is

00:30:53.960 the government being what it is? Like, do they even know? Like, do they even have any real idea?

00:30:59.880 Maybe they're not covering anything up. Cause it's hard for me to understand how they would even

00:31:03.540 discern anything that has spiritual implications. I don't know. Like, what do you think is going on

00:31:09.080 with government possible coverup and things like that? Yeah, that's a, that's a good question. In

00:31:14.780 fact, uh, one of the stories, you know, we're talking about like Tom DeLonge and to the stars

00:31:18.340 Academy and his involvement with being helped try. He thinks that, you know, he wants to help the

00:31:22.840 government be more transparent through transparent through a lot of the films he wants to release and

00:31:28.040 debut. In fact, that was, that's what he was doing. He, I think he took around a seven year

00:31:32.720 break from Blink-182, uh, because he wanted to work directly on these projects with the government,

00:31:37.920 uh, to help them do these disclosures. So one of the reasons why he just rejoined with a band,

00:31:42.100 why they did the tour and did the new album, because he's pretty much done with that phase

00:31:45.440 and he's kind of back into the limelight of both being a musician, but I think he's also using,

00:31:50.340 utilizing, you know, him being, uh, back with Blink as a way to really talk about his belief in

00:31:55.940 aliens. You see him really kind of sort of proselytizing in the sense, his belief about

00:31:59.520 UFOs a lot of times from the stage, which, uh, happens a lot of times, but really one of the

00:32:04.460 other stories too was, uh, somebody by the name of Bob Lazar, uh, there, he was somebody who was,

00:32:09.760 I believe it's an engineer who worked in Area 51 and he is very adamant and he's had the same

00:32:15.500 testimony for decades that he saw, uh, he was designated to actually work on and, and analyze

00:32:22.180 this alien spacecraft that the government had captured. And there is this element that was

00:32:27.300 from, not from this earth called element one 15 and his, it's very fast. It's a very fascinating

00:32:32.180 story. Um, you could definitely get into it's another just component in the UFO conversation

00:32:37.060 when it comes to the relationship with the state, you know, this is something that has been

00:32:41.900 throughout multiple decades and multiple generations that have dealt with us. You know,

00:32:45.620 you think it's a totally different generation that dealt with Roswell than versus what we're dealing

00:32:49.660 with now. I think honestly, you know, the nature of government, the nature of state is that you,

00:32:55.700 they always want to be seen as the people who are competent, who know what they're doing in spite of

00:33:00.520 their incompetence, which is why they usually typically don't emit faults, even with all the

00:33:03.860 evidence right in front of them. I think they don't, for them to truly explain what this is, it,

00:33:12.460 they, in a sense have to explain their, uh, inability to be the ultimate arbiter of, uh, truth and

00:33:21.960 reality and to be the, for them to be the final measure of all things. I don't think the UFO

00:33:26.740 phenomena is something that they can truly articulate, uh, accurately and truthfully without giving up

00:33:32.240 their position of power. If that makes sense. Uh, Andrew, what'd you, what, how would you,

00:33:36.500 would you, how would you, how would you think about that? Are you, do you catch what I'm saying

00:33:39.000 here? Yeah. Yeah. Well, in, in, I'm thinking in terms of like area 51, uh, government technology,

00:33:44.700 things that we don't know. I mean, we have historical precedents with MK ultra that there's

00:33:49.360 things going on that we're not told about, uh, the government testing things on their people.

00:33:53.720 Uh, wait, just, you gotta pause. You just gotta tell someone, you just gotta tell people who may

00:33:58.000 not know really quickly what MK ultra is. Yeah. Okay. So MK ultra was a mind control experiment that was

00:34:06.300 done by the government. They actually, uh, were charged in a series of hearings. I forget what the

00:34:11.260 hearings are called. We did a few episodes on it back when we actually did it with a crossover with

00:34:16.360 sheologians talking about, uh, Charles Manson and MK ultra and the ties that are there through the book

00:34:21.000 chaos that was written. I forgot the guy who wrote it. Jerry could clarify Tom O'Neill. Yeah. Jerry's got such

00:34:25.960 a good memory. I love him so much. Okay. So MK ultra essentially was testing to develop a certain

00:34:32.160 type of cocktail that could be used in war to create mind controlled, uh, people, uh, essentially. And what

00:34:39.940 was going on is that they were luring people into these bunk houses and giving them high qualities of

00:34:46.780 drugs that would, uh, make their minds get a little bit loose. And they would, the government would then

00:34:53.540 give people like prostitutes to sleep with these men and then we'd start giving up information. Oh, that's what 0.99

00:34:58.660 they're called. They're trying to invent something called the Manchurian candidate. And that was the

00:35:02.180 person that was like essentially a mind controlled, uh, United States operative. But the point is, is

00:35:07.580 that the United States was doing this to our own citizens without anyone knowing they were luring

00:35:11.860 people back into these bunk houses. A lot of it was done in California where the, the FBI would have

00:35:17.060 like a, like a hole in the wall. You know what I mean? And they'd be watching through a hole in the

00:35:20.560 wall. And these people were getting experimented on without even knowing that actually happened.

00:35:26.500 Yes, this is real. It's called the church committee, by the way, the, uh, this is 1975.

00:35:32.940 Um, right. When they were, you know, actually questioning the CIA, this is real. Like the CIA

00:35:38.260 actually experimented on Americans, you know, basically blackmailed them in a lot of cases,

00:35:45.860 the Manchurian candidate that they could totally control. All of that is real. And it goes back 0.81

00:35:50.700 a long time. And there's probably, I mean, there has to be more that we don't know about. So anyway,

00:35:54.960 I know I kind of derailed us a little bit, but I just, yeah. So in terms of technology,

00:36:00.060 I mean, in 1964, the first time it was flown, uh, at least for us to know publicly was in

00:36:05.700 the SR 71, which can fly at speeds of Mach three plus at 85,000 feet. No one knew this type of

00:36:12.280 technology even existed then. Imagine seeing something like that, just boom, going past you

00:36:16.780 in the sky when you're even working in the United States government. I mean, the way that our military

00:36:20.200 works is compartmentalization. You know, if you don't have the classified, uh, confidentiality

00:36:25.700 layers to get to the top, you're not going to know what's going on. So the things that we're

00:36:29.040 going to see, if we don't know, we're going to extrapolate things. So with area 51, do I think that

00:36:36.700 they have extraterrestrial technology? I don't think they have extraterrestrial technology. I think

00:36:42.700 the human imagination is such a awesome and amazing gift that God has given us, but we use it to

00:36:47.920 search after other gods in order to think that we're not going to face judgment one day.

00:36:51.960 And I think the ideas of extraterrestrial life, give people, uh, a reason to not to deny the God

00:36:58.380 of the Bible and think that they won't face judgment when I, but the wages of sin is death and we will

00:37:02.940 all have to get an account for our sins. There's a reason why we die. Uh, the universe is not a place

00:37:08.700 that is essentially what it was before the fall. I think the whole world and the whole universe,

00:37:14.620 uh, was impacted by the sin of man, but one day it will be renewed by the power and blood of Jesus

00:37:20.960 Christ through the power of the gospel. Like first Corinthians 15 states that when Jesus Christ

00:37:24.900 returns, he has the keys of the kingdom over the father and death is destroyed once for all. Like

00:37:29.780 we've seen the book of revelation as well, cast into the lake of fire with the devil. I think the

00:37:33.800 whole universe will be renewed, uh, at that point. I think that's the implications and the weight of

00:37:38.000 our sin to, to believe something else denies, uh, the fact that we are so culpable that as image of

00:37:44.700 God bearers, we actually shed a broken image to God, not just to the world, but to the rest of the

00:37:49.300 universe. It's cosmic treason as, uh, R.C. Sproul states. Yeah. Yeah. And so one thing I also want to

00:37:54.680 say too, is that of course we would take, honestly, at this point, I don't get surprised by anything the

00:37:59.440 government does from any, honestly, any administration. It's like, how do you know, like, how do you know when a

00:38:03.680 politician is lying and pretty much my standards when they're flapping their gums? Like that's, 0.99

00:38:07.960 that's just, it's what I expect and nothing really surprises me anymore. So honestly, any sort of

00:38:12.880 official government account of what UFOs and aliens are, I'm going to probably take with a grain of

00:38:16.640 salt. There's even people, if you look at the whole Bob Lazar story who might even say that he was a

00:38:21.600 disinformation agent or maybe he was fed, uh, false information or maybe tricked into thinking that he

00:38:27.440 saw a spacecraft or maybe this, he didn't really see this element, even though he really holds to his

00:38:31.640 story and really genuinely believes this. I think it's really, you look at the fruit, like, where

00:38:37.400 is the, where does all of this go? Right? So you have, you think about the Steven Spielberg movie,

00:38:42.380 Close Encounters of the Third Kind. I want to just quickly define terms. I actually pulled this up

00:38:46.280 just so people will know the different types of encounters. And this is the collaborative evidence

00:38:50.740 across multiple generations, across multiple governments, across, you know, every, every different

00:38:56.100 lines. We're not just talking about the current Biden information, uh, Biden administration

00:38:59.980 trying to cover up a Chinese, uh, spy balloon, but really this is the term. So when a person sees

00:39:05.040 a UFO within 150 meters, that's considered an encounter of the first kind. And then when there's

00:39:10.720 an encounter with a UFO in the sky or on the ground and leaves evidence behind such as scorched marks on

00:39:16.660 the ground or, or incidents, that's of a second kind. And then when there's a counter and when an

00:39:22.740 encounter is with visible occupants inside the UFO, it's of a third kind. The fourth kind involves a

00:39:29.540 person being taken and experimented on inside of an alien craft. The fifth kind involves direct,

00:39:36.060 uh, communication between aliens and humans. That's a, it's called a CE-5, uh, Close Encounters

00:39:41.420 of the Fifth Kind. So initially, the initial appearances are tentatively physical in nature.

00:39:48.020 And because there are, there's, so example, when you look at Commander David Fraser had this

00:39:51.920 tic-tac encounter when he was a pilot and saw this sort of spacecraft, it was really a heat sensor.

00:39:57.280 He wasn't going out there to find a UFO. He just saw this. And in fact, if you listen to his

00:40:02.740 interview on the Joe Rogan experience, it's super fascinating. But eventually when you go further

00:40:07.360 down the rabbit hole, you look at the fruit, uh, and there might even be people in your audience,

00:40:11.800 Allie, maybe who had a background, uh, in the new age. A lot of them will attest that they had some

00:40:17.380 sort of encounter that was in Close Encounters specifically of the fourth and fifth kind where

00:40:22.060 they believed they were abducted and were being experimented on. Uh, those, that came about

00:40:27.520 directly by their involvement, uh, in the occult. And do you know what actually stopped their

00:40:32.600 encounter of being, for example, experimented on in this alien spacecraft? They didn't know what to

00:40:38.400 do, and so they're just trying to cry out. They're not even Christians. They call out to the name of 0.70

00:40:42.360 Jesus. Guess what happens? And this is independently verified. There's scores of people who have made,

00:40:47.680 who have given testimonies about this, the torturing and the abduction stops. And a lot

00:40:53.260 of times that initial experience is the catalyst for them to actually come to Christ. And then what

00:40:59.240 you end up having are called CE5 disclosures. And this is the case with everyone. So in Tom DeLonge,

00:41:04.420 when he talks about his whole progress of going down the UFO rabbit trail, he talks about

00:41:07.760 being out in the desert with a group of people and having, uh, doing, going through a process to do a

00:41:14.220 CE5 disclosure, then waking up at three o'clock in the morning in contact with little green men.

00:41:19.180 He's more than likely was working with someone by the name of Dr. Steven Greer,

00:41:23.280 who, if you've watched his documentary, he kind of goes into the initial aspects of government

00:41:27.920 coverup. But then the second part of it, it looks like some sort of ancient druid ritual from like

00:41:34.120 ancient times in some sort of old Viking movie where they're trying to do an occultic seance.

00:41:38.820 And then you start seeing these lights and phenomena in the sky. So a lot of your audience,

00:41:43.860 Sally might be familiar with, uh, Demi Lovato. Uh, she has been very much making the rounds the

00:41:49.220 last couple of years that she is almost sort of a pioneer and catalyst with this whole, uh,

00:41:53.980 pronoun craziness that we're all dealing with, whether you're binary and non-binary. Well, 0.94

00:41:59.280 her catalyst to get into that was her, uh, interactions with Dr. Steven Greer. She got in

00:42:05.700 contact with him and with her, you know, she is somebody who's made in the image of God who wants

00:42:09.360 to understand who she is. And she had this really, I believe a heart, uh, vacuum that only Jesus can

00:42:14.980 fill. She went to find her meaning and truth behind these CE5 disclosures. And she shared this on her

00:42:20.960 own social media where she's out with Dr. Steven Greer doing these occultic rituals and seances

00:42:25.920 and seeing this phenomena in the sky as a direct result of these CE5 disclosures. And she actually

00:42:31.960 even accredits a lot of her, um, you know, her different gender identities, uh, to these initial 0.99

00:42:38.720 CE5 disclosures, which goes back to what this really is, what ancient occultism really is, is ancient

00:42:44.860 paganism, which Paul talks about in Romans chapter one. And what happens when you engage in paganism,

00:42:51.200 people worship the creation rather than the creator. And immediately, immediately there's a swapping

00:42:56.720 between the roles of masculine and feminine. So what you actually see with Demi Lovato is that she,

00:43:02.640 what is happening with all of her issues of the gender identity and, and just her pronouns and binary,

00:43:07.600 non-binary, that's all a by-product of her initial pursuit to find her identity in these close encounters

00:43:14.880 of the fifth kind with Dr. Steven Greer. Um, so that's why as, as Christians, you know, this is something

00:43:20.720 that we should be afraid of. The idea, in all honesty, there's a friend of mine who just, uh,

00:43:26.000 lives here in Phoenix, sent me a message and they actually, there's something that showed up,

00:43:30.600 uh, something in a phenomena in the sky that is completely, uh, similar to a lot of other

00:43:36.700 testimony of seeing some sort of unidentified aerial phenomena. So as a Christian, some people

00:43:41.260 might see it like, Oh, that's crazy. Well, I saw it and didn't shake me like, Oh, I'm not surprised

00:43:47.300 one bit. I, so I think honestly, this is this whole topic is something that shouldn't be, I mean,

00:43:53.080 you have to work through it. Ultimately it shouldn't be taboo because everything, all the creation,

00:43:57.880 both invisible and invisible, they're created by Christ and for Christ. So I, we, as Christians,

00:44:03.400 we should have confidence that this whole discussion of aliens, demons, unidentified aerial phenomena,

00:44:10.560 this is, this exists in the universe that Christ is upholding by the word of his powers. So that's

00:44:15.920 why this is something as Christians, we can't ignore. Um, but something we want to face head on.

00:44:23.080 And that actually is a perfect segue into my last question. And Andrew, I'll just let you

00:44:37.740 answer it since Jeremiah kind of just did, but I was going to ask like, why does this matter for

00:44:42.520 the Christian? Because I can see a lot of people listening to this and be like, well, that's just,

00:44:46.860 it's just too much for me. It's kind of scary. It's kind of overwhelming, anxiety inducing. I don't

00:44:50.840 really want to think about this. Why do Christians, why should Christians really care about this? 0.74

00:44:55.840 Why should this be a part of our theology and worldview that we should have a reasonable answer

00:45:00.540 for? Absolutely. Because first Peter three 15 says, separate Christ as Lord is your heart and

00:45:05.960 always be ready to have a reasonable defense for the hope that is within you. And this is one of the

00:45:09.900 issues that we are being faced with today. We need to be able to have a defense, a reasonable

00:45:14.200 defense for what we are seeing with this phenomenon. And we need to be able to stand on God's

00:45:19.420 word and first have the Lord separated in our heart. Like Paul says to pray that our speech be

00:45:24.060 seasoned like salt so we can know how to answer any person in any situation. And we need to be deep

00:45:28.060 in the word of God in order to have that conversation with people because too many times

00:45:32.160 that large Christians shrink back from popular culture and we end up letting the secular world 0.99

00:45:36.600 interpret the evidences through their own presuppositions and come up with conclusions that

00:45:40.960 are antithetical to worldview. So we need to be well-educated. We need to be in God's word and we need to be

00:45:46.740 speaking out in the public sphere. That's why God commands us to. Yeah, it's it's kind of like when

00:45:51.280 the government doesn't tell you the whole truth or doesn't tell you when something is going on or

00:45:54.860 the media is constantly lying to you. It's no surprise that conspiracy theories crop up or you get these

00:46:00.580 false prophets saying, well, this is what's going to happen. This is what COVID-19 really is. And in

00:46:05.380 September, I foresaw all these things happening. Of course, people are seeking truth. They're seeking

00:46:10.760 clarity. People want to know what is really going on behind the scenes, what's being told. And so I

00:46:16.660 think that's a really good point that Christians need to have an answer for it. We need to have a 0.94

00:46:21.020 solid answer for it. And not to say that we have all the answers. I don't think that we do. I

00:46:25.980 certainly don't have all the answers and what is going on and all the different scenarios and news

00:46:31.020 stories where they claim that aliens have been encountered. But I think the simple point that both

00:46:36.920 have you made about Christ's authority, that he has the authority over all of it, that everything

00:46:43.180 has been made for him and by him. And I just immediately thought of Matthew 28, 18, the Great

00:46:49.360 Commission. And Jesus came and said to them, all authority in heaven and on earth has been given

00:46:54.140 to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and

00:46:58.700 the Son and of the Holy Spirit. So having both the right and the responsibility because of Jesus's

00:47:04.600 authority to make disciples. I think that is also a comfort in all of this. There's a lot of mystery

00:47:11.480 in the world. There's a lot of confusion, but we don't have to wonder. Isn't that the greatest thing?

00:47:16.540 We don't have to wonder who is in charge. Our kids, when something happens, they get lost in a

00:47:21.540 water park or something like that. They want to know where their parent is. They might not have all of

00:47:25.920 the answers about where they are, where they're going, or what's going on around them. As long as they

00:47:30.320 can find mom and dad, they feel safe. And that just gives me a lot of comfort, what both of you said,

00:47:36.220 that Christ is Lord. He is the authority over all of this. I don't have to have all the answers,

00:47:40.520 but I do need to be as prepared as possible to give a reasonable and Christ-filled response.

00:47:45.800 Absolutely. And if anyone wants to know about any of the further content that we have,

00:47:49.700 we've done multiple episodes on our podcast regarding the UFO and alien phenomenon question.

00:47:54.840 And in fact, by the time you drop this episode, we're going to have a little sort of mini-series

00:48:00.040 called Alien Revelations. It's going to be season one. It's the first time we've ever done something

00:48:04.500 like this, where we have eight to nine episodes. And it's actually narrated by our friend,

00:48:08.900 Colin Simul. Just real quick, the Cliff Notes story is that he messaged me right when Colt

00:48:14.080 started a couple of years ago. And we talked on the phone and he said, you have got to pay attention

00:48:19.400 to what's happening with Tom DeLonge and all these people who are like, you're going to see,

00:48:23.800 government, like the whole UFO conversation showing up in the news on a regular basis.

00:48:28.740 And people are going to be starting to bring into question spirituality. We have to embrace this as

00:48:32.560 Christians. And I said, okay, well, let's talk about it. Let's, let's figure it out. And sure 1.00

00:48:37.080 enough, a lot of what he initially talked to me about has come to fruition. And in that are a lot

00:48:43.160 of prominent figures like Joe Rogan and Russell Brand and Lex Friedman now bringing into worldview

00:48:48.820 issues as far as like, what is this phenomenon? What does this say about ourselves? What is the

00:48:53.300 nature of truth? So as Christians, we know that neutrality is a myth and we need to bring the

00:48:57.340 light and the hope of the gospel even into this conversation. So by the time you've actually

00:49:00.920 dropped this series, we're actually going to have a series available like on our podcast portfolio

00:49:04.980 called Alien Revelations is around eight to nine episodes that goes into the whole history,

00:49:09.760 even going back to the Renaissance era of like, where, how does this fit in with this

00:49:15.300 unidentified area of phenomena? How does it fit in within a Christian worldview? So again,

00:49:18.660 just a reiterate, this is something that as Christians, we shouldn't find taboo. It's an

00:49:24.080 area that honestly, Christians have not tackled as good as we can. I mean, if you look back to the 0.97

00:49:28.680 1970s, the only prominent figure I'm familiar with, who was even addressing flying saucers,

00:49:35.200 which they referred to a lot as that time was the late Dr. Walter Martin of who wrote Kingdom of

00:49:40.400 the Occult and Kingdom of the Occult. He's the only person I can really find from that area who

00:49:44.700 publicly lectured about. What do we do with these types of encounters? What does this say about the

00:49:49.980 nature of truth? What does this say about the Bible? And so it's something that whether it's

00:49:53.760 this or any other topic, no matter how taboo or fringe it is, we need to be able to jump it

00:49:57.720 head on. When Paul talks about tearing down every idea which is set aside against the knowledge of

00:50:02.400 God, he doesn't pick and choose. He talks, he says every. So I think definitely this whole

00:50:07.920 discussion definitely falls into that category. Yeah. Wow. This is so fascinating. I really do

00:50:12.840 encourage people to check out y'all's resources on it. Once again, something that we could talk about

00:50:16.780 for a lot longer. Thank you guys so much for coming on and talking about this fun and

00:50:21.520 kind of controversial subject. Absolutely, Allie. Always a pleasure.

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Ep 898 ｜ Are Aliens Biblically Possible？｜ Guests： Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant of 'Cultish'

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - October 30, 2023

Ep 898 ｜ Are Aliens Biblically Possible？ ｜ Guests： Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant of 'Cultish'

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Ep 898 ｜ Are Aliens Biblically Possible？｜ Guests： Jeremiah Roberts & Andrew Soncrant of 'Cultish'