Ep 899 | Do the Dead Watch Over Us? | Q&A
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Why do so many people say that their loved ones are watching them from heaven? Is that really true? What are my thoughts on postpartum depression? How do we reconcile relationships with people who have hurt us? Answering all of these questions and more on today s episode of Relatable.
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Why do so many people say that their loved ones are watching down on them from heaven?
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How do we reconcile relationships with people who have hurt us?
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Answering all of these questions and more on today's episode of Relatable, which is
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brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Hope everyone is having a wonderful day and week so far.
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Okay, we've got a Q&A episode today answering all of your fascinating questions.
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The first question that I want to answer is, why do so many Christians say their loved ones
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This is a very popular idea, not just within Christianity, but I would say kind of culture
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at large, believing that after your loved ones die, that they're watching you, that they're
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And there's a sense of comfort that comes from that.
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I mean, there have been many testimonies of people who say that after a loved one died,
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that they have dreams about their loved ones speaking to them, that it almost feels like
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some kind of visitation, or that your loved one who died maybe becomes your guardian angel.
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They're making sure that things work out in your life, or they're kind of like a spirit
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And while all of these things may feel comforting, there's not actually any biblical precedence for
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So I'll look at a few passages that some people use to try to say that the Bible does indicate
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that dead people can see us from the afterlife, can see us from heaven, and therefore we can
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Or they might even use these passages for the justification of the Catholic belief that
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saints who are in heaven, or even Mary who is in heaven, can deliver our prayers, can hear
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our prayers and deliver them to God, which is not what Protestants believe because we don't
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But sticking with this particular question, can our loved ones look down and see us if
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Some use Hebrews 12, 1, therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses,
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let us throw off the sin that entangles, run the race, marked out for us.
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I'm paraphrasing that last part, but the important part, surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses.
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And people use that verse to say, well, they're witnesses.
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Or some people might use the parable in Luke 16, 28, the rich man in Lazarus looking from
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Hades at the poor man who is being comforted in Abraham's bosom and is asking, please,
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can you warn my brothers who are still on earth?
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Can you testify to them about what I did not know so they don't end up where I am?
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Or people might use Revelation 6, 10, where the martyrs call for God to avenge their deaths.
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And so people use a variety of passages to try to say that people who are dead can see
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But none of these passages are actually speaking to that.
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If you look at Hebrews 12, 1, therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of
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witnesses, just like with all passages, we have to look at it in context.
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And Hebrews 11 is looking at the kind of heroes of the faith.
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And so the witnesses that we are talking about in Hebrews 12, they are witnesses to the life
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They're not necessarily or they're not witnesses of our lives.
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There's nothing in this passage that indicates that these people are looking down from heaven,
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that they are answering our prayers or that their presence is with us in any way.
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It's actually very clear that they are in heaven.
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And so these are people who have witnessed what the power of the Holy Spirit can do in
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And we look to their testimonies for encouragement, but they are not according to scripture with
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And then if you look at this parable of the rich man in Lazarus, who is asking, hey, can
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you please testify to my brother so they don't end up in this horrible place?
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Again, we don't see any indication that he is hearing the prayers or seeing his brothers
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And there's only so much that we can really draw from a parable.
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And then you've got Revelation, the martyrs calling for God to avenge their deaths.
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Again, there's no indication here that martyrs are actually the ones who are dead or seeing
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And so we just don't see biblical support for that idea or the idea that people become
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I understand that there are things that we say to try to comfort ourselves in death or
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And I don't think right after death is the time to correct someone's theology in that
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I do think it's important to talk about in general.
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I don't think we should just say, well, whatever makes someone feel good, because look, theology
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And so it's important to correct our theology on this, although I do think that there is
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The reality is, and this is where the real comfort comes from, usually like false teachings,
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They indicate our need for something that can really only be found in Christ, something that
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And so if what you are seeking, if what you are needing is comfort, is presence, is guidance,
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And you like the idea of that coming from a higher, like ethereal being that can see more
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I mean, there is a reason, many reasons why God refers to himself as our father if we have
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Psalm 139 says that he purposed, planned every single day of our life before any of
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We see in scripture that he knows everything, that he sees everything, that he is not limited
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by time or space, that he actually is suspended in the eternal now, meaning that he is not limited
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He's not on this linear timeline that you and I are, something that we can't even fully
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comprehend, because right now we are, you know, limited by those constraints that God is not
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So it's hard for us to even understand the eternality of his character.
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But wow, if we're looking for power, like if we're looking for providence, if we are looking
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to be comforted by something that is bigger, that is greater than us, that is mysterious,
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and yet loves us and knows us and cares about what's best for us, then let's look to God
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himself, whom we can have an intimate relationship with through Christ, who brings to us through
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his death and resurrection by grace, through faith, reconciliation with the Holy God, restoration
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And it is uncomfortable to think about, wow, our loved one who we loved so much here on
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earth, who we knew so well that they are in heaven and they're preoccupied with something
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If they are in heaven, they are totally and completely and joyfully consumed by the worship
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We don't want them to be worried with the anxieties of this life.
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And if they are in the presence of Christ, they've got a lot going on.
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They've got a lot going on that doesn't have to do with us.
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Now we will recognize our loved ones in heaven.
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So there is, there may be, you know, joyous reunions there, but if you want to take comfort
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in one, your own providence and someone who's watching out for you, take comfort Christian in
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that there is a God who sees you and knows you and loves you very much.
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And Romans 8, 28 says that he's working all things together for the good of those who love
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But in the end, all things work together for the good of those who love him and for the glory
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The other piece of comfort that we should have rather than thinking that our loved ones
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are somehow intertwined in our lives is that they are consumed by the glory and the peace
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of God finally and fully and are fully whole and fully healed.
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And they don't have to mess with the temporal worries that we have here on earth.
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So typically like the longings that are superficially fulfilled by false doctrines, they speak to
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something that we actually need, but are always much more profoundly answered and satisfied
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by the truth and what the gospel actually brings us.
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And again, a time and a place for that kind of correction, but it absolutely does matter.
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Let us not put our hope and our comfort in lesser things when Christ is the one who fully satisfies.
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Thoughts on, this is different, you know, lots of variety here.
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So postpartum depression is a thing I think that we have neglected, probably ignored and
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minimized for a while, but that is talked about a lot more.
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Now, I do want to, I do want to differentiate and I'm not speaking as a psychologist or psychiatrist
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I'm also speaking as someone who interviews and talks to a lot of very learned experts in
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this field because unfortunately, psychology, psychiatry, it's all become political.
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And so there are conversations to be had about the pharmaceutical companies and about the
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marketing and about the medical industry and how all of these things play into the different
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diagnoses that we are told that we have and all of that.
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So as I say my opinion, I'm speaking as someone who is just an amateur myself, just a, you
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know, a normal plebe, but who cares about that stuff and who has had children.
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So, um, I do think postpartum depression is an important thing to name, an important thing
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At the same time, I don't want to medicalize something that is normal.
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It is normal for you to feel very emotional, even teary and stressed and tired in the postpartum
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period that now just wait, I'm not minimizing real actual depression.
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But I am telling you just because you feel those things, just because it's difficult, just because
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you might even feel like sometimes you're losing your mind does not mean that you have
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medical diagnosis, does not necessarily mean that you need to go on any kind of medication.
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Maybe you need to see a counselor just in general.
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I think some, as long as it's a biblical counselor, that can be a good idea.
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That's probably the biggest thing that I see that moms, after they give birth, they won't
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Don't do the things that don't have to be done.
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So maybe all those things are true, but also don't make yourself even more anxious with
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trying to diagnose yourself with something when maybe it's not really a diagnosis.
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It is very, very normal, very common, and I think very okay for you to go through a period
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Not just because, wow, you've had so much physical change over the past few months and
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over just the past few days if you just gave birth.
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And not just that, but there's a lot of emotions that don't even have to do with hormones that
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Oh my goodness, that's such a significant period in your life.
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There's probably a lot of pain, maybe a lot of hardship, a lot of stress, a lot of adrenaline,
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a lot of maybe fear, and then a whole lot of happiness and a whole lot of love and a
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Like no matter what you're going through, if you have a combination of all of those things
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within like a 24-hour period, that is going to be very significant.
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So if you feel a little bit jarred after that, add on top of that all of the hormones that
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change, like when your baby, and sorry, a little graphic for the guys, but your placenta
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leaves your body and then you immediately start producing milk and breastfeeding, there is so
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much hormonal change that has to come from that.
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And then you're recovering possibly from an epidural.
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You've got medication, pain medication that maybe you're dealing with.
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You're still dealing with the pain after effects of that, whether it was a natural birth or
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You might be dealing with the pain of breastfeeding or the stress of breastfeeding.
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And then you're also, maybe you have other kids and they don't understand.
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They want to, you know, they want to be cuddled.
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And then depending on your financial situation, there are so many factors.
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So if you feel a little sad or really sad, like if you feel stressed, if you feel tired
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because you're not sleeping, all of those things are normal.
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I'm not saying that they're okay and that they feel good or that you should just ignore
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However, okay, so here's where I get to something else.
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There is a difference, I believe, in my amateur opinion, between that and the very normal
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ups and downs, emotional ups and downs, physical ups and downs of postpartum, which by the
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I think postpartum is like a year plus, by the way.
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I think that that whole hormonal, mental, emotional, even spiritual, physical adjustment
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period lasts for a year plus, depending on how your birth went and stuff.
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But there is a difference between that, which I think is normal and should be dealt with in
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a variety of ways that maybe don't have to do with medication at all or even professional
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help at all, and then the depression, the psychosis, the anxiety that gets to the point
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You don't even feel like you can leave the house because you are so anxious about something
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You start having psychotic episodes or psychotic thoughts about harming yourself or harming other
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I personally haven't experienced these things, but this has happened to women, women who
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are good moms, women who are Christians, women who are very stable people.
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Something happens in postpartum and they are mean to their families.
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They feel an aversion towards the people who love them.
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They start acting out and saying things that are totally not in line with their character.
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So postpartum depression, anxiety, psychosis are real things.
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Where these things become so overwhelming, so persistent, consistent, debilitating, and
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seemingly unfixable, even when the external factors are all kind of like put into place
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and all of that, that may need professional help.
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And it's really important to know that there should not be embarrassment when it comes to
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There should not be shame when it comes to naming what you actually have.
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And you know, sometimes hindsight is 20-20 and you don't realize that you're in one of
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those, that you have one of those diagnoses or you have something like that.
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And now I'm not someone who is going to say, this just depends on case by case.
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And I'm really glad that I don't have the authority and don't claim the authority to this.
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I'm not even saying that like medication is always necessary in those cases.
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And obviously you have to go to your provider and see about that.
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But I'm just saying those things do need to be addressed.
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And you need more than anything in that moment when you realize this has gone too far.
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I can't even function at all like a normal human.
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You need, first of all, someone else beside you to take that seriously, very seriously.
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You are a great mom and we are going to get you the help that you need.
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Looking back at my last two births, as I'm recording this, I don't know when it's going
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I'm pregnant, so I haven't had my third baby yet.
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But looking back at my first two births, I realized that my first one, I don't know.
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I still don't know if I had official postpartum depression and anxiety.
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But comparing now, now that I can compare after my first birth and after my second, I realize
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that how I felt after my first birth, I was really, really low.
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And I think I just thought that it was baby blues.
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And now looking back at how much I was crying, how debilitating my anxiety was, how constantly
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scared I was that something was going to happen to my baby, that I was one of those people
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I was one of those people that did not want to leave my house.
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I was one of those people that was so scared that someone was going to touch her and get
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I was so like germaphobic, which, okay, that's okay.
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I guess to some degree, you do want to protect your child from those things.
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But it was to the point to where I could not enjoy anything.
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I couldn't enjoy other people interacting with my child.
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I couldn't enjoy leaving my child and resting and doing what I needed to do.
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I had that instant connection of just overwhelming love.
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And I know some people like struggle with that, depending on how the birth went.
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I had the immediate love, the immediate connection, the immediate feeling of just like protection
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But with my first, I was so, so anxious and just so down.
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And I think I had like a traumatic birth that didn't go how I wanted it to.
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And then with my second, like I felt good physically.
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Physically, I felt really good after my second one, like the day off.
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I dealt with like a lot of pain in my recovery with my first.
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Like my husband noted like right after I had the second, like, wow, like you are different.
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You're so much more, you're so much more okay than after our first, even like how I was walking,
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how I was talking, how I was dealing with things.
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And I didn't go through that constant like, oh my gosh, I can't leave the house.
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And it wasn't until I had that postpartum experience that I looked back at my first and
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But I also didn't realize, and this is something that y'all can look into.
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I don't have the study in front of me, but pitocin, that's the synthetic form of oxytocin,
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which is what your body is creating in lots of different situations, but requires for
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But pitocin is something that they can give you intravenously to cause contractions, whether
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you are after birth, whether you're trying to eject the placenta or after birth, if they're
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trying to get you to stop bleeding or during birth, like if you're getting induced and you
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Pitocin can actually increase your chances of postpartum depression.
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I don't know exactly scientifically why that is.
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I'm guessing it's just inserting a synthetic hormone into your body.
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It can have a particular reaction, a particular response.
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Not very much of it, but I had it for a few hours.
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So I don't know if for me that was a contributor or if it was just my second child and that's
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just, you know, how I, it was just easier because you're like, oh, I have a track record
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I think I can do it a second time or what it was.
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So anyway, that's my long-winded answer about postpartum depression and my personal experiences.
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Um, but yeah, I, I would just, I would just encourage you one to not dwell on it too much
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if you just have like normal baby blues, but two to take stock of your emotions and to take
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stock of your thoughts and to take stock of like how you're really doing and have someone
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in your life, whether it's your spouse, whether it's your mom, whether it's your sister or
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And look, if you're about to give birth, maybe go ahead and tell that person now, whoever your
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person is, um, Hey, like, I'm going to need you to be kind of like, I need you to like,
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I need you to like, make sure that I'm doing okay.
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Because you might not always be the best indicator of that because sometimes we're too close to
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So you need someone to be able to zoom out who really knows you.
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Um, especially if someone knew you in your last births and things like that.
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Uh, the Catholic church for a while was, I'm not Catholic, but I know that they were for
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a while totally against cremation because of the doctrine or because of the, um, biblical
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But I'm not, I don't think that that is a good reason.
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Maybe that's not the only reason for, um, that's not the only reason that the Catholic
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So I'm not saying that, but I still see people, Protestant or Catholic kind of saying that today
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about the resurrection of the bodies and that we shouldn't be cremated because of that,
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And so it's disrespectful to image bearers and to the design that the body has made.
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Um, you know, I don't, I don't know anyone in my family who has been cremated.
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I don't know anyone in my family who wants to be cremated.
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I don't necessarily think that that's the best option, but I'm not saying that there's
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biblical foundation for that or that I'm like authoritative on that.
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That's just kind of an opinion that I have that I don't know.
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I don't think I would want to destroy the body, but I, I'm not worried at all about the
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Look, there are people who, I mean, there are martyrs who were burned to life.
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So they were basically cremated and there are people who die in all kinds of terrible
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accidents where their bodies are basically destroyed.
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I think the power of God, if he can raise people from the dead, like he can make beauty
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Personally though, and I'm sure there are some other reasons that people had, I would not,
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So I'm going to tell, I'm going to let you in on a secret that we podcasters have is that
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we don't really listen to other podcasts very often.
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Um, I, now I love, there are other podcasts that I love.
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It takes a freaking long time to get ready for this podcast and then to record this podcast.
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And sometimes we're recording multiple podcasts in a day because I got to go out of town.
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I got something to do or I got maternity leave.
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I don't typically, and then after that, like I'm, I'm full on doing other things.
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People who like listen to podcasts and like mother at the same time, more power to you.
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I got to put my brain to like one thing at a time.
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Um, and so, yeah, that part just not possible for me.
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Um, so I will listen if there's like, I'll listen to Megan Kelly's podcast, which is amazing.
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Um, I will listen sometimes to Ben Shapiro's podcast.
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Or if there's a specific podcast episode that someone sends me, I will listen to that.
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But typically it's, I don't listen to a podcast episode unless it's like,
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Ooh, this is a subject that I really want to hear explained or that I need broken down.
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Or I want to hear this particular person's take on that.
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So, I mean, there's a wide variety of people that I would listen to for that.
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I mean, there are different podcasts at Blaze TV.
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There are other, the other podcasts at the Daily Wire.
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I've probably listened to like all of these podcasts at least a few times.
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It depends on what that person's talking about.
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If it's a guest that I really want to hear from, very rarely listen to the whole thing,
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Um, so yeah, that, and I would say that it's true of most podcasters and we all support each
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Liz Wheeler and I were talking about this the other day.
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It's just because we don't have time in the day.
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I honestly, as far as listening to podcasts, because I'm probably like your average podcast
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listener because there are the avid podcast listeners, but that's not very many people.
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I saw a Pew Research thing the other day that was like only 20% of Americans even ever listen
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to podcasts and a much smaller percentage of that listen to a podcast every day, like 5%
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I, and it's amazing to me how many people listen to this podcast every single day.
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And you listen to other, some of you listen to other podcasts too, which is incredible.
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I also, if I'm going to listen to one, I turned it on 1.5 times or two times.
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I feel like that's probably a bad indication of how your brain works.
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I don't think it's an indication that, wow, you're so smart and you can process things so
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I think it means you have a short attention span.
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And now if I try, I can't do it with Ben Shapiro.
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So if I try to speed them up, I can't understand them at all.
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But like, if I have to go back and listen to this podcast for some reason, I just want
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to like, you know, decide social media clips or see if there's anything in there that I
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And the fact like when you guys post screenshots of listening to this and it's on one times,
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I'm like, oh my gosh, they have to listen to my, what sounds like drunk Allie.
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I know y'all think I talk fast anyway, which I don't think that I do, but it just depends.
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Let's see how to reconcile relationships with family members who have hurt you.
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So reconciliation, I think can be beautifully redemptive, but it is not always necessary
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If that person is hostile to you and your family and your safety, true safety, I'm not
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just talking about like your emotional state, although that's important, but I'm talking
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about like really they're hostile to you, then you do not have to be reconciled to them.
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Reconciliation is not always a necessary part of forgiveness.
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God can do that with any like family relationship that he wants to restore.
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Um, but it's not always possible and it's not always necessary.
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The important thing is for you to release that person from your grip of resentment and bitterness.
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But you also did not deserve the forgiveness that God gave you through Christ.
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Whatever someone did to us, real or exaggerated, sometimes we exaggerate the offense that people
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have committed against us, but sometimes we're right on.
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They really have offended us and hurt us in some way.
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Whatever offense that someone has committed against us, it is nothing like the offense
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that we have committed against a holy God as sinners.
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And if he was gracious enough, it's the perfect being that he is to forgive us, to make a way
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for us to be restored, to be made new, to be made right before him and to come into relationship
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If he did that to us while we were yet sinners, while we were his enemies, while we were scoffers,
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while we hated him, then of course we have the power, the ability to forgive someone else
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whose infraction, whose offense was much smaller in the grand scheme of things than the offense
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that we committed against God by being sinners.
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And so that reality allows us to realize, I almost said reminds, but allows us to realize
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We're not as holy or as self-righteous as we think that we are, that we cannot extend
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And forgiveness does not mean that what they did was okay.
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It doesn't mean that we weren't impacted by that betrayal, that rejection, that downright
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wickedness or meanness, whatever it was that they did toward us.
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It just means that one, like we understand where we are orienting ourselves rightly in light of
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who we are in Christ and the gospel of forgiveness that he's bestowed on us, but also like who we
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are in relation to other people and how quickly this life goes by.
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And it allows us to realize too, that life is, it's much too short to be entrapped by bitterness
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We are not to be dictated by bitterness and resentment, and we are actually burdening our
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When we hold grudges, oh, I'm preaching to the choir.
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I can think of several people right now, not family members, but who have hurt me in the
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past, who I still, I'm like, I don't like that person.
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And I say that, you know, quote clearly, good person.
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Like I still see that person acting a fool and just being a slimy human being.
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I have bitterness against people because of the offense that they've committed to me.
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I have not allowed that part of the gospel to seep into my heart and to realize there
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is really no reason for me to continue to hold that against him when God holds nothing
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And also like that bitterness is weighing me down.
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It is making it difficult for me to live totally freely.
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It's difficult for me to be completely spiritually liberated because that hardness of heart is
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That heaviness, that weight that bitterness brings is still there.
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And that inhibits like a truly joyful and peaceful life in Christ.
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That's like a, I mean, that's a gospel issue in my heart and in the hearts of other people
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And the righteous will live on forever because of God's mercy and grace.
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And hopefully the person that we are withholding our forgiveness from, hopefully they will be
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God is going to exact revenge where he needs to exact revenge.
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He is not going to allow what someone did to you to somehow thwart his plan for your life.
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The power that they really have over you is the authority that they've claimed on your
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heart through the grudge or the resentment or the bitterness that you still carry for them.
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If you can talk to that person, if you can have a conversation where you really speak truth and
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love, where you don't compromise, you don't acquiesce, but you do show them that you care
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And God can use that if he wants to use that and he can bring restoration there.
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But the most important thing is, is that we allow God to free us from the bitterness and
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resentment that we are carrying because of the offense that they did commit against us.
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