Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 905 ｜ What's Really Going On in Israel？｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

00:00:00.000 What's really going on between Israel and Palestine? My guest today, senior editor at

00:00:06.000 large at Newsweek, Josh Hammer, is here to tell us all about it. He's going to take us through some

00:00:11.280 of the history of the Jewish state, and he is also going to give us some insight into what is

00:00:18.780 really going on, help us separate fact from fiction, as well as discuss how this conflict

00:00:25.440 is affecting relations here in the United States. A lot going on. We're not going to be able to get

00:00:31.100 to it all today. I also want to make sure that I give you my own Christian perspective and also

00:00:35.920 talk about this from a theological standpoint, an eschatological standpoint. We're not going to be

00:00:41.160 able to get into that today. Hopefully, we'll be able to do that next week. So today, we're going

00:00:45.300 to look at the politics of it, a little bit of the history of it, and hopefully, you're going to learn

00:00:51.380 a lot. I learned a lot from Josh, as I always do. This episode is brought to you by our friends

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00:01:11.140 Josh, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. So as my listeners and viewers know, I have been

00:01:17.840 on maternity leave, so we really haven't had the opportunity to talk about what's going on

00:01:22.280 in Israel. So I want to back up to October 7th, everything that happened that day. Now, a lot of

00:01:30.300 people might be thinking, well, the Middle East is always erupting in some kind of violence. Why is

00:01:36.520 this any different? Why is October 7th so much bigger, so much more monumental to people here in

00:01:43.160 the United States than any of the other days of violence that we hear about going on in the

00:01:47.600 Middle East? Yeah, Ali, it's hard to believe that it's been over a month now. I mean, it feels like

00:01:54.360 it was just yesterday. I mean, you know, you and I were talking off camera before we got rolling here.

00:01:58.780 I'm getting married in five weeks, and I'm getting married to my fiance, soon-to-be-wife, is very

00:02:04.240 Israeli. She was born there. Her oldest brother actually lives in the city of Neti Vot, which is

00:02:08.680 like three to four miles from Gaza. So, you know, this hit home in a very personal way, and in many ways,

00:02:14.600 the painful memories of that initial weekend are very much still fresh there. I think it's different

00:02:20.460 from a lot of other Middle Eastern conflicts for many different reasons. One is, you know,

00:02:25.880 a lot of the conflicts, as horrific as they are from a humanitarian perspective, and to be clear,

00:02:31.520 many of these conflicts are truly horrific. I'm thinking here of the civil war in Yemen over the

00:02:35.040 past seven, eight, nine years between the Houthi rebels, which are backed by Iran, and then the

00:02:38.940 Saudi-backed government there. I'm thinking of the civil war in Syria from Bashar al-Assad, a total

00:02:44.420 madman that has resulted in an astronomical number of deaths, roughly half a million or so.

00:02:49.720 A lot of these are sectarian conflicts that really kind of do pertain, I think, to the broader

00:02:56.320 Muslim world. You know, Sarah Palin back in the day, not a name that we invoke very often anymore, but

00:03:00.800 back in the day, she was commenting on the Syrian civil war, and she kind of had a funny,

00:03:05.340 snarky quip. She basically said, let Allah sort it out. And for many of these kind of sectarian

00:03:10.160 conflicts, there's actually a lot of truth to that position. Not all of these actual tragedies

00:03:14.900 really do directly implicate the United States' national interest. However, when you have 1,400

00:03:20.520 Israelis murdered, murdered in cold blood by a U.S.-EU internationally recognized terrorist

00:03:25.680 organization, which is Hamas. Hamas is indistinguishable from al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the other

00:03:30.580 kind of genocidal Islamist death cult. They make very clear what they stand for in their 1.00

00:03:35.260 1988 founding charter, where they call for the annihilation of Israel, the death of all 1.00

00:03:39.960 Jews, and ideally the death of all infidels. That's the term that the radical jihadists use 1.00

00:03:44.720 to refer to Jews, Christians, really anyone who is not of their particular persuasion.

00:03:49.020 When you have 1,400 Israelis murdered, thousands more injured, and 240-ish hostages taken, by the

00:03:56.440 way, at least 15 to 20 of whom are United States citizens, thus making this on its own terms the

00:04:02.920 largest United States American hostage crisis, at least since the 1979 Tehran hostage crisis,

00:04:10.080 after the mullahs rose up to take power and deposed the Shah back in Tehran.

00:04:15.000 This is a really big deal for the United States here. Israel is obviously one of our closest allies

00:04:19.480 in the world for many different reasons. We work with them extraordinarily closely when it comes to

00:04:23.960 intelligence, security. I mean, essentially any two ways that, or any ways that two countries can be

00:04:28.960 close to one another, we have that relationship with Israel. So it's a very big deal. It is obviously

00:04:34.120 a monumental tragedy for Israel, which is a very small country. 1,400 Israelis dead as a proportion

00:04:40.520 of the Israeli population translates to almost 50,000 dead Americans. So, you know, do the math.

00:04:46.300 That's like 16 9-11s if you really want to kind of go to an apples-to-apples comparison here.

00:04:50.140 But again, the fact that many American citizens were killed, the fact that at least 15 to 20

00:04:54.720 Americans, possibly more than that, are currently held hostage, and the fact that we have such a

00:04:58.800 close relationship with Israel really does make this, I think, a profoundly American issue in many

00:05:03.960 ways. Also, by the way, Ali, you know, there's been a number of attacks on American military bases

00:05:09.720 in Iraq and Syria over the past few weeks from Iranian-backed militias. Iran, of course, being the 0.95

00:05:14.400 head of the snake, they fund Hamas, they fund Hezbollah, they fund a lot of these Shiite militias 0.99

00:05:19.140 in Iraq that are attacking U.S. soldiers and Marines stationed there in the Middle East. So, you know,

00:05:23.560 unfortunately, some level of U.S.

00:05:26.380 involvements, obviously falling well short of boots on the ground, but some level of U.S.

00:05:31.120 involvement here, unfortunately, I think is necessary.

00:05:34.080 On October 7th, the images that I saw were of these paragliders, Hamas, flying into

00:05:41.920 a concert, right? Flying into a music festival, landing on the ground there, murdering people,

00:05:49.620 raping women, and then murdering them. That's what the eyewitness testimony tells us. What's been 0.99

00:05:56.400 unbelievable to me, and we can put up some of the images on YouTube when we have them, but

00:06:01.840 is actually seeing that paraglider used here in the United States by some radical professors, by

00:06:10.640 some progressives as a symbol of liberation, like the outline of a paraglider, like a symbol of

00:06:18.980 resistance, of oppression, and of colonial power. So, it seems like some people are outright saying

00:06:26.260 that that attack on October 7th and everything that it entailed, the horrific raping of women,

00:06:32.340 the murder of innocent concert goers, was actually justified in the name of resisting the oppression

00:06:39.380 of Israel. And I know that the people here on the left, that they've got wild ideas. I understand that,

00:06:46.460 that they're extremely violent in a lot of ways. I even was shocked by that. I was shocked that there

00:06:52.120 were professors, people willing to stand up and say, yeah, that paragliding attack on October 7th

00:06:57.880 on Israel, totally justified. I mean, what do you think about that? 0.66

00:07:03.280 You know what it reminds me of, Ali, actually? It kind of reminds me of the abortion issue in some

00:07:07.280 ways, because back in the 1990s, the Democrats were ostensibly the Clintonian party of so-called

00:07:13.460 safe, legal, and rare. Then at some point over the last decade or so, there was a book, I think her

00:07:18.080 name was Catherine Pollitt, who wrote this book, Shout Your Abortion. It became

00:07:21.320 less of a safe, legal, and rare thing than a positive good, to kind of use the language that

00:07:26.560 John C. Calhoun would have used to refer to slavery. It was kind of something to be proud 1.00

00:07:30.220 of, to promote. And that might not seem apropos to our current conversation, but I think it's

00:07:35.480 actually highly relevant, because the conversation on the left, when it comes to Israel, the Palestinian

00:07:40.100 conflict, and frankly, just Hamas, which again is indistinguishable from ISIS. It is a U.S.-EU-recognized

00:07:45.860 terrorist organization. And the conversation on that has shifted from calls for a so-called

00:07:51.700 two-state solution, the Barack Obama proposal of, oh, go back to the 1967 lines, the lines

00:07:57.620 before the Six-Day War, which, like all of Israel's wars, was a defensive war. The Arabs

00:08:01.960 started that. But at that time, it was still somewhat of an academic debate as to whether

00:08:07.180 this so-called two-state solution with the Palestinian Arabs ought to happen. And just as the abortion 0.99

00:08:12.680 debate has shifted from the relative safe ground of safe, legal, and rare to shout your abortion,

00:08:17.760 so too has the radical left's violent approach on the Palestinian conflict shifted from the more

00:08:24.860 defensive posture of Israel should make more territorial concessions, two-state solution,

00:08:29.200 all of that, to now they are shouting their abortion, so to speak. They are openly defending

00:08:34.020 the genocide of the Jews of Israel. And frankly, not just the Jews of Israel, but actually just the

00:08:38.460 Jews all around the world. If the folks are listening to the shouts for extermination,

00:08:44.040 the 1930s-era Germany shouts to gas the Jews that we are increasingly seeing on Ivy League 0.96

00:08:50.420 university campuses. I mean, Ali, I don't have words for this stuff. I mean, it's true that the 0.96

00:08:55.920 American university campus has been replete with total radicals for a very long time. That's old

00:09:00.660 tat, right? It's been going on for decades and decades. And the same way that in the late 1960s,

00:09:05.400 you saw some campus radicals fall in love with folks like Angela Davis and all these kind of edgy

00:09:10.880 far left figures with kind of checkered rap sheets and criminal history. So too now has the paraglider

00:09:17.540 replaced the Angela Davis-era 1960s logo. But I mean, to call this disgusting and depraved, 0.86

00:09:24.360 I think would be an understatement. I mean, like you, I mean, I follow this issue very closely for a

00:09:29.080 whole host of reasons. I have personally been surprised at just how disgusting large swaths of

00:09:35.060 the far left have been. It really kind of caught me off guard. I have not seen this level of open

00:09:41.000 support for a U.S.-recognized terrorist organization in a very long time. And you really fundamentally,

00:09:47.840 Ali, I think you kind of have to ask yourself, the same people that are calling Israel a colonialist,

00:09:53.540 which is obviously farcical and nonsensical on its own terms. You're a Christian. You know the 1.00

00:09:58.080 history of the Holy Land. The Jews are obviously the indigenous people. So that argument falls on its 0.50

00:10:02.980 face. But you have to wonder that if these these same people that are calling Israel a

00:10:08.280 colonializer or an imperialist, whatever, they had it coming to them. I mean, would these people also

00:10:13.260 defend 9-11 on the exact same grounds that America had it coming because we stole American Indian land 0.92

00:10:19.360 and then they should support the jihadist organization? The answer, honestly, is probably

00:10:23.220 yes. And yeah, yeah, it's terrifying, though. Simply terrifying.

00:10:27.260 Yeah. And I just want to read. So this was tweeted out from Israeli author Hinmazig,

00:10:34.280 which I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but a lot of people probably

00:10:37.500 follow him. And he released in a testimony that was released by the Israeli police from a girl who

00:10:45.820 survived the October 7th massacre. And this is really disturbing. And I almost hesitate to read it.

00:10:50.740 But I think that there are a lot of people out there who I've just seen

00:10:54.040 equivocate and kind of say that, you know, both sides are equally bad. Both sides need to be

00:11:01.520 equally condemned. The Israel is the same as Hamas. The same things are happening. 0.80

00:11:05.700 I just want to read you what happened according to this eyewitness testimony on October 7th. This is

00:11:10.820 one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. So this is a girl saying about her friend,

00:11:15.540 I saw the Palestinians bending her down, raping her and simply passing her on to the next. 1.00

00:11:20.080 She was alive when they raped her. She was on her feet and bleeding from her back. He pulled her 0.99

00:11:25.580 hair. He shot her in the head while raping her, didn't even lift his pants. They cut her breast off 1.00

00:11:30.940 and played with it. They just carried around someone's head as if showing strength, walked with

00:11:36.560 it like a bag. So when you see professors, there was a resident at Vanderbilt that I saw Libs of TikTok

00:11:43.940 put out. She put out the post that this resident had posted on Instagram and then who this person

00:11:54.700 was. And when I can scroll down to the name, I'll tell you who it was. But she had the logo or the

00:12:01.940 outline, the silhouette of the paraglider and under it the text resistance by any means necessary. So

00:12:10.560 when I see that phrase, which I've seen at these protests around the world, resistance by any means

00:12:17.780 necessary, to me, they are condoning, they are justifying, maybe even celebrating and glorifying

00:12:25.240 that horrific account that I just told you. They are celebrating the rape, the murder of women, 0.83

00:12:32.660 the murder of children in their beds. That's something else that we have heard from eyewitness

00:12:37.480 testimony is happening. That's what they're saying is good, is justified. Any means necessary to resist

00:12:44.080 this quote unquote, colonial power. You're talking about the horrific rape of women that these people

00:12:50.640 are saying, that's fine and dandy to them. Ali, you cannot be more spot on. You know, resistance by

00:12:58.020 any means necessary means resistance by any means necessary. I mean, if you are so deluded in the head

00:13:03.020 to think that Israel is kind of the quintessence of all evil, the same way that the Nazis viewed the 0.87

00:13:07.740 Jews as the quintessence of all evil, if you have that warped, distorted, and frankly, evil of a 1.00

00:13:13.480 mindset, then it logically follows that you're going to end up supporting Nazi-esque ends. If you 0.98

00:13:19.460 accept the ideology of Nazism or its modern day equivalent, which is radical Islamism, radical Islamic 0.60

00:13:26.780 terrorism, jihadism, you know, the Islamist Reich, frankly, has just replaced the Third Reich, if 0.98

00:13:31.700 your head is that messed up, then you're going to end up supporting genocide. You're going to end up 0.90

00:13:36.940 supporting extermination. I mean, it's happening everywhere. I mean, on the campus of George

00:13:41.440 Washington University, a school with a very large Jewish population a few weeks ago, the pro-Palestinian

00:13:46.940 group on the side of the library projected in massive letters, glory to our martyrs. I mean,

00:13:52.940 this is literally the rhetoric of the Hamas Youth League. It's happening on – this was in the

00:13:59.300 nation's capital. This is in Washington, D.C. You know, Russell Rickford, a Cornell University

00:14:03.920 professor, Ivy League professor earlier in the conflict, had this speech where he said he found

00:14:08.600 what happened exhilarating. He literally said that it was exhilarating to see exactly what you just read,

00:14:14.820 you know, these women being raped. I mean, just to kind of paint another picture, and this may be the

00:14:19.040 last, you know, graphic depiction, because enough is enough already, but it's probably just worth

00:14:24.540 emphasizing. You know, I'll just say one other story, if I may. I have a good friend by the name

00:14:28.340 of Johnny Daniels who's very involved in Holocaust remembrance organizations, and, you know, he heard

00:14:32.560 this other story from one of the kibbutzim, the settlements near the Gaza border, where the Hamas

00:14:37.440 jihad has infiltrated the home. They put a gun in a man's mouth as they tied his hands behind

00:14:44.960 his back. While he was still alive, they then put the couple's baby in an oven, turned on the oven.

00:14:52.720 They then took the woman. They raped her. They then murdered the woman. All this before in front 0.99

00:14:57.280 of the man's eyes, and only after he had witnessed all of that, pulled the trigger to kill him.

00:15:02.020 This is the kind of people that we're dealing with. I mean, I don't have words, Ali. I really

00:15:05.520 don't, to describe these level of actions. To call these actions equivalent to animals and

00:15:10.400 barbarians, I think, would be doing a disservice to animals and barbarians. This is the most 1.00

00:15:15.500 disgusting stuff in the world. You know, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who was heavily involved

00:15:20.660 in the U.S. campaign against ISIS in Iraq. He was there in Israel a week or two after October 7th.

00:15:27.540 He said that what he saw was worse than ISIS, worse than ISIS. Again, I just don't have words for this stuff.

00:15:40.400 What do you say to people? And it's, I mean, I hate even asking, but I know that there are people

00:15:50.640 out here saying this. I've seen it on Twitter. I've seen it a lot, even from maybe people who

00:15:54.680 profess to be conservatives. But they say, how do we know, you know, how do we know that's true?

00:16:01.120 Which is, of course, is a fair question about anything. How do we know anything is true? We

00:16:04.300 should always test and verify things. But people saying that that's not true, that Hamas wouldn't

00:16:09.940 do something like that, that that's all propaganda coming out of Israel. Like, what do you what do you

00:16:14.420 say to that? Well, for starters, Hamas sent a lot of videos into the open. They literally executed

00:16:22.220 this one Holocaust survivor grandmother execution style on her knees and then uploaded the video to

00:16:27.440 the grandmother's own Facebook feed. So, you know, the Nazis, Ali, the Nazis prefer typically to try to 0.67

00:16:33.700 hide evidence of their crime. So, for example, I was in Treblinka in Poland, about two and a half

00:16:38.340 years ago or so. It's maybe an hour, hour and a half outside of Warsaw. Treblinka was the second 0.98

00:16:43.480 deadliest camp for the Jews in occupied Poland after Auschwitz. I think roughly a million Jews met

00:16:50.660 their maker, met God there, tragically. And, you know, the Nazis ended up covering up their tracks.

00:16:56.260 There's actually not a whole lot left of the actual infrastructure at Treblinka because the Soviets were 0.76

00:17:00.700 coming in from the eastern front. The Nazis, what I'm trying to say, is they tried to cover 0.65

00:17:03.680 up what they did. Hamas, no such thing. They streamed it literally for the world. They were

00:17:08.080 wearing GoPro cameras. I mean, the paragliders who flew in to murder 240 civilians there in that music 0.65

00:17:14.420 festival near the God's border were literally wearing GoPro cameras as they had machine guns

00:17:20.200 just trying to take down and shoot anyone on the ground they could. They had no compunction whatsoever.

00:17:25.760 What's more than that? You know, the Israeli government has offered essentially to show the raw

00:17:29.960 footage to any journalist out there who actually wants to see it. I have not watched it. I think

00:17:34.880 I would be sick to my stomach, frankly, but I do have about I know a lot of people who have watched

00:17:39.360 it. And I think that anyone who works in the media business who wants to see the raw footage,

00:17:43.800 that option is currently on the table. So there's really not a whole lot to these claims. I think,

00:17:49.100 frankly, the people that are asking, oh, you know, did they really behead babies? Well, you know,

00:17:53.320 I guess I would ask this. Let's say they didn't actually behead the baby. Let's say that the baby's

00:17:59.280 head was not just rolling around on the ground, but they actually just shot the baby point blank in

00:18:04.280 the head. I mean, does that actually make it better? Exactly. Is that really the hill you want to die

00:18:08.220 on? And I mean, do they have a moral limit? Why wouldn't they? Of course, it's fine to ask,

00:18:14.640 is something true? Is anything true? But I think that from what we know, absolutely to be true,

00:18:20.400 as you said, through the materials that they themselves have published, it's easy to deduce

00:18:25.200 that they would stop at nothing. There's no amount of cruelty that I think they say,

00:18:29.380 that's just a little too far. Ooh, that one's just, that's too much, or that baby is too small,

00:18:34.820 or that person is too old, or that woman is too frail. Obviously, there's not really a moral limit.

00:18:40.200 And I want to go back to something that you said earlier, that it's not really just Israel,

00:18:45.600 that this really does seem like an attack on Jews around the world. And I know some people try to

00:18:51.700 separate, okay, it's just anti-Zionism, it's not anti-Judaism, but that's not what I'm seeing at these

00:18:57.620 protests. That's not what I'm seeing on college campuses. As you know, at Cornell, the students in

00:19:03.160 the kosher cafeteria there had to hide. There were students in Cooper Union huddled in the library to

00:19:10.420 escape an angry crowd pounding on the doors. This is according to the New York Times. A protester at

00:19:14.880 a rally near New York, New York University carried a sign calling for the world to be kept, quote, 0.76

00:19:20.360 unquote, clean of Jews. And then as you mentioned, George Washington University, glory to our martyrs 0.99

00:19:27.260 was projected on a building. And so I'm actually saying that Jews everywhere, no matter if they're

00:19:34.540 liberal or conservative, no matter who they voted for, no matter if they categorize themselves as

00:19:39.600 Zionists, that they're all being put into the same category. And it's not just Israelis. And like you 0.51

00:19:45.000 said, it's Jews everywhere. It's Jews here, that they are fearing for their lives, that they can't even

00:19:50.780 go to class in safety for fear of the Muslim and Muslim sympathizing students there, many of them, 0.98

00:19:58.400 who are attacking them and harassing them and chasing them down. So, I mean, this is much bigger than

00:20:04.280 just, oh, just a Middle Eastern conflict. I mean, we're already seeing the collateral damage of that 0.98

00:20:10.100 conflict here. Ali, one of the terms that you hear from these far left Hamas supporters, Hamas

00:20:17.740 sympathizers, whatever you want to call them, they like the term globalize the intifada. That is one of

00:20:23.620 their favorite terms. And sure enough, that is what is happening. The intifada, the war against the

00:20:29.740 Jewish state and by extension, the Jewish people. And then ultimately after the Jewish people, if you 0.92

00:20:33.900 really want to subscribe to jihadist ideology, the war against, once again, all infidels, it's currently 1.00

00:20:38.960 being waged throughout America and all throughout the world. I mean, we saw Paul Kessler, who was a

00:20:44.960 Jewish man who was essentially counter protesting a pro-Palestinian rally. He was murdered. He was

00:20:51.320 murdered in Ventura County, California earlier this week. You know, some people are calling it a

00:20:56.260 homicide. I think they're still waiting for all the details. But based on everything that we've seen,

00:21:01.920 it looks a heck of a lot like a murder. We've seen any number of other examples of this. I mean,

00:21:06.560 just the other day, I was looking at a jewelry store on 40, I think it was on 42nd Street, right in the

00:21:10.940 heart of Manhattan in New York City. It was a Jewish owned, it might have been Israeli, I don't 1.00

00:21:15.220 remember. It was a Jewish owned jewelry store, totally vandalized, windows smashed like Kristallnacht in

00:21:20.440 Germany all over again for literally no other reason than the fact that this is a Jewish owned 1.00

00:21:25.300 businesses. You know, speaking from personal experience, Ali, where I live here in South

00:21:28.860 Florida is a very large Jewish population. Every time you go around here, whether it's to a synagogue,

00:21:33.960 a kosher restaurant, Jewish community center, any kind of Jewish infrastructure, I have never seen this

00:21:39.020 level of security in my life. There are cops everywhere, which is a good thing, by the way.

00:21:43.100 Credit to Governor DeSantis, credit to our local authorities for being on top of this. But I think every Jew

00:21:48.940 that I've spoken with over the past month is starting to ask some really difficult questions. You know, I

00:21:54.100 think American Jewry, the American Jewish population for, you know, call it 50, 60 years after the

00:21:59.620 Holocaust, that was kind of the golden age of Jewish life in America. America and the world at large 0.99

00:22:05.000 was still kind of suffering pangs of guilt from what had happened in the Holocaust there. But the 0.80

00:22:11.740 memory has started to fade. The last generation of Holocaust survivors is now starting to pass away

00:22:16.440 tragically. And you've also had this rise of a far left militant intersectional identity politics

00:22:23.300 ideology that says that the Jews are an oppressor class in this intersectional Olympics game.

00:22:28.360 The Jewish state is a colonizer, all this stuff. And then you kind of add more fuel to the fire and 1.00

00:22:33.760 you have kind of increasing secularism. You know, the Christians in America, who are, of course,

00:22:38.080 the Jews' best friends, you know, declining church attendance. It's this really kind of combustible 1.00

00:22:42.660 mix of things, unfortunately, that is now seeping wide out into the open before, you know, for

00:22:47.500 everyone to see. And it ultimately is not about Israel. It really is not. I mean, the notion that

00:22:53.820 it's so-called anti-Zionism is not the same things anti-Semitism was always a lie. It was always a lie

00:22:59.680 based on the U.S. State Department's own definition of anti-Semitism. But it has never, ever, ever been

00:23:05.600 shown to be more a lie than it has over the past month, because whether it's the Cooper Union fiasco,

00:23:11.100 which was something that I don't think I've ever seen in my life. Ali, these Jewish students

00:23:15.140 in Cooper Union, the library, had to be evacuated by the NYPD via underground tunnel. This is happening

00:23:22.180 in New York City, for God's sake. This is the city with the largest Jewish population in the world.

00:23:27.440 I mean, including Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. I mean, New York City is a ton of Jews there, obviously. And

00:23:31.220 there are being it's just awful stuff. I mean, it's frankly stuff that I just never, ever thought

00:23:36.100 that I would ever see in my entire life. And it's profoundly saddening. And unfortunately,

00:23:41.300 we have no choice but to fight back to the best of our abilities.

00:23:44.360 Yep. Again, according to the New York Times, at Columbia, an Israeli student was physically

00:23:48.620 assaulted on campus near Tulane. A Jewish student's head was bashed with a pole of a Palestinian flag

00:23:53.660 after he attempted to stop protesters from burning in an Israeli flag. And then students at Cornell,

00:23:59.220 which we just talked about, live in fear that their peers will actualize

00:24:02.060 anti-Semitic threats. The term Zionist and colonizer have evolved into epithets

00:24:06.540 used against Jewish students. Ron DeSantis, Governor Ron DeSantis, had an interesting

00:24:14.260 suggestion for what he would do if there was a student here on a student visa who joined in these 0.84

00:24:20.140 genocidal protests calling for harassment and the death of Jews. Here's what he had to say.

00:24:27.700 When the blood wasn't even dry on the Israelis who had been massacred,

00:24:31.340 you had people in America going out protesting in favor of Hamas.

00:24:35.720 Yes. And that's like very chilling. Some of these people are not U.S. citizens. They're

00:24:40.440 student visas. So as president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're

00:24:45.600 out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home.

00:24:50.280 I mean, I love it. What do you think about that?

00:24:54.160 Yeah, I absolutely love this. If you are not a U.S. citizen, if you are here in a visa,

00:24:59.820 then you are ultimately here at our good grace. There is nothing whatsoever. The sovereign,

00:25:06.780 which is the United States in this context, the sovereign has the complete and absolute power

00:25:11.240 to kick out anyone who is not a citizen at any time for any reason. You know,

00:25:16.260 as Justice Scalia argued many times, probably most vividly in a 2012 case called U.S. versus Arizona,

00:25:22.980 that is inherent in the right to sovereignty. You know, your colleague at Blaze Media, Ali Daniel

00:25:29.340 Horowitz, has written about this at great length in articles over the years as well. You can kick

00:25:33.000 out anyone who is not a citizen at any time, no matter what the statute says, no matter what the

00:25:37.200 regulation says. Again, it is inherent in the very notion of sovereignty. I actually would probably go

00:25:43.560 even further than that. This is where I might lose some people who are even kind of sympathetic to,

00:25:48.060 you know, to my argument and on my side. But I would probably go even further than that.

00:25:52.160 I think what you are dealing with here, Ali, you're dealing with the rise of a fifth column 1.00

00:25:56.940 of subversive actors who despise America, despise our allies, despise Western civilization

00:26:02.780 at a level that we have not seen in this country in a very, very long time. It's really,

00:26:08.180 in many ways, just profoundly disturbing because the global jihad after the literal fall of the

00:26:14.100 ISIS so-called caliphate, the actual territory in Iraq and Syria, a lot of us thought that this stuff

00:26:20.000 was kind of on the decline. I mean, the Iranian regime, which is the most Islamist jihadist 1.00

00:26:24.600 government in the world has been, you know, they haven't been quiet, but they haven't been like

00:26:29.500 super, super, super active over the past few years. Yeah, they fund Hezbollah here and there. 0.57

00:26:33.180 So things on the jihadist front seem to be going relatively OK. And then this happens,

00:26:38.180 and then we see the people in Sydney, Australia, chanting against the Jews, the stuff happening

00:26:42.660 in the streets of Chicago, Dearborn, Michigan. So the global jihad is here again, and the enemy

00:26:46.920 is within us. There are monsters in our midst. And unfortunately, our idiots through their,

00:26:52.060 you know, globalist, liberal, open borders, immigration policies have brought a lot of this 1.00

00:26:55.960 into this country. So I say all that as kind of a preface to the fact that I fully support what

00:27:01.420 Governor Sanders is proposing here for kicking people out on visas who are supporting US-recognized

00:27:06.120 terrorist organizations. I actually think that stripping citizenship and denaturalizing people

00:27:11.560 for being open fifth column actors, openly calling for the destruction of America and our allies, 0.64

00:27:16.580 openly supporting foreign terrorist organizations, I think that that should probably be on the table 1.00

00:27:20.760 as well. There is some pressing for this. In the early part of the 20th century, we did this

00:27:25.060 many times for communist sympathizers. That's kind of a whole can of worms that kind of gets into

00:27:30.100 McCarthy and the Red Scare and all that there. But I think the situation is arguably dire enough for

00:27:34.860 even stripping citizenship, depending on the specific person, that that probably should be

00:27:39.360 on the issue or should be on the table as well. But at a bare minimum, I think, for these student

00:27:43.740 visas, yeah, that's a no brainer for me. Okay, so Jess, I just want to clarify, because there are

00:27:48.080 certainly going to be people who are out there who say, Josh Hammer said that if you criticize Israel,

00:27:53.300 then you shouldn't be an American citizen or you should be stripped of your citizenship. You're not

00:27:57.920 talking about criticizing Israel. That's correct. No, I am I am talking here about people who have 0.70

00:28:05.380 shown an open disdain and open abhorring for America and open support for U.S. recognized

00:28:12.160 terrorist organizations, open, violent Hamas supporters who say that they want to see the 0.56

00:28:18.040 destruction of America, the destruction of Israel and our allies, not talking here about, you know, 0.98

00:28:22.920 two state solution, not even the people that are putting up these horrific, galling,

00:28:26.100 depraved images of the paragliders trying to murder innocent people. I'm saying that if in a specific 1.00

00:28:32.540 fact specific case by case incident, if your stance is radical enough where you are effectively calling

00:28:39.740 for the annihilation of America to go back to kind of the 9-11, would you support 9-11 analogy there?

00:28:44.680 I think that something like that probably should be on the table. Again, it would be a fact specific

00:28:48.660 inquiry. I'm not saying this should happen in mass, but for the absolute worst of the worst,

00:28:52.780 it probably should be an option.

00:28:56.100 So just to bring it back, I said that there was a Vanderbilt resident who was using this

00:29:12.580 paraglider as a symbol of positive liberation. Her name was Dr. Ayesha Khan. So as we've talked about,

00:29:18.680 obviously, the rise, just the open, the open support of terrorist organizations, like you said,

00:29:25.080 also the rise of anti-Semitism, just blatant, absolute shameless, not even trying to, like,

00:29:30.360 nuance it or cover it up or even say, oh, I'm just anti-Zionist. I mean, you've just got people out here 1.00

00:29:35.240 saying, clean the world of Jews. It's wild. It is scary. It's wild. Like you said, students having to 1.00

00:29:42.220 cower in the library at a university, it's crazy. And yet, Corinne Jean-Pierre, White House spokeswoman,

00:29:50.520 said this. She said a couple weeks ago, she said, we have not seen any credible threats,

00:29:56.340 blah, blah, blah. And then she says, but there are real dangers to Islamophobia. So that apparently is

00:30:03.880 the focus. And it's so much the focus that the Vice President Kamala Harris, she just announced just

00:30:08.760 the other day, the first ever U.S. national strategy to counter what? Anti-Semitism? No,

00:30:15.900 Islamophobia. So here she is announcing that. As a result of the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel

00:30:23.100 and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, we have seen an uptick in anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab,

00:30:30.160 anti-Semitic, and Islamophobic incidents across America. And so today, I am proud to announce

00:30:37.140 the Biden-Harris administration will develop our nation's first national strategy to counter

00:30:43.680 Islamophobia. Okay, so she did put anti-Semitic somewhere in there. She did embed anti-Semitism 0.69

00:30:51.140 in there. But apparently, the major focus right now is anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian hatred. Now,

00:30:57.780 what's interesting about that is that in all of these rallies that I've seen, in all the protests

00:31:02.520 that I've seen, those that are pro-Israel, I have never seen a sign in these pro-Israel protests

00:31:08.240 or rallies that says, cleanse the world of Muslims. I've never seen even a Palestinian flag on a sign 0.99

00:31:14.420 in a trash can. I haven't seen Muslim students have to hide in their cafeteria or hide in their dorm

00:31:20.160 rooms. I haven't seen words, you know, projected on the side of a university that's basically calling

00:31:27.360 for the genocide of Palestinians or Muslims. I haven't seen that at any pro-Israel rally. I haven't

00:31:32.960 even seen any pro-Israel individual say anything that amounts to a call for a genocide or ridding

00:31:41.080 the world of Muslims. And so tell us, tell us why this administration decides to focus on something

00:31:48.000 which, in my opinion, is maybe the very least of America's worries.

00:31:52.420 Yeah, Ali, you haven't seen what you just described, because what you just described

00:31:57.180 has simply not been happening. I mean, I've been to many pro-Israel rallies, pro-Israel community

00:32:02.260 events. I have never heard or seen anything remotely resembling what you just described. I mean,

00:32:08.660 it's just something that is frankly not happening. I think the most offensive part of those remarks

00:32:14.860 that we just heard from Kamala Harris is where she cites Islamophobia as, you know, for far too long,

00:32:21.240 this has been a disproportionate worry, a disproportionate form of hate crime in America.

00:32:26.040 You know, we actually have statistics on this. The FBI Uniform Code of Justice, you know,

00:32:31.000 they actually keep year in and year out uniform crime statistics. And we know that consistently,

00:32:37.600 for as long as I've been following this, so it's at least five, six, seven years or so,

00:32:41.120 year in and year out, the percentage of religiously motivated hate crimes in America

00:32:46.420 that are committed against Jews is roughly 60 percent. So put another way, roughly every six

00:32:52.440 out of 10 religiously based hate crimes in America is against Jews. It's roughly 10 to 12 percent are

00:32:58.980 committed against Muslims. So literally taken on its face, there are at least five times as many

00:33:04.400 hate crimes against Jews as there are against Muslims. So Kamala Harris, I guess the polite way

00:33:11.560 of saying it would be that she has no idea what she's talking about. The less polite way of saying

00:33:15.980 it is that she is trying to gaslight you, is that she is trying to gaslight the American people.

00:33:20.100 And she's trying to gaslight the American people in all likelihood for very self-serving, 0.95

00:33:25.020 cynical, political reasons. At the very beginning of this conflict, Ali, there was that Tuesday after

00:33:29.720 the attack. You know, Joe Biden, to his credit, came out and gave a rhetorically very strong speech

00:33:35.560 in defense of Israel. In fact, I know from some friends in Israel that that speech was so beloved

00:33:40.380 over there, they actually started using it in elementary schools as a way to try to teach

00:33:43.920 English to the students. Now, those of us who have been around the block for a little while

00:33:48.300 knew not to take these words particularly seriously. It was, you know, with those kind words

00:33:54.360 comes a lot of strings attached. And we've now seen some of those strings over the past couple

00:33:57.880 of weeks or so. But having said that, because of that strong initial rhetorical support, we've seen

00:34:04.060 a lot of polls that the Muslim American support for Joe Biden has cratered over the past month.

00:34:09.680 A lot of kind of the far left wing of the party, they've lost a lot of support. And there's a huge

00:34:14.880 Arab population in Michigan. You know, Dearborn, Michigan, Hamtramck, Michigan are two suburbs of

00:34:19.440 Detroit. I think the town councils in those two towns are, they might be predominantly, but I think

00:34:24.420 they're actually exclusively Muslim controlled. I'm actually speaking on this topic at the University 1.00

00:34:29.220 of Michigan in Ann Arbor next Thursday. It's a large Arab population. I'm working on security for the 0.99

00:34:34.220 event for that very reason. I say all that because Michigan is a very important swing state.

00:34:38.060 You know, so is potentially Minnesota, where that's where Ilhan Omar is from. There's a large

00:34:42.340 Somali population there. So I think that they're basically just doing damage control at this point. 1.00

00:34:47.260 Kareem Jean-Pierre as well, very earlier in this conflict, around the same time that Biden gave that

00:34:52.340 good speech. Kareem Jean-Pierre, again, to her rare credit, by the first time I've ever praised her in

00:34:58.380 my life, she referred to the words that were coming out from Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar.

00:35:02.700 She described their words at that time as disgraceful and repugnant. She's done a 180 as

00:35:08.740 well. I mean, most recently, she couldn't even openly condemn the taking down of these hostage

00:35:13.140 posters. So the whole administration has done a very subtle 180 over the past couple of weeks.

00:35:19.400 I think it's really driven by domestic political concerns. Biden's polling obviously is in the gutter.

00:35:24.520 They're facing a very tough reelection next year. The very last thing that he can do is further

00:35:29.540 alienate the Hamas caucus, the Muslim American community, young Gen Z activists who are passionate

00:35:35.260 about the Palestinian cause, things like that. Yeah. And Rashida Tlaib, she's obviously been in

00:35:41.040 the news as well as Ilhan Omar, and she's being criticized for several things that she has said

00:35:45.900 over the years, but recently reiterating this phrase, from the river to the sea,

00:35:51.480 Palestine shall be free. Now, she says that is just, that's just a motto of aspirational

00:35:57.140 liberation, whatever. Tell us, what does that really mean?

00:36:02.560 I mean, taken on its own terms, it's calling for the extermination of the Jews of Israel. I mean, 0.98

00:36:07.240 look, I have been to the river and to the sea. I have been, you know, that's the Jordan River and

00:36:10.620 the Mediterranean Sea. You know, it's that, it's really not that wide of a country. The entire state

00:36:14.640 of Israel, even including Judea and Samaria, what the world refers to as the West Bank, even including

00:36:19.760 that, the whole country is basically the size of New Jersey. It's not a particularly large block

00:36:25.040 of territory there. Look, the problem with this, there are a lot of problems with the so-called

00:36:30.160 Palestinian cause, but probably the number one problem, and this problem is exacerbated and

00:36:35.340 perpetuated by the United Nations in many structural ways, is that they have never accepted the fact

00:36:41.920 that there is a Jewish state. So in November of 1947, the United Nations recommended a two-state

00:36:46.900 partition for the land of Israel. It actually was carving up a very narrow sliver for the Jews,

00:36:52.220 much narrower, ironically, than anything that is on the table today. The Jews happily said yes, 1.00

00:36:57.100 the Arabs said no. Ben-Gurion then declares Israel independent in May 1948. The Arabs invade for all 1.00

00:37:03.040 sides, trying to destroy it. This is what the Arabs and the Palestinians refer to as the so-called 0.88

00:37:08.400 Nakba. This is what Rashid Tlaib would call the Nakba, which is Arabic essentially for the tragedies,

00:37:13.340 the great tragedy. And when they speak of their right of return, they're speaking of their right to

00:37:18.900 essentially repopulate and ultimately reconquer the entirety of the land of Israel. And what that 0.90

00:37:24.880 means is that the Jews would not be safe there because there is no Arab country in the world right 1.00

00:37:29.540 now where the Jews are safe. On the contrary, it was in the late 1940s, early 1950s, where there was 0.99

00:37:35.960 a mass exodus of roughly a million Jews who were living in the Arab world in countries like Egypt,

00:37:41.180 Libya, Tunisia, and Iraq, who were kicked out of the Arab countries essentially acting collusively in

00:37:47.240 unison in response to the Nakba, in response to the founding of Israel. You know, my fiance's

00:37:53.180 grandparents were part of this, actually. They had to flee Iraq around this time. They moved to

00:37:57.800 Israel naturally. And this history has just been totally lost on an entire generation. But the

00:38:03.220 United Nations, they have a separate definition of what it means to be a refugee from war. They

00:38:08.060 literally have one definition under an organization called UNRWA for the Palestinian Arabs, an entirely

00:38:13.780 separate definition for every other refugee in the world. Traditionally, what refugee means

00:38:18.760 is that if you personally, if you personally are dissettled from the country where you were due to

00:38:24.400 a war, then you are a refugee. But if you resettle another country, your children will then become 0.64

00:38:29.440 citizens or, you know, or they're on a visa, whatever. In that particular country, your children

00:38:34.880 will not be refugees. The UN has an entirely different definition of refugee for the people,

00:38:41.060 the Arabs who were in Israel in 1948 when Israel was founded. According to the UN,

00:38:46.280 the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, they're all refugees. To this day, there are

00:38:51.080 Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, countries like that. And this is all because 1.00

00:38:56.680 the entire mentality is that Israel is a mistake and that we're ultimately going to reconquer it.

00:39:02.200 They're refugees because they're ultimately going to return. They're ultimately going to kick the 1.00

00:39:05.800 Jews out. So that clearly and obviously is the end goal. Again, Hamas is not particularly subtle, 0.99

00:39:10.960 about this. Neither is the Palestinian Authority, which is based in Ramallah and the West Bank.

00:39:16.640 They are oftentimes held out to be the so-called moderates when it comes to this conflict.

00:39:21.460 Yes, I guess they are incrementally more moderate than Hamas. That's frankly not saying a whole lot.

00:39:26.920 Mahmoud Abbas, who chairs the Palestinian Authority, wrote a literal PhD dissertation on Holocaust denial.

00:39:32.180 He was praising Hitler openly about two to two and a half months ago or so. They have the infamous

00:39:36.700 pay-for-slave program where they fund the families of jihadists who are, quote-unquote, 0.95

00:39:42.540 martyrs who kill Israeli Jews. So this is all predicated upon the ultimate repopulating and 0.94

00:39:49.180 reconquering of all of Israel from the river to the sea, which means that the Jews have no place to go 0.97

00:39:54.920 but into the sea, proverbially speaking, which means that they will be killed. 0.84

00:40:10.360 So here's the narrative, or here's what we hear. And here's what a lot of people, I think,

00:40:15.280 are confused by because, of course, this is what they're hearing from their friends on Instagram 0.63

00:40:19.260 and silly influencers and things like that. That the Muslims, the Palestinians, are the ones who 1.00

00:40:25.000 are indigenous to this land. And they were there and they were living just peacefully and happily

00:40:28.760 until 1948. And then Israel came along and stole their homes and kicked them out and killed them and 0.96

00:40:34.300 their mothers. And they created this state. That's why they're called colonizers. That's why 0.99

00:40:39.300 they're even called, you know, racist, white supremacist, all the things that we're kind of used to

00:40:44.920 hearing about people, about people here. And that they have been exclusively oppressing poor Palestinians 0.58

00:40:52.480 since the establishment of their state. And that they're, it's an apartheid state. That's what we keep 0.98

00:40:58.340 hearing. And that they are on the side of the white colonizers and oppressors. And that is why Hamas 0.94

00:41:08.060 exists. That Israel actually, that's what we hear, created Hamas. And Hamas is resistance. Their resistance 0.76

00:41:14.500 fighters. And they're just trying to claim the land that's theirs that was stolen from them. That is

00:41:21.620 what we keep hearing. And we keep hearing that Israel has only been an evil actor there, causing 0.98

00:41:27.800 trouble, hurting the innocent people in Gaza. So what's your response to that when that is someone's 0.82

00:41:35.040 take on history and the idea that Israel has been oppressing the poor Muslims that live there?

00:41:40.220 So there's a lot to impact here, obviously. Jews were living in the land of Israel for quite

00:41:46.940 literally thousands of years. I mean, literally thousands of years before Muhammad had his dream 0.98

00:41:52.220 and Islam was created in the seventh century AD. I mean, Jesus obviously was a Jewish carpenter living 0.98

00:41:59.320 in the land of Israel. He was living approximately six to 700 years before Muhammad and Islam. So the Jews 1.00

00:42:05.040 were there for a very long time. The word Jew literally comes from Judea, which refers to,

00:42:10.880 you know, again, that's the so-called West Bank today. And there was always a Jewish population 0.97

00:42:16.620 there in the land of Israel, even, you know, even after the destruction of the second temple in the

00:42:22.120 year 70, between the year 70 and the reestablishment of the state of Israel in 1948, almost 2000 years,

00:42:29.280 there was a continuous Jewish population there. The Hebrew word for it is Eshuv. The Eshuv existed.

00:42:33.800 There were always Jews living in Jerusalem. There were always Jews living in Hebron and Jericho and

00:42:39.680 all the cities that we learn about from the Bible. And yes, they were not living under Jewish rule,

00:42:44.880 but they always, always existed there. Now, you know, for four to 500 years, it was controlled by

00:42:50.500 the Ottoman Empire. And then after World War I, the Brits essentially take control of the area. This is

00:42:57.000 the British mandate for Palestine. The British mandate for Palestine was itself divided between the

00:43:03.080 mandate for Transjordan, which is modern Jordan today, and the mandate for Palestine.

00:43:09.180 Interestingly, Ali, this is all happening after World War I, the European powers carved up the

00:43:13.500 Middle East. It's roughly 1920, the Sykes-Picot Agreement. The mandate for Transjordan, which again 0.93

00:43:19.340 is Jordan today, was actually supposed to be the so-called Palestinian state. In fact, today,

00:43:24.740 the country of Jordan is roughly 70 percent Palestinian. The reason that the king of Jordan,

00:43:30.200 King Hussein, made a very cold peace with Israel is not because he has any affinity for the Jewish

00:43:36.360 state or the Jewish people. Far from it. It's because he is a Hashemite. He is an ethnic minority 1.00

00:43:40.840 in his own country, and he fears that he is going to be deposed. So that was how the arrangement was

00:43:46.160 actually supposed to work. Now, again, going back to 1947, 27 years after the establishment of the

00:43:53.260 mandate for Palestine, the UN proposes this two-state partition that would give the Jews a tiny sliver of what

00:43:59.200 they were initially promised. The Jews said yes. The Arabs said no. The rest, as we all know, is 0.99

00:44:03.620 history. And, you know, to give some just brief more recent history than that, every time that

00:44:07.560 Israel has ever tried, has ever tried to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinian Arabs, it has

00:44:13.800 quite literally blown up into their face. So the Oslo Accords in the mid-1990s resulted not long

00:44:20.560 thereafter in the Second Intifada, which until October 7th was the bloodiest part of Israeli history.

00:44:26.060 In 2005, Israel, you know, laterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. There was a Jewish settlement there

00:44:31.400 called Gush Katif. The IDF, the Israeli military, physically uprooted the settlers. They actually

00:44:37.580 physically removed the Jewish headstones in the cemeteries there. They took it all out. Two years

00:44:43.420 later, Hamas wins a bloody civil war against Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. And yet again, tragically,

00:44:49.000 the rest is history. There's been continuous war ever since. I'm just not sure, honestly, what else

00:44:54.300 Israel is supposed to do. You know, traditionally speaking, Ali, going back to the beginning of human 1.00

00:44:58.740 history, going back to the beginning of wars, wars end and the Palestinian Arabs still feel that they

00:45:05.880 are at war against Israel. That was the whole point of our conversation about refugees and the two 1.00

00:45:10.340 definitions of refugees and all that, the Nakba. They still think that they are at war against Israel.

00:45:15.320 Traditionally in human history, wars end when one side wins and the other side loses. And I, for one,

00:45:22.460 am hopeful that after the pogrom, the Hamas Holocaust of October 7, 2023, that Israel will 1.00

00:45:28.420 once and for all deliver a decisive blow, a pummeling of Hamas, and thereby essentially put

00:45:35.580 the Palestinians in a position where they are essentially begging for peace, because that's

00:45:39.760 probably the only way that peace will ever be achieved. Yeah. And there's something I want to say

00:45:43.700 to that. But a couple of things to know about the narrative that's been going on, that this is an

00:45:49.100 apartheid state that they're colonizers. I mean, all you have to do is look at a map. Look at a map 0.67

00:45:54.240 of the area and you'll see this one tiny Jewish state right in the middle of the Muslim world. 0.88

00:46:01.040 These Muslim majority countries, which are wrought by violence and oppression, by the way. And then you 1.00

00:46:07.380 have this one tiny Jewish state. If Jews in Israel are colonizers, then they're doing a really bad job. 0.92

00:46:15.880 If they are the ones that are oppressing the Muslims, then they're doing a really bad job. 0.96

00:46:21.580 I thought it was almost, I mean, in a sad way, laughable when I heard Ilhan Omar right after 0.64

00:46:26.800 Rashida Tlaib spoke, she woke up or she stood up and said that Palestinians have a right to liberty. 0.56

00:46:36.300 Of course, that's why they have a right, she says, to attack Israel. But even if Israel ceased to exist, 0.94

00:46:42.660 even if that small little Jewish state was no longer a Jewish state there, Muslims wouldn't live 1.00

00:46:48.540 in liberty. They don't live in liberty in any of those Muslim majority countries. There's not freedom 1.00

00:46:54.320 of speech there. There's not freedom of religion there. There's not tolerance of other views. There's

00:46:59.180 not women's rights. They don't view people with innate dignity. And so by liberty, she just means the

00:47:06.420 defeat of Israel. By resistance, they just mean defeating Israel. By liberation, by decolonization, 0.87

00:47:12.920 they don't actually mean the alleviation of oppression or the liberation of Muslims. They don't give a rip

00:47:18.080 about the Uyghur Muslims in China. This is all just coding for the elimination of Israel and I think the 0.98

00:47:24.980 hatred of Jews in general. And so they can use all of the, you know, critical theory language, progressive

00:47:32.540 language that they want to about liberation. You're never going to convince me you care about liberation

00:47:36.960 when they have nothing critical to say about the Muslims that are oppressed, enslaved, and murdered

00:47:41.560 by the people that share their ideology that are in charge in all of those Muslim countries. 0.76

00:47:47.540 Yeah, 100%. And, you know, another easy way of knowing that this has nothing to do with the actual

00:47:54.020 Palestinian Arabs themselves and has everything to do with the Jews and the Jewish state.

00:47:57.840 You know, every Arab country, all 20 to 25 of them around there from Northern Africa,

00:48:03.860 from Morocco to Sudan to the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq, Syria, they all could have ended this conflict

00:48:10.580 with the snap of the fingers if they wanted to. These are massive countries. They could so easily

00:48:16.340 absorb the Palestinian population if they wanted to in a second. Again, Jordan was supposed to be that. 1.00

00:48:22.400 The mandate for Transjordan under the British mandate was literally supposed to be

00:48:26.780 the Palestinian state. Egypt, obviously, could very easily do it as well. The Sinai Peninsula

00:48:31.940 is very sparsely populated. Gaza literally connects to the Sinai Peninsula. Why has President al-Sisi

00:48:37.040 in Egypt, he has been incredibly stubborn in refusing to let in anyone from Gaza, any civilian for 1.00

00:48:44.100 humanitarian purposes. He has not allowed in any refugees, last I checked. I mean, he's allowed some 0.99

00:48:48.680 ambulances to go in and out to provide medical care, but no one really has been fleeing to Egypt.

00:48:53.060 So, you know, why don't they actually want these people? Well, the answer is that it has nothing

00:48:57.860 to do with these people, that these people, the Palestinians, are just useful tools for them in

00:49:03.960 their ultimate war. And their war, as you correctly state, is to eradicate the state of Israel. Now, 0.76

00:49:10.300 you know, you want to talk about apartheid. Look, Arabs inside of Israel serve everywhere. You know,

00:49:15.940 Israel is actually so committed to, you know, Western free speech, liberal values that on the

00:49:22.180 floor of their legislature, which is called the Knesset, on the floor of the Knesset, there are

00:49:26.840 Arab anti-Zionist parties elected to the Israeli parliament. In fact, I've literally seen speeches

00:49:34.720 on the floor of the Knesset where you have anti-Zionist Arab politicians speaking out against

00:49:40.600 Zionism, which, you know, effectively means calling for the annihilation of Israel. That is how 0.99

00:49:45.340 absolutist Israel's commitment to free speech is. Frankly, I don't even think my own commitment to 0.88

00:49:49.280 free speech is actually that absolutist where I would want congressmen to call for the destruction

00:49:54.700 of the U.S. inside of the United States Capitol. I think that's insane, frankly. But Arabs in Israeli 1.00

00:49:59.640 society are represented everywhere in academia and medicine, you know, high finance, high tech,

00:50:04.840 everywhere you look, Arabs are all there. They have by far, by far the highest standard of living of

00:50:10.860 any Arab in the entire region. And on the contrary, in the Palestinian Authority controlled lands in the

00:50:17.400 West Bank itself, you know, if you want to talk about apartheid, they are the ones who have something 1.00

00:50:21.440 much more closely resembling anti-Jewish apartheid. If you are a landowner, if you are a landowner in

00:50:28.080 Janine, Hebron, in one of these Palestinian cities in Judea and Samaria or the West Bank, and you sell

00:50:33.080 land to a Jew, do you know what the penalty is, Ali? Death penalty. You can literally get the death penalty 1.00

00:50:39.060 simply for selling a piece of property for loaning money, something like that, to a Jew. That sounds a heck 0.97

00:50:45.220 of a lot like more like apartheid to me than an Arab getting on the floor of the Knesset in Jerusalem and

00:50:51.260 calling for the destruction of the very state that is giving that person his freedom of speech.

00:51:03.080 I think a lot of people don't realize that 18% of the Israeli population is Muslim. And they've got

00:51:13.200 about 2% Christians. I mean, if you look at what they call Palestine, I mean, it's just not the same.

00:51:19.340 You don't have the same breakdown. I think that there are maybe a total of 700, last I heard 700

00:51:24.060 Christians that are able to live in that region there. And of course, there, many of them are there

00:51:30.160 because of missionaries that went there risking their lives to go there. Most people understand

00:51:35.380 that the Muslim world is not tolerant of other faiths. And yet, for some reason, the Jewish state, 0.83

00:51:44.500 Israel, is deemed the oppressor, deemed the colonizer. So you mentioned that really the only way that this 0.79

00:51:53.440 is going to end is if Israel wins. And they're begging for peace. Some people are going to take 0.73

00:52:01.280 issue with that statement. And they've seen images, they've seen videos that really disturbed them.

00:52:07.460 They've heard allegations about what Israel is doing that has really disturbed them. And one of those

00:52:12.100 allegations is that Israel is bombing apartment buildings, that they're bombing indiscriminately.

00:52:17.440 Indiscriminately is a word that I keep seeing. They're bombing hospitals. That was the big story

00:52:23.360 a couple of weeks ago that they bombed a hospital and all of this footage came out. And so a lot of

00:52:27.400 people are saying, wow, why don't you care about all the Palestinians that are dying because of what

00:52:34.280 Israel is doing? Indiscriminately just bombing Palestine into non-existence. What do you say to that?

00:52:41.680 So first of all, the hospital incident, just because I know your audience has been offline

00:52:48.460 for some of the past month or so, that the hospital incident ended up being a massive blood

00:52:53.300 libel in and of itself, right? I mean, we actually soon found out that that rocket

00:52:57.060 came not from Israel, but from Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is an Iran-funded jihadist outfit in

00:53:03.280 Gaza that's something of a rival of sorts to Hamas. And then the rocket actually didn't even hit the

00:53:07.900 hospital. It hit a parking lot next to the hospital. I think I saw under 50 people died.

00:53:12.880 I think it literally might have been single digits as compared to the initial number of over 500. So

00:53:18.160 that ended up just being total and complete blood libel. Rashida Tlaib, by the way, 1.00

00:53:22.400 last time I checked, has not renounced her condemnation of the IDF for that particular assault.

00:53:28.180 More generally speaking here, it's important for the audience to understand what Hamas actually does

00:53:33.540 when it comes to fighting this war. Hamas has the most cynical strategy that any organization has

00:53:38.920 ever devised when it comes to fighting wars. They keep their own people locked into Gaza. We saw 0.99

00:53:46.040 footage earlier this month or at the end of last month of Hamas bombing the literal roadways,

00:53:51.760 preventing people from fleeing from northern Gaza to southern Gaza, keeping them in northern Gaza so that 0.72

00:53:57.180 they will be more useful cannon fodder for the IDF, thus ginning up more outrage in the

00:54:03.360 eyes of the world. Earlier this week, I saw the IDF was able to secure a humanitarian corridor of

00:54:09.760 innocent Gazans going from northern Gaza to southern Gaza. Who do you think Israel was maintaining that 0.79

00:54:14.660 humanitarian corridor against? Against Hamas, against Hamas's own snipers and bombers who are

00:54:19.960 trying to keep them locked there into northern Gaza. More than that, what Hamas does, and they've been doing 0.84

00:54:25.720 this for a very long time now since they took over in 2007, they put all of their weaponry in the most

00:54:31.840 sensitive civilian areas imaginable. They put the rocket launchers inside of mosques, inside of day 0.98

00:54:37.480 schools, inside of United Nations, UNRWA schools, supermarkets. I mean, they put them where civilians 0.99

00:54:43.620 are living. Hamas intersperses itself all throughout Gaza with the entire intent of making it essentially 0.79

00:54:51.080 impossible for Israel to go about doing its job and destroying legitimate military targets without 0.66

00:54:56.920 some level of collateral damage. Now, the IDF goes above and beyond to warn people to get out.

00:55:03.420 They started this strategy about a decade ago or so where they dropped these leaflets from the planes,

00:55:08.240 essentially saying you have X number of hours to get out. There is Hamas infrastructure here. 0.76

00:55:13.860 This building is going to be eradicated. Follow our close instructions. Do not listen to Hamas because 0.99

00:55:18.120 they will tell you to stay because they want you to die. So they've been doing this for a long time.

00:55:22.180 It undermines Israel's own military objectives, by the way. It hamstrings their own military

00:55:26.560 efficiency to give them that kind of heads up, but they do it anyway. So, you know, the Western world,

00:55:32.280 I think, fails to understand this. And when Hamas acts like this, when there are when there is collateral

00:55:36.520 damage and there's always going to be collateral damage in war, the tragedy of war, obviously,

00:55:40.600 when there is collateral damage and Hamas is acting like this, these civilian casualties are the 0.59

00:55:46.460 result of Hamas. Hamas is the one to blame for it. And, you know, I guess just one final thing that 0.96

00:55:53.740 I'll say on this. No one, look, you and I are both pro-life. We believe in the inherent moral

00:55:58.960 dignity of every human being. It's an issue I've been very passionate on. On the other hand,

00:56:05.840 historically speaking, when there is a war and war is terrible is one of the many reasons war should 0.99

00:56:10.200 always be avoided. But when there is a war, you know, this notion that the country that is defending

00:56:16.120 itself has to go this far above and beyond to minimize any kind of collateral damage ever is a

00:56:22.500 very kind of modern thing and kind of liberal modern warfare. When the United States responded

00:56:27.340 to Pearl Harbor with the Doolittle raid in Tokyo, bombing Tokyo, when there was the carpet bombing of

00:56:32.280 Dresden, Germany in 1945, you know, this notion that we would be kind of going building by building,

00:56:37.420 kind of microscopically looking for civilian damage and proportionality. It's a very kind of

00:56:42.120 modern way of approaching war and not necessarily always a good thing. But again, nonetheless, Israel

00:56:46.700 just goes above and beyond, beyond what international law requires it to do to try to minimize civilian 0.97

00:56:52.500 casualties. And those inevitable casualties are ultimately, legally speaking, at the hands of Hamas.

00:56:58.340 Yeah. Wow. I mean, there's just such a there's such a war against propaganda here, I think,

00:57:05.080 here in the US. And a lot of people just not knowing what to believe. And also with the addition

00:57:12.540 of AI, I've seen a few of the images that have been put out by, you know, pro Palestinian people here

00:57:18.460 that have been clearly AI. When you look closely, you can see that the hands and the feet are computer

00:57:23.720 generated. I saw one of this child that looked like he had just survived a bombing with his dead

00:57:29.560 mother laying there. And he's holding his hand up and he's wearing a Palestinian flag on his shirt.

00:57:35.240 But when you look closely, he actually has six fingers. Because one of the weird things about

00:57:39.140 artificial intelligence is that they can't get hands and hands and feet correct. And so there's

00:57:44.680 a there's a lot of scary misinformation out there that I think is leaving a lot of people to say,

00:57:51.300 well, I just don't know. I just don't know what to think. I don't know who to follow.

00:57:55.200 I don't know what to listen to. And so I'm just not going to care. So tell me, like, who do you

00:58:01.300 think that people should be going to for real information if they want to know more about the

00:58:05.200 history, if they really want to know what's going on there? And if they're really looking to say,

00:58:10.400 okay, what's the solution to this? What should happen next? Like, where should they go to find

00:58:14.180 that information? Well, I mean, the same number of individuals who have been putting out a lot of

00:58:19.720 very good content. You know, there's one woman, I think she's ex-NYPD, who writes, I think, for the

00:58:26.480 New York Post. She's actually written for Newsweek as well. Yael Barter, she has a fantastic Twitter

00:58:31.520 feed. A lot of like individuals like that come immediately to mind. Liel Leibovitz, who's a

00:58:35.820 friend of mine, he writes for Tablo magazine. He has been absolutely prolific since this conflict

00:58:40.320 started. He put together this whole website, essentially, of survivors of October 7th, basically

00:58:45.280 just going there to like hear their first person tales. You know, Trey Yanks, who is Fox News, is

00:58:51.640 on the ground reporter there in southern Israel, I think has been doing amazing work over the past

00:58:55.800 month. I mean, he's literally there on the ground. He's reporting right there live from where it's

00:59:00.260 all happening. Eugene Kontarovich is a friend of mine. He's a legal scholar who can explain all the

00:59:06.240 nuances of so-called occupation, of so-called apartheid, of international law of conflict when it

00:59:11.800 comes to what you and I were just talking about in Gaza. His Twitter feed is an absolute must-follow.

00:59:16.080 Eugene has also written numerous op-eds for the Wall Street Journal over the past month there.

00:59:21.160 And, you know, shameless plug, I mean, I've been writing and podcasting a lot about this topic as

00:59:24.940 well there, obviously. I'm, you know, Josh underscore Hammer on X. I've written a bunch of

00:59:29.260 columns about this. I'll have a new column out probably tomorrow morning on this exact topic there.

00:59:33.020 But no shortage of good information. You kind of just have to know where to look. As you say,

00:59:37.040 it can be difficult sometimes. Yeah. Thank you so much, Josh. I really appreciate you coming on and

00:59:41.760 giving your commentary as always. Allie, thanks so much.

00:59:57.260 All right, guys. Thanks so much for listening and for watching this week. This has been a great week

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01:00:07.800 wide open. So let me know what you want to talk about. There was a lot of things I wanted to talk

01:00:12.240 about this week that I didn't get to talk about because we were talking about other things. So a

01:00:18.840 lot of things I wanted to talk about that maybe you will discuss next week. But let me know. Let me

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 09, 2023

Ep 905 ｜ What's Really Going On in Israel？｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 09, 2023

Ep 905 ｜ What's Really Going On in Israel？ ｜ Guest： Josh Hammer

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Ep 905 ｜ What's Really Going On in Israel？｜ Guest： Josh Hammer