Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 09, 2023


Ep 905 ｜ What's Really Going On in Israel？ ｜ Guest： Josh Hammer


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1 hour and 1 minute

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Summary

Senior editor at large at Newsweek, Josh Hammer, is here to tell us all about it. He s going to take us through some of the history of the Jewish state, and he s also going to give us some insight into what is really going on, help us separate fact from fiction, and discuss how this conflict is affecting relations here in the United States.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 What's really going on between Israel and Palestine? My guest today, senior editor at
00:00:06.000 large at Newsweek, Josh Hammer, is here to tell us all about it. He's going to take us through some
00:00:11.280 of the history of the Jewish state, and he is also going to give us some insight into what is
00:00:18.780 really going on, help us separate fact from fiction, as well as discuss how this conflict
00:00:25.440 is affecting relations here in the United States. A lot going on. We're not going to be able to get
00:00:31.100 to it all today. I also want to make sure that I give you my own Christian perspective and also
00:00:35.920 talk about this from a theological standpoint, an eschatological standpoint. We're not going to be
00:00:41.160 able to get into that today. Hopefully, we'll be able to do that next week. So today, we're going
00:00:45.300 to look at the politics of it, a little bit of the history of it, and hopefully, you're going to learn
00:00:51.380 a lot. I learned a lot from Josh, as I always do. This episode is brought to you by our friends
00:00:56.000 at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code ALI at checkout. That's GoodRanchers.com. Code ALI.
00:01:11.140 Josh, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. So as my listeners and viewers know, I have been
00:01:17.840 on maternity leave, so we really haven't had the opportunity to talk about what's going on
00:01:22.280 in Israel. So I want to back up to October 7th, everything that happened that day. Now, a lot of
00:01:30.300 people might be thinking, well, the Middle East is always erupting in some kind of violence. Why is
00:01:36.520 this any different? Why is October 7th so much bigger, so much more monumental to people here in
00:01:43.160 the United States than any of the other days of violence that we hear about going on in the
00:01:47.600 Middle East? Yeah, Ali, it's hard to believe that it's been over a month now. I mean, it feels like
00:01:54.360 it was just yesterday. I mean, you know, you and I were talking off camera before we got rolling here.
00:01:58.780 I'm getting married in five weeks, and I'm getting married to my fiance, soon-to-be-wife, is very
00:02:04.240 Israeli. She was born there. Her oldest brother actually lives in the city of Neti Vot, which is
00:02:08.680 like three to four miles from Gaza. So, you know, this hit home in a very personal way, and in many ways,
00:02:14.600 the painful memories of that initial weekend are very much still fresh there. I think it's different
00:02:20.460 from a lot of other Middle Eastern conflicts for many different reasons. One is, you know,
00:02:25.880 a lot of the conflicts, as horrific as they are from a humanitarian perspective, and to be clear,
00:02:31.520 many of these conflicts are truly horrific. I'm thinking here of the civil war in Yemen over the
00:02:35.040 past seven, eight, nine years between the Houthi rebels, which are backed by Iran, and then the
00:02:38.940 Saudi-backed government there. I'm thinking of the civil war in Syria from Bashar al-Assad, a total
00:02:44.420 madman that has resulted in an astronomical number of deaths, roughly half a million or so.
00:02:49.720 A lot of these are sectarian conflicts that really kind of do pertain, I think, to the broader
00:02:56.320 Muslim world. You know, Sarah Palin back in the day, not a name that we invoke very often anymore, but
00:03:00.800 back in the day, she was commenting on the Syrian civil war, and she kind of had a funny,
00:03:05.340 snarky quip. She basically said, let Allah sort it out. And for many of these kind of sectarian
00:03:10.160 conflicts, there's actually a lot of truth to that position. Not all of these actual tragedies
00:03:14.900 really do directly implicate the United States' national interest. However, when you have 1,400
00:03:20.520 Israelis murdered, murdered in cold blood by a U.S.-EU internationally recognized terrorist
00:03:25.680 organization, which is Hamas. Hamas is indistinguishable from al-Qaeda, ISIS, and the other
00:03:30.580 kind of genocidal Islamist death cult. They make very clear what they stand for in their
00:03:35.260 1988 founding charter, where they call for the annihilation of Israel, the death of all
00:03:39.960 Jews, and ideally the death of all infidels. That's the term that the radical jihadists use
00:03:44.720 to refer to Jews, Christians, really anyone who is not of their particular persuasion.
00:03:49.020 When you have 1,400 Israelis murdered, thousands more injured, and 240-ish hostages taken, by the
00:03:56.440 way, at least 15 to 20 of whom are United States citizens, thus making this on its own terms the
00:04:02.920 largest United States American hostage crisis, at least since the 1979 Tehran hostage crisis,
00:04:10.080 after the mullahs rose up to take power and deposed the Shah back in Tehran.
00:04:15.000 This is a really big deal for the United States here. Israel is obviously one of our closest allies
00:04:19.480 in the world for many different reasons. We work with them extraordinarily closely when it comes to
00:04:23.960 intelligence, security. I mean, essentially any two ways that, or any ways that two countries can be
00:04:28.960 close to one another, we have that relationship with Israel. So it's a very big deal. It is obviously
00:04:34.120 a monumental tragedy for Israel, which is a very small country. 1,400 Israelis dead as a proportion
00:04:40.520 of the Israeli population translates to almost 50,000 dead Americans. So, you know, do the math.
00:04:46.300 That's like 16 9-11s if you really want to kind of go to an apples-to-apples comparison here.
00:04:50.140 But again, the fact that many American citizens were killed, the fact that at least 15 to 20
00:04:54.720 Americans, possibly more than that, are currently held hostage, and the fact that we have such a
00:04:58.800 close relationship with Israel really does make this, I think, a profoundly American issue in many
00:05:03.960 ways. Also, by the way, Ali, you know, there's been a number of attacks on American military bases
00:05:09.720 in Iraq and Syria over the past few weeks from Iranian-backed militias. Iran, of course, being the
00:05:14.400 head of the snake, they fund Hamas, they fund Hezbollah, they fund a lot of these Shiite militias
00:05:19.140 in Iraq that are attacking U.S. soldiers and Marines stationed there in the Middle East. So, you know,
00:05:23.560 unfortunately, some level of U.S.
00:05:26.380 involvements, obviously falling well short of boots on the ground, but some level of U.S.
00:05:31.120 involvement here, unfortunately, I think is necessary.
00:05:34.080 On October 7th, the images that I saw were of these paragliders, Hamas, flying into
00:05:41.920 a concert, right? Flying into a music festival, landing on the ground there, murdering people,
00:05:49.620 raping women, and then murdering them. That's what the eyewitness testimony tells us. What's been
00:05:56.400 unbelievable to me, and we can put up some of the images on YouTube when we have them, but
00:06:01.840 is actually seeing that paraglider used here in the United States by some radical professors, by
00:06:10.640 some progressives as a symbol of liberation, like the outline of a paraglider, like a symbol of
00:06:18.980 resistance, of oppression, and of colonial power. So, it seems like some people are outright saying
00:06:26.260 that that attack on October 7th and everything that it entailed, the horrific raping of women,
00:06:32.340 the murder of innocent concert goers, was actually justified in the name of resisting the oppression
00:06:39.380 of Israel. And I know that the people here on the left, that they've got wild ideas. I understand that,
00:06:46.460 that they're extremely violent in a lot of ways. I even was shocked by that. I was shocked that there
00:06:52.120 were professors, people willing to stand up and say, yeah, that paragliding attack on October 7th
00:06:57.880 on Israel, totally justified. I mean, what do you think about that?
00:07:03.280 You know what it reminds me of, Ali, actually? It kind of reminds me of the abortion issue in some
00:07:07.280 ways, because back in the 1990s, the Democrats were ostensibly the Clintonian party of so-called
00:07:13.460 safe, legal, and rare. Then at some point over the last decade or so, there was a book, I think her
00:07:18.080 name was Catherine Pollitt, who wrote this book, Shout Your Abortion. It became
00:07:21.320 less of a safe, legal, and rare thing than a positive good, to kind of use the language that
00:07:26.560 John C. Calhoun would have used to refer to slavery. It was kind of something to be proud
00:07:30.220 of, to promote. And that might not seem apropos to our current conversation, but I think it's
00:07:35.480 actually highly relevant, because the conversation on the left, when it comes to Israel, the Palestinian
00:07:40.100 conflict, and frankly, just Hamas, which again is indistinguishable from ISIS. It is a U.S.-EU-recognized
00:07:45.860 terrorist organization. And the conversation on that has shifted from calls for a so-called
00:07:51.700 two-state solution, the Barack Obama proposal of, oh, go back to the 1967 lines, the lines
00:07:57.620 before the Six-Day War, which, like all of Israel's wars, was a defensive war. The Arabs
00:08:01.960 started that. But at that time, it was still somewhat of an academic debate as to whether
00:08:07.180 this so-called two-state solution with the Palestinian Arabs ought to happen. And just as the abortion
00:08:12.680 debate has shifted from the relative safe ground of safe, legal, and rare to shout your abortion,
00:08:17.760 so too has the radical left's violent approach on the Palestinian conflict shifted from the more
00:08:24.860 defensive posture of Israel should make more territorial concessions, two-state solution,
00:08:29.200 all of that, to now they are shouting their abortion, so to speak. They are openly defending
00:08:34.020 the genocide of the Jews of Israel. And frankly, not just the Jews of Israel, but actually just the
00:08:38.460 Jews all around the world. If the folks are listening to the shouts for extermination,
00:08:44.040 the 1930s-era Germany shouts to gas the Jews that we are increasingly seeing on Ivy League
00:08:50.420 university campuses. I mean, Ali, I don't have words for this stuff. I mean, it's true that the
00:08:55.920 American university campus has been replete with total radicals for a very long time. That's old
00:09:00.660 tat, right? It's been going on for decades and decades. And the same way that in the late 1960s,
00:09:05.400 you saw some campus radicals fall in love with folks like Angela Davis and all these kind of edgy
00:09:10.880 far left figures with kind of checkered rap sheets and criminal history. So too now has the paraglider
00:09:17.540 replaced the Angela Davis-era 1960s logo. But I mean, to call this disgusting and depraved,
00:09:24.360 I think would be an understatement. I mean, like you, I mean, I follow this issue very closely for a
00:09:29.080 whole host of reasons. I have personally been surprised at just how disgusting large swaths of
00:09:35.060 the far left have been. It really kind of caught me off guard. I have not seen this level of open
00:09:41.000 support for a U.S.-recognized terrorist organization in a very long time. And you really fundamentally,
00:09:47.840 Ali, I think you kind of have to ask yourself, the same people that are calling Israel a colonialist,
00:09:53.540 which is obviously farcical and nonsensical on its own terms. You're a Christian. You know the
00:09:58.080 history of the Holy Land. The Jews are obviously the indigenous people. So that argument falls on its
00:10:02.980 face. But you have to wonder that if these these same people that are calling Israel a
00:10:08.280 colonializer or an imperialist, whatever, they had it coming to them. I mean, would these people also
00:10:13.260 defend 9-11 on the exact same grounds that America had it coming because we stole American Indian land
00:10:19.360 and then they should support the jihadist organization? The answer, honestly, is probably
00:10:23.220 yes. And yeah, yeah, it's terrifying, though. Simply terrifying.
00:10:27.260 Yeah. And I just want to read. So this was tweeted out from Israeli author Hinmazig,
00:10:34.280 which I don't know if I'm pronouncing that correctly, but a lot of people probably
00:10:37.500 follow him. And he released in a testimony that was released by the Israeli police from a girl who
00:10:45.820 survived the October 7th massacre. And this is really disturbing. And I almost hesitate to read it.
00:10:50.740 But I think that there are a lot of people out there who I've just seen
00:10:54.040 equivocate and kind of say that, you know, both sides are equally bad. Both sides need to be
00:11:01.520 equally condemned. The Israel is the same as Hamas. The same things are happening.
00:11:05.700 I just want to read you what happened according to this eyewitness testimony on October 7th. This is
00:11:10.820 one of the most disturbing things I've ever read. So this is a girl saying about her friend,
00:11:15.540 I saw the Palestinians bending her down, raping her and simply passing her on to the next.
00:11:20.080 She was alive when they raped her. She was on her feet and bleeding from her back. He pulled her
00:11:25.580 hair. He shot her in the head while raping her, didn't even lift his pants. They cut her breast off
00:11:30.940 and played with it. They just carried around someone's head as if showing strength, walked with
00:11:36.560 it like a bag. So when you see professors, there was a resident at Vanderbilt that I saw Libs of TikTok
00:11:43.940 put out. She put out the post that this resident had posted on Instagram and then who this person
00:11:54.700 was. And when I can scroll down to the name, I'll tell you who it was. But she had the logo or the
00:12:01.940 outline, the silhouette of the paraglider and under it the text resistance by any means necessary. So
00:12:10.560 when I see that phrase, which I've seen at these protests around the world, resistance by any means
00:12:17.780 necessary, to me, they are condoning, they are justifying, maybe even celebrating and glorifying
00:12:25.240 that horrific account that I just told you. They are celebrating the rape, the murder of women,
00:12:32.660 the murder of children in their beds. That's something else that we have heard from eyewitness
00:12:37.480 testimony is happening. That's what they're saying is good, is justified. Any means necessary to resist
00:12:44.080 this quote unquote, colonial power. You're talking about the horrific rape of women that these people
00:12:50.640 are saying, that's fine and dandy to them. Ali, you cannot be more spot on. You know, resistance by
00:12:58.020 any means necessary means resistance by any means necessary. I mean, if you are so deluded in the head
00:13:03.020 to think that Israel is kind of the quintessence of all evil, the same way that the Nazis viewed the
00:13:07.740 Jews as the quintessence of all evil, if you have that warped, distorted, and frankly, evil of a
00:13:13.480 mindset, then it logically follows that you're going to end up supporting Nazi-esque ends. If you
00:13:19.460 accept the ideology of Nazism or its modern day equivalent, which is radical Islamism, radical Islamic
00:13:26.780 terrorism, jihadism, you know, the Islamist Reich, frankly, has just replaced the Third Reich, if
00:13:31.700 your head is that messed up, then you're going to end up supporting genocide. You're going to end up
00:13:36.940 supporting extermination. I mean, it's happening everywhere. I mean, on the campus of George
00:13:41.440 Washington University, a school with a very large Jewish population a few weeks ago, the pro-Palestinian
00:13:46.940 group on the side of the library projected in massive letters, glory to our martyrs. I mean,
00:13:52.940 this is literally the rhetoric of the Hamas Youth League. It's happening on – this was in the
00:13:59.300 nation's capital. This is in Washington, D.C. You know, Russell Rickford, a Cornell University
00:14:03.920 professor, Ivy League professor earlier in the conflict, had this speech where he said he found
00:14:08.600 what happened exhilarating. He literally said that it was exhilarating to see exactly what you just read,
00:14:14.820 you know, these women being raped. I mean, just to kind of paint another picture, and this may be the
00:14:19.040 last, you know, graphic depiction, because enough is enough already, but it's probably just worth
00:14:24.540 emphasizing. You know, I'll just say one other story, if I may. I have a good friend by the name
00:14:28.340 of Johnny Daniels who's very involved in Holocaust remembrance organizations, and, you know, he heard
00:14:32.560 this other story from one of the kibbutzim, the settlements near the Gaza border, where the Hamas
00:14:37.440 jihad has infiltrated the home. They put a gun in a man's mouth as they tied his hands behind
00:14:44.960 his back. While he was still alive, they then put the couple's baby in an oven, turned on the oven.
00:14:52.720 They then took the woman. They raped her. They then murdered the woman. All this before in front
00:14:57.280 of the man's eyes, and only after he had witnessed all of that, pulled the trigger to kill him.
00:15:02.020 This is the kind of people that we're dealing with. I mean, I don't have words, Ali. I really
00:15:05.520 don't, to describe these level of actions. To call these actions equivalent to animals and
00:15:10.400 barbarians, I think, would be doing a disservice to animals and barbarians. This is the most
00:15:15.500 disgusting stuff in the world. You know, Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, who was heavily involved
00:15:20.660 in the U.S. campaign against ISIS in Iraq. He was there in Israel a week or two after October 7th.
00:15:27.540 He said that what he saw was worse than ISIS, worse than ISIS. Again, I just don't have words for this stuff.
00:15:40.400 What do you say to people? And it's, I mean, I hate even asking, but I know that there are people
00:15:50.640 out here saying this. I've seen it on Twitter. I've seen it a lot, even from maybe people who
00:15:54.680 profess to be conservatives. But they say, how do we know, you know, how do we know that's true?
00:16:01.120 Which is, of course, is a fair question about anything. How do we know anything is true? We
00:16:04.300 should always test and verify things. But people saying that that's not true, that Hamas wouldn't
00:16:09.940 do something like that, that that's all propaganda coming out of Israel. Like, what do you what do you
00:16:14.420 say to that? Well, for starters, Hamas sent a lot of videos into the open. They literally executed
00:16:22.220 this one Holocaust survivor grandmother execution style on her knees and then uploaded the video to
00:16:27.440 the grandmother's own Facebook feed. So, you know, the Nazis, Ali, the Nazis prefer typically to try to
00:16:33.700 hide evidence of their crime. So, for example, I was in Treblinka in Poland, about two and a half
00:16:38.340 years ago or so. It's maybe an hour, hour and a half outside of Warsaw. Treblinka was the second
00:16:43.480 deadliest camp for the Jews in occupied Poland after Auschwitz. I think roughly a million Jews met
00:16:50.660 their maker, met God there, tragically. And, you know, the Nazis ended up covering up their tracks.
00:16:56.260 There's actually not a whole lot left of the actual infrastructure at Treblinka because the Soviets were
00:17:00.700 coming in from the eastern front. The Nazis, what I'm trying to say, is they tried to cover
00:17:03.680 up what they did. Hamas, no such thing. They streamed it literally for the world. They were
00:17:08.080 wearing GoPro cameras. I mean, the paragliders who flew in to murder 240 civilians there in that music
00:17:14.420 festival near the God's border were literally wearing GoPro cameras as they had machine guns
00:17:20.200 just trying to take down and shoot anyone on the ground they could. They had no compunction whatsoever.
00:17:25.760 What's more than that? You know, the Israeli government has offered essentially to show the raw
00:17:29.960 footage to any journalist out there who actually wants to see it. I have not watched it. I think
00:17:34.880 I would be sick to my stomach, frankly, but I do have about I know a lot of people who have watched
00:17:39.360 it. And I think that anyone who works in the media business who wants to see the raw footage,
00:17:43.800 that option is currently on the table. So there's really not a whole lot to these claims. I think,
00:17:49.100 frankly, the people that are asking, oh, you know, did they really behead babies? Well, you know,
00:17:53.320 I guess I would ask this. Let's say they didn't actually behead the baby. Let's say that the baby's
00:17:59.280 head was not just rolling around on the ground, but they actually just shot the baby point blank in
00:18:04.280 the head. I mean, does that actually make it better? Exactly. Is that really the hill you want to die
00:18:08.220 on? And I mean, do they have a moral limit? Why wouldn't they? Of course, it's fine to ask,
00:18:14.640 is something true? Is anything true? But I think that from what we know, absolutely to be true,
00:18:20.400 as you said, through the materials that they themselves have published, it's easy to deduce
00:18:25.200 that they would stop at nothing. There's no amount of cruelty that I think they say,
00:18:29.380 that's just a little too far. Ooh, that one's just, that's too much, or that baby is too small,
00:18:34.820 or that person is too old, or that woman is too frail. Obviously, there's not really a moral limit.
00:18:40.200 And I want to go back to something that you said earlier, that it's not really just Israel,
00:18:45.600 that this really does seem like an attack on Jews around the world. And I know some people try to
00:18:51.700 separate, okay, it's just anti-Zionism, it's not anti-Judaism, but that's not what I'm seeing at these
00:18:57.620 protests. That's not what I'm seeing on college campuses. As you know, at Cornell, the students in
00:19:03.160 the kosher cafeteria there had to hide. There were students in Cooper Union huddled in the library to
00:19:10.420 escape an angry crowd pounding on the doors. This is according to the New York Times. A protester at
00:19:14.880 a rally near New York, New York University carried a sign calling for the world to be kept, quote,
00:19:20.360 unquote, clean of Jews. And then as you mentioned, George Washington University, glory to our martyrs
00:19:27.260 was projected on a building. And so I'm actually saying that Jews everywhere, no matter if they're
00:19:34.540 liberal or conservative, no matter who they voted for, no matter if they categorize themselves as
00:19:39.600 Zionists, that they're all being put into the same category. And it's not just Israelis. And like you
00:19:45.000 said, it's Jews everywhere. It's Jews here, that they are fearing for their lives, that they can't even
00:19:50.780 go to class in safety for fear of the Muslim and Muslim sympathizing students there, many of them,
00:19:58.400 who are attacking them and harassing them and chasing them down. So, I mean, this is much bigger than
00:20:04.280 just, oh, just a Middle Eastern conflict. I mean, we're already seeing the collateral damage of that
00:20:10.100 conflict here. Ali, one of the terms that you hear from these far left Hamas supporters, Hamas
00:20:17.740 sympathizers, whatever you want to call them, they like the term globalize the intifada. That is one of
00:20:23.620 their favorite terms. And sure enough, that is what is happening. The intifada, the war against the
00:20:29.740 Jewish state and by extension, the Jewish people. And then ultimately after the Jewish people, if you
00:20:33.900 really want to subscribe to jihadist ideology, the war against, once again, all infidels, it's currently
00:20:38.960 being waged throughout America and all throughout the world. I mean, we saw Paul Kessler, who was a
00:20:44.960 Jewish man who was essentially counter protesting a pro-Palestinian rally. He was murdered. He was
00:20:51.320 murdered in Ventura County, California earlier this week. You know, some people are calling it a
00:20:56.260 homicide. I think they're still waiting for all the details. But based on everything that we've seen,
00:21:01.920 it looks a heck of a lot like a murder. We've seen any number of other examples of this. I mean,
00:21:06.560 just the other day, I was looking at a jewelry store on 40, I think it was on 42nd Street, right in the
00:21:10.940 heart of Manhattan in New York City. It was a Jewish owned, it might have been Israeli, I don't
00:21:15.220 remember. It was a Jewish owned jewelry store, totally vandalized, windows smashed like Kristallnacht in
00:21:20.440 Germany all over again for literally no other reason than the fact that this is a Jewish owned
00:21:25.300 businesses. You know, speaking from personal experience, Ali, where I live here in South
00:21:28.860 Florida is a very large Jewish population. Every time you go around here, whether it's to a synagogue,
00:21:33.960 a kosher restaurant, Jewish community center, any kind of Jewish infrastructure, I have never seen this
00:21:39.020 level of security in my life. There are cops everywhere, which is a good thing, by the way.
00:21:43.100 Credit to Governor DeSantis, credit to our local authorities for being on top of this. But I think every Jew
00:21:48.940 that I've spoken with over the past month is starting to ask some really difficult questions. You know, I
00:21:54.100 think American Jewry, the American Jewish population for, you know, call it 50, 60 years after the
00:21:59.620 Holocaust, that was kind of the golden age of Jewish life in America. America and the world at large
00:22:05.000 was still kind of suffering pangs of guilt from what had happened in the Holocaust there. But the
00:22:11.740 memory has started to fade. The last generation of Holocaust survivors is now starting to pass away
00:22:16.440 tragically. And you've also had this rise of a far left militant intersectional identity politics
00:22:23.300 ideology that says that the Jews are an oppressor class in this intersectional Olympics game.
00:22:28.360 The Jewish state is a colonizer, all this stuff. And then you kind of add more fuel to the fire and
00:22:33.760 you have kind of increasing secularism. You know, the Christians in America, who are, of course,
00:22:38.080 the Jews' best friends, you know, declining church attendance. It's this really kind of combustible
00:22:42.660 mix of things, unfortunately, that is now seeping wide out into the open before, you know, for
00:22:47.500 everyone to see. And it ultimately is not about Israel. It really is not. I mean, the notion that
00:22:53.820 it's so-called anti-Zionism is not the same things anti-Semitism was always a lie. It was always a lie
00:22:59.680 based on the U.S. State Department's own definition of anti-Semitism. But it has never, ever, ever been
00:23:05.600 shown to be more a lie than it has over the past month, because whether it's the Cooper Union fiasco,
00:23:11.100 which was something that I don't think I've ever seen in my life. Ali, these Jewish students
00:23:15.140 in Cooper Union, the library, had to be evacuated by the NYPD via underground tunnel. This is happening
00:23:22.180 in New York City, for God's sake. This is the city with the largest Jewish population in the world.
00:23:27.440 I mean, including Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. I mean, New York City is a ton of Jews there, obviously. And
00:23:31.220 there are being it's just awful stuff. I mean, it's frankly stuff that I just never, ever thought
00:23:36.100 that I would ever see in my entire life. And it's profoundly saddening. And unfortunately,
00:23:41.300 we have no choice but to fight back to the best of our abilities.
00:23:44.360 Yep. Again, according to the New York Times, at Columbia, an Israeli student was physically
00:23:48.620 assaulted on campus near Tulane. A Jewish student's head was bashed with a pole of a Palestinian flag
00:23:53.660 after he attempted to stop protesters from burning in an Israeli flag. And then students at Cornell,
00:23:59.220 which we just talked about, live in fear that their peers will actualize
00:24:02.060 anti-Semitic threats. The term Zionist and colonizer have evolved into epithets
00:24:06.540 used against Jewish students. Ron DeSantis, Governor Ron DeSantis, had an interesting
00:24:14.260 suggestion for what he would do if there was a student here on a student visa who joined in these
00:24:20.140 genocidal protests calling for harassment and the death of Jews. Here's what he had to say.
00:24:27.700 When the blood wasn't even dry on the Israelis who had been massacred,
00:24:31.340 you had people in America going out protesting in favor of Hamas.
00:24:35.720 Yes. And that's like very chilling. Some of these people are not U.S. citizens. They're
00:24:40.440 student visas. So as president, if you're on a student visa and you're a foreigner and you're
00:24:45.600 out there celebrating terrorism, I'm canceling your visa and I'm sending you home.
00:24:50.280 I mean, I love it. What do you think about that?
00:24:54.160 Yeah, I absolutely love this. If you are not a U.S. citizen, if you are here in a visa,
00:24:59.820 then you are ultimately here at our good grace. There is nothing whatsoever. The sovereign,
00:25:06.780 which is the United States in this context, the sovereign has the complete and absolute power
00:25:11.240 to kick out anyone who is not a citizen at any time for any reason. You know,
00:25:16.260 as Justice Scalia argued many times, probably most vividly in a 2012 case called U.S. versus Arizona,
00:25:22.980 that is inherent in the right to sovereignty. You know, your colleague at Blaze Media, Ali Daniel
00:25:29.340 Horowitz, has written about this at great length in articles over the years as well. You can kick
00:25:33.000 out anyone who is not a citizen at any time, no matter what the statute says, no matter what the
00:25:37.200 regulation says. Again, it is inherent in the very notion of sovereignty. I actually would probably go
00:25:43.560 even further than that. This is where I might lose some people who are even kind of sympathetic to,
00:25:48.060 you know, to my argument and on my side. But I would probably go even further than that.
00:25:52.160 I think what you are dealing with here, Ali, you're dealing with the rise of a fifth column
00:25:56.940 of subversive actors who despise America, despise our allies, despise Western civilization
00:26:02.780 at a level that we have not seen in this country in a very, very long time. It's really,
00:26:08.180 in many ways, just profoundly disturbing because the global jihad after the literal fall of the
00:26:14.100 ISIS so-called caliphate, the actual territory in Iraq and Syria, a lot of us thought that this stuff
00:26:20.000 was kind of on the decline. I mean, the Iranian regime, which is the most Islamist jihadist
00:26:24.600 government in the world has been, you know, they haven't been quiet, but they haven't been like
00:26:29.500 super, super, super active over the past few years. Yeah, they fund Hezbollah here and there.
00:26:33.180 So things on the jihadist front seem to be going relatively OK. And then this happens,
00:26:38.180 and then we see the people in Sydney, Australia, chanting against the Jews, the stuff happening
00:26:42.660 in the streets of Chicago, Dearborn, Michigan. So the global jihad is here again, and the enemy
00:26:46.920 is within us. There are monsters in our midst. And unfortunately, our idiots through their,
00:26:52.060 you know, globalist, liberal, open borders, immigration policies have brought a lot of this
00:26:55.960 into this country. So I say all that as kind of a preface to the fact that I fully support what
00:27:01.420 Governor Sanders is proposing here for kicking people out on visas who are supporting US-recognized
00:27:06.120 terrorist organizations. I actually think that stripping citizenship and denaturalizing people
00:27:11.560 for being open fifth column actors, openly calling for the destruction of America and our allies,
00:27:16.580 openly supporting foreign terrorist organizations, I think that that should probably be on the table
00:27:20.760 as well. There is some pressing for this. In the early part of the 20th century, we did this
00:27:25.060 many times for communist sympathizers. That's kind of a whole can of worms that kind of gets into
00:27:30.100 McCarthy and the Red Scare and all that there. But I think the situation is arguably dire enough for
00:27:34.860 even stripping citizenship, depending on the specific person, that that probably should be
00:27:39.360 on the issue or should be on the table as well. But at a bare minimum, I think, for these student
00:27:43.740 visas, yeah, that's a no brainer for me. Okay, so Jess, I just want to clarify, because there are
00:27:48.080 certainly going to be people who are out there who say, Josh Hammer said that if you criticize Israel,
00:27:53.300 then you shouldn't be an American citizen or you should be stripped of your citizenship. You're not
00:27:57.920 talking about criticizing Israel. That's correct. No, I am I am talking here about people who have
00:28:05.380 shown an open disdain and open abhorring for America and open support for U.S. recognized
00:28:12.160 terrorist organizations, open, violent Hamas supporters who say that they want to see the
00:28:18.040 destruction of America, the destruction of Israel and our allies, not talking here about, you know,
00:28:22.920 two state solution, not even the people that are putting up these horrific, galling,
00:28:26.100 depraved images of the paragliders trying to murder innocent people. I'm saying that if in a specific
00:28:32.540 fact specific case by case incident, if your stance is radical enough where you are effectively calling
00:28:39.740 for the annihilation of America to go back to kind of the 9-11, would you support 9-11 analogy there?
00:28:44.680 I think that something like that probably should be on the table. Again, it would be a fact specific
00:28:48.660 inquiry. I'm not saying this should happen in mass, but for the absolute worst of the worst,
00:28:52.780 it probably should be an option.
00:28:56.100 So just to bring it back, I said that there was a Vanderbilt resident who was using this
00:29:12.580 paraglider as a symbol of positive liberation. Her name was Dr. Ayesha Khan. So as we've talked about,
00:29:18.680 obviously, the rise, just the open, the open support of terrorist organizations, like you said,
00:29:25.080 also the rise of anti-Semitism, just blatant, absolute shameless, not even trying to, like,
00:29:30.360 nuance it or cover it up or even say, oh, I'm just anti-Zionist. I mean, you've just got people out here
00:29:35.240 saying, clean the world of Jews. It's wild. It is scary. It's wild. Like you said, students having to
00:29:42.220 cower in the library at a university, it's crazy. And yet, Corinne Jean-Pierre, White House spokeswoman,
00:29:50.520 said this. She said a couple weeks ago, she said, we have not seen any credible threats,
00:29:56.340 blah, blah, blah. And then she says, but there are real dangers to Islamophobia. So that apparently is
00:30:03.880 the focus. And it's so much the focus that the Vice President Kamala Harris, she just announced just
00:30:08.760 the other day, the first ever U.S. national strategy to counter what? Anti-Semitism? No,
00:30:15.900 Islamophobia. So here she is announcing that. As a result of the Hamas terrorist attack in Israel
00:30:23.100 and the humanitarian crisis in Gaza, we have seen an uptick in anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab,
00:30:30.160 anti-Semitic, and Islamophobic incidents across America. And so today, I am proud to announce
00:30:37.140 the Biden-Harris administration will develop our nation's first national strategy to counter
00:30:43.680 Islamophobia. Okay, so she did put anti-Semitic somewhere in there. She did embed anti-Semitism
00:30:51.140 in there. But apparently, the major focus right now is anti-Arab, anti-Palestinian hatred. Now,
00:30:57.780 what's interesting about that is that in all of these rallies that I've seen, in all the protests
00:31:02.520 that I've seen, those that are pro-Israel, I have never seen a sign in these pro-Israel protests
00:31:08.240 or rallies that says, cleanse the world of Muslims. I've never seen even a Palestinian flag on a sign
00:31:14.420 in a trash can. I haven't seen Muslim students have to hide in their cafeteria or hide in their dorm
00:31:20.160 rooms. I haven't seen words, you know, projected on the side of a university that's basically calling
00:31:27.360 for the genocide of Palestinians or Muslims. I haven't seen that at any pro-Israel rally. I haven't
00:31:32.960 even seen any pro-Israel individual say anything that amounts to a call for a genocide or ridding
00:31:41.080 the world of Muslims. And so tell us, tell us why this administration decides to focus on something
00:31:48.000 which, in my opinion, is maybe the very least of America's worries.
00:31:52.420 Yeah, Ali, you haven't seen what you just described, because what you just described
00:31:57.180 has simply not been happening. I mean, I've been to many pro-Israel rallies, pro-Israel community
00:32:02.260 events. I have never heard or seen anything remotely resembling what you just described. I mean,
00:32:08.660 it's just something that is frankly not happening. I think the most offensive part of those remarks
00:32:14.860 that we just heard from Kamala Harris is where she cites Islamophobia as, you know, for far too long,
00:32:21.240 this has been a disproportionate worry, a disproportionate form of hate crime in America.
00:32:26.040 You know, we actually have statistics on this. The FBI Uniform Code of Justice, you know,
00:32:31.000 they actually keep year in and year out uniform crime statistics. And we know that consistently,
00:32:37.600 for as long as I've been following this, so it's at least five, six, seven years or so,
00:32:41.120 year in and year out, the percentage of religiously motivated hate crimes in America
00:32:46.420 that are committed against Jews is roughly 60 percent. So put another way, roughly every six
00:32:52.440 out of 10 religiously based hate crimes in America is against Jews. It's roughly 10 to 12 percent are
00:32:58.980 committed against Muslims. So literally taken on its face, there are at least five times as many
00:33:04.400 hate crimes against Jews as there are against Muslims. So Kamala Harris, I guess the polite way
00:33:11.560 of saying it would be that she has no idea what she's talking about. The less polite way of saying
00:33:15.980 it is that she is trying to gaslight you, is that she is trying to gaslight the American people.
00:33:20.100 And she's trying to gaslight the American people in all likelihood for very self-serving,
00:33:25.020 cynical, political reasons. At the very beginning of this conflict, Ali, there was that Tuesday after
00:33:29.720 the attack. You know, Joe Biden, to his credit, came out and gave a rhetorically very strong speech
00:33:35.560 in defense of Israel. In fact, I know from some friends in Israel that that speech was so beloved
00:33:40.380 over there, they actually started using it in elementary schools as a way to try to teach
00:33:43.920 English to the students. Now, those of us who have been around the block for a little while
00:33:48.300 knew not to take these words particularly seriously. It was, you know, with those kind words
00:33:54.360 comes a lot of strings attached. And we've now seen some of those strings over the past couple
00:33:57.880 of weeks or so. But having said that, because of that strong initial rhetorical support, we've seen
00:34:04.060 a lot of polls that the Muslim American support for Joe Biden has cratered over the past month.
00:34:09.680 A lot of kind of the far left wing of the party, they've lost a lot of support. And there's a huge
00:34:14.880 Arab population in Michigan. You know, Dearborn, Michigan, Hamtramck, Michigan are two suburbs of
00:34:19.440 Detroit. I think the town councils in those two towns are, they might be predominantly, but I think
00:34:24.420 they're actually exclusively Muslim controlled. I'm actually speaking on this topic at the University
00:34:29.220 of Michigan in Ann Arbor next Thursday. It's a large Arab population. I'm working on security for the
00:34:34.220 event for that very reason. I say all that because Michigan is a very important swing state.
00:34:38.060 You know, so is potentially Minnesota, where that's where Ilhan Omar is from. There's a large
00:34:42.340 Somali population there. So I think that they're basically just doing damage control at this point.
00:34:47.260 Kareem Jean-Pierre as well, very earlier in this conflict, around the same time that Biden gave that
00:34:52.340 good speech. Kareem Jean-Pierre, again, to her rare credit, by the first time I've ever praised her in
00:34:58.380 my life, she referred to the words that were coming out from Rashida Tlaib and Ilhan Omar.
00:35:02.700 She described their words at that time as disgraceful and repugnant. She's done a 180 as
00:35:08.740 well. I mean, most recently, she couldn't even openly condemn the taking down of these hostage
00:35:13.140 posters. So the whole administration has done a very subtle 180 over the past couple of weeks.
00:35:19.400 I think it's really driven by domestic political concerns. Biden's polling obviously is in the gutter.
00:35:24.520 They're facing a very tough reelection next year. The very last thing that he can do is further
00:35:29.540 alienate the Hamas caucus, the Muslim American community, young Gen Z activists who are passionate
00:35:35.260 about the Palestinian cause, things like that. Yeah. And Rashida Tlaib, she's obviously been in
00:35:41.040 the news as well as Ilhan Omar, and she's being criticized for several things that she has said
00:35:45.900 over the years, but recently reiterating this phrase, from the river to the sea,
00:35:51.480 Palestine shall be free. Now, she says that is just, that's just a motto of aspirational
00:35:57.140 liberation, whatever. Tell us, what does that really mean?
00:36:02.560 I mean, taken on its own terms, it's calling for the extermination of the Jews of Israel. I mean,
00:36:07.240 look, I have been to the river and to the sea. I have been, you know, that's the Jordan River and
00:36:10.620 the Mediterranean Sea. You know, it's that, it's really not that wide of a country. The entire state
00:36:14.640 of Israel, even including Judea and Samaria, what the world refers to as the West Bank, even including
00:36:19.760 that, the whole country is basically the size of New Jersey. It's not a particularly large block
00:36:25.040 of territory there. Look, the problem with this, there are a lot of problems with the so-called
00:36:30.160 Palestinian cause, but probably the number one problem, and this problem is exacerbated and
00:36:35.340 perpetuated by the United Nations in many structural ways, is that they have never accepted the fact
00:36:41.920 that there is a Jewish state. So in November of 1947, the United Nations recommended a two-state
00:36:46.900 partition for the land of Israel. It actually was carving up a very narrow sliver for the Jews,
00:36:52.220 much narrower, ironically, than anything that is on the table today. The Jews happily said yes,
00:36:57.100 the Arabs said no. Ben-Gurion then declares Israel independent in May 1948. The Arabs invade for all
00:37:03.040 sides, trying to destroy it. This is what the Arabs and the Palestinians refer to as the so-called
00:37:08.400 Nakba. This is what Rashid Tlaib would call the Nakba, which is Arabic essentially for the tragedies,
00:37:13.340 the great tragedy. And when they speak of their right of return, they're speaking of their right to
00:37:18.900 essentially repopulate and ultimately reconquer the entirety of the land of Israel. And what that
00:37:24.880 means is that the Jews would not be safe there because there is no Arab country in the world right
00:37:29.540 now where the Jews are safe. On the contrary, it was in the late 1940s, early 1950s, where there was
00:37:35.960 a mass exodus of roughly a million Jews who were living in the Arab world in countries like Egypt,
00:37:41.180 Libya, Tunisia, and Iraq, who were kicked out of the Arab countries essentially acting collusively in
00:37:47.240 unison in response to the Nakba, in response to the founding of Israel. You know, my fiance's
00:37:53.180 grandparents were part of this, actually. They had to flee Iraq around this time. They moved to
00:37:57.800 Israel naturally. And this history has just been totally lost on an entire generation. But the
00:38:03.220 United Nations, they have a separate definition of what it means to be a refugee from war. They
00:38:08.060 literally have one definition under an organization called UNRWA for the Palestinian Arabs, an entirely
00:38:13.780 separate definition for every other refugee in the world. Traditionally, what refugee means
00:38:18.760 is that if you personally, if you personally are dissettled from the country where you were due to
00:38:24.400 a war, then you are a refugee. But if you resettle another country, your children will then become
00:38:29.440 citizens or, you know, or they're on a visa, whatever. In that particular country, your children
00:38:34.880 will not be refugees. The UN has an entirely different definition of refugee for the people,
00:38:41.060 the Arabs who were in Israel in 1948 when Israel was founded. According to the UN,
00:38:46.280 the children, grandchildren, great-grandchildren, they're all refugees. To this day, there are
00:38:51.080 Palestinian refugee camps in Syria, Lebanon, countries like that. And this is all because
00:38:56.680 the entire mentality is that Israel is a mistake and that we're ultimately going to reconquer it.
00:39:02.200 They're refugees because they're ultimately going to return. They're ultimately going to kick the
00:39:05.800 Jews out. So that clearly and obviously is the end goal. Again, Hamas is not particularly subtle,
00:39:10.960 about this. Neither is the Palestinian Authority, which is based in Ramallah and the West Bank.
00:39:16.640 They are oftentimes held out to be the so-called moderates when it comes to this conflict.
00:39:21.460 Yes, I guess they are incrementally more moderate than Hamas. That's frankly not saying a whole lot.
00:39:26.920 Mahmoud Abbas, who chairs the Palestinian Authority, wrote a literal PhD dissertation on Holocaust denial.
00:39:32.180 He was praising Hitler openly about two to two and a half months ago or so. They have the infamous
00:39:36.700 pay-for-slave program where they fund the families of jihadists who are, quote-unquote,
00:39:42.540 martyrs who kill Israeli Jews. So this is all predicated upon the ultimate repopulating and
00:39:49.180 reconquering of all of Israel from the river to the sea, which means that the Jews have no place to go
00:39:54.920 but into the sea, proverbially speaking, which means that they will be killed.
00:40:10.360 So here's the narrative, or here's what we hear. And here's what a lot of people, I think,
00:40:15.280 are confused by because, of course, this is what they're hearing from their friends on Instagram
00:40:19.260 and silly influencers and things like that. That the Muslims, the Palestinians, are the ones who
00:40:25.000 are indigenous to this land. And they were there and they were living just peacefully and happily
00:40:28.760 until 1948. And then Israel came along and stole their homes and kicked them out and killed them and
00:40:34.300 their mothers. And they created this state. That's why they're called colonizers. That's why
00:40:39.300 they're even called, you know, racist, white supremacist, all the things that we're kind of used to
00:40:44.920 hearing about people, about people here. And that they have been exclusively oppressing poor Palestinians
00:40:52.480 since the establishment of their state. And that they're, it's an apartheid state. That's what we keep
00:40:58.340 hearing. And that they are on the side of the white colonizers and oppressors. And that is why Hamas
00:41:08.060 exists. That Israel actually, that's what we hear, created Hamas. And Hamas is resistance. Their resistance
00:41:14.500 fighters. And they're just trying to claim the land that's theirs that was stolen from them. That is
00:41:21.620 what we keep hearing. And we keep hearing that Israel has only been an evil actor there, causing
00:41:27.800 trouble, hurting the innocent people in Gaza. So what's your response to that when that is someone's
00:41:35.040 take on history and the idea that Israel has been oppressing the poor Muslims that live there?
00:41:40.220 So there's a lot to impact here, obviously. Jews were living in the land of Israel for quite
00:41:46.940 literally thousands of years. I mean, literally thousands of years before Muhammad had his dream
00:41:52.220 and Islam was created in the seventh century AD. I mean, Jesus obviously was a Jewish carpenter living
00:41:59.320 in the land of Israel. He was living approximately six to 700 years before Muhammad and Islam. So the Jews
00:42:05.040 were there for a very long time. The word Jew literally comes from Judea, which refers to,
00:42:10.880 you know, again, that's the so-called West Bank today. And there was always a Jewish population
00:42:16.620 there in the land of Israel, even, you know, even after the destruction of the second temple in the
00:42:22.120 year 70, between the year 70 and the reestablishment of the state of Israel in 1948, almost 2000 years,
00:42:29.280 there was a continuous Jewish population there. The Hebrew word for it is Eshuv. The Eshuv existed.
00:42:33.800 There were always Jews living in Jerusalem. There were always Jews living in Hebron and Jericho and
00:42:39.680 all the cities that we learn about from the Bible. And yes, they were not living under Jewish rule,
00:42:44.880 but they always, always existed there. Now, you know, for four to 500 years, it was controlled by
00:42:50.500 the Ottoman Empire. And then after World War I, the Brits essentially take control of the area. This is
00:42:57.000 the British mandate for Palestine. The British mandate for Palestine was itself divided between the
00:43:03.080 mandate for Transjordan, which is modern Jordan today, and the mandate for Palestine.
00:43:09.180 Interestingly, Ali, this is all happening after World War I, the European powers carved up the
00:43:13.500 Middle East. It's roughly 1920, the Sykes-Picot Agreement. The mandate for Transjordan, which again
00:43:19.340 is Jordan today, was actually supposed to be the so-called Palestinian state. In fact, today,
00:43:24.740 the country of Jordan is roughly 70 percent Palestinian. The reason that the king of Jordan,
00:43:30.200 King Hussein, made a very cold peace with Israel is not because he has any affinity for the Jewish
00:43:36.360 state or the Jewish people. Far from it. It's because he is a Hashemite. He is an ethnic minority
00:43:40.840 in his own country, and he fears that he is going to be deposed. So that was how the arrangement was
00:43:46.160 actually supposed to work. Now, again, going back to 1947, 27 years after the establishment of the
00:43:53.260 mandate for Palestine, the UN proposes this two-state partition that would give the Jews a tiny sliver of what
00:43:59.200 they were initially promised. The Jews said yes. The Arabs said no. The rest, as we all know, is
00:44:03.620 history. And, you know, to give some just brief more recent history than that, every time that
00:44:07.560 Israel has ever tried, has ever tried to negotiate in good faith with the Palestinian Arabs, it has
00:44:13.800 quite literally blown up into their face. So the Oslo Accords in the mid-1990s resulted not long
00:44:20.560 thereafter in the Second Intifada, which until October 7th was the bloodiest part of Israeli history.
00:44:26.060 In 2005, Israel, you know, laterally withdrew from the Gaza Strip. There was a Jewish settlement there
00:44:31.400 called Gush Katif. The IDF, the Israeli military, physically uprooted the settlers. They actually
00:44:37.580 physically removed the Jewish headstones in the cemeteries there. They took it all out. Two years
00:44:43.420 later, Hamas wins a bloody civil war against Fatah and the Palestinian Authority. And yet again, tragically,
00:44:49.000 the rest is history. There's been continuous war ever since. I'm just not sure, honestly, what else
00:44:54.300 Israel is supposed to do. You know, traditionally speaking, Ali, going back to the beginning of human
00:44:58.740 history, going back to the beginning of wars, wars end and the Palestinian Arabs still feel that they
00:45:05.880 are at war against Israel. That was the whole point of our conversation about refugees and the two
00:45:10.340 definitions of refugees and all that, the Nakba. They still think that they are at war against Israel.
00:45:15.320 Traditionally in human history, wars end when one side wins and the other side loses. And I, for one,
00:45:22.460 am hopeful that after the pogrom, the Hamas Holocaust of October 7, 2023, that Israel will
00:45:28.420 once and for all deliver a decisive blow, a pummeling of Hamas, and thereby essentially put
00:45:35.580 the Palestinians in a position where they are essentially begging for peace, because that's
00:45:39.760 probably the only way that peace will ever be achieved. Yeah. And there's something I want to say
00:45:43.700 to that. But a couple of things to know about the narrative that's been going on, that this is an
00:45:49.100 apartheid state that they're colonizers. I mean, all you have to do is look at a map. Look at a map
00:45:54.240 of the area and you'll see this one tiny Jewish state right in the middle of the Muslim world.
00:46:01.040 These Muslim majority countries, which are wrought by violence and oppression, by the way. And then you
00:46:07.380 have this one tiny Jewish state. If Jews in Israel are colonizers, then they're doing a really bad job.
00:46:15.880 If they are the ones that are oppressing the Muslims, then they're doing a really bad job.
00:46:21.580 I thought it was almost, I mean, in a sad way, laughable when I heard Ilhan Omar right after
00:46:26.800 Rashida Tlaib spoke, she woke up or she stood up and said that Palestinians have a right to liberty.
00:46:36.300 Of course, that's why they have a right, she says, to attack Israel. But even if Israel ceased to exist,
00:46:42.660 even if that small little Jewish state was no longer a Jewish state there, Muslims wouldn't live
00:46:48.540 in liberty. They don't live in liberty in any of those Muslim majority countries. There's not freedom
00:46:54.320 of speech there. There's not freedom of religion there. There's not tolerance of other views. There's
00:46:59.180 not women's rights. They don't view people with innate dignity. And so by liberty, she just means the
00:47:06.420 defeat of Israel. By resistance, they just mean defeating Israel. By liberation, by decolonization,
00:47:12.920 they don't actually mean the alleviation of oppression or the liberation of Muslims. They don't give a rip
00:47:18.080 about the Uyghur Muslims in China. This is all just coding for the elimination of Israel and I think the
00:47:24.980 hatred of Jews in general. And so they can use all of the, you know, critical theory language, progressive
00:47:32.540 language that they want to about liberation. You're never going to convince me you care about liberation
00:47:36.960 when they have nothing critical to say about the Muslims that are oppressed, enslaved, and murdered
00:47:41.560 by the people that share their ideology that are in charge in all of those Muslim countries.
00:47:47.540 Yeah, 100%. And, you know, another easy way of knowing that this has nothing to do with the actual
00:47:54.020 Palestinian Arabs themselves and has everything to do with the Jews and the Jewish state.
00:47:57.840 You know, every Arab country, all 20 to 25 of them around there from Northern Africa,
00:48:03.860 from Morocco to Sudan to the Arabian Peninsula, Iraq, Syria, they all could have ended this conflict
00:48:10.580 with the snap of the fingers if they wanted to. These are massive countries. They could so easily
00:48:16.340 absorb the Palestinian population if they wanted to in a second. Again, Jordan was supposed to be that.
00:48:22.400 The mandate for Transjordan under the British mandate was literally supposed to be
00:48:26.780 the Palestinian state. Egypt, obviously, could very easily do it as well. The Sinai Peninsula
00:48:31.940 is very sparsely populated. Gaza literally connects to the Sinai Peninsula. Why has President al-Sisi
00:48:37.040 in Egypt, he has been incredibly stubborn in refusing to let in anyone from Gaza, any civilian for
00:48:44.100 humanitarian purposes. He has not allowed in any refugees, last I checked. I mean, he's allowed some
00:48:48.680 ambulances to go in and out to provide medical care, but no one really has been fleeing to Egypt.
00:48:53.060 So, you know, why don't they actually want these people? Well, the answer is that it has nothing
00:48:57.860 to do with these people, that these people, the Palestinians, are just useful tools for them in
00:49:03.960 their ultimate war. And their war, as you correctly state, is to eradicate the state of Israel. Now,
00:49:10.300 you know, you want to talk about apartheid. Look, Arabs inside of Israel serve everywhere. You know,
00:49:15.940 Israel is actually so committed to, you know, Western free speech, liberal values that on the
00:49:22.180 floor of their legislature, which is called the Knesset, on the floor of the Knesset, there are
00:49:26.840 Arab anti-Zionist parties elected to the Israeli parliament. In fact, I've literally seen speeches
00:49:34.720 on the floor of the Knesset where you have anti-Zionist Arab politicians speaking out against
00:49:40.600 Zionism, which, you know, effectively means calling for the annihilation of Israel. That is how
00:49:45.340 absolutist Israel's commitment to free speech is. Frankly, I don't even think my own commitment to
00:49:49.280 free speech is actually that absolutist where I would want congressmen to call for the destruction
00:49:54.700 of the U.S. inside of the United States Capitol. I think that's insane, frankly. But Arabs in Israeli
00:49:59.640 society are represented everywhere in academia and medicine, you know, high finance, high tech,
00:50:04.840 everywhere you look, Arabs are all there. They have by far, by far the highest standard of living of
00:50:10.860 any Arab in the entire region. And on the contrary, in the Palestinian Authority controlled lands in the
00:50:17.400 West Bank itself, you know, if you want to talk about apartheid, they are the ones who have something
00:50:21.440 much more closely resembling anti-Jewish apartheid. If you are a landowner, if you are a landowner in
00:50:28.080 Janine, Hebron, in one of these Palestinian cities in Judea and Samaria or the West Bank, and you sell
00:50:33.080 land to a Jew, do you know what the penalty is, Ali? Death penalty. You can literally get the death penalty
00:50:39.060 simply for selling a piece of property for loaning money, something like that, to a Jew. That sounds a heck
00:50:45.220 of a lot like more like apartheid to me than an Arab getting on the floor of the Knesset in Jerusalem and
00:50:51.260 calling for the destruction of the very state that is giving that person his freedom of speech.
00:51:03.080 I think a lot of people don't realize that 18% of the Israeli population is Muslim. And they've got
00:51:13.200 about 2% Christians. I mean, if you look at what they call Palestine, I mean, it's just not the same.
00:51:19.340 You don't have the same breakdown. I think that there are maybe a total of 700, last I heard 700
00:51:24.060 Christians that are able to live in that region there. And of course, there, many of them are there
00:51:30.160 because of missionaries that went there risking their lives to go there. Most people understand
00:51:35.380 that the Muslim world is not tolerant of other faiths. And yet, for some reason, the Jewish state,
00:51:44.500 Israel, is deemed the oppressor, deemed the colonizer. So you mentioned that really the only way that this
00:51:53.440 is going to end is if Israel wins. And they're begging for peace. Some people are going to take
00:52:01.280 issue with that statement. And they've seen images, they've seen videos that really disturbed them.
00:52:07.460 They've heard allegations about what Israel is doing that has really disturbed them. And one of those
00:52:12.100 allegations is that Israel is bombing apartment buildings, that they're bombing indiscriminately.
00:52:17.440 Indiscriminately is a word that I keep seeing. They're bombing hospitals. That was the big story
00:52:23.360 a couple of weeks ago that they bombed a hospital and all of this footage came out. And so a lot of
00:52:27.400 people are saying, wow, why don't you care about all the Palestinians that are dying because of what
00:52:34.280 Israel is doing? Indiscriminately just bombing Palestine into non-existence. What do you say to that?
00:52:41.680 So first of all, the hospital incident, just because I know your audience has been offline
00:52:48.460 for some of the past month or so, that the hospital incident ended up being a massive blood
00:52:53.300 libel in and of itself, right? I mean, we actually soon found out that that rocket
00:52:57.060 came not from Israel, but from Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which is an Iran-funded jihadist outfit in
00:53:03.280 Gaza that's something of a rival of sorts to Hamas. And then the rocket actually didn't even hit the
00:53:07.900 hospital. It hit a parking lot next to the hospital. I think I saw under 50 people died.
00:53:12.880 I think it literally might have been single digits as compared to the initial number of over 500. So
00:53:18.160 that ended up just being total and complete blood libel. Rashida Tlaib, by the way,
00:53:22.400 last time I checked, has not renounced her condemnation of the IDF for that particular assault.
00:53:28.180 More generally speaking here, it's important for the audience to understand what Hamas actually does
00:53:33.540 when it comes to fighting this war. Hamas has the most cynical strategy that any organization has
00:53:38.920 ever devised when it comes to fighting wars. They keep their own people locked into Gaza. We saw
00:53:46.040 footage earlier this month or at the end of last month of Hamas bombing the literal roadways,
00:53:51.760 preventing people from fleeing from northern Gaza to southern Gaza, keeping them in northern Gaza so that
00:53:57.180 they will be more useful cannon fodder for the IDF, thus ginning up more outrage in the
00:54:03.360 eyes of the world. Earlier this week, I saw the IDF was able to secure a humanitarian corridor of
00:54:09.760 innocent Gazans going from northern Gaza to southern Gaza. Who do you think Israel was maintaining that
00:54:14.660 humanitarian corridor against? Against Hamas, against Hamas's own snipers and bombers who are
00:54:19.960 trying to keep them locked there into northern Gaza. More than that, what Hamas does, and they've been doing
00:54:25.720 this for a very long time now since they took over in 2007, they put all of their weaponry in the most
00:54:31.840 sensitive civilian areas imaginable. They put the rocket launchers inside of mosques, inside of day
00:54:37.480 schools, inside of United Nations, UNRWA schools, supermarkets. I mean, they put them where civilians
00:54:43.620 are living. Hamas intersperses itself all throughout Gaza with the entire intent of making it essentially
00:54:51.080 impossible for Israel to go about doing its job and destroying legitimate military targets without
00:54:56.920 some level of collateral damage. Now, the IDF goes above and beyond to warn people to get out.
00:55:03.420 They started this strategy about a decade ago or so where they dropped these leaflets from the planes,
00:55:08.240 essentially saying you have X number of hours to get out. There is Hamas infrastructure here.
00:55:13.860 This building is going to be eradicated. Follow our close instructions. Do not listen to Hamas because
00:55:18.120 they will tell you to stay because they want you to die. So they've been doing this for a long time.
00:55:22.180 It undermines Israel's own military objectives, by the way. It hamstrings their own military
00:55:26.560 efficiency to give them that kind of heads up, but they do it anyway. So, you know, the Western world,
00:55:32.280 I think, fails to understand this. And when Hamas acts like this, when there are when there is collateral
00:55:36.520 damage and there's always going to be collateral damage in war, the tragedy of war, obviously,
00:55:40.600 when there is collateral damage and Hamas is acting like this, these civilian casualties are the
00:55:46.460 result of Hamas. Hamas is the one to blame for it. And, you know, I guess just one final thing that
00:55:53.740 I'll say on this. No one, look, you and I are both pro-life. We believe in the inherent moral
00:55:58.960 dignity of every human being. It's an issue I've been very passionate on. On the other hand,
00:56:05.840 historically speaking, when there is a war and war is terrible is one of the many reasons war should
00:56:10.200 always be avoided. But when there is a war, you know, this notion that the country that is defending
00:56:16.120 itself has to go this far above and beyond to minimize any kind of collateral damage ever is a
00:56:22.500 very kind of modern thing and kind of liberal modern warfare. When the United States responded
00:56:27.340 to Pearl Harbor with the Doolittle raid in Tokyo, bombing Tokyo, when there was the carpet bombing of
00:56:32.280 Dresden, Germany in 1945, you know, this notion that we would be kind of going building by building,
00:56:37.420 kind of microscopically looking for civilian damage and proportionality. It's a very kind of
00:56:42.120 modern way of approaching war and not necessarily always a good thing. But again, nonetheless, Israel
00:56:46.700 just goes above and beyond, beyond what international law requires it to do to try to minimize civilian
00:56:52.500 casualties. And those inevitable casualties are ultimately, legally speaking, at the hands of Hamas.
00:56:58.340 Yeah. Wow. I mean, there's just such a there's such a war against propaganda here, I think,
00:57:05.080 here in the US. And a lot of people just not knowing what to believe. And also with the addition
00:57:12.540 of AI, I've seen a few of the images that have been put out by, you know, pro Palestinian people here
00:57:18.460 that have been clearly AI. When you look closely, you can see that the hands and the feet are computer
00:57:23.720 generated. I saw one of this child that looked like he had just survived a bombing with his dead
00:57:29.560 mother laying there. And he's holding his hand up and he's wearing a Palestinian flag on his shirt.
00:57:35.240 But when you look closely, he actually has six fingers. Because one of the weird things about
00:57:39.140 artificial intelligence is that they can't get hands and hands and feet correct. And so there's
00:57:44.680 a there's a lot of scary misinformation out there that I think is leaving a lot of people to say,
00:57:51.300 well, I just don't know. I just don't know what to think. I don't know who to follow.
00:57:55.200 I don't know what to listen to. And so I'm just not going to care. So tell me, like, who do you
00:58:01.300 think that people should be going to for real information if they want to know more about the
00:58:05.200 history, if they really want to know what's going on there? And if they're really looking to say,
00:58:10.400 okay, what's the solution to this? What should happen next? Like, where should they go to find
00:58:14.180 that information? Well, I mean, the same number of individuals who have been putting out a lot of
00:58:19.720 very good content. You know, there's one woman, I think she's ex-NYPD, who writes, I think, for the
00:58:26.480 New York Post. She's actually written for Newsweek as well. Yael Barter, she has a fantastic Twitter
00:58:31.520 feed. A lot of like individuals like that come immediately to mind. Liel Leibovitz, who's a
00:58:35.820 friend of mine, he writes for Tablo magazine. He has been absolutely prolific since this conflict
00:58:40.320 started. He put together this whole website, essentially, of survivors of October 7th, basically
00:58:45.280 just going there to like hear their first person tales. You know, Trey Yanks, who is Fox News, is
00:58:51.640 on the ground reporter there in southern Israel, I think has been doing amazing work over the past
00:58:55.800 month. I mean, he's literally there on the ground. He's reporting right there live from where it's
00:59:00.260 all happening. Eugene Kontarovich is a friend of mine. He's a legal scholar who can explain all the
00:59:06.240 nuances of so-called occupation, of so-called apartheid, of international law of conflict when it
00:59:11.800 comes to what you and I were just talking about in Gaza. His Twitter feed is an absolute must-follow.
00:59:16.080 Eugene has also written numerous op-eds for the Wall Street Journal over the past month there.
00:59:21.160 And, you know, shameless plug, I mean, I've been writing and podcasting a lot about this topic as
00:59:24.940 well there, obviously. I'm, you know, Josh underscore Hammer on X. I've written a bunch of
00:59:29.260 columns about this. I'll have a new column out probably tomorrow morning on this exact topic there.
00:59:33.020 But no shortage of good information. You kind of just have to know where to look. As you say,
00:59:37.040 it can be difficult sometimes. Yeah. Thank you so much, Josh. I really appreciate you coming on and
00:59:41.760 giving your commentary as always. Allie, thanks so much.
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