Ep 907 ｜ RFK's Feet, Baby Indi & Abortion Wins
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8 month old Indy Gregory has just died after being forced off of life support by the UK government. Also, RFK Jr has been caught barefooted on a commercial flight. This episode is brought to you by GoodRanchers.
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Eight-month-old Indy Gregory has just died after being forced off of life support by the UK
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government. Also, life is apparently a losing issue, as we saw in Ohio and Kentucky,
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but I've got thoughts about that. And very important, RFK Jr. has been caught barefooted
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on a commercial flight. I have many comments, many comments about that one. This episode is
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brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers. Go to GoodRanchers.com. Use code ALI to check out
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this GoodRanchers.com code ALI. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone's having
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a great week so far. Your girl is on the Hot Mess Express this morning. It was a struggle getting
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out the door and into the studio, and yet I'm here. I'm here. I'm sliding in to tell you about all the
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craziness that's going on. But I did want to follow up on a story that I put on Instagram the other day
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that is relevant to me being on the Hot Mess Express. And maybe some of you are feeling the
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same way. By the time you're listening to this, it's the afternoon or maybe it's the next day
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and you're still riding on the Hot Mess Express. That's okay. I want to encourage you not to be
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discouraged by the influencers that you follow on social media and to not let it get to you.
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Something that I've noticed, I don't know why the algorithm on Instagram feeds me these people,
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because they are so not like me. But the, you know, the mom influencers that show their morning
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routine, you know, waking up at 4.45 or whatever. And like, by the way, they had to wake up before
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that because they had to set the tripod up. So maybe they were up at 4.38 and then they got back
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in bed. It's so funny. But anyway, so it's fine though. They, you know, they wake up at 4.45 and
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they do all this stuff before the day, even stars before their kids get up. They have already lived
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like seven lives. And, you know, I watch these things because the algorithm gives them to me.
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And I'm just like impressed. I'm like, wow, that is awesome that you do all that. I wish that I
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were that kind of person. I'm not that kind of person. You know, I'm organized in my own way.
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It's not like I'm sleeping in or anything, but I'm certainly not waking up that early. And
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there's a lot that I do not do that early in the morning. But the thing is, is that I go to the
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comments of those posts and all of the comments are so mean. They're so hateful. They are people
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who are like, why are you posting this? Now I feel so bad about myself. Are you saying because you wake
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up at 4.45 that those of us who wake up at 7.30 are evil? Are bad moms? Are lazy? You're making me
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feel lazy. What about the mom who cannot wake up before 7.45? You're making her feel like an awful
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person. Like people cannot, cannot on social media, it seems, consume content without centering said
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content on themselves, without seeing content that is different than their lives or, you know,
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is maybe better in some ways as a personal attack on them. That's how they take it. And I just want
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to encourage you, if you are that kind of person, we got to get a grip. We got to take a chill pill.
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And you probably need to get off social media. If social media has that power over you to steal your
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joy and to make you feel ashamed and like a terrible person and a terrible mom, just because someone
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wakes up earlier than you, then you shouldn't be on social media. Because you see, I scroll through
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that and maybe I can make you feel better. I scroll through that and I'm like, wow, that is not me at
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all. That lady wakes up two hours before I do. That is not my life, but good for them. And I don't
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really follow those people that much. I don't really follow a lot of like the homemaking accounts,
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but it's not because they make me feel bad. It's not because I don't think that what they do is great.
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It just makes me personally tired. It makes me tired to watch someone make something from scratch
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that makes I feel weary watching that. But for some of you, for some people, you know, you like that and
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I'm proud of that person for doing that. But it's okay if you're not like that. Like we, you can join
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my club, which seems to be in the minority for, you know, our demographic of people who are probably
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never going to make sourdough bread. Like we're just probably not. I'm probably never going to
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make sourdough starter. I don't even really understand what's going on when I see people
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talking about that on social media. I'm probably just going to stick with the store bought bread.
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So if that's you, it's okay. Like you can, we can just be that kind of mom. It doesn't mean that you
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are not a natural lady. It doesn't mean that you're not a good mom. It doesn't mean that you're not a hard
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worker or anything. So anyway, just accept the kind of mother that you are. Do the next right
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thing. Do the best that you can. And I just encourage you, if you cannot follow people on
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social media without making it about yourself or seeing it as an attack on you or like shamefully
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comparing yourself to what they tell you that they're doing, you don't even know if they're
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really doing it. But if you cannot do that, don't allow social media to steal your joy. I don't know,
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it made me think of that. I think it was just the other night when the algorithm was showing me all
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these things. I was looking at the comments. I was like, oh my gosh, this lady is getting so much
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hate just for saying that she wakes up, wakes up early. Just join me on Relatable on the Hot Mess
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Express. We're doing the absolute best that we can. All right. Happy Tuesday. I just wanted to start
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out with that. Okay. Before we get into what we're actually talking about today, which is a great
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shift in tone, something from something lighthearted to something very sad, but important that we really
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need to talk about. Okay. So I want to talk about this awful, awful, awful story out of the UK. And
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unfortunately, this is not the first story like this about baby Indy. And in these next couple
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stories that we're talking about, I'm probably going to bring in Brie to just get her thoughts
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on it. Because we were talking about this before the camera started rolling. A lot of you have
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probably seen her story on social media, or maybe you've just seen snippets of it. Absolute nightmare.
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If you're a mom, or even if you're not a mom, you can imagine how painful this must be for baby
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Indy's parents. So baby Indy was an eight month old. She died Monday morning. So yesterday morning,
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after British health officials mandated that her life support be withdrawn despite offers from the
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Vatican Hospital and Italy PM Georgia Maloney to intervene. So she was born February 24th to Dean
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Gregory and Claire Staniforth in the UK. She was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition known as
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mitochondrial disease. And due to this terminal illness, she became the focus of an intense legal
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battle between her parents and doctors who claimed she was suffering and should be allowed to die
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peacefully. So the doctor said, look, she's in a lot of pain. There's really nothing that we can do for
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her. And so she just has to die. The doctors had pressured her parents to have an abortion until the moment of
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birth. This is what the parents claim because they knew that she had this degenerative disease or this
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uncurable, it seemed to them, a disease. And they didn't. They chose life and she was born and
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they wanted to take her elsewhere. They didn't want to take her off life support. They wanted to see if
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there was another hospital that they could take her to so that she could get the help that she needed.
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And it is unimaginable to me that they were placed in this position that they basically were forced
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by the UK government to remain in a hospital that refused to treat her or who said, you know what,
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we're just not going to be able to keep her alive anymore. So on September 7th, the hospital staff
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requested to withhold some medical treatments like breathing assistance, oxygen therapy, tube CPR due to
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their invasive nature and the severity of her condition. Indy's parents disagreed with the
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doctors, continued to fight for her to remain on life support, hoping that experimental treatments
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would extend her life. On September 26th, the doctors changed their request from withholding some
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medical treatments to removing critical care, saying that it would be kinder to let Indy die. Well,
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of course, her parents, all of you know the love that you have for your child. You would do
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anything, anything to take their pain away, anything to put yourself in their place. It is, it is
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unexplicable, inexplicable pain to see your child in pain. You would do anything to bear their burdens. It
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is far more painful to watch your child in pain than it is to endure pain yourself. So of course, her parents
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said, no, you know, we don't want to hold these medical treatments or remove critical care. We want
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to do everything that she can to stay alive. And look, if you hospital are not willing to do it, if
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these doctors are not willing to do it, let us go. Just let us go somewhere else. Let us go somewhere
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else and allow us to seek treatment. So the hospital asked the high court if they could remove Indy's
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breathing to, despite the parents disagreeing. So they got into obviously a disagreement back and
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forth, the parents in the hospital. So it was moved into the legal realm. And then on October 13th,
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Justice Robert Peel ruled that doctors could lawfully withdraw invasive treatment, saying with a heavy
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heart, I've come to the conclusion that the burdens of invasive treatment outweigh the benefits. I mean,
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how absolutely awful that this is being decided in this way. And then on October 23rd, Indy's parents
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lost an appeal challenging their earlier ruling. On October 30th, Italy offered hope for Indy. The
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Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital in Rome agreed to accept Indy for treatment fully funded by the Italian
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government. The Italian government tried to intervene, solicited permission for her to be cared
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for by the Vatican at Bambino Gesu Children's Hospital. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Maloney wrote
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on social media, they say there isn't much hope for little Indy, but until the very end,
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I'll do what I can to defend her life and to defend the right of her mama and papa to do
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all they can for her. And let me pause there. I do have a question. Brie, I don't know if you know
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the answer to this. Do we know why Italy was willing to help in this way, was willing to kind of go out
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of their way to extend this kind of care for her? I do know. I don't know the answer to that directly,
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but I do know that they've done this before. In other stories of this happening in the UK and
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across Europe, Italy has been the one that has offered full citizenship to a baby or a child
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so they can come and get treatment there. I think it's, this was specifically the Vatican,
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so I think it's Catholic. And I think just pro-life groups there maybe advocate for it and
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try to get people treated there. Yeah, that makes sense. If there is like a specific
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answer that you guys know out there, feel free to comment below. I didn't know if there was some
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kind of connection that the parents had, but on November 2nd, Justice Peel again ruled against
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Indy's parents and denied her transfer to Rome, saying he was satisfied that the move would not
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be in the baby's best interest. How evil does this judge gets to decide that? Like what difference
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does it make to the UK? What difference is if she's going to die anyway, and that is what the
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doctors in the UK decided, if she's going to die anyway, what difference does it make if she dies
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there in the hospital or if she dies on her way to Rome or if she dies in Italy? What difference does
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it make? The parents are the ones who have her, are the ones who have her best interest at heart.
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They're the ones that have known her since she was in the womb. They're the ones who held her
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as she took her first breaths. They're the ones who love her more than anything, who would die for
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her, who would give anything for her to be whole and healed again. Why is it not the parents' decision
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to decide what is in the best interest of their child? And again, what business is it of the US
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government if baby Indy died in the hospital versus on her way to Rome to get some kind of treatment?
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It doesn't make sense to me, except for this is what state-funded health care is. This is what
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universal health care looks like. The state owns you. They decide whether you live or die. And so all
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of this talk about universal health care being the compassionate option, this is what it looks like.
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It looks like parents being prohibited from seeking treatment for their child who is about to die.
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It's evil. It's evil. November 7th and one final legal defeat, Justice Peel denied Indy's parents'
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request for the option of her dying at her family home. So you're not even allowed to do that. Not
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even allowed to do that. The parents wanted their child's treatment to be withdrawn at her home. So
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they said, okay, you know what? You're forcing our child to die, basically, possibly. Now you could
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argue that she was going to die anyway, but you're forcing us to give up on any treatments whatsoever.
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We at least want her to die. If you're forcing us to do that, we at least want her to die with us
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in the comfort of her home. But Justice Peel said, I consider it essential that Indy should continue to
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have clinical treatment of the highest quality carried out in a safe and sustainable setting.
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What does that even mean? Safe and sustainable setting. How is that the hospital, the very
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hospital that is denying her critical care? That will not be available at home. The family appealed
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this decision, but the appeal was denied. Baby Indy was mandated to be removed from life support
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in the hospital. Indy's father, Dean Gregory, said, Claire and I are again disgusted by another
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one-sided decision from the judges and the trust. The whole world is watching and is shocked at how we
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have been treated. The father added, Claire and I have always wanted to do what is in Indy's best
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interest. She has human rights, and we wanted her to have the best treatment possible. If the UK did
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not want to fund it, why can she not go to Italy and receive treatment and care, which the amazing
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Italian prime minister and government has offered? So she was taken off life support. She was forced to
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be taken off life support. She died at 1.45 a.m. on Monday, November 13th. It's just, gosh,
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it brings me to tears. This is what her father said. My wife, Claire, and I are angry, heartbroken,
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and ashamed. The NHS and the courts not only took away her chance to live a longer life, but they
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also took away Indy's dignity to pass away in the family home where she belonged. They managed to take
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Indy's body and dignity, but they will never be able to take her soul. They tried to get rid of Indy
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without anybody knowing, but we made sure she would be remembered forever. I knew she was special from
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the day she was born. Claire held her for her final breast. Can you imagine just not just the pain and
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the sorrow and the suffering of this, but the absolute injustice of this, that possibly this was
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an avoidable outcome? I mean, at least, the least that you can do is grant parents the assurance that
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they did absolutely everything possible to save their child. And if death is inevitable, then okay,
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that's a conclusion that is tragic, but they would be able to accept that if at least they knew
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that they did everything that they possibly could to save their child. But this is universal health
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care. When the state owns your health care, they decide who lives and who dies. And poor little
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Lindy didn't have a voice and she didn't have a choice. All this talk about consent just goes out
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the window when it comes to universal health care. Their poor parents, her poor parents absolutely
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felt helpless. Like no one cared about them. And I thought that this was really interesting
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what her dad said. So he said this to an Italian newspaper. He said, I'm not religious and I'm not
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baptized. But when I was in court, I felt like I had been dragged to hell. I thought if hell exists,
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then heaven must also exist. The experience in court fighting for Indy's life moved him to have her
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baptized. I also read that he felt the pull of hell. It's like he felt the pull of Satan when he
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was in court. He just felt this oppressive evil presence there. And that's what led him to start
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thinking, okay, if evil exists, if evil is real and he saw so much that it was, if darkness is real and
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he felt it in that court, then good must also be real. Then heaven must also be real. If Satan is real,
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then God must also be real. So that's what led her to make this decision for baptism. Now, I'm not
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someone who practices infant baptism and we can, you know, talk about his theology. But look, this is
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someone who wasn't religious, who realized by looking in the face of evil, by experiencing the oppressive
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darkness of hell himself, that he recognized that there's another side to this, that heaven exists
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as well. And so, gosh, we should be praying for the hearts and the minds and the souls of these parents
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who have experienced this injustice and this tragedy. And she's not the first baby to exist or
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to experience this. Over the years, we've seen several children in the UK be subjected to
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this kind of treatment. You don't have rights. You don't have rights when the government decides
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who lives and who dies through universal healthcare. There's Alfie Evans. You probably remember his story
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from several years ago. Equally, equally sad. Archie Battersby, a few others as well. And so, gosh,
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I'm just so saddened by this. I'm so saddened by this tragedy, so saddened by this injustice. As a mom
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of three myself, I just, I can't even imagine. I cannot imagine being faced with something like
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this. I think that I would lose my mind. I really do. I think I would lose my mind and I would be
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screaming at the judge. I would be screaming at the doctors. I just can't imagine being told that you
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have no right to take your child somewhere to seek treatment that could possibly heal them or
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alleviate their pain. So the state not only decides who lives and who dies, but they own your children
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in a system like this. They own your children. This judge, who probably doesn't even know this
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child's birthday, doesn't know what this child's personality is like, what she likes, what she
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dislikes, has never shed a tear over this case probably, got to end this child's life and decide
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where she was going to die in the most impersonal and the most unsympathetic, unempathetic way
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possible. This person who has no personal connection to this child whatsoever says, no, the two people
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who love this child the most, they get no choice and no voice in this matter. That is evil. That is evil.
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Satan is rejoicing over the conclusion of this decision. Gosh, the only thing that comforts me
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in all of this is that God will avenge wickedness. He will avenge wickedness once and for all. People
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who are involved in things like this that don't allow mercy to be extended to the most vulnerable
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people, the most marginalized people in our society, which is always children, they will, unless they
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repent, endure the wrath of him who cares for the vulnerable and fights on their behalf.
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All right, we're going to turn to another injustice and that is abortion and how abortion and the
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quote unquote issue of abortion, if you will, has affected our elections recently. And I'll just give
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you my take on it. Okay, let's talk about abortion elections. So you guys know probably at this
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point what happened in Ohio and Kentucky last week. Unfortunately, life lost, life lost in these
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elections in Ohio and Kentucky. So let me tell you about Ohio first. A lot of you already know this
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because this happened last week. And so you were already in the know and what was happening in these
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elections. But some of you, you don't live in these states and you weren't paying attention at the time.
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So let me give you a little bit about what issue one was slash is in Ohio. So voters in Ohio approved
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issue one, which is a new state constitutional amendment that changes state law on abortion, which is
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obviously a victory for quote unquote abortion rights supporters. The vote was 56.62%. Yes, 43.38%. No.
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So this is the law that will be added to the Ohio state constitution and become law in December. So
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create legal protections for any person or entity that assists a person with receiving reproductive
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medical treatment, including but not limited to abortion, prohibit the state from directly or
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indirectly burdening, penalizing or prohibiting abortion before an unborn child is determined to
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be viable. So any point before 24 weeks about unless the state demonstrates that it is using the least
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restrictive means. Grant a pregnant woman's treating physician the authorities to determine on a case by
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case basis whether an unborn child is viable. So, okay, so I said 24 weeks, then they can restrict it
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after 24 weeks. But they're saying that the doctor gets to determine if a pregnancy is viable, that they have
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the full authority to do that on a case by case basis. So typically, we think of viability as 24 weeks, that's when
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the baby in the womb has a really good chance of being able to survive outside the womb. Of course, that baby has
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been a human since the point of conception. Don't listen to any unserious person who says that that child is not a
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child before 24 weeks. That's stupid. I've had a debate on here with someone about that, and they just
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completely triple over themselves when they try to explain what the child inside the womb is other than a
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human being. It's just absolutely crazy. But we typically say 24 weeks, but babies have survived outside the
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womb as early as 19 weeks. I think that that's the earliest point in gestation where a baby has been born
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prematurely and then helped a lot by the hospital, but has been able to survive after that. But 24 weeks,
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the baby has about 80% chance of surviving outside the womb. That's typically seen as the week of
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viability. However, this is saying that a doctor gets to determine that on a case by case basis. So if a
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pro-abortion doctor decides that a woman at 30 weeks that their baby isn't viable, again, that can be kind of
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a subjective term. And by the way, the diagnoses that are very often given to unborn children that
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the doctor says means that they won't survive outside of the womb, they're not always correct.
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They're not always accurate. There are lots of things that doctors think are going on inside the
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womb with the baby that are not actually determinative of the baby's likelihood to survive.
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And babies defy the odds. Babies defy the odds all the time. So they're saying that this doctor,
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though, that they get to decide on a case by case basis if a baby is viable. So it's not really 24
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weeks that abortion access is cut off according to this law. It could be after that. And just,
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again, just to remind you, like a baby at this point is able to feel pain. The mother has been
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feeling kicks for several weeks here. Don't tell me, by the way, that abortion only happens after
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this point if it's absolutely necessary, that no one wants an abortion after this point. Look,
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abortion is never necessary. It's never necessary when the baby is viable. It's never necessary.
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Um, you can deliver the baby if the child is in danger, if the mother's in danger. It is not
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necessary to kill the child. At any point, it's not necessary to kill the child. Early delivery may
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be necessary, and you do everything you can to protect the life and to preserve the life of the
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mother and child. But killing the child, if you have to take the baby out anyway, is never necessary.
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So we are talking about elective abortions. Like, we are talking about abortions for any reason.
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When this child is fully able to live outside the womb, that's what this Ohio law says is legal
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and must be protected. Always allow an unborn child, the law says, to be aborted at any stage of
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pregnancy, regardless of viability, if in the treating physician's determination, the abortion is
00:26:10.920
necessary to protect the pregnant woman's life or health. So we've talked about this phrase life or
00:26:16.980
health before, and we see this come up in every liberal abortion law. Um, going back to, uh, the
00:26:24.660
New York law that we talked about, I think that was passed at the beginning of 2019. That was an
00:26:30.380
extremely liberal law that we now see in Illinois and California and several other liberal states as
00:26:35.400
well. That allows abortion for any reason up until the point of birth by using this phrase. If the
00:26:42.460
doctor decides that it is necessary to protect the woman's life or health, well, what does life or
00:26:47.580
health mean? According to the Supreme court case, Doe v. Bolton, the health of the mother includes mental
00:26:53.820
health, includes emotional health, includes age, includes familial situation. All of these things are
00:27:00.040
very subjective. So you can read into that and read for any reason. So if the physician decides,
00:27:05.560
oh yeah, you're pregnant, you're 38 weeks pregnant and, uh, you aren't doing well, you're emotionally
00:27:13.000
unstable, your boyfriend left you, whatever it is, you can have an abortion. And the state in Ohio,
00:27:19.200
the government in Ohio can do absolutely nothing about that. And if you say, well, that never happens,
00:27:24.480
then why does it need to be legal? If that never happens, then why does it have to be a right?
00:27:29.600
Why does it have to be written into law? It does happen, by the way, according to the
00:27:34.360
Guttmacher Institute's own numbers, that's the research arm of arm of Planned Parenthood,
00:27:39.340
at least 10,000 abortions happen every year after the age of viability, after 24 weeks,
00:27:46.820
late-term abortions. Don't tell me that never happens. And again, don't tell me it happens only
00:27:51.120
when it's necessary. It's never necessary to kill a child. It's never necessary. Again, early delivery
00:27:57.140
might be necessary. It's not necessary to kill the child before you deliver them. That doesn't help
00:28:01.740
anyone's health. And of course, as we know, that's murder. So Ohio just enshrined into law
00:28:09.980
the right to kill a baby up until the point of birth for virtually any reason. And I had someone
00:28:19.240
come at me on Twitter and say, oh, you don't understand this issue. You don't understand this
00:28:23.480
issue at all. If you think that someone, that anyone is saying that you should be able to abort
00:28:29.560
your child for the heck of it until birth, you don't really understand. No, you don't understand,
00:28:34.520
you naive little ignorant person. You don't understand. You don't understand. That is exactly
00:28:39.800
what this law is. That's exactly what the abortion laws on the books that are being pushed say.
00:28:45.440
That for essentially any reason, you can murder a child just because they're in the womb. And of
00:28:53.260
course, as we heard from the Virginia governor a few years ago, that even if a child survives an
00:28:59.000
abortion, the parents don't want the baby. You make the baby comfortable, put them off to the side
00:29:05.680
as the parents and the doctor decide what to do. Wow. Wow. That's the abortion movement today.
00:29:12.420
Okay. And it's, I mean, it's even more gruesome than that. We've talked about what some of these
00:29:17.880
abortionists do to women and to children, how they crush their skulls and how they decapitate
00:29:23.960
these children inside the womb, tearing them apart limb from limb. Like, you know what even just a
00:29:28.700
second trimester abortion is, right? As we've talked about several times, I think it's so important to
00:29:33.820
explain this. So, and some of you get mad when I don't give a trigger warning, consider this your
00:29:39.080
trigger warning. But I think, like, if a baby can endure the abortion, we can stand to hear about it.
00:29:46.600
There is a long needle that the abortionist takes, filled with the same poisonous chemical
00:29:54.960
combination that is given in lethal injections to murderers on death row. A needle of this poisonous
00:30:05.200
chemical combination is inserted into the woman's abdomen, goes straight into the heart of the baby
00:30:11.280
as the doctor's looking on the ultrasound to make sure they get straight into the baby's heart. Now,
00:30:16.840
the baby at this point, if you have to do this for an abortion, that baby at this point is wiggling
00:30:22.380
and moving. And it might be difficult for the doctor to actually insert the needle right into the heart
00:30:30.740
of the child. But that's the goal. Looking at the ultrasound, inserting this poisonous chemical
00:30:35.600
combination into the baby's heart. They insert it into the baby's heart as the baby can feel pain,
00:30:42.540
is writhing in pain, is wiggling, and then that chemical combination causes the baby's heart to
00:30:48.360
stop beating. So they die from cardiac arrest in the womb, they stop moving, and then the baby is
00:30:55.520
delivered dead. So that's second trimester abortion. All abortion is brutal. All abortion is brutal.
00:31:03.460
Whether it's a D&E, whether it's a D&X, whether it's the baby is being poisoned through the abortion
00:31:09.460
pill in the first trimester, it's all brutal. It's all murder. It's never justified. It's never necessary.
00:31:18.760
Again, if the mother's life is at risk, even if it's early on, you do everything that you can
00:31:23.800
to save both of them, to preserve both of them. Early delivery might be necessary, which might end
00:31:29.160
in the death of the child, which is tragic, but we don't purposely kill the child. We don't dismember
00:31:34.780
the child. We don't poison the child. But that's just, that's what Ohio just said is legal through
00:31:40.680
all stages of pregnancy. Through 40 weeks gestation, as long as the mental and emotional health of the
00:31:48.300
mother, according to the physician, is negatively impacted. And from what I've heard from people
00:31:55.300
in Ohio, is that there were Christians, their friends, people at their church, who voted yes on
00:32:01.980
this issue. Why? I think a few reasons. One reason is that they're not, some of them are not really
00:32:14.880
Christians. They don't love God's word. They don't love God's image bearers. They're liberal. They're
00:32:23.000
taken by progressive propaganda, and they think that being pro-choice is empathetic. And so they're just
00:32:30.600
not believers. That's one possibility. They're not filled with the Holy Spirit. So they're just not
00:32:36.340
convicted of that at all. They could be baby Christians. So they just haven't been sanctified
00:32:43.060
of their evil inclination to vote for the murder of children. That's one option. Two, I mean, two or
00:32:49.120
three, whichever, I'm kind of like putting all of these together. But another option, and I don't say
00:32:56.120
this, like, I'm not trying to be rude. I think that this is just an accurate description of some
00:33:01.880
people. They could also just be stupid. It's a possibility, right? Like, they could just be dumb,
00:33:07.920
like lack intelligence and the ability to critically think. And so they hear the propaganda by Planned
00:33:13.380
Parenthood and some of the Democratic politicians and some liberal people in the media, and they just
00:33:18.480
nod their head, and they have got nothing going on in there, really. It's just a bunch of, like,
00:33:23.260
white noise. It could be that. It could just be that they cannot critically think. They don't have
00:33:30.340
the capacity to do it. I think that's a small percentage of people, to be honest. I don't think
00:33:36.460
very many people are truly that stupid, but it's possible. And then I think that there's, like,
00:33:42.760
another contingency, or there's another group of people who, and this is really evil,
00:33:48.860
who they do know better. They do know better. And they know what abortion is. And they wouldn't
00:33:57.720
personally do it themselves, but they don't want to think about it too hard because being pro-life
00:34:04.460
is unpopular, and it's controversial, and it would get them in trouble at their job or with their
00:34:12.080
friends or with a family member. And so they don't want to think too hard about the reality of the
00:34:18.180
abortion procedure, and they just think that they're covering themselves by saying, well,
00:34:23.380
I wouldn't personally have an abortion, but I will vote for others to be able to,
00:34:29.600
which is a wicked, wicked, and also stupid position to take. It's just a completely,
00:34:37.460
it's not a feasible, it's not a coherent position to take either. I mean, as other people have pointed
00:34:44.640
out, it's like saying, well, you personally won't own slaves, but you don't take issue with other
00:34:49.400
people doing it. You think that people should at least have access to slavery, right? Like,
00:34:53.600
people should at least have access to indentured servitude. Even if you wouldn't personally partake
00:34:58.680
in it, you're not going to oppose other people doing it. Well, that just means that you don't see
00:35:05.220
those slaves or in our conversation here, the babies inside the womb as true image bearers of God,
00:35:12.640
which is a non-biblical position and a logical position. So that's what happened in Ohio. And
00:35:19.520
I know a lot of you were really sad about that. I'm super sad about that. Joe Biden was excited
00:35:23.920
about it. President Obama was excited about it. They gave their own commentary about it. In Kentucky,
00:35:30.400
pro-choice Democrat, Governor Andy Beshear won a second term, Daniel Cameron, who I really liked.
00:35:36.360
He lost, which was really sad. And so again, that is a red state, what people think of as a red state.
00:35:46.800
It's probably purple now, just like Ohio. That is them saying, you know, we are, we're not strong
00:35:54.480
enough on life to put people in office and to vote against issues that align with our position on
00:36:05.280
life, which is extremely sad. Now, the reaction that you have is what I want to react to and respond to
00:36:12.780
from a lot of conservative commentators saying that we need to compromise, the right needs to compromise
00:36:18.340
on abortion or else Republicans are going to lose elections. And that that is why Republicans lose
00:36:23.540
elections. Because we're too extremist on abortion.
00:36:40.380
All right. So there were quite a few, quite a few conservatives saying that pro-lifers are to
00:36:49.140
blame for Republicans losing. And Coulter said pro-lifers are going to wipe out the Republican
00:36:54.560
party. Mike Kernovich said, if you want to be pro-life, no exception is good for you.
00:37:01.880
Lose every election. Have no political power. And then there were other people on Twitter who
00:37:10.840
were saying the same thing that, look, this is just an extremist position. And as long as you take that,
00:37:17.760
there are going to be people, Democrats and even moderates who react to your extremist position on
00:37:23.960
abortion by, you know, voting Democrats in as crazy as Democrats are. I don't understand why the side
00:37:33.920
that is against murder has to be the side to compromise. Like I just read you issue one from
00:37:39.440
Ohio, very similar to the laws in New York, Illinois, California, Colorado, Washington, that virtually allow
00:37:47.180
abortion through all nine months for any reason. Celebrated, no apologies.
00:37:57.480
They are not interested in compromise. They're not interested in acquiescence. They're not interested
00:38:03.360
in ceding any ground. Like why do we have to be the ones to compromise? They are the extremist.
00:38:09.160
Abortion is extreme. Abortion is extreme. Abortion dismembers a human being. Abortion poisons a child.
00:38:18.880
Abortion, allowing abortion, wanting abortion at any point in pregnancy is extreme. Being against that
00:38:25.500
is the most sane and common sense and compassionate and humane position to take. Why do I have to be the
00:38:33.440
one to compromise? Am I going to win over the barbarians by compromising? No. These people
00:38:42.900
would fight just as hard against a 25-week ban as they would against a six-week ban. And so what do I
00:38:51.820
win by compromising? We lose more baby lives. I don't believe that we would win any more elections
00:38:59.660
by saying, okay, we're okay with abortion through 20 weeks. Like, I don't believe it. I don't believe
00:39:07.520
it. Planned Parenthood and the abortion lobby would have just as much money. They would be pushing just
00:39:13.980
as many lies, just as much propaganda, would be fighting just as hard to defeat any pro-life measure
00:39:22.740
if we decided, if the pro-life side decided to compromise and equivocate and give them a little
00:39:28.460
ground. Like, I just don't believe that we would be winning more elections if we said, okay, just a
00:39:34.760
little baby murder is fine. Just a little baby murder. Maybe just through halfway through the
00:39:39.720
pregnancy. I'm sorry. These people are bloodthirsty. These people love abortion. They love death. I'm not
00:39:47.040
saying that everyone who considers themselves pro-choices like that, maybe some people consider
00:39:52.140
themselves reluctantly pro-choice. I'm talking about the abortion lobby, the Democrat politicians,
00:39:57.900
people at Shout Your Abortion, NARAL, Planned Parenthood. These people are absolutely bloodthirsty,
00:40:03.740
and they want the blood of children through all nine months of pregnancy. No compromise. No apologies.
00:40:09.480
That's not an exaggeration, okay? That's not hyperbole. That's not ad hominem. That is what it is.
00:40:15.400
That's what these laws say. So I am not going to take the position of compromise. Even if it were
00:40:24.420
true, which I don't think it is, even if it were true that if Republicans decided that they have to
00:40:29.780
be the ones to compromise on abortion, that they would all of a sudden win all of these elections,
00:40:33.820
which, by the way, President Trump believes that too. He criticized Ron DeSantis for banning abortion
00:40:38.980
after a heartbeat is detected in Florida. Even if that were true, I wouldn't compromise on it.
00:40:45.980
Even if it were true that Republicans, when all the elections, if we would just let go of this
00:40:51.320
little issue of murdering children inside the womb, I wouldn't be able to compromise on it.
00:40:55.900
That's not moral. That's not right. And see, that is, I do actually agree in a sense, like in general,
00:41:03.200
that is why the right loses. Because there are things that we're not willing to do. There are
00:41:09.840
places that we are not willing to go to win. Like there are lies that we are not willing to tell,
00:41:18.360
things that we are not willing to say because we have moral limits. We have limiting principles
00:41:25.160
that say even if, if someone said, okay, Republicans will win all elections here on out if they just allow
00:41:32.520
abortion through 20 weeks or whatever it is. Uh, there are too many of us who simply wouldn't do
00:41:39.360
that. We wouldn't go for it. It wouldn't be worth it because I'm against abortion, not because I'm a
00:41:45.160
Republican, but because I'm a Christian. And so while of course I want the better candidate to win,
00:41:52.280
and I think that is almost in every case, if not every case, Republicans, I'm not willing to
00:41:57.340
equivocate on that. I'm not willing to give that up. There is nothing on the left that they are not
00:42:04.480
willing, uh, that they're not willing to do. Like they will do absolutely anything, tell any lie in
00:42:14.340
order to win because their goal is power. Our goal is principle. And so those, I mean, as I've heard,
00:42:22.440
I think it's Aaron McIntyre often say the side that, uh, wants to win will always beat the side
00:42:31.680
who wants to be left alone. Um, and that's kind of, I, and I think that that is true of Republicans
00:42:39.600
and Democrats. That's kind of speaking to a different issue is that like, we just want freedom
00:42:45.920
and we just want to be left alone and they just want to win. But that's also true when you're looking
00:42:50.580
at like the limiting principles of the right versus the completely, uh, the complete lack of
00:42:57.440
limitation of the left when it comes to morality and principles. Their principle is power. Their goal
00:43:03.100
is power. They want to win. Like they don't have any qualms with telling you a lie about abortion.
00:43:10.100
They don't have any qualms with propaganda. They're willing to win at whatever cost. And the right's just
00:43:17.600
not willing to do that. I'm okay with that ultimately because I'm seeing beyond our current
00:43:23.120
political moment and winning elections. I am looking at the bigger eternal picture and I know
00:43:30.940
that I am held responsible for, for not the, whether or not we win elections or whether or not
00:43:38.140
the right ultimately prevails. There's a much bigger non-political narrative going on, um, that I care
00:43:45.500
much more about. Um, and so I'm just not willing to go there even if it's true. Again, I don't believe
00:43:54.280
it is. I believe it's, um, I believe that the right and the pro-life movement has less money. We're less
00:44:04.240
united. We have less of a cohesive message. We have a lot more infighting. Um, we need more funding,
00:44:12.840
more money, a more cohesive message, a more united front. And we just don't have that right now.
00:44:20.340
That's what I think it is. That's what I think it is. I think that that is why we lose. I also think,
00:44:26.560
as I've said before, that it's much easier to demolish than it is to build. And the right is
00:44:32.180
seeking to build and the left is seeking to destroy. They just want to tear down everything
00:44:36.880
that is good, right, and true. They want to tear down systems and institutions. They have no idea what
00:44:41.540
they're going to replace them with, but they're just destroying. It's much easier to do that.
00:44:46.700
You can use all different kinds of tools to tear down a building. But if you're building a building,
00:44:51.900
everyone has to agree on the materials that you're going to use. Everyone has to agree on the
00:44:55.820
foundation that you're going to lay. You have to agree on the methods and the tools that you are
00:44:59.960
going to use and what this building is going to look like. That's what the right is trying to do.
00:45:04.840
That's much more difficult when you have people who disagree. On the left, you can disagree
00:45:09.660
and you can still effectively bulldoze something, you know? And so it's more difficult for the right
00:45:16.260
to win, I think, for that purpose as well. Anyway, I just want to say I'm not going to compromise on
00:45:21.960
abortion. It's too important. You're talking about murdering children. That's not something I want to
00:45:26.280
compromise on. All right. Indeed, on another lighthearted note, and that is RFK Jr.
00:45:44.940
RFK Jr., the plane scandal. So I first saw this reported by Blaze TV's Alex Stein.
00:45:52.500
And Justin Haskins actually is the one who took the photograph. We have had him on the podcast
00:45:59.120
several times to talk about the Great Reset. And he is an expert in a lot of our favorite things that
00:46:07.440
we like to talk about. So we've had Justin on several times. He took the photo, but Alex Stein
00:46:11.560
reported it on his show. So I do know, I do know that this is a genuine story. This is a genuine
00:46:20.040
picture. So he was on a flight on November 2nd, an American Airlines flight on November 2nd from
00:46:25.500
Portland to Dallas. And here he is, RFK Jr., barefoot on the plane. Now, if you guys know anything about
00:46:34.200
me, you guys know I'm very serious about my air travel rules. There are several rules we don't have
00:46:38.740
time to get into right now. But one of my biggest is that you have to wear socks and shoes when you
00:46:46.780
travel. You must. And so I just want to read you my official statement. This is from the Department
00:46:51.820
of the Air Travel Czar, which is me. Biden didn't appoint me. I appointed myself. That's what czars
00:46:57.480
do. So I am the head of the Department of Air Travel, which includes rules on what you should and
00:47:06.020
should not wear. So here is my statement on this. Since many of you guys have been asking, it is posted
00:47:10.240
on Instagram if you would like to share far and wide so everyone knows. So many of you, this is for
00:47:14.780
immediate release, by the way. Many of you may have seen the disturbing photograph of presidential
00:47:20.060
nominee and environmentalist Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr. traipsing down the aisle of a
00:47:25.220
commercial aircraft A321 EOW operated by American Airlines. We are aware of the situation, have launched
00:47:34.260
a full investigation. Our initial findings show that Mr. Kennedy demonstrated at least a flagrant
00:47:40.680
disregard for the visible crumbs beneath his feet, which likely crunched as he walked on them,
00:47:44.960
and profound disrespect for the airport czar's rules, which explicitly prohibit unshoed feet on
00:47:50.380
any commercial aircraft. The fact that Mr. Kennedy does not even have socks on represents a crime
00:47:55.340
heretofore unseen by our department. We appreciate the concern of the public and take your complaint
00:48:00.940
seriously. Depending on the results of our investigation, RFK Jr. may be fined up to $5,768,634,
00:48:07.760
$634.94 and made to watch $186, rather, consecutive hours of Dr. Anthony Fauci interviews and press
00:48:20.000
conferences in the location of our choosing. That location is still to be determined. There
00:48:24.900
will be no further comment at this time. Allie Beth Suckey, airport czar. You are welcome for that.
00:48:33.000
Um, RFK, please report to our department, um, which is right here in the studio. Um, that is
00:48:42.420
how I am going to get RFK Jr. to come on my show, which I have asked him to do several times to no
00:48:49.000
avail, but now he has to. He has to, or he will be fined over $5 million from the Department of Air
00:48:56.240
Travels Art. House and Habit shared this post. Wow, she has over a million followers, a lot of few
00:49:01.980
followers. So we made it, y'all. I've been waiting for my authority as the airports are to be
00:49:06.260
respected. Every time I go on the airplane, I realize that it's not because I see people with
00:49:11.540
their dogs just out. Yuck. Um, but I feel like since House and Habit shared this, it's legit.
00:49:19.560
I don't know, Bree, what do you think? Is this disqualifying for the presidency?
00:49:23.520
I think his campaign is over. Over. Which is what Justin Haskins also said. So we're, I think
00:49:30.380
we're, we're all agreeing about that. Apparently there were also like little crumbs. You mentioned
00:49:35.980
this. Yeah. Crumbs. But Justin even said there were crumbs and like debris on the ground there
00:49:41.100
and he was just walking. Traipsing. And he had just gone to the lavatory. Yeah. Mm-mm. Yeah. It's
00:49:49.100
truly levels we have not seen. Mm-mm. The liquid on the ground in the lavatory and the airplane
00:49:55.460
is not water. No. Or Gatorade. No. And I, I also just want to mention that when, um, whoever
00:50:02.800
it was sent this to, uh, Alex Stein's producer, they had the feet blurred in the photo. I appreciate
00:50:11.140
that. Oh, see, I thought that it was because he was walking so fast. Well, this photo it
00:50:17.800
is, but the one that they sent him, they were even more blurred. Like, well, those are supposed
00:50:23.480
to be private on a plane. So I get it. I get it. Um, you know, all in good fun, we would
00:50:30.300
still like RFK Jr. to come on Relatable. So I hope he doesn't have any hard feelings about
00:50:36.640
this, but you do have to wear shoes on my show, on my set. That is a rule. Um, all right.
00:50:41.860
Okay. That's all we've got time for today. We, I was going to ask our resident Swifty
00:50:46.420
to comment on, uh, Taylor and Travis. Some of you care about that. Some of you do not.
00:50:53.160
Um, but you know, something for everyone on this here Relatable show. All right. We will