Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 907 ｜ RFK's Feet, Baby Indi & Abortion Wins

00:00:00.000 Eight-month-old Indy Gregory has just died after being forced off of life support by the UK

00:00:07.740 government. Also, life is apparently a losing issue, as we saw in Ohio and Kentucky,

00:00:16.860 but I've got thoughts about that. And very important, RFK Jr. has been caught barefooted

00:00:24.380 on a commercial flight. I have many comments, many comments about that one. This episode is

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00:00:38.220 this GoodRanchers.com code ALI. Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone's having

00:00:53.000 a great week so far. Your girl is on the Hot Mess Express this morning. It was a struggle getting

00:01:01.180 out the door and into the studio, and yet I'm here. I'm here. I'm sliding in to tell you about all the

00:01:09.280 craziness that's going on. But I did want to follow up on a story that I put on Instagram the other day

00:01:17.500 that is relevant to me being on the Hot Mess Express. And maybe some of you are feeling the

00:01:21.700 same way. By the time you're listening to this, it's the afternoon or maybe it's the next day

00:01:25.820 and you're still riding on the Hot Mess Express. That's okay. I want to encourage you not to be

00:01:33.180 discouraged by the influencers that you follow on social media and to not let it get to you.

00:01:40.020 Something that I've noticed, I don't know why the algorithm on Instagram feeds me these people,

00:01:45.260 because they are so not like me. But the, you know, the mom influencers that show their morning

00:01:51.780 routine, you know, waking up at 4.45 or whatever. And like, by the way, they had to wake up before

00:01:58.340 that because they had to set the tripod up. So maybe they were up at 4.38 and then they got back

00:02:03.920 in bed. It's so funny. But anyway, so it's fine though. They, you know, they wake up at 4.45 and

00:02:10.020 they do all this stuff before the day, even stars before their kids get up. They have already lived

00:02:15.660 like seven lives. And, you know, I watch these things because the algorithm gives them to me.

00:02:21.420 And I'm just like impressed. I'm like, wow, that is awesome that you do all that. I wish that I

00:02:26.060 were that kind of person. I'm not that kind of person. You know, I'm organized in my own way.

00:02:31.700 It's not like I'm sleeping in or anything, but I'm certainly not waking up that early. And

00:02:36.300 there's a lot that I do not do that early in the morning. But the thing is, is that I go to the

00:02:42.280 comments of those posts and all of the comments are so mean. They're so hateful. They are people

00:02:49.480 who are like, why are you posting this? Now I feel so bad about myself. Are you saying because you wake

00:02:55.400 up at 4.45 that those of us who wake up at 7.30 are evil? Are bad moms? Are lazy? You're making me

00:03:01.660 feel lazy. What about the mom who cannot wake up before 7.45? You're making her feel like an awful

00:03:08.280 person. Like people cannot, cannot on social media, it seems, consume content without centering said

00:03:19.040 content on themselves, without seeing content that is different than their lives or, you know,

00:03:26.460 is maybe better in some ways as a personal attack on them. That's how they take it. And I just want

00:03:34.180 to encourage you, if you are that kind of person, we got to get a grip. We got to take a chill pill.

00:03:39.620 And you probably need to get off social media. If social media has that power over you to steal your

00:03:44.660 joy and to make you feel ashamed and like a terrible person and a terrible mom, just because someone

00:03:51.780 wakes up earlier than you, then you shouldn't be on social media. Because you see, I scroll through

00:03:57.040 that and maybe I can make you feel better. I scroll through that and I'm like, wow, that is not me at

00:04:02.000 all. That lady wakes up two hours before I do. That is not my life, but good for them. And I don't

00:04:08.740 really follow those people that much. I don't really follow a lot of like the homemaking accounts,

00:04:13.580 but it's not because they make me feel bad. It's not because I don't think that what they do is great.

00:04:19.420 It just makes me personally tired. It makes me tired to watch someone make something from scratch

00:04:25.160 that makes I feel weary watching that. But for some of you, for some people, you know, you like that and

00:04:33.020 I'm proud of that person for doing that. But it's okay if you're not like that. Like we, you can join

00:04:39.580 my club, which seems to be in the minority for, you know, our demographic of people who are probably

00:04:47.080 never going to make sourdough bread. Like we're just probably not. I'm probably never going to

00:04:52.080 make sourdough starter. I don't even really understand what's going on when I see people

00:04:56.740 talking about that on social media. I'm probably just going to stick with the store bought bread.

00:05:01.420 So if that's you, it's okay. Like you can, we can just be that kind of mom. It doesn't mean that you

00:05:09.720 are not a natural lady. It doesn't mean that you're not a good mom. It doesn't mean that you're not a hard

00:05:16.400 worker or anything. So anyway, just accept the kind of mother that you are. Do the next right

00:05:24.240 thing. Do the best that you can. And I just encourage you, if you cannot follow people on

00:05:29.040 social media without making it about yourself or seeing it as an attack on you or like shamefully

00:05:35.480 comparing yourself to what they tell you that they're doing, you don't even know if they're

00:05:39.200 really doing it. But if you cannot do that, don't allow social media to steal your joy. I don't know,

00:05:46.120 it made me think of that. I think it was just the other night when the algorithm was showing me all

00:05:49.560 these things. I was looking at the comments. I was like, oh my gosh, this lady is getting so much

00:05:52.820 hate just for saying that she wakes up, wakes up early. Just join me on Relatable on the Hot Mess

00:05:59.240 Express. We're doing the absolute best that we can. All right. Happy Tuesday. I just wanted to start

00:06:04.760 out with that. Okay. Before we get into what we're actually talking about today, which is a great

00:06:08.860 shift in tone, something from something lighthearted to something very sad, but important that we really

00:06:14.580 need to talk about. Okay. So I want to talk about this awful, awful, awful story out of the UK. And

00:06:33.240 unfortunately, this is not the first story like this about baby Indy. And in these next couple

00:06:39.200 stories that we're talking about, I'm probably going to bring in Brie to just get her thoughts

00:06:43.960 on it. Because we were talking about this before the camera started rolling. A lot of you have

00:06:48.000 probably seen her story on social media, or maybe you've just seen snippets of it. Absolute nightmare.

00:06:54.540 If you're a mom, or even if you're not a mom, you can imagine how painful this must be for baby

00:07:00.840 Indy's parents. So baby Indy was an eight month old. She died Monday morning. So yesterday morning,

00:07:07.360 after British health officials mandated that her life support be withdrawn despite offers from the

00:07:13.480 Vatican Hospital and Italy PM Georgia Maloney to intervene. So she was born February 24th to Dean

00:07:22.680 Gregory and Claire Staniforth in the UK. She was diagnosed with a rare genetic condition known as

00:07:28.580 mitochondrial disease. And due to this terminal illness, she became the focus of an intense legal 0.91

00:07:35.480 battle between her parents and doctors who claimed she was suffering and should be allowed to die

00:07:41.220 peacefully. So the doctor said, look, she's in a lot of pain. There's really nothing that we can do for

00:07:48.700 her. And so she just has to die. The doctors had pressured her parents to have an abortion until the moment of 1.00

00:08:00.120 birth. This is what the parents claim because they knew that she had this degenerative disease or this

00:08:07.260 uncurable, it seemed to them, a disease. And they didn't. They chose life and she was born and

00:08:14.440 they wanted to take her elsewhere. They didn't want to take her off life support. They wanted to see if 0.88

00:08:19.960 there was another hospital that they could take her to so that she could get the help that she needed.

00:08:25.340 And it is unimaginable to me that they were placed in this position that they basically were forced

00:08:34.100 by the UK government to remain in a hospital that refused to treat her or who said, you know what,

00:08:40.500 we're just not going to be able to keep her alive anymore. So on September 7th, the hospital staff

00:08:44.880 requested to withhold some medical treatments like breathing assistance, oxygen therapy, tube CPR due to

00:08:51.820 their invasive nature and the severity of her condition. Indy's parents disagreed with the

00:08:57.600 doctors, continued to fight for her to remain on life support, hoping that experimental treatments

00:09:02.160 would extend her life. On September 26th, the doctors changed their request from withholding some

00:09:07.600 medical treatments to removing critical care, saying that it would be kinder to let Indy die. Well,

00:09:13.320 of course, her parents, all of you know the love that you have for your child. You would do

00:09:18.020 anything, anything to take their pain away, anything to put yourself in their place. It is, it is

00:09:25.180 unexplicable, inexplicable pain to see your child in pain. You would do anything to bear their burdens. It

00:09:33.920 is far more painful to watch your child in pain than it is to endure pain yourself. So of course, her parents

00:09:41.320 said, no, you know, we don't want to hold these medical treatments or remove critical care. We want

00:09:47.960 to do everything that she can to stay alive. And look, if you hospital are not willing to do it, if

00:09:52.680 these doctors are not willing to do it, let us go. Just let us go somewhere else. Let us go somewhere

00:09:57.820 else and allow us to seek treatment. So the hospital asked the high court if they could remove Indy's

00:10:05.220 breathing to, despite the parents disagreeing. So they got into obviously a disagreement back and

00:10:11.740 forth, the parents in the hospital. So it was moved into the legal realm. And then on October 13th,

00:10:16.820 Justice Robert Peel ruled that doctors could lawfully withdraw invasive treatment, saying with a heavy

00:10:23.560 heart, I've come to the conclusion that the burdens of invasive treatment outweigh the benefits. I mean,

00:10:28.180 how absolutely awful that this is being decided in this way. And then on October 23rd, Indy's parents

00:10:34.720 lost an appeal challenging their earlier ruling. On October 30th, Italy offered hope for Indy. The

00:10:40.880 Bambino Gesu Pediatric Hospital in Rome agreed to accept Indy for treatment fully funded by the Italian

00:10:47.780 government. The Italian government tried to intervene, solicited permission for her to be cared

00:10:52.780 for by the Vatican at Bambino Gesu Children's Hospital. Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Maloney wrote

00:11:00.280 on social media, they say there isn't much hope for little Indy, but until the very end,

00:11:03.700 I'll do what I can to defend her life and to defend the right of her mama and papa to do

00:11:08.760 all they can for her. And let me pause there. I do have a question. Brie, I don't know if you know

00:11:13.640 the answer to this. Do we know why Italy was willing to help in this way, was willing to kind of go out

00:11:22.380 of their way to extend this kind of care for her? I do know. I don't know the answer to that directly,

00:11:28.260 but I do know that they've done this before. In other stories of this happening in the UK and

00:11:33.580 across Europe, Italy has been the one that has offered full citizenship to a baby or a child

00:11:39.280 so they can come and get treatment there. I think it's, this was specifically the Vatican,

00:11:44.380 so I think it's Catholic. And I think just pro-life groups there maybe advocate for it and

00:11:51.540 try to get people treated there. Yeah, that makes sense. If there is like a specific

00:11:57.480 answer that you guys know out there, feel free to comment below. I didn't know if there was some

00:12:02.780 kind of connection that the parents had, but on November 2nd, Justice Peel again ruled against

00:12:08.440 Indy's parents and denied her transfer to Rome, saying he was satisfied that the move would not

00:12:13.480 be in the baby's best interest. How evil does this judge gets to decide that? Like what difference

00:12:19.460 does it make to the UK? What difference is if she's going to die anyway, and that is what the

00:12:25.060 doctors in the UK decided, if she's going to die anyway, what difference does it make if she dies

00:12:29.920 there in the hospital or if she dies on her way to Rome or if she dies in Italy? What difference does

00:12:35.240 it make? The parents are the ones who have her, are the ones who have her best interest at heart.

00:12:40.800 They're the ones that have known her since she was in the womb. They're the ones who held her

00:12:45.260 as she took her first breaths. They're the ones who love her more than anything, who would die for

00:12:51.120 her, who would give anything for her to be whole and healed again. Why is it not the parents' decision

00:12:58.600 to decide what is in the best interest of their child? And again, what business is it of the US

00:13:04.120 government if baby Indy died in the hospital versus on her way to Rome to get some kind of treatment?

00:13:11.820 It doesn't make sense to me, except for this is what state-funded health care is. This is what

00:13:18.840 universal health care looks like. The state owns you. They decide whether you live or die. And so all

00:13:26.940 of this talk about universal health care being the compassionate option, this is what it looks like.

00:13:33.080 It looks like parents being prohibited from seeking treatment for their child who is about to die.

00:13:40.880 It's evil. It's evil. November 7th and one final legal defeat, Justice Peel denied Indy's parents'

00:13:49.460 request for the option of her dying at her family home. So you're not even allowed to do that. Not

00:13:54.380 even allowed to do that. The parents wanted their child's treatment to be withdrawn at her home. So

00:13:58.840 they said, okay, you know what? You're forcing our child to die, basically, possibly. Now you could

00:14:05.720 argue that she was going to die anyway, but you're forcing us to give up on any treatments whatsoever.

00:14:12.100 We at least want her to die. If you're forcing us to do that, we at least want her to die with us

00:14:17.260 in the comfort of her home. But Justice Peel said, I consider it essential that Indy should continue to 0.54

00:14:24.980 have clinical treatment of the highest quality carried out in a safe and sustainable setting.

00:14:29.200 What does that even mean? Safe and sustainable setting. How is that the hospital, the very

00:14:35.820 hospital that is denying her critical care? That will not be available at home. The family appealed

00:14:43.460 this decision, but the appeal was denied. Baby Indy was mandated to be removed from life support

00:14:47.500 in the hospital. Indy's father, Dean Gregory, said, Claire and I are again disgusted by another

00:14:52.760 one-sided decision from the judges and the trust. The whole world is watching and is shocked at how we

00:14:57.900 have been treated. The father added, Claire and I have always wanted to do what is in Indy's best

00:15:02.080 interest. She has human rights, and we wanted her to have the best treatment possible. If the UK did

00:15:06.780 not want to fund it, why can she not go to Italy and receive treatment and care, which the amazing 0.97

00:15:12.640 Italian prime minister and government has offered? So she was taken off life support. She was forced to

00:15:20.080 be taken off life support. She died at 1.45 a.m. on Monday, November 13th. It's just, gosh,

00:15:26.420 it brings me to tears. This is what her father said. My wife, Claire, and I are angry, heartbroken,

00:15:30.860 and ashamed. The NHS and the courts not only took away her chance to live a longer life, but they

00:15:35.680 also took away Indy's dignity to pass away in the family home where she belonged. They managed to take

00:15:40.700 Indy's body and dignity, but they will never be able to take her soul. They tried to get rid of Indy 0.85

00:15:45.980 without anybody knowing, but we made sure she would be remembered forever. I knew she was special from

00:15:52.060 the day she was born. Claire held her for her final breast. Can you imagine just not just the pain and

00:15:58.760 the sorrow and the suffering of this, but the absolute injustice of this, that possibly this was

00:16:04.280 an avoidable outcome? I mean, at least, the least that you can do is grant parents the assurance that

00:16:13.620 they did absolutely everything possible to save their child. And if death is inevitable, then okay,

00:16:20.300 that's a conclusion that is tragic, but they would be able to accept that if at least they knew

00:16:25.280 that they did everything that they possibly could to save their child. But this is universal health

00:16:30.700 care. When the state owns your health care, they decide who lives and who dies. And poor little

00:16:36.580 Lindy didn't have a voice and she didn't have a choice. All this talk about consent just goes out

00:16:42.200 the window when it comes to universal health care. Their poor parents, her poor parents absolutely

00:16:47.680 felt helpless. Like no one cared about them. And I thought that this was really interesting

00:16:53.300 what her dad said. So he said this to an Italian newspaper. He said, I'm not religious and I'm not

00:17:03.700 baptized. But when I was in court, I felt like I had been dragged to hell. I thought if hell exists,

00:17:10.280 then heaven must also exist. The experience in court fighting for Indy's life moved him to have her

00:17:16.740 baptized. I also read that he felt the pull of hell. It's like he felt the pull of Satan when he

00:17:23.300 was in court. He just felt this oppressive evil presence there. And that's what led him to start

00:17:29.040 thinking, okay, if evil exists, if evil is real and he saw so much that it was, if darkness is real and

00:17:34.880 he felt it in that court, then good must also be real. Then heaven must also be real. If Satan is real,

00:17:43.180 then God must also be real. So that's what led her to make this decision for baptism. Now, I'm not

00:17:49.320 someone who practices infant baptism and we can, you know, talk about his theology. But look, this is

00:17:56.000 someone who wasn't religious, who realized by looking in the face of evil, by experiencing the oppressive

00:18:05.380 darkness of hell himself, that he recognized that there's another side to this, that heaven exists

00:18:11.640 as well. And so, gosh, we should be praying for the hearts and the minds and the souls of these parents

00:18:18.740 who have experienced this injustice and this tragedy. And she's not the first baby to exist or

00:18:24.980 to experience this. Over the years, we've seen several children in the UK be subjected to

00:18:32.840 this kind of treatment. You don't have rights. You don't have rights when the government decides

00:18:38.680 who lives and who dies through universal healthcare. There's Alfie Evans. You probably remember his story

00:18:45.940 from several years ago. Equally, equally sad. Archie Battersby, a few others as well. And so, gosh,

00:18:56.620 I'm just so saddened by this. I'm so saddened by this tragedy, so saddened by this injustice. As a mom

00:19:02.760 of three myself, I just, I can't even imagine. I cannot imagine being faced with something like

00:19:09.200 this. I think that I would lose my mind. I really do. I think I would lose my mind and I would be

00:19:15.800 screaming at the judge. I would be screaming at the doctors. I just can't imagine being told that you

00:19:22.500 have no right to take your child somewhere to seek treatment that could possibly heal them or

00:19:29.480 alleviate their pain. So the state not only decides who lives and who dies, but they own your children

00:19:36.240 in a system like this. They own your children. This judge, who probably doesn't even know this

00:19:41.660 child's birthday, doesn't know what this child's personality is like, what she likes, what she

00:19:48.780 dislikes, has never shed a tear over this case probably, got to end this child's life and decide

00:19:56.960 where she was going to die in the most impersonal and the most unsympathetic, unempathetic way

00:20:03.760 possible. This person who has no personal connection to this child whatsoever says, no, the two people

00:20:09.700 who love this child the most, they get no choice and no voice in this matter. That is evil. That is evil.

00:20:17.420 Satan is rejoicing over the conclusion of this decision. Gosh, the only thing that comforts me

00:20:24.520 in all of this is that God will avenge wickedness. He will avenge wickedness once and for all. People

00:20:31.700 who are involved in things like this that don't allow mercy to be extended to the most vulnerable

00:20:38.160 people, the most marginalized people in our society, which is always children, they will, unless they 1.00

00:20:43.900 repent, endure the wrath of him who cares for the vulnerable and fights on their behalf.

00:20:51.280 All right, we're going to turn to another injustice and that is abortion and how abortion and the

00:20:59.400 quote unquote issue of abortion, if you will, has affected our elections recently. And I'll just give

00:21:04.360 you my take on it. Okay, let's talk about abortion elections. So you guys know probably at this

00:21:22.620 point what happened in Ohio and Kentucky last week. Unfortunately, life lost, life lost in these

00:21:30.940 elections in Ohio and Kentucky. So let me tell you about Ohio first. A lot of you already know this

00:21:36.460 because this happened last week. And so you were already in the know and what was happening in these

00:21:42.380 elections. But some of you, you don't live in these states and you weren't paying attention at the time.

00:21:46.240 So let me give you a little bit about what issue one was slash is in Ohio. So voters in Ohio approved

00:21:53.500 issue one, which is a new state constitutional amendment that changes state law on abortion, which is

00:21:58.640 obviously a victory for quote unquote abortion rights supporters. The vote was 56.62%. Yes, 43.38%. No.

00:22:08.940 So this is the law that will be added to the Ohio state constitution and become law in December. So

00:22:14.640 create legal protections for any person or entity that assists a person with receiving reproductive

00:22:19.920 medical treatment, including but not limited to abortion, prohibit the state from directly or

00:22:25.020 indirectly burdening, penalizing or prohibiting abortion before an unborn child is determined to

00:22:29.360 be viable. So any point before 24 weeks about unless the state demonstrates that it is using the least

00:22:37.280 restrictive means. Grant a pregnant woman's treating physician the authorities to determine on a case by

00:22:44.540 case basis whether an unborn child is viable. So, okay, so I said 24 weeks, then they can restrict it

00:22:51.760 after 24 weeks. But they're saying that the doctor gets to determine if a pregnancy is viable, that they have

00:22:58.920 the full authority to do that on a case by case basis. So typically, we think of viability as 24 weeks, that's when

00:23:05.120 the baby in the womb has a really good chance of being able to survive outside the womb. Of course, that baby has

00:23:10.140 been a human since the point of conception. Don't listen to any unserious person who says that that child is not a

00:23:16.780 child before 24 weeks. That's stupid. I've had a debate on here with someone about that, and they just

00:23:23.080 completely triple over themselves when they try to explain what the child inside the womb is other than a 0.68

00:23:28.980 human being. It's just absolutely crazy. But we typically say 24 weeks, but babies have survived outside the

00:23:34.500 womb as early as 19 weeks. I think that that's the earliest point in gestation where a baby has been born

00:23:40.340 prematurely and then helped a lot by the hospital, but has been able to survive after that. But 24 weeks,

00:23:48.400 the baby has about 80% chance of surviving outside the womb. That's typically seen as the week of

00:23:54.380 viability. However, this is saying that a doctor gets to determine that on a case by case basis. So if a

00:24:00.680 pro-abortion doctor decides that a woman at 30 weeks that their baby isn't viable, again, that can be kind of

00:24:07.540 a subjective term. And by the way, the diagnoses that are very often given to unborn children that

00:24:15.120 the doctor says means that they won't survive outside of the womb, they're not always correct.

00:24:20.780 They're not always accurate. There are lots of things that doctors think are going on inside the

00:24:25.020 womb with the baby that are not actually determinative of the baby's likelihood to survive.

00:24:32.060 And babies defy the odds. Babies defy the odds all the time. So they're saying that this doctor,

00:24:38.600 though, that they get to decide on a case by case basis if a baby is viable. So it's not really 24

00:24:44.600 weeks that abortion access is cut off according to this law. It could be after that. And just,

00:24:51.960 again, just to remind you, like a baby at this point is able to feel pain. The mother has been

00:24:57.800 feeling kicks for several weeks here. Don't tell me, by the way, that abortion only happens after 0.97

00:25:04.440 this point if it's absolutely necessary, that no one wants an abortion after this point. Look,

00:25:10.000 abortion is never necessary. It's never necessary when the baby is viable. It's never necessary.

00:25:19.960 Um, you can deliver the baby if the child is in danger, if the mother's in danger. It is not

00:25:28.320 necessary to kill the child. At any point, it's not necessary to kill the child. Early delivery may

00:25:34.360 be necessary, and you do everything you can to protect the life and to preserve the life of the

00:25:39.240 mother and child. But killing the child, if you have to take the baby out anyway, is never necessary.

00:25:44.880 So we are talking about elective abortions. Like, we are talking about abortions for any reason.

00:25:52.980 When this child is fully able to live outside the womb, that's what this Ohio law says is legal 0.93

00:25:59.680 and must be protected. Always allow an unborn child, the law says, to be aborted at any stage of

00:26:05.720 pregnancy, regardless of viability, if in the treating physician's determination, the abortion is

00:26:10.920 necessary to protect the pregnant woman's life or health. So we've talked about this phrase life or

00:26:16.980 health before, and we see this come up in every liberal abortion law. Um, going back to, uh, the

00:26:24.660 New York law that we talked about, I think that was passed at the beginning of 2019. That was an

00:26:30.380 extremely liberal law that we now see in Illinois and California and several other liberal states as

00:26:35.400 well. That allows abortion for any reason up until the point of birth by using this phrase. If the

00:26:42.460 doctor decides that it is necessary to protect the woman's life or health, well, what does life or 0.92

00:26:47.580 health mean? According to the Supreme court case, Doe v. Bolton, the health of the mother includes mental

00:26:53.820 health, includes emotional health, includes age, includes familial situation. All of these things are

00:27:00.040 very subjective. So you can read into that and read for any reason. So if the physician decides,

00:27:05.560 oh yeah, you're pregnant, you're 38 weeks pregnant and, uh, you aren't doing well, you're emotionally

00:27:13.000 unstable, your boyfriend left you, whatever it is, you can have an abortion. And the state in Ohio,

00:27:19.200 the government in Ohio can do absolutely nothing about that. And if you say, well, that never happens,

00:27:24.480 then why does it need to be legal? If that never happens, then why does it have to be a right?

00:27:29.600 Why does it have to be written into law? It does happen, by the way, according to the

00:27:34.360 Guttmacher Institute's own numbers, that's the research arm of arm of Planned Parenthood,

00:27:39.340 at least 10,000 abortions happen every year after the age of viability, after 24 weeks,

00:27:46.820 late-term abortions. Don't tell me that never happens. And again, don't tell me it happens only 0.80

00:27:51.120 when it's necessary. It's never necessary to kill a child. It's never necessary. Again, early delivery

00:27:57.140 might be necessary. It's not necessary to kill the child before you deliver them. That doesn't help

00:28:01.740 anyone's health. And of course, as we know, that's murder. So Ohio just enshrined into law

00:28:09.980 the right to kill a baby up until the point of birth for virtually any reason. And I had someone

00:28:19.240 come at me on Twitter and say, oh, you don't understand this issue. You don't understand this

00:28:23.480 issue at all. If you think that someone, that anyone is saying that you should be able to abort

00:28:29.560 your child for the heck of it until birth, you don't really understand. No, you don't understand,

00:28:34.520 you naive little ignorant person. You don't understand. You don't understand. That is exactly

00:28:39.800 what this law is. That's exactly what the abortion laws on the books that are being pushed say. 1.00

00:28:45.440 That for essentially any reason, you can murder a child just because they're in the womb. And of

00:28:53.260 course, as we heard from the Virginia governor a few years ago, that even if a child survives an

00:28:59.000 abortion, the parents don't want the baby. You make the baby comfortable, put them off to the side

00:29:05.680 as the parents and the doctor decide what to do. Wow. Wow. That's the abortion movement today.

00:29:12.420 Okay. And it's, I mean, it's even more gruesome than that. We've talked about what some of these

00:29:17.880 abortionists do to women and to children, how they crush their skulls and how they decapitate 0.97

00:29:23.960 these children inside the womb, tearing them apart limb from limb. Like, you know what even just a 0.86

00:29:28.700 second trimester abortion is, right? As we've talked about several times, I think it's so important to

00:29:33.820 explain this. So, and some of you get mad when I don't give a trigger warning, consider this your

00:29:39.080 trigger warning. But I think, like, if a baby can endure the abortion, we can stand to hear about it.

00:29:46.600 There is a long needle that the abortionist takes, filled with the same poisonous chemical

00:29:54.960 combination that is given in lethal injections to murderers on death row. A needle of this poisonous

00:30:05.200 chemical combination is inserted into the woman's abdomen, goes straight into the heart of the baby 0.99

00:30:11.280 as the doctor's looking on the ultrasound to make sure they get straight into the baby's heart. Now,

00:30:16.840 the baby at this point, if you have to do this for an abortion, that baby at this point is wiggling

00:30:22.380 and moving. And it might be difficult for the doctor to actually insert the needle right into the heart 0.77

00:30:30.740 of the child. But that's the goal. Looking at the ultrasound, inserting this poisonous chemical

00:30:35.600 combination into the baby's heart. They insert it into the baby's heart as the baby can feel pain,

00:30:42.540 is writhing in pain, is wiggling, and then that chemical combination causes the baby's heart to

00:30:48.360 stop beating. So they die from cardiac arrest in the womb, they stop moving, and then the baby is

00:30:55.520 delivered dead. So that's second trimester abortion. All abortion is brutal. All abortion is brutal. 1.00

00:31:03.460 Whether it's a D&E, whether it's a D&X, whether it's the baby is being poisoned through the abortion 0.78

00:31:09.460 pill in the first trimester, it's all brutal. It's all murder. It's never justified. It's never necessary.

00:31:18.760 Again, if the mother's life is at risk, even if it's early on, you do everything that you can

00:31:23.800 to save both of them, to preserve both of them. Early delivery might be necessary, which might end

00:31:29.160 in the death of the child, which is tragic, but we don't purposely kill the child. We don't dismember

00:31:34.780 the child. We don't poison the child. But that's just, that's what Ohio just said is legal through

00:31:40.680 all stages of pregnancy. Through 40 weeks gestation, as long as the mental and emotional health of the

00:31:48.300 mother, according to the physician, is negatively impacted. And from what I've heard from people

00:31:55.300 in Ohio, is that there were Christians, their friends, people at their church, who voted yes on

00:32:01.980 this issue. Why? I think a few reasons. One reason is that they're not, some of them are not really

00:32:14.880 Christians. They don't love God's word. They don't love God's image bearers. They're liberal. They're

00:32:23.000 taken by progressive propaganda, and they think that being pro-choice is empathetic. And so they're just

00:32:30.600 not believers. That's one possibility. They're not filled with the Holy Spirit. So they're just not

00:32:36.340 convicted of that at all. They could be baby Christians. So they just haven't been sanctified 1.00

00:32:43.060 of their evil inclination to vote for the murder of children. That's one option. Two, I mean, two or

00:32:49.120 three, whichever, I'm kind of like putting all of these together. But another option, and I don't say

00:32:56.120 this, like, I'm not trying to be rude. I think that this is just an accurate description of some

00:33:01.880 people. They could also just be stupid. It's a possibility, right? Like, they could just be dumb,

00:33:07.920 like lack intelligence and the ability to critically think. And so they hear the propaganda by Planned

00:33:13.380 Parenthood and some of the Democratic politicians and some liberal people in the media, and they just 0.56

00:33:18.480 nod their head, and they have got nothing going on in there, really. It's just a bunch of, like,

00:33:23.260 white noise. It could be that. It could just be that they cannot critically think. They don't have

00:33:30.340 the capacity to do it. I think that's a small percentage of people, to be honest. I don't think

00:33:36.460 very many people are truly that stupid, but it's possible. And then I think that there's, like,

00:33:42.760 another contingency, or there's another group of people who, and this is really evil,

00:33:48.860 who they do know better. They do know better. And they know what abortion is. And they wouldn't

00:33:57.720 personally do it themselves, but they don't want to think about it too hard because being pro-life

00:34:04.460 is unpopular, and it's controversial, and it would get them in trouble at their job or with their

00:34:12.080 friends or with a family member. And so they don't want to think too hard about the reality of the

00:34:18.180 abortion procedure, and they just think that they're covering themselves by saying, well,

00:34:23.380 I wouldn't personally have an abortion, but I will vote for others to be able to,

00:34:29.600 which is a wicked, wicked, and also stupid position to take. It's just a completely,

00:34:37.460 it's not a feasible, it's not a coherent position to take either. I mean, as other people have pointed

00:34:44.640 out, it's like saying, well, you personally won't own slaves, but you don't take issue with other

00:34:49.400 people doing it. You think that people should at least have access to slavery, right? Like,

00:34:53.600 people should at least have access to indentured servitude. Even if you wouldn't personally partake

00:34:58.680 in it, you're not going to oppose other people doing it. Well, that just means that you don't see

00:35:05.220 those slaves or in our conversation here, the babies inside the womb as true image bearers of God,

00:35:12.640 which is a non-biblical position and a logical position. So that's what happened in Ohio. And

00:35:19.520 I know a lot of you were really sad about that. I'm super sad about that. Joe Biden was excited

00:35:23.920 about it. President Obama was excited about it. They gave their own commentary about it. In Kentucky,

00:35:30.400 pro-choice Democrat, Governor Andy Beshear won a second term, Daniel Cameron, who I really liked.

00:35:36.360 He lost, which was really sad. And so again, that is a red state, what people think of as a red state.

00:35:46.800 It's probably purple now, just like Ohio. That is them saying, you know, we are, we're not strong

00:35:54.480 enough on life to put people in office and to vote against issues that align with our position on

00:36:05.280 life, which is extremely sad. Now, the reaction that you have is what I want to react to and respond to

00:36:12.780 from a lot of conservative commentators saying that we need to compromise, the right needs to compromise

00:36:18.340 on abortion or else Republicans are going to lose elections. And that that is why Republicans lose

00:36:23.540 elections. Because we're too extremist on abortion.

00:36:40.380 All right. So there were quite a few, quite a few conservatives saying that pro-lifers are to

00:36:49.140 blame for Republicans losing. And Coulter said pro-lifers are going to wipe out the Republican

00:36:54.560 party. Mike Kernovich said, if you want to be pro-life, no exception is good for you.

00:37:01.880 Lose every election. Have no political power. And then there were other people on Twitter who

00:37:10.840 were saying the same thing that, look, this is just an extremist position. And as long as you take that,

00:37:17.760 there are going to be people, Democrats and even moderates who react to your extremist position on

00:37:23.960 abortion by, you know, voting Democrats in as crazy as Democrats are. I don't understand why the side 0.70

00:37:33.920 that is against murder has to be the side to compromise. Like I just read you issue one from

00:37:39.440 Ohio, very similar to the laws in New York, Illinois, California, Colorado, Washington, that virtually allow

00:37:47.180 abortion through all nine months for any reason. Celebrated, no apologies. 0.99

00:37:57.480 They are not interested in compromise. They're not interested in acquiescence. They're not interested

00:38:03.360 in ceding any ground. Like why do we have to be the ones to compromise? They are the extremist.

00:38:09.160 Abortion is extreme. Abortion is extreme. Abortion dismembers a human being. Abortion poisons a child.

00:38:18.880 Abortion, allowing abortion, wanting abortion at any point in pregnancy is extreme. Being against that

00:38:25.500 is the most sane and common sense and compassionate and humane position to take. Why do I have to be the

00:38:33.440 one to compromise? Am I going to win over the barbarians by compromising? No. These people

00:38:42.900 would fight just as hard against a 25-week ban as they would against a six-week ban. And so what do I

00:38:51.820 win by compromising? We lose more baby lives. I don't believe that we would win any more elections

00:38:59.660 by saying, okay, we're okay with abortion through 20 weeks. Like, I don't believe it. I don't believe

00:39:07.520 it. Planned Parenthood and the abortion lobby would have just as much money. They would be pushing just

00:39:13.980 as many lies, just as much propaganda, would be fighting just as hard to defeat any pro-life measure

00:39:22.740 if we decided, if the pro-life side decided to compromise and equivocate and give them a little

00:39:28.460 ground. Like, I just don't believe that we would be winning more elections if we said, okay, just a

00:39:34.760 little baby murder is fine. Just a little baby murder. Maybe just through halfway through the 0.69

00:39:39.720 pregnancy. I'm sorry. These people are bloodthirsty. These people love abortion. They love death. I'm not

00:39:47.040 saying that everyone who considers themselves pro-choices like that, maybe some people consider

00:39:52.140 themselves reluctantly pro-choice. I'm talking about the abortion lobby, the Democrat politicians,

00:39:57.900 people at Shout Your Abortion, NARAL, Planned Parenthood. These people are absolutely bloodthirsty,

00:40:03.740 and they want the blood of children through all nine months of pregnancy. No compromise. No apologies.

00:40:09.480 That's not an exaggeration, okay? That's not hyperbole. That's not ad hominem. That is what it is.

00:40:15.400 That's what these laws say. So I am not going to take the position of compromise. Even if it were

00:40:24.420 true, which I don't think it is, even if it were true that if Republicans decided that they have to

00:40:29.780 be the ones to compromise on abortion, that they would all of a sudden win all of these elections,

00:40:33.820 which, by the way, President Trump believes that too. He criticized Ron DeSantis for banning abortion

00:40:38.980 after a heartbeat is detected in Florida. Even if that were true, I wouldn't compromise on it.

00:40:45.980 Even if it were true that Republicans, when all the elections, if we would just let go of this

00:40:51.320 little issue of murdering children inside the womb, I wouldn't be able to compromise on it. 0.99

00:40:55.900 That's not moral. That's not right. And see, that is, I do actually agree in a sense, like in general,

00:41:03.200 that is why the right loses. Because there are things that we're not willing to do. There are

00:41:09.840 places that we are not willing to go to win. Like there are lies that we are not willing to tell,

00:41:18.360 things that we are not willing to say because we have moral limits. We have limiting principles

00:41:25.160 that say even if, if someone said, okay, Republicans will win all elections here on out if they just allow

00:41:32.520 abortion through 20 weeks or whatever it is. Uh, there are too many of us who simply wouldn't do

00:41:39.360 that. We wouldn't go for it. It wouldn't be worth it because I'm against abortion, not because I'm a

00:41:45.160 Republican, but because I'm a Christian. And so while of course I want the better candidate to win,

00:41:52.280 and I think that is almost in every case, if not every case, Republicans, I'm not willing to

00:41:57.340 equivocate on that. I'm not willing to give that up. There is nothing on the left that they are not

00:42:04.480 willing, uh, that they're not willing to do. Like they will do absolutely anything, tell any lie in

00:42:14.340 order to win because their goal is power. Our goal is principle. And so those, I mean, as I've heard,

00:42:22.440 I think it's Aaron McIntyre often say the side that, uh, wants to win will always beat the side

00:42:31.680 who wants to be left alone. Um, and that's kind of, I, and I think that that is true of Republicans

00:42:39.600 and Democrats. That's kind of speaking to a different issue is that like, we just want freedom

00:42:45.920 and we just want to be left alone and they just want to win. But that's also true when you're looking

00:42:50.580 at like the limiting principles of the right versus the completely, uh, the complete lack of

00:42:57.440 limitation of the left when it comes to morality and principles. Their principle is power. Their goal

00:43:03.100 is power. They want to win. Like they don't have any qualms with telling you a lie about abortion.

00:43:10.100 They don't have any qualms with propaganda. They're willing to win at whatever cost. And the right's just

00:43:17.600 not willing to do that. I'm okay with that ultimately because I'm seeing beyond our current

00:43:23.120 political moment and winning elections. I am looking at the bigger eternal picture and I know

00:43:30.940 that I am held responsible for, for not the, whether or not we win elections or whether or not

00:43:38.140 the right ultimately prevails. There's a much bigger non-political narrative going on, um, that I care

00:43:45.500 much more about. Um, and so I'm just not willing to go there even if it's true. Again, I don't believe

00:43:54.280 it is. I believe it's, um, I believe that the right and the pro-life movement has less money. We're less

00:44:04.240 united. We have less of a cohesive message. We have a lot more infighting. Um, we need more funding,

00:44:12.840 more money, a more cohesive message, a more united front. And we just don't have that right now.

00:44:20.340 That's what I think it is. That's what I think it is. I think that that is why we lose. I also think,

00:44:26.560 as I've said before, that it's much easier to demolish than it is to build. And the right is

00:44:32.180 seeking to build and the left is seeking to destroy. They just want to tear down everything

00:44:36.880 that is good, right, and true. They want to tear down systems and institutions. They have no idea what

00:44:41.540 they're going to replace them with, but they're just destroying. It's much easier to do that.

00:44:46.700 You can use all different kinds of tools to tear down a building. But if you're building a building,

00:44:51.900 everyone has to agree on the materials that you're going to use. Everyone has to agree on the

00:44:55.820 foundation that you're going to lay. You have to agree on the methods and the tools that you are

00:44:59.960 going to use and what this building is going to look like. That's what the right is trying to do.

00:45:04.840 That's much more difficult when you have people who disagree. On the left, you can disagree

00:45:09.660 and you can still effectively bulldoze something, you know? And so it's more difficult for the right

00:45:16.260 to win, I think, for that purpose as well. Anyway, I just want to say I'm not going to compromise on

00:45:21.960 abortion. It's too important. You're talking about murdering children. That's not something I want to

00:45:26.280 compromise on. All right. Indeed, on another lighthearted note, and that is RFK Jr.

00:45:44.940 RFK Jr., the plane scandal. So I first saw this reported by Blaze TV's Alex Stein.

00:45:52.500 And Justin Haskins actually is the one who took the photograph. We have had him on the podcast

00:45:59.120 several times to talk about the Great Reset. And he is an expert in a lot of our favorite things that

00:46:07.440 we like to talk about. So we've had Justin on several times. He took the photo, but Alex Stein

00:46:11.560 reported it on his show. So I do know, I do know that this is a genuine story. This is a genuine

00:46:20.040 picture. So he was on a flight on November 2nd, an American Airlines flight on November 2nd from

00:46:25.500 Portland to Dallas. And here he is, RFK Jr., barefoot on the plane. Now, if you guys know anything about

00:46:34.200 me, you guys know I'm very serious about my air travel rules. There are several rules we don't have

00:46:38.740 time to get into right now. But one of my biggest is that you have to wear socks and shoes when you

00:46:46.780 travel. You must. And so I just want to read you my official statement. This is from the Department

00:46:51.820 of the Air Travel Czar, which is me. Biden didn't appoint me. I appointed myself. That's what czars

00:46:57.480 do. So I am the head of the Department of Air Travel, which includes rules on what you should and

00:47:06.020 should not wear. So here is my statement on this. Since many of you guys have been asking, it is posted

00:47:10.240 on Instagram if you would like to share far and wide so everyone knows. So many of you, this is for

00:47:14.780 immediate release, by the way. Many of you may have seen the disturbing photograph of presidential

00:47:20.060 nominee and environmentalist Robert Fitzgerald Kennedy Jr. traipsing down the aisle of a

00:47:25.220 commercial aircraft A321 EOW operated by American Airlines. We are aware of the situation, have launched

00:47:34.260 a full investigation. Our initial findings show that Mr. Kennedy demonstrated at least a flagrant

00:47:40.680 disregard for the visible crumbs beneath his feet, which likely crunched as he walked on them,

00:47:44.960 and profound disrespect for the airport czar's rules, which explicitly prohibit unshoed feet on

00:47:50.380 any commercial aircraft. The fact that Mr. Kennedy does not even have socks on represents a crime

00:47:55.340 heretofore unseen by our department. We appreciate the concern of the public and take your complaint

00:48:00.940 seriously. Depending on the results of our investigation, RFK Jr. may be fined up to $5,768,634,

00:48:07.760 $634.94 and made to watch $186, rather, consecutive hours of Dr. Anthony Fauci interviews and press

00:48:20.000 conferences in the location of our choosing. That location is still to be determined. There

00:48:24.900 will be no further comment at this time. Allie Beth Suckey, airport czar. You are welcome for that.

00:48:33.000 Um, RFK, please report to our department, um, which is right here in the studio. Um, that is

00:48:42.420 how I am going to get RFK Jr. to come on my show, which I have asked him to do several times to no

00:48:49.000 avail, but now he has to. He has to, or he will be fined over $5 million from the Department of Air

00:48:56.240 Travels Art. House and Habit shared this post. Wow, she has over a million followers, a lot of few

00:49:01.980 followers. So we made it, y'all. I've been waiting for my authority as the airports are to be

00:49:06.260 respected. Every time I go on the airplane, I realize that it's not because I see people with

00:49:11.540 their dogs just out. Yuck. Um, but I feel like since House and Habit shared this, it's legit.

00:49:19.560 I don't know, Bree, what do you think? Is this disqualifying for the presidency?

00:49:23.520 I think his campaign is over. Over. Which is what Justin Haskins also said. So we're, I think

00:49:30.380 we're, we're all agreeing about that. Apparently there were also like little crumbs. You mentioned

00:49:35.980 this. Yeah. Crumbs. But Justin even said there were crumbs and like debris on the ground there

00:49:41.100 and he was just walking. Traipsing. And he had just gone to the lavatory. Yeah. Mm-mm. Yeah. It's

00:49:49.100 truly levels we have not seen. Mm-mm. The liquid on the ground in the lavatory and the airplane

00:49:55.460 is not water. No. Or Gatorade. No. And I, I also just want to mention that when, um, whoever

00:50:02.800 it was sent this to, uh, Alex Stein's producer, they had the feet blurred in the photo. I appreciate

00:50:11.140 that. Oh, see, I thought that it was because he was walking so fast. Well, this photo it

00:50:17.800 is, but the one that they sent him, they were even more blurred. Like, well, those are supposed

00:50:23.480 to be private on a plane. So I get it. I get it. Um, you know, all in good fun, we would

00:50:30.300 still like RFK Jr. to come on Relatable. So I hope he doesn't have any hard feelings about

00:50:36.640 this, but you do have to wear shoes on my show, on my set. That is a rule. Um, all right.

00:50:41.860 Okay. That's all we've got time for today. We, I was going to ask our resident Swifty

00:50:46.420 to comment on, uh, Taylor and Travis. Some of you care about that. Some of you do not.

00:50:53.160 Um, but you know, something for everyone on this here Relatable show. All right. We will

00:50:57.560 be back here tomorrow.

00:51:00.300 Bye.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 14, 2023

Ep 907 ｜ RFK's Feet, Baby Indi & Abortion Wins

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