Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 915 ｜ The Golden Bachelor’s Secret Past

00:00:00.520 Paris Hilton says she's scared of childbirth, and that's why she has decided to use a surrogate. 0.97

00:00:06.580 Also, a little kid, a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs, is being lambasted as a racist for what

00:00:14.000 he was wearing to the game over the weekend. Also, apparently, Islam is trendy now. Oh my 0.99

00:00:21.180 goodness. We've got this plus some golden bachelor commentary on this episode of Relatable, which is

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00:00:42.780 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone's having a wonderful week. Gosh,

00:00:48.020 if you have not listened to yesterday's conversation with Emily, the holistic mom

00:00:52.800 that was targeted by the state of Iowa...

00:00:56.580 leveled all these kinds of false allegations against her involving the use of drugs. And

00:01:03.180 after you listen to her yesterday, you will realize that these allegations were completely

00:01:07.480 bunk. Gosh, very scary story, but really important. Really important for us to listen to and to

00:01:14.120 learn from and to support her. Pray for her. I saw a lot of your comments on YouTube that

00:01:18.460 you're going to be praying for her. Yes, please continue to do that because the fight isn't

00:01:23.440 entirely over. Go listen to yesterday's episode if you have not already. Share it with everyone.

00:01:30.040 And especially in the state of Iowa, there needs to be accountability and transparency.

00:01:34.340 All right. We have so much that I want to get to today that we are absolutely not going to get to.

00:01:39.260 I will... I'll read you a list of things that we want to talk about that we didn't get to this week.

00:01:43.900 We're going to talk about Paris Hilton and her surrogacy stuff because there's more stuff out there.

00:01:48.380 The Kansas City Chiefs five-year-old fan who is being blasted as a racist by the media.

00:01:54.900 Oakland City Council meeting voting on some resolution

00:01:57.920 on Israel. Golden Bachelor controversy. I will make sure that we get to that.

00:02:05.500 Mr. Beast, I never was able to talk about him building 100 wells in Africa and people being 0.88

00:02:10.020 mad at him for that because, of course. And then also this Vatican lunch where they invited a bunch

00:02:14.940 of women who pretend to be men there. Wow, there's so much, so much happening. So that's what we want 0.97

00:02:21.360 to talk about today. We're only probably going to get to about three of those. So let me start with

00:02:26.060 what I definitely want to talk about. And I'll bring Brie in a few times throughout probably all

00:02:32.540 of these segments, particularly when we talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. There's an important

00:02:37.000 subset of that story that Brie has particular insight on. So, okay, let's talk about Paris Hilton.

00:02:44.960 So we talked about this a few months ago when she announced that she was, or when she told everyone

00:02:53.040 that her son had been born via surrogate. I think her son is like 10 months old now. A lot of people

00:02:59.600 also make fun of Paris Hilton for the pictures that she posts with her baby. I mean, he just kind

00:03:08.560 of, to me, it kind of looks like an accessory. That's how he is kind of held. Have you seen

00:03:16.360 these pictures? Yeah. They're just very awkward. They're very posed and awkward. Yeah, it does.

00:03:22.420 That's exactly what it is. It seems kind of like an accessory. I've seen video, like a video of her

00:03:27.580 handing her baby to her mom. And it's clear, like, neither of them have ever held a baby before.

00:03:32.820 But that's what it looks like. That's what it looks like. Yeah. It's very,

00:03:35.140 it's very awkward. Like, they're very awkward about it. Yes. And I'm not like, this is not a judgment on

00:03:41.340 like what kind of mother she is. I am not saying she does not love her son. I'm sure she loves her son

00:03:45.580 very much. But it is, it's like, okay, if you're going to put your kids online, which is something

00:03:52.640 that I am against, like, you are going to get, especially someone with that big of a platform,

00:03:57.720 you're going to be kind of scrutinized. And she does seem to use him as an accessory in her photos.

00:04:04.580 And that's weird to me. Yeah. Yeah. So she announced several months ago that he was born via surrogate.

00:04:12.260 And she said that basically, she's just like, she's scared to have a child. She said that she

00:04:19.280 doesn't want to go through childbirth and things like that. And so she wanted to use a surrogate. 1.00

00:04:26.480 She had her son. And then she also announced that she had several embryos, like over 20 embryos that

00:04:33.660 were frozen. And they were really wanting a girl. So they kept on fertilizing the eggs that she that

00:04:41.300 were harvested via the IVF process to get the girl that they wanted. I mean, this is really disturbing

00:04:48.780 when you think about like sex selective eugenics that are going on here. And it's just applauded as 0.98

00:04:54.520 like, oh, this is wonderful. This is great. Like Paris is just getting what she wants. She wants to be a

00:04:59.480 mom. But what's going to happen to those 20 boys that she created? Is it interesting also that we know

00:05:06.800 the gender at the moment of conception that all of these embryos that are human lives, the very

00:05:12.580 beginning at the very earliest points of human life, that we know that they are boys and she is

00:05:21.620 either going to just freeze them indefinitely. She is going to discard them. That's probably what's

00:05:27.180 going to happen. She probably won't put them up for adoption. But she has now announced that

00:05:33.900 she has a little girl on the way and the little girl, her name is going to be London. And so we've

00:05:41.640 got the Instagram post where she announced that I'm sure that this baby will be well loved. That's not

00:05:50.080 really the question. The question is about the ethics of how she brings her children into existence. 1.00

00:05:57.820 Um, so this was in an article that Glamour published. This was in February, 2023, when she

00:06:07.280 was talking about her son being born via surrogate. She says, when I was in the simple life, remember

00:06:13.140 that? Remember that? When I was in the simple life, I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth 1.00

00:06:18.860 and that traumatized me. But I want a family so bad. It's just the physical part of doing it. I'm just

00:06:25.920 so scared. Childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.

00:06:33.460 So you're scared of life. You're scared of how life starts. You're scared of how life ends.

00:06:38.100 It's amazing when people have like all the resources in the world, the perpetual like anxiety and sadness

00:06:43.740 that a lot of these people live in. But she's not scared of these things for someone else. Like

00:06:50.300 for the right price, someone else is taking on those risks. Someone else is taking on the inconvenience,

00:06:58.340 the sacrifice, and the hardship that comes with pregnancy and childbirth. So she's willing

00:07:03.600 to outsource that to another woman and to use her body. But she is not willing to take on that 0.98

00:07:11.480 sacrifice for herself. So it's not because she can't have a child. It's not because she has any

00:07:16.960 physical ailment. She literally just doesn't want to do it. She doesn't want to ruin her body. 1.00

00:07:23.940 It does change your body. It changes your body a lot. As someone who has been through it three times

00:07:28.400 now, it changes your body a lot. Pregnancy is really hard, especially when you go to like 42 weeks like

00:07:34.160 I have. Birth is really hard, whether you have a C-section or whether you have a vaginal birth.

00:07:40.600 They're really hard. They come with different kinds of recovery and all of that stuff. But that's what

00:07:46.340 you do. That's what you do. The entirety of motherhood is sacrifice. That's the entirety of

00:07:53.320 motherhood is giving up yourself, giving up your wants, putting yourself after the needs and the 0.95

00:08:00.860 well-being of your children. That starts from the moment you pee on the stick and you see the two

00:08:06.080 lines. You start doing what is best for your child and not just what you want and what is comfortable

00:08:12.280 for you. And unfortunately, Paris doesn't seem to believe that. She doesn't seem to think that.

00:08:19.720 And then, of course, there is the problem with the ethics of surrogacy, period, which I'll kind of

00:08:26.580 just rehash for you or I'll re-summarize for you the problems with it in just a second.

00:08:32.040 Okay, so what's the problem with surrogacy? And we've talked about this a lot. I'm very

00:08:49.080 thankful for the fact that this is probably the number one thing that you guys tell me

00:08:55.360 your mind was changed on after listening to Relatable and the guests that I've had on that

00:09:02.900 have given so much interesting insight on this. Surrogacy, IVF, the entire reproductive industry,

00:09:10.160 it's a very sensitive topic because you're dealing with a real and virtuous desire that women have, 0.73

00:09:14.700 that parents have, which is to have children. Of course, it's a beautiful, wonderful desire in

00:09:20.500 all children, whether they're made through IVF or whether they are born via surrogacy, of course,

00:09:25.940 are made in the image of God. They have equal value and their parents love them. It's not a

00:09:29.800 matter of that. It's a matter of what are children's rights and what is best for the child. And

00:09:35.020 particularly if you're talking about surrogacy, there's a lot that has to happen. Obviously,

00:09:40.140 the actual biological mom whose egg it is has to go through the IVF process and then the eggs are 1.00

00:09:47.800 retrieved from the mom and then they are fertilized with the dad's sperm, at least in this case. And 0.71

00:09:55.460 then these embryos are created and it depends on the doctor. It depends on what you've agreed to,

00:10:01.000 how many eggs are actually retrieved, how many embryos are actually created, and then how many

00:10:07.200 are transferred. But very often, because you want as high of a chance as possible to actually be able

00:10:13.720 to successfully implant the embryo and that embryo to actually grow into a baby, you'll retrieve a lot

00:10:20.880 of eggs, you'll create a lot of embryos, you'll freeze a lot of them, and then you'll implant as

00:10:26.400 many as you want to actually birth and raise and take care of. But so you have that whole process,

00:10:32.820 which is very risky for the embryo, by the way. They have to survive the freezing process. They have

00:10:39.740 to survive the transfer process. There's a very high attrition rate for these embryos, which I

00:10:45.420 personally think is just like a really big burden to place on these tiny human beings. But then when

00:10:52.580 it comes to surrogacy, you are implanting an embryo in the womb of a woman that did not create these 0.97

00:11:02.200 children. So the likelihood of miscarriage is even higher. But if the baby does grow and then they are

00:11:11.720 birthed, they have bonded with this woman because that's how God made us to bond with the woman who

00:11:18.280 is carrying us, which is supposed to be our mother. We know her heartbeat. We know her smell. We know her

00:11:24.440 voice. We have gotten well acquainted with her. We have created this very natural bond. And then

00:11:33.060 when we are birthed via surrogate, when a baby is birthed via surrogate, they are taken away from

00:11:38.560 that surrogate. Very often the surrogate is not even allowed to hold that child. And then they're

00:11:42.840 placed on the chest of a stranger. Now, Paris Hilton's baby has gotten to know her, obviously,

00:11:49.600 and has gotten to know his real parents. But we are purposely creating children through this process

00:11:58.340 to break that primal bond, that natural instinctive bond that is created in the womb. And quite frankly,

00:12:07.040 we do not know the consequences of that yet. We don't know the physiological, the psychological,

00:12:12.620 the emotional, mental consequences of purposely creating the child to take them away from the

00:12:19.380 woman that gestated them and then birthed them. And then, of course, you've got a whole other 1.00

00:12:25.220 terrifying, terrifying and disturbing layer to this when you're talking about same-sex parents, 1.00

00:12:31.300 particularly two men who buy eggs from one woman because, obviously, they need that to make a child 0.63

00:12:37.600 and to rent the womb of another woman who is not and cannot be the egg donor. And then they take that

00:12:46.540 child both from her biological mother and the woman who gestated her and birthed her. And they take that

00:12:56.340 child and raise that child themselves, not only robbing them from robbing the child of the bonds

00:13:03.220 that she should have with these women, but also of a mother at all. And so the child from the get-go, 0.71

00:13:10.780 from the get-go, is being commodified and in some ways being objectified, certainly not being seen

00:13:18.680 as someone who has human rights, one of which should be the right to a mother and father.

00:13:24.920 So there's a whole host of ethical problems when it comes to the reproductive industry. People get

00:13:29.880 understandably, understandably offended when I talk about IVF. And I'm not saying that all of these

00:13:35.620 things are on the same level. And I'm not saying at all that you are a bad parent, of course.

00:13:40.900 I'm just saying that we should start thinking when it comes to all forms of reproductive technology,

00:13:47.260 not, well, what do I want? Let's not start with, well, I want to be a mom, or I want to be a dad,

00:13:54.360 or I want to be a parent, or this is a desire that I have. Yes, I understand that, of course.

00:13:59.480 And that's a beautiful desire. But that's not where we should start. We should start with,

00:14:03.640 what is right. And what is right is not to make a child sacrifice on our behalf. It's not to put

00:14:12.720 burdens on a child, on a new human life that we've created that should not be there. Our job is to

00:14:20.900 sacrifice our wants to deny ourselves for the good of the most vulnerable, these lives that we have

00:14:27.320 created. So what is best for their well-being? That's what we should be asking when it comes to

00:14:35.520 all forms of reproductive technology. And Paris Hilton, this is kind of like an exaggerated case 0.66

00:14:41.760 because most women, I think, who are using surrogates or who are going through these processes, 1.00

00:14:46.620 it's not because they just want to. It's not because like, oh yeah, I would love to spend tens of

00:14:51.880 thousands of dollars. They think that they have to, which again, I still think is morally and ethically

00:14:57.000 problematic. But this does show how surrogacy is very often used by the rich to commodify,

00:15:05.980 commercialize the bodies of women so that they can skirt around the inconvenience and the discomfort 1.00

00:15:12.520 of childbirth. And again, you're starting your motherhood journey the exact opposite way

00:15:17.640 of how you're supposed to. She is asking her child to sacrifice on her behalf rather than the other

00:15:23.580 way around. All right. That's the Paris Hilton surrogacy story. I just like to kind of refresh

00:15:30.040 our minds about the fact that this is going on, that America is so liberal when it comes to all this.

00:15:37.380 I see conservatives, like I saw a conservative guy on Twitter the other day saying like, it makes me so

00:15:41.800 sad that conservatives are against this, you know, surrogacy kind of stuff. He was actually talking

00:15:46.200 about the atrocity of two men doing this. Oh my goodness. And he was like, this is like consensual,

00:15:51.980 blah, blah, blah. Oh my gosh. Have we not moved past? Have we not seen where consent-based morality

00:15:57.200 gets us? Consent is not a sufficient standard of morality, people. There are a lot of disgusting,

00:16:04.020 disturbing, immoral things that people consent to. And some of those things should be illegal.

00:16:10.260 People consent to selling fentanyl. People consent to odine on fentanyl. Like,

00:16:16.060 I mean, some people would say that that should be legal. But just because something is consensual

00:16:21.020 doesn't mean that it's right. Certainly doesn't mean it's commendable. And in a lot of cases,

00:16:24.760 it should not be legal. And again, the child is not consenting here. And the child matters. The

00:16:32.460 voiceless party in this needs someone to speak up for them. All right. Let's move on to

00:16:39.060 this crazy story about this Kansas City Chiefs fan. This five-year-old was blasted by an outlet

00:16:45.800 called Deadspin because he was wearing a, uh, like a, yeah, whatever that is. What is it? Headdress?

00:16:53.940 A headdress. You can see it on there. And you can see that Deadspin, the tweet, they put up a picture

00:17:01.720 of the kid's profile. He's wearing, uh, he's wearing black. So it looks like he has black face

00:17:07.640 on and he's got this headdress. And then the caption or the tweet that, um, Deadspin wrote says

00:17:13.900 the NFL needs to speak out against the Kansas City Chiefs fan in black face, uh, comma, native

00:17:22.100 headdress. Oh my gosh. Someone stopped this five-year-old from perpetuating systemic racism. So

00:17:27.400 we'll get into that in just a second. Okay, Brie, what in the world? What in the world? This is a

00:17:44.780 five-year-old. This is a five-year-old who was wearing a headdress. Obviously a very big Kansas 0.66

00:17:50.040 City Chiefs fan. If you don't know, if you're like me and you don't really follow sports, this is a

00:17:54.360 football. This is a football team. It's a football team. Okay. Professional football team. Um, and

00:18:00.060 he is wearing this headdress because he's such a big fan. And oh my gosh, he is wearing what looks

00:18:06.660 like black face, Brie, this five-year-old. Um, so the author of the article, uh, for Deadspin, Karen J.

00:18:17.340 Phillips, um, he says, he, he said, uh, in the article, it takes a lot to disrespect two groups

00:18:24.900 of people at once, but on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate

00:18:29.220 black people and the Native Americans at the same time. He said, this is what happens when you ban 0.78

00:18:37.100 books, stand against critical race theory. Oh my gosh. This guy needs to be thumped in the forehead,

00:18:42.240 just flicked in the forehead and try to erase centuries of hate. You give future generations 0.99

00:18:48.740 the ammunition they need to evolve and recreate racism better than before. Oh my gosh.

00:18:57.600 All from a five-year-old? From a five-year-old. He did all of that. He did all of that by wearing

00:19:04.280 a headdress. He's a pretty evil five-year-old. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He is basically mocking the trail 0.59

00:19:09.260 of tears by wearing this headdress. Intentionally. Intentionally. He thought about it. Yeah. That

00:19:14.460 morning. Okay. Now let's put up the picture of the five-year-old kid, not from the side, but let's

00:19:22.840 see the picture of his full face. Okay. So, oh, oh my gosh, Brie. He actually wasn't wearing black face.

00:19:30.520 Look at that. Because the colors of the Chiefs, I guess, are black and red. So I hear. And so one side

00:19:38.020 of his sweet little face, we're talking about a five-year-old. He looks a little older than five

00:19:43.180 to me. He looks a lot older than five. So I'm going to, I'm not really sure. He looks eight.

00:19:47.100 Yeah, maybe. But regardless, he's a kid. One side of his face is red. The other side of his face

00:19:54.480 is black. So it wasn't black face. Nope. And like, okay, what if he had painted his whole face black? 0.55

00:20:03.020 Would that have demanded this article? I still don't think so.

00:20:08.020 No, because it's still a child. I mean, honestly, even if it wasn't a child, still doesn't really

00:20:14.360 demand this article, but it's a child at a football game.

00:20:18.380 No, because it's not doing anything. I'm sorry. It's not doing anything to anyone. I know this

00:20:23.300 is what got Megyn Kelly in so much controversy several years ago, where she very understandably

00:20:30.320 was like, when did this become the thing? Like the thing that everyone has to cry out about? The

00:20:38.100 thing that impugns your character forever? And he attaches this to like the whole political

00:20:44.160 moment, the whole political moment of banning critical race theory. That's what made this little

00:20:49.620 kid. Put his headdress on. Okay. So Phillips, Phillips tweeted this after people were like,

00:20:56.860 okay, you're being ridiculous. This is a kid who cares. He's not hurting anyone. This doesn't matter. 0.98

00:21:02.760 He's painting both sides of his face. Here's what Karen J. Phillips said. He said,

00:21:07.420 hilarious that his name is Karen. Hilarious. It's spelled C-A-R-R-O-N. Karen. Okay. For the

00:21:17.000 idiots in my mentions. Idiots. Everyone else is an idiot, Karen says. Sweet Karen. For the idiots in 1.00

00:21:23.840 my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because the other side of his face was painted 1.00

00:21:28.420 red. I could make the argument that that makes it even worse. Oh no, Brie, it's worse. Y'all are the

00:21:35.100 ones who hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on Cinco. What? What does that have to do with 0.97

00:21:41.540 anything? I don't know. Is he bringing in a whole other race to this now? Or is he just, 0.99

00:21:47.340 is that just an argument? I'm not sure what, I'm not sure. Hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on 1.00

00:21:54.160 Cinco. I don't know anyone personally who hates Mexicans. Neither do I. I will eat Mexican food any day 0.99

00:22:01.240 of the year. Any day. Maybe twice on Cinco de Mayo. Yeah. So I, but I don't know what that has to,

00:22:07.680 what that has to do with it. So he says that it's worse that this little, I'm going to go with

00:22:14.140 seven-year-old kid. Seven-year-old kid is wearing, is wearing red and black face. Red and black face.

00:22:24.120 Um, okay. It also turns out, right, Brie, that this little kid is like native, actually Native

00:22:29.680 American himself. Yeah. His mom actually tweeted a photo of him dressed like this and told everyone

00:22:36.680 to stop because he is Native American. And I believe it's in our doc here, but I believe his 1.00

00:22:42.180 grandfather or something is, uh, on the board of some Native American association or something.

00:22:48.780 Oh my gosh. Yeah. Look at that. Young chief. Right there. Little chief. Not appropriating anything.

00:22:55.680 No. Turns out. No. Which is so funny. But even if he weren't, I don't care. Yeah. I don't care.

00:23:04.060 Like even if he were the most Anglo-Saxon of all Anglo-Saxons, he is obviously doing this not to make

00:23:12.520 fun or trivialize a certain culture, but to honor it because he likes it.

00:23:19.300 I also saw, I forget what organization it is, but it's, it's the people who, the Native American group

00:23:25.220 that is upset about the Redskins changing their name. They want to change back to the Redskins

00:23:30.260 because they felt that that honored them. Um, and they tweeted this and said, oh, so it's,

00:23:36.240 it's okay now when the chiefs do it, but we're not allowed to do it as the Redskins.

00:23:41.800 Yeah. So they're upset also about it, but for a different reason.

00:23:46.240 Yeah. Very often, not always, but very often it's the whites. It's the whites. They're the 0.97

00:23:52.840 ones that are offended on behalf of minorities. Yep.

00:23:56.980 They're the ones that are like, I have yet to, I don't know any Mexicans who are actually

00:24:02.120 offended by a gringo wearing a sombrero. I know. 1.00

00:24:07.380 Like, or going to a Mexican restaurant. Do you think, do you think that all of the Mexican

00:24:12.880 owners of the Mexican restaurants, do you think that they are really concerned with

00:24:19.080 Los Gringos coming to their restaurant and eating quesadillas?

00:24:24.740 Yeah. They're seething when white people come into the restaurant. 1.00

00:24:27.240 Yeah. I'm like, okay. I don't care if you do pronounce it. 0.96

00:24:32.380 Enchilada. As long as you give me the money. I mean, come on. It's so funny. But I also like,

00:24:39.700 there's obviously something like super sinister about this because this is a kid.

00:24:43.480 Mm-hmm. This is a child. And I don't want to go so far as to say that they've ruined his life

00:24:50.300 because he's so young. I think it would actually be worse if he were a little older.

00:24:55.220 But I mean, this is like, this is, I think, I think kids should be off,

00:25:00.300 like off limits when it comes to this kind of thing. And they don't even care.

00:25:06.820 No. And what baffles me is I'm sure in that whole stadium, there was an adult wearing very similar

00:25:14.060 garb to this kid. And they chose to highlight this kid instead. The little kid. Yeah. If you

00:25:20.500 really, really needed to write this story, you couldn't have found one adult in that whole

00:25:25.380 stadium that was just the same. Yeah. I don't believe that. No, this is so disgusting. It's so

00:25:30.860 disgusting. And it just goes back to what you hear a lot of people say is that the demand for 0.54

00:25:36.320 racism outpaces the supply. There is a much greater demand for racism in America than there

00:25:44.100 is an actual supply of racism. Most of the things that we see today, all of the microaggressions

00:25:51.200 that we're told, the disparities that exist between races that we are told they must automatically be

00:25:55.980 assumed to be the fault of racism, there are usually other explanations for them that is not

00:26:02.500 racial discrimination. But the people who make money off of peddling this stuff and the splintering 0.96

00:26:09.720 that this causes in America, they can't let it go. They can't let it go because it's what gives them

00:26:15.660 power. I hope his parents stay really strong. I'm so glad that they didn't apologize. Do not apologize

00:26:23.060 for that which you are not sorry or sorry. Yeah, I almost said sorry for but then I would have said

00:26:28.500 two fours. Do not apologize for that which you are not sorry and which you should not be sorry. He

00:26:34.800 should not be sorry for this. He absolutely shouldn't. Okay, some people, some people, Brie, are saying

00:26:41.240 that Taylor Swift's silence on this issue is deafening. Yeah. Why? What does Taylor Swift have to do with

00:26:52.280 this? The story of her life. Let me tell you, Ellie. Okay. In September, Taylor Swift appeared

00:27:01.400 at a Kansas City Chiefs game and this was after Travis Kelsey, who is side end for the Kansas City

00:27:11.760 Chiefs, told people on his podcast that he had made a friendship bracelet, which is a thing you do at her

00:27:18.400 tour with his number on it and he wanted to give it to Taylor Swift and never got a chance to. Wait,

00:27:23.780 when did he do say that? That was probably like, that was probably a couple months before this game

00:27:28.380 she showed up at. Okay, over this time. So we've now learned that someone connected them and he then

00:27:35.820 invited her because he saw her at that stadium. Then he invited her to that stadium to see him play

00:27:41.220 and she showed up. And we have a picture of it, I think, of her at this game. And this was huge.

00:27:49.120 Okay, so I've got a question then. Maybe you can tell me. See, I didn't know the backstory. I didn't

00:27:56.100 know like the podcast thing. I thought that they had been dating for a while at this point.

00:28:00.840 That's a theory. Okay. That's what it seems like. Yeah. I don't know. It did all start with him

00:28:08.000 saying, I want to give my number to her via this friendship bracelet. And that was only a couple

00:28:13.840 months before that. So it can't have been that long. Right. But now it's very public. They're

00:28:19.700 seen together a lot. He flew to Argentina to watch her. Now, why was it such a big deal, though,

00:28:25.940 for her to have a boyfriend and to show up at this game? Is it because it's unlikely because

00:28:30.960 he's a football player? Like I could get into deep Taylor Swift lore. But really, the reality is for

00:28:36.040 the past six or seven years, she's been with this guy who's their whole relationship has been

00:28:40.340 completely private. Joe. Oh, wow. I'm so proud of myself. You see, you know things. I know a little.

00:28:46.160 And it was a thing that they like very intentionally were never seen together and never spoke about each

00:28:51.200 other. Nothing. And now it seems like she's almost intentionally being pretty like out there.

00:28:58.280 Yeah. Out there with him. And he clearly likes attention and is very out there as well. So

00:29:04.240 it's just kind of like who also shills for Pfizer. He shills for Pfizer. Also, his some of his old tweets

00:29:11.100 have resurfaced and they just show that he no hate is just at least in 2011 was so dumb because 0.80

00:29:21.000 every tweet is misspelled. You know what? We were all dumb in 2011 probably. Yeah, no, but not in

00:29:25.540 that way. Like he could not spell. Oh, no. I definitely learned to spell sometime before 2011.

00:29:30.980 Yeah. I think in college we probably most of us knew how to spell. But he's a football player. It's

00:29:37.240 okay. He plays football. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. It's just it's a big deal, I guess, because

00:29:42.520 she's giving her fans what they want, which is to see her dating people. To see her in love. 0.99

00:29:47.480 Yeah. Well, people think they're gonna get married spokesperson. She better not break up 1.00

00:29:52.460 with him because I don't think his heart can take anymore. I know. His heart's gonna break

00:29:57.760 either way, right? Either way. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So is she gonna say something about the

00:30:04.380 kindergarten racist? Taylor Swift never says anything political except for that one time

00:30:10.980 and she got in trouble for that. Which one? There was like a documentary that she was

00:30:15.400 in where she finally decided. Oh, yeah. I watched it. Yeah, you watched it. Where she

00:30:17.960 finally decided to talk out against Trump. And she was crying about it. Well, she talked

00:30:21.260 about Martha Blackburn. Yeah, Marsha Blackburn. She was really upset about that. And her dad

00:30:26.400 was begging her, please don't talk politics. You're gonna lose fans. And she said, I have

00:30:31.880 to, Dad. And she did. And she hasn't done it since. And she didn't say anything that was

00:30:36.980 worthwhile. Okay. But I would say that that one music video that she did, You Need

00:30:42.360 to Calm Down, is definitely, I don't know if it's political, but it's like moral and

00:30:48.180 theological. We've talked about it before where she depicted everyone who is against

00:30:52.940 gay so-called marriage as, you know, in the trailer park. Yeah. As, you know, backwards 1.00

00:31:00.140 people who don't brush their teeth and can't spell. Yeah. I mean, she has a couple 0.99

00:31:04.080 like morally weird songs, of course. There's like, there's the one, The Man, where she's

00:31:10.660 talking about how she wouldn't be successful if, or she wouldn't be, she would be more

00:31:15.500 successful if she were a man is the gist of it. Well, one of the music videos, yes. And

00:31:19.800 well, she has a lot of morally questionable songs, I would say. But when it comes to like,

00:31:25.320 oh, that's obviously very progressive. Like one of her music videos, she's with a so-called

00:31:31.520 trans man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Lavender Haze. Yeah, yeah. The guy in it is actually a girl. 1.00

00:31:39.720 Yeah. Yikes. But you wouldn't, you wouldn't know that immediately. It's very, it's kind

00:31:44.380 of like. No, and I think that's their point. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Taylor, Taylor Swift and

00:31:52.700 Travis Kelsey, the progressive power couple. Truly. Yeah. But I mean, if they do get married

00:31:58.580 and have kids, those kids will be very talented. And tall. Very tall. The kid will have to decide

00:32:06.520 between singing and sports. And football. It's like high school musical. Yeah. Yep. I don't

00:32:14.680 know. They could have a mathematician. Maybe not with his genes. I don't know. Maybe.

00:32:19.900 Okay. I really want to get Bree's commentary as much as she wants to on the Islam being trendy 1.00

00:32:38.440 thing now. So, okay. Oakland City Council, they voted on a resolution for ceasefire to condemn

00:32:45.860 Hamas. Because I think that's what I, Bree, I heard, I don't know about you, I heard that 0.74

00:32:51.140 Hamas was waiting for this. I heard that they were waiting for Oakland City Council to sign

00:32:56.260 a resolution. And then when they, when the last signature on the Oakland City Council resolution

00:33:04.640 was signed, they were going to drop their guns. Get out from behind the hospital. Hold

00:33:10.920 hands and start singing and imagine by John Lennon. Because then Palestine will be free.

00:33:15.880 Palestine will be free. Thank you. It's up to Oakland. Yeah. Oakland City Council. And okay, 0.95

00:33:23.080 so in this resolution, which is obviously going to like make a huge difference in the Middle East,

00:33:29.800 someone, some scoundrel tried to insert language condemning Hamas. How dare they? Which is obviously 0.85

00:33:37.240 a terrorist organization. But the residents of Oakland, they would not stand for it, Bree. They

00:33:44.820 wouldn't stand for it. So let's play just a, I just want to play a few seconds of this clip

00:33:49.940 of the people at the City Council in Oakland saying, we shall not condemn Hamas.

00:33:56.200 There's not been beheadings of babies and rapings. Israel murdered their own people on October 7th. 0.69

00:34:01.720 Calling Hamas a terrorist organization is ridiculous, racist, and plays into genocidal propaganda 0.94

00:34:06.600 that is flooding our media and that we should be doing everything possible to combat. 0.63

00:34:10.360 I support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation, including through Hamas,

00:34:14.620 the armed wing of the unified Palestinian resistance.

00:34:17.740 As an Arab, asking with this context to condemn Hamas is very anti-Arab racist.

00:34:22.980 The notion that this was a massacre of Jews is a fabricated narrative.

00:34:25.840 Okay. Um, all right. So, Bree, are these people right? Is Hamas just, uh, made up of sweet 0.65

00:34:36.980 communist college students?

00:34:38.980 It's just the armed wing of the Palestinian resistance.

00:34:41.860 The armed wing.

00:34:42.380 That's it. It's the armed wing. Uh, yeah, no, these people are deranged. I don't know where they learned,

00:34:48.120 I don't know where they learned this. I mean, I guess I do know.

00:34:51.000 Probably UC Berkeley.

00:34:51.840 Yeah, I do know where they learned this kind of thing. Um, but to say it so explicitly,

00:34:56.060 I was telling you yesterday, I can't believe how quickly we have fallen in support of Hamas. 0.56

00:35:04.660 Hamas. 0.73

00:35:05.100 Like, I, I don't know.

00:35:09.680 I mean, we got people out here basically saying that Al-Qaeda was right. 1.00

00:35:13.600 I mean, we talked about last week with James Lindsay, how there are people on TikTok saying,

00:35:19.620 oh, we misunderstood Bin Laden.

00:35:22.080 Yeah.

00:35:22.480 Poor misunderstood guy.

00:35:25.100 Yeah. And people are glorifying Islam now. 1.00

00:35:28.420 What is, I mean, go ahead. What were you going to say?

00:35:32.220 I was just going to say people who are, um, atheists, who are leftists, who never respected

00:35:39.840 any religion are now saying, actually, I feel like these Hamas guys have a point. 1.00

00:35:46.500 Yeah. Yeah. And that they're now reading the Quran.

00:35:51.520 Okay, let's play. And just, I don't want the whole montage of the TikTokers supporting Islam. 1.00

00:35:59.180 I just want like a few seconds of the Islam is trendy clip. 0.62

00:36:04.840 I just started reading the Quran and I am so excited about it.

00:36:08.060 People thought when I first asked that I just wanted to read it out of curiosity,

00:36:11.140 but I want to read it to study it.

00:36:13.400 The way that the Quran describes things actually makes sense to me.

00:36:16.180 And also, did you know that Allah is beyond gender?

00:36:19.700 And this is why so many people are starting to read the Quran.

00:36:22.760 So I ordered a Quran and I just wanted to show you how I have.

00:36:24.900 Okay, so I'm an ex-Christian.

00:36:27.460 I started reading the Quran.

00:36:29.280 All right. So that goes on and on.

00:36:31.700 There's a whole montage of TikTokers saying, 0.99

00:36:34.120 I'm reading the Quran and this is great.

00:36:36.120 It's answered so many of life's questions.

00:36:39.780 Okay, Brie, this is the simple question that I have for these people who are like,

00:36:43.060 oh, Islam is actually awesome.

00:36:46.020 Tell me what Muslim majority country you would like to go move to. 0.99

00:36:50.880 Tell me, where do you want to vacation?

00:36:54.360 Do you want to tell me just what Muslim majority country you would like to visit this weekend?

00:37:00.280 Yeah. So here's the thing.

00:37:02.640 I did work for six years in multiple countries in the Middle East.

00:37:07.400 And there are parts that are nice, but only because I would be an American going there.

00:37:13.260 And as a foreigner, you're usually like a little bit safer there.

00:37:16.420 But no, the people who live there are not free in any country but Israel. 0.98

00:37:25.080 And the places that are typically nicer to visit, like the United Arab Emirates, which also isn't free,

00:37:32.500 the majority of people there are foreigners.

00:37:34.920 So it's just there's nothing true about what those people are saying.

00:37:41.480 Yeah, I don't know.

00:37:45.180 And like the people like Hamas, it's not like, oh, they are going outside of the Quran or the Islamic teachings.

00:37:54.220 They are just taking them to their natural conclusion, right?

00:37:58.800 Yes.

00:37:59.580 The reality of it is it's not a peaceful religion.

00:38:04.840 And the people who are doing some of these things, like Hamas, are following their religion pretty accurately to what their text says. 0.65

00:38:16.240 So, of course, there are always like interpretations of religions.

00:38:20.700 But that's the reality of it.

00:38:23.080 And that's why there are people who say that they're Muslims who are peaceful people. 1.00

00:38:27.600 But it's not like Hamas is going against the teachings of Islam and doing or Hezbollah.

00:38:36.640 I mean, like all people have to do, you can go to Wikipedia, look at the list of terrorist organizations in the world,

00:38:43.440 the officially deemed terrorist organizations, the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of them are connected to Islam.

00:38:50.440 And in the entire Islamic world, all you see is oppression. 0.96

00:38:55.900 Women are oppressed. 0.97

00:38:57.240 Children are oppressed, indoctrinated from the youngest age to hate the infidel and particularly the Jew.

00:39:03.360 And that's another thing is like people justify, oh, Palestinian liberation because of the apartheid and the colonialism, the settlers in Israel.

00:39:12.380 Look, Islam has taught hatred of the Jews long before 1948. 0.98

00:39:15.760 Okay, like this battle has been going on for a very long time that has nothing to do with the establishment of the state of Israel.

00:39:22.880 And obviously the Jews were there before anyone was there thousands and thousands of years ago.

00:39:29.380 So the entire narrative is completely bunk.

00:39:33.260 But it's just crazy that these people who claim to be anti-religion and anti-Christianity because of the so-called oppression that Christianity has caused,

00:39:43.220 now they are opting for the most restrictive and legalistic and oppressive religion.

00:39:49.900 Yeah, and true.

00:39:50.760 I mean, there's something incredibly demonic about it.

00:39:54.380 That first video of the she, him, I don't know what they are.

00:40:02.880 In the rest of that video, the long version, this person says, this is exactly what I need right now.

00:40:09.560 Like, I've never been religious, but I think I believe in God again.

00:40:12.760 This is exactly what I need right now.

00:40:14.360 And watching that, I'm like, yeah, clearly, obviously, that's Satan, you know?

00:40:21.440 Yeah, for the people not watching, like, the first person in that montage was,

00:40:27.040 it looked like a man trying to be a woman, but it could have been the opposite, too.

00:40:33.000 Sometimes, unfortunately, it's just kind of hard to tell.

00:40:35.760 But, yeah, very strange.

00:40:37.240 And this person is saying, oh, yeah, the Quran, Islam is exactly what I need. 0.98

00:40:41.760 It's answering all of life's questions.

00:40:43.440 I'm like, dude. 1.00

00:40:44.360 You know that Hamas would rape and murder you, right? 1.00

00:40:48.060 And behead you. 1.00

00:40:49.160 Throw you off a roof in a second. 1.00

00:40:50.940 All those people in the Oakland.

00:40:52.960 Like, none of them were wearing the guard that they're supposed to be wearing as women. 0.97

00:40:58.020 No, no.

00:40:58.540 All the people in that city council meeting.

00:41:00.300 Yeah, no.

00:41:01.040 They're, yeah, they're heretics because they're not covering their entire face. 0.97

00:41:06.140 Yeah, they're infidels. 1.00

00:41:07.780 And unlike Christianity, who is taught to love our enemies, not just our neighbors, 1.00

00:41:14.080 not just the people who think like us, but to love our enemies, Islam or Hamas, anyway, 0.99

00:41:22.520 they're taught to kill those who not believe as they do.

00:41:26.540 And I was also thinking of this, like, so how, you know, how you hear Hamas and those indoctrinated

00:41:35.760 by Hamas say, like, it is an honor to be a martyr and how they obviously believe that

00:41:41.180 there is some reward from the suicide bombings or when they commit some kind of mass murder

00:41:47.620 and they are killed themselves.

00:41:49.000 That is considered martyrdom.

00:41:52.380 Well, Christianity also talks of martyrdom and the self-sacrifice that comes with that 0.51

00:41:57.940 and the self-denial that comes with that of following Christ even to the point of death.

00:42:02.320 But it is the opposite, is that they are killing themselves and killing other people

00:42:09.140 and calling that martyrdom.

00:42:10.280 The Christian definition of martyrdom is that in the, for trying to save other people,

00:42:17.020 for the sake of the gospel, you are then killed.

00:42:20.120 You're never called to kill yourself.

00:42:21.820 You're never called to harm other people.

00:42:24.620 But martyrdom in Christianity is complete and total peaceful self-sacrifice like what Jesus did.

00:42:31.440 The Islam martyrdom is not just taking out yourself, but taking out as many other people as possible. 0.99

00:42:36.900 So it's just crazy to me how people can look at just those two things,

00:42:40.940 the definition of martyrdom in the two religions and say,

00:42:43.500 yeah, I'm going to go with that one.

00:42:46.200 I'm going to go with the suicide bombing one. 0.89

00:42:49.540 Yeah. 0.88

00:42:50.280 It is demonic, like you said.

00:42:51.620 It's got to be spiritual.

00:42:52.940 Totally.

00:42:53.840 And I will say, just, I mean, because this is all like very depressing,

00:42:57.580 I think it is encouraging because I saw that a lot of the increase in some of this behavior

00:43:05.940 within Islam has led a lot of younger people throughout the Middle East to realize that

00:43:10.820 they don't want this.

00:43:11.820 And a lot of them have walked away from it.

00:43:13.540 A lot of them walk away to atheism because they don't know what Christianity is.

00:43:17.920 But I think there's just like so much opportunity for God to do something incredible in that area.

00:43:23.700 So I don't think it's lost on him, but it is quite depressing to see what's happening.

00:43:31.280 But you know, like, okay, here, let's end this segment on a positive part.

00:43:35.660 Then we're going to end the podcast on the episode on a lighthearted note.

00:43:39.440 But okay, I think that this is, obviously it's very sad when we look at where America has gone

00:43:46.600 from Christianity being so mainstream and cultural Christianity, even though it is not salvific,

00:43:53.420 being a part of our institutions.

00:43:54.740 I would say everyone has benefited from that.

00:43:57.060 We're obviously going in the other direction, which is very spiritually sad.

00:44:01.320 But it does kind of take us out of this America-centric, West-centric mindset that I think a lot of us have,

00:44:08.600 where we think that America is God's chosen country,

00:44:12.500 and that we are going to somehow determine, like, when Jesus is coming back,

00:44:17.220 which is not biblically true, and seeing, okay, the West is falling, and America is falling,

00:44:23.960 but God is working everywhere.

00:44:26.940 And say something is happening in the Middle East,

00:44:29.680 where we think, like, the Enlightenment and the reawakening is going to be here.

00:44:33.500 Maybe it's not here.

00:44:34.820 Maybe it's in the Middle East. 0.99

00:44:36.320 Like, maybe it's in these unlikely places.

00:44:38.720 Maybe it's in Eastern Europe, which has been godless for a long time. 1.00

00:44:41.540 Like, maybe it's going to be in Asia,

00:44:45.100 somewhere that we don't consider a stronghold of Christianity.

00:44:48.220 Like, maybe it's just not here.

00:44:50.160 Like, maybe we are going to be given up to the masters that America has chosen,

00:44:55.440 which is going to be very unfortunate.

00:44:57.120 But that doesn't mean that God isn't working and doing something really big in other places

00:45:01.460 and places that we may least expect it.

00:45:03.700 Yeah.

00:45:04.460 And when Kirk Cameron was here,

00:45:06.020 he was mentioning that other countries are sending missionaries here now.

00:45:10.000 Yeah.

00:45:10.580 We need it.

00:45:11.500 Yeah.

00:45:12.340 Honestly.

00:45:13.400 Yeah.

00:45:13.860 So it's, I agree with that totally.

00:45:16.320 And who knows?

00:45:17.360 Who knows?

00:45:17.960 I mean, God just loves, as we talk about with Kirk,

00:45:20.200 like, he seems to, throughout Scripture,

00:45:22.100 stack the odds against himself before he comes through and does what only he can do.

00:45:27.440 So he will do that somehow,

00:45:29.340 whether it's through Jesus coming back once and for all,

00:45:31.640 or whether we've got several millennia until then.

00:45:35.140 We'll see.

00:45:35.780 But God is always glorified and his eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.

00:45:40.320 All right.

00:45:40.740 Okay.

00:45:41.080 I want to end on a lighthearted thing because we're going to talk about the Golden Bachelor.

00:45:46.080 Because that was really super sad and depressing.

00:45:48.440 Okay.

00:46:01.020 Golden Bachelor controversy.

00:46:02.440 Tonight, Thursday night, November 30th, is the, um, it's the finale, Brie.

00:46:09.240 Yeah.

00:46:09.960 And have you been watching?

00:46:11.260 I have been watching.

00:46:12.940 Yeah.

00:46:13.180 What do you think about it?

00:46:14.680 Um, I have found it a little boring, to be honest.

00:46:20.160 But I thought that they, the way that they, like, produced it was, like, really excellent

00:46:26.200 because they made him look so sympathetic.

00:46:29.000 The sweetest.

00:46:29.940 The sweetest.

00:46:30.820 His story is the sweetest.

00:46:33.040 Um, and all of the, the casting was great for, like, the people he's dating.

00:46:38.200 Obviously, the concept is flawed to begin with.

00:46:41.140 But, um, yeah.

00:46:43.100 I mean, I thought it was sweet just to see a different, like, it's not, you know, all 22-year-olds.

00:46:48.620 So.

00:46:48.820 Yeah.

00:46:49.340 You know, I was excited about it.

00:46:50.920 I started watching it.

00:46:51.940 I think I watched the first two, maybe three.

00:46:54.620 My friend who was, like, she was, like, I don't know, 37 weeks pregnant when we started.

00:47:00.040 She ended up having her baby.

00:47:02.620 And so once she had her baby, then we didn't watch it anymore.

00:47:05.320 And, um, I just hadn't watched it.

00:47:08.220 I didn't watch it by myself because it was just, like, a team thing that we were doing

00:47:12.020 together.

00:47:12.680 And so I haven't seen it since the second or third episode.

00:47:16.680 I had my predictions of who was going to win.

00:47:20.320 And I won't give a spoiler because I saw a spoiler on Twitter.

00:47:24.080 I don't know if it's right or not.

00:47:25.760 But the person who I originally predicted is not apparently going to win.

00:47:31.340 And one of the ladies that I thought was really weird is apparently going to win. 1.00

00:47:37.300 Okay.

00:47:37.540 So let's talk about the controversy and this persona.

00:47:42.440 Um, okay.

00:47:43.560 So his name is spelled G-E-R-R-Y, but it's pronounced Gary, which is really annoying.

00:47:51.600 It's like that scene from Mean Girls where Janice calls her Caddy.

00:47:57.720 And she's like, it's Katie.

00:47:58.640 And she's like, yeah, I'm going to call you Caddy.

00:48:00.420 That's how I feel.

00:48:01.160 I want to be like, yeah, I'm going to call you Jerry.

00:48:02.960 Yeah, I have called you Jerry.

00:48:05.220 I'm going to call you Jerry.

00:48:06.340 Okay.

00:48:06.640 So he is a 72-year-old star of The Golden Bachelor.

00:48:11.000 And, um, so his story was, like, super sympathetic.

00:48:14.860 He said, I haven't dated in 45 years because his wife died, um, which is obviously very sad.

00:48:20.780 And so people, like, put him up for this and they call him a retired restaurateur and they

00:48:27.700 make him seem like he's wealthy, I would say, and, like, well-to-do and obviously, like,

00:48:33.180 very in shape.

00:48:33.920 They tanned him up.

00:48:34.980 Maybe, like, to spray tan.

00:48:36.420 I don't know.

00:48:36.700 Um, and so, but, this is from The Hollywood Reporter that came out a couple days ago.

00:48:43.600 Apparently, like, these things aren't really true.

00:48:46.760 He's not so innocent.

00:48:48.240 He's not so inexperienced when it comes to dating.

00:48:51.160 And he's not a retired restaurateur.

00:48:54.380 Yeah.

00:48:55.360 That's what they said.

00:48:56.760 Right.

00:48:57.140 No, they, yeah, they said he's, like, he's done, like, some odd jobs.

00:49:01.020 I don't think he's, like, wealthy by any means, I think, um, I think the biggest thing

00:49:06.980 was, like, his relationship past.

00:49:08.720 But, yeah, a restaurateur indicates something that I don't think he is.

00:49:12.880 No.

00:49:13.420 Okay.

00:49:13.740 So, this is what they said.

00:49:15.000 Well, first of all, I thought this was funny.

00:49:16.320 The Daily Show comedian Louis Black joked, the guy is like if the word G.

00:49:19.960 Wilkers became a person.

00:49:21.580 That is so true.

00:49:23.000 That's so true.

00:49:23.800 Like, he's so sweet.

00:49:24.860 And none of the stuff that I'm about to read, I don't necessarily, I don't think this

00:49:28.220 means, like, he's a bad person or anything.

00:49:30.300 I just think it's, so, I just more think it's interesting how producers create these

00:49:35.140 personas of all the contestants.

00:49:37.340 And they're like, this is what's going to be most interesting.

00:49:40.380 I think that's fascinating, like, branding type people.

00:49:43.400 So, apparently, according to The Hollywood Reporter, is that he, okay, so they said that

00:49:49.700 he actually did date, and he has dated since his wife died.

00:49:54.920 He's not so, he's not so inexperienced.

00:49:57.700 He began a three-year relationship pretty quickly after his wife died.

00:50:04.420 It's one month after his wife died.

00:50:07.400 This woman who was going by Carolyn, and they moved in together.

00:50:12.640 And according to the article, the relationship was confirmed through Carolyn's family, friends,

00:50:16.640 text messages, and even a background check confirming her address was the same as Jerry's

00:50:20.280 for over a year.

00:50:22.400 And then they broke up in October 2019 after, reportedly, Jerry told Carolyn he wasn't going

00:50:29.260 to take her to his high school reunion looking like that because she had gained weight.

00:50:34.640 And told her to be out by January 1st, 2020.

00:50:38.460 So, that is, I will say, reportedly, that's what's happening.

00:50:43.800 Also, he is not a retired restaurateur.

00:50:46.000 He last owned a restaurant, any restaurant, in 1985, okay, when he sold his Mr. Quick hamburger

00:50:52.760 drive-in franchise, okay?

00:50:55.580 That's a really long time ago.

00:50:58.460 That's a really long time ago.

00:50:59.860 That's almost 40 years ago when he, like, apparently just won drive-in.

00:51:04.860 So, since then, and there's nothing, like, I'm not saying this judgmentally at all, but

00:51:08.980 apparently he was actually a maintenance man at a counseling office.

00:51:15.400 Again, there's nothing wrong with that.

00:51:17.200 But I think it's interesting how the Golden Bachelor people decided, well, that's not part

00:51:23.040 of the persona that we want to build.

00:51:25.020 That's not going to sell.

00:51:26.420 We want someone who seems successful and wealthy.

00:51:30.240 And what's interesting, I have watched, like, other seasons of The Normal Bachelor, and they

00:51:34.520 hardly ever mention what people actually do for work.

00:51:37.400 Yeah.

00:51:38.200 So, maybe they were sort of hoping that, like, no one would ask, because it normally doesn't

00:51:42.820 matter.

00:51:43.380 Yeah.

00:51:43.840 But, yeah, I don't know.

00:51:45.780 Yeah, because I did wonder, if he's, like, this successful, good-looking guy, why would

00:51:50.660 he need something like The Bachelor to set him up?

00:51:54.880 But I guess you never know.

00:51:56.540 I don't know. 0.87

00:51:58.060 And so, yeah, people are just saying, like, it's kind of hypocritical.

00:52:02.100 It's kind of strange.

00:52:02.860 All I'll say is, I hope that whoever he ends up with, he's totally transparent with

00:52:06.880 her.

00:52:07.740 Yeah.

00:52:07.900 And that she knows exactly, like, what it's going to be.

00:52:11.480 Because it's not fair if she thinks that he is some, you know, he owns Maggiano's or

00:52:17.140 something.

00:52:18.800 And it's not real.

00:52:20.420 I will say, there was a pretty heartbreaking scene.

00:52:23.480 This is a spoiler alert for the next, like, minute.

00:52:25.860 But in the, they do, like, hometowns where he goes and visits their hometowns with the

00:52:31.800 last three.

00:52:32.580 Yeah.

00:52:32.940 And not parents.

00:52:34.540 Not to be morbid.

00:52:35.720 No, typically not parents for this one.

00:52:37.720 These people are in their 70s.

00:52:38.200 Yeah, like, their kids and stuff.

00:52:39.720 And for one of them, he, in front of the whole family, they confess their love for each other

00:52:46.420 and they kiss and he says, I am in love with you.

00:52:50.420 And she says it back in front of the whole family.

00:52:52.740 And then he immediately breaks up with her right after that.

00:52:55.540 What?

00:52:56.120 In front of the family?

00:52:57.320 No, not that in front of the family.

00:52:59.480 But then they go and they do, like, the rose ceremony.

00:53:01.620 And he doesn't pick her.

00:53:04.060 And I just thought that was the weirdest thing ever.

00:53:06.280 It's horrible.

00:53:06.600 Do you think the producers made him do that?

00:53:08.720 I don't think they make them pick anyone.

00:53:11.860 I think sometimes they make them keep people around in the earlier episodes.

00:53:16.360 But I don't think at the end they, I think they let him decide.

00:53:19.520 I think he just did that.

00:53:20.520 That was horrible.

00:53:21.540 That's like when Michael Scott breaks up with Pam's mom at lunch in front of them.

00:53:27.800 Oh, you have done so many things that I also want to do without you.

00:53:33.680 Oh, my goodness.

00:53:35.000 Okay.

00:53:35.320 Well, we'll see what happens tonight.

00:53:37.000 And maybe next week we will be, we will talk about, maybe I'll watch it.

00:53:43.120 I don't know.

00:53:44.360 We'll see.

00:53:45.140 I promised everyone on Instagram that I would be giving ongoing commentary.

00:53:49.100 And I haven't.

00:53:49.960 So we'll see what Jerry Gary ends up with tonight.

00:53:55.320 All right.

00:53:56.560 Let me just tell y'all about The Blind before we head out.

00:54:00.680 Which is an amazing true story of Phil Robertson.

00:54:03.480 And his testimony, he and Kay's early marriage and just the turmoil that they went through before he became a Christian.

00:54:09.660 Totally different guy.

00:54:11.340 Christ saved him, made him new.

00:54:12.760 Now I think he's one of the most effective communicators of the gospel who lives today.

00:54:17.360 I just love the Robertson family.

00:54:18.980 I think they're amazing.

00:54:19.720 And I'm so thankful for what God has done through them.

00:54:21.980 But not everyone knows what he used to be like and what their life used to be like.

00:54:26.060 And so this testimony is going to be so encouraging to you.

00:54:29.440 Go to blazetv.com slash The Blind.

00:54:31.600 You can purchase it for $19.99.

00:54:33.740 That's blazetv.com slash The Blind.

00:54:36.640 Blazetv.com slash The Blind.

00:54:38.560 All right.

00:54:39.260 That's all we've got for this week.

00:54:40.740 We'll be back on Monday with an amazing, amazing interview that you're not going to want to miss.

00:54:46.240 Have a great weekend.

00:54:46.900 We'll be right back.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - November 30, 2023

Ep 915 ｜ The Golden Bachelor’s Secret Past

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