Ep 915 ｜ The Golden Bachelor’s Secret Past
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Paris Hilton says she s scared of childbirth, and that s why she has a surrogate. Also, a little kid, a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs, is being lambasted as a racist for what he was wearing to the game over the weekend. We ve got this plus some Golden Bachelor commentary on this week s episode of Relatable.
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Paris Hilton says she's scared of childbirth, and that's why she has decided to use a surrogate.
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Also, a little kid, a fan of the Kansas City Chiefs, is being lambasted as a racist for what
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he was wearing to the game over the weekend. Also, apparently, Islam is trendy now. Oh my
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goodness. We've got this plus some golden bachelor commentary on this episode of Relatable, which is
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Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Thursday. Hope everyone's having a wonderful week. Gosh,
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if you have not listened to yesterday's conversation with Emily, the holistic mom
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leveled all these kinds of false allegations against her involving the use of drugs. And
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after you listen to her yesterday, you will realize that these allegations were completely
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bunk. Gosh, very scary story, but really important. Really important for us to listen to and to
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learn from and to support her. Pray for her. I saw a lot of your comments on YouTube that
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you're going to be praying for her. Yes, please continue to do that because the fight isn't
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entirely over. Go listen to yesterday's episode if you have not already. Share it with everyone.
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And especially in the state of Iowa, there needs to be accountability and transparency.
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All right. We have so much that I want to get to today that we are absolutely not going to get to.
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I will... I'll read you a list of things that we want to talk about that we didn't get to this week.
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We're going to talk about Paris Hilton and her surrogacy stuff because there's more stuff out there.
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The Kansas City Chiefs five-year-old fan who is being blasted as a racist by the media.
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Oakland City Council meeting voting on some resolution
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on Israel. Golden Bachelor controversy. I will make sure that we get to that.
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Mr. Beast, I never was able to talk about him building 100 wells in Africa and people being
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mad at him for that because, of course. And then also this Vatican lunch where they invited a bunch
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of women who pretend to be men there. Wow, there's so much, so much happening. So that's what we want
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to talk about today. We're only probably going to get to about three of those. So let me start with
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what I definitely want to talk about. And I'll bring Brie in a few times throughout probably all
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of these segments, particularly when we talk about the Kansas City Chiefs. There's an important
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subset of that story that Brie has particular insight on. So, okay, let's talk about Paris Hilton.
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So we talked about this a few months ago when she announced that she was, or when she told everyone
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that her son had been born via surrogate. I think her son is like 10 months old now. A lot of people
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also make fun of Paris Hilton for the pictures that she posts with her baby. I mean, he just kind
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of, to me, it kind of looks like an accessory. That's how he is kind of held. Have you seen
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these pictures? Yeah. They're just very awkward. They're very posed and awkward. Yeah, it does.
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That's exactly what it is. It seems kind of like an accessory. I've seen video, like a video of her
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handing her baby to her mom. And it's clear, like, neither of them have ever held a baby before.
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But that's what it looks like. That's what it looks like. Yeah. It's very,
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it's very awkward. Like, they're very awkward about it. Yes. And I'm not like, this is not a judgment on
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like what kind of mother she is. I am not saying she does not love her son. I'm sure she loves her son
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very much. But it is, it's like, okay, if you're going to put your kids online, which is something
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that I am against, like, you are going to get, especially someone with that big of a platform,
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you're going to be kind of scrutinized. And she does seem to use him as an accessory in her photos.
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And that's weird to me. Yeah. Yeah. So she announced several months ago that he was born via surrogate.
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And she said that basically, she's just like, she's scared to have a child. She said that she
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doesn't want to go through childbirth and things like that. And so she wanted to use a surrogate.
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She had her son. And then she also announced that she had several embryos, like over 20 embryos that
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were frozen. And they were really wanting a girl. So they kept on fertilizing the eggs that she that
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were harvested via the IVF process to get the girl that they wanted. I mean, this is really disturbing
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when you think about like sex selective eugenics that are going on here. And it's just applauded as
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like, oh, this is wonderful. This is great. Like Paris is just getting what she wants. She wants to be a
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mom. But what's going to happen to those 20 boys that she created? Is it interesting also that we know
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the gender at the moment of conception that all of these embryos that are human lives, the very
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beginning at the very earliest points of human life, that we know that they are boys and she is
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either going to just freeze them indefinitely. She is going to discard them. That's probably what's
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going to happen. She probably won't put them up for adoption. But she has now announced that
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she has a little girl on the way and the little girl, her name is going to be London. And so we've
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got the Instagram post where she announced that I'm sure that this baby will be well loved. That's not
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really the question. The question is about the ethics of how she brings her children into existence.
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Um, so this was in an article that Glamour published. This was in February, 2023, when she
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was talking about her son being born via surrogate. She says, when I was in the simple life, remember
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that? Remember that? When I was in the simple life, I had to be in a room when a woman was giving birth
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and that traumatized me. But I want a family so bad. It's just the physical part of doing it. I'm just
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so scared. Childbirth and death are the two things that scare me more than anything in the world.
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So you're scared of life. You're scared of how life starts. You're scared of how life ends.
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It's amazing when people have like all the resources in the world, the perpetual like anxiety and sadness
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that a lot of these people live in. But she's not scared of these things for someone else. Like
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for the right price, someone else is taking on those risks. Someone else is taking on the inconvenience,
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the sacrifice, and the hardship that comes with pregnancy and childbirth. So she's willing
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to outsource that to another woman and to use her body. But she is not willing to take on that
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sacrifice for herself. So it's not because she can't have a child. It's not because she has any
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physical ailment. She literally just doesn't want to do it. She doesn't want to ruin her body.
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It does change your body. It changes your body a lot. As someone who has been through it three times
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now, it changes your body a lot. Pregnancy is really hard, especially when you go to like 42 weeks like
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I have. Birth is really hard, whether you have a C-section or whether you have a vaginal birth.
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They're really hard. They come with different kinds of recovery and all of that stuff. But that's what
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you do. That's what you do. The entirety of motherhood is sacrifice. That's the entirety of
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motherhood is giving up yourself, giving up your wants, putting yourself after the needs and the
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well-being of your children. That starts from the moment you pee on the stick and you see the two
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lines. You start doing what is best for your child and not just what you want and what is comfortable
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for you. And unfortunately, Paris doesn't seem to believe that. She doesn't seem to think that.
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And then, of course, there is the problem with the ethics of surrogacy, period, which I'll kind of
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just rehash for you or I'll re-summarize for you the problems with it in just a second.
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Okay, so what's the problem with surrogacy? And we've talked about this a lot. I'm very
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thankful for the fact that this is probably the number one thing that you guys tell me
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your mind was changed on after listening to Relatable and the guests that I've had on that
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have given so much interesting insight on this. Surrogacy, IVF, the entire reproductive industry,
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it's a very sensitive topic because you're dealing with a real and virtuous desire that women have,
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that parents have, which is to have children. Of course, it's a beautiful, wonderful desire in
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all children, whether they're made through IVF or whether they are born via surrogacy, of course,
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are made in the image of God. They have equal value and their parents love them. It's not a
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matter of that. It's a matter of what are children's rights and what is best for the child. And
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particularly if you're talking about surrogacy, there's a lot that has to happen. Obviously,
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the actual biological mom whose egg it is has to go through the IVF process and then the eggs are
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retrieved from the mom and then they are fertilized with the dad's sperm, at least in this case. And
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then these embryos are created and it depends on the doctor. It depends on what you've agreed to,
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how many eggs are actually retrieved, how many embryos are actually created, and then how many
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are transferred. But very often, because you want as high of a chance as possible to actually be able
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to successfully implant the embryo and that embryo to actually grow into a baby, you'll retrieve a lot
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of eggs, you'll create a lot of embryos, you'll freeze a lot of them, and then you'll implant as
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many as you want to actually birth and raise and take care of. But so you have that whole process,
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which is very risky for the embryo, by the way. They have to survive the freezing process. They have
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to survive the transfer process. There's a very high attrition rate for these embryos, which I
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personally think is just like a really big burden to place on these tiny human beings. But then when
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it comes to surrogacy, you are implanting an embryo in the womb of a woman that did not create these
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children. So the likelihood of miscarriage is even higher. But if the baby does grow and then they are
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birthed, they have bonded with this woman because that's how God made us to bond with the woman who
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is carrying us, which is supposed to be our mother. We know her heartbeat. We know her smell. We know her
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voice. We have gotten well acquainted with her. We have created this very natural bond. And then
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when we are birthed via surrogate, when a baby is birthed via surrogate, they are taken away from
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that surrogate. Very often the surrogate is not even allowed to hold that child. And then they're
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placed on the chest of a stranger. Now, Paris Hilton's baby has gotten to know her, obviously,
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and has gotten to know his real parents. But we are purposely creating children through this process
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to break that primal bond, that natural instinctive bond that is created in the womb. And quite frankly,
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we do not know the consequences of that yet. We don't know the physiological, the psychological,
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the emotional, mental consequences of purposely creating the child to take them away from the
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woman that gestated them and then birthed them. And then, of course, you've got a whole other
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terrifying, terrifying and disturbing layer to this when you're talking about same-sex parents,
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particularly two men who buy eggs from one woman because, obviously, they need that to make a child
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and to rent the womb of another woman who is not and cannot be the egg donor. And then they take that
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child both from her biological mother and the woman who gestated her and birthed her. And they take that
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child and raise that child themselves, not only robbing them from robbing the child of the bonds
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that she should have with these women, but also of a mother at all. And so the child from the get-go,
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from the get-go, is being commodified and in some ways being objectified, certainly not being seen
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as someone who has human rights, one of which should be the right to a mother and father.
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So there's a whole host of ethical problems when it comes to the reproductive industry. People get
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understandably, understandably offended when I talk about IVF. And I'm not saying that all of these
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things are on the same level. And I'm not saying at all that you are a bad parent, of course.
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I'm just saying that we should start thinking when it comes to all forms of reproductive technology,
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not, well, what do I want? Let's not start with, well, I want to be a mom, or I want to be a dad,
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or I want to be a parent, or this is a desire that I have. Yes, I understand that, of course.
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And that's a beautiful desire. But that's not where we should start. We should start with,
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what is right. And what is right is not to make a child sacrifice on our behalf. It's not to put
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burdens on a child, on a new human life that we've created that should not be there. Our job is to
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sacrifice our wants to deny ourselves for the good of the most vulnerable, these lives that we have
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created. So what is best for their well-being? That's what we should be asking when it comes to
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all forms of reproductive technology. And Paris Hilton, this is kind of like an exaggerated case
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because most women, I think, who are using surrogates or who are going through these processes,
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it's not because they just want to. It's not because like, oh yeah, I would love to spend tens of
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thousands of dollars. They think that they have to, which again, I still think is morally and ethically
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problematic. But this does show how surrogacy is very often used by the rich to commodify,
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commercialize the bodies of women so that they can skirt around the inconvenience and the discomfort
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of childbirth. And again, you're starting your motherhood journey the exact opposite way
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of how you're supposed to. She is asking her child to sacrifice on her behalf rather than the other
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way around. All right. That's the Paris Hilton surrogacy story. I just like to kind of refresh
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our minds about the fact that this is going on, that America is so liberal when it comes to all this.
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I see conservatives, like I saw a conservative guy on Twitter the other day saying like, it makes me so
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sad that conservatives are against this, you know, surrogacy kind of stuff. He was actually talking
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about the atrocity of two men doing this. Oh my goodness. And he was like, this is like consensual,
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blah, blah, blah. Oh my gosh. Have we not moved past? Have we not seen where consent-based morality
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gets us? Consent is not a sufficient standard of morality, people. There are a lot of disgusting,
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disturbing, immoral things that people consent to. And some of those things should be illegal.
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People consent to selling fentanyl. People consent to odine on fentanyl. Like,
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I mean, some people would say that that should be legal. But just because something is consensual
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doesn't mean that it's right. Certainly doesn't mean it's commendable. And in a lot of cases,
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it should not be legal. And again, the child is not consenting here. And the child matters. The
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voiceless party in this needs someone to speak up for them. All right. Let's move on to
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this crazy story about this Kansas City Chiefs fan. This five-year-old was blasted by an outlet
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called Deadspin because he was wearing a, uh, like a, yeah, whatever that is. What is it? Headdress?
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A headdress. You can see it on there. And you can see that Deadspin, the tweet, they put up a picture
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of the kid's profile. He's wearing, uh, he's wearing black. So it looks like he has black face
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on and he's got this headdress. And then the caption or the tweet that, um, Deadspin wrote says
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the NFL needs to speak out against the Kansas City Chiefs fan in black face, uh, comma, native
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headdress. Oh my gosh. Someone stopped this five-year-old from perpetuating systemic racism. So
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we'll get into that in just a second. Okay, Brie, what in the world? What in the world? This is a
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five-year-old. This is a five-year-old who was wearing a headdress. Obviously a very big Kansas
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City Chiefs fan. If you don't know, if you're like me and you don't really follow sports, this is a
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football. This is a football team. It's a football team. Okay. Professional football team. Um, and
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he is wearing this headdress because he's such a big fan. And oh my gosh, he is wearing what looks
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like black face, Brie, this five-year-old. Um, so the author of the article, uh, for Deadspin, Karen J.
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Phillips, um, he says, he, he said, uh, in the article, it takes a lot to disrespect two groups
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of people at once, but on Sunday afternoon in Las Vegas, a Kansas City Chiefs fan found a way to hate
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black people and the Native Americans at the same time. He said, this is what happens when you ban
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books, stand against critical race theory. Oh my gosh. This guy needs to be thumped in the forehead,
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just flicked in the forehead and try to erase centuries of hate. You give future generations
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the ammunition they need to evolve and recreate racism better than before. Oh my gosh.
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All from a five-year-old? From a five-year-old. He did all of that. He did all of that by wearing
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a headdress. He's a pretty evil five-year-old. Yeah. Oh my gosh. He is basically mocking the trail
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of tears by wearing this headdress. Intentionally. Intentionally. He thought about it. Yeah. That
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morning. Okay. Now let's put up the picture of the five-year-old kid, not from the side, but let's
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see the picture of his full face. Okay. So, oh, oh my gosh, Brie. He actually wasn't wearing black face.
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Look at that. Because the colors of the Chiefs, I guess, are black and red. So I hear. And so one side
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of his sweet little face, we're talking about a five-year-old. He looks a little older than five
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to me. He looks a lot older than five. So I'm going to, I'm not really sure. He looks eight.
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Yeah, maybe. But regardless, he's a kid. One side of his face is red. The other side of his face
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is black. So it wasn't black face. Nope. And like, okay, what if he had painted his whole face black?
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Would that have demanded this article? I still don't think so.
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No, because it's still a child. I mean, honestly, even if it wasn't a child, still doesn't really
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demand this article, but it's a child at a football game.
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No, because it's not doing anything. I'm sorry. It's not doing anything to anyone. I know this
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is what got Megyn Kelly in so much controversy several years ago, where she very understandably
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was like, when did this become the thing? Like the thing that everyone has to cry out about? The
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thing that impugns your character forever? And he attaches this to like the whole political
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moment, the whole political moment of banning critical race theory. That's what made this little
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kid. Put his headdress on. Okay. So Phillips, Phillips tweeted this after people were like,
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okay, you're being ridiculous. This is a kid who cares. He's not hurting anyone. This doesn't matter.
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He's painting both sides of his face. Here's what Karen J. Phillips said. He said,
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hilarious that his name is Karen. Hilarious. It's spelled C-A-R-R-O-N. Karen. Okay. For the
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idiots in my mentions. Idiots. Everyone else is an idiot, Karen says. Sweet Karen. For the idiots in
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my mentions who are treating this as some harmless act because the other side of his face was painted
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red. I could make the argument that that makes it even worse. Oh no, Brie, it's worse. Y'all are the
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ones who hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on Cinco. What? What does that have to do with
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anything? I don't know. Is he bringing in a whole other race to this now? Or is he just,
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is that just an argument? I'm not sure what, I'm not sure. Hate Mexicans, but wear sombreros on
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Cinco. I don't know anyone personally who hates Mexicans. Neither do I. I will eat Mexican food any day
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of the year. Any day. Maybe twice on Cinco de Mayo. Yeah. So I, but I don't know what that has to,
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what that has to do with it. So he says that it's worse that this little, I'm going to go with
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seven-year-old kid. Seven-year-old kid is wearing, is wearing red and black face. Red and black face.
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Um, okay. It also turns out, right, Brie, that this little kid is like native, actually Native
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American himself. Yeah. His mom actually tweeted a photo of him dressed like this and told everyone
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to stop because he is Native American. And I believe it's in our doc here, but I believe his
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grandfather or something is, uh, on the board of some Native American association or something.
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Oh my gosh. Yeah. Look at that. Young chief. Right there. Little chief. Not appropriating anything.
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No. Turns out. No. Which is so funny. But even if he weren't, I don't care. Yeah. I don't care.
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Like even if he were the most Anglo-Saxon of all Anglo-Saxons, he is obviously doing this not to make
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fun or trivialize a certain culture, but to honor it because he likes it.
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I also saw, I forget what organization it is, but it's, it's the people who, the Native American group
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that is upset about the Redskins changing their name. They want to change back to the Redskins
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because they felt that that honored them. Um, and they tweeted this and said, oh, so it's,
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it's okay now when the chiefs do it, but we're not allowed to do it as the Redskins.
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Yeah. So they're upset also about it, but for a different reason.
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Yeah. Very often, not always, but very often it's the whites. It's the whites. They're the
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ones that are offended on behalf of minorities. Yep.
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They're the ones that are like, I have yet to, I don't know any Mexicans who are actually
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offended by a gringo wearing a sombrero. I know.
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Like, or going to a Mexican restaurant. Do you think, do you think that all of the Mexican
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owners of the Mexican restaurants, do you think that they are really concerned with
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Los Gringos coming to their restaurant and eating quesadillas?
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Yeah. They're seething when white people come into the restaurant.
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Yeah. I'm like, okay. I don't care if you do pronounce it.
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Enchilada. As long as you give me the money. I mean, come on. It's so funny. But I also like,
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there's obviously something like super sinister about this because this is a kid.
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Mm-hmm. This is a child. And I don't want to go so far as to say that they've ruined his life
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because he's so young. I think it would actually be worse if he were a little older.
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But I mean, this is like, this is, I think, I think kids should be off,
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like off limits when it comes to this kind of thing. And they don't even care.
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No. And what baffles me is I'm sure in that whole stadium, there was an adult wearing very similar
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garb to this kid. And they chose to highlight this kid instead. The little kid. Yeah. If you
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really, really needed to write this story, you couldn't have found one adult in that whole
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stadium that was just the same. Yeah. I don't believe that. No, this is so disgusting. It's so
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disgusting. And it just goes back to what you hear a lot of people say is that the demand for
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racism outpaces the supply. There is a much greater demand for racism in America than there
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is an actual supply of racism. Most of the things that we see today, all of the microaggressions
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that we're told, the disparities that exist between races that we are told they must automatically be
00:25:55.980
assumed to be the fault of racism, there are usually other explanations for them that is not
00:26:02.500
racial discrimination. But the people who make money off of peddling this stuff and the splintering
00:26:09.720
that this causes in America, they can't let it go. They can't let it go because it's what gives them
00:26:15.660
power. I hope his parents stay really strong. I'm so glad that they didn't apologize. Do not apologize
00:26:23.060
for that which you are not sorry or sorry. Yeah, I almost said sorry for but then I would have said
00:26:28.500
two fours. Do not apologize for that which you are not sorry and which you should not be sorry. He
00:26:34.800
should not be sorry for this. He absolutely shouldn't. Okay, some people, some people, Brie, are saying
00:26:41.240
that Taylor Swift's silence on this issue is deafening. Yeah. Why? What does Taylor Swift have to do with
00:26:52.280
this? The story of her life. Let me tell you, Ellie. Okay. In September, Taylor Swift appeared
00:27:01.400
at a Kansas City Chiefs game and this was after Travis Kelsey, who is side end for the Kansas City
00:27:11.760
Chiefs, told people on his podcast that he had made a friendship bracelet, which is a thing you do at her
00:27:18.400
tour with his number on it and he wanted to give it to Taylor Swift and never got a chance to. Wait,
00:27:23.780
when did he do say that? That was probably like, that was probably a couple months before this game
00:27:28.380
she showed up at. Okay, over this time. So we've now learned that someone connected them and he then
00:27:35.820
invited her because he saw her at that stadium. Then he invited her to that stadium to see him play
00:27:41.220
and she showed up. And we have a picture of it, I think, of her at this game. And this was huge.
00:27:49.120
Okay, so I've got a question then. Maybe you can tell me. See, I didn't know the backstory. I didn't
00:27:56.100
know like the podcast thing. I thought that they had been dating for a while at this point.
00:28:00.840
That's a theory. Okay. That's what it seems like. Yeah. I don't know. It did all start with him
00:28:08.000
saying, I want to give my number to her via this friendship bracelet. And that was only a couple
00:28:13.840
months before that. So it can't have been that long. Right. But now it's very public. They're
00:28:19.700
seen together a lot. He flew to Argentina to watch her. Now, why was it such a big deal, though,
00:28:25.940
for her to have a boyfriend and to show up at this game? Is it because it's unlikely because
00:28:30.960
he's a football player? Like I could get into deep Taylor Swift lore. But really, the reality is for
00:28:36.040
the past six or seven years, she's been with this guy who's their whole relationship has been
00:28:40.340
completely private. Joe. Oh, wow. I'm so proud of myself. You see, you know things. I know a little.
00:28:46.160
And it was a thing that they like very intentionally were never seen together and never spoke about each
00:28:51.200
other. Nothing. And now it seems like she's almost intentionally being pretty like out there.
00:28:58.280
Yeah. Out there with him. And he clearly likes attention and is very out there as well. So
00:29:04.240
it's just kind of like who also shills for Pfizer. He shills for Pfizer. Also, his some of his old tweets
00:29:11.100
have resurfaced and they just show that he no hate is just at least in 2011 was so dumb because
00:29:21.000
every tweet is misspelled. You know what? We were all dumb in 2011 probably. Yeah, no, but not in
00:29:25.540
that way. Like he could not spell. Oh, no. I definitely learned to spell sometime before 2011.
00:29:30.980
Yeah. I think in college we probably most of us knew how to spell. But he's a football player. It's
00:29:37.240
okay. He plays football. Yeah. So yeah, I don't know. It's just it's a big deal, I guess, because
00:29:42.520
she's giving her fans what they want, which is to see her dating people. To see her in love.
00:29:47.480
Yeah. Well, people think they're gonna get married spokesperson. She better not break up
00:29:52.460
with him because I don't think his heart can take anymore. I know. His heart's gonna break
00:29:57.760
either way, right? Either way. Oh, my gosh. Okay. So is she gonna say something about the
00:30:04.380
kindergarten racist? Taylor Swift never says anything political except for that one time
00:30:10.980
and she got in trouble for that. Which one? There was like a documentary that she was
00:30:15.400
in where she finally decided. Oh, yeah. I watched it. Yeah, you watched it. Where she
00:30:17.960
finally decided to talk out against Trump. And she was crying about it. Well, she talked
00:30:21.260
about Martha Blackburn. Yeah, Marsha Blackburn. She was really upset about that. And her dad
00:30:26.400
was begging her, please don't talk politics. You're gonna lose fans. And she said, I have
00:30:31.880
to, Dad. And she did. And she hasn't done it since. And she didn't say anything that was
00:30:36.980
worthwhile. Okay. But I would say that that one music video that she did, You Need
00:30:42.360
to Calm Down, is definitely, I don't know if it's political, but it's like moral and
00:30:48.180
theological. We've talked about it before where she depicted everyone who is against
00:30:52.940
gay so-called marriage as, you know, in the trailer park. Yeah. As, you know, backwards
00:31:00.140
people who don't brush their teeth and can't spell. Yeah. I mean, she has a couple
00:31:04.080
like morally weird songs, of course. There's like, there's the one, The Man, where she's
00:31:10.660
talking about how she wouldn't be successful if, or she wouldn't be, she would be more
00:31:15.500
successful if she were a man is the gist of it. Well, one of the music videos, yes. And
00:31:19.800
well, she has a lot of morally questionable songs, I would say. But when it comes to like,
00:31:25.320
oh, that's obviously very progressive. Like one of her music videos, she's with a so-called
00:31:31.520
trans man. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Lavender Haze. Yeah, yeah. The guy in it is actually a girl.
00:31:39.720
Yeah. Yikes. But you wouldn't, you wouldn't know that immediately. It's very, it's kind
00:31:44.380
of like. No, and I think that's their point. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Taylor, Taylor Swift and
00:31:52.700
Travis Kelsey, the progressive power couple. Truly. Yeah. But I mean, if they do get married
00:31:58.580
and have kids, those kids will be very talented. And tall. Very tall. The kid will have to decide
00:32:06.520
between singing and sports. And football. It's like high school musical. Yeah. Yep. I don't
00:32:14.680
know. They could have a mathematician. Maybe not with his genes. I don't know. Maybe.
00:32:19.900
Okay. I really want to get Bree's commentary as much as she wants to on the Islam being trendy
00:32:38.440
thing now. So, okay. Oakland City Council, they voted on a resolution for ceasefire to condemn
00:32:45.860
Hamas. Because I think that's what I, Bree, I heard, I don't know about you, I heard that
00:32:51.140
Hamas was waiting for this. I heard that they were waiting for Oakland City Council to sign
00:32:56.260
a resolution. And then when they, when the last signature on the Oakland City Council resolution
00:33:04.640
was signed, they were going to drop their guns. Get out from behind the hospital. Hold
00:33:10.920
hands and start singing and imagine by John Lennon. Because then Palestine will be free.
00:33:15.880
Palestine will be free. Thank you. It's up to Oakland. Yeah. Oakland City Council. And okay,
00:33:23.080
so in this resolution, which is obviously going to like make a huge difference in the Middle East,
00:33:29.800
someone, some scoundrel tried to insert language condemning Hamas. How dare they? Which is obviously
00:33:37.240
a terrorist organization. But the residents of Oakland, they would not stand for it, Bree. They
00:33:44.820
wouldn't stand for it. So let's play just a, I just want to play a few seconds of this clip
00:33:49.940
of the people at the City Council in Oakland saying, we shall not condemn Hamas.
00:33:56.200
There's not been beheadings of babies and rapings. Israel murdered their own people on October 7th.
00:34:01.720
Calling Hamas a terrorist organization is ridiculous, racist, and plays into genocidal propaganda
00:34:06.600
that is flooding our media and that we should be doing everything possible to combat.
00:34:10.360
I support the right of Palestinians to resist occupation, including through Hamas,
00:34:14.620
the armed wing of the unified Palestinian resistance.
00:34:17.740
As an Arab, asking with this context to condemn Hamas is very anti-Arab racist.
00:34:22.980
The notion that this was a massacre of Jews is a fabricated narrative.
00:34:25.840
Okay. Um, all right. So, Bree, are these people right? Is Hamas just, uh, made up of sweet
00:34:38.980
It's just the armed wing of the Palestinian resistance.
00:34:42.380
That's it. It's the armed wing. Uh, yeah, no, these people are deranged. I don't know where they learned,
00:34:48.120
I don't know where they learned this. I mean, I guess I do know.
00:34:51.840
Yeah, I do know where they learned this kind of thing. Um, but to say it so explicitly,
00:34:56.060
I was telling you yesterday, I can't believe how quickly we have fallen in support of Hamas.
00:35:09.680
I mean, we got people out here basically saying that Al-Qaeda was right.
00:35:13.600
I mean, we talked about last week with James Lindsay, how there are people on TikTok saying,
00:35:28.420
What is, I mean, go ahead. What were you going to say?
00:35:32.220
I was just going to say people who are, um, atheists, who are leftists, who never respected
00:35:39.840
any religion are now saying, actually, I feel like these Hamas guys have a point.
00:35:46.500
Yeah. Yeah. And that they're now reading the Quran.
00:35:51.520
Okay, let's play. And just, I don't want the whole montage of the TikTokers supporting Islam.
00:35:59.180
I just want like a few seconds of the Islam is trendy clip.
00:36:04.840
I just started reading the Quran and I am so excited about it.
00:36:08.060
People thought when I first asked that I just wanted to read it out of curiosity,
00:36:13.400
The way that the Quran describes things actually makes sense to me.
00:36:16.180
And also, did you know that Allah is beyond gender?
00:36:19.700
And this is why so many people are starting to read the Quran.
00:36:22.760
So I ordered a Quran and I just wanted to show you how I have.
00:36:39.780
Okay, Brie, this is the simple question that I have for these people who are like,
00:36:46.020
Tell me what Muslim majority country you would like to go move to.
00:36:54.360
Do you want to tell me just what Muslim majority country you would like to visit this weekend?
00:37:02.640
I did work for six years in multiple countries in the Middle East.
00:37:07.400
And there are parts that are nice, but only because I would be an American going there.
00:37:13.260
And as a foreigner, you're usually like a little bit safer there.
00:37:16.420
But no, the people who live there are not free in any country but Israel.
00:37:25.080
And the places that are typically nicer to visit, like the United Arab Emirates, which also isn't free,
00:37:34.920
So it's just there's nothing true about what those people are saying.
00:37:45.180
And like the people like Hamas, it's not like, oh, they are going outside of the Quran or the Islamic teachings.
00:37:54.220
They are just taking them to their natural conclusion, right?
00:37:59.580
The reality of it is it's not a peaceful religion.
00:38:04.840
And the people who are doing some of these things, like Hamas, are following their religion pretty accurately to what their text says.
00:38:16.240
So, of course, there are always like interpretations of religions.
00:38:23.080
And that's why there are people who say that they're Muslims who are peaceful people.
00:38:27.600
But it's not like Hamas is going against the teachings of Islam and doing or Hezbollah.
00:38:36.640
I mean, like all people have to do, you can go to Wikipedia, look at the list of terrorist organizations in the world,
00:38:43.440
the officially deemed terrorist organizations, the vast, vast, vast, vast, vast majority of them are connected to Islam.
00:38:50.440
And in the entire Islamic world, all you see is oppression.
00:38:57.240
Children are oppressed, indoctrinated from the youngest age to hate the infidel and particularly the Jew.
00:39:03.360
And that's another thing is like people justify, oh, Palestinian liberation because of the apartheid and the colonialism, the settlers in Israel.
00:39:12.380
Look, Islam has taught hatred of the Jews long before 1948.
00:39:15.760
Okay, like this battle has been going on for a very long time that has nothing to do with the establishment of the state of Israel.
00:39:22.880
And obviously the Jews were there before anyone was there thousands and thousands of years ago.
00:39:33.260
But it's just crazy that these people who claim to be anti-religion and anti-Christianity because of the so-called oppression that Christianity has caused,
00:39:43.220
now they are opting for the most restrictive and legalistic and oppressive religion.
00:39:50.760
I mean, there's something incredibly demonic about it.
00:39:54.380
That first video of the she, him, I don't know what they are.
00:40:02.880
In the rest of that video, the long version, this person says, this is exactly what I need right now.
00:40:09.560
Like, I've never been religious, but I think I believe in God again.
00:40:14.360
And watching that, I'm like, yeah, clearly, obviously, that's Satan, you know?
00:40:21.440
Yeah, for the people not watching, like, the first person in that montage was,
00:40:27.040
it looked like a man trying to be a woman, but it could have been the opposite, too.
00:40:33.000
Sometimes, unfortunately, it's just kind of hard to tell.
00:40:37.240
And this person is saying, oh, yeah, the Quran, Islam is exactly what I need.
00:40:44.360
You know that Hamas would rape and murder you, right?
00:40:52.960
Like, none of them were wearing the guard that they're supposed to be wearing as women.
00:41:01.040
They're, yeah, they're heretics because they're not covering their entire face.
00:41:07.780
And unlike Christianity, who is taught to love our enemies, not just our neighbors,
00:41:14.080
not just the people who think like us, but to love our enemies, Islam or Hamas, anyway,
00:41:22.520
they're taught to kill those who not believe as they do.
00:41:26.540
And I was also thinking of this, like, so how, you know, how you hear Hamas and those indoctrinated
00:41:35.760
by Hamas say, like, it is an honor to be a martyr and how they obviously believe that
00:41:41.180
there is some reward from the suicide bombings or when they commit some kind of mass murder
00:41:52.380
Well, Christianity also talks of martyrdom and the self-sacrifice that comes with that
00:41:57.940
and the self-denial that comes with that of following Christ even to the point of death.
00:42:02.320
But it is the opposite, is that they are killing themselves and killing other people
00:42:10.280
The Christian definition of martyrdom is that in the, for trying to save other people,
00:42:17.020
for the sake of the gospel, you are then killed.
00:42:24.620
But martyrdom in Christianity is complete and total peaceful self-sacrifice like what Jesus did.
00:42:31.440
The Islam martyrdom is not just taking out yourself, but taking out as many other people as possible.
00:42:36.900
So it's just crazy to me how people can look at just those two things,
00:42:40.940
the definition of martyrdom in the two religions and say,
00:42:53.840
And I will say, just, I mean, because this is all like very depressing,
00:42:57.580
I think it is encouraging because I saw that a lot of the increase in some of this behavior
00:43:05.940
within Islam has led a lot of younger people throughout the Middle East to realize that
00:43:13.540
A lot of them walk away to atheism because they don't know what Christianity is.
00:43:17.920
But I think there's just like so much opportunity for God to do something incredible in that area.
00:43:23.700
So I don't think it's lost on him, but it is quite depressing to see what's happening.
00:43:31.280
But you know, like, okay, here, let's end this segment on a positive part.
00:43:35.660
Then we're going to end the podcast on the episode on a lighthearted note.
00:43:39.440
But okay, I think that this is, obviously it's very sad when we look at where America has gone
00:43:46.600
from Christianity being so mainstream and cultural Christianity, even though it is not salvific,
00:43:57.060
We're obviously going in the other direction, which is very spiritually sad.
00:44:01.320
But it does kind of take us out of this America-centric, West-centric mindset that I think a lot of us have,
00:44:08.600
where we think that America is God's chosen country,
00:44:12.500
and that we are going to somehow determine, like, when Jesus is coming back,
00:44:17.220
which is not biblically true, and seeing, okay, the West is falling, and America is falling,
00:44:26.940
And say something is happening in the Middle East,
00:44:29.680
where we think, like, the Enlightenment and the reawakening is going to be here.
00:44:38.720
Maybe it's in Eastern Europe, which has been godless for a long time.
00:44:45.100
somewhere that we don't consider a stronghold of Christianity.
00:44:50.160
Like, maybe we are going to be given up to the masters that America has chosen,
00:44:57.120
But that doesn't mean that God isn't working and doing something really big in other places
00:45:06.020
he was mentioning that other countries are sending missionaries here now.
00:45:17.960
I mean, God just loves, as we talk about with Kirk,
00:45:22.100
stack the odds against himself before he comes through and does what only he can do.
00:45:29.340
whether it's through Jesus coming back once and for all,
00:45:31.640
or whether we've got several millennia until then.
00:45:35.780
But God is always glorified and his eternal plan of redemption is going off without a hitch.
00:45:41.080
I want to end on a lighthearted thing because we're going to talk about the Golden Bachelor.
00:45:46.080
Because that was really super sad and depressing.
00:46:02.440
Tonight, Thursday night, November 30th, is the, um, it's the finale, Brie.
00:46:14.680
Um, I have found it a little boring, to be honest.
00:46:20.160
But I thought that they, the way that they, like, produced it was, like, really excellent
00:46:33.040
Um, and all of the, the casting was great for, like, the people he's dating.
00:46:38.200
Obviously, the concept is flawed to begin with.
00:46:43.100
I mean, I thought it was sweet just to see a different, like, it's not, you know, all 22-year-olds.
00:46:54.620
My friend who was, like, she was, like, I don't know, 37 weeks pregnant when we started.
00:47:02.620
And so once she had her baby, then we didn't watch it anymore.
00:47:08.220
I didn't watch it by myself because it was just, like, a team thing that we were doing
00:47:12.680
And so I haven't seen it since the second or third episode.
00:47:20.320
And I won't give a spoiler because I saw a spoiler on Twitter.
00:47:25.760
But the person who I originally predicted is not apparently going to win.
00:47:31.340
And one of the ladies that I thought was really weird is apparently going to win.
00:47:37.540
So let's talk about the controversy and this persona.
00:47:43.560
So his name is spelled G-E-R-R-Y, but it's pronounced Gary, which is really annoying.
00:47:51.600
It's like that scene from Mean Girls where Janice calls her Caddy.
00:47:58.640
And she's like, yeah, I'm going to call you Caddy.
00:48:01.160
I want to be like, yeah, I'm going to call you Jerry.
00:48:06.640
So he is a 72-year-old star of The Golden Bachelor.
00:48:11.000
And, um, so his story was, like, super sympathetic.
00:48:14.860
He said, I haven't dated in 45 years because his wife died, um, which is obviously very sad.
00:48:20.780
And so people, like, put him up for this and they call him a retired restaurateur and they
00:48:27.700
make him seem like he's wealthy, I would say, and, like, well-to-do and obviously, like,
00:48:36.700
Um, and so, but, this is from The Hollywood Reporter that came out a couple days ago.
00:48:43.600
Apparently, like, these things aren't really true.
00:48:48.240
He's not so inexperienced when it comes to dating.
00:48:57.140
No, they, yeah, they said he's, like, he's done, like, some odd jobs.
00:49:01.020
I don't think he's, like, wealthy by any means, I think, um, I think the biggest thing
00:49:08.720
But, yeah, a restaurateur indicates something that I don't think he is.
00:49:16.320
The Daily Show comedian Louis Black joked, the guy is like if the word G.
00:49:24.860
And none of the stuff that I'm about to read, I don't necessarily, I don't think this
00:49:30.300
I just think it's, so, I just more think it's interesting how producers create these
00:49:37.340
And they're like, this is what's going to be most interesting.
00:49:40.380
I think that's fascinating, like, branding type people.
00:49:43.400
So, apparently, according to The Hollywood Reporter, is that he, okay, so they said that
00:49:49.700
he actually did date, and he has dated since his wife died.
00:49:57.700
He began a three-year relationship pretty quickly after his wife died.
00:50:07.400
This woman who was going by Carolyn, and they moved in together.
00:50:12.640
And according to the article, the relationship was confirmed through Carolyn's family, friends,
00:50:16.640
text messages, and even a background check confirming her address was the same as Jerry's
00:50:22.400
And then they broke up in October 2019 after, reportedly, Jerry told Carolyn he wasn't going
00:50:29.260
to take her to his high school reunion looking like that because she had gained weight.
00:50:38.460
So, that is, I will say, reportedly, that's what's happening.
00:50:46.000
He last owned a restaurant, any restaurant, in 1985, okay, when he sold his Mr. Quick hamburger
00:50:59.860
That's almost 40 years ago when he, like, apparently just won drive-in.
00:51:04.860
So, since then, and there's nothing, like, I'm not saying this judgmentally at all, but
00:51:08.980
apparently he was actually a maintenance man at a counseling office.
00:51:17.200
But I think it's interesting how the Golden Bachelor people decided, well, that's not part
00:51:26.420
We want someone who seems successful and wealthy.
00:51:30.240
And what's interesting, I have watched, like, other seasons of The Normal Bachelor, and they
00:51:34.520
hardly ever mention what people actually do for work.
00:51:38.200
So, maybe they were sort of hoping that, like, no one would ask, because it normally doesn't
00:51:45.780
Yeah, because I did wonder, if he's, like, this successful, good-looking guy, why would
00:51:50.660
he need something like The Bachelor to set him up?
00:51:58.060
And so, yeah, people are just saying, like, it's kind of hypocritical.
00:52:02.860
All I'll say is, I hope that whoever he ends up with, he's totally transparent with
00:52:07.900
And that she knows exactly, like, what it's going to be.
00:52:11.480
Because it's not fair if she thinks that he is some, you know, he owns Maggiano's or
00:52:20.420
I will say, there was a pretty heartbreaking scene.
00:52:23.480
This is a spoiler alert for the next, like, minute.
00:52:25.860
But in the, they do, like, hometowns where he goes and visits their hometowns with the
00:52:39.720
And for one of them, he, in front of the whole family, they confess their love for each other
00:52:46.420
and they kiss and he says, I am in love with you.
00:52:50.420
And she says it back in front of the whole family.
00:52:52.740
And then he immediately breaks up with her right after that.
00:52:59.480
But then they go and they do, like, the rose ceremony.
00:53:04.060
And I just thought that was the weirdest thing ever.
00:53:11.860
I think sometimes they make them keep people around in the earlier episodes.
00:53:16.360
But I don't think at the end they, I think they let him decide.
00:53:21.540
That's like when Michael Scott breaks up with Pam's mom at lunch in front of them.
00:53:27.800
Oh, you have done so many things that I also want to do without you.
00:53:37.000
And maybe next week we will be, we will talk about, maybe I'll watch it.
00:53:45.140
I promised everyone on Instagram that I would be giving ongoing commentary.
00:53:49.960
So we'll see what Jerry Gary ends up with tonight.
00:53:56.560
Let me just tell y'all about The Blind before we head out.
00:54:00.680
Which is an amazing true story of Phil Robertson.
00:54:03.480
And his testimony, he and Kay's early marriage and just the turmoil that they went through before he became a Christian.
00:54:12.760
Now I think he's one of the most effective communicators of the gospel who lives today.
00:54:19.720
And I'm so thankful for what God has done through them.
00:54:21.980
But not everyone knows what he used to be like and what their life used to be like.
00:54:26.060
And so this testimony is going to be so encouraging to you.
00:54:40.740
We'll be back on Monday with an amazing, amazing interview that you're not going to want to miss.