Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 06, 2023


Ep 918 ｜ My Response to the 'DINK' Trend


Episode Stats

Length

53 minutes

Words per Minute

162.41583

Word Count

8,756

Sentence Count

569

Misogynist Sentences

42

Hate Speech Sentences

42


Summary

Childless dinkers are taking over TikTok, talking about the joys of childlessness, and then on the other end of that we have men discussing picking the mother of their children out of a catalog, and the Director of the National Women's Law Center says she can't know what a woman is because she's not a scientist.


Transcript

00:00:00.460 Dinks are taking over TikTok, talking about the joys of childlessness.
00:00:06.100 And then on the other end of that, we've got men discussing picking the mother of their
00:00:11.760 children out of a catalog.
00:00:15.900 Yikes.
00:00:16.620 And also the director of the National Women's Law Center says she can't know what a woman
00:00:21.240 is because she's not a scientist.
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00:01:40.460 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable.
00:01:42.600 Happy Wednesday.
00:01:43.640 Hope everyone is having a great week so far.
00:01:46.560 All right.
00:01:47.440 We've got quite a few things to talk about today.
00:01:51.060 And I think we'll just go ahead and get right into it.
00:01:54.020 The first one is this video that's been going around, I think originally on TikTok, but I'm
00:01:59.340 a grown up.
00:02:00.080 So I see these things on Instagram and Twitter weeks later.
00:02:02.860 And it is a play on this trend where you can explain it better since you actually have
00:02:11.240 a TikTok if I'm not explaining it correctly.
00:02:13.500 But people say things like, we're blank, like we're moms or we're boy moms or we're tech employees.
00:02:23.360 And then they say some characteristic of themselves, like we're moms.
00:02:28.680 We're up every night until three.
00:02:30.940 We're moms.
00:02:32.020 We find poop on our cardigan at random times of the day.
00:02:35.260 We're moms.
00:02:36.100 Blah, blah, blah.
00:02:36.660 That kind of thing.
00:02:37.520 Yeah, that's real.
00:02:39.200 Anyway.
00:02:40.160 And so now there is one that's going viral that is saying we are dinks.
00:02:46.320 We're dinks.
00:02:47.100 And if you don't know what that means, it's double income, no kids.
00:02:51.120 I have known what that acronym is for a while.
00:02:54.640 I think I first heard it right out of college.
00:02:57.340 Dinks, double income, no kids, which is a very kind of like free season in your life where
00:03:04.000 you're making plenty of money and you can do anything you really want to do because you
00:03:09.120 are not tied down by children.
00:03:11.820 And so people, of course, are glorifying not just this season of life, but this choice.
00:03:18.800 You've probably heard of this anti-natalist movement, which is child free by choice.
00:03:25.540 And it's not just presenting this as a viable option for people, but actually as the better
00:03:31.500 and more virtuous option because of the dangers of climate change and the way the world is
00:03:36.440 going, we are presented with having no kids as the more virtuous, the more responsible,
00:03:44.240 even the more mature and sophisticated option.
00:03:47.260 And definitely if you're going to have kids, we're told just having one kid, maybe two if
00:03:51.720 you're feeling crazy, is the right thing to do because the underlying premise is that
00:03:58.800 humans make the world worse, that we weigh down the world, that we burden the worlds,
00:04:05.440 that we're stripping the world of its resources.
00:04:09.020 And so rather than being a credit to society and a credit to the future, we're a debit.
00:04:15.160 That is the mentality that underlies this.
00:04:17.660 It's a very anti-human mentality, actually, when you think about it.
00:04:21.540 Now, I'm not saying that everyone who chooses not to have kids is anti-human, but this movement
00:04:26.720 that glorifies childlessness and glorifies the lack of responsibility and sacrifice and
00:04:34.040 glorifies the convenience and comfort of not having children is something that is better
00:04:38.540 and more virtuous and more responsible than having kids.
00:04:42.380 That is anti-human.
00:04:44.580 That does have the underlying premise that human beings are a problem rather than a benefit
00:04:50.520 to society.
00:04:51.400 So I'll react to this viral video that I've seen going around on Twitter.
00:04:57.940 Here it is.
00:04:59.140 We're dinks.
00:04:59.800 We're going to get asked daily when we plan on having kids.
00:05:02.120 We're dinks.
00:05:02.740 Of course, we're going to go out to eat every night after work.
00:05:04.940 We're dinks.
00:05:05.640 We don't have to ask our family for financial help or to watch our kid when we want to go
00:05:09.140 out.
00:05:09.880 We're dinks.
00:05:10.520 We're going to go to Costco and buy all the snacks in bulk that we want.
00:05:14.100 We're dinks.
00:05:14.940 We have disposable income to spend on whatever we would like and don't have to spend on a kid.
00:05:19.880 We're dinks.
00:05:20.480 I'm going to go to every football game and play 18 holes whenever I want.
00:05:24.840 We're dinks.
00:05:25.500 We're going to get asked at every single family event what we're doing with our life.
00:05:29.940 Okay, so let me say something positive first.
00:05:34.020 Let me say something positive.
00:05:35.580 And that is the season of your life, if you are choosing, which of course I believe that
00:05:42.340 everyone should, to have kids after you get married, then there will be a season of your
00:05:51.900 marriage where you don't have children and where you are freer to do the things that you
00:05:59.560 want to do, whether that's just for nine months after your honeymoon, if you get pregnant really
00:06:04.180 quickly or a year or two years or whatever it is.
00:06:07.220 There is a period of time, maybe you don't have a double income, but you probably do where
00:06:11.840 you are dinks.
00:06:13.080 And I will just say that is a very free and can be a really fun time.
00:06:18.980 You don't realize it at the time, but you get to sleep more.
00:06:23.440 It is a lot more convenient.
00:06:25.680 You get to do everything that you want to do basically, you know, within the parameters
00:06:31.460 of your job responsibilities, and it's just a lot easier.
00:06:37.340 Of course, it's a lot easier.
00:06:38.840 Of course, you have more money.
00:06:40.740 Of course, you get to do more of the things that you want to do on a second by second basis.
00:06:45.620 Yes, you're less self-centered probably than when you were single, and that's not dogging
00:06:50.240 on single people.
00:06:51.060 It's just the way that it is.
00:06:52.480 When you get married, you have to think about someone else, and you have to bend what you
00:06:56.100 want to what someone else wants.
00:06:58.220 And there are different compromises and sacrifices that have to be made between the husband and
00:07:03.220 the wife.
00:07:03.620 You have to learn to live with someone else.
00:07:05.320 There are all different kinds of things that you have to give up, big and small, when you
00:07:12.240 get married.
00:07:13.360 But then you become this unit, and then you are still self-centered in a way, because it
00:07:18.560 becomes not just what you want to do, but what y'all want to do together.
00:07:23.400 And there's nothing necessarily inherently wrong about that.
00:07:27.240 Of course, as Christians, we are still called to care for others.
00:07:30.860 We're still called to put others' needs above our own, and to love the church, and to serve
00:07:36.180 the church.
00:07:36.780 But at the end of the day, at the end of church, you get to go home on a Sunday and take a three-hour
00:07:41.260 nap if you want to.
00:07:42.300 And that is not always possible when you have kids.
00:07:45.540 And so, look, if you are in this stage of marriage right now, like if this is where God
00:07:50.340 has you, that you are a double income, no kids, it's okay to enjoy it.
00:07:54.040 You don't have to sit there and languish and say, oh my gosh, I'm just so sad and miserable
00:08:00.240 because I'm not in the season of life yet of having kids.
00:08:03.760 That will come.
00:08:04.520 You could be grateful for these freedoms and the extra income that you might have in this
00:08:08.640 stage of life.
00:08:09.140 So let me just say that positivity first.
00:08:12.660 It is really fun just to be with you and your husband, and to hang out, and to be able
00:08:19.180 to stay up as late as you want and to sleep in as late as you want on Saturdays.
00:08:22.820 That's great.
00:08:24.000 However, that only gets you so far.
00:08:26.720 That only lasts so long.
00:08:30.160 Our lives are not meant to be centered on consumption.
00:08:38.120 Centered on what we want.
00:08:40.800 Centered on satiating our hunger and our thirst, literally and metaphorically, and doing all
00:08:47.620 the things that we want to do with as little sacrifice as possible.
00:08:52.720 Yes, that feels good, but it's not ultimately what fulfills you.
00:08:57.720 That's not what human beings are for.
00:09:00.080 Human beings are not for taking, taking, taking.
00:09:04.060 Human beings are made to give, are made to sacrifice, are made to do really difficult and
00:09:11.400 courageous things.
00:09:12.580 Things that take effort, things that take us out of our comfort zone.
00:09:18.180 And one of the things that I guarantee you will sanctify you in this way, will pull you
00:09:24.420 out of yourself, will force you to put the needs and the well-being of someone else before
00:09:30.820 your own, is not just marriage that does do that to a certain extent, but children.
00:09:36.680 And it hits you like a freight train.
00:09:38.800 Yes, when you're pregnant, but I would say even more so when they lay that child on your
00:09:44.060 chest and you realize, oh my gosh, I would go through any pain.
00:09:49.900 I would endure any hard thing for this human being that I just met in the flesh.
00:09:57.160 Like I would die a thousand deaths.
00:09:59.440 I would give up absolutely anything and everything just to make this person whole, just to protect
00:10:05.900 this person.
00:10:06.700 Like that is a life-changing, heart-transforming moment in a person's life that makes you better.
00:10:14.780 It just does.
00:10:15.840 It makes you more compassionate.
00:10:17.960 It makes you a harder worker.
00:10:20.700 And that's not to say people without kids can't be very loving and very compassionate and
00:10:25.840 very sacrificial, but it takes more effort.
00:10:28.620 You have to seek out those opportunities if you're a single person, if you're a dink.
00:10:34.340 You don't really have to seek that out as a parent.
00:10:36.300 It is a daily moment by moment dying to self because you are forced to put the needs of
00:10:41.980 someone else above yourself.
00:10:44.440 That's what makes human beings better.
00:10:47.060 Sacrifice makes human beings better.
00:10:49.940 And also, human beings make the world better.
00:10:54.140 Human beings are actually a credit to society, a credit to the world.
00:10:58.300 We are a benefit to the world.
00:11:00.680 We're not just a source of depletion.
00:11:07.340 We're not just stripping the world of resources.
00:11:10.500 We are actually adding goodness and adding blessings to the world when we act in a way
00:11:16.140 that is sacrificial.
00:11:17.060 Like the funny thing is, is that these people are actually living out what they think is
00:11:23.700 the detriment to having children, just consuming, consuming, consuming, stripping resources, doing
00:11:29.480 everything that they want to do, not actually adding anything to society.
00:11:34.920 But humans don't have to be that way.
00:11:37.200 That's not what we were made for.
00:11:39.200 Like human beings can do really difficult things.
00:11:41.960 We can accomplish really incredible feats when we deny our own temporary fleeting wants
00:11:50.120 in favor of what is better for someone else.
00:12:06.000 So I think that there is a lot to say about why we have gotten to this place of glory.
00:12:11.960 Terrifying childlessness, child-free, which I just find like super offensive.
00:12:17.620 But obviously, just like every other denial and rejection of that which is good, it stems
00:12:26.640 from godlessness.
00:12:28.260 It stems from going outside of the biblical order in our biblical mandates.
00:12:35.740 But also, it is this trendy narcissism, which is a phrase that we talk about a lot.
00:12:41.960 In this book, I don't talk that much about my book that came out in 2020 because I've
00:12:47.820 got a new book coming out.
00:12:48.740 So I've been focusing on that.
00:12:49.980 But that's what we talk about in this book, trendy narcissism, this idea that we are constantly
00:12:55.160 told you are enough, you are sufficient, you're perfect the way that you are.
00:12:59.480 The only thing that's important in life is to pursue your happiness, to pursue your dreams.
00:13:03.860 And you can't do anything or succeed or love other people even unless you love yourself
00:13:08.080 first.
00:13:08.640 All of these are lies.
00:13:09.900 We go through the five lies of this trendy narcissism, god of self culture that we're in.
00:13:17.300 And then we do our best or I do my best in this book to dispel those myths with the truth
00:13:23.180 of God's word.
00:13:23.900 But this trendy narcissism culture that says that you are the center of everything and that
00:13:30.520 everything and everyone else has to sacrifice on the altar of the god of self, sacrifice on
00:13:37.840 your altar.
00:13:39.360 The god of self is very cruel.
00:13:41.740 It does give you what you want for a period of time.
00:13:44.920 It does feel good to worship yourself.
00:13:47.100 Remember, when you go back to the Garden of Eden and Satan tempted Eve, Eve saw that the
00:13:54.440 fruit was beautiful, that it looked good, and that it looked like it was going to taste
00:14:01.080 good.
00:14:01.460 And I'm sure that bite did taste really good.
00:14:04.540 And then we saw the consequences thereafter.
00:14:06.920 And that's the same thing Satan does today when he is tempting us into godless or sinful
00:14:11.780 mentalities or sinful or godless actions.
00:14:14.320 Um, he says, he, he shows us the benefit or the temporary satiation, satisfaction that
00:14:20.960 comes from making a sinful choice.
00:14:22.940 And he downplays the consequences.
00:14:25.000 That's what he did in the Garden of Eden.
00:14:26.760 That's what he does today.
00:14:28.520 And the truth is, is that living a life that is completely centered on yourself, self-worship,
00:14:35.260 um, self-love even.
00:14:37.340 I know that's seen as a positive today, but the Bible depicts self-love exclusively as something
00:14:42.420 that is actually a negative, um, a negative driver in our lives, um, that ultimately that
00:14:50.100 is going to leave you unfulfilled.
00:14:52.200 Yes, you can travel the world.
00:14:53.880 You can spend more money.
00:14:55.180 You can do things that are easier.
00:14:57.000 You can play 18 holes of golf.
00:14:58.740 But at the end of the day, um, all of that self-centeredness is just going to leave you
00:15:05.280 empty.
00:15:06.380 Now, not everyone is going to get married.
00:15:08.980 Not everyone is going to have children.
00:15:11.500 God doesn't call everyone to that.
00:15:14.060 And God alone is who satisfies.
00:15:16.600 Like, your satisfaction also is not going to be found in your children.
00:15:20.680 Your identity can't be found as wife and mom.
00:15:24.040 All of these things have to be found in Christ.
00:15:26.460 But again, we are called in every season and stage that we're in to self-sacrifice.
00:15:31.500 This trend of saying my life is so great because I can do everything that I want, that is ultimately
00:15:37.920 leading people into a direction of brokenness and ultimate sadness.
00:15:43.480 Um, I'm just going to encourage you, as I do from time to time, like if you are married
00:15:49.100 and you are, um, you're a Christian in marriage, have children.
00:15:54.160 There are very few reasons, I think biblical reasons, for a married Christian couple not
00:15:58.880 to have kids.
00:16:00.500 Um, whether it's through adoption or whether it's biological kids, I really encourage you
00:16:06.400 to assess your own heart and your own motives for not having kids.
00:16:12.320 Fear is not a reason not to have kids.
00:16:15.560 The idea that, oh, the world is so bad, I don't know what America is going to look like
00:16:20.220 in 20 years and so I don't want to bring kids into that.
00:16:22.720 But Christians have endured a lot worse than what we're enduring today in the United States.
00:16:28.140 I mean, if you think Newsom is bad, just think about Nero.
00:16:31.620 Christians have endured a lot of persecution, a lot of godlessness, a lot of depravity.
00:16:36.360 I'm not saying things are going in a good direction here.
00:16:39.360 I'm saying if there's anything that the world needs, it's courageous Christians.
00:16:43.860 And that is your call as a Christian to raise up little Christians.
00:16:47.820 And so if it's fear, if it's selfishness, you just want to consume, you just want to
00:16:53.900 travel, you just don't want to give up your Saturday mornings, also not a good reason not
00:16:59.360 to have kids.
00:17:00.660 Now, we talked about, and we'll link this past episode, how many kids should a Christian
00:17:06.840 have?
00:17:07.140 Like, when do you stop having kids?
00:17:08.800 And I think there's probably a nuanced discussion to have there based on the truth of God's word.
00:17:13.560 And when should you start having kids?
00:17:15.080 Again, I think that this is probably a discussion to be had.
00:17:18.540 You can go back and listen to that episode.
00:17:20.100 We won't rehash it all here.
00:17:22.460 But again, I think it's important to assess our motivations as Christians who are married.
00:17:28.440 Why aren't you having kids?
00:17:30.940 Is it really a biblical, God-glorifying reason?
00:17:35.540 And are you actually being influenced by this antinatalist movement that tells you it's more
00:17:40.840 sophisticated not to have children or more responsible not to have children?
00:17:45.080 Here's what God's word says about having kids.
00:17:49.340 Psalm 127, 3-4.
00:17:52.440 Behold, children are a heritage from the Lord.
00:17:55.420 A heritage from the Lord.
00:17:57.780 The fruit of the womb, a reward.
00:18:00.840 Like arrows in the hand of a warrior are the children of one's youth.
00:18:05.680 That is God's perspective on having kids.
00:18:08.120 In fact, everywhere you look in scripture, having children is seen as a blessing.
00:18:14.700 Not being able to have children is seen as a tragedy, is seen as a negative.
00:18:21.660 Never do we see this idea in scripture of children being a burden to discard or to avoid.
00:18:29.860 Everywhere in scripture, we see children as a blessing.
00:18:33.680 And we are called as Christians to align, to conform our minds about everything to what God's word says.
00:18:42.960 And so, of course, the world is going to get it wrong.
00:18:45.320 Of course, the world is going to say, no, my reward is not having kids.
00:18:49.060 My reward comes from being able to, I don't know, eat out whenever I want to.
00:18:54.140 How silly and fleeting is that?
00:18:55.800 Of course, the world is going to take the easy way out.
00:18:58.340 That's not what Christians are called to.
00:18:59.960 Christians, as we say, we have always been a refuge.
00:19:05.080 The church has always been a refuge for the orphan, for the child, for the baby in the womb, for the vulnerable, for the marginalized.
00:19:12.120 We're really in so many ways just going back to pagan Greece and Rome.
00:19:16.700 When they also did not see children as beneficial, only insofar as they could grow up to be a learned and educated man.
00:19:27.200 But women, slaves, the elderly, the sick, the poor, they were all on the margins of society and really just seen as objects to be used and abused how the adult free male saw fit.
00:19:39.840 Christianity completely changed that.
00:19:42.760 Founded hospitals, orphanages, all kinds of organizations that cared for those on the outskirts of society.
00:19:51.840 And we still have to be that today.
00:19:54.000 And part of that is encouraging the creation and the care of children.
00:19:58.360 Okay, so just because we are in favor of Christian couples, of married couples, having kids and raising them up in the Lord,
00:20:21.640 doesn't mean that we are okay with every method of conception, with every method of bringing children to life.
00:20:30.960 So some people say if you're pro-baby or you're pro-life, then you need to be okay with every form of reproductive technology that allows a couple to have children.
00:20:41.020 And that's not true.
00:20:42.420 We care about life from conception onward.
00:20:45.000 So, of course, we have something to say, something to think about, and things to consider when it comes to the ethics of things like IVF and certainly surrogacy and egg selling and sperm selling.
00:20:55.360 We've talked about that several times.
00:20:57.260 I love seeing more and more conservatives and commentators and Christians talking about this and thinking about this.
00:21:04.340 I don't say that as someone who thinks that I was the first person to talk about this.
00:21:08.560 We were definitely one of the first conservative podcasts to talk about this subject.
00:21:13.800 Absolutely.
00:21:14.460 I think we talked about it for the first time in 2019.
00:21:17.680 But really, I and I and I always want to make sure that I give them credit because the people who really had me thinking about it for the first time, Katie Faust and Jennifer Law, there are other people too.
00:21:30.240 But I had them on my podcast, I think, for the first time, 2020, 2021, and they expanded my concern and my knowledge about these subjects.
00:21:40.680 And so we'll link some of those past episodes in the description of this episode.
00:21:45.980 But now I see a lot more people, a lot more conservatives talking about this, and I'm very, very thankful for it.
00:21:52.560 Some people don't understand.
00:21:53.960 Some people on the right think it's crazy that we care about surrogacy and IVF and all of that.
00:21:58.720 And it's really just because most of them, they haven't thought about it.
00:22:02.860 They have not heard our arguments.
00:22:04.440 They don't understand our arguments.
00:22:06.400 They refuse to understand our arguments because it's unpopular to talk about these things.
00:22:11.160 I get that.
00:22:11.960 It's uncomfortable to talk about these things.
00:22:13.980 I get plenty of conservatives really mad at me when I do talk about them.
00:22:17.620 And yet, because we care about the voiceless and the vulnerable and the embryo, we have to care about the ethics of reproduction.
00:22:26.560 And let me give you an example of the corruption in the reproductive industry.
00:22:34.540 This is a money-making industry.
00:22:36.620 I'm not impugning all of the motives of all of the people that have used the services provided by the reproductive industry.
00:22:45.640 But I do just want to give you an example of what is going on when it comes to egg, what's called egg donation, because it's illegal to donate your, or it's illegal to sell human tissue.
00:23:02.100 It's illegal to, like, sell a part of your body.
00:23:05.220 And so they call it egg donation or sperm donation.
00:23:08.340 And technically, you're paying for the time and the effort and the procedure that that person has to go through to give their eggs or sperm.
00:23:17.320 But, I mean, you're really selling.
00:23:19.840 You're selling your eggs and you're selling your sperm.
00:23:22.540 It's just kind of a way to circumvent any legal problems by saying egg donation and sperm donation.
00:23:31.560 Anyway, so here's what's going on.
00:23:35.660 And this is not rare.
00:23:36.960 This might seem like an extreme case.
00:23:39.160 But here is how the egg donation process and the surrogacy process is being used by these two men.
00:23:49.100 I wanted them to be super fit.
00:23:51.320 You go to the bar and you go, I'm going to procreate that person, right?
00:23:54.660 That's your choice as a human.
00:23:56.460 I wanted to find someone that I know is going to be absolute smoke show.
00:23:59.760 Basically, we chose Emily Bratnowski.
00:24:01.680 So there's a company in LA and they have a company that basically is supermodels who are Ivy League educated.
00:24:08.340 So they have to have gone to, like, Brown, Columbia.
00:24:10.480 Oh, I went to Columbia.
00:24:12.320 That feels a bit strange, is it not?
00:24:14.240 Or no?
00:24:14.800 It's a bit prostitute-y, isn't it?
00:24:16.400 I think it's quite fabulous.
00:24:17.600 But the eggs were terribly expensive.
00:24:18.780 But we got a Brazilian supermodel.
00:24:21.560 Okay, so these gay men, they picked out of the catalog the mother of their child.
00:24:27.160 That's what they're doing.
00:24:28.080 They looked at a catalog and they said, who's the hottest woman?
00:24:30.740 Who is the most learned woman?
00:24:33.020 Unfortunately, they don't realize that if you're choosing a woman that went to an Ivy League school,
00:24:38.000 you are choosing someone who has significant brain worms,
00:24:41.860 who's been implanted with all kinds of very stupid ideas.
00:24:46.340 Hopefully, that doesn't pass down to the child.
00:24:49.000 But that's what happens when you go to these Ivy League institutions.
00:24:53.900 But they, of course, think that that makes this woman very smart and very sophisticated.
00:24:58.000 So hot, smart woman picked this woman out of the catalog.
00:25:01.060 They're going to buy her eggs.
00:25:02.420 And this woman, by the way, she has to stimulate her eggs.
00:25:06.880 She has to go through the IVF process.
00:25:08.880 There are a lot of health implications that come along with that.
00:25:11.580 But hey, she's getting paid a lot of money.
00:25:14.400 People always talk about like egg donors and surrogates as these selfless, altruistic people.
00:25:22.300 Look, they're getting paid tens of thousands of dollars to do this.
00:25:25.040 They're doing it because it pays.
00:25:27.240 So they're selling their body.
00:25:28.980 They're selling their body for money.
00:25:30.900 And you heard that that person, that that guy, he's got a little instinct because he's made in the image of God.
00:25:36.860 And so there's still something deep down in there that tells him,
00:25:40.140 ooh, morally, this feels sticky.
00:25:42.080 This feels wrong.
00:25:43.040 He says, that's a bit prostitute-y, isn't it?
00:25:45.520 Yeah, it is.
00:25:46.620 These women, both the egg seller and the surrogate,
00:25:48.860 are selling their body for money at the expense of the child who is being created.
00:25:55.040 Whose mom was picked out of the catalog,
00:25:56.740 who will never have any connection to him and yet holds half of his DNA.
00:26:01.580 So her genetics, her history, the history of her family, her parents, her grandparents,
00:26:10.480 not just talking about like the interesting aspects of her ancestry
00:26:15.620 and the history of her family and what they have accomplished,
00:26:21.640 their triumphs, their trials, and all of that.
00:26:23.840 That's going to be a part of this little human's genetic history,
00:26:28.620 but also like her medical history, her health history, her parents' health history.
00:26:33.980 You know, they ask those things when you go to the doctor.
00:26:36.940 Parents, grandparents, like what did they die from?
00:26:40.020 And this little child is not going to know those things
00:26:43.960 because his dad, these two men, picked his mom out of the catalog
00:26:50.420 and he is never going to have any connection to his mother.
00:26:55.700 And by the way, there is going to be an innate longing for a mom.
00:27:00.640 Even like if we put to the side that the fact that half of his DNA and medical history
00:27:06.360 and all of that is going to be an absolute mystery to him,
00:27:09.840 he's going to long for a mother.
00:27:11.400 And in this case, where two dads have decided on his behalf
00:27:14.780 that he doesn't get to have a mom,
00:27:17.360 he is going to naturally, instinctively, as all babies do,
00:27:21.920 long for his mom and long at least for a mom,
00:27:26.200 for a woman to feel that comfort.
00:27:29.000 And he is going to have instinctively bonded with the woman
00:27:32.740 who carried him for the nine months of his gestation.
00:27:37.100 He is going to know her heartbeat, her smell, her sound, her voice,
00:27:41.880 the feeling of her body.
00:27:43.520 And immediately at the point of birth,
00:27:45.740 he will be ripped from her arms and put into the arms of strangers,
00:27:50.100 two men, and completely robbed of the opportunity
00:27:53.340 to ever have the love of not only his gestational carrier,
00:27:57.160 his surrogate, but also his biological mom
00:28:00.140 that is worse treatment than we give to puppies,
00:28:03.420 whom we insist stay with their dog mom
00:28:06.820 for the first 8 to 12 weeks of their life.
00:28:08.920 But for human babies who are carried by a surrogate,
00:28:12.900 we're saying, no, you don't get that.
00:28:15.820 You don't get that.
00:28:17.220 And all for what?
00:28:18.180 Because they want a child that is physically attractive
00:28:21.340 and inherits the brain of some Ivy League student.
00:28:27.020 This is sick.
00:28:28.600 This is sick.
00:28:29.400 And if you don't see that conservative out there,
00:28:32.360 oh, moderate conservative out there,
00:28:34.140 who's just going to applaud when two men
00:28:36.200 buy the bodies of two women
00:28:39.760 and commodify a child in the process,
00:28:42.540 ripping that child away from the woman and the mother,
00:28:47.340 then it's you who is radical.
00:28:50.660 It's you who has been swept up
00:28:52.600 in this progressive moral sexual revolution
00:28:55.440 that has taken the country by storm
00:28:57.380 for the past 20 years.
00:28:58.900 You look at people like me
00:29:00.240 and you think I'm extreme.
00:29:01.980 You think I'm the radical person.
00:29:03.780 I'm the hateful person.
00:29:05.740 No, you are the one that has become
00:29:07.720 completely brainwashed and completely deluded
00:29:10.880 into forgetting what most people knew
00:29:13.900 just 10 years ago,
00:29:15.280 even 10 years ago, okay?
00:29:17.560 Just a decade ago,
00:29:18.680 most people would have looked at something like this
00:29:20.660 and said, that's dystopian and hellish
00:29:24.600 and absolutely we should oppose it.
00:29:27.320 And the law should have something to say about it.
00:29:31.000 But you have become so radicalized.
00:29:33.720 You have become so extreme
00:29:35.240 that you have forgotten what was common sense
00:29:37.760 just a few years ago.
00:29:38.960 Not me.
00:29:40.500 I'm the common sense one here.
00:29:42.120 We are the common sense ones here, okay?
00:29:44.320 And if you think that I need to compromise
00:29:46.800 on this fundamental moral issue
00:29:48.780 in order for Republicans to win more elections,
00:29:52.960 for what?
00:29:54.380 For what?
00:29:55.760 Like, if we're going to compromise on this,
00:29:57.920 like the most fundamental
00:29:59.060 and honestly easiest of moral issues,
00:30:03.240 then we might as well just compromise
00:30:04.600 on everything else.
00:30:06.460 Like, just a reminder
00:30:08.000 that the idea that two men
00:30:11.980 or two dads, so-called,
00:30:14.980 scare quotes there,
00:30:16.660 can replace a mom
00:30:18.660 or that two moms
00:30:20.980 can replace a dad
00:30:23.040 is just as illogical
00:30:25.820 and as absurd as saying
00:30:28.480 that trans women are women.
00:30:31.100 It is the identical,
00:30:33.280 it is the same,
00:30:34.920 the identical illogic
00:30:36.760 behind both of those.
00:30:39.440 Behind both of those ideas
00:30:41.400 is the illogical,
00:30:44.940 illogical thinking
00:30:47.740 that men and women are arbitrary,
00:30:50.660 that we are interchangeable,
00:30:52.440 that our biology tells us nothing
00:30:54.500 about how a family should be formed
00:30:56.360 or how we should function
00:30:58.000 or how society should work.
00:31:01.060 I know there are some people
00:31:02.460 on the conservative side
00:31:03.320 that say,
00:31:03.660 well, I'm against the trans stuff,
00:31:05.280 but I'm for, you know,
00:31:07.760 the redefinition of marriage.
00:31:09.280 I don't care about the LGB.
00:31:11.060 It's just the T stuff
00:31:12.360 that I think is crazy.
00:31:13.720 It's the same logic.
00:31:16.320 The same logic
00:31:17.360 is that our biology tells us nothing
00:31:19.120 about how we should function,
00:31:21.440 that our bodies don't have a telos,
00:31:23.200 that they don't have a purpose,
00:31:25.180 that we are all just widgets
00:31:26.620 that can be interchanged
00:31:29.260 without any consequence
00:31:30.560 to society,
00:31:32.080 without any consequence
00:31:32.960 for our body,
00:31:33.580 without any consequence
00:31:34.360 for children.
00:31:36.260 And it's just not true.
00:31:37.760 Men and women are different.
00:31:38.900 Moms and dads are different
00:31:40.340 and equally necessary.
00:31:42.820 Now, does that mean
00:31:43.460 these children aren't valuable?
00:31:45.260 Does that mean that
00:31:46.140 even these two men
00:31:47.940 or two women
00:31:48.820 don't love their children?
00:31:50.020 I'm not saying that.
00:31:51.600 Of course these children
00:31:52.600 are made in the image of God.
00:31:54.500 And they have all the dignity
00:31:55.740 and worth of any other child.
00:31:57.340 Of course,
00:31:57.800 I believe in
00:31:58.420 the scenarios that I know,
00:32:02.120 at least,
00:32:02.520 that these two men
00:32:03.320 or two women
00:32:03.900 that are creating children
00:32:04.840 in this way,
00:32:05.380 that they do love their child.
00:32:07.520 But it is still egregious
00:32:09.580 and wrong
00:32:10.260 to purposely rob a child
00:32:13.080 of the opportunity
00:32:14.520 to have a mom or a dad.
00:32:16.000 The purposeful creation
00:32:17.380 of a motherless
00:32:18.700 or fatherless child
00:32:20.180 is wicked.
00:32:21.600 It is.
00:32:22.080 Like,
00:32:22.280 we already have all of the stats
00:32:23.860 on fatherlessness,
00:32:26.120 the increase
00:32:27.240 in delinquency
00:32:28.320 for the child,
00:32:29.380 the higher likelihood
00:32:30.620 of depression,
00:32:31.840 of eating disorders,
00:32:32.980 of teen pregnancy,
00:32:34.180 of poverty.
00:32:35.420 Like,
00:32:35.700 we already know
00:32:36.420 the psychological,
00:32:37.420 financial impact
00:32:38.580 that fatherlessness
00:32:39.920 can have on children.
00:32:41.780 Not always,
00:32:42.800 but statistically,
00:32:43.880 that's what we have.
00:32:45.020 So we already know that.
00:32:46.220 So creating purposefully
00:32:47.880 fatherless children,
00:32:50.160 we already know
00:32:51.160 that that has intense consequences
00:32:52.780 for the children.
00:32:53.920 And yet we're saying,
00:32:54.720 oh,
00:32:54.940 it doesn't matter
00:32:55.580 because these women
00:32:57.240 just want a child.
00:32:58.340 So their wants go above
00:32:59.660 the child's need
00:33:00.400 from the get-go.
00:33:01.440 And that we don't have
00:33:02.500 as much data
00:33:03.240 on what motherless children,
00:33:06.340 what they suffer.
00:33:08.180 And that is simply
00:33:09.040 because that's a historical anomaly.
00:33:11.800 Motherlessness
00:33:12.280 is not nearly
00:33:13.940 as likely
00:33:16.700 or as common
00:33:17.780 of a problem
00:33:18.480 as fatherlessness
00:33:19.180 because it is just,
00:33:21.460 it just doesn't happen
00:33:22.860 as much.
00:33:23.440 Mothers don't flee
00:33:24.320 from their children
00:33:25.080 as often
00:33:26.000 as fathers tend
00:33:27.420 to flee
00:33:27.720 from their families
00:33:28.520 throughout history.
00:33:29.500 There's even
00:33:30.180 a biological component
00:33:31.460 to why that is.
00:33:32.980 So we don't have
00:33:33.580 as much data
00:33:34.860 on that.
00:33:35.920 But I think
00:33:36.880 it's obvious
00:33:37.600 what's going to happen
00:33:39.220 is that we have
00:33:40.160 an intense longing
00:33:41.040 for both a mother
00:33:42.260 and a father.
00:33:43.040 And people
00:33:43.400 who are honest,
00:33:45.080 kids who are honest,
00:33:46.400 who have been raised
00:33:48.100 without a mother
00:33:48.960 or a father
00:33:49.920 will tell you that.
00:33:51.120 We can link
00:33:51.640 to the episode
00:33:52.220 that we did
00:33:52.680 with Ross Johnston.
00:33:53.980 He was created
00:33:54.800 from a sperm donor
00:33:56.780 and was raised
00:33:58.240 by lesbian women.
00:34:01.300 And he will tell you
00:34:02.740 the longing
00:34:03.440 that he had
00:34:04.520 for a father
00:34:05.400 growing up
00:34:05.900 because God
00:34:06.360 made us that way.
00:34:07.860 He made us that way.
00:34:09.340 And it's a beautiful creation.
00:34:10.860 It's a beautiful dynamic.
00:34:12.920 The biological
00:34:13.840 complementarianism
00:34:15.080 between men and women
00:34:16.540 is so purposeful
00:34:17.600 and so intricate
00:34:18.520 and so beautiful
00:34:19.400 that it could create
00:34:20.560 new life.
00:34:21.480 Of course,
00:34:22.540 of course,
00:34:23.340 that's how God
00:34:24.040 intended it.
00:34:24.660 And of course,
00:34:25.500 we flourish
00:34:26.560 in that
00:34:28.900 stable environment
00:34:32.300 the best.
00:34:33.460 Does that mean
00:34:33.960 all heterosexual
00:34:34.960 parents are perfect?
00:34:36.720 No,
00:34:37.200 I'm not saying that.
00:34:38.360 Come on.
00:34:39.280 I think
00:34:39.700 we're reasonable
00:34:40.640 enough to understand
00:34:41.740 that there is
00:34:42.580 a rule here.
00:34:43.440 And, you know,
00:34:46.500 the family diversity
00:34:47.460 theory,
00:34:48.160 I see it all the time.
00:34:49.320 We had Brad Wilcox on.
00:34:50.620 He's been studying
00:34:51.280 this at UVA,
00:34:52.960 teaching this
00:34:53.800 for decades
00:34:54.620 at this point.
00:34:55.760 The family diversity
00:34:56.800 theory that,
00:34:57.940 oh, kids just need
00:34:58.880 loving parents.
00:35:00.000 Whether it's in some
00:35:00.880 kind of polycule
00:35:01.960 situation,
00:35:02.900 whether it's two men
00:35:03.600 or two women,
00:35:04.480 it doesn't matter
00:35:05.260 as long as they're loved.
00:35:06.780 It's not true.
00:35:08.060 It's actually not true.
00:35:09.580 This family diversity
00:35:11.440 theory is completely bunk.
00:35:13.440 There's no science
00:35:14.620 behind it.
00:35:15.140 There's no data
00:35:15.780 behind it whatsoever.
00:35:16.800 Kids don't just need
00:35:17.780 loving adults.
00:35:19.140 They need a mom
00:35:20.020 and a dad.
00:35:20.440 Ideally,
00:35:21.020 their mom and dad.
00:35:22.840 And I'll tell you
00:35:25.160 about the,
00:35:27.020 or I'll answer
00:35:27.780 the question
00:35:28.340 that I get a lot.
00:35:29.160 Well,
00:35:29.420 how is this different
00:35:30.380 than adoption then?
00:35:31.720 Because you get
00:35:32.440 a lot of these problems
00:35:33.580 with adoption
00:35:34.760 in that they are
00:35:36.340 also disconnected
00:35:37.200 from their medical history.
00:35:38.920 They are also
00:35:39.540 disconnected
00:35:40.260 from their biological parents.
00:35:42.680 And they also
00:35:44.040 are taken away
00:35:45.460 from their mother
00:35:46.200 right after birth.
00:35:47.420 So,
00:35:47.860 what is the moral difference?
00:36:01.360 Okay,
00:36:01.960 so what is the difference?
00:36:03.400 What's the difference
00:36:04.120 between surrogacy
00:36:06.200 and all the problems
00:36:06.800 I just explained
00:36:07.500 and adoption?
00:36:08.560 Now,
00:36:08.680 I've answered this before
00:36:09.740 and I answer this a lot.
00:36:11.520 And it is a totally
00:36:12.680 illogical and fair question,
00:36:14.600 but I do think
00:36:15.780 that most people
00:36:17.240 could figure out
00:36:18.360 the answer to it
00:36:19.400 if they just thought
00:36:20.580 about it for a second.
00:36:22.660 This is how I kind of
00:36:24.000 distill it.
00:36:25.100 I say that adoption
00:36:27.100 redeems a broken situation
00:36:28.820 and surrogacy creates one.
00:36:31.440 And you could put in there
00:36:33.420 a sperm donation
00:36:34.420 and egg donation too.
00:36:36.480 So,
00:36:36.760 adoption redeems
00:36:37.600 a broken situation
00:36:38.680 and surrogacy creates one.
00:36:41.240 Now,
00:36:41.740 again,
00:36:42.340 on the internet,
00:36:43.780 you can't have
00:36:44.880 anyone say anything
00:36:46.400 without someone
00:36:47.100 coming along
00:36:47.780 and saying,
00:36:48.420 well,
00:36:48.700 there's an exception
00:36:49.620 to that.
00:36:50.300 Here's this horrific
00:36:51.360 adoption situation
00:36:53.040 that I know about
00:36:54.180 that completely
00:36:55.000 disproves your rule.
00:36:55.920 It doesn't disprove the rule.
00:36:56.980 There are exceptions
00:36:58.240 to every rule.
00:36:58.860 I'm not saying
00:36:59.800 that all adoption processes
00:37:01.900 are above board.
00:37:03.560 Actually,
00:37:03.900 that's something
00:37:04.440 I've been thinking about
00:37:05.560 and reading about
00:37:06.240 a lot lately
00:37:06.860 is that our adoption system
00:37:08.260 and as we talked about yesterday,
00:37:09.400 our foster care system
00:37:10.340 has some really significant
00:37:12.000 problems in it.
00:37:12.840 And we will talk about that
00:37:13.900 more in the new year.
00:37:14.780 I've got some plans
00:37:15.660 to take a deep dive into that.
00:37:17.060 But,
00:37:17.580 in general,
00:37:19.720 the concept of adoption
00:37:21.960 is biblical.
00:37:23.460 Obviously,
00:37:23.980 if you look at the fact
00:37:24.700 that Gentiles
00:37:25.480 have been adopted
00:37:26.420 by God
00:37:27.440 through Jesus Christ,
00:37:29.060 we are adoptees.
00:37:30.460 And so,
00:37:31.020 we see the beauty
00:37:32.160 in that
00:37:32.560 in a spiritual gospel sense.
00:37:34.260 But also,
00:37:34.880 Christians are called
00:37:35.640 to care for the orphan.
00:37:36.980 Again,
00:37:37.260 as we talked about yesterday,
00:37:39.080 that is the pure religion
00:37:40.300 to which Christians
00:37:41.440 through the power
00:37:42.060 of the Holy Spirit
00:37:42.900 are called to.
00:37:44.700 And adoption
00:37:45.560 and fostering,
00:37:46.740 Christians are far more likely
00:37:48.280 than the general population
00:37:49.560 to do that.
00:37:50.340 And we should.
00:37:51.120 That is what we are called to.
00:37:52.680 In one way or another,
00:37:53.780 we are to care for orphans
00:37:55.420 and to care for the fatherless.
00:37:59.360 And so,
00:37:59.620 adoption is a beautiful thing.
00:38:01.240 You are redeeming
00:38:03.220 a broken situation
00:38:04.260 in that that child
00:38:05.560 has already been created.
00:38:07.680 The life is already there
00:38:09.280 inside the womb.
00:38:11.740 And so,
00:38:13.160 that child who
00:38:14.800 can't be cared for properly
00:38:17.420 by their parents
00:38:19.160 for whatever reason,
00:38:20.820 whatever situation
00:38:21.680 their parents are in,
00:38:22.640 they feel like they cannot
00:38:23.560 care for that child.
00:38:25.320 Then a loving couple
00:38:26.460 comes along and says,
00:38:27.600 we will adopt that child
00:38:29.060 that has already been created
00:38:30.700 and we will give them a life.
00:38:32.420 Now,
00:38:33.220 here's the truth.
00:38:34.460 Is that,
00:38:35.020 that is a beautiful redemption.
00:38:36.820 That is a beautiful situation.
00:38:38.880 But that is still
00:38:39.860 the next best thing
00:38:41.320 for the child.
00:38:42.520 Like,
00:38:42.880 we can all acknowledge that.
00:38:44.100 Adoptive parents
00:38:44.860 can acknowledge that.
00:38:46.160 The first best thing
00:38:48.100 for the child
00:38:48.960 would have been
00:38:50.420 for their biological
00:38:52.520 mother and father
00:38:54.060 to be married
00:38:55.100 and to take care
00:38:56.480 and to take care
00:38:56.500 of them together.
00:38:57.740 Even if those biological parents
00:39:00.020 are poorer
00:39:00.680 than the adoptive parents,
00:39:02.180 even if they're less educated
00:39:03.320 than the adoptive parents,
00:39:05.320 statistics show
00:39:06.360 that it still would be better
00:39:07.940 for that child
00:39:08.860 to be raised
00:39:09.820 by their loving,
00:39:12.140 married mother
00:39:13.660 and father
00:39:14.580 than it would be
00:39:16.140 for them to be adopted,
00:39:17.820 say,
00:39:18.320 by wealthy,
00:39:21.420 well-to-do parents
00:39:23.600 that are not biologically
00:39:24.920 related to them.
00:39:27.760 And so,
00:39:28.500 there is something
00:39:29.200 called the primal wound
00:39:31.020 that happens
00:39:31.920 in all adoption situations.
00:39:34.380 That even though
00:39:35.040 it is beautiful
00:39:35.800 and it is redemptive
00:39:37.240 that that child
00:39:37.940 is being adopted
00:39:38.960 by parents
00:39:39.660 who can care for them,
00:39:41.520 there is still a wound
00:39:42.400 that happens there
00:39:43.380 because there is
00:39:44.540 a separation
00:39:45.280 from their biology,
00:39:47.680 from their history,
00:39:48.800 from part of their identity,
00:39:50.880 their DNA.
00:39:51.960 Biological parents
00:39:53.200 play a huge part
00:39:54.520 in telling us
00:39:55.340 who we are.
00:39:56.800 Now,
00:39:57.140 sometimes that wound
00:39:58.240 is felt
00:39:59.020 very acutely
00:40:00.540 as that child grows up.
00:40:02.700 They long to know
00:40:03.780 their mother and father.
00:40:05.080 I've heard from some of you
00:40:06.080 who are adoptees
00:40:06.980 and you say
00:40:07.380 you never really
00:40:08.500 had that longing,
00:40:09.260 like you were totally satisfied
00:40:10.640 with your adopted parents
00:40:12.360 and you didn't have
00:40:13.000 a whole lot of curiosity.
00:40:14.300 I would say
00:40:14.760 that's more the outlier.
00:40:16.740 We just have this instinct.
00:40:18.540 We want to know
00:40:19.060 who we are.
00:40:19.840 We want to know
00:40:20.420 about our history.
00:40:21.260 We want to know
00:40:21.840 about our DNA.
00:40:23.520 And so,
00:40:24.660 adoption,
00:40:25.380 even though it's beautiful
00:40:26.220 and redemptive,
00:40:27.400 there is a separation there.
00:40:29.160 There is a wound there
00:40:30.700 because you are moving
00:40:33.120 from the ideal
00:40:34.500 to the next best thing.
00:40:37.300 And,
00:40:37.880 again,
00:40:39.160 I hope that doesn't sound
00:40:40.160 like I'm knocking adoption
00:40:41.420 at all.
00:40:42.500 I'm absolutely not.
00:40:44.240 Again,
00:40:44.940 what a God-glorifying
00:40:46.380 institution and practice.
00:40:48.360 Um,
00:40:49.800 however,
00:40:50.640 it is not
00:40:51.760 the first best thing,
00:40:54.080 but sometimes
00:40:54.480 the first best thing
00:40:55.540 because we live
00:40:56.260 in a broken
00:40:56.680 and fallen world
00:40:58.020 is just not possible.
00:40:59.680 But the best thing
00:41:00.940 for a child
00:41:01.620 is to live
00:41:02.420 with their married
00:41:03.260 father and mother
00:41:04.880 in a stable home.
00:41:06.640 Not a perfect home,
00:41:08.260 but a stable home.
00:41:10.400 Um,
00:41:10.860 so,
00:41:11.500 that's adoption.
00:41:12.900 Surrogacy
00:41:13.420 creates the broken situation.
00:41:15.320 So,
00:41:16.320 this also seems to be,
00:41:17.580 like,
00:41:17.820 I don't understand this,
00:41:19.000 like,
00:41:19.200 a weird misunderstanding
00:41:20.640 among the critics
00:41:22.880 of those of us
00:41:24.260 who criticize
00:41:24.880 or who talk about
00:41:27.140 the concerns
00:41:27.760 with surrogacy
00:41:28.460 and IVF.
00:41:29.540 Um,
00:41:30.060 like,
00:41:30.340 they don't understand
00:41:31.640 the difference
00:41:32.280 between conception
00:41:33.100 and birth.
00:41:34.260 Just because we want
00:41:35.220 all babies
00:41:35.720 who have been conceived
00:41:36.820 to be born
00:41:37.520 doesn't mean
00:41:38.160 that we think
00:41:39.760 that all babies
00:41:41.320 should be conceived.
00:41:42.560 Right?
00:41:43.140 Like,
00:41:43.340 we don't believe
00:41:44.240 that,
00:41:45.180 uh,
00:41:45.800 like,
00:41:46.300 anything goes
00:41:47.240 when it comes
00:41:48.240 to conception
00:41:49.180 just because we believe
00:41:50.500 that all babies
00:41:51.140 who have been conceived
00:41:52.240 shouldn't be killed.
00:41:53.320 Like,
00:41:53.720 it's just so silly
00:41:54.480 to me
00:41:55.100 that people are
00:41:55.740 confused about that.
00:41:57.280 Um,
00:41:58.140 but you are
00:41:59.280 conceiving,
00:42:00.660 you are creating
00:42:01.640 a child
00:42:02.680 with the purpose
00:42:04.160 of creating
00:42:05.640 that wound.
00:42:06.620 Right?
00:42:07.300 Like,
00:42:07.840 someone who gets
00:42:08.640 pregnant,
00:42:09.380 probably,
00:42:10.040 and then ends up
00:42:10.620 putting their child
00:42:11.220 up for adoption,
00:42:11.960 didn't conceive
00:42:13.780 that child
00:42:14.240 on purpose
00:42:15.260 with the purpose
00:42:16.480 of putting them
00:42:17.600 up for adoption,
00:42:18.540 right?
00:42:18.880 In most of these
00:42:19.940 scenarios.
00:42:21.240 But,
00:42:21.780 when you are
00:42:22.800 creating a child
00:42:24.180 with the intention
00:42:25.960 of placing them
00:42:27.240 on ice
00:42:27.920 or discarding
00:42:29.980 the embryos
00:42:31.160 or donating
00:42:32.460 the embryos
00:42:34.040 um,
00:42:35.640 or selling
00:42:36.740 your eggs,
00:42:38.060 uh,
00:42:38.860 you are creating
00:42:40.240 that wound.
00:42:41.740 You are
00:42:42.000 purposely,
00:42:43.160 intentionally
00:42:43.700 creating that
00:42:45.000 separation.
00:42:46.440 You are
00:42:47.040 purposely
00:42:47.620 taking it
00:42:48.440 outside of
00:42:49.180 the natural
00:42:49.660 order and
00:42:50.320 you are
00:42:50.560 placing a
00:42:51.440 burden
00:42:52.040 on that
00:42:52.740 child at
00:42:53.480 their earliest
00:42:54.080 stages of
00:42:54.700 development
00:42:55.260 in service
00:42:55.960 of what
00:42:56.660 you want.
00:42:59.260 Whether it
00:43:00.180 is in the
00:43:00.640 case of
00:43:01.960 like a
00:43:02.940 man and a
00:43:03.580 woman using
00:43:04.120 a surrogate
00:43:05.080 or whether
00:43:06.040 it's in the
00:43:06.480 case of two
00:43:07.040 men or two
00:43:07.460 women.
00:43:08.080 Obviously,
00:43:08.660 again,
00:43:08.820 the consequences
00:43:09.380 are greater
00:43:09.900 for two
00:43:10.320 men or two
00:43:10.660 women because
00:43:11.080 you are also
00:43:11.520 robbing them
00:43:12.180 of a mother
00:43:13.100 or father.
00:43:14.080 So that's the
00:43:14.560 difference.
00:43:15.500 Redeeming a
00:43:16.040 broken situation
00:43:16.760 creating a
00:43:17.920 broken situation.
00:43:18.880 Adoption seeks
00:43:19.500 to alleviate
00:43:20.240 the burden
00:43:21.600 created by
00:43:22.200 brokenness on
00:43:22.960 that child.
00:43:24.060 And surrogacy,
00:43:25.000 egg selling,
00:43:26.040 sperm selling
00:43:26.820 seeks to place
00:43:28.080 that burden
00:43:28.600 on the child.
00:43:30.460 Um, and so
00:43:30.680 that's the
00:43:31.040 difference.
00:43:31.600 Adults are
00:43:31.980 called to
00:43:32.260 sacrifice for
00:43:32.880 children,
00:43:33.400 not the other
00:43:33.820 way around.
00:43:35.320 Um, so I
00:43:36.140 hope, I hope
00:43:36.640 that answers
00:43:37.200 it.
00:43:38.020 Uh, all
00:43:38.720 right, we
00:43:39.180 got a couple
00:43:39.580 more, a couple
00:43:40.400 more things to
00:43:41.180 talk about.
00:43:42.320 Um, okay, I
00:43:43.220 told, I told
00:43:43.940 Bree yesterday, I
00:43:45.640 said I don't
00:43:45.980 want to talk
00:43:46.360 about anything
00:43:47.340 to do with
00:43:48.760 trans, uh,
00:43:50.820 tomorrow because
00:43:51.740 it's too much.
00:43:53.040 It's not, like,
00:43:53.800 we just have to
00:43:54.920 talk about it so
00:43:55.560 much because it's
00:43:56.340 everywhere all of
00:43:57.260 the time and,
00:43:58.080 like, the battle
00:43:58.660 is heating up so
00:43:59.620 much because I
00:44:00.660 think that the
00:44:01.940 pro-reality side
00:44:03.340 is winning, um,
00:44:04.940 in a lot of
00:44:05.700 ways that, like,
00:44:06.980 you don't think
00:44:07.560 that the
00:44:07.840 apparatus, like,
00:44:09.180 the gender
00:44:09.640 confusion apparatus
00:44:10.640 is going to go
00:44:11.560 down without a
00:44:12.280 fight, right?
00:44:12.980 Like, there's
00:44:13.620 billions of
00:44:14.120 dollars behind
00:44:14.780 this.
00:44:15.100 There's power.
00:44:16.400 And there's,
00:44:17.400 like, people's
00:44:18.500 sexual fetishes,
00:44:19.900 like, in the
00:44:20.980 midst of this that
00:44:21.860 people are going
00:44:22.560 to hold on to
00:44:23.660 for dear life.
00:44:24.940 And so it's
00:44:25.760 not going to
00:44:26.600 fall without a
00:44:27.220 fight, plus
00:44:27.560 Satan is behind
00:44:28.340 it.
00:44:28.640 And, you know,
00:44:29.320 Satan is the
00:44:29.800 prince of the
00:44:30.140 power of the
00:44:30.580 air, as
00:44:31.300 Ephesians 2
00:44:32.100 says.
00:44:32.820 This is, like,
00:44:33.780 I mean, this
00:44:34.820 is his
00:44:35.760 masterpiece, the
00:44:36.840 confusion of the
00:44:37.900 genders.
00:44:38.420 And so he is
00:44:39.300 going to, like,
00:44:40.060 he's going to
00:44:40.520 push for this
00:44:41.220 really, really
00:44:42.160 hard.
00:44:42.740 So we do have
00:44:43.380 to talk about
00:44:43.920 it a lot.
00:44:44.560 We're not going
00:44:44.940 to talk about
00:44:45.240 it that much,
00:44:45.600 okay?
00:44:45.980 We're not going
00:44:46.400 to talk about
00:44:46.720 it that much.
00:44:47.260 I just want
00:44:47.900 to play you.
00:44:48.940 I just want
00:44:49.640 to play you
00:44:49.960 this clip.
00:44:50.480 Bree, could
00:44:50.860 you tell us,
00:44:51.940 before we play
00:44:52.700 the clip and
00:44:53.320 react to it,
00:44:54.020 can you tell
00:44:54.400 us a little
00:44:54.860 bit of context
00:44:56.020 behind the clip
00:44:58.320 that we're about
00:44:58.960 to listen to?
00:45:00.580 Yeah, so this
00:45:01.200 was, this was
00:45:02.040 yesterday, actually.
00:45:03.180 The House
00:45:04.280 Subcommittee for
00:45:05.060 Healthcare and
00:45:05.640 Financial Services
00:45:06.660 was holding this
00:45:07.620 hearing on the
00:45:08.760 impact of trans
00:45:09.740 women's inclusion
00:45:12.080 in women's
00:45:12.880 sports.
00:45:13.760 So this
00:45:14.640 woman, she's
00:45:16.340 the National
00:45:16.900 Women's Law
00:45:17.760 Center CEO,
00:45:18.940 Fatima Goss
00:45:20.440 Graves.
00:45:21.840 This was her
00:45:22.620 state, part of
00:45:23.360 her statement.
00:45:24.800 Okay.
00:45:25.200 Got it.
00:45:26.640 Okay, let's
00:45:27.120 play it.
00:45:28.380 Genetic
00:45:28.780 composition of
00:45:29.620 a transgender
00:45:30.240 versus a woman
00:45:31.300 the same?
00:45:32.980 No.
00:45:33.840 Well, I'm
00:45:34.200 not a scientist.
00:45:36.220 Well, we're
00:45:36.640 talking about
00:45:37.020 science here,
00:45:37.540 so I hope
00:45:38.260 you, they're
00:45:39.300 not the same.
00:45:40.120 So that's
00:45:40.640 why you see
00:45:41.120 all these
00:45:41.340 physiological
00:45:41.760 differences.
00:45:43.080 The science
00:45:43.760 genetically is
00:45:44.580 a man is a
00:45:45.300 man is a
00:45:45.980 different genetics
00:45:46.720 than women.
00:45:47.660 Plain and
00:45:47.960 simple.
00:45:48.580 That's just
00:45:48.920 what it is.
00:45:49.380 I guess what
00:45:50.040 I would say
00:45:50.920 is that it
00:45:51.360 is, I'm
00:45:51.900 not a scientist
00:45:52.460 or a doctor,
00:45:53.360 but it's my
00:45:53.860 understanding that
00:45:54.560 it is more
00:45:54.980 complex than
00:45:55.660 what you
00:45:56.100 are saying
00:45:56.780 in that
00:45:57.640 there is
00:45:58.000 variation
00:45:58.740 among men
00:46:00.860 and among
00:46:01.660 women and
00:46:02.200 sometimes more
00:46:02.860 variation among
00:46:04.920 than there is
00:46:05.580 between.
00:46:06.520 Again, I'm
00:46:07.360 not a scientist
00:46:08.080 and, you
00:46:09.180 know, I don't
00:46:09.840 think the
00:46:10.200 panelists are
00:46:11.040 scientists either.
00:46:11.960 It seems like
00:46:12.320 it may be a
00:46:12.740 different scientific
00:46:13.600 hearing that
00:46:14.420 you can.
00:46:15.620 Oh my gosh.
00:46:17.220 I mean, this
00:46:17.740 is like
00:46:18.260 Ketanji Brown
00:46:19.160 Jackson when
00:46:20.980 she was like,
00:46:21.620 I'm not a
00:46:22.060 biologist.
00:46:22.680 I can't tell
00:46:23.200 you a definition
00:46:23.700 of a woman.
00:46:24.140 And, oh my
00:46:24.640 gosh, we
00:46:24.960 had Christians,
00:46:26.620 your favorite
00:46:27.180 Christian SJWs,
00:46:28.540 actually, some
00:46:30.020 of whom a lot
00:46:30.720 of Christian
00:46:31.120 conservatives
00:46:31.580 listen to.
00:46:33.060 I won't name
00:46:33.720 names because
00:46:34.140 that'll take us
00:46:34.620 on a rabbit
00:46:35.000 trail.
00:46:35.380 But, you
00:46:36.140 know, defending
00:46:36.780 her, Ketanji
00:46:37.640 Brown Jackson
00:46:38.120 is so awesome.
00:46:39.140 She couldn't
00:46:39.400 even define
00:46:39.940 what a woman
00:46:40.500 is.
00:46:40.820 Well, this
00:46:41.260 woman right
00:46:41.720 here, who
00:46:42.160 is the head
00:46:42.720 of National
00:46:44.360 Women's Law
00:46:45.360 Center, she
00:46:45.860 couldn't tell
00:46:46.300 you the difference
00:46:46.760 between a man
00:46:47.240 and a woman.
00:46:47.600 It's so complex.
00:46:49.180 It's never been
00:46:49.780 complex anywhere for
00:46:50.840 all of human
00:46:51.460 history until right
00:46:52.420 now.
00:46:52.700 All of a sudden,
00:46:53.640 in the past
00:46:54.080 five years, the
00:46:55.020 biology of gender
00:46:55.940 has become so
00:46:56.860 complex, and it's
00:46:58.360 just a coincidence
00:46:59.820 that one set of
00:47:01.360 humans has huge
00:47:02.440 hands and huge
00:47:03.300 feet and an
00:47:04.020 Adam's apple and
00:47:05.000 different genitalia
00:47:06.000 and no uterus, and
00:47:08.100 the other set of
00:47:08.780 humans has smaller
00:47:10.060 hands and larger
00:47:12.120 hips and a uterus
00:47:13.400 and smaller feet and
00:47:14.700 happen to be shorter
00:47:15.820 and a smaller
00:47:16.980 anaerobic and
00:47:18.080 aerobic capacity
00:47:19.520 capacity and
00:47:20.800 smaller hearts and
00:47:22.040 lower bone density.
00:47:26.240 It's just a
00:47:27.080 coincidence, all of
00:47:28.240 those things.
00:47:28.780 Like, those two
00:47:29.340 categories of human
00:47:30.560 beings, I wish we
00:47:31.500 had a name to
00:47:33.340 place on them, but
00:47:35.680 apparently we don't.
00:47:37.020 It's very, very
00:47:37.940 complicated, you see.
00:47:39.320 It's very gray.
00:47:40.720 It's very messy.
00:47:41.900 And you have to
00:47:42.520 have a degree from
00:47:44.140 Colombia to know
00:47:45.820 the difference between
00:47:47.100 a man and a
00:47:48.640 woman.
00:47:49.040 See, this is the
00:47:49.880 interesting thing
00:47:50.600 about the academic
00:47:51.420 and, like,
00:47:52.080 intellectual elite
00:47:53.220 so-called of this
00:47:54.080 day, is that they
00:47:54.700 do, they're not
00:47:55.740 actually dumb in the
00:47:57.460 sense that they can
00:47:59.020 write sophisticated
00:48:00.040 sentences.
00:48:01.540 They can speak.
00:48:02.740 They've got good
00:48:03.660 rhetorical skills.
00:48:05.560 They're not actually
00:48:06.760 stupid in the way
00:48:08.620 that we think of
00:48:09.300 stupid.
00:48:09.880 Like, they're
00:48:10.140 probably not super
00:48:12.640 low IQ, although I
00:48:13.760 do think a lot of
00:48:14.480 them are actually low
00:48:15.460 IQ, but, like, they
00:48:16.580 can actually talk,
00:48:17.540 right?
00:48:18.640 They're not dumb in
00:48:20.600 the sense that, like,
00:48:21.780 they don't understand
00:48:22.800 really what words
00:48:24.080 mean.
00:48:25.280 They're sophisticated
00:48:26.140 and educated in that
00:48:28.080 sense.
00:48:28.800 But they're stupid in
00:48:30.460 other ways.
00:48:31.520 That, like, if you
00:48:32.380 took the least
00:48:33.420 educated person in
00:48:36.560 America, in the
00:48:37.660 world, who had, you
00:48:39.640 know, if you went to
00:48:40.840 a tribe in Africa and
00:48:43.020 you talked to someone
00:48:43.900 who had never been to
00:48:45.260 school, had never read
00:48:46.440 a book, totally
00:48:47.440 illiterate, and you
00:48:48.440 asked them to
00:48:49.000 explain in their own
00:48:50.120 language the difference
00:48:51.520 between a man and a
00:48:52.300 woman, they would be
00:48:53.580 able to give you a
00:48:54.460 more sophisticated
00:48:55.360 answer than the most
00:48:56.600 educated and, quote
00:48:58.100 unquote, smartest
00:48:59.100 people in the richest
00:49:00.620 country in the world
00:49:01.380 in the United States.
00:49:02.820 How strange is that?
00:49:05.560 I mean, this reminds me,
00:49:06.660 it reminds me of a lot
00:49:07.340 of things, but it
00:49:07.980 reminds me every day
00:49:08.820 we're reminded of
00:49:09.560 Romans, of Romans 1.
00:49:11.400 For although they
00:49:13.140 knew God, they did
00:49:14.000 not honor him as
00:49:15.180 God or give thanks
00:49:15.980 to him, but they
00:49:16.660 became futile in
00:49:18.040 their thinking and
00:49:18.720 their foolish hearts
00:49:19.760 were darkened,
00:49:20.800 claiming to be wise.
00:49:22.640 They became fools
00:49:24.160 and exchanged the
00:49:25.060 glory of the
00:49:25.960 immortal God for
00:49:27.060 images resembling
00:49:28.160 mortal man and
00:49:29.200 birds and animals
00:49:30.280 and creeping things.
00:49:33.480 That's where we are.
00:49:34.820 That's where we are.
00:49:36.120 It's, you know
00:49:36.940 what, it's more
00:49:37.860 difficult, I think,
00:49:39.320 than in years past
00:49:40.500 being a Christian
00:49:41.240 today just because
00:49:42.240 the powers that be
00:49:43.240 are so strongly
00:49:44.620 and powerfully
00:49:45.300 against us.
00:49:46.880 And we have
00:49:47.280 institutions just
00:49:48.440 denying basic
00:49:49.340 biological truth,
00:49:50.680 but it's also
00:49:51.240 simpler than ever.
00:49:52.960 Like, you can say
00:49:54.060 things like a man
00:49:54.940 is a man and a
00:49:55.880 woman is a woman.
00:49:56.360 You don't even have
00:49:57.040 to say the gospel
00:49:58.080 to stand out
00:50:01.040 and to be human
00:50:01.880 salmon, as we say,
00:50:02.860 and to go against
00:50:03.520 the grain and to
00:50:04.340 stand up for
00:50:04.820 biblical truth.
00:50:05.660 Like, in a way,
00:50:07.280 it's easier.
00:50:08.000 You just get to say
00:50:08.760 things that are so
00:50:09.520 obvious, that are
00:50:10.300 covered in the
00:50:10.800 first chapter of
00:50:11.540 the first book
00:50:12.080 of the Bible.
00:50:14.140 So, be bold,
00:50:16.380 therefore.
00:50:16.940 Be bold.
00:50:17.500 All right.
00:50:30.140 Okay, so we
00:50:30.620 got to end on
00:50:31.240 something, and
00:50:32.360 again, I wasn't
00:50:33.080 going to talk
00:50:33.500 about, I wasn't
00:50:34.180 going to talk
00:50:34.500 about all this,
00:50:35.160 but this was
00:50:36.260 going around
00:50:36.920 earlier, this
00:50:38.420 clip of Nikki
00:50:41.080 Haley in an
00:50:41.820 interview.
00:50:42.700 Madam
00:50:43.120 Ambassador,
00:50:43.580 another question
00:50:44.040 is what care
00:50:44.800 should be on
00:50:45.260 the table when
00:50:46.480 a 12-year-old
00:50:47.620 child in this
00:50:48.520 country, assigned
00:50:49.300 female at birth,
00:50:50.580 says, actually, I
00:50:51.240 feel more
00:50:51.600 comfortable living
00:50:52.260 as a boy.
00:50:53.160 What should the
00:50:53.640 law allow the
00:50:55.080 response to be?
00:50:57.480 Well, I think the
00:50:58.300 law should stay out
00:50:59.260 of it, and I think
00:50:59.760 parents should handle
00:51:00.740 it.
00:51:01.260 All right.
00:51:02.860 All right.
00:51:04.100 Nikki Haley.
00:51:05.620 There are things I
00:51:06.520 like about Nikki
00:51:07.220 Haley.
00:51:07.600 I actually, I would
00:51:08.300 really love for her
00:51:09.080 to come on the
00:51:09.580 show.
00:51:09.980 I feel like I'm
00:51:10.720 probably ruining my
00:51:12.120 chances of that
00:51:12.780 happening every
00:51:13.520 time I say
00:51:14.240 something negative
00:51:15.100 about her, but I'm
00:51:16.200 really just
00:51:16.700 disagreeing.
00:51:17.600 This is the, I
00:51:18.460 mean, the second
00:51:19.460 big thing recently
00:51:20.900 that I've disagreed
00:51:22.080 with her on, she
00:51:22.820 criticized Ron
00:51:23.820 DeSantis for his
00:51:26.780 actions towards
00:51:27.620 Disney, which I
00:51:28.400 totally supported,
00:51:29.580 and then she said,
00:51:30.460 this was an
00:51:30.900 interview a few
00:51:31.460 months ago, she
00:51:31.980 said, Disney, come
00:51:32.860 on to South
00:51:33.380 Carolina.
00:51:34.260 Okay, first of
00:51:34.840 all, that's so
00:51:35.280 silly.
00:51:35.600 You think, where
00:51:36.460 are they going to
00:51:36.960 go?
00:51:37.260 Are they going to
00:51:37.700 go to Columbia?
00:51:38.460 Is Disney World
00:51:39.020 going to set up in
00:51:39.700 Columbia and move
00:51:40.620 from Orlando?
00:51:41.240 Okay, like, let's
00:51:42.740 think about that
00:51:43.200 just for a second.
00:51:45.220 But, also, like,
00:51:47.260 that's what you're
00:51:48.060 saying?
00:51:48.420 Like, you want
00:51:49.480 Disney, this hugely
00:51:50.920 powerful entity that
00:51:52.100 is trying to
00:51:52.980 influence schools and
00:51:54.460 influence the law in
00:51:55.720 the way of
00:51:57.080 transing kids to
00:51:58.780 come to the
00:51:59.160 conservative state
00:51:59.860 of South Carolina?
00:52:00.780 That's what you
00:52:01.260 think South
00:52:01.660 Carolinians want?
00:52:03.000 But it's this,
00:52:03.920 like, the economy
00:52:06.780 at all costs, like,
00:52:08.580 boomer
00:52:08.920 conservatism that I
00:52:10.920 just can't get
00:52:11.860 on board with.
00:52:13.020 And that's why I
00:52:13.520 like Ron DeSantis
00:52:14.120 so much, because he,
00:52:15.380 like, understands
00:52:16.000 that.
00:52:16.700 That, no, I
00:52:17.460 don't want a GOP
00:52:19.100 that's just bowing
00:52:20.240 down to corporations
00:52:21.380 all the time that
00:52:22.780 says, oh, no, no,
00:52:23.600 no, the law
00:52:24.340 shouldn't protect
00:52:25.460 kids getting
00:52:26.300 chemically castrated.
00:52:27.320 Like, what?
00:52:28.260 If the law is not
00:52:29.880 for the protection
00:52:31.380 of kids from
00:52:33.780 getting chemically
00:52:34.720 castrated and
00:52:36.160 their healthy
00:52:36.720 breasts cut off
00:52:37.920 because they are,
00:52:38.960 they say they're
00:52:39.740 confused about
00:52:40.480 their gender,
00:52:41.060 then we just
00:52:41.540 shouldn't have
00:52:42.020 laws.
00:52:42.880 If the law
00:52:43.520 doesn't protect
00:52:44.160 us against that,
00:52:45.740 then we shouldn't
00:52:46.420 have laws.
00:52:47.740 We should just
00:52:48.400 live in an
00:52:50.100 anarcho state.
00:52:52.300 That's what it
00:52:53.020 should be.
00:52:53.460 Like, what?
00:52:55.260 What in the
00:52:56.220 Asa Hutchinson
00:52:57.080 is this?
00:52:58.740 No.
00:52:59.500 I mean, she's,
00:53:00.060 that's completely,
00:53:01.420 completely not
00:53:02.700 where we are.
00:53:04.100 Completely not
00:53:05.020 where we are,
00:53:05.540 Nikki Haley.
00:53:06.420 Nope.
00:53:07.100 She's just trying
00:53:07.880 to, I guess,
00:53:08.580 set herself up
00:53:09.300 against DeSantis.
00:53:10.340 But this is,
00:53:11.140 this is the thing.
00:53:11.840 This is what
00:53:12.240 Trump is doing,
00:53:12.980 too.
00:53:13.780 People who are
00:53:14.420 trying to run
00:53:15.020 against Ron DeSantis,
00:53:17.040 they're going to
00:53:17.720 the left of Ron
00:53:18.700 DeSantis.
00:53:19.420 They're like,
00:53:19.700 oh, Ron DeSantis
00:53:20.320 is too conservative,
00:53:21.820 too conservative
00:53:22.540 towards Disney.
00:53:23.300 As Trump said,
00:53:23.920 he's too conservative
00:53:24.720 on abortion.
00:53:25.920 Now, Nikki Haley,
00:53:26.980 even though she's
00:53:27.480 not talking about
00:53:27.940 DeSantis,
00:53:28.460 she's probably
00:53:29.120 implicitly talking
00:53:30.340 about him.
00:53:31.100 Oh, he's too
00:53:33.520 conservative on
00:53:34.520 the gender stuff.
00:53:35.660 Who are you
00:53:37.180 appealing to
00:53:37.940 exactly?
00:53:39.200 Not me.
00:53:40.260 That is for sure.
00:53:41.620 All right.
00:53:42.960 Just wanted to
00:53:44.040 end that
00:53:45.200 on a Nikki Haley
00:53:46.440 note.
00:53:47.140 And we will be
00:53:47.820 back here tomorrow
00:53:48.600 with a very
00:53:49.360 interesting interview
00:53:51.280 that you guys
00:53:51.960 are going to love.
00:53:53.380 So, see you
00:53:53.940 back here then.