Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - December 13, 2023


Ep 922 | The Very Scary Rise of Christofascism


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A woman with a baby with a trisomy 18 diagnosis is suing the state of Texas for trying to force her to have an abortion at 20 weeks pregnant. Pro-life advocate Ann Coulter calls her a "Radical Handmaid's Tale" and says she's "Extreme." Producer Brie has some controversial takes about Christmas music.

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00:00:00.000 A new Christian nationalism documentary with David French, Russell Moore, and others claims
00:00:07.120 that Christofascism is on the rise. But is that the real threat our country is facing?
00:00:13.420 Also, Ann Coulter and other conservatives are calling people like me radical and extreme
00:00:18.760 for our basic pro-life position. I've got a response to that. And also, producer Brie has
00:00:25.820 some very controversial takes about Christmas music. We've got all that and more on this
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00:02:12.040 just wanted to say that up front. Now we've got a lot of things to talk about.
00:02:15.460 So we're going to talk about the Christian nationalism documentary a little bit more
00:02:19.240 because I have some things to say about it. But I was thinking on the way over to the studio
00:02:23.400 about the story that we discussed yesterday. And I just, I've got a little rant. I've got a little
00:02:29.180 bit more to say about this story of the woman, Kate Cox, who is suing the state of Texas to have an
00:02:35.260 abortion because at 20 weeks, her baby inside the womb was diagnosed with trisomy 18, which is
00:02:41.560 usually not always a fatal diagnosis. They die either in utero or within a week, sometimes within
00:02:49.060 a year, sometimes within a few years after birth. There are some babies that actually survive much
00:02:55.160 longer than that. There are teenagers who have trisomy 18. It just depends on the diagnosis and
00:03:00.060 the medical attention that a medical team is willing to give the baby. But she wasn't interested
00:03:06.740 in that route. She wanted to abort her child. She wasn't interested in the different options 0.96
00:03:12.300 that were given to her, that they could induce her labor. They could give her a C-section, whether 1.00
00:03:18.300 the baby died in the womb or made it to delivery. She wanted an abortion. And in the state of Texas, 0.99
00:03:25.340 she didn't qualify for an abortion. There is an exception for the life of the mother in Texas 1.00
00:03:31.300 abortion law, but her life was not at risk. If it had been at risk, her doctors would have said that.
00:03:36.980 Her lawyers certainly would have said that. But that's not the case that they're making. They're
00:03:40.940 trying to exaggerate some of the risks that she does have, not based on any medical information
00:03:47.880 that the doctors gave, but based on their own interpretations to try to say that she should
00:03:53.060 qualify and get an abortion. While sadly, Kate Cox has traveled to another state to abort her child. 1.00
00:04:00.400 And I've been talking about this. A lot of pro-life conservatives have been talking about this.
00:04:06.400 And we've gotten quite a bit of blowback, which is normal. It's very normal for the pro-life position
00:04:11.900 to be called extreme, to be called radical, to be called cruel, handmaid's tale, all of these silly
00:04:17.020 things that we've heard a million bajillion times from the left. But we're getting it also from the
00:04:24.780 right. We are getting it from people who call themselves conservatives and even people who call
00:04:29.220 themselves pro-life, saying that our position, that this baby with a terrible, very sad, tragic diagnosis,
00:04:42.040 that that baby is a human being. And therefore, he is entitled to human rights, the most fundamental
00:04:52.200 of which is the right not to be murdered, the right to life. And that doesn't change depending
00:04:58.760 on the circumstances surrounding their conception. That doesn't change based on their special needs.
00:05:04.460 That doesn't change based on what situation the mother is in or what the mother desires to do.
00:05:09.680 If we believe the pro-life premise that babies inside the womb are human, then they always deserve or 0.99
00:05:16.760 entitled to that fundamental human right to not be murdered, the fundamental human right to life.
00:05:24.860 But apparently, that is a radical, cruel position that is going to cost Republicans all elections. And
00:05:32.320 people like me need to take a more measured, a more nuanced, a saner position and to say that in a case like
00:05:40.760 this, that child should be aborted or the woman should be allowed to abort her child. 1.00
00:05:59.860 I find it so interesting that these so-called moderate conservatives really do think like
00:06:05.760 progressives when it comes to this. Like, they don't really know. I've noticed they don't really
00:06:10.520 know the facts of the case. They don't know how far along Kate Cox is. They don't know anything it seems
00:06:16.100 about fetal development. They don't know the difference between the DNC and a DE. They don't
00:06:21.780 know what abortion looks like at this point in gestation. They don't realize that that baby can be born
00:06:28.640 whole. They don't think about the fact that the choice is really between two kinds of deliveries
00:06:35.200 because the baby has to come out. It's either delivering that baby whole or delivering that baby
00:06:40.700 in pieces. Instead, they just insist that it is radical to believe that this baby, even this baby
00:06:49.960 has a right to life. And I just want to say that I understand that position. I understand that position.
00:07:01.060 However, and I say this from love, it is stupid. It is a stupid position. And I can say that with
00:07:07.660 confidence because I once thought like these people did. I did. Back in 2016 and before, I also held the
00:07:16.340 position that you can be pro-life but believe in A, B, C, D, E, F, G, exception. That you can still
00:07:26.720 care about babies inside of the womb. You can still believe that they have a right to life. You can be
00:07:31.060 staunchly pro-life and still believe in all of these exceptions. I absolutely, 2015 Allie Stuckey
00:07:38.200 absolutely would have said that this situation with the Texas woman should qualify as an exception.
00:07:46.780 I would have said that sure, she should be able to get an abortion. Yeah, it's sad. Yeah, it's tragic.
00:07:51.920 But you know, she probably doesn't really want this. This is a really difficult decision. She
00:07:56.100 should be able to get the abortion. I also would have said that abortion should be legal in cases
00:08:01.120 of rape and incest. I probably could have given you a pretty significantly long list of reasons why
00:08:11.060 someone should be able to get an abortion. And I still would have called myself staunchly pro-life.
00:08:16.340 I still would have said that I have compassion for those little image bearers of God. I would have
00:08:23.240 used all the right language. But when it came down to it, my position was incredibly incoherent
00:08:29.920 because I wasn't really thinking from the perspective of the baby. I was thinking about
00:08:35.400 this as this abstract issue. And so because I was thinking about it like an issue, a political topic,
00:08:43.200 rather than what it is, a tangible matter of life and death for a human being, I held a very morally
00:08:51.200 and logically stupid perspective on this. And you know what changed my mind? You might think it was
00:08:57.660 having a child. It wasn't. I did have our first in 2019. And so that strengthened my pro-life views.
00:09:07.700 Of course, when you see that baby in the ultrasound, for me, it was about 11 and a half weeks. And I
00:09:13.060 was shocked to see how fully formed she was with arms and legs kicking and moving and punching and 0.87
00:09:18.280 flipping around. That certainly strengthened my views. But that was not what did it. That's not
00:09:23.120 actually what God used to change my mind from this inconsistent, incoherent, not really pro-life
00:09:29.740 position that I held back in 2016 and prior. It was a Facebook comment. It was a comment from a
00:09:36.420 person. I don't even know who they are anymore. It was just a random follower. Because this was after
00:09:41.720 I started my blog, The Conservative Millennial, and I had a Facebook page and I posted something or
00:09:49.000 commented something about, oh yeah, I'm pro-life, but there's got to be exceptions sometimes, right?
00:09:54.820 I think I said something about the exceptions that are needed for rape and incest. And it was a random
00:10:02.340 commenter who asked me a question. Why do the circumstances surrounding that child's conception
00:10:12.800 change whether that child has a right to live or not? Why do the circumstances surrounding their
00:10:24.500 conception endanger their right to life? It doesn't change the scientific fact that they're a human.
00:10:31.300 It doesn't change the fact that they are an image bearer of God. Why should they be punished
00:10:37.140 for a choice that was made at their conception? Not by the mother in cases of rape, but an awful,
00:10:50.240 sinful, wicked choice by the man who raped her. Why should the child get punished for that?
00:10:55.100 Well, I never thought about it like that. I had never thought about it really from the perspective
00:11:02.700 of the baby. That we don't punish a child because of the situation or the circumstances surrounding
00:11:10.760 their conception. We shouldn't punish a child for a fatal diagnosis. We shouldn't punish a child
00:11:17.560 for the situation that their mother may be in. We choose life for them. We choose love for them
00:11:25.120 and their parents. That is the consistent take. That is the coherent perspective. Because if you
00:11:32.940 believe that you can be pro-life with XYZ exception, then you're not really pro-life because you don't buy
00:11:42.360 into the premise of the pro-life idea that babies are human beings and therefore deserve human rights.
00:11:50.240 They're entitled to human rights. That is the only coherent position. And in fact, I have more respect
00:11:57.020 for the opposite perspective. I have more respect for the radical pro-aborts, maybe not respect for them,
00:12:08.340 but a more respect for the consistency of their argument. Those who simply say that they don't care
00:12:15.920 that babies inside the womb are human beings, that they simply believe in women's absolute bodily 0.99
00:12:22.580 autonomy and that at any point in pregnancy, she should be able to order the murder of her child.
00:12:29.400 That's a barbaric position, but it's consistent. It makes more sense, logically, than the position
00:12:39.000 that, yeah, babies are human beings, but if they get sick or if their mom is in a really difficult
00:12:46.020 situation, she should have a right to murder them. That doesn't make any sense at all. I know. I'm
00:12:52.980 called radical. I'm called extreme. I will be called, or the position that I hold at least, will be blamed
00:13:02.300 for losing Republican elections. I don't care. Abortion is extreme. Abortion is radical. Abortion
00:13:12.300 is barbaric. Abortion is cruel. There is never a good or humane or sane justification for poisoning 0.89
00:13:22.400 or dismembering a child. They're simply not. Look, pro-choicers, because that's what you are if you
00:13:30.620 believe you're pro-life, but there are XYZ exceptions. You're pro-choice. Just understand this. Can you
00:13:39.300 understand this? Because this seems really difficult for pro-choice people to grasp. I know all of your
00:13:45.260 arguments backwards and forwards. I would, by the grace of God, take absolutely any pro-choicer in
00:13:51.620 any debate or any discussion. I'm not intimidated. I'm not afraid at all. I know all of your arguments.
00:13:57.300 I understand them backwards and forwards. Pro-choicers are extremely, I'm sorry, but extremely
00:14:03.980 ignorant. Extremely ignorant when it comes to abortion, when it comes to fetal development,
00:14:08.460 when it comes to gestation, when it comes to pro-life arguments. Just extremely ignorant.
00:14:14.740 But here's what I want you to understand is that we pro-lifers really believe, we really know that
00:14:21.820 babies inside the womb are people, that they're human beings. They're not potential human beings. 0.96
00:14:26.740 They're not a potential life. They're not just clumps of cells. They're human beings, and therefore,
00:14:31.820 they're entitled to human rights. Every idea that we have about murder outside of the womb,
00:14:40.720 we apply to people inside the womb. And so if you would not justify killing a person outside of the
00:14:49.300 womb because of the disease that they're diagnosed with, because of their socioeconomic status,
00:14:53.260 because of their potential for a difficult life, because they're poor, because their parents don't
00:14:59.540 want them, because they're in some kind of difficult situation, because they're small,
00:15:04.380 because they're helpless, if these are not reasons that you would kill someone outside of the womb,
00:15:10.000 then they're not good reasons to kill someone inside the womb. Can you grasp that? You might not
00:15:16.620 hold to that position, but can you understand where we're coming from? And can you understand the
00:15:23.100 incoherence in your position? You might not be ready to let go of it yet. I know. It is so tempting
00:15:29.220 to be seen as the sane and mature and nuanced voice in the room by saying, yeah, I'm pro-life, but
00:15:37.300 I know. It makes you feel good when you get progressives passing you on the back and conservatives
00:15:44.900 whispering to you that really your position is the righteous one. I know. I know. That feels good.
00:15:50.640 But your position is stupid. I used to hold it, too. It's time. Let go. All right. That's my rant.
00:16:09.880 All right. So we know the problems that our nation is facing, right? We've got pornography in schools
00:16:18.480 that's being celebrated by not just librarians and school administrators and teachers and activists,
00:16:25.800 but the government itself. The Democratic Party claims that these very sexually explicit books that
00:16:33.340 are labeled as LGBTQ affirming books, they celebrate the fact that these books are in libraries and say
00:16:43.360 that this representation matters, even as they shut down the parents who are reading these books out
00:16:48.940 loud at school board meetings. We've got abortion, which we just covered, the violent killing of babies
00:16:57.460 that happens every day totally legally. We've got the butchering of the bodies of people who say that
00:17:03.040 they're confused about their gender. This includes children. This includes adolescents.
00:17:07.340 We understand that the Biden administration is weaponizing its power to force people to participate in
00:17:19.760 this madness, taking away free school lunches from schools with students in poverty if they don't allow
00:17:26.140 boys into girls' restrooms. We can link a past episode on that if you doubt it. We've got a lot of moral 0.95
00:17:33.040 issues that are facing our country. We've got a two-tier justice system. We've got absolute rot in academia.
00:17:43.780 Every single institutionalized power that be has been completely captured by progressivism,
00:17:51.820 by this up-is-down, right-is-wrong ideology. This manifestation of Romans 1 is at the very
00:18:02.660 top of every global and national institution, whether you're talking about the WHO, the UN, WEF,
00:18:12.720 the federal government, many state governments, our public education system, academia, the mainstream
00:18:19.520 media, Hollywood. They are all lockstep in most of these moral and cultural issues. It's not really
00:18:30.900 a debate. It's not really. It's not a serious debate which ideology has more power and uses its power
00:18:39.640 to punish any dissent. I mean, think about Jack Phillips. This is just one of many examples who has
00:18:44.940 been fighting since 2012 for his right simply to bake a cake that aligns with his values. You'll remember he
00:18:53.960 is the owner of Masterpiece Cake Shop, and he was asked by two gay men if he would make a cake to
00:19:03.320 celebrate their gay wedding, so-called. And he said, no. He said, well, I can't make a wedding cake for
00:19:10.120 you, but I can make you another kind of cake, but I can't make something that explicitly celebrates a
00:19:16.140 union that my Christian faith calls sin. I won't do that. And he was sued by this cruel activist
00:19:24.000 couple, and Colorado ruled against him and said, nope, bake the cake, you bigot, while it was eventually
00:19:30.920 taken to the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court did rule in his favor, not on the grounds of religious
00:19:35.020 liberty, but just said, look, Colorado treated this person with express hostility towards his Christian
00:19:42.280 faith. And so, therefore, we're not going to agree to the decision that the Colorado court made.
00:19:51.440 And he is still fighting. He's still fighting because now you have trans activists, all kinds
00:19:56.980 of LGBTQ activists targeting him and requesting that he make cakes that they know that he cannot morally
00:20:07.080 make. And so, Alliance Defending Freedom has been representing Jack Phillips for a very long time.
00:20:13.400 He has poured out thousands of dollars of his money, so much of his time. I mean, I've met him before
00:20:19.480 back in like 2017, I think. I started a GoFundMe for him, which, you know, I'm definitely not patting
00:20:28.940 myself on the back for that because that takes like zero effort. It was all of you, all the people who
00:20:34.000 followed me that donated money and I think raised over like $30,000 for him. And I met Jack Phillips
00:20:39.720 a few years ago. And that was the first time I had met him. So gentle, so sweet, so kind. And his
00:20:47.500 eyes just welled up with tears. And he told me that all of those donations that you guys sent so many
00:20:52.680 years ago actually helped him keep his business open at the time that he was draining his resources
00:20:58.300 and his time trying to defend himself from LGBTQ activists. And so this is a Christian who literally
00:21:04.600 was just minding his business, just living his life. And you have LGBTQ activists who have weaponized 0.98
00:21:10.860 the power of the government to try to force him to bake a cake in their favor. It's the same thing
00:21:15.240 with Lori Smith. It's the same thing with florists and artists and coaches and teachers and all kinds of
00:21:22.380 people who just want to live in a way that abides by their moral code, especially when it comes to
00:21:28.840 sex and gender, who are sued, who are fired, who are discriminated against. We constantly hear from
00:21:35.380 the LGBTQ progressive side, just mind your own business, stay in your own lane. We literally are.
00:21:42.160 And you guys are hunting down Christians to target and then sue and then ruin. So there's really no
00:21:50.620 serious debate about who is in charge and who has the power and who is trying to interfere in the
00:21:58.120 lives of whom. It's the progressive side. Duh. And yet we hear that Christian nationalism is the big 0.97
00:22:07.660 threat our country faces. Christian nationalism is causing all the real problems. It's Christian 1.00
00:22:14.760 nationalism that we have to fear. It's Christian nationalism that's rising to prominence and power. 1.00
00:22:20.620 And there's a new documentary. Phil Vischer is in it. He is the guy who created Veggie Tales. I mean,
00:22:27.900 talk about such a different person with a different mission now. David French, of course, Russell Moore,
00:22:37.660 several other people are in it who would call themselves progressives. Now those people,
00:22:42.380 Russell Moore, David French, and Phil Vischer wouldn't call themselves progressive. They might even
00:22:47.960 call themselves in some ways conservative, which is funny. But they are in this and it's a documentary
00:22:54.960 about the dangers of Christian nationalism, that this is the real threat that we have to focus on. So 0.77
00:22:59.820 here's a clip from the documentary. They're told over and over and over again that you're in danger.
00:23:05.340 You need to fight if you don't want to lose your country. We are in a civil war between good and evil.
00:23:11.180 This is not a movement about Christian values. This is about Christian power. 0.70
00:23:14.580 What happens to the people who don't believe this stuff?
00:23:20.920 We are on the precipice. God is on our side. We're taking our nation back.
00:23:27.440 The thing that keeps me up at night is that we lose democracy. Does that seem possible?
00:23:31.700 Yes.
00:23:32.040 Okay. So we talked about this a little bit with John Cooper on Monday. You can go back and listen
00:23:42.820 to that episode. But I just had more to say about this. So I can say up front what I've said for
00:23:50.360 years now. If by Christian nationalist, what you mean is someone who believes that America is the new
00:23:59.480 Israel, is God's chosen country, that the future of America determines when Jesus is coming back,
00:24:06.940 and that we are called to build a theocracy here where we force people to bow down at the cross of
00:24:13.100 Christ, and we use Jesus to round people up and force them into conversions. If by Christian 1.00
00:24:23.280 nationalists, you mean the people who caused violence on January 6th and stormed the Capitol
00:24:29.560 and are calling for executions for non-Christians. If that's what you mean by Christian nationalists,
00:24:35.580 then yes, of course, I condemn that. Of course, I don't know anyone, and I don't know anyone who knows
00:24:44.500 anyone who falls into that camp. I'm sure they exist. They mostly exist online. I think most of those
00:24:51.400 people are bots. But I'm sure that there are people who believe those things. If by Christian 1.00
00:24:58.880 nationalist, that's what you mean, then yeah, that's just theologically incorrect. That's
00:25:04.560 theologically incorrect. America is not God's chosen country. We might have reaped special blessings,
00:25:11.520 gracious blessings. We have, and that's incredible. The future of America does not determine when Jesus
00:25:18.060 is coming back. No one knows the day or the hour that Jesus is coming back. And we are not called as
00:25:26.600 Christians to establish a theocracy. But Christians are called to bring our worldview to the voting booth.
00:25:37.280 We are called to allow our faith to influence how we vote and what we think about each policy.
00:25:49.760 Everyone in the United States in this representative democracy has a right to do that, has a responsibility
00:25:57.120 to do that. But what we are hearing from those who decry Christian nationalism as this great,
00:26:03.640 big, prominent, pervasive threat, what we hear is that Christians are not allowed to do that.
00:26:10.880 That Christians are the only ones who cannot bring our worldview to the voting booth.
00:26:15.600 That we can be personally against abortion. We can be personally against transgenderism. We can have our
00:26:23.880 own personal beliefs about marriage and about these moral matters. But it is fascism the second you allow
00:26:31.680 those personal beliefs to become political. But that's not true of any other group. It's okay for
00:26:39.620 progressives to bring their worldview to the voting booth. It's okay for an atheist to allow his secular
00:26:44.620 humanism to inform his vote. It's okay for people of all different kinds of religious backgrounds and all
00:26:50.040 different kinds of worldviews to bring their beliefs to the public square and allow that to shape what they
00:26:57.660 think about policies. But when Christians do it, it's theocratic fascism. When Christians do it, 1.00
00:27:03.140 it's scary Christian nationalism. When Christians do it, it is the number one threat to democracy that 1.00
00:27:09.460 exists. Don't you see what's happening here? Don't you see that they're just trying to scare Christian 0.97
00:27:14.820 conservatives out of voting in alignment with our faith? Don't you see that they're just trying to
00:27:21.360 neuter you? Don't you see that they just don't want Republicans to win? That's what it is. Like,
00:27:27.220 it's really that superficial, that they just don't want Republicans who abide by their Christian faith
00:27:33.740 to win. They believe that the only future for Christianity in the United States is a neutered
00:27:41.840 future, a future in which Christians completely push our faith to the side, categorize our faith over 0.99
00:27:49.280 here, and then just allow progressivism to run rampant. That's what we hear. And I'm just not jiving with
00:28:00.920 that. I'm sorry. I'm not. I'm not really sorry, actually. Because the things that they don't want us
00:28:11.800 fighting against are things that are an assault on the Imago Dei. They don't want my faith to inform 0.81
00:28:20.000 what I think about abortion, what I think about transgenderism, what I think about marriage. But
00:28:25.440 they do. And they have to. And me bringing my faith to the voting booth is not forcing you to become a
00:28:33.640 Christian. I'm just doing the same thing you, Atheist Progressive, are doing. You're bringing 0.98
00:28:38.480 your personal beliefs into the public square, and so am I, and may the best idea win. That's how this
00:28:45.920 whole thing is supposed to work. But Christians are supposed to bow out of the fight. We're not supposed 1.00
00:28:50.660 to care about the babies being dismembered inside the womb. You're not supposed to care about the bodies 0.96
00:28:54.900 being butchered by derelict doctors. You're not supposed to care about the rising crime. And you're not
00:29:03.160 supposed to push for real justice against criminals. You're not supposed to care about
00:29:08.860 these things. You're not supposed to bring your moral beliefs into the public dialogue about politics
00:29:15.740 and culture and morality, conservative Christian. Everyone else can, but you can't because when you 0.86
00:29:20.900 do it, it's the handmaid's tale. When you do it, you're a fascist. That's what's going on here.
00:29:26.340 Now, I say this as someone who, one, I voted for Trump twice, but also I am not the world's biggest
00:29:34.420 Trump fan. I'm not. Like, y'all probably know that about me. There are other candidates that I think
00:29:41.040 would be way better presidents. That's a fact. But I also understand that he is simply not the threat
00:29:52.960 to democracy that these people say that he is. And I understand that people who vote for him, like I have,
00:30:02.180 are not these crazy, radical, extreme, theocratic fascists that the media and this documentary wants
00:30:11.280 you to believe that we are. We're just not. We're just people who think that it's wrong to abort babies.
00:30:17.040 Like, we're just people who believe in free speech. We're just people who believe in the Second Amendment.
00:30:20.580 We're just people who don't believe that the government should be threatening to take away
00:30:26.300 parents' custody of their children because they won't chemically castrate their 10-year-old son.
00:30:31.740 Crazy. I know. We're wild out here. But these are just the things that we believe, things that were
00:30:37.080 common sense, things that everyone believed 10 to 20 years ago. Yeah. Are there some extreme people
00:30:42.360 out there? Are there some truly authoritarian, dictatorial people out there? Yeah. But they don't
00:30:49.100 even come close to the dictatorial, tyrannical people on the left. Not even close. Not even close.
00:30:57.540 If you want to see who the real dictators are, all you have to do is look at the Democratic Party.
00:31:02.540 And in fact, I think that these accusations of scary Christian nationalism, I think it's projection.
00:31:07.660 Because they are constantly on the left trying to morally manipulate us and emotionally extort us
00:31:13.440 into buying into their views. They use religion. They use all kinds of emotional and spiritual
00:31:19.580 tactics to try to convince us that being on their side is the righteous and the moral thing to do.
00:31:25.620 So when Kamala Harris or when Stacey Abrams or when Joe Biden, when Pete Buttigieg, when they use the
00:31:32.540 Bible to try to say that we must be pro-choice and scared to have children because of climate change and
00:31:41.600 all these policies that they want us to support, that's fine. Because the ends justify the means.
00:31:50.960 But if we allow the Bible to inform what we think about things like abortion, then it's scary,
00:31:57.080 scary, scary fascism. I've, you know, I've said this so many times, but it just seems to still be a
00:32:06.120 sticking point for a lot of Christians. You don't have to worry. You don't have to worry about the
00:32:11.760 rise of Christian fascism. There's like two people in the entirety of the United States that have those 0.73
00:32:19.080 beliefs. You need to be worried about the complete institutional capture of every national and
00:32:26.760 international entity by progressivism. You think BlackRock and Vanguard and all these organizations
00:32:34.280 are pushing Christian conservatism? They're not.
00:32:37.420 All right. Quite a few things about this documentary. One thing I wanted to point out
00:32:54.760 that you might have seen in that trailer that we also talked about on Monday with John, but I wanted
00:32:59.160 to talk about it a little bit more, was one of the examples that they gave in that montage of
00:33:04.280 apparently Christian nationalism was footage of a man being thrown out of a school board meeting.
00:33:12.800 Now, who was this man? Who was this man that was being thrown out of a school board meeting that
00:33:17.680 we're supposed to believe from that footage was the scary Christian nationalists that was doing 0.98
00:33:21.800 something bad? You saw that he was being arrested in a room and he looked like he was resisting arrest.
00:33:27.800 Um, this was a dad by the name of John Teagues, um, out of Loudoun County, Virginia. Now,
00:33:36.260 why was he getting arrested? Why was he making a ruckus in this school board meeting? So this is
00:33:41.380 according to, uh, the Federalist. He was arrested on June 22nd, 2021, after he tried to express his
00:33:47.700 concerns about the school district's, uh, quote unquote, moral decay. He was one of more than 250
00:33:53.560 people who had signed up to speak during the public comment section of Loudoun County school board
00:33:57.580 meeting regarding the board's new transgender policy proposal. Uh, the proposal mandated that 0.85
00:34:04.120 employees, uh, use preferred pronouns, so-called, and would allow students to use preferred restrooms
00:34:12.220 regardless of their sex. Uh, before Teagues could speak, school board chairwoman Brenda Sheridan called 1.00
00:34:18.680 off the meeting. Teague stood up and encouraged people on both sides of the debate to stay
00:34:22.600 and discuss what they came to discuss. He said that people could be heard without amplification
00:34:28.000 because it was a peaceful assembly. However, the now recently fired superintendent, Scott Ziegler,
00:34:34.460 declared that the gathering was an unlawful assembly and ordered hundreds of people, uh, to leave.
00:34:42.080 And Teagues refused to leave. Uh, then he was arrested for trespassing.
00:34:48.680 Uh, his arrest was used by the National School Boards Association in 2021 in collusion with the
00:34:55.480 Biden White House to justify the smearing of concerned parents as domestic terrorists who
00:35:01.080 required punishment from federal law enforcement. On January 5th, 2023, Teagues was found not guilty
00:35:07.780 of trespassing. And I do want to correct something that I said on Monday. I got him confused with a dad
00:35:14.940 who was also arrested at a school board meeting because the, uh, because his daughter had been,
00:35:20.900 uh, assaulted by a so-called transgender person in, uh, the bathroom. Um, this guy, John Teagues,
00:35:28.960 was, uh, was, uh, was it, was a different person, but, uh, he was also not guilty of anything. He was
00:35:35.720 simply peacefully trying to raise his voice about a very disturbing and very dangerous policy that would
00:35:45.020 allow boys into girls' restrooms. And he was arrested for trespassing after the superintendent
00:35:50.740 said suddenly that this was an unlawful gathering. And so that was included, uh, in this advertisement.
00:35:57.660 Why? Because the people who made this documentary don't believe that Christians should care about that.
00:36:03.740 They don't believe that Christians should have any say over where, uh, over whether a boy should 0.99
00:36:08.940 enter into a girl's bathroom because if they do, that's scary Christian nationalism. They're trying 0.99
00:36:14.140 to intimidate you out of saying anything. They're trying to intimidate you away from defending your
00:36:20.780 children, defending gender, defending things that matter, defending the things that keep your family
00:36:27.280 safe. They don't want you to say anything about it because they want you to be scared of being
00:36:32.700 called a fascist and a Christian nationalist. They're okay with you being a Christian as long 0.67
00:36:38.700 as you don't act like it. They're okay with you being a Christian as long as you don't live that 0.95
00:36:42.840 out. They're okay with you believing these crazy, archaic, uh, barbaric things about the definition
00:36:49.040 of marriage and the protection of children and the gender binary and all of those things, but you cannot
00:36:53.560 allow those things to go outside of your home. And in fact, they might say that, but they're really not
00:36:59.080 even okay with that because if you don't allow your own child to go through so-called gender 0.99
00:37:04.540 transition, then the state of California or the state of Oregon or these liberal states will come
00:37:09.280 into your home and remove your child from your home and make sure that they get the hormone treatments 1.00
00:37:13.300 that they want. That's not fear-mongering. That's not slippery slope. That's literally happening.
00:37:18.500 That's literally happening. We actually, that's happening in Illinois. We had a mom, uh, who lost custody of
00:37:25.100 her daughter because she did not agree with the transition of her daughter. Yaley Martinez, that's a
00:37:31.320 child out of California. She ended up committing suicide after the state removed, uh, her from her
00:37:38.580 mother's home because her mother did not agree with her child transitioning. So this stuff is happening.
00:37:45.560 But according to this documentary, based on the things that they're including, you're not allowed to say
00:37:50.560 anything about that or else it's scary Christian nationalism. So origins of the documentary,
00:37:56.140 Catherine, um, Catherine Stewart, the documentary is based on her book, Power Worshippers Inside the
00:38:01.780 Dangerous Rise of Religious, uh, Nationalism. And so she fear-mongers about the religious right
00:38:10.360 and the power that we're taking. Like, it's funny because like Donald Trump is seen as the figurehead
00:38:15.400 of this. And like, I, I'm not even sure that the man is a Christian. I don't even think he could tell
00:38:21.260 you the first thing about what the Bible says or what the gospel says, but he is apparently the
00:38:26.620 representation of religious nationalism. Uh, Catherine Stewart is a left-wing New York Times journalist
00:38:35.140 who is a proud supporter of abortion. She has criticized, um, other Christian movements in the past.
00:38:41.580 Uh, she wrote a book about, uh, the Good News Club, which is a non-profit after-school club that
00:38:49.280 shares the gospel with students in public schools. She called it a stealth assault from the Christian 1.00
00:38:55.200 right. So again, these people just have a problem with you being a Christian. Like they just have a
00:39:00.300 problem with you sharing the gospel and living out your faith. That is the issue. So, uh, she is behind,
00:39:06.700 uh, this documentary. She claims that these Christians are worshiping power. And then also 0.93
00:39:11.580 we've got Rob Reiner, who is, uh, um, he is a Hollywood producer. He's produced a lot of major
00:39:18.360 films and he apparently is helping with the producing of this. He is a longtime liberal activist,
00:39:23.900 has been pushing for radical left-wing policies for, uh, for a very, uh, long time. We've also got
00:39:31.480 Kristen Dume and we've got Andrew Whitehead, uh, Kristen Dume. She wrote Jesus and John Wayne. Andrew
00:39:38.420 Whitehead has been writing about the dangers of Christian nationalism for a long time. I would be 1.00
00:39:43.480 more than happy to have either of these people on my show. They can promote the wazoo out of their 0.97
00:39:48.760 books and we can talk all about it. I would love to, I just want to go through their arguments one by
00:39:54.200 one, really make sure that I understand it, really make sure that my audience understands it. Um,
00:40:00.060 I would be more than happy to have these people on. They can even promote this documentary if they
00:40:04.060 want to. Um, Phil Fisher, as I said, VeggieTales co-creator, he is a part of it. Phil Fisher and I
00:40:09.380 have gone back and forth several times on things. I think he is so incredibly wrong on the most
00:40:15.360 important, uh, moral issues of our day. He would probably be someone like David French and Russell
00:40:20.320 Moore who tried to push, they would not call themselves progressive, as I said, but they would push
00:40:25.300 a so-called third way. I think in a lot of these things, they end up, I think, erring on the side
00:40:30.780 of the left on many issues. David French probably the least of the three. Um, but they would represent,
00:40:37.760 you know, I'm not trying to be right or left. I'm, uh, in the middle of these issues or I'm a
00:40:43.920 Christian, but I'm not this scary Christian nationalist who actually thinks that your worldview
00:40:48.240 should inform your vote. Um, they would probably be more in that camp, but they end up being so
00:40:54.380 soft on these issues that they basically just serve, serve it all up for progressives. Uh, they
00:41:01.980 basically are in alignment with them, uh, when it comes down to the conclusions of, uh, progressive
00:41:12.460 ideas. Um, they're very, I don't want to say like, they're not idiots. So I don't want to say that
00:41:19.240 because I actually don't think that they're stupid, but they are useful idiots. They are useful idiots
00:41:24.800 because they're always punching right and tickling left. So they might pretend to sometimes criticize
00:41:32.360 the left on things, but they are, uh, they're definitely going to make sure that you know that
00:41:40.180 the real problem lies with, uh, the right. Um, there are several other people who are a part of
00:41:48.560 it, whose names that you would probably recognize. Um, Russell Moore in the documentary says that
00:41:54.320 Christian nationalism uses Christianity as a means to an end, that end being some form of 0.76
00:42:00.420 authoritarianism. The term Christian nationalism refers to the use of Christian word symbols or
00:42:05.720 rituals as a means to shore up an ethnic or national identity. Again, how many people actually
00:42:11.540 believe this? If you think that this is the real threat, David French, he says, we should be blazing
00:42:16.700 forth as a counter-cultural example. And instead we are leading the charge of malice and division. 0.77
00:42:24.020 Really? Okay. Um, it's the right that's doing that. Wow. That's just incredible. Anthea Butler,
00:42:30.380 we talked about her on Monday. She's the author of white evangelical racism, the politics of morality, 0.82
00:42:35.700 in America. She was the one in that advertisement who said that we're going to lose democracy thanks
00:42:40.520 to the people on January 6th. Really? Like these people have no power. They have no power. They
00:42:47.080 have no institutional or governmental backing, uh, whatsoever. Um, Kyle Mann said this. I thought
00:42:54.320 this was funny. He said, he's of the Babylon Bee. He said, avowed atheist Rob Reiner. I'm looking for
00:42:59.200 Christians to interview in my documentary, slamming Christians, David French, Phil Fisher, Russell 1.00
00:43:03.440 more, say no more fam. Uh, yeah, that's typically how it goes. And so just be on the, I mean, be on the
00:43:09.300 lookout for this. If you see people sharing this in your life, you got to talk to them. You got to talk
00:43:14.520 to them. You got to hold them by the shoulders and say, look at where the power actually is. They are
00:43:20.240 just trying to ensure that there's no dissent. Uh, any last dissenting voice, uh, to the zeitgeist
00:43:35.620 of progressivism. That's all that's happening here. Like we can have theological debates about some of
00:43:40.880 the theological mistakes that these, uh, actual Christian nationalists are making. Those that you,
00:43:48.140 you know, see January 6th, whatever, making ridiculous claims about America and God,
00:43:52.880 the Bible, we can talk about those things, but let's not pretend that this power or that this
00:43:58.140 movement has any real power. Come on, let's live in reality. Um, but I do want to read you some
00:44:04.120 headlines because this is, this is going to be the line that we hear over and over again,
00:44:09.600 over and over again in 2024, far right. Maga-theocrats, most dangerous threat to America,
00:44:14.860 a former Playboy White House reporter. What? Says Maga and Christian nationalism are bigger 0.62
00:44:20.640 threat to U.S. than Hamas. I can't. Brie is laughing. She's trying to stifle her laughter.
00:44:31.180 Do you, do you want to know, Playboy reporter, what Hamas would do to you? Like you live in this 0.56
00:44:37.060 country right next to all these so-called Christian nationalists and you're just able to live your
00:44:41.620 degenerate life freely without consequence at all. Do you know, do you want to know what would 0.51
00:44:46.600 happen if you went to Palestine? You'd be dead. You'd be dead, boo. Okay. But here you are just 1.00
00:44:55.600 living your life here next to all these scary Christian nationalists. You would be raped and 0.99
00:45:02.600 beheaded by Hamas. You actual insane person. Uh, on the Bill Maher show, Democrat strategist James
00:45:09.840 Carville claims that Speaker Johnson, Speaker Mike Johnson, who is in a lot of hot water for
00:45:15.080 being a Christian who says Christian things, um, and Christian nationalism are a bigger threat to 0.74
00:45:19.720 America than Al Qaeda. They really believe that. James Carville, by the way, is seen as like a
00:45:24.580 moderate, a sane voice among Democrats. That's what you're going to hear in 2024. They are going to be
00:45:31.400 manipulating Christians so hard, uh, telling you that it's fine to be a Christian. Just don't vote like 1.00
00:45:38.020 it. Oh my gosh. You have to repudiate that nonsense as fiercely as you possibly can. And they're going
00:45:43.600 to try so hard to empathy, shame you and say the right and the righteous and the moral and the loving
00:45:50.180 thing to do is just to vote for abortion, vote for transgenderism, vote for a progressive tyranny. 0.94
00:45:55.920 They want so badly full power and to gaslight you into thinking that voting according to your
00:46:00.920 conscience is grabbing for power. You got to call them out and you can't believe a second of it.
00:46:08.020 Okay. So let's take a break from all that craziness and talk about Christmas music.
00:46:22.840 Uh, Brie was like, I'm dying to tell everyone what my least favorite Christmas song is. Um,
00:46:28.520 and we understand that it's going to cause a little bit of controversy, a little bit of controversy
00:46:34.100 because some people are very emotionally attached to this song. Now, Brie, I want you to tell us
00:46:38.520 what is the worst Christmas song and you have to sing it.
00:46:43.340 Brie actually can sing, but she's, she's never, she's never sung for me and I guess she's not
00:46:49.960 going to sing for relatable. So you can not this song. Um, okay. The worst Christmas song is Christmas
00:46:56.780 shoes. Wow. Wow. Why do you hate children? I know, I know, I know people listening are going to be
00:47:03.560 like, but I love that song. It's so sad. And I'm sorry. It is sad. What do you, okay. Explain what
00:47:09.220 you hate about it. And it will, okay. Wait, first, first, first read us some of the lyrics because
00:47:14.040 some people may not know. Okay. Okay. You know what? I will sing it.
00:47:17.860 I want to buy these shoes for my mama, please. Cause it's Christmas Eve and these shoes are just
00:47:27.240 her size. Could you hurry, sir? The doctor, daddy, says there's not much time. And she's been sick
00:47:40.860 for quite a while. She's been sick for quite a while. I know these shoes will make her smile.
00:47:48.660 Oh, this is actually like making, if mama meets Jesus tonight. Well, you know, the whole thing.
00:47:58.540 I mean, we've been listening to it since like 1993. Yeah. True. Before you were born, Brie. Um, okay. So
00:48:05.320 there you go, everyone. If you had never heard it, it is a really sad song, but tell me why you hate it.
00:48:10.480 Okay. The kid has no money, right? Family has no money. Mom's on her deathbed. Yeah. And he chooses
00:48:17.860 to leave, go to a store and buy shoes. So she looks pretty for Jesus. Yeah. Brie. I don't think
00:48:26.640 priorities are right there. Don't think dad should have let him go do that. It's a child, Brie. It's a
00:48:31.200 child. Dad shouldn't have let him go do that. Also, he doesn't even have enough money for the shoes. So he
00:48:36.440 has to beg for them anyway. He is a child trying to make his mother happy on her deathbed. But you
00:48:43.560 know what would make her happy is if he didn't leave to go buy shoes. Brie, he's seven. Okay. Yeah. He's
00:48:51.420 six. Yeah. He's just trying to do something nice for his dying mother. Yeah. I know. It's just
00:48:59.760 wrong. I hope Brie's mom is listening to this. My mom is the one who taught me to hate this song,
00:49:06.380 actually. Oh my gosh. She can't stand it. Oh my gosh. We're on the same page. Okay. I just wanted
00:49:11.780 to play devil's advocate, but I actually, I agree with you just like that it is, what inspired someone
00:49:19.860 to write it? You know? Why is this a Christmas song? Like what is it supposed to do for us? What
00:49:28.240 is it supposed to do for the people listening to it? Yeah. Except for make us like really sad. I think
00:49:33.440 that we, there are better ways to channel our compassion for kids who are actually going through
00:49:39.480 something that's tragic. Maybe it's to remind us that people are going through really difficult
00:49:44.940 things and that we should be kind to them and stuff, but man, it really, it's a very sad song
00:49:49.420 and I don't understand its purpose at Christmas time. That's a much more gracious. Uh, yeah. Yeah.
00:49:56.080 That's much more gracious than my review, which is just that it's a dumb song, but, um, it also it's
00:50:01.500 written from the point of view of the guy who gives the kid money for the shoes. So that's a little
00:50:07.780 self-serving in my opinion. You know what? Here's, here's the take is that it is actually taking away
00:50:13.220 from what Christmas really is about. It kind of is feeding into this secular idea that Christmas
00:50:18.460 is just, it's just about giving. It's just about, it's just about peace, whatever, like
00:50:23.320 these kinds of abstract concepts instead of pointing to like the source of peace, Jesus
00:50:29.260 himself. So it's kind of like a secular song when you think about it. Yeah. Okay. You want
00:50:35.080 to hear my, also Jesus doesn't care what shoes you're wearing when you die. Yeah, I know.
00:50:39.580 Okay. He doesn't have his full theology on lock yet. I know he's six. I know. Yeah. If you want to
00:50:46.300 know the spirit that is driving this show, here's Brie. People are going to be like, wow, Allie is so
00:50:53.700 such a sweet little angel. In comparison. I'm sorry, everyone. I'm sorry. Um, okay. My least
00:51:02.780 favorite Christmas song is last Christmas. Yeah. I gave you my heart. That's a really bad one. That's
00:51:10.580 awful. It's an awful song. So bad. I haven't heard a version that I thought was good, which means it's
00:51:16.360 genuinely not a good song. Taylor Swift hasn't sang it yet. She might have actually, I don't know. And
00:51:22.040 it would be bad if she did. Okay. It would be. It would be. I admit it. I admit it. You can say it.
00:51:27.960 Yeah. That's my least favorite Christmas song. Okay. Um, now I've seen some hot takes this year.
00:51:33.980 Some people are saying, some people are saying that Mariah Carey is overrated.
00:51:42.800 Just that song? I think in general, but maybe. I don't know how you can be overrated if you like
00:51:48.880 only really have one. I mean, I know she has other songs that are popular, but like that's the song.
00:51:53.860 The Mariah heads are going to come after you for saying that. I'm sorry. No, uh, no, but like this
00:51:59.020 is her season, you know, cause of that one song. Yeah. I don't know how you could be over. I don't
00:52:04.360 know. I love that song. I think it's great. Yeah. Uh, I guess I love that song. It reminds me of
00:52:10.200 Love Actually, which honestly, I'm not really, I'm still not sure if I've solidified my opinions
00:52:15.520 of Love Actually. Yeah. I don't know. It's one of my least favorite. It's one of your least
00:52:19.700 favorite. Okay. Why is it one of your least favorite? I just think it, there's a lot of
00:52:24.280 bad messaging in it. I don't think it's well written. I think most of the characters are
00:52:28.640 annoying. Yeah. I know I'm a Debbie Downer in this segment, but I just, I can't stand that movie.
00:52:33.900 What do you like about Christmas? Well, okay. There are great Christmas movies too. And Christmas
00:52:39.500 songs, but it's a wonderful life. Great. Okay. I love the holiday.
00:52:46.360 Oh yeah. That's a great one. Horrible, horrible morality. Okay. I understand. I mean, what Jude
00:52:51.800 Law and Cameron Diaz got going on, I'm not saying that it is like, you know, morally okay, but
00:52:58.740 it's a cute movie. It's really good. Jack Black is my favorite character in that movie. I love
00:53:04.420 him. I love him in like everything he's in. Okay. This is causes contention between my husband
00:53:09.360 and me and that is Home Alone. I don't like Home Alone. Oh, I don't either. My husband loves
00:53:14.580 it. Did he grow up watching it? I think so. Cause I didn't. And I think that's why now
00:53:19.440 I've seen it as an adult. I'm like, I don't get it. No, it makes, it also makes me nervous.
00:53:23.620 Like it makes me nervous as a mom. I'm like, I'm supposed to just watch this and not feel
00:53:28.840 traumatized that this little boy was left at home and is fending off robbers while his parents
00:53:34.860 are in France. That's a great point. I mean, that is like, that's my worst nightmare.
00:53:42.280 That's a good point. I don't like those, those where everything goes wrong movies. You ever
00:53:46.960 watch like Mr. Bean movies? No. Oh, you're missing out. Um, but those just the, the premise is
00:53:53.720 everything is always going wrong and it stresses me out. It's hard to watch. See, that's how my mom
00:53:57.580 feels about The Office. Oh, The Office makes her nervous. Yeah. But I don't feel that way
00:54:03.880 about The Office. I don't either. Yeah. Um, okay. That's all right. Those are our Christmas
00:54:09.800 takes. Any more Christmas takes? Oh, I do have a little, a cute little recommendation. I just
00:54:15.120 saw this movie, The Star. Oh, have you seen that? Uh, no, but it's the cartoon, right? Yeah. It's
00:54:21.340 about a little donkey and he's like self-conscious because he's like abused and he wants to be as
00:54:26.900 important as like a normal horse. And then he becomes the donkey that, that, uh, carries
00:54:32.740 Mary to Bethlehem. And it's really, it's a really sweet story. That's like the book, The
00:54:37.060 Three Trees. Isn't that what that's called? Uh, A Three Tree? Yeah. I think those of you
00:54:43.340 out there, you know what I'm talking about. Um, yeah, I couldn't tell you the entire, the
00:54:48.820 entire story. Um, but anyway, yes, that's really sweet. Yeah. That's sweet. Okay. Um, that's
00:54:55.860 all we got time for. Um, all right. Thanks so much for listening and we will be back here
00:55:11.860 tomorrow.