Ep 926 ｜ The Secret Reason Doctors Push Cancer Drugs ｜ Guest： Suzy Griswold
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Summary
Cancer does not have to be a death sentence in every case. There are ways to take charge of your healing and today we have Susie Griswold, who is the founder of an organization called Healing Strong. She recommends a protocol for cancer healing that has worked for her and many others.
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Cancer does not have to be a death sentence in every case.
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She is the founder of an organization called Healing Strong.
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She recommends a protocol for cancer healing that has worked for her and many, many others.
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Now, this is not an episode that in any way is trying to bash conventional medicine or
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This is simply her perspective and her experience, what helped her heal, not just her body, but
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also her mind and her soul as she used God's word to give her the strength and to give her
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the wisdom to battle cancer and to help others do the same.
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This episode is brought to you by our friends at Good Ranchers.
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Ms. Susie, thank you so much for taking the time to join us.
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For those who don't know, can you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you
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I am the founder and director of Healing Strong.
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And I guess what landed me in this couch was 13 years ago.
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I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and I chose a very different route to healing than the
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But as a result of that, it was very non-traditional.
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And we wanted to share the good news with others.
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So out of that birthed an organization called Healing Strong, which is what we want to share,
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you know, with everyone today, it really is this amazing organization, grassroots organization
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made up of other cancer thrivers who have chosen either an integrative or a holistic approach
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And we just want to share the good news that there is hope and there are choices out there.
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Take us back to when you were first diagnosed with thyroid cancer.
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Well, I actually was going into surgery for a different issue.
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I had seen my OBGYN and she felt some nodules on my thyroid and said, you know what, Susie,
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And so I put it aside because the surgery was, you know, first and foremost.
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But, you know, Allie, there was just something that was bugging me and I felt like, oh, well,
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So I did and they did the biopsy and within a month I was in surgery and it was on both
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They actually didn't sample my lymph nodes at the time, which was a blessing.
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But, you know, at that point I did everything I knew to do because I come from a family where
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12 people before me had been diagnosed with cancer and 10 had died.
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So you can just imagine, I was like, just get it out, do whatever you need to do.
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I completely followed the standard traditional care and they did the thyroidectomy and then
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I did the radioactive iodine and that's when they found it in my lymph nodes.
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So after, you know, afterwards they do scans to make sure everything is, is okay.
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And so when they did the scans, they found it in my lymph nodes, three lymph nodes lit up
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and that's when things changed because, you know, when you look at 12 family members and
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10 had passed away, only my dad and his sister were living.
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I was like, well, there's got to be another way.
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And we just spent a lot of time praying and just really asking the Lord to show us, you
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Because obviously what my family did, um, didn't work.
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So you were told after you got the thyroidectomy, that's where they remove your thyroid.
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So then you have to rely on synthetic thyroid hormone to replace what you are no longer
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And then you went through the radiation and doctors told you, you're going to be fine.
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This, you know, thyroid cancer typically responds really well to radiation.
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Uh, but then as you said, when they scanned you and they found, uh, cancer in your lymph
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nodes, what did they then recommend that you do?
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So, uh, I then began seeing a lot of different doctors.
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So one doctor told me, uh, Susie, it's no big deal.
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We can pluck your lymph nodes out one by one as they pop up.
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And then another one, uh, mentioned radical neck dissection, if it got to that.
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Um, and then towards the summer, I guess they found a lung nodule and I went, that's when
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I got really serious about, um, doing something a little different.
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And I went to this alternative doctor and he recommended chemotherapy.
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And so Allie, at that point, I really, at, I had studied a lot and really prayed my husband
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And someone had sent us a book by Suzanne Summers called Knockout.
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And I, she just recently passed Suzanne Summers did, but, um, I thought what in the world can
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You know, but I read the book because I really respected the person that sent me the book.
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And, um, it was all about what other doctors are doing that are alternative to healing cancer.
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And, uh, I thought, you know, if, if that's really true.
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I remembered when I was in a grad student at UTL Science Center down in Houston, I worked
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for, uh, a cancer research foundation and we worked with the worst cancer.
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They say the worst pancreatic cancer is one of the worst cancer patients or, or cancer diagnosis.
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And, um, we had a patient that was doing really well and his wife came up to me one time during
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their visit and said, Susie, you know what we're doing?
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And I said, what in the heck is a macrobiotic diet?
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I mean, I've been in health and, you know, so it just kind of resonated.
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I went back, I went to the library, looked it up, learned more about it.
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And, um, things like that, Allie, we're starting to come back to my memory bank and, um, I definitely
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chose to, um, step out in faith and do something a little different.
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And that's when, so someone sent me Suzanne Summers, another person sent me the Gerson
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So I went down the whole, you know, research of the Gerson therapy and that's what, that's
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So this was about what year was this that they found it in your lymph nodes and a nodule
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And after they found it in your lymph nodes, did you opt not to do chemotherapy or radiation?
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So you decided to kind of let it rest, which I'm sure that was a little bit scary.
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And I'm sure that there were doctors telling you, um, excuse me, what do you mean you're
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Did you get a lot of pushback from the doctors for that?
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You know, I did more from, I got more pushback from people I loved.
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More from people I love and friends that thought, you know, you're a little bit, you're, why
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You have all these family members that had cancer.
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How in the world can you walk away from what the doctors are recommending?
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Even as you said, that alternative doctor said you need chemotherapy that just wasn't
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And so you were researching, researching, researching.
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You didn't want to die in your early forties from cancer.
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And so tell me what you found that then informed the route that you took.
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And first of all, I think what informed me most was a lot of prayer and seeking God's
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And he was so gracious to send me books and other people that had information for me.
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I had two young children that, you know, that really, I wanted to be around for them.
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We did, you know, soccer every, every time we were turning around, there was just so
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much activity and I just wanted to be there for them, you know?
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And so, um, what really resonated with me was the Gerson therapy.
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And when you look at, uh, Dr. Max Gerson and how he came about healing cancer, I mean, talk
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about in today's world, he is, he's more, um, uh, pushed underneath the, you know, the
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He actually was a Jewish doctor, uh, that was healing, uh, tuberculosis with his Gerson
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His Gerson therapy was birthed out of migraines.
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Uh, he had migraines himself and developed this, this, uh, treatment protocol that was
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And at that time, a million people in Europe had died of, uh, tuberculosis.
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And so people were looking for, um, you know, treatments that would, would do that.
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I can't remember his last name, but he came to Dr.
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Gerson and said, if you can heal, I'm going to put together a study.
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If you can heal, um, out of these 450 people, if you can heal a significant number, I'm going
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to stand behind you and carry the, you know, believe in you and, and believe what the Gerson
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And he ended up healing like 448 or 445 of their 450.
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Well, people started coming to him, especially for chronic degenerative diseases like cancer.
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And he lost all of his siblings, um, in the concentration camps.
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So all of this was going on and it was all, um, you know, plant-based diet.
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It was based on, um, you know, no sodium, um, the metabolism of the cells.
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And a lot of people talk about, um, the alkaline and acidity part of cancer.
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What was really cool about Max Gerson is he dialed it in and realized that, um, the more
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acidic your body is, the higher your hydrogen is in your cells.
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And the more hydrogen you have that repels oxygen and we need oxygen to heal our cells.
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So when I was reading things like that, Allie, I was like, this is really making sense to me.
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He actually, uh, escaped, uh, Nazi Germany and came to the United States.
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And during that time, of course, um, our, the United States, I think in, in the 1950s was
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Um, there was this bill that came about called the Pepper Neely bill.
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They wanted to learn more, invited Dr. Gerson to come.
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I believe he was the first one to be on Capitol Hill presenting, you know, his, um, his therapy
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brought his patients and all of his research and it was remarkable.
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But in the meantime, uh, the media got ahold of it.
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And, you know, people that don't want a Gerson therapy, uh, to replace some of the pharmaceuticals,
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um, stepped in and they actually kind of, um, what's the word, uh, distracted all of the
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And so, um, so just so people know specifically what the Gerson protocol is, it involves a vegan
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diet, uh, eight to 10, uh, juices a day of fresh vegetables, right?
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A lot of people don't, you can probably put two and two together, um, a regimen of supplements,
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reduce stress, uh, rest, meditating and praying on, as you put it on God's healing words.
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He was, as you said, not a Christian, but, uh, you're a Christian.
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And you're saying that he tried to introduce this to America as a healing regimen for all
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kinds of diseases, including cancer, but that he was sabotaged by people who had an interest
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in pharmaceuticals, which is, it's similar to what Chris Wark has said when he's come on
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this podcast about, uh, breast cancer and some of the other healing strategies for that.
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Well, and you know, it's happened, history repeats itself.
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It's that it has a way of repeating itself with what we're going through right now and
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people standing up, you know, against the narrative, it's repeating itself.
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And, um, you know, he studied everything so much.
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He wrote a book, just so you know, he wrote this book, his manuscript was stolen.
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It took another year to write the same book, uh, was poisoned again.
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Um, and so his 50 case studies book, which is what I read is, is remarkable.
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I mean, it's 50 case studies of advanced cancer and how he healed it and it's written for physicians.
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So it's, it was really hard for me to go through it and try to figure things out.
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But Charlotte Gerson was his daughter, has written another book called Healing the Gerson Way.
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The Gerson therapy is actually 10 to 13 uses a day.
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I was a busy mom and I just, I modified it to what I could do.
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I don't recommend necessarily modifying, uh, something tried and true, but I did what I,
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the best I could do with what I had and tried to do as much of the Gerson therapy as possible.
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There was, so you decided, you decided not to do any of the traditional methods of getting
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You decided to commit to this vegan lifestyle to oxygenate your cells.
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And that included all of this juicing, correct?
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Um, there was just so much that made a lot of sense to me.
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You know, uh, a lot of people that are doing alternative therapies are doing things like
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ozone therapy, which is, is a way to oxygenate your therapy and hyper or oxygenate your body
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and hyperbaric therapy is another way, but foods are the best way to oxygenate your cells and
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to, you know, get rid of, um, the things in our body, the toxins in our bodies that build
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You were fully committed to this and then what happened?
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So I did do the radiation and the surgery originally.
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And when it showed up at my lymph nodes, uh, it took a little time.
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And then in the summer after they found the lung nodule, I really committed and I backed
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They were gracious enough to let me step back and work part-time or worked at home.
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I mean, my kids, my kids learned about juicing, right?
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We got rid of our freezer in our, you know, in our, um, uh, garage and we got a refrigerator
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and, you know, we just did what, what we needed to do to heal and talk about removing stress.
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We actually were really active and involved in a church at the time.
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And we kind of stepped back and just, um, we were visiting another church.
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So we took about a year and a half just to step back from that and, um, just, just, you
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And, uh, like I said, eliminate the busyness as much as possible and just focus on what you
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And my kids were just amazing and were so helpful.
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You know, we, we all pitched in and, you know, juiced and we would go shopping at the market,
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And, um, you know, prayer was really important and meditating on God's word.
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At that point, I had never read through the Bible.
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And so I knew little bits from Sunday school and, you know, just doing Bible studies of what
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the word of God said, but I had never read through the Bible from start to finish.
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And so I use that time of, of coffee enemas to, um, listen to the word of God on tape and
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listen to worship, but just really meditate on, you know, what his word said and, you know,
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Um, just what he shows us in the Psalms and it just was a beautiful time.
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I mean, I definitely can say, and Chris work says this too, that cancer, you can be so much
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better on the other side of cancer than you were before.
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And we have since, Allie, Beth, this has been such a journey for us, for our own family.
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Um, both of my kids have Addison's disease and we have implemented what we've learned for
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And their adrenals are just don't function well.
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And so it's a chronic autoimmune disease that they have.
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And, you know, so we've reduced their, you know, their medication substantially.
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And so when you, when you walk kind of this healing out and you embrace the, um, that what
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it can do, not only for you, but for your family, it just changes everything.
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It changes how we look at, you know, Thanksgiving and the holidays.
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It, you know, it changes when my kids come home from college and they need some rest.
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We really just, you know, amp up the juicing and the smoothies.
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And, you know, right now is flu season and we know what to do for flu.
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We're not, you know, it just changes everything about, um, how you look at health and wellness
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Um, and you said that you committed to this very strictly for 18 months.
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So, you know, I started introducing more things that were fun that, um, may not have been,
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So, but as far as your cancer, what was the state of it at this point?
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And I mentioned earlier that I was heading in for surgery for a different reason.
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And that was a hysterectomy because I had fibroid tumors.
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So when you heal from the, you know, when you heal from the inside out, it's not just
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So my triglycerides, my cholesterol was better.
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I have tremors, um, from a head and neck injury when I was 16 and my tremors even got better.
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I mean, it was just, it was just an amazing thing.
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And, you know, the peace of God just, you know, was over our family so much more because
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the healing also was emotional and it was spiritual.
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And so it was just a really great, a great time.
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And how many months after you got the news that it was in your, uh, lymph nodes and then
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later in your lungs, how long after that, what was the cancer gone?
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So the time that I found out my lymph nodes was in December.
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I started dabbling in it in January and did some juicing.
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That was, that was too extreme for me at that time.
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But when they found the lung nodule, which I think was in May, that next May, and I didn't,
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they didn't, you know, biopsy it, but most of my family had died of lung cancer.
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So anytime you mentioned a lung nodule and our family were like, oh, you know,
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this is, so, um, from that point on, um, it took, you know, another 18 months of committing
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completely to the Gerson therapy and the lung nodule shrunk a little bit, but still there,
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but it's not, I haven't had a, a CAT scan about five years of my lungs.
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So, um, but everything, you know, was stable there and all of my lymph nodes healed and it
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And so after that 18 months and then you were healed and you didn't have to do chemotherapy
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or radiation or any of those traditional methods, you said that you started kind of
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So what did that look like and what does it look like all these years later?
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Um, so if I'm going to eat meat, I try to do that.
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Um, when you, when you walk a healing journey out, you know what you need to do if you start
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So I remove the meat or remove the, you know, increase the juicing and do the detox regimen.
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We didn't do smoothies when I was doing the Gerson therapy, but we do smoothies as well.
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You know, we do, uh, fasting is now a part of our regimen.
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So periodically we'll do a three or a five or a 10 day water fast.
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If you're doing it for spiritual reasons, it will, it will reset your mind and really help
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you to feast on God's word and draw closer to him, which I do it for both.
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Um, if you're doing it for physical reasons, it resets your metabolism.
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You know, if you're just a junk food addict, I really recommend a short water fast because
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if you do that and then jump into a diet or a healing regimen, it really will help you
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Um, and the, the cool thing about people don't know this, but, but fasting.
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Let's say for people that are doing chemotherapy, when you fast, your body actually goes into
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So your cells in your body go into protective mode and those unhealthy cells are exposed.
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And so if you are somebody that's doing chemotherapy, I highly recommend that you look into fasting
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before that, because you will fast and then go into whatever treatment it is, whether it's
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high dose vitamin C, whether it's, you know, if you're doing integrative and doing chemotherapy,
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um, your cells, the cells that are unhealthy will weaken and the cells that are healthy
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So it's just, uh, fasting is a remarkable healing tool that God gave us.
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Well, not to go there, but I just want to hear like, what is the benefit?
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Cause some people hear that and they're like, what in the world are you talking about?
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But someone that I follow, actually, she talks about the benefit of this too.
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So yeah, I'm interested to hear like, I mean, what is supposed to be helpful?
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So, so the Gerson therapy, the coffee enemas were a big part of that because you are juicing
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so much, eating so much, um, plant-based food that the toxins in your cells are coming out,
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If you don't get rid of those, you're just going to reabsorb it.
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So when you do coffee enemas, the, the bile stimulation is remarkable.
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And people that are listening to this, if you have a sick liver, you need to get it well.
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And so juicing and coffee enemas are one way that the Gerson therapy, um, address that.
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So glutathione is something that people for years have tried to package and, you know,
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Well, it increases your glutathione by like 600 times, you know, I mean, it's, it's, there's
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so much, the stimulation, the bile, I think is actually what increases 600 times more than
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a normal bile that's going through your system.
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But glutathione also increases and there's palmatic acid.
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There's so much that comes out through the coffee into the portal vein, into your liver
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So coffee enemas were in the Merck manual until 1984.
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So it was in there until 1984 and then they took it out.
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Tell me a little bit more about what God has taught you through all of this, because not
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everyone listening to this is going to take this approach.
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Um, they either have a different perspective or for whatever reason, they might either take
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And so like my mom, for example, she had breast cancer and she did go through radiation, but
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She's been really encouraged by you and Chris, whom we had on a couple of years ago to talk
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Um, but no matter what someone chooses, or maybe they're going the fully traditional medicalized
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route and they're just doing the chemotherapy and radiation, no matter what, there can be a
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spiritual transformation that happens and God can meet the person with cancer where they
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So tell me about what you learned about God and his faithfulness in the midst of this.
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And, you know, anytime that we go through a, um, point of suffering or trauma or something,
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um, when we really press into him, he shows up, he shows up.
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So for me, I shared with you that I never read through the Bible before.
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I understood that, um, his promises are true, but when you read scripture from start to finish,
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you really get to see the character of God, the history of his people, and you can't wait
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And so that was the first time that I read through it.
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But the more that I've read his word, I've realized that Jesus is in scripture from start
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And so from Genesis to revelation, you see our savior.
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And I believe, Allie Beth, that, you know, we can do everything, um, that we know to do.
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I believe that he gave us, you know, we are, this is his temple that he lives in this, his
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Um, I believe that, um, not everybody's going to heal this side of heaven, but if we do everything
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we know to do and we follow his word, his way, we seek his peace and his joy.
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And, um, I believe that, uh, our lives can be a living testimony to him.
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And so I, I think that healing has a purpose in it.
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Um, he has shown me that when I am anxious and weary and have, uh, just, just hard to
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lift my head, that he is right there for me, that he, his word is truth.
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Um, you know, I know that, uh, we healing strong teaches, you know, an anti-cancer lifestyle
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and, uh, a lifestyle that's going to help people to heal physically.
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But if that's all we did was teach them that, and we didn't teach them the true source of
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healing and our savior, then we're just helping them be a little more comfortable in darkness.
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He can heal us by doing, he can heal us by eating 10 crickets, right?
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I believe that he can, he can heal us by doing the Gerson therapy.
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But when I read his word and I see what it says about the herbs and the greens, when I
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see what it says about, um, that bitterness rots the bones, right?
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And unforgiveness is, he talks about that a lot.
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And so all of that really points me to, I've got work to do, you know, if I could feast
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on his, I'm feast on his word, but if I could feast on the Bible, you're right.
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He expects us to put in our body, what is edifying for us physically and edifying for us spiritually.
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So I've just learned that he is very literally, he cares very literally about us physically.
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He cares about our emotional wellbeing and he wants my spirit to connect with him.
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And so it's just been such a beautiful journey.
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You know, we growing up, it's mind, body, spirit, right?
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So we hear those words, but when you walk this journey out of healing for me anyway, it's
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What can I do physically to make my body healthier is if I leave here and I go get a coffee at
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the famous coffee shop down the street with tons of sugar, is that going to feed my body
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If I go to a Mexican food restaurant and eat what I want, is that going to feed my body
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If I'm sick, I really need to pay attention to that because, you know, that's, I need to
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Not to say we don't enjoy Mexican food and things like that now, but I can tell you when
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we are sick, we need to sit up and take notice and know that there are things that we can
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There are choices that we can make at home, you know, uh, that can help us to heal.
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And that's what, that's what Healing Strong focuses on is just, we aim to help people to
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thrive through their cancer, through the choices that they make at home.
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And that includes the spiritual connection with God and what are they doing?
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And to anyone who thinks, because, you know, there are people who say, well, you know, this
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I do just want to read some statistics that you have pointed out before.
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I actually got this from your resources and you have cited all of these things.
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These are not things that you're just pulling out of the hat.
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Um, but I think that this is interesting and just something for people to consider.
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Anyone who has a doubt that maybe there are alternative methods of healing that can bring
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people hope outside of chemotherapy and radiation.
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Just saying there are stories of help and hope elsewhere.
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Um, within the past 50 years, there's only been a 5% drop in the death rate in cancer patients.
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However, the incidence of cancer is growing at an alarming rate.
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In 1975, one out of seven people would be diagnosed with cancer.
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Today, the cancer rate for men is about one out of two.
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And the cancer rate for women is getting close to the same ratio.
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In 2010, the report for the president's cancer panel, a three-person panel that reports to
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the U.S. president on the national cancer program, said approximately 41% of Americans will be diagnosed
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According to the WHO, cancer is a leading cause of death worldwide.
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It is the second most common death in, uh, common, um, cause of death in the United States.
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This reminds me, by the way, this is like a parallel to so many problems in our country
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that have only gotten worse as we have paid more to them, like our education system.
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Since 1971, $2 trillion have been spent on conventional cancer research.
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Uh, 75% of oncologists who were surveyed by the McGill Cancer Center, uh, would not take
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the chemo that they recommend their lung cancer patients.
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Chemotherapeutic drugs are the only classification of drugs that the doctor who prescribed the protocol
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Can you, do you have insight to tell us a little bit more about that?
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And I think you and Chris talked about this too.
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So they have changed that a little bit, but now the workaround for that is that they bring
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So, you know, instead of having an appointment every, you know, once a month, they're going
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But that's truth that the chemotherapy drugs were the only drugs that a physician could
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So they buy them from the pharmaceutical companies, turn around, you come in.
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So they profit from whatever, you know, the, whatever their protocol is, they profit from
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So let's say we're going to prescribe you, you know, three months of chemotherapy.
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It's going to be a hundred thousand dollars, but they only pay.
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And I'm just, I don't know what the, what the cost is.
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Let's say they only pay, you know, 10,000 to the pharmaceutical company.
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And that was interesting to me that, you know, you could go to some oncologist and it
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might cost this much, but others, it might cost this much.
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And, and now the thing is, is that they will bring you in.
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And this is, I think if there's anything that I want to say regarding that is that,
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And when you go into an oncologist's office, be informed, be ready to ask these questions.
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Chris Work has a great, great resource called 20 questions to ask your oncologist, Chris
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So go in ready to ask those questions and know that it's your body.
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And if they're going to have a hard time with you asking these questions, they're going
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to, you know, get upset at you because you're asking all of these questions, bringing up,
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you know, um, the stats like you're bringing up and asking them to address that.
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Um, then you probably need to walk away and find a new doctor.
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I know that this is not what you're doing, but I can just know preemptively what the comments
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Some of the comments, this is not a demonization of all doctors.
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There's not a demonization of all medicine, traditional medicine.
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This is not a demonization of all oncologists by any means.
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I think, I mean, the doctors that I've worked with, they haven't had cancer.
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Thank the Lord, but have been people who really want to help.
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Now, some doctors, uh, don't know about alternative methods or they have been informed in medical
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school that there's no such thing as alternative methods.
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The one doctor that I had in the past, uh, pregnancy that I had was the most integrative
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doctor that I have been around very, I mean, in OBGYN for 40 years, but also extremely trusting
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of women's instincts and women's bodies and alternative, you know, holistic methods of
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And then I've seen the doctors that refuse to listen to their patients and refuse to even
00:37:08.700
have any common sense because, you know, I have, I have hypothyroidism and I have been
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reliably informed from my traditional doctors, my endocrinologist, that there is absolutely
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nothing that you can do as far as your diet or exercise or lifestyle to help your thyroid
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And as someone who didn't go to medical school, I'm just thinking that doesn't even sound like
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So a lot of the, a lot of this is just common sense.
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You don't have to be anti-medicine, anti-doctors, anti-science to say it's probably common sense
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for us to eat healthier if we want to make our bodies better.
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And, you know, it's, it definitely, we're not demonizing traditional medicine.
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There is a place for it, but, but why in the world have, has this, you know, last deck or
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this last a hundred years changed so much for medical care?
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And if you go back and look at medical schools changed in the 19, I don't know, the Flexner
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Uh, he was a teacher and he was hired by the Rockefellers to go and research all the medical,
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They shut down 50% of medical schools because he said there were too many doctors and the
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medical schools that they shut down the most were the ones that, you know, focused on holistic
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or traditional medicine or holistic or, um, homeopathic medicine.
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So I think it's just really important that we, that we research the truth, that we find
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And, um, like I said, I did, I started, you know, my own route out doing traditional, but
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And so, and there are many people out here that know people that have cancer and maybe
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some of them have cancer and they're wondering what to do.
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And if there's anything that I can say is just do your own research and look at, um, Bernie
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Uh, he's, he wrote, love medicine and miracles.
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And he said, you know, we need to study those patients that have done extraordinarily well, not
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the ones that have, you know, that we can measure, um, but the ones who've done extraordinarily
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And when we look at those and that's, that's a summary of his quote, but when we look at
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those patients that have healed stage three and four cancer that only have, like you said,
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a 2.1% or 2.3% chance of survival for five years, what in the world are they doing?
00:39:39.960
You know, what, what did they do that was so different that helped them beat the odds?
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98% of people don't, you know, live beyond five years.
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So why aren't we asking the questions that's, you know, that's, I think that's the important
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thing is do what is best for you, but be a well-informed patient and know that you don't
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If the doctor is not going to come along and partner with you and help you answer those
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questions, this is your body or it's your kid's body.
00:40:09.780
You know, it's, it's, it's your health and it's your wellbeing.
00:40:12.780
And it's so very important that we know that we need to be well-informed patients.
00:40:18.940
When my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer, you know, they tell you that it's, you know,
00:40:24.800
it might just be best to get a double mastectomy.
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And that feels, I think like she would say that that she was tempted to do that at first
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because it just feels like, just get it out of me.
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Just do the most that you have to do so that I don't have cancer.
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But then when you pause, when you pray, when you research, when you talk to people, she
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realized that, well, there's not for her in her case, I'm not speaking for everyone in
00:40:49.020
her case, it didn't increase her chances of survival for her to get a double mastectomy
00:41:00.720
Thankfully she is healing and has healed really well.
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She did go through radiation shorter than was, um, originally recommended, but her doctor
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worked with her and then she has taken on, um, a lot of this protocol as well.
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And it's really been an incredible health transformation for her.
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And so I think that there is a lot of wisdom in talking to second and third opinions, talking
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to people who have healed and what has worked for them and to pause for a second and wisdom
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Because understandably, when someone hears the word cancer, you just want to do the most
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dramatic, or I don't want to say dramatic, like I'm trivializing it, but the most intense
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thing immediately, because that in your mind, I think it makes you feel like that's going
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to be the best healing, but maybe not, but maybe not, it could actually make you worse
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I think how we look at the tumor is, you know, most people have, you know, there are blood
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cancers and then there are, um, cancers like your mom had breast cancer.
00:42:14.200
And there are several people that have put analogies out there that just really stood
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You know, number one is we're in this tumor tizzy where we think we've got to get this
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And there's a, there's a great book called Cancer Step Outside the Box.
00:42:29.740
And in that book, they give a really cool analogy that if you were taking your car to a mechanic
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and the check engine light was on and you drove up and you're like, ah, my check engine
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And the mechanic leaned in, saw it, went and got his hammer, smashed it out, ripped it
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You're, you're well, you're, it's the, the check engine light's off.
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You would never come back to that doc or to that, you know, mechanic again, because of
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the choice that he chose to get rid of what the problem that you saw, which was the check
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engine light and tumors are a check engine light.
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It's not, um, you know, a diabetic, if a diabetic gets gangrene on their foot and the
00:43:16.700
doctor cuts her foot off, he's not healing diabetes, right?
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There are cells in there that have gone rogue, but our body, our liver, our, you know, our
00:43:34.880
metabolism, what we're eating, the sodium potassium balance, the, you know, the things that have
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And if we don't address those things, including the emotional connection and the spiritual,
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And the spiritual, then we're not going to heal.
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So it's, it's all about the whole body, you know?
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And I think that we really, um, especially with, we're seeing more and more cancer, younger,
00:44:00.880
younger people are getting it aggressive cancers right now.
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And it's so important to know that there is, you can heal, but you've got to make choices
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Your, your choice to heal, um, most 30,000 choices.
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So, you know, you sit in a doctor's office for an hour and a half.
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And so what are you going to do to feed your body?
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Well, you know, to reconnect with the Lord, you know, what, what is going to make that
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And, um, and I just really recommend that people really take a step back and go, I need
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And that's, that's when you're going to walk out of this way better on the other side of
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And sometimes obviously the symptoms have to be treated if the tumor is inhibiting the
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But the point is that it goes much deeper than that.
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And even the best and most integrative doctor can't heal you spiritually.
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You talked about the changes that you and your family made holistically.
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You changed your schedule, you changed your responsibilities and the, no matter how great the doctor
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It has to be a commitment to change and a Holy Spirit empowered, uh, discipleship regimen,
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And just really being in tune with them, you know, knowing his word, he will speak with
00:46:11.260
He has a great way of bringing it up just when we need it, you know, and, uh, it's just a,
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it's a wonderful opportunity to make some drastic changes.
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You know, when you get a diagnosis of cancer, any chronic disease to go, okay, this is, you
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know, all right, Lord, you're going to lead us through this.
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We're going to get on the other side of it and I, I know we need to address some things,
00:46:39.140
Well, thank you so much for sharing your story and can you tell people how they can connect
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Because you've, you've created this organization that provides resources, but also provides
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counseling through connection with other people who have gone through this.
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So Healing Strong, uh, is a nonprofit organization.
00:47:06.900
We started 10 years ago and birthed out of my own, um, cancer journey.
00:47:12.080
And there were 10 of us that came together and prayed and said, God, what can we do?
00:47:15.860
We actually ended up doing a holistic conference that was standing room only.
00:47:25.740
We, we realized how powerful it was to come together in community.
00:47:29.620
And so right now we have supported over 500 groups, uh, in the United States, Canada, and
00:47:38.000
Um, people can go on our website to healingstrong.org and they can find a group either online that
00:47:44.460
So we usually have meetings almost every day of the month.
00:47:46.820
They can look at the calendar, uh, or they can look at an online group or an, or an in-person
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group, you know, where they're located, which I, I hope there is one.
00:47:57.580
And so, you know, we have the, the resources, the curriculum, the training, the support, um,
00:48:03.600
we're run 98% mostly by volunteers, um, that have been in the same situation that just want
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Um, and people don't have to be doing just holistic.
00:48:14.240
We have integrated with people that are doing conventional treatments and they just want
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So, you know, we do teach an anti-cancer lifestyle.
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Um, we, we teach plant-based eating for a little while.
00:48:28.880
We teach detoxification, supplementation, emotional healing.
00:48:32.820
We art therapy and music therapy and, you know, things like that, that just really help
00:48:38.080
And then of course, we, um, also have Bible studies that we work with on the Bible app.
00:48:49.340
You just search Healing Strong and we have, and we focus on, you know, on healing and
00:48:55.880
And, um, but my favorite program that we did, uh, the last three years, and we just put it
00:49:01.040
out on an app is called Around the Word in 80 Days.
00:49:04.800
And it was birthed out of, you know, the COVID and what happened during that time.
00:49:09.520
Our groups weren't meeting, but we wanted to read the word together.
00:49:12.540
And so we just came together in community online every single day and we read the word in
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And so we recorded that and it's, it's our community reading the Bible together.
00:49:24.180
And we just encourage people, if you just want to, you know, listen to the word being
00:49:31.060
It's not the same really great voices that are on the Bible app, reading the Bible.
00:49:37.520
We have hiccups when we read it and we laugh and, you know, just, it's just a really great
00:49:42.260
community, but Around the Word in 80 Days, and that can be found on our website, or you
00:49:46.900
can go to AroundTheWordIn80Days.org and it's there as well.
00:49:51.020
But, you know, we just, um, try to focus on rebuilding the body, renewing the soul and
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And I just, I know that the exact right person is going to be listening to this or watching
00:50:10.280
this and they are going to realize maybe for the first time that there is hope and that
00:50:16.080
there are other people who have walked through a journey of healing that maybe the Lord is
00:50:22.600
And so thank you so much for taking the time to come in and share your story.
00:50:26.700
And, um, I just love that he's a God of redemption and he takes what Satan means for evil and makes
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it into something good and something for his glory and the good of other people.