Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 926 ｜ The Secret Reason Doctors Push Cancer Drugs ｜ Guest： Suzy Griswold

00:00:00.760 Cancer does not have to be a death sentence in every case.

00:00:05.820 There are ways to take charge of your healing.

00:00:09.460 And today we've got Susie Griswold.

00:00:11.520 She is the founder of an organization called Healing Strong.

00:00:15.100 She recommends a protocol for cancer healing that has worked for her and many, many others.

00:00:21.320 Now, this is not an episode that in any way is trying to bash conventional medicine or

00:00:28.200 cancer doctors.

00:00:30.440 This is simply her perspective and her experience, what helped her heal, not just her body, but

00:00:37.800 also her mind and her soul as she used God's word to give her the strength and to give her

00:00:43.720 the wisdom to battle cancer and to help others do the same.

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00:00:58.200 Ms. Susie, thank you so much for taking the time to join us.

00:01:09.540 For those who don't know, can you tell us a little bit about who you are and what you

00:01:12.820 do?

00:01:13.220 I would love to.

00:01:14.320 First, thank you so much for having me.

00:01:16.440 Of course.

00:01:16.620 And Beth, it's so great to be here.

00:01:18.840 I am the founder and director of Healing Strong.

00:01:21.980 And I guess what landed me in this couch was 13 years ago.

00:01:25.160 I was diagnosed with thyroid cancer and I chose a very different route to healing than the

00:01:31.300 traditional route.

00:01:32.900 It took about 18 months to heal.

00:01:35.940 But as a result of that, it was very non-traditional.

00:01:39.840 And we wanted to share the good news with others.

00:01:42.860 So out of that birthed an organization called Healing Strong, which is what we want to share,

00:01:48.700 you know, with everyone today, it really is this amazing organization, grassroots organization

00:01:54.320 made up of other cancer thrivers who have chosen either an integrative or a holistic approach

00:02:00.800 to healing.

00:02:01.560 And we just want to share the good news that there is hope and there are choices out there.

00:02:06.380 Yes.

00:02:06.920 Take us back to when you were first diagnosed with thyroid cancer.

00:02:11.820 How did you find out?

00:02:14.340 Well, I actually was going into surgery for a different issue.

00:02:18.400 I had seen my OBGYN and she felt some nodules on my thyroid and said, you know what, Susie,

00:02:24.780 you need to get those checked out.

00:02:26.680 And so I put it aside because the surgery was, you know, first and foremost.

00:02:32.320 But, you know, Allie, there was just something that was bugging me and I felt like, oh, well,

00:02:36.580 maybe I need to check this out.

00:02:38.040 So I did and they did the biopsy and within a month I was in surgery and it was on both

00:02:45.820 sides of my thyroid.

00:02:47.160 They actually didn't sample my lymph nodes at the time, which was a blessing.

00:02:51.400 I'm grateful for that.

00:02:53.520 But, you know, at that point I did everything I knew to do because I come from a family where

00:02:59.320 12 people before me had been diagnosed with cancer and 10 had died.

00:03:04.020 So you can just imagine, I was like, just get it out, do whatever you need to do.

00:03:08.800 And so I did that.

00:03:10.560 I completely followed the standard traditional care and they did the thyroidectomy and then

00:03:16.020 I did the radioactive iodine and that's when they found it in my lymph nodes.

00:03:20.600 So after, you know, afterwards they do scans to make sure everything is, is okay.

00:03:25.220 And so when they did the scans, they found it in my lymph nodes, three lymph nodes lit up

00:03:30.640 and that's when things changed because, you know, when you look at 12 family members and

00:03:35.660 10 had passed away, only my dad and his sister were living.

00:03:39.540 Everyone else had passed away.

00:03:41.740 I was like, well, there's got to be another way.

00:03:44.180 I didn't know what other way there was.

00:03:46.300 And we just spent a lot of time praying and just really asking the Lord to show us, you

00:03:51.920 know, what, what can we do?

00:03:53.840 What can we do different?

00:03:54.700 Because obviously what my family did, um, didn't work.

00:03:59.440 So you were told after you got the thyroidectomy, that's where they remove your thyroid.

00:04:03.760 So then you have to rely on synthetic thyroid hormone to replace what you are no longer

00:04:09.280 getting from your thyroid naturally.

00:04:11.480 And then you went through the radiation and doctors told you, you're going to be fine.

00:04:18.020 This, you know, thyroid cancer typically responds really well to radiation.

00:04:22.500 Uh, but then as you said, when they scanned you and they found, uh, cancer in your lymph

00:04:28.180 nodes, what did they then recommend that you do?

00:04:31.500 Yeah.

00:04:31.820 So, uh, I then began seeing a lot of different doctors.

00:04:35.700 I wanted second and third and fourth opinions.

00:04:38.380 So one doctor told me, uh, Susie, it's no big deal.

00:04:41.340 We can pluck your lymph nodes out one by one as they pop up.

00:04:44.500 Not a good idea to me.

00:04:46.240 And then another one, uh, mentioned radical neck dissection, if it got to that.

00:04:51.980 Um, and then towards the summer, I guess they found a lung nodule and I went, that's when

00:04:59.320 I got really serious about, um, doing something a little different.

00:05:03.820 And I went to this alternative doctor and he recommended chemotherapy.

00:05:08.060 And so Allie, at that point, I really, at, I had studied a lot and really prayed my husband

00:05:14.960 and I are Christians and we've really prayed.

00:05:17.560 And someone had sent us a book by Suzanne Summers called Knockout.

00:05:21.860 And I, she just recently passed Suzanne Summers did, but, um, I thought what in the world can

00:05:27.560 Chrissy teach me about cancer?

00:05:29.680 You know, but I read the book because I really respected the person that sent me the book.

00:05:34.240 And, um, it was all about what other doctors are doing that are alternative to healing cancer.

00:05:41.220 And, uh, I thought, you know, if, if that's really true.

00:05:44.880 And I remembered, I'll tell you this story.

00:05:47.500 I remembered when I was in a grad student at UTL Science Center down in Houston, I worked

00:05:52.620 for, uh, a cancer research foundation and we worked with the worst cancer.

00:05:57.500 They say the worst pancreatic cancer is one of the worst cancer patients or, or cancer diagnosis.

00:06:03.520 And, um, we had a patient that was doing really well and his wife came up to me one time during

00:06:10.460 their visit and said, Susie, you know what we're doing?

00:06:12.920 I said, what?

00:06:13.560 She said, we're doing a macrobiotic diet.

00:06:15.180 And I said, what in the heck is a macrobiotic diet?

00:06:18.340 I mean, I've been in health and, you know, so it just kind of resonated.

00:06:22.040 I went back, I went to the library, looked it up, learned more about it.

00:06:25.840 And, um, things like that, Allie, we're starting to come back to my memory bank and, um, I definitely

00:06:33.380 chose to, um, step out in faith and do something a little different.

00:06:37.960 And that's when, so someone sent me Suzanne Summers, another person sent me the Gerson

00:06:42.900 therapy and that really resonated with me.

00:06:46.160 So I went down the whole, you know, research of the Gerson therapy and that's what, that's

00:06:51.240 what sat well with me.

00:06:52.160 And I did that.

00:06:53.100 So this was about what year was this that they found it in your lymph nodes and a nodule

00:06:57.860 in your lung?

00:06:58.440 Yeah.

00:06:58.640 So 2009 was the lymph nodes.

00:07:01.020 Okay.

00:07:01.420 And then in 2010, they found the lung nodule.

00:07:04.760 And after they found it in your lymph nodes, did you opt not to do chemotherapy or radiation?

00:07:10.800 That's right.

00:07:11.280 Yeah.

00:07:11.400 So you decided to kind of let it rest, which I'm sure that was a little bit scary.

00:07:15.820 And I'm sure that there were doctors telling you, um, excuse me, what do you mean you're

00:07:20.320 not going to do anything about this right now?

00:07:23.000 Did you get a lot of pushback from the doctors for that?

00:07:26.420 You know, I did more from, I got more pushback from people I loved.

00:07:31.860 Yeah.

00:07:32.420 More from people.

00:07:33.280 Yeah.

00:07:33.360 Because they love you.

00:07:33.960 Right.

00:07:34.440 Yeah.

00:07:34.620 More from people I love and friends that thought, you know, you're a little bit, you're, why

00:07:38.800 are you doing this?

00:07:39.520 You have all these family members that had cancer.

00:07:42.760 How in the world can you walk away from what the doctors are recommending?

00:07:47.520 And how old were you at this point?

00:07:49.340 So, oh Lord, this was in 2009.

00:07:52.100 I think I was in my forties, early forties.

00:07:55.160 So this was 14 years ago.

00:07:56.980 I'm 50, almost 57.

00:07:58.620 So yeah.

00:07:59.440 Yeah.

00:08:00.220 Yeah.

00:08:00.580 Okay.

00:08:01.080 So 43.

00:08:02.080 Let's do the math.

00:08:03.040 Okay.

00:08:03.580 The doctors said, you need chemotherapy.

00:08:07.780 Even as you said, that alternative doctor said you need chemotherapy that just wasn't

00:08:12.760 sitting well with you.

00:08:13.720 And so you were researching, researching, researching.

00:08:16.760 And what did you finally decide to do?

00:08:19.240 Because obviously you wanted to heal.

00:08:21.080 You didn't want to die in your early forties from cancer.

00:08:23.960 And so tell me what you found that then informed the route that you took.

00:08:29.420 Yeah.

00:08:30.000 Well, I was a researcher.

00:08:31.440 And first of all, I think what informed me most was a lot of prayer and seeking God's

00:08:38.740 peace in whatever direction it was.

00:08:41.260 And he was so gracious to send me books and other people that had information for me.

00:08:47.880 And my kids were a motivation for me.

00:08:49.720 I had two young children that, you know, that really, I wanted to be around for them.

00:08:55.800 I didn't want to, you know, be sick.

00:08:57.720 They were active.

00:08:58.600 We did, you know, soccer every, every time we were turning around, there was just so

00:09:02.960 much activity and I just wanted to be there for them, you know?

00:09:06.820 And so, um, what really resonated with me was the Gerson therapy.

00:09:11.180 So I really dug into that research.

00:09:13.660 And when you look at, uh, Dr. Max Gerson and how he came about healing cancer, I mean, talk

00:09:21.540 about in today's world, he is, he's more, um, uh, pushed underneath the, you know, the

00:09:29.060 carpet than any other doctor today.

00:09:31.220 And that was 60 plus years ago.

00:09:33.580 And so, um, Dr. Max.

00:09:35.200 I don't know anything about him.

00:09:36.420 Well, he's an amazing, incredible doctor.

00:09:39.020 He was in World War II, um, helping.

00:09:41.200 He actually was a Jewish doctor, uh, that was healing, uh, tuberculosis with his Gerson 0.91

00:09:47.580 therapy.

00:09:48.140 His Gerson therapy was birthed out of migraines.

00:09:51.160 Uh, he had migraines himself and developed this, this, uh, treatment protocol that was

00:09:56.840 very successful with other chronic diseases.

00:09:59.440 And at that time, a million people in Europe had died of, uh, tuberculosis.

00:10:04.740 And so people were looking for, um, you know, treatments that would, would do that.

00:10:10.260 I believe it was Dr. Fernandian.

00:10:11.820 I can't remember his last name, but he came to Dr.

00:10:14.940 Gerson and said, if you can heal, I'm going to put together a study.

00:10:18.480 If you can heal, um, out of these 450 people, if you can heal a significant number, I'm going

00:10:25.080 to stand behind you and carry the, you know, believe in you and, and believe what the Gerson

00:10:29.780 therapy is about.

00:10:30.700 And he ended up healing like 448 or 445 of their 450.

00:10:37.600 This is incurable tuberculosis.

00:10:40.460 Wow.

00:10:40.880 Well, people started coming to him, especially for chronic degenerative diseases like cancer.

00:10:46.460 And so he was healing those with cancer.

00:10:49.180 And this is like mid-century.

00:10:50.560 This, and this is during World War II.

00:10:52.360 Oh, this is still during, okay.

00:10:53.660 And he lost all of his siblings, um, in the concentration camps.

00:10:57.980 So all of this was going on and it was all, um, you know, plant-based diet.

00:11:03.220 Uh, it was, you know, a lot of detoxification.

00:11:06.340 It was based on, um, you know, no sodium, um, the metabolism of the cells.

00:11:14.540 I mean, he just studied what worked.

00:11:17.380 And a lot of people talk about, um, the alkaline and acidity part of cancer.

00:11:24.100 What was really cool about Max Gerson is he dialed it in and realized that, um, the more

00:11:29.900 acidic your body is, the higher your hydrogen is in your cells.

00:11:34.280 And the more hydrogen you have that repels oxygen and we need oxygen to heal our cells.

00:11:40.860 So when I was reading things like that, Allie, I was like, this is really making sense to me.

00:11:45.160 So he studied his, um, you know, his protocol.

00:11:49.500 He actually, uh, escaped, uh, Nazi Germany and came to the United States.

00:11:54.780 And during that time, of course, um, our, the United States, I think in, in the 1950s was

00:12:01.900 looking for a cure for cancer.

00:12:03.920 Um, there was this bill that came about called the Pepper Neely bill.

00:12:07.240 They wanted to learn more, invited Dr. Gerson to come.

00:12:10.300 I believe he was the first one to be on Capitol Hill presenting, you know, his, um, his therapy

00:12:16.980 brought his patients and all of his research and it was remarkable.

00:12:20.540 And he showed that people had healed.

00:12:22.980 But in the meantime, uh, the media got ahold of it.

00:12:26.520 And, you know, people that don't want a Gerson therapy, uh, to replace some of the pharmaceuticals,

00:12:33.400 um, stepped in and they actually kind of, um, what's the word, uh, distracted all of the

00:12:40.360 media from being a part of it.

00:12:42.240 And so, um, so just so people know specifically what the Gerson protocol is, it involves a vegan

00:12:49.000 diet, uh, eight to 10, uh, juices a day of fresh vegetables, right?

00:12:56.160 Uh, two to three coffee enemas.

00:12:58.480 Now I know what that is.

00:12:59.880 A lot of people don't, you can probably put two and two together, um, a regimen of supplements,

00:13:05.660 reduce stress, uh, rest, meditating and praying on, as you put it on God's healing words.

00:13:12.260 He was, as you said, not a Christian, but, uh, you're a Christian.

00:13:16.140 So meditating on God's healing words.

00:13:19.120 So that was the protocol.

00:13:21.640 And you're saying that he tried to introduce this to America as a healing regimen for all

00:13:28.860 kinds of diseases, including cancer, but that he was sabotaged by people who had an interest

00:13:34.700 in pharmaceuticals, which is, it's similar to what Chris Wark has said when he's come on

00:13:40.560 this podcast about, uh, breast cancer and some of the other healing strategies for that.

00:13:46.600 So that's really interesting.

00:13:47.680 Well, and you know, it's happened, history repeats itself.

00:13:52.700 It's that it has a way of repeating itself with what we're going through right now and

00:13:55.920 people standing up, you know, against the narrative, it's repeating itself.

00:14:00.320 And that's exactly what Dr. Max Gerson did.

00:14:03.640 And, um, you know, he studied everything so much.

00:14:06.960 He wrote a book, just so you know, he wrote this book, his manuscript was stolen.

00:14:11.560 He was poisoned, almost died.

00:14:14.760 And, um, he lived through it.

00:14:17.580 It took another year to write the same book, uh, was poisoned again.

00:14:22.480 They found arsenic in his system and he died.

00:14:24.820 Um, and so his 50 case studies book, which is what I read is, is remarkable.

00:14:30.940 I mean, it's 50 case studies of advanced cancer and how he healed it and it's written for physicians.

00:14:36.940 So it's, it was really hard for me to go through it and try to figure things out.

00:14:40.480 But Charlotte Gerson was his daughter, has written another book called Healing the Gerson Way.

00:14:45.560 And so I read that book as well.

00:14:47.480 And so what you just read was my protocol.

00:14:50.020 I modified it a little bit.

00:14:51.480 The Gerson therapy is actually 10 to 13 uses a day.

00:14:55.020 I did eight to 10.

00:14:56.420 I was a busy mom and I just, I modified it to what I could do.

00:14:59.900 I don't recommend necessarily modifying, uh, something tried and true, but I did what I,

00:15:05.000 the best I could do with what I had and tried to do as much of the Gerson therapy as possible.

00:15:09.780 There was, so you decided, you decided not to do any of the traditional methods of getting

00:15:17.400 rid of your cancer.

00:15:18.740 You decided to commit to this vegan lifestyle to oxygenate your cells.

00:15:23.460 That's what Gerson purports, right?

00:15:25.780 And that included all of this juicing, correct?

00:15:29.360 That's right.

00:15:29.760 That's how you oxygenate your cells.

00:15:31.460 That's how you detox your cells.

00:15:34.040 Um, there was just so much that made a lot of sense to me.

00:15:37.380 You know, uh, a lot of people that are doing alternative therapies are doing things like

00:15:42.440 ozone therapy, which is, is a way to oxygenate your therapy and hyper or oxygenate your body

00:15:47.260 and hyperbaric therapy is another way, but foods are the best way to oxygenate your cells and

00:15:54.240 to, you know, get rid of, um, the things in our body, the toxins in our bodies that build

00:15:59.800 up.

00:16:00.060 So he focused on the food first.

00:16:02.860 Tell us about your specific journey.

00:16:18.220 You were fully committed to this and then what happened?

00:16:21.280 Yeah, I was fully committed.

00:16:22.400 So I did do the radiation and the surgery originally.

00:16:27.000 And when it showed up at my lymph nodes, uh, it took a little time.

00:16:30.560 And then in the summer after they found the lung nodule, I really committed and I backed

00:16:36.300 off everything.

00:16:37.140 I, um, was working full time.

00:16:39.380 They were gracious enough to let me step back and work part-time or worked at home.

00:16:44.000 So I made fresh juices every day.

00:16:46.420 It changed our whole lifestyle.

00:16:47.740 I mean, my kids, my kids learned about juicing, right?

00:16:51.000 We got rid of our freezer in our, you know, in our, um, uh, garage and we got a refrigerator

00:16:56.560 and, you know, we just did what, what we needed to do to heal and talk about removing stress.

00:17:03.220 We actually were really active and involved in a church at the time.

00:17:06.680 And we kind of stepped back and just, um, we were visiting another church.

00:17:10.760 So we took about a year and a half just to step back from that and, um, just, just, you

00:17:16.560 know, take everything in.

00:17:18.060 And, uh, like I said, eliminate the busyness as much as possible and just focus on what you

00:17:23.220 need to focus on.

00:17:24.020 That's right.

00:17:24.420 Yeah.

00:17:24.760 And my kids were just amazing and were so helpful.

00:17:27.740 You know, we, we all pitched in and, you know, juiced and we would go shopping at the market,

00:17:33.280 you know, over the weekend.

00:17:34.780 And, um, you know, prayer was really important and meditating on God's word.

00:17:39.580 At that point, I had never read through the Bible.

00:17:41.780 And so I knew little bits from Sunday school and, you know, just doing Bible studies of what

00:17:47.620 the word of God said, but I had never read through the Bible from start to finish.

00:17:52.120 And that changed my life.

00:17:54.380 And so I use that time of, of coffee enemas to, um, listen to the word of God on tape and

00:18:01.900 listen to worship, but just really meditate on, you know, what his word said and, you know,

00:18:08.120 that, that he can heal me.

00:18:10.160 Um, Psalm 23 was huge for my own healing.

00:18:13.160 Um, just what he shows us in the Psalms and it just was a beautiful time.

00:18:18.860 I mean, I definitely can say, and Chris work says this too, that cancer, you can be so much

00:18:23.740 better on the other side of cancer than you were before.

00:18:26.880 And we have since, Allie, Beth, this has been such a journey for us, for our own family.

00:18:32.720 Um, both of my kids have Addison's disease and we have implemented what we've learned for

00:18:37.920 the Gerson therapy with theirs.

00:18:39.480 I don't know what that is.

00:18:40.540 Yeah.

00:18:40.720 And their adrenals are just don't function well.

00:18:43.620 And so it's a chronic autoimmune disease that they have.

00:18:46.840 And, you know, so we've reduced their, you know, their medication substantially.

00:18:51.340 And of course they're grown men now.

00:18:53.460 So, you know, they, um, they know what to do.

00:18:56.320 And so when you, when you walk kind of this healing out and you embrace the, um, that what

00:19:02.560 it can do, not only for you, but for your family, it just changes everything.

00:19:06.660 It changes how we look at, you know, Thanksgiving and the holidays.

00:19:10.340 It, you know, it changes when my kids come home from college and they need some rest.

00:19:14.880 We really just, you know, amp up the juicing and the smoothies.

00:19:18.680 And, you know, right now is flu season and we know what to do for flu.

00:19:22.480 We're not afraid of it.

00:19:23.520 We're not afraid of COVID.

00:19:24.400 We're not, you know, it just changes everything about, um, how you look at health and wellness

00:19:30.440 and address that.

00:19:31.940 Um, and you said that you committed to this very strictly for 18 months.

00:19:37.780 What happened at the end of the 18 months?

00:19:39.740 Yeah.

00:19:39.980 So, you know, I started introducing more things that were fun that, um, may not have been,

00:19:46.180 you know, on the Gerson therapy.

00:19:47.640 So, but as far as your cancer, what was the state of it at this point?

00:19:52.280 It was gone.

00:19:53.480 Okay.

00:19:53.880 Everything was gone.

00:19:55.580 Everything healed.

00:19:56.420 And I mentioned earlier that I was heading in for surgery for a different reason.

00:20:00.680 And that was a hysterectomy because I had fibroid tumors.

00:20:03.880 They were healed.

00:20:05.160 So when you heal from the, you know, when you heal from the inside out, it's not just

00:20:09.880 cancer that's going to heal. 0.96

00:20:11.200 Right.

00:20:11.880 So everything healed.

00:20:13.480 So my triglycerides, my cholesterol was better.

00:20:16.780 Um, you know, my tremors got better.

00:20:18.740 I have tremors, um, from a head and neck injury when I was 16 and my tremors even got better.

00:20:24.440 I mean, it was just, it was just an amazing thing.

00:20:26.940 And, you know, the peace of God just, you know, was over our family so much more because

00:20:32.900 the healing also was emotional and it was spiritual.

00:20:36.020 And so it was just a really great, a great time.

00:20:39.700 And how many months after you got the news that it was in your, uh, lymph nodes and then

00:20:46.020 later in your lungs, how long after that, what was the cancer gone?

00:20:51.640 So the, let me just tell you.

00:20:54.380 So the time that I found out my lymph nodes was in December.

00:20:57.840 I started full on the Gerson therapy.

00:21:00.440 I started dabbling in it in January and did some juicing.

00:21:03.860 I wouldn't do the detox regimen.

00:21:05.620 That was, that was too extreme for me at that time.

00:21:08.400 But when they found the lung nodule, which I think was in May, that next May, and I didn't,

00:21:13.720 they didn't, you know, biopsy it, but most of my family had died of lung cancer.

00:21:18.120 So anytime you mentioned a lung nodule and our family were like, oh, you know,

00:21:21.560 this is, so, um, from that point on, um, it took, you know, another 18 months of committing

00:21:29.780 completely to the Gerson therapy and the lung nodule shrunk a little bit, but still there,

00:21:36.200 but it's not, I haven't had a, a CAT scan about five years of my lungs.

00:21:40.160 So, um, but everything, you know, was stable there and all of my lymph nodes healed and it

00:21:47.800 was just, yeah, yeah, really great.

00:21:50.100 Yeah.

00:21:50.740 And so after that 18 months and then you were healed and you didn't have to do chemotherapy

00:21:56.120 or radiation or any of those traditional methods, you said that you started kind of

00:22:00.460 reintroducing something.

00:22:02.280 So what did that look like and what does it look like all these years later?

00:22:06.120 Yeah.

00:22:06.460 So it's been 13 years since I began.

00:22:09.720 Um, we eat a lot of, I eat a lot of fish.

00:22:12.180 I love fish.

00:22:13.360 Um, so if I'm going to eat meat, I try to do that.

00:22:17.400 Um, when you, when you walk a healing journey out, you know what you need to do if you start

00:22:22.500 feeling run down.

00:22:23.360 So I remove the meat or remove the, you know, increase the juicing and do the detox regimen.

00:22:29.900 So it's still as regular.

00:22:31.640 I juice regularly every day.

00:22:33.620 We still juice.

00:22:34.880 We juice in our family a lot.

00:22:36.460 We, we do smoothies now.

00:22:37.840 We didn't do smoothies when I was doing the Gerson therapy, but we do smoothies as well.

00:22:42.320 Um, yeah, we, we just eat healthier.

00:22:46.200 You know, we do, uh, fasting is now a part of our regimen.

00:22:49.520 So we do intermittent fasting.

00:22:51.940 Um, and we also do water fasting.

00:22:54.300 So periodically we'll do a three or a five or a 10 day water fast.

00:22:58.700 And what's the benefit of that?

00:23:00.360 Yeah.

00:23:00.560 So the water fasting just resets everything.

00:23:03.160 It resets.

00:23:04.540 If you're doing it for spiritual reasons, it will, it will reset your mind and really help

00:23:09.420 you to feast on God's word and draw closer to him, which I do it for both.

00:23:14.620 Um, if you're doing it for physical reasons, it resets your metabolism.

00:23:18.200 It resets your, your desire for sweets.

00:23:21.100 You know, if you're just a junk food addict, I really recommend a short water fast because

00:23:26.660 if you do that and then jump into a diet or a healing regimen, it really will help you

00:23:31.980 jumpstart that.

00:23:33.900 Um, and the, the cool thing about people don't know this, but, but fasting.

00:23:39.420 Let's say for people that are doing chemotherapy, when you fast, your body actually goes into

00:23:44.560 protective mode.

00:23:45.560 So your cells in your body go into protective mode and those unhealthy cells are exposed.

00:23:52.720 And so if you are somebody that's doing chemotherapy, I highly recommend that you look into fasting

00:23:58.100 before that, because you will fast and then go into whatever treatment it is, whether it's

00:24:03.980 high dose vitamin C, whether it's, you know, if you're doing integrative and doing chemotherapy,

00:24:09.040 um, your cells, the cells that are unhealthy will weaken and the cells that are healthy

00:24:15.180 go into protective mode.

00:24:16.980 So it's just, uh, fasting is a remarkable healing tool that God gave us.

00:24:22.200 And tell us about coffee enemas.

00:24:25.100 Really?

00:24:25.680 You want to talk to them?

00:24:26.460 Well, not to go there, but I just want to hear like, what is the benefit?

00:24:30.780 Cause some people hear that and they're like, what in the world are you talking about?

00:24:34.060 But someone that I follow, actually, she talks about the benefit of this too.

00:24:38.200 So yeah, I'm interested to hear like, I mean, what is supposed to be helpful?

00:24:43.220 Yeah.

00:24:43.920 So, so the Gerson therapy, the coffee enemas were a big part of that because you are juicing

00:24:49.640 so much, eating so much, um, plant-based food that the toxins in your cells are coming out,

00:24:56.580 you know, so you need to get rid of those.

00:24:58.980 If you don't get rid of those, you're just going to reabsorb it.

00:25:01.900 So when you do coffee enemas, the, the bile stimulation is remarkable.

00:25:07.580 And people that are listening to this, if you have a sick liver, you need to get it well.

00:25:11.780 And so juicing and coffee enemas are one way that the Gerson therapy, um, address that.

00:25:18.620 So yeah, your bile stimulates it.

00:25:21.400 So glutathione is something that people for years have tried to package and, you know,

00:25:27.220 put in a capsule because it's anti-aging.

00:25:30.080 Well, it increases your glutathione by like 600 times, you know, I mean, it's, it's, there's

00:25:35.880 so much, the stimulation, the bile, I think is actually what increases 600 times more than

00:25:41.480 a normal bile that's going through your system.

00:25:44.020 But glutathione also increases and there's palmatic acid.

00:25:47.720 There's so much that comes out through the coffee into the portal vein, into your liver

00:25:52.420 that really detoxes your liver.

00:25:54.620 And just a fun fact.

00:25:56.500 So coffee enemas were in the Merck manual until 1984.

00:26:00.580 That's our medical journal.

00:26:02.220 You know, it's our medical manual.

00:26:03.580 So it was in there until 1984 and then they took it out.

00:26:08.260 That's very interesting.

00:26:09.680 Tell me a little bit more about what God has taught you through all of this, because not

00:26:28.180 everyone listening to this is going to take this approach.

00:26:32.240 Um, they either have a different perspective or for whatever reason, they might either take

00:26:36.040 more integrative approach.

00:26:37.340 And so like my mom, for example, she had breast cancer and she did go through radiation, but

00:26:43.080 she also is a vegan.

00:26:44.480 She does a lot of juicing.

00:26:45.780 She's been really encouraged by you and Chris, whom we had on a couple of years ago to talk

00:26:50.360 about the same, uh, the same thing.

00:26:53.120 Um, but no matter what someone chooses, or maybe they're going the fully traditional medicalized

00:26:58.740 route and they're just doing the chemotherapy and radiation, no matter what, there can be a

00:27:03.240 spiritual transformation that happens and God can meet the person with cancer where they

00:27:07.780 are.

00:27:08.200 So tell me about what you learned about God and his faithfulness in the midst of this.

00:27:14.360 Yeah, so much.

00:27:16.680 He is such a good, he is such a good father.

00:27:19.620 And, you know, anytime that we go through a, um, point of suffering or trauma or something,

00:27:26.300 um, when we really press into him, he shows up, he shows up.

00:27:30.680 So for me, I shared with you that I never read through the Bible before.

00:27:35.160 So I understood that God was good.

00:27:38.480 I understood that, um, his promises are true, but when you read scripture from start to finish,

00:27:44.240 you really get to see the character of God, the history of his people, and you can't wait

00:27:50.400 for Jesus to show up in the new Testament.

00:27:53.920 And so that was the first time that I read through it.

00:27:56.020 But the more that I've read his word, I've realized that Jesus is in scripture from start

00:28:02.100 to finish.

00:28:02.920 And so from Genesis to revelation, you see our savior.

00:28:07.160 And I believe, Allie Beth, that, you know, we can do everything, um, that we know to do.

00:28:13.000 I believe that he gave us, you know, we are, this is his temple that he lives in this, his

00:28:17.940 Holy spirit lives.

00:28:18.900 So we need to take care of it.

00:28:20.180 Um, I believe that, um, not everybody's going to heal this side of heaven, but if we do everything

00:28:26.900 we know to do and we follow his word, his way, we seek his peace and his joy.

00:28:32.580 And, um, I believe that, uh, our lives can be a living testimony to him.

00:28:38.340 And so I, I think that healing has a purpose in it.

00:28:42.000 He's definitely shown me that.

00:28:43.500 Um, he has shown me that when I am anxious and weary and have, uh, just, just hard to

00:28:51.440 lift my head, that he is right there for me, that he, his word is truth.

00:28:56.000 And he tells me to come to him.

00:28:58.140 Um, you know, I know that, uh, we healing strong teaches, you know, an anti-cancer lifestyle

00:29:05.500 and, uh, a lifestyle that's going to help people to heal physically.

00:29:09.800 But if that's all we did was teach them that, and we didn't teach them the true source of

00:29:15.220 healing and our savior, then we're just helping them be a little more comfortable in darkness.

00:29:20.020 And so I, I really think he is the healer.

00:29:23.260 He can heal us by doing, he can heal us by eating 10 crickets, right?

00:29:28.460 There are people that do that.

00:29:29.720 He can heal us by doing chemo and radio.

00:29:32.220 I believe that he can, he can heal us by doing the Gerson therapy. 0.97

00:29:35.900 But when I read his word and I see what it says about the herbs and the greens, when I

00:29:42.780 see what it says about, um, that bitterness rots the bones, right?

00:29:48.980 And unforgiveness is, he talks about that a lot.

00:29:52.300 Makes you sick.

00:29:52.720 Right.

00:29:53.020 It makes us sick.

00:29:54.540 I believe his word is a very literal truth.

00:29:57.400 And so all of that really points me to, I've got work to do, you know, if I could feast

00:30:05.080 on his, I'm feast on his word, but if I could feast on the Bible, you're right.

00:30:10.260 I can't make a meal out of the Bible. 0.99

00:30:12.280 He expects us to put in our body, what is edifying for us physically and edifying for us spiritually.

00:30:21.000 So I've just learned that he is very literally, he cares very literally about us physically.

00:30:27.140 He cares about our emotional wellbeing and he wants my spirit to connect with him.

00:30:34.060 And so it's just been such a beautiful journey.

00:30:37.120 You know, we growing up, it's mind, body, spirit, right?

00:30:39.780 So we hear those words, but when you walk this journey out of healing for me anyway, it's

00:30:45.080 very literal.

00:30:46.180 How, how am I going to heal physically?

00:30:48.500 What can I do physically to make my body healthier is if I leave here and I go get a coffee at

00:30:54.900 the famous coffee shop down the street with tons of sugar, is that going to feed my body 0.96

00:30:59.680 health?

00:31:00.460 If I go to a Mexican food restaurant and eat what I want, is that going to feed my body

00:31:05.780 health?

00:31:06.760 If I'm sick, I really need to pay attention to that because, you know, that's, I need to

00:31:12.480 do everything I can to, to heal my body.

00:31:14.780 Not to say we don't enjoy Mexican food and things like that now, but I can tell you when

00:31:19.580 we are sick, we need to sit up and take notice and know that there are things that we can

00:31:24.100 do.

00:31:24.340 There are choices that we can make at home, you know, uh, that can help us to heal.

00:31:28.800 And that's what, that's what Healing Strong focuses on is just, we aim to help people to

00:31:34.180 thrive through their cancer, through the choices that they make at home.

00:31:37.540 And that includes the spiritual connection with God and what are they doing?

00:31:42.000 And ultimately he's given us his word.

00:31:44.040 It's right there for us.

00:31:45.820 Yeah.

00:31:46.460 And to anyone who thinks, because, you know, there are people who say, well, you know, this

00:31:51.380 is kooky.

00:31:52.500 It's anti-science, anti-medicine.

00:31:54.360 I do just want to read some statistics that you have pointed out before.

00:31:58.940 I actually got this from your resources and you have cited all of these things.

00:32:04.820 These are not things that you're just pulling out of the hat.

00:32:07.920 Um, but I think that this is interesting and just something for people to consider.

00:32:11.280 Anyone who has a doubt that maybe there are alternative methods of healing that can bring

00:32:15.960 people hope outside of chemotherapy and radiation.

00:32:19.080 I'm not a doctor.

00:32:20.120 I'm not prescribing that for anyone.

00:32:22.180 Just saying there are stories of help and hope elsewhere.

00:32:26.080 Um, within the past 50 years, there's only been a 5% drop in the death rate in cancer patients.

00:32:32.000 However, the incidence of cancer is growing at an alarming rate.

00:32:36.260 In 1975, one out of seven people would be diagnosed with cancer.

00:32:40.080 Today, the cancer rate for men is about one out of two.

00:32:44.900 And the cancer rate for women is getting close to the same ratio.

00:32:49.420 In 2010, the report for the president's cancer panel, a three-person panel that reports to

00:32:53.440 the U.S. president on the national cancer program, said approximately 41% of Americans will be diagnosed

00:32:58.340 with cancer during their lifetime.

00:33:00.360 According to the WHO, cancer is a leading cause of death worldwide.

00:33:04.240 It is the second most common death in, uh, common, um, cause of death in the United States.

00:33:11.440 Now, here's the other side of that.

00:33:13.820 This reminds me, by the way, this is like a parallel to so many problems in our country

00:33:18.960 that have only gotten worse as we have paid more to them, like our education system.

00:33:23.100 Since 1971, $2 trillion have been spent on conventional cancer research.

00:33:29.300 $2 trillion in the past 50 years.

00:33:33.620 Uh, 75% of oncologists who were surveyed by the McGill Cancer Center, uh, would not take

00:33:40.080 the chemo that they recommend their lung cancer patients.

00:33:44.920 Chemotherapeutic drugs are the only classification of drugs that the doctor who prescribed the protocol

00:33:49.040 for the patient actually gets a direct cut.

00:33:52.000 Now, that's interesting.

00:33:53.620 Yeah.

00:33:53.740 Can you, do you have insight to tell us a little bit more about that?

00:33:56.120 Yeah.

00:33:56.280 And I think you and Chris talked about this too.

00:33:58.440 So they have changed that a little bit, but now the workaround for that is that they bring

00:34:03.420 you in more.

00:34:04.300 So, you know, instead of having an appointment every, you know, once a month, they're going

00:34:10.040 to do more appointments.

00:34:10.940 So they've done a workaround.

00:34:12.100 But that's truth that the chemotherapy drugs were the only drugs that a physician could

00:34:18.060 prosper on.

00:34:18.920 So they buy them from the pharmaceutical companies, turn around, you come in.

00:34:24.280 So they profit from whatever, you know, the, whatever their protocol is, they profit from

00:34:29.660 that.

00:34:30.020 So let's say we're going to prescribe you, you know, three months of chemotherapy.

00:34:34.840 It's going to be a hundred thousand dollars, but they only pay.

00:34:38.360 And I'm just, I don't know what the, what the cost is.

00:34:40.900 Let's say they only pay, you know, 10,000 to the pharmaceutical company.

00:34:44.820 They can mark it up whatever they want.

00:34:46.620 And that was interesting to me that, you know, you could go to some oncologist and it

00:34:52.320 might cost this much, but others, it might cost this much.

00:34:55.100 And it's the same drug.

00:34:56.440 They can mark it up whatever they wanted to.

00:34:59.380 And, and now the thing is, is that they will bring you in.

00:35:02.860 So much has changed in 10 years.

00:35:05.560 And this is, I think if there's anything that I want to say regarding that is that,

00:35:11.840 um, know that you are, it's, it's your body.

00:35:15.540 And when you go into an oncologist's office, be informed, be ready to ask these questions.

00:35:21.080 Chris Work has a great, great resource called 20 questions to ask your oncologist, Chris

00:35:25.980 beat cancer.

00:35:26.760 And so I highly recommend that.

00:35:28.540 So go in ready to ask those questions and know that it's your body.

00:35:32.660 And if they're going to have a hard time with you asking these questions, they're going

00:35:36.960 to, you know, get upset at you because you're asking all of these questions, bringing up,

00:35:41.400 you know, um, the stats like you're bringing up and asking them to address that.

00:35:46.280 Um, then you probably need to walk away and find a new doctor.

00:35:50.640 It's okay.

00:35:51.420 It's okay.

00:36:02.660 I know that this is not what you're doing, but I can just know preemptively what the comments

00:36:10.340 will be.

00:36:11.040 Some of the comments, this is not a demonization of all doctors.

00:36:14.260 There's not a demonization of all medicine, traditional medicine.

00:36:17.420 This is not a demonization of all oncologists by any means.

00:36:22.200 I think, I mean, the doctors that I've worked with, they haven't had cancer.

00:36:25.900 Thank the Lord, but have been people who really want to help.

00:36:30.180 Now, some doctors, uh, don't know about alternative methods or they have been informed in medical

00:36:37.000 school that there's no such thing as alternative methods.

00:36:39.760 The one doctor that I had in the past, uh, pregnancy that I had was the most integrative

00:36:46.480 doctor that I have been around very, I mean, in OBGYN for 40 years, but also extremely trusting

00:36:53.420 of women's instincts and women's bodies and alternative, you know, holistic methods of 0.75

00:36:58.060 induction and things like that.

00:36:59.540 And so that was really interesting.

00:37:01.380 I've seen it done well.

00:37:02.460 And then I've seen the doctors that refuse to listen to their patients and refuse to even

00:37:08.700 have any common sense because, you know, I have, I have hypothyroidism and I have been

00:37:14.760 reliably informed from my traditional doctors, my endocrinologist, that there is absolutely

00:37:21.680 nothing that you can do as far as your diet or exercise or lifestyle to help your thyroid

00:37:28.240 at all.

00:37:29.760 And as someone who didn't go to medical school, I'm just thinking that doesn't even sound like

00:37:34.120 common sense.

00:37:35.080 So a lot of the, a lot of this is just common sense.

00:37:37.540 You don't have to be anti-medicine, anti-doctors, anti-science to say it's probably common sense

00:37:43.520 for us to eat healthier if we want to make our bodies better.

00:37:47.280 Right?

00:37:47.880 Right.

00:37:48.420 Absolutely.

00:37:48.860 And, you know, it's, it definitely, we're not demonizing traditional medicine.

00:37:53.620 There is a place for it, but, but why in the world have, has this, you know, last deck or

00:37:59.920 this last a hundred years changed so much for medical care?

00:38:03.720 And if you go back and look at medical schools changed in the 19, I don't know, the Flexner

00:38:09.420 report when it came out.

00:38:10.620 Uh, he was a teacher and he was hired by the Rockefellers to go and research all the medical,

00:38:17.640 you know, schools.

00:38:18.980 They shut down 50% of medical schools because he said there were too many doctors and the

00:38:24.100 medical schools that they shut down the most were the ones that, you know, focused on holistic

00:38:28.480 or traditional medicine or holistic or, um, homeopathic medicine.

00:38:32.520 So I think it's just really important that we, that we research the truth, that we find

00:38:38.540 out the truth and we do what's best for us.

00:38:41.200 And, um, like I said, I did, I started, you know, my own route out doing traditional, but

00:38:47.240 so did my family and my family died.

00:38:49.820 And so, and there are many people out here that know people that have cancer and maybe

00:38:55.520 some of them have cancer and they're wondering what to do.

00:38:57.980 And if there's anything that I can say is just do your own research and look at, um, Bernie

00:39:03.420 Siegel has a great quote.

00:39:04.960 Uh, he's, he wrote, love medicine and miracles.

00:39:07.880 And he said, you know, we need to study those patients that have done extraordinarily well, not

00:39:14.800 the ones that have, you know, that we can measure, um, but the ones who've done extraordinarily

00:39:21.840 well.

00:39:22.700 And when we look at those and that's, that's a summary of his quote, but when we look at

00:39:27.140 those patients that have healed stage three and four cancer that only have, like you said,

00:39:31.720 a 2.1% or 2.3% chance of survival for five years, what in the world are they doing?

00:39:38.520 I want to know about it.

00:39:39.800 Yeah.

00:39:39.960 You know, what, what did they do that was so different that helped them beat the odds?

00:39:44.980 98% of people don't, you know, live beyond five years.

00:39:48.560 So why aren't we asking the questions that's, you know, that's, I think that's the important

00:39:53.120 thing is do what is best for you, but be a well-informed patient and know that you don't

00:39:59.340 have to go with, you know, the first doctor.

00:40:01.780 If the doctor is not going to come along and partner with you and help you answer those

00:40:05.900 questions, this is your body or it's your kid's body.

00:40:09.780 You know, it's, it's, it's your health and it's your wellbeing.

00:40:12.780 And it's so very important that we know that we need to be well-informed patients.

00:40:18.240 Yeah.

00:40:18.940 When my mom was diagnosed with breast cancer, you know, they tell you that it's, you know,

00:40:24.800 it might just be best to get a double mastectomy. 1.00

00:40:27.100 And that feels, I think like she would say that that she was tempted to do that at first

00:40:32.520 because it just feels like, just get it out of me.

00:40:34.280 Just do the most that you have to do so that I don't have cancer.

00:40:38.740 But then when you pause, when you pray, when you research, when you talk to people, she

00:40:44.440 realized that, well, there's not for her in her case, I'm not speaking for everyone in

00:40:49.020 her case, it didn't increase her chances of survival for her to get a double mastectomy 1.00

00:40:55.940 versus a lumpectomy.

00:40:57.980 So she went with the last invasive choice.

00:41:00.720 Thankfully she is healing and has healed really well.

00:41:04.320 She did go through radiation shorter than was, um, originally recommended, but her doctor

00:41:10.960 worked with her and then she has taken on, um, a lot of this protocol as well.

00:41:15.420 And it's really been an incredible health transformation for her.

00:41:18.600 And so I think that there is a lot of wisdom in talking to second and third opinions, talking

00:41:28.880 to people who have healed and what has worked for them and to pause for a second and wisdom

00:41:35.700 and not to make rash decisions out of fear.

00:41:38.460 Because understandably, when someone hears the word cancer, you just want to do the most

00:41:44.720 dramatic, or I don't want to say dramatic, like I'm trivializing it, but the most intense

00:41:50.060 thing immediately, because that in your mind, I think it makes you feel like that's going

00:41:55.500 to be the best healing, but maybe not, but maybe not, it could actually make you worse

00:42:00.340 on the other side of it.

00:42:01.400 Right.

00:42:02.140 Yeah.

00:42:02.500 I think how we look at the tumor is, you know, most people have, you know, there are blood

00:42:07.820 cancers and then there are, um, cancers like your mom had breast cancer. 0.98

00:42:11.580 So there obviously was a measurable tumor.

00:42:14.200 And there are several people that have put analogies out there that just really stood

00:42:18.240 out to me when I was doing my own research.

00:42:20.560 You know, number one is we're in this tumor tizzy where we think we've got to get this

00:42:24.440 tumor out.

00:42:25.540 And there's a, there's a great book called Cancer Step Outside the Box.

00:42:29.740 And in that book, they give a really cool analogy that if you were taking your car to a mechanic

00:42:36.280 and the check engine light was on and you drove up and you're like, ah, my check engine

00:42:40.740 light's on.

00:42:41.320 Can you check it out for me?

00:42:42.800 And the mechanic leaned in, saw it, went and got his hammer, smashed it out, ripped it

00:42:48.660 out of the thing and said, there you go.

00:42:51.500 You're, you're well, you're, it's the, the check engine light's off.

00:42:55.880 You know, you may leave.

00:42:57.160 What would you do?

00:42:57.880 You would never come back to that doc or to that, you know, mechanic again, because of

00:43:02.860 the choice that he chose to get rid of what the problem that you saw, which was the check

00:43:07.220 engine light and tumors are a check engine light.

00:43:10.120 It's not, um, you know, a diabetic, if a diabetic gets gangrene on their foot and the

00:43:16.700 doctor cuts her foot off, he's not healing diabetes, right?

00:43:21.140 Right.

00:43:21.580 Cancer is the same way.

00:43:23.360 And we've got to look at cancer different.

00:43:25.400 It's not the tumor.

00:43:26.820 The tumor is a symptom of what's happening.

00:43:29.240 There are cells in there that have gone rogue, but our body, our liver, our, you know, our

00:43:34.880 metabolism, what we're eating, the sodium potassium balance, the, you know, the things that have

00:43:40.000 happened in our body that has made us sick.

00:43:43.280 And if we don't address those things, including the emotional connection and the spiritual,

00:43:48.840 yes.

00:43:49.240 And the spiritual, then we're not going to heal.

00:43:51.640 So it's, it's all about the whole body, you know?

00:43:54.920 And I think that we really, um, especially with, we're seeing more and more cancer, younger,

00:44:00.880 younger people are getting it aggressive cancers right now.

00:44:05.040 And it's so important to know that there is, you can heal, but you've got to make choices

00:44:10.520 that don't happen in the doctor's office.

00:44:12.980 Your, your choice to heal, um, most 30,000 choices.

00:44:17.420 I think we make a day 30,000.

00:44:19.760 So, you know, you sit in a doctor's office for an hour and a half.

00:44:23.020 That's not where you're healing.

00:44:25.180 You're healing at home.

00:44:27.120 And so what are you going to do to feed your body?

00:44:29.300 Well, to feed your mind?

00:44:30.700 Well, you know, to reconnect with the Lord, you know, what, what is going to make that

00:44:35.920 difference for you?

00:44:36.880 It's, it's, and it's not just about cancer.

00:44:39.060 It's all of us are dealing.

00:44:41.160 So many people are dealing with something.

00:44:43.440 And, um, and I just really recommend that people really take a step back and go, I need

00:44:49.000 to address the whole being.

00:44:50.820 Um, all of Susie needs to be addressed.

00:44:53.480 And that's, that's when you're going to walk out of this way better on the other side of

00:44:58.360 whatever your diagnosis is.

00:44:59.980 And sometimes obviously the symptoms have to be treated if the tumor is inhibiting the

00:45:17.560 function of, you know, a certain body part.

00:45:20.880 But the point is that it goes much deeper than that.

00:45:24.020 That is not curing the cancer.

00:45:26.420 And even the best and most integrative doctor can't heal you spiritually.

00:45:32.120 Can't take away your anxiety.

00:45:34.060 Can't take away your stress.

00:45:35.680 You talked about the changes that you and your family made holistically.

00:45:39.700 You changed your schedule, you changed your responsibilities and the, no matter how great the doctor

00:45:46.600 is, they cannot do those things for you.

00:45:49.340 It has to be a commitment to change and a Holy Spirit empowered, uh, discipleship regimen,

00:45:59.660 basically.

00:46:00.600 Um, that's also a really big part of this.

00:46:04.460 Mm-hmm, absolutely.

00:46:06.080 Yeah.

00:46:06.280 And just really being in tune with them, you know, knowing his word, he will speak with

00:46:10.800 you.

00:46:11.260 He has a great way of bringing it up just when we need it, you know, and, uh, it's just a,

00:46:17.380 it's a wonderful opportunity to make some drastic changes.

00:46:21.780 You know, when you get a diagnosis of cancer, any chronic disease to go, okay, this is, you

00:46:28.740 know, all right, Lord, you're going to lead us through this.

00:46:32.000 We're going to get on the other side of it and I, I know we need to address some things,

00:46:36.500 you know, for the whole being.

00:46:39.140 Well, thank you so much for sharing your story and can you tell people how they can connect

00:46:45.160 with you?

00:46:45.660 How can they connect with Healing Strong?

00:46:47.340 Because you've, you've created this organization that provides resources, but also provides

00:46:52.460 counseling through connection with other people who have gone through this.

00:46:56.640 So tell people how they can find that.

00:46:58.320 Yeah.

00:46:58.480 Thank you so much.

00:46:59.960 Um, yeah, your mom's part of that.

00:47:01.520 We, that's how we met.

00:47:03.100 So Healing Strong, uh, is a nonprofit organization.

00:47:06.900 We started 10 years ago and birthed out of my own, um, cancer journey.

00:47:12.080 And there were 10 of us that came together and prayed and said, God, what can we do?

00:47:15.860 We actually ended up doing a holistic conference that was standing room only.

00:47:19.960 People were so hungry for the information.

00:47:22.560 And afterwards, um, the group model began.

00:47:25.740 We, we realized how powerful it was to come together in community.

00:47:29.620 And so right now we have supported over 500 groups, uh, in the United States, Canada, and

00:47:36.500 a few international countries.

00:47:38.000 Um, people can go on our website to healingstrong.org and they can find a group either online that

00:47:44.180 meets.

00:47:44.460 So we usually have meetings almost every day of the month.

00:47:46.820 They can look at the calendar, uh, or they can look at an online group or an, or an in-person

00:47:52.040 group, you know, where they're located, which I, I hope there is one.

00:47:55.740 And if there isn't, they can start their own.

00:47:57.580 And so, you know, we have the, the resources, the curriculum, the training, the support, um,

00:48:03.600 we're run 98% mostly by volunteers, um, that have been in the same situation that just want

00:48:09.980 to support others.

00:48:11.460 Um, and people don't have to be doing just holistic.

00:48:14.240 We have integrated with people that are doing conventional treatments and they just want

00:48:18.320 to learn what can I do after this is over.

00:48:20.500 So, you know, we do teach an anti-cancer lifestyle.

00:48:24.420 Um, we, we teach plant-based eating for a little while.

00:48:27.400 You need to focus on that.

00:48:28.880 We teach detoxification, supplementation, emotional healing.

00:48:32.820 We art therapy and music therapy and, you know, things like that, that just really help

00:48:37.860 you.

00:48:38.080 And then of course, we, um, also have Bible studies that we work with on the Bible app.

00:48:42.520 You can get Healing Strong's Bible studies.

00:48:45.120 One of my favorite.

00:48:46.540 On the, is it the YouVersion app?

00:48:48.460 The YouVersion app.

00:48:49.340 You just search Healing Strong and we have, and we focus on, you know, on healing and

00:48:54.200 trusting God's plan.

00:48:55.880 And, um, but my favorite program that we did, uh, the last three years, and we just put it

00:49:01.040 out on an app is called Around the Word in 80 Days.

00:49:04.800 And it was birthed out of, you know, the COVID and what happened during that time.

00:49:09.520 Our groups weren't meeting, but we wanted to read the word together.

00:49:12.540 And so we just came together in community online every single day and we read the word in

00:49:18.520 80 days.

00:49:19.280 And so we recorded that and it's, it's our community reading the Bible together.

00:49:24.180 And we just encourage people, if you just want to, you know, listen to the word being

00:49:28.400 read in community, it goes really fast.

00:49:31.060 It's not the same really great voices that are on the Bible app, reading the Bible.

00:49:35.680 It's our community that's reading it.

00:49:37.520 We have hiccups when we read it and we laugh and, you know, just, it's just a really great

00:49:42.260 community, but Around the Word in 80 Days, and that can be found on our website, or you

00:49:46.900 can go to AroundTheWordIn80Days.org and it's there as well.

00:49:51.020 But, you know, we just, um, try to focus on rebuilding the body, renewing the soul and

00:49:56.320 refreshing the spirit in God's word.

00:49:58.520 Well, thank you so much.

00:50:00.160 This has been wonderful.

00:50:01.120 I know so encouraging for so many people.

00:50:02.940 And I just, I know that the exact right person is going to be listening to this or watching

00:50:10.280 this and they are going to realize maybe for the first time that there is hope and that

00:50:16.080 there are other people who have walked through a journey of healing that maybe the Lord is

00:50:21.000 leading them on to.

00:50:22.600 And so thank you so much for taking the time to come in and share your story.

00:50:26.700 And, um, I just love that he's a God of redemption and he takes what Satan means for evil and makes

00:50:32.420 it into something good and something for his glory and the good of other people.

00:50:36.820 So thank you so much.

00:50:38.020 Thank you for having me.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 02, 2024

Ep 926 ｜ The Secret Reason Doctors Push Cancer Drugs ｜ Guest： Suzy Griswold

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