Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 929 ｜ We’re Back! Trump Blasphemy & Golden Globes Shocker

00:00:00.960 Trump seems to deem himself a shepherd who will not leave us nor forsake us.

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00:00:44.780 Hey, guys.

00:00:45.680 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:47.440 Happy Monday and happy 2024, y'all.

00:00:51.180 Oh, my goodness.

00:00:52.960 I can't believe that we are here in 2024, in an election year.

00:00:58.700 It seems like yesterday I was waking up in the middle of the night and realizing that

00:01:02.540 Trump had won the 2016 election.

00:01:04.540 Oh, my goodness.

00:01:06.480 It's been a long time.

00:01:08.020 And we're here.

00:01:08.800 Relatable is here.

00:01:10.020 Four days a week to keep you sane, to encourage you to not get stuck in the muck and the mire

00:01:16.840 of our politics and our culture wars and the moral depravity of our nation.

00:01:21.960 Well, we are going to talk about those things.

00:01:24.220 We got to delve into those things, but we're not going to stay there.

00:01:28.040 And so we're going to give you a nice mix of the evergreen, of the lighthearted, of the

00:01:34.540 serious, of the sad, of the happy, of the hopeful, all of it, all of the above.

00:01:39.340 And we've got all of those things actually on today's episode of Relatable, the first

00:01:44.680 new episode of 2024.

00:01:46.580 I just want to say thank you, Relatable fam.

00:01:48.940 We have been at this thing since 2018 at this point.

00:01:52.840 We've been at Relatable since 2018.

00:01:54.960 I think that we started once a week, and then we pretty quickly graduated to two times a

00:02:01.020 week, and then we went to three times a week.

00:02:03.420 We stayed at three times a week for a long time, and then we went to four times a week,

00:02:06.700 and here we are still at four times a week, and you guys keep coming back, and you keep

00:02:11.000 growing.

00:02:12.060 And so thank you for that.

00:02:13.000 Thank you so much for allowing us to do what we do.

00:02:15.820 I love, I love this.

00:02:18.040 I love this job.

00:02:19.380 I love getting to do this.

00:02:20.660 I was telling my husband last night, after three weeks off, sometimes you can have the

00:02:25.440 Sunday scaries the day before you go back to do your job.

00:02:30.140 But I didn't feel that at all.

00:02:31.640 I never feel that.

00:02:32.420 I was telling my husband, I'm so excited.

00:02:34.440 I'm so excited to go into the studio tomorrow and to talk, and to talk to you guys.

00:02:38.960 And so here I am.

00:02:40.420 Thank you again.

00:02:41.220 And it's going to be a crazy, crazy, wild year.

00:02:44.220 I don't know what's going to happen, but that I know for sure.

00:02:48.320 All right.

00:02:48.620 Before we get into some of the news stories that we're going to talk about today, I just

00:02:53.260 want to give you some encouragement.

00:02:55.260 And I posted this on Instagram, on my Instagram stories the other day, and I got so much,

00:03:05.080 such a big response, such a huge, swift response to this simple little story that I thought,

00:03:12.040 wow, this is obviously something that a lot of people need right now.

00:03:15.220 This is, in particular, for my related gals that are, maybe you're in your last year of 0.98

00:03:21.420 college, you're in your early 20s, but really this goes for any season of life.

00:03:26.520 And so let me pull up this picture that I found as I was scrolling through Facebook the other

00:03:33.440 day from 2013.

00:03:35.480 And I saw this picture of myself with my deep side part in my crocheted infinity scarf, of

00:03:41.780 course.

00:03:42.480 This is very 2013-esque.

00:03:45.640 And I just thought about my life then.

00:03:48.280 And I got to thinking about what was going on in my mind, in my heart, in my life, in my

00:03:54.320 spiritual life at the time.

00:03:55.780 And even though you look at that picture, and it might seem like I am happy, I really

00:04:02.540 wasn't.

00:04:03.080 I was going through so much at this time.

00:04:05.200 I was 21, about to turn 22 in just a couple of months, and I was actually home.

00:04:10.720 This was before Christmas break.

00:04:12.600 This was after what would have been Thanksgiving break.

00:04:14.740 But I was still home because I had gotten shingles.

00:04:18.060 Now, who gets shingles at the age of 21?

00:04:20.680 Now, after I posted that question, a lot of you have messaged me saying that you got shingles

00:04:25.540 when you were 16, 18, 22, whatever, apparently it happens in really stressful times of your

00:04:30.680 life, which makes sense.

00:04:32.600 So I got a really bad case of shingles.

00:04:34.500 It was all on my neck and face, and it was awful.

00:04:36.860 I had to go home for three weeks.

00:04:38.740 And I was really stressed in this time because I was going through a really bad breakup after

00:04:44.440 a long-term relationship.

00:04:45.860 This is not what you want to go through really at any stage of your life, but especially your

00:04:50.400 senior year of college when you're trying to picture your future and figure out what

00:04:54.280 you're going to do after graduation.

00:04:56.580 And so I was struggling.

00:04:57.920 I was struggling having to leave school.

00:05:01.560 And right before my last semester of college for three weeks, I was struggling with this

00:05:05.240 breakup.

00:05:05.680 I was struggling with the sickness that made me feel horrible.

00:05:08.800 And I had no idea what I was going to do the next year.

00:05:13.020 I had no idea what I was going to do after graduation.

00:05:15.240 So there was just a lot of stress in my life and even sadness in my life at the time.

00:05:20.360 And over the next few months, as I've talked about in my book, a lot of you already know

00:05:23.940 this story.

00:05:24.460 It was really bumpy.

00:05:26.300 I tried to find satisfaction and fulfillment in all the wrong places, from unhealthy relationships

00:05:31.780 to being obsessed over the food that I was eating, how much exercise I was getting, really

00:05:38.860 just my image.

00:05:40.360 I was trying so hard to find fulfillment and happiness in myself.

00:05:46.380 And it just wasn't working.

00:05:49.460 And so I ended up just being a very sad, anxious person over the next several months.

00:05:57.380 Thankfully, God's grace relentlessly pursued me, and he brought me to a place of redemption

00:06:02.300 and repentance, largely through a biblical counselor, which I've talked about before, after graduation.

00:06:09.800 But in looking at this picture, I think about the fact that less than a year after this,

00:06:17.380 less than a year after this picture, in which I was so sad, I met my husband.

00:06:21.400 Less than two years after this picture, I was married.

00:06:24.500 And then I started speaking to college students, sorority girls specifically, about the importance

00:06:29.640 of voting in the election.

00:06:31.260 So this would have been 2015.

00:06:33.780 2015, and then three years later, I started my media career.

00:06:39.280 Five years later, I became a mom.

00:06:41.480 And now here I am 10 years later.

00:06:43.340 And so much has changed.

00:06:44.700 And I'm so thankful for all of it.

00:06:46.620 And I am blessed beyond anything that 21-year-old self could have possibly imagined.

00:06:54.140 Now, a mom of three and getting to do this every day, there's just so much that I am so

00:06:59.260 thankful for that I could have never, ever imagined or envisioned when I was that 21-year-old

00:07:06.740 shingles-ridden sad girl in that picture. 0.58

00:07:10.940 And I say all this to say not that God promises these things.

00:07:16.300 He doesn't promise that our dreams are going to come true.

00:07:18.720 He doesn't promise, unfortunately, marriage or motherhood or health or wealth.

00:07:23.480 He doesn't promise any of these things.

00:07:25.600 But what we can know for sure is that season that you're in, the season of sadness or disappointment

00:07:32.080 or looking at your future and it's shrouded in mystery, whatever disappointments that you

00:07:39.660 are going through, we can trust that these things are temporary, that you will grow and

00:07:44.960 change and be refined and be sanctified, and that God's grace and faithfulness will be

00:07:50.480 there and that there will be things that happen, not in the next 10 years, but in the next year

00:07:56.800 and the next month that will surprise you.

00:07:59.820 A lot changes very quickly.

00:08:02.840 I tell this to my single friends and my single related gals all the time is that a lot changes

00:08:08.800 in a year.

00:08:09.640 I know the situation might seem bleak when you're looking out there at the dating scene, but a

00:08:15.380 lot can change in a year and really for anyone in any stage of life, God will continue to

00:08:22.400 surprise you with good things.

00:08:25.360 Now, again, I am not saying that he promises material wealth.

00:08:31.000 I'm not saying that he promises fleeting sources of happiness or that all of your goals are going

00:08:37.000 to be accomplished.

00:08:38.480 I don't believe in that health and wealth prosperity gospel.

00:08:41.420 But we do know because he is good, because he is gracious, because he is faithful, that

00:08:47.240 he can be trusted to show up in ways that you cannot expect or see right now.

00:08:54.360 If the only thing that God ever gave us was his gospel and his presence and his goodness

00:08:59.160 and his word, that would be enough.

00:09:02.120 And yet he continues to pour out gifts to his children, things that we can't now articulate

00:09:09.040 or see or know of.

00:09:11.360 And that's what you can trust, that things will happen that you can't now see, that he

00:09:16.280 will pull you out of this era, this season of hardship and difficulty that you are now

00:09:22.000 in, and that you will look back and you will see his hand in your life.

00:09:26.200 You will look back and say, wow, man's rejection was God's protection.

00:09:33.380 And I did not come up with that, by the way.

00:09:35.200 I think that was Marian Jordan, an author, but I love that.

00:09:39.120 And you will see how all of the disappointments that you went through, that God's providence

00:09:44.620 and his sovereignty was in all of that.

00:09:48.240 What's the Rascal Flatts song?

00:09:50.220 God Bless the Broken Road?

00:09:52.180 Something like that.

00:09:53.420 Something like that, but biblical.

00:09:55.780 And so I just wanted to encourage you.

00:09:57.900 It's the beginning of 2024.

00:09:59.600 It's an election year.

00:10:00.760 It's crazy.

00:10:02.420 Crazy things are going to happen.

00:10:04.120 Unexpected things are going to happen.

00:10:05.800 But you can trust in God's faithfulness.

00:10:07.880 In this season of sadness and disappointment that you're in, it will not last forever.

00:10:14.520 And specifically for you college girls, you don't know what you're going to do next. 1.00

00:10:19.560 That's okay.

00:10:20.380 You're not supposed to know.

00:10:21.820 You're not supposed to know.

00:10:22.940 Well, if you do know, I guess that's fine.

00:10:24.840 But you're not supposed to know what you're going to do for the next 10 to 20 years.

00:10:28.540 You probably don't.

00:10:29.700 You might have a rough idea of where you're going after graduation.

00:10:33.380 It's okay if it's not your dream job.

00:10:35.300 It's okay if you don't have it all together.

00:10:36.900 It's okay if it's not paying you six figures in the perfect city that you're wanting to live in.

00:10:42.280 That's fine.

00:10:43.180 You don't have to get your dream job after college to have a great life.

00:10:46.420 And then maybe if you're going to have a career, have the career that you are looking for.

00:10:51.880 You don't have to meet your husband in college in order to get married young or to get married at all.

00:10:56.680 I know that it feels like at 22 years old, you have to know everything that you're going to do.

00:11:01.580 You have to have everything together right now for your life to fall into place.

00:11:04.780 That is just not true.

00:11:07.160 Just trust God's timing.

00:11:08.600 It is better than ours.

00:11:10.300 And again, a lot can happen in a year.

00:11:12.840 Okay, Brie, I want to talk about this video that is going around that was originally posted by Trump on a Truth Social.

00:11:34.700 I have yet to actually ever log into Truth Social.

00:11:37.700 Have you ever been on Truth Social?

00:11:39.220 No.

00:11:39.620 I think I probably have an account, but no.

00:11:41.420 Oh, really? See, I don't even think I have an account.

00:11:44.120 But all of the stuff that Trump says ends up on X, which, you know what?

00:11:48.600 More power to him for staying on Truth Social even after Elon Musk reinstated his Twitter account.

00:11:55.260 I know, that's self-control, honestly.

00:11:56.400 His X account. It is.

00:11:57.760 And you know what?

00:11:58.320 He probably, well, I think he has a lot of self-control in some ways.

00:12:02.640 Maybe not in others.

00:12:04.000 Maybe not in others.

00:12:05.120 And we're about to talk about that.

00:12:06.820 Yeah. Okay, so last Friday, former President Trump posted a video titled God Made Trump, which sounds like an AI voiceover parody based on Paul Harvey's God Made a Farmer monologue.

00:12:18.340 So it appears that the video was created by the Dilley meme team.

00:12:23.860 Don't know what that is, but they have an X account.

00:12:26.260 Trump supporting group of comedians and political commentators, not the official Trump campaign.

00:12:31.400 Trump has been.

00:12:32.100 So that's where it was originally posted.

00:12:34.040 I think I said it was originally posted by Trump.

00:12:35.800 It was originally posted here.

00:12:36.760 Trump has been reportedly using it on the campaign trail in Iowa.

00:12:41.600 OANN reporter Daniel Baldwin reported that the video was played in Mason City, Iowa.

00:12:47.860 So, okay, we're going to play you.

00:12:51.140 We're just going to play you a short part of this video that's going around.

00:12:57.280 All right, here it is.

00:12:58.320 God said, I need somebody who will be strong and courageous, who will not be afraid or terrified of the wolves when they attack.

00:13:06.760 A man who cares for the flock.

00:13:09.320 A shepherd to mankind who won't ever leave nor forsake them.

00:13:13.140 I need the most diligent worker to follow the path and remain strong in faith.

00:13:19.240 And know the belief of God and country.

00:13:22.300 Somebody who's willing to drill, bring back manufacturing and American jobs, farm the lands, secure our borders, build our military, fight the system all day,

00:13:35.120 and finish a hard week's work by attending church on Sunday.

00:13:40.340 Okay.

00:13:41.360 Okay.

00:13:42.360 Okay.

00:13:43.760 Okay.

00:13:44.440 I don't even know.

00:13:46.340 Okay.

00:13:46.680 Here's the part that I take the most issue with.

00:13:49.640 Okay.

00:13:49.880 First of all, let's just say what we agree with.

00:13:52.580 God did make Trump.

00:13:54.020 Okay.

00:13:54.780 There you go.

00:13:55.400 God did make Trump-ery.

00:13:56.980 And God made you and God made me.

00:13:59.200 So God did make Trump.

00:14:01.200 And you know what?

00:14:02.460 If you want to say that he's strong and courageous, who's not afraid of the wolves when they attack, okay.

00:14:09.240 I'm not totally sure if that's true.

00:14:11.760 Like, not even talking about theology, but let's just think back to COVID.

00:14:17.020 I mean, he was afraid to hire Fauci.

00:14:19.120 And the reason he was afraid to fire Fauci, he said, is because he knew that people of the New York Times and people on the other side would have completely eviscerated him.

00:14:30.640 What?

00:14:31.300 And I mean, Christopher Wray, there were a lot of fires that he could have done.

00:14:35.460 I mean, he is the guy that is famous for saying, you're fired.

00:14:40.000 And he couldn't do that to people like Christopher Wray or Fauci or Deborah Birx when they were running our country to the ground.

00:14:46.140 So I'm not totally sure if that's completely true.

00:14:49.740 But then it goes on to say, a man who cares for the flock, a shepherd to mankind who will never leave nor forsake them.

00:14:59.140 Okay, so this is messianic language.

00:15:03.620 This is the language of Jesus Christ or about Jesus Christ.

00:15:08.480 That is who Jesus is.

00:15:10.060 He is a shepherd to Christians, to his flock, who will never leave us or forsake us.

00:15:18.940 Now, is that Donald Trump?

00:15:20.460 Is that any politician?

00:15:21.700 That's not Ron DeSantis.

00:15:23.760 That's not Nikki Haley. 0.94

00:15:25.120 That's not anyone.

00:15:26.480 And it is also not Trump.

00:15:29.380 What do you think about this, Brie?

00:15:30.660 I just think it's really tone deaf because obviously a lot of his supporters are Christians. 0.96

00:15:37.900 But at the end of that little clip, it says, you know, God created a man who would do all this hard work and then attend church on Sundays.

00:15:46.940 And it just makes me skeptical.

00:15:50.280 I don't know.

00:15:50.880 So I'm like, if you did attend a good church on a Sunday, then you wouldn't have condoned saying that you're messianic, you know?

00:16:00.980 It's true.

00:16:02.000 I think you would have run it by your pastor and he would have looked at the transcript and he would have said, yeah, I don't think that we're going to go with this one.

00:16:10.440 But thank you for asking.

00:16:12.860 Yeah, I don't think that I don't know, but I don't think that he attends church.

00:16:18.640 And I know people are going to say, oh, you're just being judgmental.

00:16:21.220 You don't know his heart.

00:16:22.180 I'm not saying that I do know his heart.

00:16:24.840 But again, as Brie very astutely just observed, if he were being discipled, as all Christians are to be discipled, I'm not sure that he would have called himself a shepherd to all mankind that will never leave us or forsake us.

00:16:39.460 And like this is the problem with politics in general.

00:16:43.140 And this is something I think we especially see on the left is the idolatry of particular politicians as as a kind of messiahs, people who are going to bring God's kingdom here on earth and they're going to fight all of our battles.

00:17:00.280 They're going to go to war against the enemy.

00:17:02.520 Now, I do think that is what people like about Trump is that he does seem like a warrior.

00:17:08.200 He seems like a fighter.

00:17:09.560 He seems like someone is going to push back.

00:17:11.360 Now, I personally would push back on that depiction of Donald Trump.

00:17:15.220 I would love to think of him as that.

00:17:17.420 But again, going back to COVID and the policies that he endorsed and the people that he put in place and refused to take out of place like Fauci, I'm just not sure if that is an apt description of him.

00:17:30.760 Look, he's got his strengths, but he also have has his weaknesses.

00:17:34.640 And I think one of those weaknesses is that he sees himself and a lot of his biggest fans see him as something that he is simply not simply something that simply cannot be backed by his record.

00:17:51.960 And the things that he has done and the things that he has said, in reality, I think he cares a lot what people think.

00:17:57.420 I think he cares a lot what the left thinks.

00:17:59.340 I think he cares a lot what moderates think.

00:18:01.880 I think he cares a lot what The New York Times thinks.

00:18:04.400 I really, really do.

00:18:05.840 I wish that were not the case, but when I see him in his campaign running to the left of people like Ron DeSantis, criticizing Ron DeSantis for his heartbeat bill that he signed into law in Florida, making statements about to Megyn Kelly about, you know, transgenderism and the validity of that movement.

00:18:28.080 In some ways, I'm not saying that he is like all on board with that, but I I see someone who will really acquiesce to the progressive side.

00:18:41.000 He's just this is my thing with Trump.

00:18:43.060 I like a lot of things about Trump voted for Trump twice.

00:18:46.700 He's come on the show before.

00:18:47.940 I'm very thankful for that.

00:18:49.700 And of course, do I think that he would be better than Joe Biden?

00:18:52.480 And yes, Amy, I mean, there are few people in this entire world that would not be better than Joe Biden, but he's not conservative enough for me.

00:19:01.800 He's just not conservative enough for me.

00:19:04.100 And so I am not particularly swayed by what I think is a very blasphemous video.

00:19:12.180 It's a blasphemous video to call yourself a shepherd.

00:19:16.080 And I think it is an inaccurate depiction of how strong and brave he has actually been.

00:19:24.140 OK, this is not doing it for me.

00:19:26.660 It's probably not doing it for most Christians.

00:19:29.200 Now, there are some people out there like you are a MAGA till you die.

00:19:34.420 And something has happened in your brain over the past few years where you absolutely refuse to see anything negative about Trump.

00:19:42.220 Anything worth criticism, every single every single negative thing that anyone could say about Trump, no matter how factual it is, no matter how constructive the criticism is, like you will find a way to excuse it.

00:19:58.680 You will find a way to justify it.

00:20:00.720 You will find a way to get around it.

00:20:02.900 You will find a way to describe it as a strategic maneuver rather than just what it is, a flub or an error or something.

00:20:10.740 And I don't understand that.

00:20:13.480 I don't understand that about any politician at all.

00:20:17.640 I mean, Trump really does have a power like I've never seen to create a cult-like following.

00:20:24.360 It is unbelievable.

00:20:27.060 It's really unbelievable.

00:20:28.600 And I think this video speaks to that, that he can get up there in front of a bunch of evangelicals in Iowa and say,

00:20:36.100 I am the shepherd that will never leave you or forsake you.

00:20:40.360 And you'll have a lot of professing Christians applaud.

00:20:43.320 Wow.

00:20:44.180 Wow.

00:20:45.000 We just all really need to be careful.

00:20:46.800 Really need to be careful when it comes to idolizing politicians.

00:20:50.540 They're human beings who are going to live and who are going to die, who make mistakes all the time.

00:20:55.540 And ultimately, they will not save you.

00:20:57.940 Politics are important.

00:20:59.000 Politicians are important.

00:21:00.920 Governments are needed.

00:21:02.600 Presidents are needed.

00:21:03.560 Elections matter.

00:21:05.800 But they cannot ultimately save us.

00:21:09.140 Whew.

00:21:10.020 And good news.

00:21:11.460 There is a shepherd who will never leave you or forsake you.

00:21:14.280 And that is Jesus Christ.

00:21:15.520 He's real.

00:21:16.340 He's real.

00:21:16.900 So if you're looking for that, you won't find it in Trump or in anyone else, but you will find it in Christ.

00:21:21.780 Amen.

00:21:22.220 Amen.

00:21:22.360 Amen.

00:21:33.560 Okay, we're going to talk about Governor DeWine from Ohio, but I actually wanted to talk about this other story first because it's a little bit more interesting to me.

00:21:42.460 And that is this Christianity Today article that has been circulating recently.

00:21:46.960 It actually came out in August, but for whatever reason, over the past couple of weeks, conservatives and Christians have been talking about it on X.

00:21:55.800 And I think it's probably because Christianity Today recently posted about it.

00:22:00.940 So this is the title.

00:22:02.700 This is such a Christianity Today-esque title.

00:22:05.920 Should I offer my pronouns?

00:22:08.640 The subtitle is Gendered Language is Increasingly Controversial in Public Life.

00:22:12.960 Christians are grappling with how to engage. 1.00

00:22:16.700 And so right away, you see the air of nuance.

00:22:20.360 This is such a nuanced topic, says Christianity Today, and we really need to wrestle with it.

00:22:25.580 This is a stance by a lot of professing Christians who claim to not be on the right or the left.

00:22:32.480 They're politically independent.

00:22:33.840 They're in the gray.

00:22:34.720 They're in the mushy middle, that I call it.

00:22:36.940 And they're still trying to figure out this whole gender thing. 1.00

00:22:39.740 What's the right thing to do?

00:22:40.920 Is it pronoun politeness, like Preston Sprinkle says, that I should respect someone's stated pronouns, even if I know it's a woman, I should call it, I should call her he. 0.83

00:22:50.760 Or if I know it's a man, I should call him she, just to be respectful, just to be polite, just to ingratiate myself to them so that I can be on their same level and then eventually become friends with them and share the gospel with them.

00:23:02.040 That's that perspective.

00:23:04.440 And then you've got the other side, which is where I am, that says, well, no, we shouldn't lie.

00:23:10.300 We're not going to bring someone to the cross of Christ through deception.

00:23:15.260 I'm not going to affirm someone's delusion and affirm someone's deep sin and depravity by calling a man she in the hopes that affirming their sin is then going to lead them to the cross.

00:23:28.060 I'm not going to lie.

00:23:29.320 I'm not going to lie.

00:23:30.400 I can't be more loving than God.

00:23:32.100 God made them male or female. 0.67

00:23:33.740 And so I'm going to affirm what God says.

00:23:36.760 And I am going to I'm going to love them.

00:23:39.460 I'm going to be kind to them.

00:23:41.040 I'm going to be respectful in every way to them.

00:23:43.940 But respect does not need to include the use of wrong pronouns, the use of lying.

00:23:51.180 Respect isn't really measured by how someone feels.

00:23:55.460 Respect is measured by treating someone with integrity and truth and kindness and honesty.

00:24:01.100 And anyway, that's those are the two different sides.

00:24:05.380 And Christianity Today is trying to say, well, this is a really difficult conversation.

00:24:09.880 I personally don't think it's difficult at all.

00:24:12.680 But Christianity Today plays this game a lot.

00:24:15.840 They try to say, well, there are so many different valid ways that Christians can approach this topic.

00:24:20.320 And so here's what they go through.

00:24:22.340 They kind of go through the different sides.

00:24:23.960 She begins by telling the story of two employees at Huffton University, a Christian school in upstate New York, who were allegedly fired for using pronouns in their email signatures.

00:24:33.640 I remember this.

00:24:34.860 They were two.

00:24:36.060 There were two school employees, also students who in their email signatures used like he, her or he hurt.

00:24:42.900 That would be funny.

00:24:43.800 He, him, she hurt.

00:24:45.020 And they were fired because of that.

00:24:48.480 And the students refused to take the pronouns out of their bio because they put them in there so students would feel safe.

00:24:56.720 The university denied in statements that they were fired because of that.

00:25:01.280 The university ended up telling them that you have to take all extraneous items out of your out of your email signature, including pronouns, including Bible verses, which is just silly.

00:25:12.040 I think that university was too scared to say, no, you cannot state your pronouns.

00:25:16.700 You can't state your pronouns because that is against what we believe as a Bible believing entity institution.

00:25:22.780 But they wouldn't do that.

00:25:23.960 So they just said, no, we're just going to take everything out.

00:25:27.220 And so this is the attempt of the Christianity Today author to say, look, this is really complicated.

00:25:34.960 These student employees, they were just trying to love people.

00:25:38.520 They were just trying to get people to feel safe.

00:25:41.520 And look, they suffered the wrath of a Christian college just for being kind to their gender questioning.

00:25:47.740 That's not the word she uses, but their gender questioning fellow students. 1.00

00:25:52.360 The article says, while some evangelical Christians don't mind identifying their pronouns, others believe that doing so or referring to someone by a pronoun that doesn't match their birth sex makes inherent ontological claims that should not be glossed over.

00:26:04.120 Mark Yarhouse, a psychologist and head of the Sexual and Gender Identity Institute at Wheaton College, there's a lot to unpack there, said this.

00:26:16.720 We've reduced this giant conversation.

00:26:19.400 It's become so culturally salient that it raises the whole debate of a signature line.

00:26:25.760 And Mark Yarhouse is in the camp of so-called pronoun politeness.

00:26:29.600 So it is not surprising to me that he has made this claim, that he is on that side.

00:26:37.120 Christianity Today writes, the stakes around language and gender are high, which I agree with. 1.00

00:26:42.520 Some people argue that to not use their self-identified pronouns is to erase their existence.

00:26:47.960 For them, pronouns are not just preferred.

00:26:50.020 They are, in fact, the most accurate.

00:26:52.200 OK, but that's a ridiculous line.

00:26:54.820 They are, to them, most accurate.

00:26:56.760 Well, that, something is not accurate to you.

00:27:01.860 Something is either accurate or it is not.

00:27:04.920 What are pronouns?

00:27:06.000 That's the question.

00:27:07.440 Are pronouns just indicators of how you feel that day?

00:27:10.800 We did this whole satirical interview with Kyle Mann where we went back and forth pretending like we are both progressives and going through these ridiculous claims about allowing your pronouns to correspond,

00:27:24.840 not just with what you think about your gender, but just what you think about your personality, what you think about your mood that day, how your stomach is feeling, whether you have indigestion or not.

00:27:33.520 And obviously, it's a joke, but it's making a serious point that if pronouns are really just about how you feel about your gender, why can't they just be about your feelings in general?

00:27:43.740 They're not actually rooted in anything.

00:27:45.440 They're rooted in just the ideas that you come up with about yourself that day.

00:27:50.460 But that's not, of course, what language is.

00:27:52.480 That's not what pronouns are.

00:27:54.440 That's not what we see biblically, that these pronouns, this designation of male and female are rooted in biology.

00:28:01.740 And so it's while Christianity today tends to give some credence to this idea that not using someone's self-identified pronouns is erasing their existence or at least giving credence to people's feelings that it's erasing their existence.

00:28:18.320 The fact of the matter is, is that it's not.

00:28:20.580 It's not.

00:28:21.500 It's not like you're saying, you know, bippity-boppity-boop and you're no longer there.

00:28:29.960 The person still exists.

00:28:31.380 They're still standing there.

00:28:32.420 It's not erasing their existence.

00:28:33.780 That's ridiculous language.

00:28:34.960 That's a ridiculous assertion.

00:28:36.340 And it deserves no credence whatsoever.

00:28:38.960 But here's the kicker.

00:28:40.740 Here's something that Christianity today says to try to give weight to this argument.

00:28:44.100 And when mental health and suicidality are on the line, some advocates like the Minnesota Department of Health say that using a person's correct pronoun saves lives.

00:28:51.500 There is no evidence of that.

00:28:53.820 There's no evidence of that.

00:28:57.020 There's no evidence that affirming someone's delusion that has been brought on by, you know, many possible reasons could be true mental health, could be an addiction to porn.

00:29:08.520 Like we've talked about these before.

00:29:12.600 There are already serious issues going on there.

00:29:16.580 There are already serious problems going on there.

00:29:19.820 You know, my husband talks about when he was growing up, there was this man in town who would ride around on a bike in a dress.

00:29:25.760 And everyone knew that this person was strange.

00:29:28.520 Everyone knew that this person was off.

00:29:31.200 That they had, you know, mental health problems.

00:29:33.380 They left him alone.

00:29:34.480 He lived his life.

00:29:35.480 Everyone else lived their life.

00:29:36.640 But now we're supposed to see that person riding around town, that man riding around town on his bike in his dress and say, yes, girl, you look great.

00:29:46.380 And you are a woman.

00:29:47.700 Can you please come teach my children kindergarten and read stories to them in the library?

00:29:52.580 That's how much things have changed.

00:29:56.300 And now we're told that if we don't do that, if we don't affirm that man riding on the bike at the edge of town in his dress, if we don't call that person a woman and celebrate that person and say she hurt to that person, then their mental health problems are our fault.

00:30:11.320 But there's not a case to be made for that.

00:30:15.200 There's no evidence of that.

00:30:17.820 And that is still not a justified reason, a justification for lying and for affirming someone's delusion.

00:30:27.620 This is called empathy shaming.

00:30:29.960 This is called empathy bullying, empathy manipulation.

00:30:33.080 When in the name of empathy, someone tries to coerce you into affirming their position, their wrong position, their morally factually wrong position.

00:30:41.980 And then Christianity does look at the other side, which I do appreciate.

00:30:46.340 And what they say about the other side, I think, is so much more compelling.

00:30:51.840 Travis Reimer, a pastor in Rhode Island, says, I see this as a creation issue and a gospel issue.

00:30:57.340 I believe God's creation is good and designed for human flourishing.

00:31:00.500 My call to love my neighbor is to want what's best for them.

00:31:03.860 Yes.

00:31:04.680 Let me say that again.

00:31:06.200 He says, I see this as a creation issue and a gospel issue.

00:31:08.980 I believe God's creation is good.

00:31:11.980 And is designed for human flourishing.

00:31:14.100 My call to love my neighbor is to want what's best for them.

00:31:18.140 And then the author also goes through things that Rosario Butterfield has said, which we have talked about thoroughly on this podcast.

00:31:25.280 We've had her on as well.

00:31:26.740 And then the Christianity Today author adds her own assessment after looking at both sides.

00:31:32.520 In a sense, much of the disagreement among Christians on whether to use personal pronouns boils down to priorities, which takes precedence, using language that reflects God's immutable design or using language that honors our neighbor's wishes and invites them into deeper relationship.

00:31:45.300 Actually, that's a false choice, which is a logical fallacy.

00:31:48.760 It's a false choice.

00:31:49.820 I mean, if you listen to someone like Rosaria Butterfield's testimony when she was invited into the home of friends and neighbors who did not affirm her sexual choices, who did not affirm her lesbian relationship, but loved her, were kind to her and spoke God's word into her life.

00:32:08.240 She eventually was converted to Christianity.

00:32:11.960 Laura Perry, who we've had on this podcast before, she was brought back to the Lord after she tried to so-called transition into a man because of the relentless prayers and gospel sharing of her parents, who never called her a man, who never called her by her male name, who never called her by her male pronouns,

00:32:33.980 but continued to bring her into their life, into their church life, and pursued her relentlessly.

00:32:42.140 And so it's a false choice.

00:32:45.540 So you have to honor someone's wrong pronouns in order to have a relationship and a friendship with them, or you have to honor God and forego that friendship. 0.62

00:32:56.800 Is that how God works?

00:32:58.920 I don't think so.

00:33:00.020 I don't think so.

00:33:00.840 Now, I do think maybe frank conversations are necessary.

00:33:04.980 I don't think you have to be necessarily brash to someone.

00:33:09.460 But if you are in a position of being in a friendship with someone who identifies as the opposite sex than what they are, then you can have a conversation with them and say,

00:33:19.540 look, I love and respect you as an image bearer of God, but I also know that God made you, male or female, and I'm going to refer to you as that.

00:33:26.620 And I understand if that makes you mad.

00:33:28.240 I'm not trying to offend you.

00:33:29.760 That's not my goal.

00:33:30.460 I don't want to hurt your feelings, but I have to honor God and what God's word says.

00:33:35.420 And so that's how I'm going to refer to you.

00:33:38.900 I know people in that position who have done that and who have maintained those relationships.

00:33:44.800 And that's really tough.

00:33:46.700 That's really tough.

00:33:47.840 But I do think that that is what we are called to do.

00:33:50.820 We are called to do difficult things.

00:33:52.600 The easy thing, the easy thing to do is always the worldly progressive thing and to call it loving.

00:33:58.760 That's always the easy thing to do.

00:34:00.700 And most people, by the way, who bow down on this pronoun stuff, they're not really trying to evangelize to these people.

00:34:08.540 They just don't want to be called a bigot.

00:34:10.220 So let's also be honest about that.

00:34:12.640 Like, Christians are called to courage.

00:34:16.180 And courage is contagious.

00:34:18.440 Courage is attractive.

00:34:19.540 And there's a way that we can be courageous in this conversation about pronouns without being mean-spirited.

00:34:27.360 Now, there will always be people who call you mean, who call you unempathetic, who call you hateful for not calling a man she, of course.

00:34:35.760 But that's what Satan does.

00:34:37.800 He exchanges the truth of God for a lie.

00:34:39.980 Romans 1 is still alive and well.

00:34:41.660 Do we need to affirm the people in Romans 1?

00:34:45.400 Do you think Paul was affirming the people in Romans 1 in order to try to bring them to the gospel?

00:34:50.960 No, he said what their behavior was and how it dishonored God.

00:34:54.520 And he wanted them to repent.

00:34:57.320 And then the very next chapter, he says it's God's kindness that leads people to repentance.

00:35:01.540 So right after he said that homosexuality is unnatural, it's against nature, and that God will give those people a punishment,

00:35:09.100 and just a few verses later in Romans 2, he says God's kindness leads us to repentance.

00:35:14.660 And if that is the case, then that means that God's kindness and calling out sin for what it is can and does go hand in hand.

00:35:22.480 So Christianity today, they've kind of taken a turn to the left for a while trying to appeal to this mushy middle, 0.89

00:35:30.980 which I really just—it breaks my heart to see so many Christians go towards that mushy middle 1.00

00:35:34.900 and call it empathy and call it nuance and call it love and call it tolerance and inclusion and all of these things,

00:35:40.160 when really, in a lot of ways—I'm not saying in every single case—in a lot of ways,

00:35:45.520 it is just—it's just a way to sit on the fence.

00:35:49.540 It's just a way to try to be loved by secular leftists and Christians alike.

00:35:54.740 And so here are some examples of Christianity Today doing this.

00:35:58.340 This is a magazine, by the way, that was started by Billy Graham.

00:36:01.200 And so it's taking quite a turn.

00:36:05.280 On immigration, evangelicals to Trump, don't deport our next generation of church leaders.

00:36:10.840 Ah-ha! 0.98

00:36:12.200 What?

00:36:13.940 Don't deport our next generation of church leaders.

00:36:18.000 Okay, so what?

00:36:19.800 The government doesn't have a right to deport people who broke the law by entering the country illegally 0.99

00:36:25.780 because they might be the worship pastor at your church next year?

00:36:28.900 Come on, now. 0.87

00:36:30.980 Come on.

00:36:32.080 That is the most ridiculous, empathy-shaming, empathy-bullying, emotional manipulation argument

00:36:38.720 that I have ever heard.

00:36:40.500 That is absolutely silly.

00:36:43.660 Now, who is saying this?

00:36:45.700 None other than Russell Moore.

00:36:48.340 He wrote the president and congressional leaders this week to tell them—this is what the article says.

00:36:54.000 He didn't write the article, but he's quoted in it.

00:36:55.860 To tell them that dreamers are leading in our churches and our communities and to find solutions

00:37:00.460 that allow these young people to stay in our country long-term and continue to be a blessing to our communities.

00:37:05.520 I'm not saying that immigrants are not blessings to our communities, even people who are here, who came here illegally.

00:37:10.940 I'm not saying that they are never productive and great community members.

00:37:15.900 But a government has a right and responsibility to enforce the law and enforce its borders.

00:37:21.500 Don't you see how sovereignty is not only right but also compassionate, both for citizens and for migrants?

00:37:26.940 If you look at the crisis that's happening at the border, the humanitarian crisis that's happening at the border,

00:37:31.480 allowing people who are here illegally to be here, incentivizes that dangerous, deadly track. 1.00

00:37:39.080 And it crumbles our own sovereignty, our ability to enforce the law and to protect the rights of our own citizens.

00:37:44.980 My goodness gracious.

00:37:46.660 We don't have time to get into all of that.

00:37:49.040 Immigration is complicated.

00:37:50.600 Advocating for dreamers is not, Christianity Today says.

00:37:53.660 Max Lucado, Beth Moore, and hundreds of evangelicals call for immigration reform again.

00:37:59.460 What's your immigration status?

00:38:01.160 Divine.

00:38:01.760 They're big on—these are all headlines.

00:38:06.200 What's your immigration status?

00:38:07.600 Divine.

00:38:08.120 September 2017, Jesus was an immigrant and taught his followers to welcome and care for foreigners.

00:38:14.040 Oh my gosh, it's just horrible exegesis.

00:38:17.960 It's horrible.

00:38:18.820 It's horrible.

00:38:19.560 How God works in spite of immigration status.

00:38:22.520 August 2017.

00:38:23.660 And I'm actually in my new book that's coming out this fall, and it's about empathy shaming and empathy bullying.

00:38:28.860 We have a whole chapter on immigration and what the compassionate and biblical approach to immigration is without falling into these empathy traps.

00:38:37.400 And then, of course, they don't like Trump.

00:38:40.240 Criminal or not, Trump's case is a moral test for Christians by Russell Moore.

00:38:43.960 Trump won't divide the church this time, and that's not necessarily good news, says Russell Moore.

00:38:50.340 Must pro-life mean pro-Trump?

00:38:52.180 Of course, they don't believe that.

00:38:54.460 February 2020, Trump should be removed from office.

00:38:57.200 December 2019.

00:38:59.260 On Christian nationalism.

00:39:00.440 Christian nationalism cannot save the world by Russell Moore.

00:39:03.180 I'm not saying that it can either, by the way, but I just disagree with how they define Christian nationalism.

00:39:10.440 Of course, Russell Moore has taken to the pages of Christianity Today to say that the Uganda homosexuality law is un-Christian, un-Christ-like.

00:39:18.460 We've talked about why I agree and disagree with that.

00:39:22.080 What transgender people need from conservative Christians. 0.95

00:39:25.360 Christianity Today asks.

00:39:26.600 It goes on and on and on.

00:39:29.000 And then, oh, here's one that's relevant to our conversation today.

00:39:32.360 Why the transgender conversation is changing.

00:39:34.580 By Mark Yarhouse.

00:39:36.360 On legislative bans of gender mutilating surgeries for minors.

00:39:39.220 I'm not a fan of legislating around these complex clinical issues on either side.

00:39:44.200 So, Mark Yarhouse says that we should not protect children from chemical castration.

00:39:48.780 That it should be perfectly legal for doctors to get paid to chemically castrate 10-year-old boys and to give double mastectomies to 12, 13, 14, 15-year-old girls who say that they're confused about their gender because they've been groomed by predators on Tumblr into thinking they're the opposite sex.

00:40:05.360 Christian from Wheaton College, Mark Yarhouse, believes that that should be perfectly legal and that these doctors should continue to be incentivized by profit to do this.

00:40:16.320 That's a satanic position, Mark Yarhouse.

00:40:18.500 That's a satanic position.

00:40:19.940 Okay?

00:40:20.340 And Christianity Today gives credence to it by allowing him to argue that in their pages.

00:40:27.560 All right.

00:40:28.280 Where are we?

00:40:28.920 Okay.

00:40:29.140 I actually don't think we have time for Mark DeWine because I wanted to get to something else that was lighthearted.

00:40:34.100 Mark DeWine.

00:40:34.880 Okay.

00:40:35.320 We know it.

00:40:35.880 He is a coward.

00:40:37.140 He decided to veto legislation that was going to ban this genital mutilating surgery for minors.

00:40:55.580 He vetoed House Bill 68, the Saving Adolescents from Experimentation Act, sponsored by Republican Representative Gary Click.

00:41:03.120 So that's Republican Governor DeWine from Ohio.

00:41:08.320 But then he got so much backlash.

00:41:09.640 He's now signed an executive order banning genital mutilating surgeries for minors days after vetoing that bill that would have done the same.

00:41:18.400 So good job raising a respectful ruckus.

00:41:21.160 But what a coward.

00:41:22.800 What a coward.

00:41:23.860 But good job pushing back on him.

00:41:25.680 We don't have the time right now to go into all the details of that executive order and what it actually means.

00:41:31.600 But we'll try to save time for it later this week.

00:41:33.860 Okay, I just want to talk about the Golden Globes because why not?

00:41:48.760 Um, I never know that these things are happening until they're happening.

00:41:53.460 And I started seeing some of the, uh, some of the fashion online.

00:41:58.500 And I like to talk about this.

00:42:02.020 Uh, I like to rate their, their choices.

00:42:04.860 Uh, we have a new scale every time.

00:42:07.120 I think one to 10, let's do one is the best and 10 is the worst to this time, Brie.

00:42:12.000 Um, and, uh, before we get into that, actually, let's go ahead and play this clip of Jim Gaffigan.

00:42:19.780 He is a comedian who had, uh, quite the, quite the interesting joke at the expense of Hollywood.

00:42:29.920 So here he is.

00:42:31.060 The Golden Globes.

00:42:33.000 I mean, I, I can't even believe I'm in the entertainment industry.

00:42:39.320 I can't.

00:42:40.500 I, you know, it's so unlikely.

00:42:42.760 I'm from a small town in Indiana.

00:42:45.800 I'm not a pedophile.

00:42:50.160 You know.

00:42:54.460 Okay.

00:42:55.020 I mean, funny, but not funny because, you know, a lot of people in that room were uncomfortable

00:42:59.120 because they were like, I feel like a lot of people in that room were like, ah, ha, ha,

00:43:02.580 like they're just like, yeah.

00:43:05.820 Yeah.

00:43:06.340 Well, that got an, that got an applause.

00:43:09.080 Yeah.

00:43:09.600 I mean, nothing I think will ever beat Ricky Gervais a few years ago.

00:43:13.300 I forget which award show it was.

00:43:15.000 It was that, it was the Golden Globes.

00:43:16.120 Was it the Golden Globes?

00:43:17.080 When he roasted everyone?

00:43:17.900 Yeah.

00:43:18.500 I loved that.

00:43:19.280 And you know what's funny?

00:43:20.480 Jim Gaffigan was announcing the award for, they have a new category, best like stand-up comedy

00:43:25.920 special or something like that.

00:43:27.740 And Ricky Gervais won and it was tangibly kind of awkward when he won.

00:43:32.700 He wasn't there because I don't think he's ever going to show his face there again.

00:43:38.000 But it was pretty funny because he was against like Amy Schumer and a bunch of liberal comedians.

00:43:43.420 Oh, that's so funny.

00:43:44.840 Well, he's funny.

00:43:46.280 Now, I don't agree with all of his jokes.

00:43:48.640 It's like, I mean, okay, speaking of, speaking of comedians, have you watched Dave Chappelle's

00:43:53.740 latest special?

00:43:54.740 No, I've seen a lot of clips, but no.

00:43:56.220 Yeah, I, I, it was really short, but the first part is really funny.

00:44:00.480 If people haven't seen his Jim Carrey bit and how he ends it, I hadn't seen it.

00:44:07.200 I had not seen the clip online.

00:44:08.580 And so I watched it on Netflix and I was not expecting it.

00:44:12.800 I was, I was not expecting it.

00:44:15.740 Okay.

00:44:16.000 If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm sure you can find the clip floating around

00:44:19.100 on X or something like that.

00:44:20.840 Um, but I, I do love a good roast Hollywood joke.

00:44:25.400 So good for Jim Gaffigan, but also sad because it's true.

00:44:29.980 It's true.

00:44:30.720 It's true.

00:44:31.640 Um, all right, let's look at some fashion.

00:44:34.540 Uh, let's do, let's do Margot Robbie first. 0.76

00:44:40.980 Mid Margot Robbie.

00:44:42.400 Can we pull up Margot Robbie?

00:44:45.140 Oh, look at that Barbie girl. 1.00

00:44:48.320 Um, okay.

00:44:49.620 I love Margot Robbie.

00:44:52.040 And when I say mid, by the way, I'm making a joke.

00:44:55.140 Actually, this was my, uh, my most popular episode last year.

00:45:00.180 My most listened to episode last year was the one about Andrew Tate and Margot Robbie and

00:45:05.960 people calling Margot Robbie mid.

00:45:09.260 If she is mid, then I am negative 25. 0.91

00:45:14.060 What does that mean?

00:45:14.560 There's no hope for any of us if she's mid. 1.00

00:45:16.360 I know.

00:45:16.920 What does that mean for all of us?

00:45:18.720 Um, no, she's beautiful. 0.93

00:45:20.260 And if you're just listening to this, she's got like a pink fitted dress on with, uh, what 1.00

00:45:26.180 looks like a pink boa.

00:45:27.120 Mm-hmm.

00:45:28.040 She's actually dressed like a Barbie. 1.00

00:45:30.500 There is a Barbie that that's wearing that outfit. 1.00

00:45:32.720 Oh, I love that.

00:45:34.000 I love that.

00:45:34.860 Okay.

00:45:35.220 I'm okay.

00:45:35.740 So one is the best.

00:45:36.740 10 is the worst.

00:45:38.280 And so I'm going to go with, honestly, I'm going to go with a one.

00:45:42.880 Wow.

00:45:43.540 Because I think that she looks great.

00:45:45.320 This is a great color on her.

00:45:46.640 It's very well fitted.

00:45:48.440 It's, you know, different enough without being weird.

00:45:52.060 That's, that's what I like.

00:45:53.440 What about you?

00:45:54.660 I'm going to say four.

00:45:56.060 Okay.

00:45:56.500 I think, I think she could have done better.

00:45:59.720 Okay.

00:46:00.500 Okay.

00:46:01.000 Her stylist.

00:46:01.480 Okay.

00:46:01.680 I would have done better, but she looks great.

00:46:02.880 Yeah.

00:46:03.260 Always.

00:46:04.440 What would, what would you have changed to Brie?

00:46:07.760 I don't know.

00:46:08.580 Her whole like Barbie press tour, she looked amazing. 0.86

00:46:11.400 She was always dressed like an actual Barbie. 0.99

00:46:13.240 Yes.

00:46:13.420 Yes.

00:46:13.460 I love that.

00:46:13.940 And she looked amazing all the time.

00:46:15.420 And I don't know, this just doesn't do it for me.

00:46:17.640 I guess it's just the dress.

00:46:18.880 Okay.

00:46:19.320 Okay.

00:46:19.580 Um, let's go to Billy, Billy Eilish.

00:46:26.140 I'm sure I just don't get it.

00:46:28.500 Like, I'm sure I'm just not cool enough to understand what exactly is going on here.

00:46:35.520 But yeah, I think it's super ugly.

00:46:39.440 Yeah.

00:46:40.120 I mean, really ugly.

00:46:42.280 I can't actually name one thing that I like about it.

00:46:45.800 No, no.

00:46:47.240 I don't like any of it.

00:46:48.360 No, I'm going to go with a 10 because I think it's so ugly.

00:46:51.460 And I think that Billy Eilish is beautiful.

00:46:53.740 Yeah.

00:46:54.060 But I know she's not going for pretty.

00:46:56.680 She's not going for beautiful.

00:46:58.660 Right.

00:46:59.200 What do you think she's going for? 0.71

00:47:00.980 Weird?

00:47:01.660 I guess like quirky.

00:47:04.880 A while ago, I know she mentioned that like people were making when she would wear form

00:47:08.800 fitting things, people would make comments about her body when she was a child.

00:47:12.320 So I think some of this is her reaction to that.

00:47:15.940 And like, I'm not going to be sexy Hollywood star.

00:47:18.820 Yeah.

00:47:19.040 Um, which I get, but I feel like there are ways to do that without this.

00:47:24.640 Right.

00:47:25.440 Right.

00:47:26.040 Okay.

00:47:26.360 Well, I can say we can say that it's modest.

00:47:29.220 Yes.

00:47:30.080 Yeah.

00:47:30.340 She has that going for her.

00:47:31.240 So maybe I can give it a nine.

00:47:33.020 Yeah.

00:47:33.600 Oh, okay.

00:47:34.440 Yeah.

00:47:35.720 Um, because it's modest, but I hate her hair. 0.99

00:47:38.920 It's really bad.

00:47:40.180 It's really bad.

00:47:41.160 Yeah.

00:47:41.420 For me, it's a 10.

00:47:42.900 A 10.

00:47:43.560 Okay.

00:47:44.240 Yeah.

00:47:44.640 She's really pretty, but this is just so ugly.

00:47:48.020 It's like weird, like, um, 1800s school uniform, maybe 1940s school uniform.

00:47:57.760 Yeah.

00:47:58.400 For a giant.

00:48:00.900 Okay.

00:48:01.640 Next one.

00:48:02.360 Let's do Taylor Swift.

00:48:05.160 Okay.

00:48:05.780 We've got Taylor.

00:48:07.880 Um, I like it.

00:48:11.180 I like the dress.

00:48:12.380 I think it fits her perfectly.

00:48:14.200 I actually like this color.

00:48:15.420 I don't typically like this color in general.

00:48:18.240 It's like a lime green, a light green.

00:48:28.520 I'll go with a four.

00:48:30.780 I'll go with a four.

00:48:31.500 What would you say?

00:48:33.040 I would say six.

00:48:34.180 Like, it's not her best, but I think she looks great.

00:48:36.300 Okay.

00:48:36.620 Remember people, 10 is the worst.

00:48:39.340 10 is the worst.

00:48:40.400 And that's what you're saying.

00:48:41.240 I would have flipped it then.

00:48:42.040 I would say four.

00:48:42.940 Okay.

00:48:44.420 See, your scale confused me.

00:48:45.900 I know.

00:48:46.400 I know.

00:48:47.400 Um, okay.

00:48:48.540 Yeah.

00:48:48.780 I think I would have done something a little bit different with hair and makeup, personally.

00:48:53.280 Um, this reminds me, as we're, like, judging these people, reminds me of that meme that's

00:48:59.460 like, um, someone, like, completely sloppy, eating Cheetos in their bed, like, in their

00:49:06.160 sweatpants.

00:49:06.740 And it's like, me roasting celebrities' outfits.

00:49:10.440 I'm like, that's how I feel right now.

00:49:12.120 But, I mean, because obviously she looks great.

00:49:14.520 Yeah.

00:49:14.720 But, yeah, I'd probably go with a four.

00:49:19.240 One being the best.

00:49:20.580 I'm confused myself.

00:49:22.160 Let's look at Selena Gomez. 1.00

00:49:24.760 No.

00:49:26.320 What in the 2013?

00:49:29.040 No.

00:49:29.440 No.

00:49:29.800 No.

00:49:30.440 No.

00:49:31.060 No.

00:49:31.700 It's giving prom dress, for sure.

00:49:33.940 Yeah.

00:49:34.400 For me, a long time ago.

00:49:36.700 Oh, no.

00:49:37.980 I'm gonna go with a nine.

00:49:41.720 I think it's bad.

00:49:43.040 What do you think?

00:49:43.740 I would say eight.

00:49:44.880 I also think it's really bad.

00:49:46.360 But, I don't know if it's all the way up there.

00:49:49.340 Yeah.

00:49:50.180 I mean, again, another beautiful person.

00:49:52.720 Yeah.

00:49:53.240 I just don't, I just don't like it.

00:49:55.160 Bottom line.

00:49:56.020 Bottom line.

00:49:56.920 Okay, Elizabeth Olsen.

00:49:59.120 Um, I am frightened for her, because she looks frightened.

00:50:05.260 I feel like she always looks like that.

00:50:07.080 She does.

00:50:07.780 They all do.

00:50:08.740 She looks so much like her sisters.

00:50:10.440 Wow.

00:50:10.720 Yeah.

00:50:11.580 I know.

00:50:12.020 This was actually one of my favorite ones.

00:50:14.820 It was.

00:50:15.360 Okay.

00:50:15.640 I have the monitor that I'm looking at.

00:50:17.820 It's very overexposed.

00:50:19.720 So, it's really hard for me to see.

00:50:21.100 She looks white.

00:50:21.620 Yeah.

00:50:21.960 So, it's just the white on white.

00:50:24.020 Um, I guess.

00:50:25.420 Okay.

00:50:25.700 Again, I think that her dress fits her.

00:50:27.720 It's hard to tell, because she's against the white background with the white dress.

00:50:31.520 Yeah.

00:50:31.960 It kind of looks like she's getting married.

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:34.440 So, I don't love that.

00:50:37.200 Um, and she's also very fair. 0.98

00:50:39.860 So, this is a hard look to pull off.

00:50:42.800 But it's not terrible.

00:50:44.240 She's very pretty.

00:50:45.520 But I will go with a, wait, one is the best.

00:50:50.200 Okay, I'll go with a five.

00:50:52.040 What do you think?

00:50:53.320 This is the one for me.

00:50:54.560 I think she looks amazing.

00:50:56.260 Okay.

00:50:56.460 I mean, I know it's a little risque, because it's very, like, corset-y.

00:50:59.540 But, um, I think it's great.

00:51:02.400 Okay.

00:51:03.100 Barry.

00:51:03.960 Let's go with Barry.

00:51:04.720 Barry who?

00:51:05.460 Who's this?

00:51:05.760 I had to, Barry Keegan.

00:51:06.740 I had to, uh, include a man here.

00:51:09.880 Um, no.

00:51:11.640 He looks like he is dressed as Marius from Les Mis.

00:51:17.980 That's what I think.

00:51:20.040 Um, yeah.

00:51:22.360 No.

00:51:22.980 What?

00:51:24.560 He also reminds me of, um, he kind of looks like, his outfit looks like something that

00:51:30.020 Rufio from Hook would wear if he were to dress up for an award show.

00:51:37.440 I hadn't thought of any of these.

00:51:39.260 You're right.

00:51:40.040 Okay, what do you think?

00:51:41.020 I think he looks really cool.

00:51:43.780 I do.

00:51:44.680 Okay.

00:51:45.120 Normally, like, the man, the male outfits are, like, pretty basic and boring.

00:51:50.720 And I actually think he looks really good.

00:51:52.360 I don't like earrings on men.

00:51:54.580 Um, but aside from that, I don't mind at all.

00:51:57.440 Yeah, he doesn't look bad.

00:51:59.500 He doesn't look like Pedro Pascal from the Met last year.

00:52:02.260 Right.

00:52:02.740 Like, I feel like they feminize men when they try to do something different all the time 0.93

00:52:07.160 with, like, flare pants and stuff.

00:52:08.780 And this doesn't, I mean, aside from, like, some of the jewelry, I guess, this isn't super

00:52:13.200 feminine.

00:52:13.980 You're right.

00:52:14.440 I mean, he definitely looks handsome.

00:52:17.500 Yeah.

00:52:17.860 Okay, fine.

00:52:19.080 Um, I'll go with a, I'll go with a four.

00:52:23.040 Okay.

00:52:24.120 What's yours?

00:52:24.920 One being the best.

00:52:26.420 One being the best.

00:52:27.760 Three.

00:52:28.840 Okay.

00:52:29.720 Yeah.

00:52:30.200 Okay.

00:52:30.920 Well, that's all we got here.

00:52:32.460 Bring it in the new year, y'all.

00:52:33.660 All right.

00:52:47.080 All right.

00:52:47.780 That was our first episode of 2024.

00:52:50.240 Let me know what you want us to talk about this week.

00:52:53.260 There's a lot going on.

00:52:54.400 There's a lot.

00:52:55.220 There's a lot that has gone on.

00:52:56.740 Uh, I was asking Brie, uh, there, I was asking Brie before we started what her predictions

00:53:03.500 are for 2024.

00:53:04.900 And she just told me that they're dark.

00:53:07.220 They're dark, Brie.

00:53:08.680 That's not good.

00:53:09.700 Yeah, they are really dark.

00:53:11.600 I know.

00:53:12.520 There are a couple that I think are kind of out of pocket that are positive.

00:53:17.140 Um, like one of them is, I, I believe that Lil Nas X is gonna become a Christian.

00:53:23.040 And he is going to talk about it on Relatable.

00:53:24.960 Yeah, and he's gonna come on the show and talk about it.

00:53:27.780 He's always spewing all these satanic things.

00:53:30.160 I think it's gonna flip.

00:53:31.640 That's, that's a positive one for you.

00:53:33.460 Okay.

00:53:34.620 Okay.

00:53:35.440 I would love that.

00:53:37.240 Would absolutely love it.

00:53:39.800 Um, do you have another positive one?

00:53:43.060 Um, you know, I don't know if I could think of one.

00:53:46.640 I, well, okay.

00:53:47.660 I'm sorry.

00:53:48.440 I gotta bring her up again. 0.96

00:53:49.700 I do think Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey are gonna get engaged.

00:53:53.100 I think that's gonna happen.

00:53:54.400 I know everyone's saying they're gonna break up.

00:53:56.420 What month would you guess?

00:53:59.060 October.

00:53:59.840 I was gonna say October too.

00:54:01.600 I don't know why.

00:54:02.560 Isn't that like a Taylor Swift month or something?

00:54:04.860 I don't know.

00:54:05.220 I feel like you people celebrate Taylor Swift.

00:54:07.720 That's a valid question, but I don't think so.

00:54:10.920 Okay.

00:54:11.980 Um, okay.

00:54:13.240 I like those predictions.

00:54:14.720 I like those.

00:54:15.320 Lil Nas X is gonna become a Christian. 0.84

00:54:17.000 Taylor Swift is going to get engaged.

00:54:18.400 Do you think they will get married?

00:54:20.080 That's a different question.

00:54:21.000 I don't.

00:54:23.620 Oh, no.

00:54:25.140 I don't.

00:54:26.140 Oh, no.

00:54:26.820 Okay.

00:54:27.320 I'll have to think more about my predictions because I'm just thinking so politically with

00:54:31.340 it being an election year.

00:54:33.580 Um, so I don't know.

00:54:36.640 I definitely don't have pop culture predictions.

00:54:38.980 I, I don't want to think that something bad's going to happen, but again, it's an election

00:54:44.560 year.

00:54:45.180 It's been four years since COVID, believe it or not.

00:54:48.580 Crazy.

00:54:49.400 Four years since COVID started anyway.

00:54:53.040 Um, and so I don't know.

00:54:56.020 Gosh, I don't know.

00:54:57.220 I don't even want to think about it.

00:54:58.480 I'm like, what's the point of even predicting anything?

00:55:01.480 Thankfully, related fam, God is in control and he is totally sovereign.

00:55:05.020 He has written every single one of our days before any of them have come to be.

00:55:08.720 And there is nothing that can ever surprise him or throw him off or take him aback.

00:55:13.560 He's never looking down from his throne saying, oh my gosh, how did you get into this mess?

00:55:17.320 Let me come in and try to clean it up.

00:55:19.380 No, he is suspended in the eternal now.

00:55:22.860 So he is not constrained by linear time like we are.

00:55:26.840 He knows everything that is going to happen.

00:55:30.080 And Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.

00:55:33.800 Hebrews 13, 8.

00:55:35.280 And our job is only ever to do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the

00:55:40.240 glory of God.

00:55:41.100 We don't have the capacity to care about everything or to fix everything.

00:55:45.200 We just have to do the best that we can for his glory and with his strength.

00:55:49.780 All right.

00:55:50.200 That's all we got time for today.

00:55:51.240 We will see you back here tomorrow.

00:55:52.460 We will see you back here tomorrow.

00:56:00.080 We will see you back here.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 08, 2024

Ep 929 ｜ We’re Back! Trump Blasphemy & Golden Globes Shocker

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