00:16:53.200He says, if you think of, like, the average guy is able to see at any time that he wants thousands of the hottest women on earth naked at any point that they want.
00:17:01.780He said, every time they watch pornography, you're going through, like, whatever, 10 videos, right?
00:17:18.440That must do something because that's significant.
00:17:21.440And not only that, but they're seeing unrealistic depictions of women, unrealistic depictions of sex, and they're seeing underage girls that may be in their head or maybe they are being told that that girl's 25, really she's 15.
00:17:35.260That completely warps someone's attractions, what turns them on, what they are going to try to pursue in real life, what they think about the average, you know, woman and mother.
00:17:46.840My gosh, I can't even imagine how much that ruins your potential for having a healthy relationship, understanding of yourself and the people around you.
00:17:57.700And not to mention that one of the most popular categories on Pornhub and really any given porn site is the teen category.
00:18:07.740And many of these porn sites have now come back and said, you know, we mean 18 and 19-year-olds.
00:18:13.740But it goes without saying that there are so many people who have the desire to see a minor do something sexual, and that's absolutely disgusting.
00:18:28.520And in one of the other videos, Dylan Rice, the senior script writer, does say that ads where guys look to be about 15 years old do the most conversion rates and make the most money.
00:18:52.820That he makes the most money, and his videos make the most money because it draws pedophiles and young teens.
00:19:01.020So they are purposefully creating videos, cutting ads that appeal to pedophiles because, in his words, he says, you can turn pedophiles into whales, which means they're big spenders.
00:19:36.540They don't care what kind of scum is on their site as long as it is making them money.
00:19:43.160And actually, they're so adamant about this that any effort toward age verification, they are going to protest.
00:19:52.760There have been several states that have now tried to require IDs to access pornography sites.
00:20:00.540So, for example, 2023, Louisiana, Utah, Mississippi, Arkansas, Virginia passed laws with overwhelming bipartisan support that require IDs to access pornography sites to prevent these sites from illegally serving their products to children.
00:20:14.180By Pornhub's own admission, Pornhub's traffic dropped 80 percent in Louisiana after the new law enforced Pornhub to require ID verification for its users.
00:20:25.860And in response to this law, Pornhub began lawfare against states that enacted similar laws and is protesting by blocking access to its sites altogether in many states.
00:20:39.240So what they're trying to say is, no, we want young teenagers to be able to access our site.
00:20:46.900And if you don't allow minors to access pornography through Pornhub, then we will sue you.
00:20:54.940We will sue you, the state of Louisiana, the state of North Carolina, Montana, all of these other states in Texas doing the same things.
00:21:02.900And we will make it so difficult for you to gain support because we will take porn away from all of the adult users that you have in that state where you feel pressure then to change the law, which is really, really just sick.
00:21:18.980Yes. And they strike a chord with their users, their adult users, under the guise of free speech.
00:21:27.640So they say that asking to verify age in a state to access pornography is actually a violation of your free speech.
00:21:37.380And I'm a huge believer in free speech. I love free speech.
00:21:42.660But I think that's a nerve that they really successfully hit with a lot of their viewers in these in these states.
00:21:49.760But when it comes to protecting children from destructive content, children cannot consent to viewing that kind of content.
00:21:59.600Um, that's that's where free speech ends.
00:22:03.620Yeah. Well, there have always been limitations to free speech.
00:22:06.240And while I am a big supporter of free speech in the First Amendment, too, you wouldn't be, you know, doing what you do.
00:22:12.680I wouldn't be doing what I do without free speech.
00:22:15.240And so I'm I'm very thankful for that.
00:22:17.040It is my belief that pornography does not fall under the umbrella of free speech, that it is all obscene, but especially when you are talking about children.
00:22:25.260And also, it does not limit free speech to restrict access from children to certain kinds of content, of course.
00:22:33.440How did you get in touch with these people?
00:22:48.180Like, tell us about the process, because absolutely.
00:22:51.160How did you get Farley and the other guy to sit down with you?
00:22:56.720It kind of looks like y'all were on a date.
00:25:17.360Were you nervous going on a date, a fake date with someone who worked at Pornhub?
00:25:23.580No, and I think I could probably thank my past in Hollywood for that because there's all sorts of people I've dealt with on a daily basis who do things I disagree with for work.
00:25:41.000And really, Mike Farley, as a person, person to person, having a regular conversation, he's just another regular guy.
00:26:00.520That is so interesting that you found him on the dating app just almost by happenstance.
00:26:07.220And do you think that your background in acting, because people may not know, but you had a role in Modern Family at one point and you've done some other acting gigs, do you think it helped you in these situations to be able to call the advertising rep and to get in touch with these people and basically convince them that you're someone who just wants to go on a date with them or whatever?
00:26:31.500I think being an actor actually led me to do undercover work in the first place because I thought I could get away with building these characters and also just having the guts to stand up in front of someone and essentially just do like a live theater without them knowing.
00:27:30.340They demand that we remove all of the videos that we've posted and they also demand that we save all of our records pending further legal action.
00:27:41.300And it's really funny because they're, they accuse us of doing all these things.
00:27:48.060They accuse us of, they accuse me of lying about myself, pretending to go on dates in order to get information.
00:27:56.720And it's like, yeah, you're just describing undercover journalism.
00:29:03.700It's interesting how they only care about ethics for other people and not for themselves.
00:29:08.040All of a sudden, all of a sudden, when they're dealing with a journalist, they're very concerned with honesty and transparency and your real identification and who you actually are and the ethics that you are operating under.
00:29:19.740But not when it comes to them making money off of the sex, sexual exploitation of minors.
00:29:24.580And, you know, they use these exact words.
00:29:26.300They said, you non-consensually recorded and uploaded videos of our employees.
00:29:33.480And I don't know why the lawyers even thought it was a good idea to put that in there because it's just so ironic.
00:31:46.080Pornhub doesn't even know that itself.
00:31:48.280According to a 2020 survey, the majority of children are exposed to porn by age 13, with some as young as seven.
00:31:55.360Most of the time it's unintentional or unwanted.
00:31:57.480In a study of 4,000 heterosexual porn scenes, 35 to 45 percent contained an act of physical aggression, mostly against women.
00:32:06.360According to a meta-analysis of 22 studies from seven countries, porn use is associated with increases in physical aggression.
00:32:14.720An analysis of 12,323 people found that exposure to porn may increase the risk for committing sexual offenses.
00:32:23.580And I saw this in the Daily Mail just a couple days ago.
00:32:28.480British children commit, according to this study, 18 rapes a day.
00:32:32.860Shock official figures reveal 15,000 rapes and sex attacks by under-18s in 2022 with access to violent online porn blamed for normalizing criminal behavior.
00:32:45.820I absolutely think that there is a causal relationship between the pervasiveness of sexual assault, especially when it comes to minors,
00:32:53.580and pornography, when that just becomes normalized in your mind, of course you're going to be more likely to carry it out, don't you think?
00:33:01.900I grew up in the digital age where internet porn was available.
00:33:06.400And I definitely remember, unfortunately, learning way too much at a young age about certain sexual things because the boys at school would talk about them and treat the girls a certain way and even go as far as touching some girls a certain way.
00:33:23.420And this was because they were at home and pornography was available to them online at the tip of their fingers.
00:33:30.460I mean, the iPhone was out when I was in fifth grade, so this stuff was all available when I was super young.
00:33:38.800Gosh, parents, I think, were so unequipped in a lot of ways when the iPhone came out just because it was so different than the Sidekick or the Blackberry or the Palm Pilot, which is probably before your time.
00:33:52.800But access to the internet in the palm of our hands was really kind of new.
00:33:59.180Of course, everyone had like a family computer that you could go to.
00:34:02.720But when I was growing up, we didn't even have our own laptops.
00:34:06.240And a lot of people didn't even have TVs in their room.
00:34:08.700And then we go from not having our own personal devices to having the entire world wide web in the palm of our hands.
00:34:17.740I'm hoping that parents are more equipped than they were, you know, 10 to 15 years ago because we know the effect of this.
00:34:24.800But, you know, as a mom myself of young kids, I worry not just about, you know, what they stumble upon.
00:34:33.780And obviously, we are very protective.
00:34:35.720But the kind of people that they are going to be around, I'm concerned about other parents.
00:34:42.920It's like, are other parents, are you guys going to ensure that your kids are protected, that they're not watching pornography, that they're not accessing this stuff so that their behavior doesn't, you know, negatively affect the other people around them?
00:34:58.340I'm worried about both the boys and the girls that are going to be affected by the pervasiveness of pornography and how it rewires their brain and hurts their relationships.
00:35:06.240It is a worry, and it's just inevitable now for young people.
00:35:13.080They're going to be exposed to pornography in one way or another if they're sent to school, if they have access to devices, or if their friends have access, or their friend's older brothers have access to devices.
00:35:23.660I think we're at a stage now where parents must start teaching their children in an age-appropriate way about porn and how to recognize it and know that if they're ever shown it or they ever see it, they should report it to their parent or trusted adult immediately.
00:35:42.600It's sad, but this is where we are, and there's actually a wonderful children's book called Good Pictures, Bad Pictures, that parents can read aloud to their kids, and it teaches kids in an age-appropriate way how to recognize what pornography is and what they should do if they're exposed to it.
00:36:02.420Yeah, I think that a lot of people think, especially for teen boys, that, oh, it's just normal.
00:36:08.440Of course they want to see naked women.
00:36:10.860Oh, this is just like the age of Playboy.
00:36:13.740Well, first of all, that's always wrong, whether it's a Playboy magazine or pornography, but even what they're seeing online is not the same as a still picture.
00:36:21.400They are being exposed to more and more violent content, more and more pedophilic content.
00:36:27.220And by just normalizing that and just saying, oh, boys will be boys, you have no idea how you are ruining them for future healthy relationships and their own sexual health.
00:37:43.600And I think a realistic ask, at least for us, for sound investigations and myself, is similar to how cigarettes, tobacco, went through a complete –
00:37:59.780They had to have much improved transparency over the past several decades because they were branded as healthy, and doctors were endorsing smoking and things like that.
00:38:11.180But there was a huge wake-up call that forced them to be more transparent about the effects of smoking.
00:38:18.920And so I think similar with pornography, there needs to be some sort of warning on these sites saying,
00:38:25.920these are the societal implications of pornography use, and these are the health implications of pornography use.
00:38:33.520And if you want to proceed, then go ahead.
00:38:36.780And the new Texas bill, actually, that verifies age of a user on a pornography site also requires a disclaimer like that now.
00:38:46.960So I have yet to check if Pornhub has complied, but I've been meaning to check that.
00:40:07.720Um, in the moment, it sounds really strange.
00:40:10.920Yes, it was disturbing, but it was actually exciting for me to be able to actually get these admissions on camera
00:40:17.940because they were my suspicions for such a long time.
00:40:21.160So, just to have someone not stick to the normal PR adult industry response and really tell me what was really going on, that was exciting.