Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 94

00:00:00.000 Hello, Relatable. Happy Wednesday. I hope that everyone is having a great week. I got a lot of

00:00:05.460 messages about Monday's podcast about biblical suffering, how a lot of you felt like it came

00:00:11.800 at the right time. And I just appreciate you letting me know that and telling me some of your

00:00:16.200 stories. It was kind of just a spontaneous decision to make a podcast on that subject,

00:00:22.440 but I did feel like, okay, this is an evergreen topic that no matter what is going to reach

00:00:27.920 someone. So I'm glad that it was effective to you guys. And I'm glad that you felt like it came at

00:00:32.660 the right time for some of you. If you haven't listened yet, you should definitely go back

00:00:36.400 to Monday. It is a podcast on biblical suffering and affliction, which like I said, whether you

00:00:41.840 are in a good season or a bad season is extremely applicable. Chances are, you know, someone who is

00:00:46.480 going through something if you're not right now. And so it can offer encouragement to them. It's

00:00:50.600 not anything that I said, but just pointing to what God's word says about it. And thankfully,

00:00:54.800 because God is a God of compassion. He has a lot to say about it. Speaking of compassion,

00:00:59.120 we are going to talk about abortion today. Now I know that we talk about abortion a lot on this

00:01:04.680 podcast, but that's because it comes up in the news so much. I'm also extremely passionate about

00:01:09.580 this topic because it just amazes me day after day, week after week, how, uh, how incredibly this

00:01:18.080 message of, uh, abortion is evil is obscured, particularly by people on the left, sometimes

00:01:24.780 by people on the right who claim to be pro-choice based on an erroneous argument for, uh, their

00:01:30.240 version of limited government. But this idea that abortion, um, is a right of a woman to choose that

00:01:37.720 it's about autonomy, that it's about Liberty, that it's about equality, that it's about freedom

00:01:42.400 has been so effectively propagated by Planned Parenthood and all of their cronies in the

00:01:47.180 democratic party that we have really lost sight of science, of basic logic, of basic morality.

00:01:53.620 And it's really important for me to kind of, uh, unveil the truth about abortion and the truth

00:02:01.760 about the hypocrisy of people who are proponents of it. Now, of course, I am not the only one who does

00:02:07.040 this. There are so many people in this realm who do an amazing job of advocating for life.

00:02:12.400 And tearing down the pro-choice arguments, which honestly is not very difficult to do because

00:02:17.720 as I've said before, they are all straw men. Every single pro-choice argument is a straw man.

00:02:23.940 And we might get to a little bit of that, but there are so many good people that stand up for

00:02:27.840 life. I just happen to be one of them. And I happen to be a very passionate one of them

00:02:32.520 because, uh, it's hard for me not to see how this is such an integral biblical and cultural

00:02:40.220 subject. So the reason why we are talking about it today is because the Georgia state legislature

00:02:45.000 passed what they are calling a heartbeat bill. It's actually the living infants, fairness and

00:02:50.380 equality act. I think that's a perfect name for it. Um, that acronym is life, the life act.

00:02:56.560 This is house bill 481, which bands all abortions. Once a heartbeat is detected. Any of you who know

00:03:04.040 about gestation, even if you've been pregnant or not, uh, the heartbeat is detected as early as six

00:03:10.720 weeks. Sometimes it's even a little bit earlier than that. I got my first ultrasound for those of

00:03:16.420 you who don't know, I'm pregnant. I am pregnant. I got my full first ultrasound at a seven and a half

00:03:21.240 weeks. And in that seven and a half weeks, you see the little beating heart just kind of looks like

00:03:26.380 a jelly bean, but you see the little beating heart that early. And it had already been there for a week

00:03:31.940 and a half at least. And so this says that, uh, quote, physicians performing abortions to determine

00:03:37.760 the existence of a detectable human heartbeat before performing an abortion to provide for the

00:03:43.040 reporting of certain information by physicians. So that's what this bill requires. The bill also

00:03:48.900 states that by definition, uh, the full value of a child begins at the point when a detectable human

00:03:55.920 heartbeat exists. Now I disagree with that. I fundamentally disagree with that. I think

00:04:01.900 actually that's a very unscientific statement and we'll see that the bill talks about, uh, medical

00:04:07.460 information and scientific information. That's a very unscientific explanation for when the value

00:04:14.340 of life, when the value of life is put on a child. I don't really see any other logical point to give

00:04:21.340 value to a human life other than conception at conception. That child has a separate DNA separate

00:04:28.120 from its mother. It is a separate organism from its mother. And so in order, just let's just be

00:04:33.800 safe. Let's say that the value of life starts when scientifically life begins. Why logically would

00:04:41.000 it start at any other point? Honestly, the heartbeat is a very arbitrary point to say, this is when the

00:04:46.680 value of life is put on a child. However, constitutionally right now, of course, I don't think it's a good

00:04:53.420 constitutional argument, but via Roe v. Wade, we are, a state is not allowed to completely ban abortion.

00:05:00.780 And so this is really the earliest that you can ban it. When you detect a heartbeat, we'll see if this

00:05:06.620 actually holds up in court. This is going to be challenged in court. No question. Um, no, I think

00:05:12.620 that it's great. I just happened to think that that one particular line, that the full value of a child

00:05:17.920 begins at the point when a detectable human heartbeat exists. I find that completely erroneous

00:05:23.340 based on what who said. So we'll move past that. That's my one critique. Of course, I do support this

00:05:29.900 legislation, but let's not talk about pseudo philosophical value of life begins at this

00:05:36.320 arbitrary point stuff in order to make the point that we need to save as many unborn lives as possible.

00:05:41.440 Part of section two of the bill states this modern medical science, not available decades ago,

00:05:46.840 demonstrates that unborn children are a class of living distinct persons and more expansive state

00:05:52.460 recognition of unborn children as persons did not exist when a planned parenthood v. Casey and Roe v.

00:05:58.720 Wade established abortion related precedents. Now, okay. I have another, I actually have another

00:06:04.480 problem with the language of this bill, uh, because it says living distinct persons. I would have

00:06:10.720 wanted some clarification in the bill and maybe it's there. I just didn't read it because there is a,

00:06:16.140 there is a distinction, at least that some people make between a person and a human being. A human

00:06:22.420 being is seen as more of a scientific term. A person is seen as more of a philosophical term. Of

00:06:27.740 course, I believe that a human being is a person at the point of conception because they're a human being

00:06:32.820 at conception with that separate DNA. And so they're a person at conception as well, because what other

00:06:39.520 definition do we have of person besides human being? We shouldn't have one because all others

00:06:43.980 would be arbitrary. So it doesn't really make that much sense to me to say the unborn children are a

00:06:50.000 class of living distinct persons, but then say that the value of a child begins at the point at which

00:06:54.920 a detectable human heartbeat exists. And so already I do have a little bit of problem with the language

00:07:00.720 here. I do think it's unscientific and I don't think it matches the philosophical arguments that

00:07:05.380 people have for abortion. Like I said, I am for the consequences of this bill. I think it could have

00:07:12.940 done a little bit of a better and more explicit job in explaining what it is actually standing for.

00:07:18.020 So section two goes on to say the state of Georgia applying reason judgment to the full body of modern

00:07:22.720 medical science recognizes the benefits of providing full legal recognition to an unborn child above the

00:07:29.160 minimum requirements of federal law. Article one, section one, paragraphs one and two of the

00:07:35.240 constitution of the state of Georgia affirmed that quote, no person shall be deprived of life,

00:07:40.220 liberty or property except by due process of law. And that quote, protection to person and property

00:07:45.960 is the paramount duty of government and shall be impartial and incomplete. No person shall be denied

00:07:53.020 the equal protection of the laws, which of course I agree with. Now in this particular bill,

00:07:57.700 they're saying a person is an unborn child with a heartbeat. I've already, I've already explained

00:08:04.200 my contentions with that, but that's probably what they have to do in order to get this bill

00:08:08.420 to be seen as constitutional in light of Planned Parenthood v. Casey and Roe v. Wade. Um, as I've

00:08:15.040 already said, a child's heartbeat can be detected as early as six weeks. Uh, this is also the time where

00:08:20.400 cells in the, in the baby's body start forming, uh, other vital organs such as the brain, such as the

00:08:25.680 spinal cord, seven weeks into pregnancy, nostrils can actually be visible and the baby's face and

00:08:31.440 brain are now growing. My second ultrasound ultrasound that I had, uh, was at 11 and a half

00:08:37.540 weeks. And I was absolutely stunned to see how human-like all, although we knew that she was a

00:08:45.040 human, obviously, uh, how human-like she looked. I mean, the first time you see your child, they do

00:08:50.200 kind of look like that jelly bean with a beating heart inside the second time you see your child

00:08:54.360 only 11 and a half weeks. They look how they are going to look when they're born just really small.

00:08:59.880 I mean, they have a lot of development to do, but they've got arms and legs and fingers and toes.

00:09:04.640 They're moving around. They're flipping. You see their little brain. You see their heart. You see

00:09:08.740 their rib cage. You see their spinal cord. You see all of that at just 11 and a half weeks. And in fact,

00:09:14.780 if you get an ultrasound a little bit earlier than that, 11 weeks, 10 and a half weeks, 10 weeks,

00:09:18.920 you're going to see about the same thing. Now the limbs will still kind of look like nubs,

00:09:22.820 but they're already forming. At 11 and a half weeks, I burst into tears seeing my daughter on

00:09:27.580 the, on the ultrasound screen because of how, uh, human she was and how human she looked. I mean,

00:09:33.760 this is a baby. There is no denying that whatsoever. There is no scientific argument that you can think

00:09:40.240 of that would say that that's not a human being. What makes it not a human being? It really is just

00:09:46.240 whether or not the child is wanted. Well, that's not a scientific argument. That is a selfish

00:09:51.460 argument. That is an emotional argument. That's not even really a philosophical argument, but it's

00:09:56.980 certainly not a scientific argument coming from the party who says that they care so much about science.

00:10:02.900 Uh, Georgia's governor joins Mississippi and Kentucky's who signed fetal heartbeat measures

00:10:08.200 into law in recent weeks. Uh, other States, including Florida, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee,

00:10:12.940 and Texas are also expected to approve similar measures this year. This is what happens when

00:10:18.540 you have a left that goes so crazy about abortion. And I don't want to jump the gun because we're

00:10:22.840 going to get into that. Just a reminder of the measures that the left has taken to ensure the

00:10:27.460 legality of abortion up and through birth through birth. We're talking partial birth abortions and

00:10:33.440 even letting a child die after they have been unsuccessfully aborted, partially birth aborted.

00:10:39.060 Um, this is what happens. This is the reaction. You have people, you have States wanting to restrict

00:10:45.840 abortion as much as possible, which I am, I am glad for. And I have said, I re I wrote an article

00:10:50.760 in town hall that New York's law to legalize abortion to and through birth was the best thing

00:10:58.440 that happened for the pro-life movement because you had people who were pro-choice saying, okay,

00:11:02.500 yeah, I'm for autonomy. I'm for equal rights, but I'm not for killing a moving writhing child.

00:11:10.200 Like I'm just, I just can't make myself say that that's okay. And of course, yes,

00:11:15.180 there's some cognitive dissonance there because it's always a child, but even the thought of a

00:11:20.200 fully formed nine month child coming out of the womb and having their brain sucked out of them,

00:11:24.860 which is what partial birth abortion literally is. A lot of people just couldn't stomach that.

00:11:29.500 And so I've said almost, it's almost a good thing. Not really. It's an evil thing,

00:11:35.540 but God is able to use this evil thing for good because the reaction from pro-lifers and even some

00:11:41.980 moderate pro-choicers are whoa, whoa, whoa. I can't get behind that. So that's why you see States

00:11:47.080 like Mississippi, Kentucky, Georgia, Florida, Missouri, Ohio, Tennessee, and Texas preparing

00:11:52.260 to make these restrictions as soon as possible. Georgia's governor, Brian Kemp. Um, I'm doing this

00:11:58.260 podcast on Tuesday. He is expected to sign this bill, um, as the legislation, the legislative

00:12:05.440 session ends, uh, today, uh, once signed, the law will become effective January 1st, 2020.

00:12:13.680 Uh, so in reaction though, to Kentucky's law, like I said, they passed a similar one on March 15th,

00:12:19.220 judge David J. Hale of the Western district of Kentucky ruled the law was potentially,

00:12:23.820 potentially unconstitutional. So he halted the enforcement for at least 14 days to prevent

00:12:28.940 irreparable harm. That's a quote until he could hold a hearing. It's funny how little these people

00:12:34.740 seem to care about the irreparable harm that is done to pre-born children. Uh, similar reaction

00:12:39.920 occurred, uh, on the eve of the Georgia vote when about 50, 50 Hollywood actors, our favorite policy

00:12:47.640 experts, Hollywood actors, including Alyssa Milano, the genius Alyssa Milano, Amy Schumer,

00:12:54.300 Ben Stiller. They wrote an open letter. Y'all know how much I love open letters. Open letters have to be

00:13:00.140 the most dramatic development of 2019 politics. Open letters, open letters to my teacher in fourth

00:13:09.920 grade who taught me about bigotry. My open letter to all of you people out there who don't believe that

00:13:16.940 the gender wage gap is real. Open letter, open letters bother me. Just write an article.

00:13:23.820 They're just so dramatic. They're so dramatic and they're so emotional, but what do we expect from

00:13:29.920 Hollywood? I mean, they're a bunch of actors. So they wrote this dramatic open letter threatening

00:13:35.440 to pull business out of the state, which has been a hub for filming movies and television shows like

00:13:41.060 The Walking Dead, something I never watch, but a lot of you probably do. That was filmed there.

00:13:45.660 Here's a section of this open letter. It reads as follows. This dangerous and deeply flawed bill.

00:13:53.540 No citation for that. Just set it. This dangerous and deeply flawed bill mimics many others which have

00:14:00.580 already been deemed unconstitutional. Wrong. Wrong. So we got that one sentence out of the way.

00:14:06.320 Wrong. They have not been deemed unconstitutional. Actually, they have been called potentially

00:14:10.800 unconstitutional by liberal judges. They have not been deemed unconstitutional. So

00:14:15.260 you're wrong. As men who identify as small government conservatives, we remind you that

00:14:22.480 government is never bigger than when it is inside of a woman's body or in her doctor's office.

00:14:28.640 Okay. So these are the same people who believe in Medicare for all that you and I should not have

00:14:36.340 the choice of private health insurance, even if we want it. We should not be able to choose our

00:14:40.940 doctors. We shouldn't have any choice in our health care whatsoever. That is, in essence,

00:14:45.740 putting government inside of our doctor's office and consequently inside of our bodies because it

00:14:51.960 restricts the kind of care that we can get. These same people who advocate for Medicare for all and

00:14:56.580 these democratic platforms that expand the power of the government, especially through something like

00:15:00.540 the Green New Deal, are telling us that they care about limited government when it comes to preventing

00:15:07.400 people from killing unborn children, from tearing them apart limb by limb with forceps. All of the

00:15:15.040 sudden, they care about limited government when it comes to that. It is not a limited government thing

00:15:20.460 here. We're not talking about government overreach. We're asking the government to follow its

00:15:24.840 basic constitutional responsibilities, which is to preserve our ability to pursue life, liberty,

00:15:32.140 and property. That has nothing to do with government overreach. That has everything to do. Even the most

00:15:40.360 libertarian of us, even the person who believes in the smallest, lightest form of government out there

00:15:47.720 can still be pro-life by saying, okay, if there's any basic responsibility that the government has,

00:15:53.040 is to protect and preserve innocent life. I mean, that's not a big government argument. That's just

00:15:59.840 a basic human decency, small government. We're talking bare minimum responsibility for the

00:16:06.580 government argument. Okay, so they've already been wrong like five times and I've only read a sentence

00:16:11.320 and a half. So as men who identify as small government conservatives, we remind you that government is

00:16:17.040 never bigger than when it is inside a woman's body or in her doctor's office. This bill would remove the

00:16:22.180 possibility of a woman receiving reproductive health care. Again, again, no one's talking about

00:16:29.080 health care here. Can someone scientifically medically explain to me how abortion is health

00:16:34.420 care? Can you explain that to me? How is killing another human being going to save the life of one

00:16:40.520 human being? Can you explain that? All of these people who say, oh yes, well, third trimester abortion,

00:16:46.580 it only really occurs when the life of the mother is at stake. No, if you're in your third trimester right

00:16:52.360 now, and I'm a little over 27 weeks, and I just got into my third trimester. So Saturday was the first

00:16:59.260 day of the third trimester. I'm 27 and a half weeks now. My child, if I go to the end of this week,

00:17:07.060 then, and I delivered early at the end of this week, my child has a 95% chance of surviving.

00:17:13.220 95% chance. If I had gone into labor at the end of last week, I think she had like an 85% chance of

00:17:20.180 surviving. That's a really good chance of surviving. And so if something happened to me where it was no

00:17:27.080 longer safe for me to be pregnant, they're not going to kill my child. They're going to take my

00:17:32.480 child outside of my body because she almost has a hundred percent chance of surviving. So anyone tells

00:17:38.580 you, if anyone tells you that in the third trimester, you have to kill the, even, even in the second

00:17:44.800 trimester, up until I would say like 22 weeks. I mean, that's going to be really hard for the child

00:17:49.940 to survive if they are delivered that early, but it's happened. If anyone tells you that it is necessary

00:17:55.900 to kill the child, especially at this point, in order to save the life of the mother,

00:18:01.500 it's complete hogwash. It's a total and complete lie. My child right now almost has a hundred percent

00:18:08.460 chance of surviving. If something happened to me and I could no longer be pregnant,

00:18:14.340 they would deliver her. They would take her out probably by C-section and she would survive and

00:18:19.980 she would have a life. So it is never an argument that you need to abort the child in order to save the

00:18:26.640 mother. No, no. So we're not talking about reproductive healthcare. Tell me what other

00:18:32.980 kind of healthcare requires you to kill someone else that is not your body. I don't know. I don't

00:18:40.440 know. So let's keep going. Uh, this bill would remove the possibility of a woman receiving reproductive

00:18:46.480 healthcare before, before most even know they are pregnant. Okay. Well, that's not really

00:18:55.420 a problem. First of all, if you're a woman, you should be keeping track of your period. And so

00:19:00.860 if you're a late, you should probably take a pregnancy test. I mean, that's just, I don't even,

00:19:05.680 honestly, I don't really even understand how that happens. Like I took a pregnancy test as soon as I

00:19:11.960 thought that I was pregnant, like a media, I, whatever. I just don't really understand. Okay.

00:19:16.500 Before, uh, most even know that they are pregnant and force many women to undergo unregulated hidden

00:19:22.600 procedures at great risk to their own health. Now, this is a myth. What they're trying to say

00:19:27.960 is that this is going to force women into back alley abortions and to use coat hangers. Well,

00:19:32.980 that's not true. We know that the, uh, evidence so-called evidence that was given for Roe v. Wade

00:19:38.220 was largely inflated. Um, their argument was that, you know, if we don't allow abortions,

00:19:43.600 the women are going to die in back alleys, whatever, same argument that they're making here.

00:19:47.360 Well, that has been completely debunked. That wasn't happening on a large scale. Sure. That

00:19:51.380 happened, uh, every now and then because people are going to go to whatever means they want to go

00:19:56.700 to in order to carry out whatever will they have. But it is just not true that this is always the

00:20:04.020 result of us restricting abortion. And even if it were, look, I'm on the same page as this. I want

00:20:11.060 to make abortion unthinkable. That is why I give to a pro-life pregnancy centers that are offering

00:20:16.520 all kinds of services to women. They are offering free prenatal care, something that really planned

00:20:21.880 parenthood does not do. They are giving parenting classes. They're even helping with immigration

00:20:26.240 services, making sure that people who are illegal immigrants, uh, can start the citizenship process.

00:20:31.620 They are making sure that women who are abused, that they are given housing, that they are given

00:20:36.040 security, that they are given the resources they need to be able to protect them and their child.

00:20:40.340 They help them through the adoption process. Now I can't speak for every single pro-life center in the

00:20:45.140 country. I'm not sure if, if that's true for every single center, but the center that I give to in

00:20:49.140 my area, uh, they do, they offer real options. Planned Parenthood does not offer real options.

00:20:55.500 They offer you one option. That's why the word or the phrase pro-choice is a complete misnomer.

00:21:02.080 Let's keep going with this open letter before most even know that they are pregnant and force many

00:21:08.480 women to undergo unregulated hidden procedures at great risk to their health, blah, blah, blah. That's not true.

00:21:13.100 Uh, we can't imagine they say Ben Stiller says we can't imagine being elected officials who had to

00:21:20.960 say to their constitutions. I think that's supposed to be constituents. Um, I enacted a law that was so

00:21:27.280 evil. It chased billions of dollars out of our state's economy. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding

00:21:33.700 me? Evil? It's evil. You want to talk about evil? Like, have you ever seen an abortion? Do you know what it

00:21:40.300 is? So in the first trimester, you take a pill, it poisons the child at much risk to the mother.

00:21:45.480 By the way, the woman passes what looks like a blob of tissue, but was actually her unborn child.

00:21:50.380 And she's in pain for about 24 to 48 hours. Uh, in the second trimester, it's too big to do that.

00:21:56.520 The unborn child is too big to do that. And so you have to dry up the amniotic fluid that is keeping

00:22:01.280 the child alive. And then, uh, the abortion doctor sucks the child out, but before they can suck the

00:22:07.520 child out with this tiny little tube, you can look this up any, by the way, you, it doesn't even have

00:22:12.080 to be, um, on any kind of pro-life pro-life site and abortion center will tell you what a DNC or a DNX

00:22:19.300 abortion is. If you look online, they might sanitize the language, but they'll tell you what it is.

00:22:23.460 You have to tear that child apart limb from limb with forceps because they don't fit into this

00:22:28.120 little tube. And so after you do that, you suck the remaining fluid and you suck the remaining

00:22:33.040 fetal matter, they would say, or tissue, they would say into this little vacuum. Uh, that's what

00:22:38.080 happens in a second trimester abortion. Now a third trimester abortion is very complicated because

00:22:41.900 you've got a fully formed child that's ready to be born in there. And so what you have to do is

00:22:45.680 that you have to, um, induce labor and you have to partially deliver the child. And then you make an

00:22:50.820 incision in the back of the child's skull and, uh, crushing the skull and you suck the brain

00:22:57.400 matter, the cerebral matter out of the skull with a vacuum type tube thing, uh, almost the same

00:23:04.340 looking type thing that you would do in a second trimester abortion. Now you can think that I'm

00:23:08.260 exaggerating. That's fine. Uh, you can go online and you can say, what is the second trimester

00:23:12.960 abortion? What is the third trimester abortion? I'll tell you the same thing. Please fact check me.

00:23:16.860 Tell me if this is a hyperbole. Tell me if I'm just being too graphic and I'm exaggerating these

00:23:21.360 things for you. No, that's what abortion is. And Ben Stiller wants to tell me that it's evil

00:23:27.340 to prevent, to prevent that. He wants to tell me that it's, that it's so evil to make sure that

00:23:33.800 vulnerable, helpless children are protected from having their schools crushed by a doctor.

00:23:41.640 You want to tell me that's evil? Really? Okay. There's just one second. When, when did it,

00:23:48.640 okay. We're using, we're using moral language, evil, good and evil, right? I'm sorry. When did Hollywood

00:23:56.500 become arbiters of morality? When did they care about right and wrong, good and bad, good and evil?

00:24:03.060 When did they get the authority to tell us what is evil and what is not? You want to watch one film

00:24:08.440 coming out of Hollywood and say, yeah, those are the people I look to for guidance in my moral life.

00:24:13.300 Those people have it together. The divorce rate is awesome in Hollywood. They're doing great things.

00:24:18.920 They seem super fulfilled. They've got it right. Please, Alyssa Milano, Ben Stiller, tell me more

00:24:26.500 about this good and evil dichotomy that you guys have suddenly discovered. I'm so interested. You

00:24:32.580 have a lot of authority when it comes to right and wrong. Your lives look awesome. Great. I mean,

00:24:38.440 with all of this Harvey Weinstein and grossness that is constantly coming out from Hollywood,

00:24:43.000 not just recently, by the way, it's always been this way. This really gross, sexualized, incestuous

00:24:48.120 place. We're supposed to listen to them on right and wrong, on morality, using almost religious

00:24:55.220 language like evil. Really, Ben Stiller? You want me to listen to you on that? I'm good. I'm good,

00:25:01.100 actually. So they go on to say, it's not the most effective campaign slogan, but rest assured,

00:25:07.920 we'll make it yours should it come to pass. Are you threatening them now? So you want to kill

00:25:13.320 babies and you're threatening politicians. Ooh, Alyssa Milano, you're so scary. Speaking of sweet

00:25:20.700 actress, Alyssa Milano, who, you know, was a big driver behind getting Kavanaugh, making sure that

00:25:29.480 he was not confirmed. She was a guest, of course, in those hearings. And she had her little clipboard

00:25:35.800 saying, like, I believe survivors or something like that. I mean, she's just she's a caricature

00:25:39.620 of a human being. So she was one of the authors of the letter. She stated in a tweet on Monday. I

00:25:44.360 mean, I just love again, I love I love when celebrities that have never shown any form of

00:25:51.020 human decency whatsoever tweet theological and moral things. It just it cracks me up. She says,

00:25:57.800 I love God. I believe in God, but I don't believe my personal beliefs of which we can't confirm

00:26:03.420 should override scientific facts and what we can confirm. If I have told you earthly things and you

00:26:10.460 do not believe, how can you believe if I tell you heavenly things? John 312. OK, let's back up

00:26:16.100 sweet little Alyssa, because it sounds like you don't know anything about theology or science and

00:26:20.960 you are trying to tweet both together. So first of all, you love God and you believe in God, but you

00:26:28.280 don't believe that your personal beliefs like let's say that 12 more times and see if we can

00:26:33.240 even comprehend what she's saying. Logically, we don't believe she doesn't believe that her

00:26:37.880 personal beliefs of which we can't confirm. Why are you a Christian? Why do you believe these

00:26:42.720 things? You can't confirm them. You don't believe that the Bible is self-affirming. If you don't

00:26:47.780 believe that you can confirm anything that you believe that it's all just total blind faith and

00:26:52.820 you haven't used any reason or study whatsoever to come to the to come to the conclusions that you

00:26:58.340 have. Why are you a Christian? Honestly, like I've said many times on this podcast, get a new

00:27:04.260 hobby. Like if you don't really believe that what you're saying is true and if you don't believe that

00:27:09.600 it is worth your belief system is worth affecting how you believe politically, then why do you believe

00:27:16.240 those things? That doesn't make any sense. The people who say that they need to separate their faith

00:27:20.540 from what they think about politics or culture, you don't really understand faith. If faith is the hub of

00:27:26.160 the wheel, if faith is the core of your being, then of course it's going to affect how you see

00:27:29.860 everything and it's going to affect what legislation you think should be passed. That is not advocating

00:27:35.240 for a theocracy. That is operating from a Christian worldview and quite frankly, it is impossible to

00:27:40.280 operate from a Christian worldview and completely separate your Christianity, your Christian faith

00:27:45.540 from what kind of government you want there to be and what kind of laws you want to be passed. I mean,

00:27:51.100 it doesn't make any sense. And then she talks about, uh, that faith overwriting scientific facts.

00:27:57.340 Okay. What scientific facts are you talking about in relation to abortion? Please. Like I would love

00:28:01.780 to know. We've already gone through the scientific facts. Like if you want to learn one thing about

00:28:06.460 embryology or one thing about gestation, I would love for you to do that. And then we can have a

00:28:11.320 conversation about science. What science are you talking about when it comes to abortion? You want to

00:28:15.940 talk about again, what abortion is? You want to talk again about when a heartbeat begins? Like,

00:28:20.700 have you ever been pregnant, Alyssa Milano? Have you ever heard a heartbeat inside the womb? It's

00:28:25.380 really easy to detect. Like you want to talk about science. Let's talk about science. I am not concerned

00:28:31.300 at all on whether or not science is going to affirm the existence of God. That battle has already been

00:28:36.520 won. Um, John 3, 12, she says, if I've told you earthly things and you do not believe, how can you

00:28:42.280 believe if I tell you heavenly things? I'm not even sure what she means by that. This is Jesus

00:28:46.780 talking to Nicodemus who came to him in the dark of the night. Nicodemus, of course, was a very

00:28:52.000 learned scholar. He was a senator. He was a man of authority in Jerusalem. He comes to Jesus and he

00:28:57.520 asks him all these questions. Jesus answers him in verse three. Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one

00:29:02.000 is born again, he could not see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus is all confused because he is confused by

00:29:07.640 his own worldly knowledge on the spiritual truth that Jesus is teaching. Um, scientific truths are

00:29:13.900 always going to affirm the existence of God. They're always going to affirm what the Bible says.

00:29:18.740 It's always going to affirm the existence of a creator. Uh, you can look at Matthew 25, uh, 40 through

00:29:25.100 45 to look at that. I mean, I don't understand. I'm not really understand what she thinks about Psalm

00:29:30.700 139, that there is value of the child inside the mother's womb, that we are fearfully and wonderfully

00:29:36.500 made that God knit us together while we were inside her mother's bodies. I mean, what does

00:29:40.340 she think about that? I mean, these celebrities are terrible at theology. They pick and choose these

00:29:46.060 random verses that think support that someone honestly tweeted them or they saw on Pinterest

00:29:50.620 or Instagram thinking, Oh, well, this supports what I'm saying. They have no idea about context.

00:29:55.100 Do you honestly think Alyssa Milano studies the Bible? I'm sorry. I'm just being real based on the

00:29:59.940 other things that she's saying based on the fruit in her life. Like, do you honestly think

00:30:03.700 that she is studying the Bible? I don't think so. Because if this, if you think that this verse

00:30:09.380 supports abortion, girl, girl, I I'm not sure. I don't know. I would love to have a conversation

00:30:16.040 with Alyssa Milano though. I really would. And I pray for her. I pray that the Holy Spirit softens

00:30:21.260 her heart and opens up her mind to any sort of biblical wisdom whatsoever of which she is

00:30:28.380 horrifically lacking. Now we already know that Democrats, uh, at least the democratic candidates,

00:30:34.400 they are extremely passionate about abortion. Now I'm not trying to use hyperbole here.

00:30:39.700 They are extremely passionate about, uh, about abortion and they want abortion to be legal,

00:30:44.740 uh, to and through birth. Pete Buttigieg. I think I said his name correctly. I watched him on a CNN town

00:30:51.400 hall a couple of weeks ago and I actually thought that he was very articulate, very compelling and very

00:30:55.680 charismatic. And he said that his last name was pronounced Buddha judge. And so I I'm going to

00:31:00.540 try my best to continue to get that correct. Um, so he has kind of been seen as this like middle of

00:31:05.480 the road guy. Uh, he is a Midwestern mayor and, uh, he's 37 years old. He is as from South Bend,

00:31:15.140 Indiana. Uh, he was elected to mayor in 2011. He was only 29 years old. Uh, he was reelected in 2015.

00:31:23.260 He got 80% of the vote. He also served as lieutenant in the U S Navy reserve. He took an

00:31:28.440 unpaid a seven months leave during his mayoral term to go to Afghanistan. Uh, in 2017, Buddha judge

00:31:35.600 ran for the democratic national committee chair, which earned him more of a national standing,

00:31:40.520 uh, than what he had in years past. He is Harvard grad. He was recognized by president Obama as one

00:31:46.720 of the four Democrats who represented the future of the democratic party. And so, um, I think a lot of

00:31:52.040 people, even conservatives, like the fact that he is a veteran, he is from, uh, a pretty conservative

00:31:57.360 state. And so they see him as someone who's going to be in the middle of the road. Uh, however,

00:32:01.700 he was asked about the subject of abortion on MSNBC morning, Joe, he was asked about the decisions in

00:32:08.660 both, uh, New York and Virginia. And here's what he said. Do you support the late term, uh, abortion

00:32:15.220 legislation that was passed in the New York state legislature, uh, as well as in Virginia?

00:32:21.060 I don't think we need more restrictions right now. And, uh, you know, uh, what I've learned in

00:32:27.100 Indiana being at a place where, uh, you know, a lot of my friends, a lot of my supporters even come

00:32:32.160 from a different place than I do, uh, being pro choice. I just believe that when a woman is in that

00:32:37.460 situation, uh, and when we're talking about some of those situations covered by that law, extremely

00:32:41.940 difficult, painful, uh, uh, often medically, uh, serious situations where life or health of the

00:32:47.520 mother is at stake. Uh, the involvement of a male government official like me is not helpful.

00:32:53.320 So I always think the argument is so interesting that men are not supposed to really be a part of

00:32:58.520 the decisions, uh, surrounding abortion when it was, there were nine justices who decided Roe v.

00:33:05.420 Wade. So if men aren't allowed to have a say in abortion, do we think that Roe v.

00:33:09.900 Wade should be overturned on those grounds? And it doesn't make any sense. You don't make this

00:33:14.940 argument for anything else. You don't say that straight people aren't allowed to have any say

00:33:18.520 whatsoever in, uh, the LGBT agenda. I mean, you don't say that for other things. You don't say

00:33:25.600 that, Oh, well, adults shouldn't have any say over what affects kids. So why can't men have any say

00:33:30.900 on what happens in an abortion? Well, the argument is of course, because it's a woman's body, but Hey,

00:33:36.240 it takes two to tango. It doesn't make any sense whatsoever that the life that was created and

00:33:41.060 will always be created by the way, by one man and one woman that men shouldn't have a say in it

00:33:46.160 whatsoever. It doesn't make any sense. So he is just as extreme on abortion as anyone else.

00:33:51.880 Even though people would like to see him as middle of the road, you're not going to find a democratic

00:33:55.720 candidate running for 2020, uh, that does not believe in full term abortion. You're just not

00:34:02.300 going to, uh, Beto O'Rourke. He has also kind of been seen in some ways as a moderate. Uh, he told

00:34:09.280 voters in New Hampshire recently that he would quote, trust women when it came to abortion access

00:34:14.260 and regulations. Uh, he was also asked his position, uh, on the born alive bill. If he had

00:34:21.060 been there, what would he have done? He said that he would have listened to the women that I wanted to

00:34:25.240 represent in the state of Texas. Um, I would have looked at the facts he said and understood the

00:34:31.940 truth. And I would have voted with those women to make their own decisions about their own bodies.

00:34:36.620 Okay. Even from that language right there, make their own decisions about their own bodies.

00:34:40.440 We know what he would have done. We know that he would have said, yes. Um, I believe that abortion

00:34:47.140 should be completely and totally fine and legalized to and through birth. And he would have voted against

00:34:52.120 the born alive, uh, survivors protection act. And so that's Beto O'Rourke. Uh, every single

00:34:57.660 democratic candidate that we, that we have running right now is for full-term abortion. That is against

00:35:04.000 the will of the American people. The vast majority of the American people believe that abortion should

00:35:09.140 be restricted to the first trimester. Um, only 12% actually believe that we should legalize. This is

00:35:15.600 according to Gallup. 12% believe that we should legalize abortion in the third trimester. The vast

00:35:21.240 majority of Americans believe in restrictions on abortion. And yet you have a democratic party

00:35:26.540 that is so far to the left of the rest of the country. But in my opinion, they will probably

00:35:31.240 drag people in that direction. Uh, I want to talk about this movie unplanned. I know a lot of you guys

00:35:37.360 have probably seen it. I saw it in February and it was extremely compelling. Uh, there's been a lot of

00:35:44.360 controversy surrounding it. It's kind of crazy because they, uh, it's rated R the MPAA decided

00:35:51.740 to give it an R rating due to the violence. Cause you do actually see what happens in an abortion,

00:35:57.180 which is extremely hard to watch. Um, but unplanned says that they feel like this is kind of trying to

00:36:03.720 steer away Christians or might steer away young people who need to see the consequences of abortion.

00:36:09.020 Uh, the story is about Abby Johnson. She had two abortions in her life. She worked for Planned

00:36:13.800 Parenthood. She was a huge supporter of abortion. She actually became pro-choice in college. Um,

00:36:19.700 she was such a staunch supporter that even her mother and her husband could not convince her to

00:36:25.220 think any differently about this. She excelled in the ranks of Planned Parenthood. She became the

00:36:29.540 director of a clinic where she worked, but one day she was called to assist with an abortion.

00:36:35.100 And then what she witnessed, uh, totally changed her perspective and changed her life on this.

00:36:40.620 And so this movie is about that story. It brings a really eyeopening look, uh, inside the abortion

00:36:46.500 industry from a woman who was once a passionate advocate of abortion and Planned Parenthood.

00:36:52.640 Uh, so you can go to, if you want to find out more about this or where it's playing in your area,

00:36:56.880 you can go to unplannedfilm.com. Um, it's playing right now. It came out March 29th. It already,

00:37:02.580 uh, I think the first weekend it was $6.1 million, which really surprised a lot of people. I mean,

00:37:08.840 this is not a mainstream necessarily movie. I mean, this is still a movie that doesn't have

00:37:14.000 all the budget and all the name recognition that, you know, your mainstream Hollywood movie did. And

00:37:18.600 yet it earned $6.1 million, partly because of the controversy that's been surrounding it. Um,

00:37:24.480 you're not going to leave this theater the same as when you went in. I can guarantee you that I was

00:37:28.880 very affected by this movie for a few days. Someone who already knew about gestation,

00:37:33.400 who already knew the reality of abortion, seeing it. I think it's really important for pro-life

00:37:37.660 people to go see it. Um, obviously if you can get pro-choice friends to go see it,

00:37:42.620 I would encourage you to do that as well. So go to unplannedfilm.com and you can find out more

00:37:47.780 information about that. Um, it really comes at a time unplanned when we are, we are discussing,

00:37:55.840 not just the morality of abortion, which we've been discussing for decades now. Um, but we are

00:38:01.820 seeing this radical moral shift in a lot of ways, but particularly when it comes to human dignity,

00:38:07.000 you have an entire side of the political aisle who refuses to acknowledge science,

00:38:11.820 who refuses to acknowledge morality, who refuses to acknowledge any reality whatsoever and continues

00:38:17.240 to sanitize the worst atrocity, um, of our time and in our country as choice and as liberation.

00:38:25.840 And as equal rights, that's, what's so scary about abortion. Yes, we have other evils that go on

00:38:31.260 here. We have mass murder. We have individual murder. We have sex trafficking. This of course is

00:38:37.340 not a perfect country and lots of bad things and horrible things happen on a daily basis. I mean,

00:38:42.160 we've got child abuse, we've got rape, we've got all, all the evil that you can think of that

00:38:47.520 happens here and elsewhere throughout the world. The difference though, in abortion is that it's just

00:38:52.400 as evil as any of those things. Abortion is just as evil as rape. Abortion is just as evil as murder

00:38:57.380 outside of the womb. It's just as evil as child abuse. It's just as evil as sex trafficking.

00:39:02.300 Abortion is just as evil, if not more evil than some of those things. And yet it is the only thing

00:39:08.460 that I can think of that is sanitized in such language. So as not to allude to the fact of what

00:39:14.380 it really is, which is the murder of a vulnerable and helpless and unsuspecting child who literally

00:39:20.880 flinches from the pain of the abortion needle, who literally starves to death inside the womb

00:39:26.800 because the amniotic fluid has been taken out, who literally has to writhe in pain as its limbs are

00:39:32.200 being torn apart from its body, who has to, who thinks that they are about to be born and to meet

00:39:37.380 their mother for the first time. And instead they feel an incision on the back of their head.

00:39:41.140 And before they know it, their brain is sucked out. And of course, as Governor Northam of Virginia

00:39:45.880 said, if a child survives an abortion, what the doctor would do is you would take the child out,

00:39:50.800 you would place the child on some kind of bed or whatever it was next to the mother. And the mother

00:39:57.880 and the doctor would decide what to do with this writhing child who was supposed to die in an abortion,

00:40:02.640 but somehow fought through and survived. We're, we're told that we're just supposed to say,

00:40:06.660 well, yeah, that's still a woman's choice outside the body. Umbilical cord is

00:40:10.840 is snipped, but the Virginia bill, um, that almost passed in the New York bill that passed would

00:40:17.580 say, well, it's still the woman's choice. It's, it's the woman's choice in that case. So now you've

00:40:22.360 got all of their so-called scientific, her body, her choice arguments completely thrown out the

00:40:28.520 window because you're talking about a child that yes, has always been separate from the, from the

00:40:33.240 mother, but now is actually not even attached to her by an umbilical cord. And you've got all of the

00:40:38.180 Democrats who are running for president saying, yeah, that's, that's fine. That's totally fine.

00:40:43.800 And like I said, this is probably the best thing that could ever happen for the pro-life movement

00:40:48.860 because the, the, the blinders are off. The veil has been, has been pushed back and we see the

00:40:55.420 reality of the evil of abortion, which it is evil from the time of conception to the time of birth.

00:41:00.760 But we're seeing what the end goal is. And has always been the deliberate ending of children.

00:41:07.720 People will tell you that's hyperbole. People will tell you that's fake news. People will tell

00:41:11.820 you that you're using emotionalism and that you're just trying to manipulate women into keeping their

00:41:16.280 child. What motive do I have to have people keep their child child? I mean, I don't, I don't have

00:41:22.000 any motivation behind that. It doesn't really affect me. The only reason that I believe that

00:41:28.080 children should be kept safe in and outside of the womb is for the sake of compassion,

00:41:33.760 for the sake of morality, for the sake of basic human decency. And because I think when we denigrate

00:41:39.200 human dignity, all of our other rights are at stake. They're up for grabs. Without life,

00:41:44.860 neither liberty nor happiness exists. That's why life in the declaration of independence comes first.

00:41:49.640 If you do not protect the dignity of the individual, then what right do you have to say

00:41:55.540 that we are entitled to anything else? I mean, that's the first and the foremost and most

00:41:59.560 fundamental right that's out there is the right to life. So once we tell the government that we,

00:42:07.380 that they can determine who is dignified, who has human dignity and who doesn't based on some

00:42:12.480 arbitrary standard of when personhood starts, an arbitrary standard of who is valuable and who is

00:42:17.320 not based on individual wantedness. Once we tell the government they have the authority to do that,

00:42:22.700 what's stopping the government to, to have the, uh, from having the authority to tell us that we

00:42:27.300 don't have other rights. If they have the authority to tell us that we don't have the right to human

00:42:31.340 life based on some standard that they've set based on unscientific means, uh, why can't they take

00:42:38.440 away every other right too? It doesn't make sense from a conservative perspective, not from a

00:42:42.220 constitutional perspective. And like I've said, not from a moral or logical or a biblical perspective

00:42:47.600 either. So, um, just think about that. When you, when you hear people saying that in order to be

00:42:54.800 compassionate, you have to vote Democrats, uh, that social justice is, um, is exclusive to the left.

00:43:02.740 And in order to be compassionate, you have to be a leftist social justician because that certainly

00:43:07.560 doesn't include the right to life, uh, for kids inside the womb. And so just consider that and consider

00:43:12.680 that when you're watching all of these debates and people like Pete Buttigieg, uh, sound really

00:43:17.180 compassionate and really logical and really clear thinking. Just think about the fact that they think

00:43:21.840 it's completely fine for a woman to decide to kill her child as he or she is being born. Just something

00:43:27.900 to consider. Okay. That's the update on late term abortion and just on abortion in general. I hope that

00:43:33.620 you go see unplanned. Um, it's a very compelling picture of the reality of the abortion industry and it's

00:43:40.780 extremely eyeopening and, um, it's good for all of us to see, even if it is painful to watch. Okay.

00:43:46.940 I'll be back here on Friday. I am talking to Phil Robertson of duck dynasty, really amazing conversation.

00:43:53.600 He's an awesome guy and you're going to learn a lot. I'm excited for you to hear it and I'll see you then.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - April 03, 2019

Ep 94 ｜ Dems Demand Abortion

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