Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 29, 2024


Ep 941 | Conceived in Rape, Chosen by God | Guest: Steventhen Holland


Episode Stats

Length

43 minutes

Words per Minute

190.35434

Word Count

8,332

Sentence Count

560

Misogynist Sentences

22

Hate Speech Sentences

10


Summary

Conceived in rape and given up for adoption at seven days old, Stephen Thin Holland has an incredible testimony that points to God s faithfulness and his redemption. He s going to tell us of his story of adoption, of finding out how he was conceived, and who his mother is. And oh my goodness, you are going to shed so many tears, happy tears, and sad tears. But most of all, you re going to be encouraged as you are reminded of how good and how powerful God is.


Transcript

00:00:01.000 Conceived in rape and given up for adoption at seven days old, Stephen Thin Holland has
00:00:06.600 an incredible testimony that points to God's faithfulness and his redemption.
00:00:12.580 He's going to tell us of his story of adoption, of finding out how he was conceived, how he
00:00:19.040 was born, who his mother is.
00:00:20.880 And oh my goodness, you are going to shed so many tears, happy tears and sad tears.
00:00:26.280 But most of all, you are going to be encouraged as you are reminded of how good and how powerful
00:00:34.160 God is.
00:00:35.240 I'm so excited for you to hear Stephen Thin's story.
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00:00:45.060 Stephen Thin, thanks so much for taking the time to join us.
00:00:57.680 I really appreciate it.
00:00:58.880 You're welcome.
00:00:59.600 Yeah.
00:00:59.880 So I first saw your testimony in a live action Instagram post, and I thought, wow, this person,
00:01:07.320 one, you're very compelling as you're sharing your testimony, but what an awesome story of
00:01:11.680 God's redemption.
00:01:12.240 So I just wanted to bring you here to get the extended version of your testimony.
00:01:17.300 So let's go back to the beginning.
00:01:20.460 Let's talk about it.
00:01:21.640 And most people don't go all the way back to their conception when they're talking about
00:01:25.120 their testimony, but you do.
00:01:26.900 Yeah.
00:01:27.680 Well, it started as an eight-year-old little boy, you know, at school, I had some friends
00:01:32.280 of mine make fun of me because of my skin color.
00:01:35.160 And what they said was, you're weird and different.
00:01:38.320 And I'm like, what do you mean?
00:01:39.460 And they said, well, you're the wrong color.
00:01:41.120 And I looked at my hand and I started thinking about my family and I'm like, hey, they're
00:01:45.760 white and I'm not, I'm brown.
00:01:48.080 So I had this moment like, you know, why would they say that?
00:01:51.960 It kind of hurt to be honest, but I come home and I'm sitting on the edge of the bed with
00:01:56.600 my mom.
00:01:57.080 So I've got some questions, right?
00:01:58.380 Like, I'm not the same as you.
00:02:00.540 So sitting on the edge of the bed with my mom that night as an eight-year-old little
00:02:05.040 boy, I found out that I was actually adopted, but at seven days old, they brought me into
00:02:10.940 their home as a foster child.
00:02:12.500 I was on the same bottle of formula I left the hospital with.
00:02:15.360 I was literally so weak that I couldn't suck a bottle.
00:02:18.220 So this family, again, I always say that love goes deeper than color, deeper than DNA, deeper
00:02:24.500 than blood, because I wasn't any of those things, you know, related to them, but they
00:02:29.740 loved me the same.
00:02:31.000 Just they saw me as their son and they took me in and this family literally squeezed milk
00:02:35.660 in my mouth to save my life.
00:02:37.360 Um, I was very, you know, malnutrition.
00:02:40.040 So my legs were drawn up into my body.
00:02:42.360 Um, they, they literally would, uh, take my legs and, and stretch them out and massage
00:02:48.060 my legs.
00:02:48.760 This family literally, literally saved my life.
00:02:50.840 And why were you malnourished?
00:02:52.580 Uh, because of, uh, well, we didn't know who my mom was at the time yet.
00:02:58.880 Um, there was some speculation that she might have some mental, uh, challenges.
00:03:03.560 So I was not fed.
00:03:05.000 Um, so I literally, again, seven days old, but I was on the bottle that I left the hospital
00:03:10.260 with.
00:03:10.700 So, um, you know, and I, and, um, so it, it's, it's crazy.
00:03:17.400 They, um, they, they teased that when I was little, that I was like a little bulldog because
00:03:22.320 my legs early on, because of that, um, malnourishment, um, my leg, you know, I had, I walked bow
00:03:28.560 legged, you know?
00:03:29.960 So I find that out at eight years old.
00:03:32.640 Right.
00:03:33.220 And that's all, you know, at that point.
00:03:34.800 That's all I know that your, your adoptive parents said, okay, yeah, this is why you
00:03:38.900 look a little different than us.
00:03:40.220 You're adopted.
00:03:41.020 Here's what it looked like when you first came to us.
00:03:43.680 But at that point, I'm guessing that's about all they told you.
00:03:46.520 Yes.
00:03:47.000 And, uh, what I, what I did get was I got eight pages of typewriter paperwork from 1982.
00:03:51.820 So I was born on March 31st, 1982.
00:03:54.300 At least that's the date they decided to go with.
00:03:56.620 Yeah.
00:03:56.760 There was even some speculation on that, you know, a few days, but I had, um, I say it's a gift
00:04:02.900 that I was receiving that I didn't know I was getting, uh, at the time it was just a
00:04:06.680 three ring binder with eight pages of typewriter paperwork.
00:04:09.320 Yeah.
00:04:09.840 And it had my birth mom's name, Glenda Sue Holt.
00:04:12.340 And then it had broken family history, uh, of her family that, that she had given human
00:04:18.180 services when she dropped me off at seven days old.
00:04:21.000 Okay.
00:04:21.720 So once the family officially adopted me, they, all those records came to them for me.
00:04:27.020 So I'm receiving that as well at eight years old.
00:04:30.380 So.
00:04:30.780 And do you remember your reaction or your emotional response when you were eight and you learned
00:04:35.140 that?
00:04:36.380 Yeah.
00:04:36.660 Yeah.
00:04:37.200 Um, that's the first time in my life I ever remember being broken.
00:04:43.340 Um, you know, to think about that's the first time in my life I ever remember asking God,
00:04:47.160 why, like, why do I have to be the wrong color?
00:04:50.200 That's what those kids said at school.
00:04:51.560 Right.
00:04:52.580 Um, why do I, why do I look different?
00:04:55.580 Um, you know, why did my mom not give birth to me?
00:05:00.000 And, but the biggest why question was why would my mother, my birth mom not want me, you know?
00:05:06.620 Um, that's a lot for an eight year old to think about.
00:05:09.760 Yeah.
00:05:10.280 And, uh, so honestly I was broken, you know, I cried a lot.
00:05:14.240 I, I was mad.
00:05:15.800 I was frustrated, but at the same time, you know, confused because I knew I was loved in
00:05:20.960 this family, you know, even though they're my adopted family, they love, they've loved
00:05:24.700 me so well, you know, it quickly, you know, the, the pain quickly turned into like, okay,
00:05:30.800 wait a minute.
00:05:31.220 They love me.
00:05:32.160 I'm in a safe place, you know?
00:05:34.180 And it comes back to, I tease when I speak, you know, nationally and publicly, I had a drug
00:05:40.180 problem growing up, you know, I was drugging and drug out of every church service known to
00:05:44.180 man.
00:05:44.520 I don't know who can relate to that out there, but every time the church doors are
00:05:48.200 open, I, you know, I was at church.
00:05:50.380 So my family, my mom's side of the family adopted side, uh, had a gospel quartet and
00:05:55.240 used to travel and sing.
00:05:57.020 And, uh, my grandmother, I call her Mimi.
00:05:59.780 She was my Sunday school teacher.
00:06:01.140 So I had literally had the word of, of God poured into my life and I knew of Jesus, but
00:06:08.120 in the middle of that little broken eight-year-old, uh, eight-year-old's heart, I actually came
00:06:13.240 to know Christ in the middle of that pain and that brokenness at a church service.
00:06:18.140 Wow.
00:06:18.740 Yeah.
00:06:19.020 Tell me a little bit more about that.
00:06:21.100 Uh, well, it was revival.
00:06:22.940 I don't know.
00:06:23.600 We, you know, we still have, we call them revivals in the South, but I grew up in the Tennessee,
00:06:28.840 Chattanooga area and, uh, we were having a revival, uh, a weekly revival.
00:06:33.500 And in the middle of that week, I just, again, sitting, sitting there with my family and hearing
00:06:38.820 the goodness of God.
00:06:39.860 And I've heard all my life.
00:06:41.800 I don't remember what the sermon was.
00:06:43.320 I don't remember really any of that other than I just needed Jesus.
00:06:47.440 And I'd heard my whole life that, you know, he's a comforter, he's a provider, he's a protector,
00:06:51.720 he's a savior.
00:06:52.720 And I needed, I needed somebody to take that pain, you know?
00:06:57.020 So I came running in the middle of the service.
00:06:59.400 I didn't wait for permission.
00:07:01.060 I just came running to Jesus.
00:07:03.220 Not even, we're barely five minutes in.
00:07:05.060 You're already making me cry.
00:07:06.320 Wow.
00:07:07.060 Yeah.
00:07:07.200 Wow.
00:07:08.160 So I, you know, I'm big on, I think pain has purpose.
00:07:13.020 Yeah.
00:07:13.460 If, if we can look hard enough, you know, that, um, that's the kind of God we serve, right?
00:07:18.600 Yeah.
00:07:18.820 Tell me, uh, when you learned the extent of, um, your kind of conception story and who
00:07:38.780 your biological mom was.
00:07:41.340 Right.
00:07:42.320 Well, I carried that why question for a long time, you know?
00:07:46.400 So like for middle school, high school, I, I tried to mask that in sports.
00:07:52.200 So I was earthquake in middle school, freight train in high school.
00:07:55.220 I was a fullback middle linebacker.
00:07:57.880 You know, I, I tried to, you know, to like, you know, that great, uh, quote that says,
00:08:03.700 you know, uh, Jesus plus nothing equals everything.
00:08:07.040 Yeah.
00:08:07.640 But I was trying to put something, you know, like sports or relationships.
00:08:12.640 Yeah.
00:08:12.900 Um, so I, uh, I actually get to college, uh, make it, make it, I made it to college and
00:08:19.100 I, uh, I played baseball in college, majored in youth ministry.
00:08:22.920 And, uh, I think my, my sole purpose in being in college was to find my wife.
00:08:27.360 She was a volleyball player from Tampa, Florida.
00:08:29.680 I married up.
00:08:30.480 She's five 11.
00:08:31.380 I'm five, none of your business.
00:08:33.440 But, uh, we, we start dating.
00:08:36.160 We start talking about what it would be like to have a family.
00:08:38.520 Like, do we want to have kids and how many do we want to have and how early do you want
00:08:42.200 to start?
00:08:42.880 So we get married in Tampa, Florida, her hometown in June of 2006.
00:08:49.000 And we start, you know, to have a family, we try to have a family early.
00:08:53.200 So I was a youth pastor at this little church.
00:08:55.440 My wife had gotten pregnant with our first and eight weeks into the pregnancy.
00:08:58.980 She wasn't feeling well.
00:09:00.380 I went to church on a Sunday and I came back to her, um, just in the fetal position in our
00:09:06.460 living room.
00:09:07.060 She had had miscarriage at home alone.
00:09:08.740 And, uh, here I find myself, my wife and I asking God the same question that little
00:09:13.480 eight year old boy was asking God, why this pain, we didn't sign up for this and we just
00:09:18.220 want to be parents, you know?
00:09:19.860 So we, we lose our, our eight week old, our first pregnancy.
00:09:23.860 Then we have, uh, Isabella, who's our 16 year old.
00:09:27.080 I have three daughters, by the way, uh, our oldest Isabella, she's 16.
00:09:30.460 And so we had her and then our third pregnancy, 10 weeks in, uh, my wife just wasn't feeling
00:09:36.540 well.
00:09:36.960 She knew that motherly instinct, something's not right.
00:09:39.540 So we went to the hospital or to the doctor and, uh, we had an ultrasound.
00:09:44.680 We see a baby, but no heartbeat.
00:09:47.020 So our third pregnancy, our 10 week old, we lost as well.
00:09:50.840 So now we've had two miscarriages.
00:09:52.300 Now I'm 41 years old, about to be 42.
00:09:56.560 Um, I still don't know medical history, but so at 27 at this time, or when we lost our
00:10:03.240 second baby or, or this, uh, miscarriage, um, I didn't know medical history.
00:10:11.220 And I, what the enemy started doing in me was it's your fault because if, if you knew your
00:10:18.760 past, right.
00:10:19.720 If you, uh, maybe there's generational curses or I was just thinking all these things,
00:10:24.700 right.
00:10:24.900 And if I just knew the medical history, I could save my babies.
00:10:28.300 So that's where my headspace was.
00:10:29.900 But I'm a middle school pastor, Wednesday nights, a hundred plus middle schoolers, you
00:10:33.920 know, and trying to, I talk to pastors all the time that it's okay to hurt.
00:10:38.520 Um, you know, I was young, you know, student pastor and I thought I had to have it all together.
00:10:42.900 So I didn't tell anybody.
00:10:43.980 So I'm depressed and I'm struggling.
00:10:45.720 And you felt like you couldn't be having a crisis of faith or you couldn't be questioning
00:10:51.480 these things or asking God these questions.
00:10:53.520 Cause then people wouldn't think that you're qualified to be a pastor.
00:10:56.900 So you bottled it up.
00:10:58.560 Absolutely.
00:10:59.200 And, uh, and that's where I was.
00:11:00.560 So in the middle of that, right.
00:11:02.820 I go back to that little eight year old boy, right in the middle of the pain, here comes
00:11:06.120 Jesus, you know, and I was sitting in a 975 square foot apartment in Tampa, Florida.
00:11:11.360 Uh, we'd had these two miscarriages.
00:11:13.500 We're actually pregnant with our four, the fourth pregnancy now, which is our 13 year
00:11:18.560 old daughter, Eliana today.
00:11:20.020 And then we had, I'll go ahead and say we have cadence, our 10 year old daughter.
00:11:24.020 But so this is 2009.
00:11:25.960 We've had those two miscarriages.
00:11:27.520 My wife's pregnant with Eliana, our second daughter.
00:11:30.960 And, uh, the Holy spirit just, just moved on my heart, uh, in a way that I've never had
00:11:36.600 happened since and what I heard was it's time and I'm like, Lord, it's time for what?
00:11:42.020 What's that mean?
00:11:42.600 I need more.
00:11:43.720 And I went into praying and fasting and he said, it's time to look for your mom.
00:11:48.380 So 27 years, right.
00:11:50.560 I mean, from eight years old to 27, you know how many times, like I thought about seeking
00:11:56.560 her out, you know, like where's she at?
00:11:59.220 Would she care?
00:12:00.120 Does she want me?
00:12:00.960 Would she like to know me?
00:12:02.540 And just the timing was never right.
00:12:04.560 Like I would get this close, you know, and I had, I had permission and, and, um, you
00:12:10.260 know, just support from my adopted family.
00:12:12.340 If I ever wanted to do that, which is a huge thing, you know, I wanted to honor them.
00:12:16.000 And so I called them and asked them, I said, is it okay to look?
00:12:19.440 And they gave me their blessing.
00:12:21.040 So I had that eight pages of typewriter paperwork from 1982 and I had Google.
00:12:26.520 So I started searching and three days into the search, uh, I was doing name searches.
00:12:31.840 I came across this man named Steve Holt, a website.
00:12:35.780 He's a magician and ventriloquist from Spartanburg, South Carolina.
00:12:39.520 And I know you don't know me out, but I don't like clowns.
00:12:42.920 I don't like Chucky.
00:12:44.500 It, I don't like any of that stuff.
00:12:46.000 So, I mean, this guy's like got videos of him, like sawing bodies in half and, you know,
00:12:50.780 head on this side.
00:12:51.960 Oh, heck no.
00:12:52.900 I'm like, not today, Satan.
00:12:54.260 You know, I'm not going on this man's website.
00:12:56.160 Yeah.
00:12:57.320 And really the puppets get me though.
00:12:59.220 Like those wood, you know, their eyeballs, they are, you know, I don't, so anyways, I
00:13:04.560 got past that because something said, click on his bio and I clicked on his bio and literally
00:13:10.620 I'm looking at my paperwork from 1982 and it all matches.
00:13:13.900 It all lines up in one specific name.
00:13:16.400 It says my baby sister on his online for him.
00:13:20.240 And it says Glenda Sue Holt.
00:13:22.180 And that's my birth mom's name.
00:13:23.480 So I'm like, okay, you know, it's gotta be family.
00:13:29.600 You know, this, this is my uncle.
00:13:31.760 So I sent him an email and it said, Hey, I think I'm your long lost nephew.
00:13:36.300 And that's why I gave him because, you know, he could be a serial killer or, you know, I
00:13:40.400 don't know.
00:13:40.620 Yeah.
00:13:40.940 You know, you didn't want to tell him.
00:13:42.440 No, I did not want to tell him anything, but he emails me back.
00:13:45.640 And then about two months later, I jump on a plane, fly to Spartanburg, South Carolina.
00:13:50.160 I get to meet my birth uncle.
00:13:51.680 What did he, what did he say?
00:13:53.880 And his response, do you remember?
00:13:56.500 Um, well, I know that his wife, my aunt Vicky said that he reads this email and literally
00:14:01.980 falls out of his chair, you know, and, and, but he, he writes me back and just says, you
00:14:06.840 know, I think, uh, I think this is legitimate.
00:14:09.780 You know, I think that you are my nephew.
00:14:11.820 Uh, I would love to meet you, you know, things like that.
00:14:14.460 It was actually a very good response, a positive.
00:14:17.820 So I felt, you know, uh, good about flying up and meeting him.
00:14:21.260 Um, so we spend two days, you know, I'm standing, I mean, we meet and I'm in his living room.
00:14:26.600 You talk about two grown men, just hugging and weeping.
00:14:30.120 And because what he told me was, is in their family dynamic, there were, uh, six children.
00:14:35.900 So he was one of six, their parents had died at an early age and his five, the five siblings
00:14:43.120 that he has, they were all mentally handicapped, uh, in different ways.
00:14:46.840 Like, um, so he has a brother, uh, that literally has been, it was institutionalized from 18 months
00:14:53.480 old, um, you know, to my mom being an 11, functioning as an 11 year old mentally.
00:15:02.180 So, and he was the only one out of the six that was considered normal.
00:15:06.860 Was he the oldest?
00:15:08.040 Um, I actually, I don't remember where he falls in the story.
00:15:11.720 I know my mom was the youngest, um, but he, but he basically, he cared for them because
00:15:18.540 mom and dad died.
00:15:20.000 They were all thrown into orphanages.
00:15:22.280 Um, and sadly, you know, I'm a big.
00:15:24.640 And this was what in the 60s, 70s?
00:15:28.400 Yeah.
00:15:29.060 Yeah.
00:15:29.380 Cause I was born in 82 and, and, uh, and she was actually 18.
00:15:33.380 Okay.
00:15:33.800 So 60s.
00:15:35.160 Yeah.
00:15:35.340 Yeah.
00:15:35.800 Late 60s, 70s.
00:15:37.520 So just, I'm a big advocate for foster care and adoption.
00:15:42.640 You know, uh, that's my story, but these children, because of nobody wanted them, you know, so
00:15:48.700 they were, they were in orphanages literally, you know, for most of their adolescent years
00:15:52.880 until they aged out of the system.
00:15:55.240 Um, my mom at 18, when she aged out, she became a ward of the state of Georgia.
00:16:00.620 So this near the Atlanta area.
00:16:02.500 Yeah.
00:16:02.880 Because she had special needs.
00:16:04.720 And so it's not like she could just go to college or get a job.
00:16:07.560 Exactly.
00:16:08.200 So no, no parents, you know, no family to care for, for her.
00:16:11.960 So the state took over and, uh, they placed her in a mental institution.
00:16:16.520 And, uh, one evening, um, it was, we don't believe it was workers.
00:16:21.140 She, they, they set her up with kind of a work program because she could function some,
00:16:25.900 you know, to work, like to safely walk a short distance, like potentially work, you know,
00:16:30.200 kind of like a little job that she could have some independence.
00:16:33.460 Uh, but one evening on her way home, she was actually raped by five men.
00:16:37.420 Wow.
00:16:38.080 So she was just attacked in a random attack.
00:16:40.320 She didn't, as far as you know, she didn't know these people.
00:16:42.520 No.
00:16:42.900 Um, so we don't know who we still, to this day, don't know who, who the men were.
00:16:47.820 Um, but so again, think about she's 18 physically, but mentally she's only a child.
00:16:53.440 Yeah.
00:16:54.220 So does she even know what happened to her?
00:16:57.240 You know, has anything ever, you know, has she been exposed to anything like that?
00:17:00.780 I don't, we didn't, we don't know.
00:17:02.540 And how did you, so I guess your uncle somehow learned of everything that happened.
00:17:08.800 That's how you know.
00:17:09.860 Well, they found out they, the, obviously she, she didn't tell anybody that it happened.
00:17:16.040 She probably couldn't really articulate that.
00:17:17.860 And so when they do find, they find out the staff, find out that she's pregnant because
00:17:22.860 she's showing, you know, uh, that's how long, you know, it took for people to find this
00:17:27.140 out.
00:17:27.640 So, I mean, the, you know, she tells the story.
00:17:30.440 So, I mean, it's her account, you know, of what happened to her.
00:17:33.520 Yeah.
00:17:33.980 Just as she was attacked by five men when she was walking home.
00:17:38.560 So, so this is a state ran facility.
00:17:42.340 Yeah.
00:17:42.720 Um, she has no resources, no job, no money.
00:17:46.100 Um, so what do you, what do you think that they're telling her to do?
00:17:49.920 You know, have an abortion.
00:17:51.160 I'm sure that they're trying to pressure her to do that.
00:17:53.420 They're not giving her options.
00:17:54.940 Right.
00:17:55.560 Yeah.
00:17:55.880 Uh, they're literally pressuring her every day to get rid of her baby.
00:17:59.660 And I mean, she's amazing.
00:18:04.460 You know, she said even with 11 year old mental capacity, 18 years old, she said, my baby's
00:18:09.400 worth fighting for.
00:18:10.420 Yeah.
00:18:10.740 So, so to fight for me and save my life, she actually ran away from the facility.
00:18:16.380 I don't, we don't know how she escaped.
00:18:18.600 Um, but, uh, the last time my uncle, uh, had, had, I guess, seen me, he didn't really see
00:18:25.760 me, but I was in the womb.
00:18:26.820 She actually came to him for help and, uh, he cared for, for she and I for about a week
00:18:32.580 until she disappeared for 10 years.
00:18:34.940 So he didn't know what happened from 1982 to 1992, he reconnected with her.
00:18:40.240 So he never knew what happened to the baby.
00:18:41.900 And here I am, 27 year old man standing in his living room.
00:18:45.520 So he did meet you when you were a baby.
00:18:48.500 So, I mean, in the, in the womb, in the womb.
00:18:50.620 Yeah.
00:18:50.780 Okay.
00:18:51.200 Yeah.
00:18:51.400 So not, you know, he didn't meet me, meet me, but I was in his presence.
00:18:54.740 Right.
00:18:55.600 Wow.
00:18:56.100 And so, I mean, I don't know how else to explain that beyond just the Holy Spirit convicted
00:19:02.260 her because that's what God can do.
00:19:03.980 He can communicate to and through anyone just convicted her to fight for you and to
00:19:09.600 fight for your life.
00:19:10.540 When really you would think with an 11 year old, you know, mental capacity that she would
00:19:16.180 have just complied with what the people told her to do, but she knew that I'm going to fight
00:19:21.900 for my baby.
00:19:22.480 And so she ran, she ran away.
00:19:24.120 Do you know like how she gave birth to you?
00:19:27.060 Did she run to a hospital?
00:19:28.620 Do you know how that worked?
00:19:29.840 Well, we know that she made it to a women's shelter in Chattanooga.
00:19:33.980 Tennessee, which from where things happened, it was about two hours.
00:19:37.820 Yeah.
00:19:38.000 So was she in Atlanta?
00:19:39.220 She was in the Atlanta area, like Rome, Georgia area.
00:19:44.440 So she made it to Chattanooga, was there for a little while.
00:19:48.400 They cared for her.
00:19:49.360 We just know from a paperwork trail.
00:19:51.560 But then by the end of the pregnancy, she's nine months pregnant and she's living on the
00:19:56.240 streets.
00:19:56.640 So she's actually in a cardboard box behind this little grocery store in this little small
00:20:02.040 town called Whitwell, Tennessee.
00:20:04.520 And it's if the people, if you're from there, they say, well, so it's a mining town like
00:20:09.380 Chattanooga is, you know, over here, there's a mountain, then Whitwell's in the valley.
00:20:13.600 So it's literally tucked in two mountains and she's living in this box behind the store
00:20:18.780 and a 16 year old boy named Bobby came around the skipping school, came around the back of
00:20:24.220 the store and sees the box move, pulls it back.
00:20:26.840 And here she is, 18 years old, nine months pregnant.
00:20:30.200 He takes her home to his family, like walks her home and walks in the door, you know,
00:20:35.500 16 years old, walks in the door with an 18 year old, nine month pregnant woman.
00:20:38.740 And it's like, hey, I found her in this box behind the store.
00:20:41.780 Can we keep her?
00:20:42.880 Right.
00:20:43.480 And that, you know, to me as a parent, you know, a parent, a 16 year old young man walks
00:20:47.880 in with an 18 year old, nine month pregnant woman.
00:20:49.840 It's like, I got some questions here.
00:20:51.220 Yeah.
00:20:51.780 Right.
00:20:52.080 But no, I just found her.
00:20:53.140 Can we keep her?
00:20:53.900 And they took us in, cared for us for like two weeks.
00:20:57.460 And then she gave birth to me in Chattanooga, Tennessee, at Erlinger Hospital, they said on
00:21:04.380 March 31st, 1982.
00:21:06.520 And so everybody always like, who, you know, how did you get the name Steven then?
00:21:11.620 Right.
00:21:12.500 Well, this mentally challenged 18 year old woman, 11 year old capacity said, I want my
00:21:16.880 son to be named Steven then William.
00:21:20.820 Oh.
00:21:21.880 So Steven was her brother, my uncle, who I'm standing in his living room.
00:21:25.720 Yeah.
00:21:26.180 And William was her dad, my grandfather.
00:21:28.900 So she wanted me to have both names.
00:21:30.900 So what we, what we think, you know, she probably didn't speak very well, articulate very well.
00:21:37.340 So they're asking her like, what, you know, you want to name him what?
00:21:40.680 Steven then William, Steven then William.
00:21:42.740 So whoever heard it put S-T-E-V-E-N-T-H-E-N.
00:21:47.400 Steven then is my first name.
00:21:48.960 Oh my goodness.
00:21:50.820 So as I think I'm the only one in the world that we know of right now.
00:21:54.860 So I'm finding all this out at 27 standing in his living room, but then.
00:22:12.200 That's a lot.
00:22:13.020 Yeah.
00:22:13.340 But it's not over yet.
00:22:14.440 Yeah.
00:22:14.680 I'm standing there and it kind of got awkward.
00:22:17.160 It got quiet.
00:22:17.820 He, um, I thought I said something wrong, you know, and he, he just says, you know,
00:22:23.000 I had to meet you and look you in the eyes and see what kind of man you were before I
00:22:27.120 told you this, but your mom is alive.
00:22:29.520 She's five hours South of where we stand.
00:22:32.260 Yeah.
00:22:32.700 And he asked me one question.
00:22:33.900 He said, do you want to meet her?
00:22:35.180 Yeah.
00:22:35.580 And what the Holy Spirit had spoke to me a couple months before I got to fly up there
00:22:40.400 was it's time.
00:22:41.700 So we jump in a car the next day.
00:22:43.540 I wanted to go that night, you know, let's, let's go.
00:22:46.060 So, um, but we drove five hours South to a little town called Jeffersonville, Georgia,
00:22:50.860 where my mom was staying in another mental institution, like a nursing home.
00:22:54.320 Okay.
00:22:55.020 Had men on one side, women on the other.
00:22:56.900 And my uncle was like, Hey, let's do a magic show.
00:23:00.100 I'm going to do a show for the residents because that way, because again, I mean, I'm 27, she's
00:23:04.940 46, but she's still only 11 mentally.
00:23:08.180 So you're about to meet, you know, we're about to drop a bomb in her life, you know, 27 year
00:23:13.420 old.
00:23:13.680 Hey, here I am.
00:23:14.600 Um, and that's like such a tough dynamic for you to be in some way older than your
00:23:19.440 mother.
00:23:19.840 Yeah.
00:23:20.380 You know?
00:23:21.160 Yeah.
00:23:21.920 Yeah.
00:23:23.020 Um, so I, I got to spend two hours just interacting with her.
00:23:27.460 Like she didn't know who I was, but I knew who she was.
00:23:29.740 What was it like when you saw her for the first time?
00:23:31.540 It was like trying to hold back a flood, you know, 27 years of tears.
00:23:35.500 Well, eight, you know, whatever the math is, um, you know, just trying to hold back just
00:23:41.440 thankfulness, um, because I, all I needed, I mean, my God's faithful.
00:23:46.060 He's good.
00:23:46.700 I know my identity and my worth is, I didn't have to meet her, you know, but for me to have
00:23:52.340 the opportunity to meet her, I just wanted to tell her I loved her and thank you for giving
00:23:56.780 me life.
00:23:57.200 And if I, if that's all I got, I was okay with that.
00:24:00.280 Yeah.
00:24:01.340 So, you know, it was, I was dying to just tell her, you know, but we were trying to ease
00:24:06.000 it in.
00:24:06.440 Like I'm your, I'm your brother's friend, Steven, you know, we didn't, we didn't, um,
00:24:11.500 you know, give the full name cause she named me that we didn't want to give it away.
00:24:14.100 So anyways, he does this magic show and I mean, you know, these people are like schizophrenics
00:24:18.940 and, you know, bipolar and he's saw it putting ropes through people's bodies.
00:24:24.040 And it was really, I'm just, I've got to set the scene because, you know, it was very
00:24:28.500 comical.
00:24:31.540 It's not the scene that maybe like, uh, Hollywood would have painted for this like grand reunion.
00:24:38.960 There's like this crazy magic show and these residents who have got a lot going on themselves.
00:24:45.280 And in the midst of all of that, you're seeing your mother for the first time.
00:24:48.620 And so we were going to go to her room and do this private encounter, um, because we didn't
00:24:53.640 know how she would take it, but she'd been singing songs all day and I'm a singer, worship
00:24:58.940 leader, um, singer songwriter.
00:25:01.600 And, um, they, he gets through the magic show.
00:25:05.040 I'm working a camera, like we hadn't planned to film it, but we were just kind of filming
00:25:09.320 his magic show just to kind of capture the moments.
00:25:11.860 And she gets through singing and I just felt led to come sing amazing grace.
00:25:16.280 And I come up and the camera's still rolling and my uncle standing in between us and I start
00:25:21.260 singing amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved.
00:25:24.200 And when I hit that word saved, it was like, not just a salvation, you know, moment, but
00:25:30.340 a, this woman I'm looking at in the eyes saved my life and I lost it.
00:25:35.220 And she hasn't sang on pitch or key all day long.
00:25:38.680 And she looks at me and she just finishes the whole verse like perfectly.
00:25:42.660 And, uh, just, and, and this is a, you know, this is on YouTube.
00:25:46.400 We have a video that people can, uh, we decided to make it public, uh, a few years ago just
00:25:51.660 for, you know, it's just too good for God's faithfulness, his goodness, you know, not to
00:25:56.200 hold on to.
00:25:57.820 So I'm getting to meet, uh, you know, he, he, in that moment after we did that, he was
00:26:02.440 like, we weren't going to do it this way, but basically here's your son, you know, and
00:26:07.600 she just embraced me and said that she loved me and she would have never given me up if
00:26:11.960 she could have kept me.
00:26:12.880 And those are all those questions I had.
00:26:15.120 I didn't, I didn't have to have them, but God gave me a lot of closure that I didn't
00:26:19.780 even know I needed.
00:26:20.840 Yeah.
00:26:21.240 You know?
00:26:21.620 So she had the ability to have a conversation with you about it.
00:26:24.820 She did.
00:26:26.060 And, um, you know, I am worth it and she did love me, you know?
00:26:31.700 And again, I knew that, but that was closure.
00:26:35.200 I didn't even realize that I needed it.
00:26:36.540 When she said that it was healing for me.
00:26:39.360 Um, and then I'd also made her a photo album that was really special to me.
00:26:43.800 It was the first picture they ever had of me and to, you know, and I filled it up with
00:26:47.440 pictures over the years because she held onto a picture for like 18 years.
00:26:51.600 That wasn't her, wasn't me that she thought was her baby.
00:26:54.860 So I was able to bless her with this photo album.
00:26:58.120 And, um, so we had 11 years with mama Glenda.
00:27:02.720 Uh, my girls call her Gigi, grandma Glenda.
00:27:05.660 So you talk about like the age difference.
00:27:07.840 My girls would bring coloring books and, um, baby dolls and play with my mom.
00:27:14.720 Yeah.
00:27:15.300 You know, they were like sisters when they get together, you know, like coloring or playing.
00:27:18.920 Um, but even though that was beautiful, it was also painful because, uh, she's a word
00:27:26.100 of the state.
00:27:26.640 They would move her from, you know, whatever the cheapest place was kind of under, you
00:27:31.240 know, sadly they're understaffed, over medicated.
00:27:33.540 And, um, but she, even with all that, and even though it was hard on my girls, we took
00:27:38.540 them at least once a year, sometimes twice.
00:27:40.800 It was hard on them to be in those places, but my mom deserved respect.
00:27:45.320 She deserved to be loved on.
00:27:47.600 And, um.
00:27:47.900 So that was what?
00:27:48.880 2009, 2010?
00:27:50.340 It was 2009 when we met.
00:27:52.860 Okay.
00:27:53.160 Um, so then she, uh, she actually passed away on Thanksgiving of 2020.
00:27:59.280 She choked on a sandwich, uh, in the facility that she was in.
00:28:03.080 What?
00:28:03.720 So, yeah, she was in a wheelchair and, you know, they, it's something that obviously they,
00:28:08.920 you know, uh, it was very, just a tragic, tragic accident.
00:28:12.900 But, um, you know, here I am asking God why again, right?
00:28:17.140 Um, but, um, you know, this beauty that comes out of pain.
00:28:22.480 And by that time I had been sharing our story quite a bit and probably 200,000 people or
00:28:28.720 so I've shared, you know, just doing a lot of pregnancy center fundraisers and, and, uh,
00:28:33.360 right to life events, pro-life events.
00:28:35.860 And when it hit social media, you know, shared about her, her death, I started getting floods
00:28:41.940 of messages.
00:28:42.480 Hey, she's not just your hero.
00:28:43.880 Cause I, she, I call her my hero.
00:28:45.600 She's mine too.
00:28:46.920 And, um, so I have this beautiful, um, mandate calling.
00:28:52.480 To carry on her legacy.
00:28:54.560 Cause she is a hero, right?
00:28:56.400 She fought for me and, uh, I'm thankful for that.
00:28:59.520 And, and what do you think when you hear these conversations and debates that go on in the
00:29:17.720 political realm, on social media, uh, when you hear, well, the compact, like you're basically
00:29:23.840 what they say is the, uh, exception.
00:29:26.780 Even if someone is pro-life, they'll say, well, but if they heard of the case of your mom,
00:29:31.780 they would say the empathetic thing to do, the compassionate thing to do would be absolutely
00:29:35.820 to make sure that she gets an abortion.
00:29:37.600 They would say, sure, maybe I'm pro-life, but rape, incest, if the mother, you know, has
00:29:45.220 special needs, then we should kill that child.
00:29:48.800 That's kind of the narrative that you hear sometimes on the left and the right.
00:29:52.580 I imagine just being who you are and having your testimony.
00:29:56.240 It's hard to hear those conversations in that tone.
00:30:00.400 Yeah.
00:30:01.780 It's hard to not take it personal.
00:30:03.860 Yeah.
00:30:04.260 You know, we, I can sit here and say, well, you know, I don't take it.
00:30:06.800 Well, it, it, it kind of is, you know, um, I'm a, um, I'm a lover of people.
00:30:13.500 I'm, I'm, if that makes sense, uh, what I'm trying to say there, I, I try, um, I'm going
00:30:19.400 to respect your position and where you stand, but that still doesn't mean that I can't have
00:30:23.500 a voice.
00:30:24.680 Um, and I, I think that for me, uh, the way I fight that is I share my story, right?
00:30:30.220 Like I, I'm here.
00:30:31.680 Um, I believe I have purpose.
00:30:33.140 I have worth that wasn't dictated by how I was conceived.
00:30:38.060 Right.
00:30:38.580 And, and the, uh, and I think we say, you know, in the exception world, it's, it's, you know,
00:30:43.600 the sins of the father shouldn't be passed on to the, onto the child, you know?
00:30:48.140 Um, and, and I, I used to, I used to say, um, man, I wish to be a child.
00:30:53.540 That would have never happened to my mom.
00:30:55.080 You know, like if I could trade places with her, I mean, you know, I don't, I don't want
00:30:58.620 her to have to go through that.
00:30:59.760 I mean, that was horrible and terrible, but then there's this other side I had to think
00:31:03.920 about, like, but God had this, you know, God worked in the middle of all that pain and
00:31:08.920 all that brokenness to bring me.
00:31:12.000 And I have three beautiful daughters, you know, that are 16, 13, and 10.
00:31:15.920 They love Jesus and they lead worship and they write songs.
00:31:19.480 Um, yeah, what Satan means for evil, God uses for good.
00:31:27.280 And I just, I love that verse so much.
00:31:29.220 I mean, when you think about the story that that verse is in that Joseph think about, it's
00:31:35.220 hard to think about things more tragic than one, what your mom went through, but also the
00:31:39.940 story of Joseph.
00:31:40.760 I mean, imagine being sold into slavery by your own brothers.
00:31:46.120 You're the youngest of the family and your brothers take you, they throw you into a pit.
00:31:50.860 So you get sold into slavery.
00:31:52.720 Like what is more evil and more wicked than that?
00:31:57.160 He's sold into slavery.
00:31:58.640 And then God uses that evil, that wickedness to save his own people from famine.
00:32:05.200 Wow.
00:32:06.140 And I just think of, I think of that when I think of your story, that what was so evil,
00:32:11.340 a woman being raped, a special needs woman being raped, that God used that evil to then
00:32:19.080 multiply his kingdom so that you can sit here, share your testimony, testify to the power
00:32:24.860 and the love and the grace and the redemption of the Lord and your daughters get to do the
00:32:28.680 same thing.
00:32:29.480 Wow.
00:32:29.720 God is so good.
00:32:30.520 Well, and I, and I look at, I mean, there's been moments where I've been able to share
00:32:34.280 at a fundraising event and I had a table, a small group of women at their church that
00:32:38.980 was struggling with that, you know, the exception, you know, rape and incest.
00:32:42.920 And like, they kind of came with, Hey, we're here.
00:32:46.460 We lean towards the other, you know, the other side of an agreement with rape and, you know,
00:32:51.980 making the exception.
00:32:52.780 And then after, you know, I got to share my story where we're, you know, they're surrounding
00:32:56.960 me, we're all crying.
00:32:58.180 And it's like, you, you've changed our hearts, you know, you changed our minds.
00:33:02.420 Like we, we can't sit here.
00:33:03.860 You don't hear your story and not be moved.
00:33:05.700 And we have to rethink the position.
00:33:08.000 And I, God's given me, that's just one, but so many conversations.
00:33:14.140 Um, and for me, uh, it's just being faithful to share the story, um, and let God handle the
00:33:21.160 rest.
00:33:21.420 But I had a 12 year old Hispanic young girl that had actually been raped by her uncle
00:33:26.940 and had actually heard me share my story at a, I was, I was there to lead worship at
00:33:31.460 a camp and I wasn't even supposed to share my story, but God opened the door for me to
00:33:36.020 share.
00:33:36.600 And she actually went against the wishes of her parents to choose life.
00:33:41.260 So she got removed from the home.
00:33:43.960 She gave birth to her baby.
00:33:45.440 I was leading worship at a church and this family came in place, that baby in my arms.
00:33:50.440 Wow.
00:33:51.580 Talk about losing it.
00:33:52.980 Yeah.
00:33:53.600 And then this young woman got adopted by another family, another church family, the little girl.
00:33:58.440 So I got to meet her at 13 and she's crying and she says, how do I know that my son going
00:34:04.020 to know that I love him because I gave him away.
00:34:06.440 And I'm, I'm trying to get the words out.
00:34:08.460 I'm crying.
00:34:08.800 I said, you're one of the strongest women on the planet, you know, to give birth to your
00:34:14.020 child.
00:34:15.400 Give your child a loving home, right?
00:34:17.780 You loved him so much that you, you wanted to place him in a place that he could be loved
00:34:21.660 well and provided for, you know, he knows.
00:34:24.680 And one day I hope maybe that he'll have the chance like I did, you know, to look my mom
00:34:29.820 in the eyes, hug her and tell her, I love her.
00:34:31.760 Thank you for giving me life.
00:34:33.540 I just, again, those are just those little moments where I call, you know, nuggets, God
00:34:39.260 winks.
00:34:39.780 It's like, Hey, you know, this is part of your purpose.
00:34:43.240 I truly believe that's part of my purpose is to continue to share my story.
00:34:48.620 And I know that this is, it's painful, but because all of us have this, I think just
00:34:54.920 natural drive to know whose we are, where we come from, even just physically, obviously
00:34:59.940 we know that we're gods.
00:35:01.080 But have you ever wondered like who your, who your father is and what happened to those
00:35:08.160 men who assaulted your mom?
00:35:10.180 Yeah.
00:35:11.220 I've, um, I've had moments where I've thought, thought about that.
00:35:15.800 Um, even recently I've had people ask me, you know, do you not want justice for your
00:35:19.940 mom?
00:35:20.280 They've come out and asked that.
00:35:21.780 And it's not that I don't want justice for my mom, but I don't, I go by the direction
00:35:26.940 of the Lord, you know, and I haven't felt in my heart that he's, you know, called me to
00:35:31.560 seek that out to try to find.
00:35:32.960 Um, I'm not saying that it won't happen one day, but right now I feel like he's redeemed
00:35:39.040 and restored all the evil by what, you know, with my mom's life and what I'm able to do
00:35:45.440 and carry on her legacy by sharing our story.
00:35:48.480 Um, I've even had somebody, I mean, we're, we're being honest here.
00:35:52.520 I've had somebody ask me like, you know, what if he's not a believer, you know, this person
00:35:58.120 and if you could find them, right.
00:36:00.100 So I'm wrestling with that.
00:36:01.300 I'm wrestling with that right now, you know, on, um, cause I hadn't thought, I hadn't thought
00:36:06.500 about it in that way before, you know, I, I'd put my focus more on my mom and our story
00:36:12.580 and, and, uh, and honoring her.
00:36:15.000 Um, I don't hate my, I don't hate my dad, uh, my father, my birth father.
00:36:21.040 I don't hate those men.
00:36:23.160 Um, I had to let go of that a long time ago.
00:36:25.660 You know, I think that those bitterness and, you know, hold root and, and, um, can keep
00:36:30.980 us, you know, um, held in chains, I guess is the best way.
00:36:34.600 I don't want that.
00:36:35.280 I don't think that's what God wants.
00:36:37.360 Um, but, but two, I think one of the biggest reasons that I've never really, I've thought
00:36:43.140 about it, but it hasn't been a deep longing pursuit to find my father's because I had one
00:36:47.600 of the best fathers, uh, earthly fathers that I could have had.
00:36:50.560 Um, my dad, I've got a picture in my book on page 36 that I, that's a treasure to me.
00:36:56.880 He was a coal miner.
00:36:57.920 I thought he was black most of my life, but he was not, he was white because he would come
00:37:01.800 in covered in coal and he would clean himself and he would sleep shirtless.
00:37:05.980 And from the first day they brought me home, he would hold me on his chest and sleep with
00:37:10.420 me, uh, heart to heart.
00:37:12.000 And I have that.
00:37:12.920 It's a treasure because, uh, he, he died of Alzheimer's.
00:37:16.340 He passed away on August 19th of 2014 and I got to hold him on his way out.
00:37:22.700 Like he held me on my way in and I wouldn't trade it for the world.
00:37:26.660 So, uh, I mean, he was a hard nose country man.
00:37:31.660 You know, when they tried to remove me, actually at six months old, the state of Tennessee tried
00:37:36.120 to remove me from the home because of my, my skin color.
00:37:39.040 Um, so being a biracial child in the South, they felt like I would be better placed in a
00:37:44.440 biracial home, mixed race home or an African American home.
00:37:48.180 And my dad put a shotgun by the back door or the front door and said, you can come in,
00:37:52.460 but you're not taking my son.
00:37:53.780 I'm not saying that's the best way to handle it legally.
00:37:55.940 That's just what happened.
00:37:56.900 But.
00:37:57.660 Tennessee coal miner.
00:37:58.520 He's my dad.
00:37:59.080 Yeah.
00:37:59.880 And, uh, he loved me and fought for me.
00:38:02.240 And, and did you have adopted siblings?
00:38:04.240 Like.
00:38:04.620 I did.
00:38:04.980 I did.
00:38:05.220 I'm adopted, but adoptive siblings, I guess.
00:38:08.220 So what's, it's beautiful.
00:38:09.780 I've been an uncle since I was two.
00:38:11.540 Wow.
00:38:11.900 So I have four, uh, I have four siblings adopted, my adopted siblings.
00:38:17.000 I have, which is, this is hilarious to me.
00:38:19.240 I have Ricky, Rod, Renee and Robin, and then there's Steven then.
00:38:24.060 Yeah.
00:38:24.340 And you would have thought, you know, eight years of like, why is my name different?
00:38:28.640 Like, I just never, they just love me, you know?
00:38:31.820 Um, and I've always been a part of the family and, um, I teared up.
00:38:35.920 Yes.
00:38:36.180 Actually flying here, uh, to do the show, like talking to my mom and my sister on a call,
00:38:41.120 just thanking them for just loving me, you know, and I wouldn't be here if it wasn't
00:38:45.800 for them, you know?
00:38:47.320 Uh, so yeah, Ricky, Rod, Renee and Robin.
00:38:49.280 And I, it's a 13 year age gap.
00:38:53.040 Yeah.
00:38:53.780 Well, there's so much in your story that flies against, uh, flies in the face of common narratives
00:38:59.200 of today that, uh, you know, a Southern Tennessee white coal mining family took in a little biracial
00:39:09.200 boy and you having to deal with everything that came with being biracial in the South
00:39:16.080 and this time and being bullied because of that.
00:39:19.260 Gosh, there's just a lot of complexity and a lot of layers to your story.
00:39:22.980 Well, I think a really beautiful thing too, for me is I still to this day.
00:39:26.820 So when the state tried to remove me from the home, um, not only did my family fight
00:39:31.260 for me, but I have, uh, a folder, a Manila, uh, envelope that has about 200 and over 250
00:39:39.280 petition letters that this community, um, which racism still existed, you know, and is 82, um,
00:39:47.040 was prevalent there.
00:39:48.600 And they still rallied behind this family to keep this biracial child in the home.
00:39:54.000 Like if it wouldn't have been for them, you know, their voice and them writing letters
00:39:57.180 into the state.
00:39:57.880 And it even went over beyond state lines, actually some of the letters, but, uh, that
00:40:02.740 just, I think that's, again, like when I get an opportunity to share it, fundraising events
00:40:06.880 and things like that, I share that because this community decided, you know, Sarah and Burke
00:40:11.820 says the only thing necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
00:40:15.400 Yeah.
00:40:16.100 And, um, so let's do something, right?
00:40:18.000 Yeah.
00:40:18.300 And the love of Christ transcends, transcends skin color, transcends norms.
00:40:24.000 And it also just goes to show that history in the world isn't as figuratively and literally
00:40:30.800 black and white as we kind of make it out to be that, okay, everyone in the South that
00:40:36.380 was white was racist or whatever it is in either direction.
00:40:41.280 And like human beings, history, the history of a country, the history of us as people,
00:40:48.020 the history of the church, it's complicated.
00:40:50.100 There are a lot of layers and the through line is God's faithfulness.
00:40:53.580 And I think that your story is such a great example of that.
00:40:57.160 Is there any just kind of like final message that you would speak to someone who is either
00:41:15.140 in your situation or who has an unexpected pregnancy or just wants to know the gospel?
00:41:20.900 What would you say?
00:41:21.520 Well, I think, you know, for us, um, universal message is that you're not alone, right?
00:41:29.700 Um, you know, whether you're someone who's struggling to know your purpose and, you know,
00:41:34.000 whether there's a God or does he love me?
00:41:35.860 Does he care about me?
00:41:37.100 You're, you're never alone.
00:41:38.200 I love, uh, second Corinthians four, eight and nine.
00:41:40.980 It talks about how, you know, we're hard pressed, we're crushed and all those things.
00:41:44.260 But my favorite one is, you know, you're, you're never abandoned.
00:41:47.580 You're never alone.
00:41:48.400 You may, you know, you're, uh, in struck down, but not destroyed.
00:41:51.600 Not yet.
00:41:52.520 Um, I'll say broken, not dead.
00:41:54.420 That's a, that's how I live.
00:41:55.640 But I think, um, that you're never, you're not alone.
00:41:58.960 So if you're, if you're someone who's, um, you know, an unexpected pregnancy and looking
00:42:03.400 for help, there's beautiful organizations that I've been blessed.
00:42:06.280 I've been in 39 States now, you know, and I know that, um, you know, every single one of
00:42:10.960 those places I've been in is nonjudgmental.
00:42:13.380 You know, they love you, support you.
00:42:15.760 They have resources, you know?
00:42:17.460 So just to know that there is help and there is support, um, to look for your local pregnancy
00:42:22.660 resource center, I think would be a great place, but also to the church, you know, like
00:42:26.120 for the gospel, like when my mom died, I was struggling with why did she have to die alone?
00:42:32.100 Um, and God quickly reminded me, you know, after a week or so of, uh, grieving and crying and
00:42:39.000 asking God why, uh, she was never alone.
00:42:42.840 You know?
00:42:43.420 So we, I think that's, I think for me, that's, I think a lot of people, if we can just realize
00:42:48.660 that God does have a plan for your life, he's created you for a purpose, you know, on purpose
00:42:53.300 with purpose and, uh, and he's there, you know, and he truly loves you.
00:42:57.880 And there's people like me that, uh, you know, if I can help in any way, I mean, there's a
00:43:02.740 lot of us out there in, in the faith-based world.
00:43:05.880 And where can people find you if they want to connect with you?
00:43:08.920 The beautiful thing is, I'll bet I'm the only Stevenson in the world.
00:43:12.000 So, uh, I don't have to worry about SEO or too much, uh, but steventon.com.
00:43:18.500 Uh, so Steve, Stevenson Holland is my last name.
00:43:21.300 So if you Google me, um, you know, videos and, and I'm, again, I'm a singer songwriter.
00:43:26.160 So I've got about 22 songs I've recorded.
00:43:28.120 I'm recording in Nashville in February.
00:43:29.960 Good.
00:43:30.560 Um, and then, uh, my nonprofit broken, not dead ministries.
00:43:35.040 Yeah.
00:43:35.400 So broken, not dead.com is also a good place to track me down.
00:43:39.320 Well, Stevenson, thank you so much for taking the time to share.
00:43:42.000 Testimony and may God bless you and your sweet girls and your family.
00:43:45.600 Thank you.
00:43:45.980 Thank you.