Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 942 ｜ Is Taylor Swift a Psyop？

00:00:00.000 Is Taylor Swift a PSYOP? Is the Super Bowl rigged? We are going through all of these theories about

00:00:08.880 Taylor Swift and her relationship with Travis Kelsey today, and it might seem trivial,

00:00:14.280 but as we will thoroughly explain, it actually all matters. It tells us a lot about the cultural,

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00:03:16.720 check that all out there. All right. We're talking about Taylor Swift. Because of course, have you

00:03:22.540 guys heard of Taylor Swift? Do you know who she is? She's a pop singer. She's a pop singer from 0.99

00:03:26.980 Pennsylvania. Now you might have thought that maybe she's from Nashville. And that's because she 1.00

00:03:31.300 taught this when she first started. But she's not from Nashville. She's actually from Pennsylvania.

00:03:38.040 And as you well know, she has amassed tens of millions of adoring fans over the years.

00:03:46.080 I am, I think, two years younger than Taylor Swift. And so those of us who were born,

00:03:51.960 yeah, no, three, because she was born in 1989, right? Like that's the name of one of her albums.

00:03:56.420 I was born in 92. So she's three years older than me. But anyone born in that range, like we can name

00:04:02.340 what era of our life or like what was happening in our life when certain Taylor Swift albums came out,

00:04:09.120 like the Fearless album for those of us born in that time. That's like when we got our driver's

00:04:15.100 license. And so that is a very, that's a very nostalgic album for me. And even as someone,

00:04:21.940 I don't consider myself a Swifty, as it were, but I can name you most of her albums and probably no,

00:04:30.900 I wouldn't say most of her songs, but a lot of her songs. And I would say that's true of a lot

00:04:36.060 of millennial women. It's just been the backdrop of several significant moments of our lives. And I

00:04:43.700 think I've said this before, but I gave the commencement speech for my college graduation

00:04:47.480 and of course had to quote her, had to quote her. Now looking back, I'm like, oh, the cheese factor

00:04:53.660 was 1000. It was just off the charts when I was doing this, but at the time it got good laughs

00:04:59.100 because 22 came out around that time. So happy, free, confused, and lonely at the same time. And

00:05:05.740 of course I had to use that in my graduation speech, as I'm sure many, many other graduation speakers did

00:05:11.280 in 2014. So I am not, I'm not a Taylor, I'm not a Taylor Swift stan necessarily, but I am not,

00:05:21.700 I'm also not a Taylor Swift hater. And there is a battle right now going on between the Swifties

00:05:28.560 and the anti-Swifties, if you will. And it has to do with these theories about her popularity

00:05:37.520 and also about like why she is so prominently in the news right now and why her relationship 0.91

00:05:44.880 with Kansas City Chiefs player Travis Kelsey is taking over so many headlines. So as I will detail,

00:05:53.740 let me just give you like a TLDR. One side, it seems to be mostly like the conservative side,

00:06:00.680 basically saying that it's a psyop, that it's manufactured, that her relationship with Travis

00:06:06.860 Kelsey like isn't organic. It's not natural. It was all planned for them to start dating and then 1.00

00:06:14.780 for the Chiefs to win the Super Bowl, for her to have even more prominence and popularity than she

00:06:20.980 did before, and then to encourage everyone to vote for Biden this November. So it's all this big

00:06:27.560 fed psyop with Taylor Swift at the center of it. And then of course, you've got some other

00:06:36.400 analysis out there. You've got some people saying, no, this is such a positive development. One,

00:06:41.980 because they're just happy to see Taylor Swift happy. But other people saying that this is a

00:06:46.520 really important cultural moment for the young girls who follow Taylor Swift, seeing her get into

00:06:51.560 a stable relationship, possibly get engaged, get married and have kids. And she would be a shining

00:06:58.100 example of stability and what the goal should be, they would say, for young women. So we've got this

00:07:05.860 battle of ideas going on out there. In addition to some people just saying Taylor Swift is stupid 1.00

00:07:11.900 and boring. And then the other people saying, no, she is literally an angel sent from heaven. So 1.00

00:07:17.920 we've got a lot. We've got a lot going on here. But I want to go through the theories. And then I

00:07:22.700 want to tell you as someone who is neither a stan nor a hater, what I make of her popularity and just

00:07:29.080 kind of why she's in the center of the news and what I think about it right now. Because you've also

00:07:34.080 probably heard, just to add another perspective that goes around a lot, especially on Christian

00:07:38.740 social media, is that she's a witch and that she, Brie, our resident Swifty is laughing behind the

00:07:45.200 camera. But people say she's a witch and they're always looking for like satanic symbolism and stuff

00:07:50.600 and the things that she says and does. And I'll address that in a second. So, okay, let's go through

00:07:57.560 this idea that Taylor Swift is a psyop.

00:08:13.980 Okay, Taylor Swift, Taylor Swift. So, in case you didn't know, another reason that we're talking

00:08:22.520 about this is because the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday won the NFL AFC West Championships.

00:08:29.940 Okay, and I don't even know what all of that means. But I did know this because my husband is a football

00:08:35.920 fan and he was watching football on Sunday. So, I did know that they won their game. So, this qualifies

00:08:44.720 them to compete against the San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl in two weeks. My notes say,

00:08:51.860 Brie, parentheses, football experts can provide more context if needed. Are you, are you, I knew

00:08:58.860 that you're a Taylor Swift expert. I didn't know you're a football expert.

00:09:01.120 I'm a football. I know everything about football.

00:09:03.220 Okay, tell us. Is there more context that's needed here?

00:09:06.260 No.

00:09:06.880 Okay.

00:09:07.560 No, not really. That's pretty, that pretty much covers it.

00:09:10.340 Okay. Good to know. All right. So, a very popular account that I really love following also

00:09:17.880 always has really interesting information. So, but this is an example of someone saying that this

00:09:22.200 is a psyop. The account End Wokeness says, what's happening with Taylor Swift is not organic and

00:09:27.960 natural. It's an op. We all feel it. We all know it. And then you've got the picture of this,

00:09:33.260 like, wall of magazines with Taylor Swift as the cover on all of them. Is this real?

00:09:41.640 It was Taylor Swift really on the cover of all of these magazines at once. Do you know, Brie?

00:09:49.800 I don't know for certain, but it would make sense because that was, I'm trying to see when this

00:09:54.840 might've been. Yeah. This is like while her tour is going on. So yeah, it would make sense.

00:10:01.980 I guess. Although you can't see the names of any of the magazines except for Time Magazine.

00:10:07.340 This looks like actually it's in Barnes and Noble, which means they probably specifically

00:10:10.720 made this as like a Taylor Swift. Okay. Got it. Wow. That's crazy. Okay. And so then they have a

00:10:17.140 picture of Travis Kelsey and Taylor Swift hugging after the game on Sunday. I saw that thought it was

00:10:22.760 pretty cute. And then you've got Taylor Swift in the stands and the boxes. She's watching Travis 1.00

00:10:27.680 Kelsey. That wasn't on Sunday because her hair is different, but it was part of a different game. 0.97

00:10:31.920 So we have talked about this before, how they started dating. They apparently started dating

00:10:37.260 sometime over the summer. He got what a friendship bracelet, which is like a Taylor Swift thing

00:10:43.460 and talked about her on a podcast, right? Yeah. And they started dating what the summer or this fall?

00:10:50.180 I think it was a little earlier than everyone thought. So early summer, maybe I think.

00:10:54.440 Okay. And this is such a big deal. It's, it's not just another celebrity having a relationship,

00:10:59.400 which happens all the time, but she has been as prominent in public as she is. She's been pretty private

00:11:04.600 about her relationships, right? Like most people don't put it together if I'm correct until after

00:11:10.780 the fact. And they're like piecing songs together to try to figure out like what happened in her

00:11:16.260 relationships. And she was dating a guy named Joe for a long time. Yeah. For six years. And it was

00:11:21.220 like the whole relationship was completely private. Six years. How does she have time to write? How does

00:11:27.620 she have time for all these other relationships that she writes about? Like Jake Gyllenhaal and Harry Styles

00:11:32.680 and all these things. That was all before. That was all before the six years. Really? So for the past

00:11:36.780 six years, all of her songs, her relationship songs have been about Joe? No, but I mean, she,

00:11:41.420 I won't go too deep into the lore, but she, she had an album called Lover, which was very like,

00:11:47.180 it was a lot of love songs because she was in love at the time. And her albums after that have mostly

00:11:52.840 been like imaginative albums where she's writing like not from her own perspective, but from. Okay.

00:11:58.540 Okay. But all too well, people did say that that was about Jake Gyllenhaal. That was about Jake

00:12:03.560 Gyllenhaal. And that was before, obviously. That's a good song. It's a great song. I mean,

00:12:07.740 it's, it's, there's a 10 minute version now. I shouldn't even say that because I'm not encouraging

00:12:11.880 you to go out and listen to it because it is a little explicit. Yeah. The, the 10 minute version

00:12:17.440 is. Yeah. The 10 minute version is. Yeah. Okay. So I'm not endorsing it. It's a bad song. I should have

00:12:22.800 said that it's bad song. Don't listen to it. Okay. So some online commentators are calling

00:12:29.000 Taylor Swift skyrocketing popularity and relationship with Superbowl bound Travis Kelsey,

00:12:32.900 not just coincidental, but all part of a government psy op psychological operation to manipulate the

00:12:38.640 outcome of the 2024 presidential election. In a January 9th segment, Fox news host, Jesse

00:12:43.080 Waters described a 2019 Pentagon meeting where officials mentioned the idea of using a person

00:12:46.800 like Taylor Swift as a psyop to combat misinformation. Okay. Here's Jesse Waters saying that.

00:12:52.800 You came in here wanting to understand how you just go out there and counter in that information

00:12:56.720 operation. Well, the idea is that social influence can help, uh, can help, uh, encourage or, uh,

00:13:04.120 promote behavior change. So potentially as like a peaceful information operation, I include Taylor

00:13:08.920 Swift in here because she's, um, you know, she's a fairly influential online person. I don't know 0.99

00:13:14.180 if you've heard of her. Okay. So that wasn't Jesse Waters. That was on the Jesse Waters show. That was

00:13:18.800 someone from NATO talking about using Taylor Swift as a way to, as a, basically a messenger for the

00:13:26.140 information that they want to put out there, which is, which, you know, is weird, is troubling. Like

00:13:32.100 I don't really love hearing government organizations talking about battling so-called misinformation. I

00:13:38.960 don't think that they're reliable arbiters of truth at all. And typically what they just mean is people

00:13:43.020 who disagree with us. And so using Taylor Swift or any prominent voice as a vehicle for their message,

00:13:50.360 I do think is troubling. Does that necessarily mean that Taylor Swift is involved with the federal

00:13:55.900 government? Not so sure about that. The Pentagon was quick to push back against the claim, this

00:14:02.160 accusation that people were making, this is reported by Politico at the beginning of January. They responded

00:14:08.200 saying that this is not true. And they were, uh, tried to be super cute about it. Pentagon

00:14:15.980 spokesperson, Sabrina Singh, uh, pushed back against Waters' claim, referencing one of Swift's big hits

00:14:21.940 by saying in a statement, as for this conspiracy theory, we're going to shake it off. Oh, I'm cringing,

00:14:28.580 but that does highlight that we still need Congress to approve our supplemental budget request as

00:14:34.000 swiftly as possible so we can be out of the woods with potential fiscal concerns. I wish she would

00:14:41.620 grant the administration a supplemental budget request. Okay. See, that makes me think that

00:14:45.900 she's definitely an op. Just that statement in and of itself. Like I'm starting to think that she might

00:14:52.320 be a battery powered robot. From that, from that statement, that gives me the heebie-jeebies more than

00:15:00.060 anything else. I wish you would not talk Pentagon. I wish you would have not done that. Um, okay.

00:15:09.680 Jack Posobiec said, thinking about when Taylor Swift called out the Soros family in 2019 for buying the

00:15:14.160 rights to her music and then how she became, how she came out, uh, super liberal in 2020. Uh, then 0.99

00:15:24.040 Vivek, uh, Ramaswamy, he responded to Jack Posobiec saying, I wonder who's going to win the

00:15:29.940 Superbowl next month. And I wonder if there's a major presidential endorsement coming from an

00:15:34.400 artificially cultural, culturally propped up couple this fall, just some wild speculation over here.

00:15:40.180 Let's see how it ages over the next eight months. So of course that is the, uh, that's the theory

00:15:46.620 that's going on here. So in reference to what Jack Posobiec is talking about, her calling out the

00:15:53.260 Soros family. Um, here she is in 2019 doing that. I had the chance to purchase my music outright. 0.81

00:16:01.160 My entire catalog was sold to scooter bronze Ithaca holdings in a deal that I'm told was funded

00:16:06.840 by the Soros family, 23 capital and the Carlisle group.

00:16:11.860 Okay. So she called them out and then some people are saying, I guess Jack Posobiec is trying to say

00:16:17.460 that after that she came out as a liberal, I'm reading in between the lines here. I'm not saying

00:16:21.780 Jack Posobiec is saying this, but it seems my interpretation is that some are saying that

00:16:28.420 she was basically like punished for calling out the Soros family and that to make up for calling

00:16:38.000 them out. She is now like a liberal activist. Do you think that's what the theory is trying to posit?

00:16:43.760 I think some people have that theory. I think others just don't really understand the context,

00:16:49.600 to be honest, because I think they think, oh, the Soros family helped buy her masters and therefore

00:16:55.620 now she's like in bed with them. And the reality is she has nothing to do with them because they were

00:17:00.960 sold out from under her. So I think some people are miss conflating those. Yeah. I don't know

00:17:08.420 that Jack Posobiec is because he is saying that Taylor Swift called out the Soros family. So he

00:17:14.240 understands that it's negative. I honestly, I'm not sure what he's trying to imply. Some people might be

00:17:19.120 trying to imply that she's trying to like compensate for calling them out or that someone from the

00:17:24.740 Soros family said, hey, you can't call us out. And so now you need to be a liberal activist.

00:17:28.840 Who knows what what went on behind the scenes? Jack Lombardi, I'm not sure he's someone on Twitter.

00:17:37.080 He said, I have never been more convinced that the Super Bowl is rigged with all the unneeded and

00:17:41.300 unwanted Taylor coverage at the games. Casey's journey to the Super Bowl totally scripted.

00:17:45.800 Next, Travis and Taylor together at the Super Bowl appearing happy and in love in case he wins

00:17:50.280 and then later announcing their support for Biden coincidental. No, bought and paid for a couple.

00:17:55.640 S-M-H. 0.93

00:17:59.020 OK, so it is true. It is true that Taylor Swift became more vocal about her politics, about her liberal

00:18:09.000 politics in 2020. I don't know what motivated this, except that there was kind of a meme that was

00:18:15.980 going around that was really popular, basically saying Taylor Swift's silence on this is just

00:18:20.620 unbelievable. Some people saying that tongue in cheek, like, duh, we don't need Taylor Swift to talk

00:18:25.540 about this. And so they were just kind of joking about it. But then others really saying, you know,

00:18:30.100 why isn't she speaking out more about LGBTQ rights and about the right to choose, blah, blah, blah. 0.88

00:18:38.300 And so people were really pressuring her to stand up against Trump and make sure that everyone knew

00:18:45.360 that she was liberal because she had so much influence, has so much influence on the younger

00:18:50.420 generation, such a big platform. And they didn't like that she wasn't talking about politics.

00:18:57.080 So in 2020, she had a documentary that came out called Miss Americana. I remember watching it at

00:19:03.860 the time. And there is a scene where she is talking to her dad about Republican Senator Marsha

00:19:11.900 Blackburn, who was running for the position at the time. And she was telling her dad why she needed to

00:19:20.780 speak out against Marsha Blackburn and why this was such a big deal to her. So here's

00:19:26.980 It really is a big deal. She votes against fair pay for women. She votes against the reauthorization 0.99

00:19:35.980 of the Violence Against Women Act, which is just basically protecting us from domestic abuse and

00:19:40.660 stalking, stalking. She votes. She thinks that if you're a gay couple, or even if you look like a gay 0.99

00:19:46.400 couple, you should be allowed to be kicked out of a restaurant. It's really basic human rights. And 0.99

00:19:51.600 it's right and wrong at this point. And I can't see another commercial and see her disguising these

00:19:59.660 policies behind the words Tennessee Christian values. Those aren't Tennessee Christian values.

00:20:05.240 I live in Tennessee. I am Christian. That's not what we stand for. 1.00

00:20:08.600 Oh, my goodness. Oh, do you really think Marsha Blackburn thinks that a couple that looks gay 1.00

00:20:19.460 should be kicked out of a restaurant? Okay, this is something about her. And I know I'm not trying 0.74

00:20:25.240 to come across as rude. I apologize, Brie. But okay, so in she's 31 years old. In this documentary,

00:20:33.140 she comes across, I'm sorry, she comes across as so incredibly young and juvenile. Okay, it's one

00:20:43.200 thing to be passionate. I'm all for it, even if you disagree with me. And I think that her position

00:20:48.120 is absolutely uninformed there. It just shows that she only can imbibe superficial, propagandistic 1.00

00:20:54.760 talking points about the issues, that she has no idea what's on the line. She's very politically,

00:21:00.120 culturally, and I would say morally and theologically ignorant. That entire clip just encapsulated so 0.99

00:21:05.760 much ignorance. But also, it reminded me of a teenager trying to convince her dad that she can

00:21:15.500 stay out past 11. I'm sorry. She comes across to me, and it's not just in this clip, as extremely

00:21:22.720 immature, like extremely young and emotionally stunted. And that clip talking about why she 1.00

00:21:29.860 couldn't vote for Marsha Blackburn and why she needed to speak out against Trump, that just wasn't

00:21:37.560 thoughtful, first of all. And she just didn't seem like she was able to... I hate to say this,

00:21:44.060 because I know it can sound patronizing, but just calm down and just articulate your position.

00:21:49.740 It was just very, I don't know, is very cringe to me. I'm sorry, Brie. It just wasn't. I know you

00:21:56.300 don't agree with her. You don't have to apologize to me, because I agree. I think she is a little bit

00:22:01.460 stunted in multiple ways because of what her life is and the phases of life that she kind of skipped

00:22:09.140 in being famous at a young age. And so I think... And there is actually another part of that documentary

00:22:15.220 where she is talking about how she's 31 there. She's talking about how she can't imagine having

00:22:22.100 kids right now. Like, I can't even imagine that. My friends are all having kids. I can't imagine that.

00:22:26.340 And I remember watching that. I'm a little bit younger than her. And I was like, that's such a

00:22:30.760 weird thing to say at age 31. Yeah. I know some people at 31 feel that way. But for her to say it like,

00:22:37.060 that's the weirdest thing to be 31 and having kids. I was like, I don't know. Something is a little

00:22:43.920 bit immature there then, right? Yeah. I definitely think so. And I mean, I think that's representative

00:22:48.600 of a lot of people in our generation who also feel that way. I just don't think that that is

00:22:55.580 the best example for people to follow. Okay. So here is my issue with this idea that in 2019,

00:23:15.380 she said that thing about Soros. And then in 2020, she all of a sudden became liberal. So even though

00:23:22.140 the Miss Americana documentary came out in 2020, the stuff that she was saying in that clip that

00:23:26.920 we showed you, it's actually from 2018. So she did start speaking out about politics a little bit

00:23:35.280 and Marsha Blackburn in 2018. She actually posted on Instagram, part of what you just heard her say

00:23:41.720 in 2018. She said, in the past, I've been reluctant to publicly voice my political opinions, but due to

00:23:46.520 several events in my life and in the world in the past two years, I feel very differently about that.

00:23:51.620 Now, I always have and always will cast my vote based on which candidate will protect

00:23:55.980 and fight for the human rights. I believe we all deserve in this country. I believe in the fight

00:24:00.140 for LGBTQ rights and that any form of discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender is wrong.

00:24:07.240 And she goes on and on and on about that. And so she is, she advocated for the pro-abortion,

00:24:15.880 anti-parental rights in some ways, a Democrat party or Democratic candidate in Tennessee rather than

00:24:24.440 Marsha Blackburn. And she wanted everyone to know that. But that was back in 2018. So the timeline

00:24:29.800 that some people are saying that she didn't become liberal until 2020 or outspoken about that, that's

00:24:35.020 not, that's not exactly true. And then we have in 2020, if you fast forward a little bit, where she

00:24:44.180 does explicitly endorse Joe Biden. She gave her reasoning for her endorsement to V Magazine.

00:24:52.500 She says this, the change we need most is to elect a president who recognizes that people of color deserve

00:24:59.100 to feel safe and represented. What does that mean? What does that mean? And what has Biden done for

00:25:04.940 that? And like, what policies are you talking about? What are you talking about specifically?

00:25:10.360 Like, let's get down to the details, lady, that women deserve the right to choose what happens to 1.00

00:25:15.520 their bodies. Abortion is not your body. And that the LGBTQIA plus community deserves to be 1.00

00:25:22.980 acknowledged and included. Oh, trust me, they are acknowledged. And they're not just included.

00:25:28.060 Their sexual preferences and gender confusion is absolutely celebrated. Like, it is central to 0.88

00:25:34.860 American society now. Everyone deserves a government that takes global health risks seriously and puts

00:25:41.560 the lives of its people first. Do you think the Biden administration, who refuses to guard the

00:25:46.860 border, puts the lives of its citizens first? Of course it doesn't. It actually very much resents

00:25:51.900 the lives of Americans. The only way we can begin to make things better is to choose

00:25:57.760 leaders who are willing to face these issues and find ways to work through them. I will proudly vote

00:26:02.880 for Joe Biden and Kamala Harris in this year's presidential election. Under their leadership,

00:26:07.040 I believe America has a chance to start the healing process it so desperately needs. Of course,

00:26:11.820 this is not true. This is not true at all. They have only caused division. They have only caused

00:26:16.940 resentment. They have only ratcheted up the heat in the country. I mean, do you remember that speech that

00:26:25.240 Biden gave in front of a wall that was bathed in blood red light in which he talks about going after

00:26:34.520 MAGA Republicans? I mean, this is an administration that has targeted with law enforcement pro-lifers

00:26:41.800 and has put political prisoners in jail even for peaceful involvement in the events of January 6th.

00:26:49.240 I mean, this is an administration who has taken away school lunches from poor students because the school

00:26:57.680 that they attend will not allow boys into girls' restrooms. That's not an exaggeration. That's not

00:27:04.060 a fabrication. We have talked about that, detailed that new rule instilled by the Biden administration

00:27:12.340 on this show. We can link the episode to that, and you can learn more about it.

00:27:18.660 And so that's what the Biden administration is. They are rabidly pro-abortion. They are rabidly pro-

00:27:26.780 chemical castration of children. They are anti-fairness in women's sports. They are anti-women's privacy. 1.00

00:27:33.960 They are anti-women's safety. This woman who just went on this emotional tirade about the importance 1.00

00:27:43.660 of protecting women and how Marsha Blackburn apparently is against protecting women, which is 0.98

00:27:49.200 not true. She doesn't care at all about men in women's spaces, men going into women's bathrooms, 1.00

00:27:57.340 men going into women's locker rooms, men being placed in women's prisons, men being put in women's 0.60

00:28:04.900 domestic abuse shelters, and the women who have been raped and beaten and victimized, murdered even

00:28:10.420 because of these policies, and which perverse men who have a fetish that has to do with them dressing

00:28:17.360 up as women are placed in these private and vulnerable spaces with women. Taylor Swift, who apparently

00:28:23.240 cares so much about being stalked and victimized herself, she doesn't care about those women. 0.92

00:28:29.080 No, she's going to vote for the administration and the party that advocates for those policies, 1.00

00:28:34.920 that pushes those policies, all in the name of being inclusive. Here's a picture of Taylor Swift

00:28:42.580 showing Biden cookies that she probably did not make herself, but she decided to show them on

00:28:52.040 Instagram. Yeah, very cute. And by the way, Marsha Blackburn won her election, even with Taylor Swift

00:28:59.420 weighing in on that. But she might have more influence now, perhaps, than she did in 2018.

00:29:08.480 As she posted in September 2023, she said, are you registered to vote yet? I've been so lucky to see

00:29:15.040 so many of you guys at my U.S. shows recently. I've heard you raise your voices and I know how powerful

00:29:20.420 powerful they are. Make sure you're ready to use them in our elections this year. And then vote.org said

00:29:27.800 that they saw a 1,200% increase in traffic to their site in the course of an hour. So I don't know,

00:29:37.140 maybe she will actually have some influence on this election in the coming year. I'm not sure about

00:29:43.640 that. Do we have the thought of her at her concert and her little monologue about Pride Month? Yeah.

00:29:52.860 Okay, let's play that.

00:29:54.960 And I wish that every place was safe and beautiful for people in the LGBTQ community.

00:30:01.200 I would really wish that. Because, you know, we can't talk about Pride Month without talking

00:30:09.500 about pain. There, there, right now, and recently, and in the recent years, there have been so

00:30:17.600 many harmful pieces of legislation that have put people in the LGBTQ and queer community at risk.

00:30:24.140 It's painful for everyone, every ally, every loved one, every person in these communities. And

00:30:34.600 that's why I'm always posting. This is when the midterms are. This is when these, these important

00:30:40.420 key primaries are.

00:30:42.740 Okay. What recently, in recent years, and recently, and also in recent years, there has been much

00:30:56.600 danger and many trouble for LGBTQ people. Literally, we have drag queens going into public schools and 1.00

00:31:05.880 reading books to kindergartners. That is something that's happening. And we're going to pretend like

00:31:10.780 they are being persecuted. Because people are saying, Oh, yeah, I don't think that like the

00:31:15.300 grown man and fake boobs and fishnets should be funded by our tax dollars when they are going into 1.00

00:31:22.720 public libraries and reading books about gender confusion and sexual orientation to kids. Oh, 0.93

00:31:29.900 yeah, you know, I don't think that these books about pedophilia and sexual predation should be in

00:31:38.040 public school libraries. That's is that danger? Is that the danger that you're talking about? Like

00:31:44.040 when people have the audacity to say, I don't think I want my third grader to be reading about

00:31:49.740 gender switching, and maybe being born in the wrong body? Like, is that the persecution? Is that the

00:31:56.700 danger? Is that the harm that you're talking about? Is the beautiful world that you're talking about

00:32:01.080 creating a world in which like drag queens are reading sexually explicit content in like a public 1.00

00:32:08.640 libraries? Like, what are what exactly are you talking about? She doesn't know. She has no idea.

00:32:14.900 She doesn't know. She has no idea. And again, this comes across as someone who has like a grasp on the

00:32:23.400 issues equal to that of like, I don't know, a 14 year old. Really? I mean, her ability to 0.99

00:32:30.500 a talented person. Okay, I know that there's people out there who are like, she's not talented

00:32:35.420 at all. I don't get it. Blah, blah, blah. I think that's a boring take. Because obviously,

00:32:39.500 she's amassed 10s of millions of adoring fans. You don't do that if you're not talented. She's 0.96

00:32:45.220 talented. Okay. She's talented. She's talented songwriter, pop writer. She never claimed to be 0.98

00:32:52.020 like an actual poet, but she's writing pop songs. She's really good at that. I totally see her appeal. 0.64

00:32:57.160 I really do. I'm not one of those just like straight up haters. But at the same time, I just

00:33:04.560 and don't think that she is the sharpest tool in the shed. And therefore, I don't think that she's

00:33:10.360 someone that anyone should be going to for any kind of significant commentary. Not when it comes

00:33:16.300 to relationships. Not when it comes to morality. Not when it comes to politics or culture. Certainly

00:33:23.620 not theology. Anything like that. She just comes across as extremely and disturbingly to me,

00:33:30.740 young. Like she has stayed the age that she was when she sang teardrops on my guitar. And that's not

00:33:39.520 good. But you know, Bri, this kind of makes sense because you have talked about Travis Kelsey not

00:33:49.500 being the sharpest tool in the shed. And you always make me laugh whenever you're talking

00:33:54.040 about that. What did he say the other night in his like victory speech? Yeah, when they won the

00:33:59.860 championship, he came up and they're like asking them, you know, for initial reactions. And he just

00:34:05.280 screamed, you got to fight for your right to party. And you hated that. I hated it. I hated that so much.

00:34:12.580 Yeah. And you said you don't think that there's like a whole lot going on there beyond.

00:34:16.960 I think it's just football in his brain. And that's the only thing he's capable of.

00:34:23.680 Yeah. And I think a lot of people see Taylor Swift as like this brilliant and strategic businesswoman,

00:34:29.840 which I think that she probably is a strategic businesswoman. Again, you don't get to where you 0.67

00:34:33.920 are without, you know, some form of intelligence. Definitely. I don't I don't think I'm not saying

00:34:43.960 I think she's stupid. I don't think that I think that she has an uncanny ability to write really 0.99

00:34:48.280 clever songs. You have to have a lot of intelligence to do that. She's obviously been able to maneuver 1.00

00:34:52.800 this industry to the point of success. So I'm not saying that. But I actually don't really think

00:34:58.260 they're intellectually mismatched. I don't know. Bri, do you disagree with me?

00:35:02.980 That is that's a hot take. That's a take. Because I don't think they're intellectually

00:35:06.980 mismatched. I don't. The memes when this relationship started were that like she's had

00:35:11.860 intelligent, artistic reader boyfriends in the past. Yeah, that's been the problem.

00:35:16.260 And now she's just, you know, she's gotten to a point where she's dating someone like him.

00:35:21.840 And I think she I mean, I disagree. I think she's intelligent in a way.

00:35:30.360 Well, that's what I said. I think so, too. Yeah, she's intelligent. I don't think she's stupid. 0.99

00:35:35.040 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes. I think there's a certain ignorance probably that most celebrities are 1.00

00:35:40.320 blinded by. But yeah, no, I don't think they're intellectually matched. I really don't. I have

00:35:47.180 no idea what they could possibly talk about at night. I don't. Yeah. But I think the displays of

00:35:54.140 intellect that she gave us in those past two clips, which, okay, I understand not everyone

00:35:59.960 has their best moments. But like, if you can't talk about it, don't talk about it. I just was

00:36:06.520 stunned at her inability to be able to express a coherent thought. Even if you don't know that

00:36:12.700 much about politics, I expect you to be able to say something a little bit more informed or a little

00:36:19.500 bit more compelling. But that was Kamala Harris. That was no better than Kamala Harris. So my hot

00:36:25.200 take is that Travis Kelsey, he's got his expertise. You know, he is he you have to have some form of

00:36:31.240 intellect to be good at football and to understand football and to be really skilled at it. You

00:36:35.460 obviously have to have a form of intellect to be able to be as successful as Taylor Swift is.

00:36:40.400 So they've both got their arenas. But when it comes down to talking about serious stuff,

00:36:44.420 I personally think that they're on the same level. That's my that's my hot take. That's my

00:36:49.060 hot take about that. That's probably fair. I probably agree with that. Actually, seeing those

00:36:55.260 clips because she did have time. Like both of those cases, she had time to think about what she was

00:37:00.640 going to say beforehand. And it does seem like she didn't. So probably could have even somehow set up 0.73

00:37:06.980 like a teleprompter. She could have someone else write it for if she wanted to. And yeah, I just think

00:37:14.080 that. But but you know, a lot of progressives, especially progressive women are extremely and

00:37:20.160 I'm not saying emotions are always bad or it's always wrong to be emotional, but are extremely

00:37:24.780 emotionally driven, extremely emotionally driven. They suffer, as I said on Twitter, and I'm writing my

00:37:32.720 book about they suffer from pathological empathy, where they just feel so much and only feel that they

00:37:40.880 are just completely ignorant of what's true. And they don't really want to know what's true. And

00:37:46.820 you could say you could argue whether it's actually empathy or whether it's narcissism, savior, complex

00:37:51.500 ego, things like that. I don't know exactly what it is. It's probably a mixture of the two.

00:37:58.080 But there is a complete unwillingness to think through the complexities of an issue like abortion,

00:38:08.260 like immigration, like justice and race and all of these things, because there's no incentive to do

00:38:14.140 that, by the way. There's no incentive to do that. Like she knows that she can say all of these things

00:38:18.820 and that she's still going to get people who are conservative to listen to her. She knows that.

00:38:25.120 And that's probably true. Conservatives, we are way more willing to just appreciate the talents of a

00:38:31.320 person, even if we disagree with them, whereas liberals are really not. And we kind of have no choice.

00:38:37.260 Like, it's just what it is. But yeah, so I don't know if you have anything to add there,

00:38:45.320 Brie. Tell me, well, OK, sorry. Sorry to interrupt. I want to hear that. But then also adding on to

00:38:51.300 that, tell us again your prediction of what's going to happen with Travis and Taylor this year.

00:38:56.600 Well, I think they're going to get engaged. I don't think it's going to everyone's like at the Super

00:39:01.060 Bowl. And I'm like, no, I don't think she wants that. I think I think it will be a little bit more

00:39:07.060 private than that. But I do think they're going to get engaged. And to be honest, I think she's

00:39:11.860 going to settle down a little bit, at least a little bit after her tour is over at the end of 0.92

00:39:16.360 this year. So. But you did say that you don't think that they're going to get married.

00:39:21.380 I know I did say that. Maybe. I don't know. I may have changed my tune a little now that I've seen

00:39:29.360 clips of them actually together seeming to like each other.

00:39:33.760 Yeah. So. So you think it's real. What do you think about these? What do you think about the

00:39:38.740 PSYOP theory?

00:39:40.200 I think it's a lot of people who don't know everything. And I'm certainly not saying I know

00:39:48.440 everything, but I think there are a lot of missing pieces that they're not seeing. I think there's a

00:39:54.260 lot of conservative panic that sometimes happens with celebrities that are this big. And I don't

00:40:00.760 agree with it. I think she's just a celebrity and I think she just has huge influence. It's not really

00:40:06.340 news to me that someone this big would have influence over an election. I don't know why

00:40:11.080 that's making headlines, really, because of course, of course, she's going to influence her younger.

00:40:16.400 She's liberal. Yeah, of course, she's liberal. Of course, she believes those things. And

00:40:20.180 in comparison to other celebrities, she actually doesn't talk about it as much as

00:40:24.380 a lot of them do. She's just bigger. So when she does, it's amplified more. So I don't know.

00:40:31.180 I don't. So what do you think is behind all of this hate? Like,

00:40:34.260 why do you think people are assuming it's a psyop and like, it's this contrived thing?

00:40:40.000 I think because there's so much fascination with her, like she's always on. Well, she's not always

00:40:47.240 on screen in football games. She is. People are pressed about that. It's a small fraction of

00:40:51.780 the time she's on screen, but she is on screen when the Chiefs are playing. And I think that core

00:40:56.780 audience, the NFL core audience hates that because she's not their core audience. And that has, 1.00

00:41:02.960 I think that has amplified things a lot. And now people are like, she's everywhere. We can't get

00:41:07.360 rid of her. She's at football games. She's at concerts. She's on magazine covers because she's 0.99

00:41:12.080 kind of at the height of her career right now. And you see clips of her everywhere when she's on tour

00:41:16.860 and now she's at football games. And I get it. She is everywhere. And you can feel like you can't

00:41:22.120 get rid of her. But I'm going to make people mad and I'm going to make the other side mad now.

00:41:27.480 People who are mad that she's being shown at a football game because it apparently trivializes

00:41:36.540 football. Football is trivial. Football is trivial. Okay. Like I'm not saying that it's not a great

00:41:46.060 thing to care about. That's great. I understand the importance of sports, but it's a football game.

00:41:54.280 It's a football game. At the end of the day, it is a game where a bunch of guys are passing a ball

00:42:02.000 down a field. Okay. That's what it is. It's impossible to trivialize it more than what it is.

00:42:09.440 And so I don't understand the big stink about Taylor Swift being shown on camera. On the other hand,

00:42:17.780 I also don't understand why she is so offended by people caring about that. At the award show

00:42:25.680 the other night, Joe Coy, I think that's his name. He's the comedian. He made a very, I thought,

00:42:32.620 lighthearted joke about Taylor Swift being shown on the camera at Chiefs games. And the camera

00:42:39.640 pan to her and she was just sitting there, stone-faced. I cannot believe this is what I'm

00:42:46.520 imagining she's saying. I cannot believe he would make a joke about me being shown on camera. It would

00:42:52.320 have been great for her to just be like, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's so funny. Everyone knows she doesn't 0.99

00:42:56.040 have control over it. Why didn't she laugh? I know it was a joke at the expense of the NFL,

00:43:01.640 not at her, which I was also really confused by that. Why be offended by that? It's possible also

00:43:07.920 that they cut away before she could react. And that was just her like hearing it. I don't know.

00:43:14.820 I don't know. But true. That's true. That was my initial reaction too. I was like, why are you?

00:43:19.420 Yeah, maybe. Yeah, maybe. Who knows? Maybe it was like a timing thing and she actually did laugh at

00:43:24.960 it and now it's gone viral on social media and she just doesn't feel like defending herself,

00:43:29.360 which is fine. There is a clip though from the last game and we don't know what she was saying,

00:43:35.200 but it looks like she's looking up at herself being shown for a long period of time. And at the

00:43:40.920 very end, she goes, go away, please. That's what you think she's saying based on lip reading. And

00:43:47.560 I mean, I would feel the same way, honestly. Stop showing me then if you're all complaining about it.

00:43:53.440 Yeah. But I think the NFL probably likes the chatter. Oh yeah. Whether it's people are arguing,

00:43:59.960 happy, mad about it. They like the chatter about it because it does make people like you and me

00:44:06.420 talk about it. Whereas typically we wouldn't be talking about football right now. So that's fair.

00:44:12.420 I just don't really care. I, well, we just spent an hour talking about it, but I just mean like,

00:44:18.740 it doesn't make me feel super happy. It doesn't make me feel super angry. Maybe I would care more

00:44:25.880 if I were a football fan. But okay, I've got some more. I'll give you to finish this. I didn't think

00:44:32.740 we were going to spend the whole episode on it, but here we are. I'll finish it with my thoughts

00:44:37.460 about her influence. Could she actually impact the election? Should she be someone that people 0.85

00:44:42.780 look up to in any regard or not? Okay. Um, here's, here's my thought. Uh, Taylor Swift

00:45:02.120 is extremely influential, but I don't think she is going to convince anyone or at least very many

00:45:11.000 people to vote Democrat, uh, who weren't going to already. I mean, maybe like maybe Mary Margaret,

00:45:21.780 the uninformed 22 year old UGA grad from Alpharetta in her first year in her big girl marketing job,

00:45:26.500 whose parents voted Republican, but who's now feeling like a little rebellious and is thinking

00:45:30.980 of voting for Joe Biden. Maybe, maybe her, like maybe she'll be convinced by Taylor Swift,

00:45:36.020 but also like give her five years. Mary Margaret will be married and her husband will,

00:45:40.500 set her straight. Um, now will Taylor Swift cause a baby boom? That's what some people are saying 0.96

00:45:46.160 that they are going to like, she's going to encourage women into this stable, like domesticated 1.00

00:45:53.220 life of having kids. Maybe, maybe that would be a positive development. Um, or maybe she will 0.96

00:46:00.680 convince women that having a long series of seemingly toxic, unhealthy long-term relationships until you

00:46:06.420 find the rich man of your dreams when you're 34 and everything just falls together is normal and

00:46:13.060 good, but it's not, that's not a goal to aspire to not for anyone, but especially, especially not

00:46:19.880 for the Christian. Now I'm not talking about the getting married in your thirties part. I'm not saying

00:46:26.320 that is, uh, in itself negative. Most women I know who are single in their thirties or unmarried in

00:46:33.420 their thirties have wanted to be married for a long time. I'm talking about the apparently poor

00:46:39.340 judgment in men, the relationships that are so high emotion that are turbulent, that are sexual,

00:46:45.040 that always end in so much heartbreak. That is not the thing to aspire to. And it's not just Taylor

00:46:51.460 Swift. It's Taylor Swift, Olivia Rodrigo, Selena Gomez, Billie Eilish. I mean, so many other artists

00:46:57.220 that romanticize like the codependent, deeply involved dating relationships that end up going

00:47:03.540 up in flames. And that not only should not be romanticized, it shouldn't be normalized. That's

00:47:09.660 not normal. It's common. It's not normal. It's the same effect that like Nicholas Sparks movies and

00:47:15.140 Colleen Hoover books have. They normalize and then glamorize instability. And then they mistake

00:47:21.340 lust for love that has really big, bad consequences. And what I want you to know, whether you're a

00:47:28.420 Taylor Swift stan or a hater, wherever you are, is that you're better than that. Like you're better

00:47:35.120 than the example that someone like Taylor Swift sets for you. God wants better for you. Whether you get

00:47:41.000 married in your twenties, thirties, forties, not at all. God wants peace for you. He wants joy for you.

00:47:46.740 He wants healthy relationships for you. He wants sexual purity for you. Married, unmarried,

00:47:52.620 mother or not, you can have a life that is peaceful, that is emotionally stable. You can have

00:47:58.580 self-control. You can honor your body and your integrity. I know the dating scene from what I hear

00:48:04.980 is rough out there. I understand. But it has always been difficult and countercultural to be a Christian.

00:48:12.500 The gate is narrow, but it is better. It is worth it. Taylor Swift, at least from what she has shown

00:48:20.100 us, has largely not been very happy much of her adult life. She seems to not really know still who

00:48:28.000 she is, who her real friends are, what her beliefs are. So don't fall for the lie that this kind of

00:48:33.900 juvenile confusion is normal and good as a 33-year-old. It is not. It's not normal and good.

00:48:41.180 For some reason, Taylor Swift's version of, at least what I see in a lot of her songs,

00:48:46.920 narcissism, pettiness, immaturity, feminism, promiscuity, awkward sexuality, is categorized,

00:48:52.520 is cute and harmless and even inspiring for Christian women. It's not. Now, I will also say, 1.00

00:49:01.220 hopefully as a voice of reason here, I also don't think that she's as harmful as others think that

00:49:08.360 she is. Like, I don't think she's harmless, but I also don't think she's as harmful as some people 0.94

00:49:12.560 make her out to be. I think people obsess way too much about things like symbolism and psyops.

00:49:19.560 I just think that she's a person, like a very influential person, a talented person,

00:49:24.500 not a very smart person, IMO, not the person on whom the Western world will rise and fall.

00:49:31.240 But also, she's not a great role model for young girls. I mean, I like her music. I think you can

00:49:38.260 enjoy some people's talent without idolizing them or endorsing their worldview, but she's just not

00:49:44.640 someone I would, you know, hoist up and say everyone should be like her and you should be

00:49:49.760 taking your teen girls to her shows. No, no. I think because she seems so young and juvenile and 0.84

00:49:57.080 she's not as sexual as some other artists like Beyonce or whoever else, people think that, 1.00

00:50:03.040 oh yeah, it's good to take my 13, 14-year-old to her shows when like, oh my gosh, the messages that

00:50:09.600 she is relaying in some of her songs, while those of us who are older are able to filter them out,

00:50:15.300 I'm not sure that a 13-year-old should be listening to a song like Karma. I don't. That's a horrible

00:50:21.220 theological message, like a horrible worldview. It's always all about her and everyone who has 0.73

00:50:28.060 wronged her and other people's like misunderstanding of her intentions and things like that. The closest

00:50:34.320 that she got, I think, to like wisdom, discernment, and self-awareness is when she said, it's me,

00:50:39.740 hi, I'm the problem, it's me. And that is a good message for all of us, actually, because at the end

00:50:45.340 of the day, we're not responsible for everything that happens to us, but we are responsible for

00:50:50.840 the choices that we make. And a lot of what happens to us is actually dependent upon the choices that

00:50:57.260 we make. Not everything, but a lot. And so I appreciate that. Maybe that was like a glimmer of

00:51:02.020 hope, of maturity for Taylor Swift. But I guess that's where I fall on it. I'm sure other people

00:51:08.260 have had the same stance. Like, I don't think that she is as influential as some people think. I also

00:51:14.040 think that she is more influential than others think. I don't think that she is talentless. I

00:51:19.880 don't think she's the most talented person in the world. I don't think that she is a psyop. I do think 0.71

00:51:25.120 that she will have political influence to maybe push one segment of the demographic to being more 1.00

00:51:33.480 liberal than they would have been already. I still have my doubts about that. There have been a lot of

00:51:38.800 influential celebrities out there who have tried to sway elections and it just hasn't worked. I think

00:51:44.860 of like Beto O'Rourke. I think of Stacey Abrams and all of the Hollywood voices and dollars that were

00:51:53.380 flooded into their campaigns and they ultimately lost. And so, yeah, I mean, would I rather her not

00:52:00.060 be like a diehard pro-choice advocate? Would I rather her not make songs that say like,

00:52:06.260 you need to calm down and depict all people who are for biblical marriage and the reality of the

00:52:13.200 gender binary as like backwoods hicks who don't brush their teeth? Yes, I would prefer that. But 0.95

00:52:19.520 it's also just like, it's what basic celebrities do. And I'm sorry, it's popular shit. She's a basic 1.00

00:52:24.660 celebrity. She has no grasp of what's going on. She has no theological wisdom whatsoever. And therefore, 1.00

00:52:30.020 she should not be emulated, especially by Christian women. So that's my take on it all. And Taylor Swift 0.99

00:52:37.120 took up the whole time, the whole time. That's something, I mean, that's impressive that she is able

00:52:43.740 to command so much attention from so many people. But there you go. That's my take on that. And we've

00:52:50.160 got a lot to talk about this week, especially since we didn't cover the other stories that I wanted to talk

00:52:53.880 about today on today's episode. So we'll be covering a lot of that tomorrow. We'll be talking

00:52:59.000 about Rip Curl, the surfing company, cutting ties with Bethany Hamilton and going with a guy who

00:53:06.140 pretends to be a girl. I will also respond to what I responded to on Instagram about the lie that

00:53:16.580 rapes are up because of abortion bans. If we have time, I'll respond to Alistair Begg and what he's

00:53:24.340 been saying about attending gay weddings. And gosh, there's just so much. There's so much to talk

00:53:29.380 about. And I'll try to get to all of it in the next couple of days. But thank you so much for

00:53:34.360 listening and watching. And we will be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - January 30, 2024

Ep 942 ｜ Is Taylor Swift a Psyop？

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