Leigh Allen Baker played the mom on the hit show Good Luck Charlie. She has now become a voice for medical freedom. She is the mom of two vaccine-injured children. And today she is discussing why she has become so courageous as an advocate for liberty, her political evolution over the past few years, the heartbreak and betrayal she felt when Disney became one of the most prominent advocates for medical mandates. We re also discussing the endeavor that she is now undertaking with Brave Books and Kirk Cameron to offer a wholesome and educational alternative in kids' entertainment.
00:05:04.100To have been watching Disney at the time that it was on and so prominent.
00:05:09.460So you said that was like the best experience in acting that you had.
00:05:12.600So tell us a little bit more about that.
00:05:14.660So what Disney decided to do was they took network veteran writers and network veteran actors, myself and Eric Allen Kramer, who played my husband.
00:05:22.400And they put us together with these kids.
00:05:25.740And I kind of thought, how am I going to handle these kids?
00:05:31.920And then I quickly learned that even for the audience members and kids, the detriment in children's programming is that people dumb it down.
00:05:41.300And what I realized is I can just bring my A-games and the kids that I'm acting across, when they see me bring my A-game, they raise up their level of acting.
00:05:48.340And they meet you right there because kids are such open vessels.
00:05:51.940And the kids at home that watched, I didn't need to dumb it down for them.
00:05:56.140The same joke that landed for grandma or mom landed for the little kid, too.
00:06:00.620It was such a great show that cast such a wide net and such a big demographic.
00:06:04.680And it was just such a sweet spot in life.
00:06:08.400I mean, I went to work every day, and my job was just to laugh and be ridiculous.
00:06:29.460So what did life look like for you after that?
00:06:32.760Between that and then when you have become so outspoken about the things that matter, about life and freedom and all of that, what did you do during that period?
00:06:46.180And I would get offers for roles that were really inappropriate because, of course, the industry wants to take someone that's been on something pure and really escalated because then it's really titillating to take the mom from Good Luck Charlie and through her and compromising television shows and movies and scenes.
00:07:05.160I couldn't imagine at that point having kind of been the face for like having really been America's mom to turn around and do that kind of work.
00:07:55.720But it's like I was even doing a pilot for Disney Channel and developing shows and movies and with them and still continuing a relationship with Disney that was really good, fruitful for both parties.
00:08:08.060And was getting into executive producing for them, writing for them, creating for them, had done another pilot for them right before COVID hit.
00:08:17.500I was about to ask which year, because if it depends on who you ask, which year everything went crazy, could be 2020 during COVID.
00:08:26.460Some people might say 2015 when Trump announced that he was running for president.
00:08:30.440Like, the last 10 years have given us, like, a lot of years of crazy or introducing new seasons of crazy.
00:08:39.320And I'm curious, before 2020, which I think we both agree was the introduction of a lot of just insanity, were you, did you ever feel misaligned as a Christian living in LA working for Disney?
00:08:57.940Or was that a conflict that didn't really come up on the projects that you were working on?
00:09:53.500As long as you kept it in, like, the hallmark realm of talking about Christmas, then you were fine.
00:09:57.780Really what struck me is, you know, I was in the, when Trump ran, I guess what started to kind of seem odd to me was, wait a second.
00:10:22.440And I wasn't even into politics, really.
00:10:23.980I just thought, there's two legal candidates running that I'm allowed to vote for because there are two candidates, but I'm not allowed to vote for one.
00:10:44.960Why is someone canceled for their job or fired from this or not allowed to do that because they said they wanted to vote for a candidate?
00:10:55.320I mean, I'm old enough to where, you know, my friends and I would get together and go vote and cancel each other out and go for a salad afterwards, you know, and laugh about it.
00:11:04.460And suddenly I saw the world really kind of flip on end.
00:11:07.820And I saw the media really loving it and perpetuating it.
00:11:11.540I mean, that's what they really wanted, right?
00:11:12.960It's just another way to divide the country.
00:11:15.180And that's what they want at the end is really keep us divided on every issue so that we're not focused on what these globalists and what this greater agenda is.
00:11:23.780It's more keep us focused on fighting with one another.
00:11:27.780And it was really in 2020 when these things came into focus for you, right?
00:11:32.4202019 things really came into focus for me because I saw a lot of, you know, it's not my story, but it's part of my origin story with this whole thing is that I had children who were injured by vaccines, childhood vaccines.
00:11:46.580And so I did a lot of research and not just on ingredients, but on what was going on in politics and how mandatory vaccinations for adults was an untapped market, according to Warren Buffett, that could use billions of dollars.
00:12:01.440And they had kind of like they've kind of run as far as they could with mandating them for kids, because how many can you give them at that point?
00:12:08.500And then in 2019, there were a lot of behind closed doors meetings going on in California with Gavin Newsom trying to remove medical exemptions for children who had suffered vaccine injuries, medical injuries.
00:12:20.540So in other words, like your kid just either couldn't go to school or, you know, had to get a vaccine and possibly die and go to school.
00:12:29.580So when they were making these behind the closed door deals about making mandatory vaccines and saying that the state would have the authority to decide if your child could be medically exempt.
00:12:43.440So some random guy in an office from the state. And even then you would have to give your social security number.
00:12:48.640You would have to give your location, the location of the school. There would be all this private information released.
00:12:53.140It just seemed like something else was up. Like this isn't about like 4000 kids in the entire state of California.
00:12:59.800And you're doing this. No, this is some sort of totalitarian control overstepping your bounds to get information to track people.
00:13:07.820Oh, we're into tracking people now. OK, so you were noticing this stuff in 2019, you said.
00:13:14.620Oh, yeah, they were 100 percent setting up for this. So, yeah, I was I'll say you were ahead of the curve because most people, most people weren't thinking about this.
00:13:22.880Of course, there's been a conversation about childhood vaccines for a while and that has blown up in the past couple of years since covid.
00:13:30.060But you were worried about surveillance, mandatory vaccines and tracking.
00:13:35.240Oh, yeah. Before covid. Yes, I was worried about if you don't get your shot, you can't get your driver's license.
00:13:43.420You don't get if we go to a digital currency, if you don't get your shots, then you don't have access to groceries.
00:13:51.000I mean, that's. Yeah. And that's the long game, my friends. Right.
00:13:56.180And OK, so when you started talking about this, what was the reaction that you were getting from people around you?
00:14:02.920They thought I was absolutely nuts. In fact, I had a group of friends in California that right when covid hit, I had done some research and I had found online a medical study.
00:14:13.000I had a medical study published by the NIH that the cure for SARS-CoV with ACE2 inhibitor.
00:14:21.360This study was done in 2014, 2015, that the cure was quercetin with zinc because quercetin made zinc an ionophore.
00:14:31.720So what that means is that it opens the viral cell wall so that zinc can penetrate and stop replication.
00:14:37.300So SARS-CoV with ACE2 inhibitor sounded like SARS-CoV-2 to me, just taking a leap. Right.
00:14:44.060And so I sent this to my friends who are also worried about this virus of, you know, if you take quercetin with zinc and we're also zinc deficient, that this could be helpful.
00:14:53.440Well, it turns out that the other two zinc ionophores that people were starting to later realize was hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin, though those are prescription versions.
00:15:04.600And I much prefer the natural bioflavonoid way. Of course, it didn't.
00:15:07.360But I started doing all this research before seeing, oh, this is what's coming down the line.
00:15:11.660I was at the point in my life where, you know, the first two weeks in, you know, the headlines on the paper.
00:15:18.260Yes, I'd still gotten a paper at the time. That's how old school I am, was Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation offers one hundred and eighty million for vaccine philanthropy study.
00:15:26.100And I was like, oh, everybody else is like, oh, he's such a good guy.
00:15:28.960And I'm holding it up to my husband saying this is how they're going to do it.
00:15:35.180Wow. So you were really probably one of the first people talking about this.
00:15:39.660And the first people who sound the alarm about anything always take the most arrows.
00:15:46.140I'm sure at the time it felt a little lonely.
00:15:51.080I didn't have a single friend text me back on that thread where I mentioned quercetin and none of them has spoken to me since.
00:15:57.520Not a not a happy birthday to your kids, not a oh, I'm sorry, you're getting death threats publicly and you've been slammed all over Inside Edition and everywhere else.
00:16:06.960I mean, these people were I had people that were godparents to my children.
00:16:10.260They were they were the guardians of my children.
00:16:11.680If something happened to us, we had left our children to them.
00:16:15.180And no communication, no Christmas card, zero.
00:16:26.560And when I fled and moved and here's where I really stepped in it is I was.
00:16:32.620Asked by a bunch of moms to please go to a school board meeting in Williamson County, Tennessee, even though my kids weren't going to school.
00:16:38.640I was homeschooling them and because they were going to mandate masks again.
00:18:14.000When my kids first rode it, their heads would be pulled down.
00:18:16.720And then later when they rode it, it was like core tight, neck up, arms in the air, using your core to balance.
00:18:22.400I mean, it really is so good for kids with any kind of physical disability or special need.
00:18:28.740I read an article that said that this company, Disney, that I've donated so many years of my life to and really my heart to.
00:18:37.280And was really invested in not just on a business level, but that like in a relationship with these people were really like my second family and that they were going to be making their they were discussing the possibility of vaccination in order to enter.
00:18:52.460And making Disneyland and making Disneyland and like a vaccine distribution headquarters.
00:19:10.120I mean, to me, if someone with vaccine injured children, it wasn't just a difference of opinion or belief.
00:19:19.400To me, it was like a death sentence to my kids.
00:19:23.380Oh, your kids can't be a part of society anymore because, well, you know, you were some of the unlucky ones that really, you know, took a hit.
00:19:30.720Whose lives will never be the same, who has suffered immensely.
00:19:38.400Abuse, with violence, with death threats, with threats of being ostracized from society, my children never being able to fit in.
00:19:46.200When Gavin Newsom stands up one day and says the only way that California will ever go back to normal is if everyone takes a mandatory vaccination.
00:19:53.700Well, he may as well have put a loaded gun up to my kids heads like that was not going to happen.
00:20:00.720I'm sure you felt so betrayed because Disneyland had been not just y'all's fun place, but it sounds like also your safe place.
00:23:05.080I mean, there are different, different ways to describe it.
00:23:08.720But I do think a lot of us, especially as women, can be victims of what I call empathy shaming or empathy bullying or toxic empathy.
00:23:16.980Like, it's basically using a form of empathy as a mallet to bludgeon someone into compliance.
00:23:24.900If you're an empathetic person, you'll be on the progressive side of any issue, whether it's gender, whether it's abortion, whether it's vaccines.
00:23:31.880And because all of us want to be seen as empathetic, no one wants to be seen as mean or hateful or bigoted.
00:23:39.560We hear, OK, well, that must just be true.
00:23:42.000It must be empathetic to be pro-toys or to be pro-mandate.
00:23:47.540And so people just it's just easier for them.
00:23:49.880It's just easier to kind of believe that.
00:23:52.060And as you have shown, we have every incentive, really, to fall in line with what the mainstream says is right, because you might be punished if you don't.
00:25:00.580Deadliest virus in the history of the world, and you can't get it by touching things.
00:25:03.200Everybody knows you go to Disneyland, you touch something, you lick something, you get the flu or whatever, you know, I was just like, I'm not buying it.
00:25:09.200Like, it's it's all a scam, all of it.
00:25:19.700I knew my kids wouldn't be able to go to school.
00:25:21.580And I thought, well, Tennessee has good schools.
00:25:25.160OK, so your husband, he was on board with everything as well.
00:25:28.240He had been saying that there were very few outs for our kids to have a normal life.
00:25:36.660There was only so much more hiding of the fact that we had vaccine injuries and that how could we participate in society when we weren't going to be allowed to even go to school?
00:25:56.340The timing was that I felt God really say to me, like now.
00:26:02.060OK, and you are also you're also pro-life.
00:26:06.620California is obviously ardently pro-abortion.
00:26:11.760And I'm sure just kind of the disparate values and the gap that was growing between you and California also contributed to your sense of urgency to leave.
00:26:25.640I didn't see a financial equation that would ever make sense for my children to be able to have a life there.
00:26:35.140There is no mathematical equation that can fix the catastrophic state of the financial situation going on in California, nor is there going to be any freedoms left.
00:26:49.660I just didn't see life working out for them.
00:27:01.180Someone actually said to me the other day in an interview, what made you radically change to leave California and start a career in a different direction?
00:27:42.860And you have to wear a mask, which everybody knows.
00:27:47.920I'm sorry, but that's just ridiculous.
00:27:50.900And OK, so when you got to Tennessee, you said that things really kind of blew up for you when you went viral and you spoke at a school board meeting in Franklin to protest implementation of mask mandates.
00:28:17.520This was in August of twenty twenty one.
00:28:19.540And we're just going to go ahead and play that clip.
00:28:21.980Now, it's thought to the real part of the clown show is that you all think that you actually have the authority to mandate this because there are these books that I have and I have them as a gift for you.
00:28:34.260The Constitution, the Declaration of Independence, the Bill of Rights and the Federalist Papers and also the Bible.
00:28:42.680And these guarantee my freedom and yours and our children's to breathe oxygen.
00:28:46.860OK, so that kind of spread really quickly on the Internet and you became really kind of a voice for people pushing back against this, right?
00:29:00.400Yeah, that was such a God moment because I was not planning to go there.
00:29:06.020I had these books and someone had said, please come, please come, you can talk to people.
00:29:11.100And I thought, well, you know, while people are outside waiting in line, I could maybe inspire them, read something from this.
00:29:19.740I didn't know what I was going to say.
00:29:21.340And then when I got there, this woman said, look, we want you to speak.
00:29:25.320So take my number because the slots to speak had been filled.
00:29:28.760And I really didn't know what I was going to say.
00:29:31.260And that speech actually started out with me just being so thankful because when I stood up there, I realized the gratitude that I have, that I live in a country where I can actually stand up and say what I want to say still, at least for now.
00:29:45.000And how precious and amazing and incredible that right was.
00:29:48.820And so I was really overcome with gratitude.
00:29:50.720And that's how I started out with like, I'm so thankful to be here because I'd truly been met with open arms in Tennessee.
00:29:56.240And I'd never felt that in California.
00:30:36.620This is just how can I make an impact to get the truth out there?
00:30:40.440Because they already had made their decisions that they were going to remandate masks.
00:30:43.600However, what people don't know is that in the state of Tennessee, if you just wrote a letter and say, yeah, we're going to make ourselves exempt from that, you could be exempt from it.
00:30:51.880But you had to make yourself exempt from wearing a mask before you could do that.
00:30:55.100If you just went to school and were like, no, I'm just going to live by my rights under the Constitution to breathe freely and walk freely and you not restrict my movement, they would sequester you.
00:31:05.540So it really wasn't about the health or the safety.
00:31:07.760It was about getting that bit of control over you and people complying with it.
00:31:12.780Are you worried about what could be around the corner in an election year?
00:31:18.600I mean, we know all of the chaos that came from COVID probably helped Biden.
00:31:24.180I mean, you know, election stuff aside, I know a lot of people still have questions and criticisms of the process itself.
00:31:31.780But, I mean, Democrats obviously used the fear surrounding COVID to say you have to vote for us because your life depends upon it.
00:31:41.960I mean, and we've already seen the WHO.
00:31:44.480We talked about this on the show recently, the WHO trying to get multiple countries to sign this treaty, seeding in some ways our sovereignty in case of some kind of medical emergency.
00:31:56.780Our bodily autonomy, they would take that over.
00:31:59.180They want the right to override any constitution, any government control of our people or state regulations.
00:32:05.400They want to come in and implement theirs.
00:32:07.620And let's talk about how wrong they were on absolutely everything with that, with COVID.
00:32:12.940They were wrong on absolutely everything.
00:33:11.040But unfortunately, they basically say this stuff out loud.
00:33:14.000When they go to Davos and the people who are involved in the WEF, the world leaders who are all incentivized by the WEF to carry out these policies, they're not hiding things like that.
00:33:25.740We've already heard the WHO say that we need a one health approach when it comes to battling things like COVID.
00:33:34.380Anytime you see the word one in front of this global organization's plans, you need to be really skeptical because that does always signify some kind of lack of sovereignty, either individual sovereignty, national sovereignty, as you said, autonomy.
00:33:51.120Because the fact of the matter is countries are different, peoples are different, families are different.
00:33:56.560We can't all be governed under one system, one process, one strategy without an entity taking complete and total control.
00:34:07.360And so it does seem like you were ahead of the curve in understanding kind of where this goes.
00:38:07.800Kids are finally, you know, slowing down, being indoctrinated and starting to be like educated and learning to use executive function.
00:38:16.460I just people are learning to the basics of growing your own food, of cooking, of, you know, the sourdough bread, the raw milk craze, getting back to basics.
00:38:26.020We've gone so far in the other direction.
00:38:37.760And that's where the Second Amendment comes in handy.
00:38:39.960I do think that it can be intimidating to think about trying to save the world.
00:38:48.500And I just remind the women, the individuals listening to my podcast, is that it's not our job to save the world or to change the future.
00:38:57.260You can only do what you can with the resources that you've been given, with the people around you.
00:39:03.920So what we are all called to do, which is what Christians have always been called to do for the 2,000 years of our existence, is to maximize, to cultivate, to beautify the tiny plot of earth, the tiny speck of eternity on which God has providentially placed us.
00:39:22.000And that only ever means doing the next thing that glorifies God, doing the next right thing.
00:39:28.700That's not my original phrase, but that's a phrase that we say a lot on this show, do the next right thing in faith with excellence and for the glory of God.
00:39:36.320Sometimes that will mean some big, brave public thing.
00:39:40.540It might mean speaking before the school board.
00:39:43.320Sometimes it's the more private thing.
00:39:45.300Sometimes it's literally just washing dishes or changing a diaper with joy, discipling your children, sharing the gospel with your friend.
00:39:53.620Maybe it is taking those steps to ensure that your home is a refuge of godliness and of clarity and of truth and of health and stability and all of those things.
00:40:07.820I don't want the women out there to think that they're powerless.
00:40:11.020You can only do what God has empowered you to do with what you have and trust that God is completely and totally powerful and that he will win.
00:40:22.520That doesn't mean that we sit back and do nothing.
00:40:24.980That just means that obedience moment by moment looks different.
00:40:29.640It looks different depending on the stage of life that you're in, what God has called you to do, the talent that he's given you, and all of those things.
00:40:38.200And we might not be able, you're probably never going to be able, not you, but you in general, talk to Klaus Schwab and change his mind.
00:42:00.940It's been on a podcast or it's, you know, trying to find a new path for my career because they shut it down of, you know, expanding into a different direction, taking Christian film in a different direction.
00:42:15.960So and sometimes I have friends that say, I want to be able to make an impact like you do.
00:42:35.700Tell us about this new project that you have that you're working on with Kirk Cameron that is hopefully going to make parents feel less alone and like they have somewhere else to turn for education and entertainment for their kids.
00:42:51.040That's not somewhere like Disney, who unfortunately has really turned their backs on a lot of parents.
00:42:58.360Yeah, corporations, unfortunately, are at the whim of what will make their company profitable with certain investors and certain political climates.
00:43:09.060But that's not the case with Brave Bucks because they're brave and they have recognized that the lane is completely open for good, wholesome family entertainment.
00:43:22.460It's kind of like a Mr. Rogers type feel, which I think Kirk is perfect for.
00:43:26.680And he has this puppet Iggy that is really hilarious that is his little sidekick in that show.
00:43:33.260And I have a segment on that show where I just go over anything creative, arts, entertainment, singing, painting, sculpture, any kind of creative outlet for kids to do in that segment.
00:43:46.600So it's really kind of like a Sesame Street meets Mr. Rogers, but it's going to have a lot more energy and be more modernized.
00:43:55.740And parents can trust that the lessons in this are wholesome and value God and family.
00:44:03.680OK, so tell me where people can go to learn more about it.
00:44:06.300So go to BraveTV.com and you can learn all sorts of it, all the different things about it.
00:44:12.880Now, one of the things that I will stress is that is dependent on fundraising because we're not going to answer to Hollywood executives.
00:44:52.140And there's an option to back this project.
00:44:54.500And so I would encourage everyone, like, it's not enough for us to just sit around and complain about what these major corporations are doing
00:45:02.460and the degenerate content that we're seeing on Netflix and different places like that.
00:45:07.740We have to put our money where our mouth is because there are, thank the Lord, there are growing alternatives.
00:45:13.520And to speak to our point earlier about there being reason for hope and reason for gladness,
00:45:19.200like, I am seeing this parallel economy really crop up of conservatives, freedom-loving people, Christians saying,
00:45:27.020you know what, I'm going to make sure that parents, that people have options,
00:45:31.320that they don't have to spend their money on these godless corporations and this just radical programming that we are seeing on the left.
00:45:40.980So go to bravebooks.us and you'll see the option to back the project.
00:45:45.160Is there anything else you want people to know about that?
00:45:49.300I think most of the content that they can find on that website.
00:45:54.040And really, you know, I would just encourage you to get involved.
00:45:57.640And maybe, you know, when we take this step and be, you know, courageous and forming our own path,
00:46:03.620maybe it will be so successful that it becomes contagious and that maybe Disney will start to make better content again
00:46:09.500and listen to their viewership instead of listening to the corporate overlords.
00:46:13.840Yes. Yes. And amen. Well, thank you so much. And people can follow you on Instagram.
00:46:20.040Anywhere else you want to direct them?
00:46:22.600Instagram. I have a TikTok and YouTube channel and Twitter. You can just Google me and it will pop up.
00:46:29.960Okay. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Leigh Allen. I really appreciate you taking the time to come on to share your story.
00:46:35.980I am thankful for your courage. Courage is contagious. Courage begets courage.
00:46:41.180And you have helped a lot of women be courageous. So I really appreciate that.