Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 962 ｜ Will IVF Sway Suburban Women？｜ Guest： Ron Simmons

00:00:00.620 Today is Super Tuesday. We've got our political analysis of everything that is going on. Also,

00:00:08.880 the Supreme Court ruled nine to zero that Trump stays on the ballot. Wow. We will talk about what

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00:02:50.340 Let's first give an update. Before we get into the politics of today, of what's happening in the

00:02:56.780 voting world and between Trump and Haley and all of that, let's get into what's happening with IVF.

00:03:03.840 This is an update from, I believe it was last week or was it a couple of weeks ago? Everything

00:03:08.480 just kind of blurs together where we talked about the Alabama Supreme Court case that ruled that

00:03:14.520 embryos are children. And therefore, if you destroy them, those embryos actually have a right to life.

00:03:24.860 And so you are held liable. You are held accountable under the law. This was an 1872 law,

00:03:32.700 the wrongful death of a minor act where the Supreme Court said, yeah, embryos count as a minor. And so

00:03:40.700 you got a consequence. You got a legal consequence if you're going to destroy these embryos. Now the

00:03:46.020 media, of course, is running with this. They're running with this because they know it looks bad

00:03:50.640 on Republicans. And they're trying to say, look, Republicans are coming after IVF. They're against

00:03:56.360 in vitro fertilization. And Dobbs, the overturning of Roe was just the beginning. They're trying to

00:04:02.680 come after all of your reproductive rights, not just what they would call the reproductive right 0.99

00:04:07.980 to abortion. But the reality is like, I just want to make sure before we get into what some of the

00:04:13.920 Republicans and Democrats are saying, I just want to make sure that this is framed correctly.

00:04:17.700 Obviously, the IVF battle that's going on in Alabama right now, first of all, it's not really

00:04:25.800 about IVF. That's not what the Supreme Court case was about. It was not deciding whether IVF should be

00:04:32.720 illegal or not. And this is not a battle that was waged by IVF opponents. No, this lawsuit was filed by

00:04:42.640 the parents of the embryos who were created through IVF in the state of Alabama. And you'll remember

00:04:49.840 that someone who was not an authorized person was in this fertility clinic and accidentally or

00:04:56.240 purposely, we're not really sure, they destroyed these parents' embryos. And so these parents actually

00:05:03.760 sued under this law, the wrongful death of a minor act. So they are not anti-IVF.

00:05:12.460 They are not anti-abortion activists. These parents weren't trying to take down the IVF industry

00:05:19.620 in the state of Alabama or anywhere. These were pro-IVF parents who had used IVF themselves,

00:05:25.980 but who wanted to fight for the right of their children, of their embryos, to not be murdered or

00:05:35.340 to have justice after they were destroyed. And so this is being framed entirely incorrectly,

00:05:43.060 which is not surprising by the media, that this is like pro-life anti-IVF activists who are trying to

00:05:50.060 abolish IVF in the state of Alabama. That's not what happened. These were parents seeking justice on

00:05:55.960 behalf of the embryos that they had created through IVF. The Supreme Court did not say, yeah, IVF is illegal.

00:06:01.520 The Supreme Court said, well, these embryos are living humans. And since they are living humans,

00:06:07.120 there's really no scientific or moral or certainly no biblical reason why they shouldn't have the same

00:06:12.940 human rights that other humans have just because they're young, just because they're small, just 0.58

00:06:18.040 because they're at the earliest date of development. And of course, I agree with them on that. And when

00:06:23.300 they talked about IVF in the decision, as we talked about a couple of weeks ago, when we summarized

00:06:28.080 their decision, they said, as it pertains to IVF, that's going to have to be something that the

00:06:36.200 legislature wrestles with in the state of Alabama. And there are lots of things that can be put in

00:06:43.180 place. There are lots of regulations that can be implemented that wouldn't abolish IVF altogether,

00:06:50.060 but would protect the rights of embryos from being frozen indefinitely or destroyed. And the case,

00:07:00.940 the decision that was handed down by the Alabama Supreme Court cited several other countries that

00:07:07.800 have very common sense regulations in place in the European Union, in Australia and New Zealand,

00:07:14.880 where you can't do what you can do in the United States, which is the wild, wild west of the

00:07:20.520 reproductive industry, where you can just freeze as many embryos as you want to. You can destroy as 0.75

00:07:27.440 many embryos as you want to. You can implant a ton of embryos. And then if all four of those embryos say

00:07:35.620 are, or transfer all of those embryos and say, all four of those embryos actually implant,

00:07:41.520 um, and you're pregnant with quadruplets, then you can selectively reduce. That happens very often in

00:07:50.080 this country where the baby, uh, two of the babies will actually be aborted because the parents decide

00:07:56.520 that they don't want, uh, quadruplets. And so there are all kinds of things that happen in the United

00:08:01.480 States that are entirely immoral, entirely unethical because we have so few regulations surrounding IVF.

00:08:09.080 And because we do not regard these embryos as what they are, unique human beings, human life,

00:08:16.560 other countries around the world do other countries, at least put in some kinds of protections and

00:08:23.780 regulations to protect the lives of these embryos. Again, America is really the wild, wild west.

00:08:31.140 The Supreme court here in Alabama did not rule on IVF. They just said, we're going to have to have

00:08:38.040 more laws in place that recognize that these human beings are in fact human beings and as such are

00:08:44.760 entitled to human rights. The most fundamental of which is the right to life. This is the anti-abortion 0.92

00:08:52.360 argument. So everyone says that you are pro-life. You are pro-life because you believe that life starts

00:09:00.080 at conception. Anytime we get into this business of saying, well, sure, life starts at conception

00:09:07.200 because what else is an embryo except for a living human? We know that. Um, anytime you get into the

00:09:15.020 business of saying, well, even after a human being is created, you might not have value. You might not

00:09:22.880 have worth. You might not have rights. You might not have protection. Then it becomes very arbitrary.

00:09:27.720 And based on what factor, like, are we giving people the right to life based on the size they

00:09:33.180 are based on their location, based on their sentience, based on their stage of development,

00:09:37.500 based on their ability to fight back? Then you can see how that's really tricky. You're basically

00:09:43.840 saying that a toddler is not as important as a teenager or a teenager shouldn't have a right to

00:09:49.520 life in the same way that a 25 year old does. Like you see, when you give a person rights,

00:09:54.580 any time after conception, it becomes very slippery, very barbaric, very arbitrary. So that is the

00:10:01.600 pro-life argument saying, no, from the time that life is conceived, which scientifically is when that

00:10:09.360 egg is fertilized, is when that embryo is created, that is when human rights start. Again, the most

00:10:16.380 fundamental of which is the right to life. And because IVF involves so often, not always, but so

00:10:25.540 often, the destruction of embryos, the indefinite freezing of embryos, the abandonment of embryos,

00:10:35.900 people who are pro-life should rightly say, wait, we have to, we have to care about their

00:10:43.000 protection too. These are people too. We can't just say that embryos have a right to life when

00:10:48.240 they're inside of the womb, but embryos in a lab don't. Again, then we're just, we've just completely

00:10:55.380 imbibed this pro-choice idea that these are just clumps of cells that don't have value, that don't

00:11:04.140 have rights because of their location. And so I just, I don't, I don't see it. I don't see the

00:11:14.620 ability to be pro-life and to have abortion or the anti-abortion logic that we do as pro-lifers and

00:11:22.060 say, yeah, IVF should just keep going as unregulated as it is. Yeah, you should be able to create as many

00:11:28.640 freeze, as many transfer, as many embryos as you want because, well, we're pro-baby. No, that's not

00:11:35.340 a thoughtful position. I also don't believe that that is a biblical position because we are placing

00:11:43.120 the wants of adults over the well-being of these tiny human beings. And again, that is the,

00:11:49.620 that is anti-pro-life. However, most people have not thought about this. Most people haven't thought

00:11:57.680 about this subject. And I understand that. I do. It's not like I have always been this passionate

00:12:05.260 about this. There was a time just a few years ago where I also didn't really know what to think

00:12:11.660 about all of this. I also thought of IVF as just, as just a thing that people did to have babies. And

00:12:21.840 I love babies. And I want people who want to be parents to be able to have kids. And wow,

00:12:29.160 the yearning for a child, especially when that yearning is not fulfilled, when that longing can't

00:12:36.120 be met, that is so heartbreaking, unimaginably difficult. And so if IVF allows someone who wants

00:12:43.800 to be a parent to have children, isn't that wonderful? Shouldn't I be on board with that?

00:12:47.980 But that was before I really started thinking about it. That was before I knew about the IVF

00:12:53.280 process. That was before I knew about the ethical quandaries that so many parents are put in when

00:12:59.840 they've created so many embryos and they don't know what to do with the leftovers. And I understand

00:13:06.880 that's not everyone's story. Maybe you're listening and you're like, well, we transferred

00:13:10.240 all of our embryos. We only created three. We transferred all three. Look, I still think that

00:13:16.140 there are ethical and moral questions about conceiving outside of the womb and the risk of

00:13:22.960 failure of transfer and the burden that that places on the embryo. But of course, I think that

00:13:28.760 is the better option. But that is the minority. That is the minority. In the vast majority of cases,

00:13:35.440 you're creating more embryos than you actually ever plan to transfer or implant. And so many frozen

00:13:43.860 embryos are left over. And these are all people made in the image of God. And when I see that,

00:13:50.100 and when I see how the reproductive industry profits off of all of this, and I see the consequences that

00:13:56.220 the whole process actually has on female bodies, I have a lot of now fervor for talking about a subject 1.00

00:14:05.440 that most evangelicals just won't touch. And I just want us to be more thoughtful on it. Even though

00:14:13.540 I feel sometimes like I and just a few other people are kind of alone, like in the pro-life

00:14:20.300 evangelical world when it comes to talking about this, and certainly on the Republican side.

00:14:24.560 And I'm going to read you some of the takes from Republicans over the past few days who have

00:14:32.160 realized, ooh, this is unpopular. And because we want to win an election, we're going to make sure

00:14:37.180 that we say, yay, IVF is awesome. So I'll read you some of those in just a second.

00:14:42.060 All right. So Donald Trump came out in support of IVF several days ago. He said, let's see,

00:15:00.580 I don't want to read this whole thing. He said, like the overwhelming majority, this is on Truth

00:15:05.060 Social of Americans, including the vast majority of Republicans, conservatives, Christians and pro-life

00:15:09.920 Americans. I strongly support the availability of IVF for couples who are trying to have a precious

00:15:14.240 baby. Today, I'm calling on the Alabama legislature to act quickly to find an immediate solution to

00:15:19.120 preserve the availability of IVF in Alabama. Look, even though I am against IVF and I've done several

00:15:26.960 episodes on it, and I could spend this entire episode going into all the reasons why, even though

00:15:32.340 I've already articulated some of the reasons why here, go back and listen to those previous episodes

00:15:38.420 and you can hear that. But even though I am against all cases of IVF, I would be happy moving in the

00:15:46.680 direction of, say, Europe or New Zealand or Australia, where you can't just create all of

00:15:54.880 these frozen embryos and then do whatever you want with them. I would be happy moving in the direction

00:16:01.280 of protecting those embryos while also maybe allowing the transfer and the freezing of one embryo at a

00:16:09.760 time. Italy doesn't even allow you to freeze the embryos. You have to transfer them immediately. Again,

00:16:17.220 I would be happy moving in that direction. But maybe this will cause state legislatures to actually 0.99

00:16:23.300 thoughtfully consider this issue and ensure that there are at least some protections in place for

00:16:32.380 these tiny embryos. Nikki Haley, not surprising at all that she is kind of flip-flopped on this. So

00:16:40.600 at first, she says embryos are life, but she's also in favor of more IVF clinics. So here's top one.

00:16:49.240 I mean, embryos to me are babies. Even those created through IVF. I mean, I had artificial

00:16:56.760 insemination. That's how I had my son. So when you look at, you know, one thing is to have to save

00:17:03.320 sperm or to save eggs. But when you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that's a life.

00:17:10.020 And so I do see where that's coming from when they talk about that.

00:17:12.900 Okay. So I agree with her on that, that embryos are life. Of course, when you have an embryo in your

00:17:22.480 womb and you see that you're pregnant, you say that you are having a baby, but we change the

00:17:29.700 terminology, it seems like, or the pro-abortion side does, or even some pro-life, pro-IVF advocates

00:17:37.160 change the terminology when it comes to embryos or embryos outside of the womb. Now here, Nikki Haley

00:17:45.520 is saying that we actually want more IVF clinics.

00:17:48.820 Let me make it clear. We want more IVF centers. We want these parents to have these options. 0.97

00:17:55.980 We want government to allow the conversation to be between the doctor and the parents without

00:18:00.400 government getting in the way on the decisions that are made about them and what happens with

00:18:06.020 these embryos. So the goal is fix whatever you need to fix to keep government out of it.

00:18:12.280 All right. So that's basically the pro-choice talking point when it comes to abortion. And

00:18:16.180 it absolutely does apply here. If embryos are human beings, are human babies at the earliest stage of

00:18:23.880 development, as Nikki Haley said in that first clip, then why do we want more unregulated,

00:18:31.400 unregulated, she's saying unregulated IVF clinics where these embryos are not protected by law?

00:18:40.200 They do not have a right to life. They can be abandoned. They can be sold. They can be indefinitely

00:18:47.580 frozen. They can be destroyed. They can be fodder or a volleyball in the middle of relationship

00:18:57.980 problems between parents. This is what happened. Who is that? Who's that actress that was on 1.00

00:19:05.940 Modern Family? Sofia Vergara. That was part of what happened there is they had frozen embryos that she 1.00

00:19:13.220 didn't want to transfer. And then the husband did. I mean, that kind of thing happens all the time.

00:19:19.200 That's why I'm saying these embryos have to have rights. They have to be seen as individuals.

00:19:24.580 And here Nikki Haley is saying, well, no, these human beings, they should not have a legal right

00:19:30.200 to life because she's saying the government shouldn't get in the way. So again, I would

00:19:34.380 just ask her, why do you apply that logic when it comes to embryos in a lab? But you say that you're

00:19:41.480 pro-life, you say that you're anti-abortion, and so should those embryos inside the womb, 0.95

00:19:48.560 should they have a right to life? It's very, very confusing. And then Carrie Lake, she says,

00:19:55.340 one in six Americans struggle with fertility issues in the Senate. I will advocate for

00:19:58.980 increased access to fertility treatment for women struggling to get pregnant. IVF is extremely

00:20:03.820 important for helping countless families experience the joy of parenthood. I oppose

00:20:09.380 restriction. So again, what we are hearing from Republicans is that there should be actually an

00:20:16.980 increase, an increase of frozen embryos, an increase of embryos created and placed on ice

00:20:25.620 indefinitely. There should be more of this. There are already millions of frozen embryos

00:20:32.340 in America, again, because we are the unregulated wild, wild west, because the reproductive industry

00:20:38.660 makes so much money off of this and surrogacy and all of these things. We're already absolutely

00:20:46.660 wild and an anomaly in the world when it comes to this stuff. And here you have Republicans,

00:20:53.120 pro-life Republicans, who one day will say, yeah, of course, babies have the right to life. Those

00:21:00.240 babies need to be protected. I'm 100% pro-life. Oh, but we need more IVF clinics. We oppose restrictions.

00:21:07.460 We do not want the government to get involved. So these embryos over here, they do not have a right

00:21:13.000 to life. In order to have a right to life, you actually have to have that right recognized by

00:21:18.960 law. And they're saying, no, they shouldn't have a legally recognized right to life. There's so much

00:21:26.320 hypocrisy and incongruence. And I don't think they're stupid. I don't. I think that they think 1.00

00:21:33.140 that you're stupid. I think that's what it is. They don't want you to see that hypocrisy. 1.00

00:21:38.400 They know that saying you're pro-life and pro-IVF no matter what unconditionally is actually

00:21:45.980 a pretty popular position among a lot of people, even though it is, as I said, very incongruent.

00:21:56.120 They don't want you to see the duplicitousness. Even Mike Johnson, who has said a lot of things that

00:22:02.580 I agree with, especially when it comes to Christianity. He said that, yay, he's pro-IVF. 0.52

00:22:09.620 Here's thought nine.

00:22:11.160 I believe in the sanctity of every human life. I always have. And because of that, I support

00:22:15.400 IVF and its availability. It needs to be readily available. It needs to be something that every

00:22:19.860 American supports. And it needs to be handled in an ethical manner. So we'll continue to support

00:22:25.420 that. I don't think there's a single person in the Republican conference who disagrees with

00:22:29.960 that statement. Yikes. That's because most Republicans haven't thought about anything.

00:22:37.320 That's just the case. Most Republicans haven't thought about anything. Most people have not

00:22:41.140 thought about anything. No one, it seems, is looking at this from the perspective of this defenseless

00:22:48.480 life. And I don't want it to seem like I am condemning all of you who have used IVF. I have a

00:22:59.960 And as I've said so many times, one, your pain of not having been able to have children

00:23:06.680 naturally is real and deserves compassion and deserves empathy and deserves focus and attention.

00:23:14.940 And I am sorry. I can imagine. I can absolutely imagine the heartbreak that it was for you month

00:23:22.800 after month. Seeing that negative pregnancy test, hearing from the doctor, you're not going to be able

00:23:28.600 to conceive children naturally. IVF is your only available option. I imagine how difficult that was

00:23:36.060 to hear. That's not what you wanted to go through. You didn't want to have to go through IVF, but you saw

00:23:41.260 that as your only ticket to being able to conceive and bear a child that is biologically yours. So that's 0.56

00:23:49.040 one. Two, I know that you love your children. You love your children just as much as I do, just as much as

00:23:54.700 anyone else does. And three, your children are made in the image of God. They have just as much value as anyone

00:24:01.460 else's children. And so all of these things are true. All of these things are true. That does not, none of these

00:24:09.440 things, though, justify unfettered access to IVF. None of these things negate the ethical and moral questions that we have

00:24:18.680 and should have about the process of freezing and transferring and implanting and dissecting embryos.

00:24:28.980 There's still a eugenics process when it comes to testing these embryos. There is still the issue of the 0.74

00:24:37.980 failure rate of transfers. There is still the entire moral and biblical issue of taking conception

00:24:47.500 away from the sexual act. Again, this is something that evangelicals don't talk about a lot, but it has 0.83

00:24:55.320 to be talked about. What do we always say about technology? When it takes us from what is natural to what

00:25:01.820 is possible, we are obligated, especially as Christians, to ask, is this moral? Natural to

00:25:11.420 possible, but is this moral? A lot of times it is, but sometimes it's not. Just because something is

00:25:17.940 possible does not mean that it is moral. And I've talked to many of you who went through IVF and you

00:25:24.480 are dealing with this moral quandary now where you've got babies left on ice and you are not able to have

00:25:31.000 those children yourself. You've got health restrictions, whatever. And you can't bear to put those embryos

00:25:37.720 on ice up for adoption because you have no control over who adopts those babies. Will it be two men?

00:25:45.820 Will it be atheists? Will it be people who don't have good intentions? And those are your babies. 0.96

00:25:51.380 You also can't bear to just leave them there on ice and to pay that freezer fee every month.

00:25:58.160 You also can't bear to destroy them. And so what are you to do?

00:26:04.460 That's difficult. It's very difficult. There are private adoption options where you can ensure that the couple

00:26:10.660 is a Christian, but it's difficult. And I'm just saying, we as Christians got to start thinking about this stuff

00:26:16.660 a lot more. Our Republican leaders aren't. They're not going to. So pastors, can you step up?

00:26:22.660 Can evangelical pastors, can we start talking about this please? Because your congregants are wondering

00:26:28.920 and they don't know. They don't know. Look, these are image bearers of God and therefore they're of

00:26:35.660 utmost importance to us. And we as Christians, we have always been a refuge of clarity and courage for

00:26:41.900 children. We have always put an end to child sacrifice. We have always put an end to marginalizing

00:26:49.320 children. The Christian order is to put the needs and the well-being of the weak before the desires of 0.96

00:26:58.140 the strong and the powerful. And so often reproductive technology reverses that order. 0.99

00:27:04.880 So that is why we as Christians need to care about this and talk about this. Mike Johnson,

00:27:11.080 I'd love for you to come on this show and talk to me about it. Chances are he's never thought about it.

00:27:16.400 Okay, I'm not indicting his character. He's probably just never thought about it.

00:27:22.260 Several other Republicans are all saying the same thing. I'm sure that he is right when he says that

00:27:26.920 most Republicans completely agree with him.

00:27:29.880 So the Washington Post published this article that was about my Instagram post and the response to

00:27:52.080 it. I posted on Instagram 10 slides and it was titled the Alabama ruling and a Christian

00:27:58.680 consideration of IVF. And I went through what the Alabama Supreme Court ruled and how I see IVF from

00:28:07.440 my Christian perspective. And so here's the title of the Washington Post article says red state Christian

00:28:14.600 women are rising up speaking out to defend IVF. The Washington Post pointed to my Instagram feed and

00:28:24.680 the post and then highlighted a few women who commented their dissent under it. So these are 0.68

00:28:32.420 people who follow me. They're probably generally conservative. They are Christian women and they

00:28:38.740 disagree with me about IVF. This reporter reached out to them. I think that she probably went to the

00:28:44.300 comments and then reached out to them on Instagram and said, hey, can I interview you for the Washington

00:28:49.360 Post? This reporter also reached out to me. I did not respond to her because I could tell by the

00:28:56.100 previous writings that she had done that it would probably not be a good faith conversation.

00:29:00.900 And so she reached out to these women, you know, probably asking, do you want to talk about this?

00:29:08.260 And one of the women who was interviewed is named Hannah Nelson. She's a school counselor.

00:29:13.520 And she said, I never thought that IVF was so polarizing. There's mamas who I just truly believe 0.99

00:29:19.680 are meant to be mamas that can't do it without IVF. She said the procedure can be used for God's 1.00

00:29:25.580 glory and that it's best for the government to keep its hands out of it. Her original comment on

00:29:31.740 my Instagram post that was included in this article was, although it may be rare, I think there is an

00:29:36.760 ethical and Christian way to do IVF. I'm curious why you're against that means of creating

00:29:42.600 a family. Her comment went on to get 96 replies. Many of those arguing against IVF say it was

00:29:48.160 because the procedure is not natural. Of course, that's not my take. And this article actually

00:29:54.940 doesn't include any of my arguments. It doesn't include anything that I've said about why I'm against

00:30:01.900 IVF. And I have nothing against this person who commented her dissent, her disagreement. You are

00:30:07.680 totally welcome to do so on my Instagram. My Instagram comments are limited to people who

00:30:13.480 follow me. That's it though. People accuse me of closing down my comments on my Instagram post.

00:30:17.600 That's not true. I just keep them limited to those who follow me. And so I don't have anything against

00:30:22.280 this person commenting, but I will say I included why I am against that means of reproduction in my

00:30:29.260 posts. And of course, I've talked about it many, many times on this podcast. You can search

00:30:34.600 relatable IVF wherever you listen or even on YouTube and those episodes will come up.

00:30:39.440 And I think it's interesting that this article includes some of the not very great arguments

00:30:44.780 against IVF and not my own arguments that I listed on my post. Then there is another woman that's 0.99

00:30:55.200 included in this Washington Post article. A nurse wrote this comment. Her name is Sarah. She wrote this

00:31:04.280 comment on my post. This post is so incredibly insensitive and triggering to patients experiencing

00:31:10.380 fertility issues. With all due respect, you truly have no idea what it is like to be faced to walk this

00:31:17.700 path. As a Christian, I believe the most Christian-like thing one can do is show others love, grace, and

00:31:23.840 sympathy rather than judgment. Look, I do understand. I do. I understand where you are coming from. But

00:31:35.580 again, of course, I disagree with that perspective that it's not about whether or not parents really

00:31:42.440 want to have kids. That's not my biggest concern. My biggest concern is not about the feelings,

00:31:48.780 however valid they may be, of the parents. My biggest concern is the rights of the voiceless

00:31:57.160 children, the rights of voiceless embryos. And again, we understand that when it comes to the

00:32:03.520 abortion conversation, but we don't understand that when it comes to all the ethical issues surrounding

00:32:08.800 IVF. You can say all you want to, that it's insensitive, that it's rude, and that it doesn't take

00:32:14.460 into account your feelings. Yeah, I get that a lot too when it comes to the pro-choice conversation.

00:32:20.900 But at the end of the day, I am most interested in, not exclusively because I care about your

00:32:26.400 feelings too, but I am most interested in the morality here. I am most interested in the well-being

00:32:33.360 and the rights of these embryos. Yes, more than adult desires. However good those desires may be,

00:32:40.740 the desire to have a child is good, but desires do not justify in any means necessary approach

00:32:47.300 to having children. And I understand that a lot of Christians don't like this view. And also,

00:32:57.700 there's no judgment. There's no judgment here. I also find it interesting how many conservative

00:33:02.300 Christians will say that saying something is wrong is judgmental when it comes to something like this, 0.82

00:33:08.780 but they see that as like a silly progressive retort when it comes to anything else.

00:33:17.240 No one is, it's not about you. It's not about you. It's not about how we are trying to make you feel

00:33:25.220 or about how you do feel. Those things may be important. Again, they're not the center of the

00:33:30.000 conversation when we're talking about the rights of the voiceless. Lindsay White, University of Alabama

00:33:37.400 graduate, pro-life Christian, included in this article, says, I just wish there was more compassion

00:33:42.360 on the religious right. You are punishing families trying to create a family. That's crazy to me.

00:33:46.500 It's not about punishing you. It's not about punishing you. It's not about you. It is the same logic of the

00:33:54.880 pro-life conversation. It is about these embryos. Emily Lay, she has a large Instagram following,

00:34:01.420 and she also has spoken out in the past in support of Democrats and Democrat policies, and so she posted

00:34:09.960 in favor of IVF. And you know, like this is going to be what the media does. Of course, this is going

00:34:17.400 to be what the media does. They are going to use this to try to get Christian suburban women to vote 1.00

00:34:22.240 Democrat. And I can't say it's not going to work, unfortunately. I can't say that it's not going to work.

00:34:29.320 I do think that because this is such a personal and emotional issue, that this is going to be

00:34:34.540 difficult. If the left successfully paints the right as anti-IVF, which I'm sure my words will

00:34:42.700 be used to do that, then I do think that there will be a lot of suburban women who say, I can't 1.00

00:34:48.160 vote Republican, which, of course, I think is absolutely wrong. I mean, you've got to remember

00:34:53.180 everything that Democrats stand for. I mean, if it comforts you at all, Republicans aren't on the same

00:34:58.900 page as me. Mike Johnson said it, and you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever Republican

00:35:06.040 representative you have is not coming after IVF, if that makes you feel better. Again, I think it's

00:35:13.760 incongruent to believe in the rights of some embryos and not others. I think it's incongruent for us to

00:35:20.200 say, yeah, we should be the wild, wild west when it comes to reproductive technology. Who cares about the 0.97

00:35:25.440 rights of embryos? No restrictions, no government in place. And then when it comes to abortion,

00:35:30.780 all of a sudden we want the government to care very much about those embryos.

00:35:35.240 But I can only do what I can and give you my perspective on this. These are image bearers of

00:35:42.780 God. They have just as much value as you and I do. And God cares about them very much. And how we treat

00:35:49.580 the most innocent, the most vulnerable among us matters. Again, I think it's very telling that this

00:35:56.340 article doesn't include any of my arguments at all. Doesn't actually include what the Supreme Court

00:36:02.240 really decided and their logic behind it. They don't, media doesn't want you to think about those

00:36:06.360 things. They only want you to hear these stories. They only want you to feel a certain way. They know

00:36:10.200 that they can get women to feel into voting Democrat, which is very sad. One of the paragraphs in this

00:36:19.100 was about the backlash that one of the commenters got on my page. And I thought that how she phrased

00:36:33.020 to this was very purposeful, this author of this article. Like Nelson, the nurse was attacked by

00:36:41.380 commenters on the site who said that neither she nor IVF was Christian. Talking about the commenters

00:36:47.240 under my post, she asked to be identified only by her first name because of that reaction.

00:36:51.780 Stucky, an author who also hosts a biblically-based podcast called Relatable, did not respond to a request

00:36:56.780 for comment. So I just think it's interesting how they put those two things in the same paragraph.

00:37:02.040 Obviously trying to say that it is my fault that there were commenters who were rude or who attacked

00:37:08.620 or trying to say that I endorsed that in some way. I haven't even gone to read the comments at all.

00:37:14.040 Sometimes I'll go back within the first few hours of posting something, I'll respond to some comments.

00:37:18.720 I have not gone back and looked at the comments. There are thousands of comments. I haven't responded

00:37:23.060 to them. I never endorse bullying or harassment or hatefulness or ad hominem, name-calling,

00:37:29.260 any kind of abuse whatsoever, ever, ever, ever. I never endorse that kind of thing. And so,

00:37:37.380 of course, this journalist whose name is Molly Hennessy Fisk is trying to make it seem like

00:37:44.620 somehow I was okay with that or that my silence is complicity in some way. Of course, I don't endorse

00:37:53.120 that kind of thing. But it is also okay for people to disagree. And that is not necessarily

00:37:59.360 any kind of attack. And so, of course, Democrats are jumping on this. Korean Jean-Pierre said that

00:38:07.380 this is Republicans' extreme agenda. Vice President Kamala Harris said extremists are not stopping with

00:38:12.820 Alabama. House Republicans have backed a cruel and outrageous bill that would threaten IVF in all 50

00:38:18.420 states. Let me be clear. President Joe Biden would veto it, but we must remain vigilant. Too much is

00:38:24.020 at stake. Chuck Schumer, the Alabama decision is cruel and enraging. Countless people have children

00:38:29.240 because of IVF. It's not countless people. This definitely can be quantified. But okay. Hillary

00:38:35.220 Clinton, reminder, without Trump's MAGA Supreme Court majority, there is no lower court ruling attacking

00:38:40.580 IVF. So again, this is Trump's fault. It's just so strange. Just a reminder that this case was not

00:38:47.800 waged by IVF opponents. So just all being framed in the wrong way. And this is a good summary of

00:38:56.840 kind of what I've already said. Someone who was, I guess, responding to Michael Knowles on Twitter

00:39:03.020 said this. Unfortunately, it seems to just reinforce the pro-abortionist arguments. That is, these are

00:39:08.180 either just a clump of cells or a baby. And it all depends upon what the mother chooses to call it.

00:39:15.320 And Michael Knowles said, beyond the ethical implications, this is precisely the political

00:39:19.000 hazard of Republicans endorsing IVF. Absolutely right. So I know it's a complicated and very

00:39:26.200 emotional conversation, but it's one that Christians need to be willing to have. And I don't really care 1.00

00:39:31.920 if it's politically popular or not. I'm not a politician. I'm not in politics. I never want to

00:39:38.360 be in politics for this reason. I'm just not cynical enough for that. I actually believe 100%

00:39:45.480 the things that I say. That is the only reason I talk about them. The only reason I talk about them.

00:39:53.220 And this is probably not even popular fully with my audience. And yet, I feel a conviction. I just feel

00:40:01.280 convicted to talk about this and not enough evangelical women think about it. And I think we can do so

00:40:07.020 in love and in compassion, but not just for the parents who want the child, but also for the child

00:40:14.140 himself. All right. Now, we've got a conversation with my dad about what is going on in the political

00:40:23.400 world, because we got to care about it. Elections do have consequences. They absolutely do matter.

00:40:28.700 And at the end of the day, we don't want Joe Biden in the White House, right? So we got to know what's

00:40:33.120 going on in the primaries. Lots of voting going on today. And so, of course, I am bringing my dad

00:40:38.420 in, our resident expert on all of this stuff, to break it down and explain it to us. So without

00:40:43.260 further ado, here's my dad, Ron Simmons. Dad, thanks so much for joining us again.

00:40:51.960 Oh, it's always good to be here.

00:40:53.560 Okay. Let's talk about this SCOTUS ruling. 9-0 in favor of Trump remaining on ballots. When's the last

00:41:00.720 time? Do you know the answer to this? When's the last time the Supreme Court decided anything 9-0?

00:41:05.120 Well, I was looking for Jesus to come yesterday, because I figured that was going to happen if

00:41:09.180 that happened. But actually, technically, they actually do that a lot on a lot of the cases that

00:41:14.720 don't. They wouldn't be cases that we would say matter tremendously. They're more specific cases

00:41:21.260 and what have you. In fact, there was another one earlier last week that they did 9-0 as well

00:41:27.580 about, you know, something totally different. It just didn't make the news. It doesn't make

00:41:31.280 the news because it wasn't politically charged. But in a politically charged one that has partisan

00:41:36.480 implications, almost never. In fact, Senator Cruz has a book out called One Vote Away, which I know

00:41:44.560 you're not necessarily promoting a bunch of books, but it is very interesting because it talks about

00:41:48.920 all the 5-4 decisions that made a big difference, like Bush v. Gore. You remember one of your very first

00:41:56.220 elections that we were all jacked about? That was fun. But yeah, very, very unusual that they did it.

00:42:03.680 Now, the three liberal justices did have to do their own opinion, concurring opinion as to

00:42:10.240 kind of the parts of it that they disagreed with, right? They felt the court went too far because the

00:42:16.800 court was trying to make a statement, Allie, essentially that, look, we don't want to see

00:42:22.160 something like this come up here again. This is for a bunch of states to say whether or not a

00:42:28.840 president can be on the ballot would create chaos like we've never seen before. Because what will

00:42:35.380 happen is if Colorado says, you know, that Trump can't be on the ballot, then Mississippi may say

00:42:40.620 Biden can't be on the ballot. And what they talk about is you end up with just a few states determining

00:42:45.940 the presidency. As a matter of fact, though, one of the interesting things is, is that they do this

00:42:50.840 under the 14th Amendment. Now, the 14th Amendment originated after the Civil War, and its purpose

00:42:57.300 was to obviously assure equal protection under the law and to make sure that, you know, African Americans

00:43:05.080 could vote and all of those types of things. But it also was to make sure that a bunch of former

00:43:12.360 confederates couldn't fill all the state houses. And therefore, state houses, remember, still then

00:43:18.380 elected the Senate, the senator. So that's really what it was for. And when it goes through what

00:43:24.060 states can do, it specifically leaves out federal offices like the president and vice president

00:43:31.860 that's left up to Congress to pass a law, or Congress would have to vote on doing that.

00:43:37.800 So just some background. So the Supreme Court yesterday, as we mentioned, ruled 9-0 in favor

00:43:45.520 of Donald Trump, reversing Colorado's decision to remove Trump from the ballot. Now, why Colorado

00:43:52.780 did this? They argued that Trump was disqualified from public office under the 14th Amendment for

00:43:58.700 causing an insurrection in 2021. Here's what the Supreme Court ruled, or here's the text from part

00:44:05.580 of the ruling. Because the Constitution makes Congress rather than the states responsible

00:44:10.340 for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse. This case raises

00:44:16.380 the question whether the states, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3. We conclude

00:44:21.460 that states may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office, but states have

00:44:25.940 no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially

00:44:32.560 the presidency. Justice Barrett, a concurring opinion. It was very short. She said,

00:44:40.320 the court has settled a politically charged issue in a volatile season of a presidential election,

00:44:45.420 particularly in this circumstance. Writings on the court should turn the national temperature down,

00:44:49.240 not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity.

00:44:53.880 All nine justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take

00:45:02.940 home. So still surprising to me that someone like Sotomayor would agree, at least with the outcome. So

00:45:11.100 I think it sounds like Barrett is saying kind of what you said, that there were some differences in

00:45:15.600 how far the court should go. But at the end of the day, this is about saving democracy or whatever

00:45:21.420 they say. And we agreed that he needs to be on the ballot. Yeah, we agreed that it shouldn't be up

00:45:26.020 to the states to do that. I think that was the simple question. And if you read Section 3 of the

00:45:31.320 14th Amendment, it actually doesn't even mention the presidency that can be done. It mentions the

00:45:36.440 electors for the president. You know how presidents are elected. We don't technically vote for them

00:45:41.320 personally. We vote for electors that will vote for them. Right. Donald J. Trump, he posted on Truth

00:45:49.440 Social. Big win for America! Exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Ben Shapiro said,

00:45:55.720 unanimous decision from SCOTUS that a state can't just declare a candidate for the president

00:46:00.120 ineligible. Duh. But also another win for Trump in a season filled with them. So probably not

00:46:09.840 surprisingly, the left was very angry about this. A lot of them said that this is an attack on our

00:46:18.220 Constitution. So here we have a little montage of them freaking out. SCOT 11.

00:46:24.340 This is actually what I had been concerned about. I had been concerned that it should go to the

00:46:28.460 Supreme Court, they would rule this way. I'd laugh if it weren't so sad.

00:46:33.000 My next guest says Donald Trump is still an oath-breaking insurrectionist. Do you have

00:46:37.040 confidence in the Supreme Court? Do you think this court is partisan? The court itself may have

00:46:41.320 overstepped. The court went way further than it needed to go.

00:46:45.460 Our colleague Melissa Murray has called this Supreme Court the YOLO court.

00:46:49.620 The criticism of the court is that they're playing interference.

00:46:52.480 Not since Bush v. Gore, but we've seen a court that's had this many opportunities to interfere

00:46:57.760 in the election.

00:47:00.280 Okay. David French wrote for the New York Times, the Supreme Court just erased part of the

00:47:06.680 Constitution. Keith Olbermann said the Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members,

00:47:12.320 including Jackson Kagan and Sotomayor, have proven themselves inept at reading comprehension.

00:47:18.660 Let's see. Jenna Griswold said, I am disappointed in the U.S. Supreme Court's decision. This is the

00:47:23.780 Colorado Secretary of State stripping states of the authority to enforce Section 3 of the 14th

00:47:28.740 Amendment for federal candidates. Colorado should be able to bar oath-breaking insurrectionists

00:47:33.820 from our ballot. You know what? When I say to that, President Trump's never even been charged for

00:47:41.300 insurrection. Jack Smith, the guy who's so much after him at the federal level, he purposely didn't

00:47:48.100 put that in his charge. And so how can they say that he was an insurrectionist when he's never even

00:47:55.760 been charged for insurrection? Right. I mean, it's nothing but politics. It's all it is. It's

00:48:01.540 politics. And it's the worst part of politics that all of these people are trying to use the power of

00:48:07.180 their office to shut down whatever the will of the people might be. I have no idea if President

00:48:12.300 Trump's going to be reelected or not. I have no idea. But I know one thing, it shouldn't be left up

00:48:16.820 to the commentators to make that decision or any state official. These are the same people that are

00:48:23.280 always talking about the importance of upholding our democracy, protecting our democracy. Nancy

00:48:28.720 Pelosi, I believe, had a tweet about how the Supreme Court is now on trial to see whether or not they

00:48:36.380 are going to uphold our democracy. So the definition of democracy, it seems to them, means what they

00:48:43.620 decide and not what the people decide, which is not the actual definition of democracy. So I'm a little

00:48:48.360 bit confused. Well, talk about voter suppression. Right. This is the ultimate in voter

00:48:53.240 suppression because they don't want you or I or anyone to be able to have a choice. And they

00:48:59.020 want they so hate this man, Donald Trump, for whatever reason, they probably actually don't

00:49:05.840 hate him as much as they hate his policies and his unwillingness to cow tie to the elite that

00:49:13.760 they're used to have in the cow tie to them. 0.98

00:49:27.500 Okay, let's talk about the election and everything that's going on there. So just give us a rundown.

00:49:34.240 So first of all, big day. If you're in one of 18 different states and you hopefully know who you

00:49:41.060 are, if you haven't voted, get out to vote. And let me explain why that's important. Okay. People

00:49:47.700 might say, well, we know President Trump is probably going to win and President Biden's probably going

00:49:52.900 to win. So why does my vote count? Well, the reason it counts is because your state government has much

00:49:59.660 more effect and your local government on your daily life than the federal government ever will. Did you

00:50:04.620 know how many bills that the federal government actually passed in 2023? How many? 20. 20. And

00:50:11.600 these were mostly, I'm naming the bridge after Allie Stuckey or something, right? Wow. That's a really

00:50:16.760 good bill. Yeah. They didn't even tell me about that. I know. It was my surprise to you today.

00:50:21.420 And then, but like for the state of Texas in 2023, 320 bills. Now, I don't know if they were all good

00:50:29.960 or all bad, but I sure want to know that I had a voice in them. And the only voice that I can really

00:50:36.120 have is when I go to the ballot box. So the down ballot is even much more important than the top of

00:50:42.920 the ticket many times. Now, give you where everybody is though on the delegates. Remember we talked about

00:50:48.080 this last time that in order to get the nomination, you have to have so many delegates by Democrat or

00:50:54.360 Republican. President Trump has 273 delegates as of yesterday, and he needs 1,215. He's likely to pick

00:51:05.400 up today between seven and 800 delegates. Okay. So he'll be what? Just a few hundred delegates short,

00:51:15.000 just a couple hundred delegates short by the end of today. Nikki Haley has 43 delegates. So she's got 0.89

00:51:22.120 much further to go. If she has, I believe that, that Governor Haley is staying in the race, which I'm

00:51:29.420 happy that she is just in case something happens, who knows what can happen, you know, in this crazy

00:51:34.540 environment that we live in today. And then, and then president Biden on the Democrat side, he needs

00:51:39.200 1,968 delegates and he's got 206, but he's probably going to pick up 1,400 today alone.

00:51:46.700 So both of these candidates will be very close by the end of today. I believe if we were doing this

00:51:53.080 tomorrow, I think we could say exactly how many. Now, the next important thing is the next big

00:51:59.120 primary is on March the 12th, and that's Georgia, Hawaii, Mississippi, and Washington. And on those four

00:52:06.460 races, for the Republicans, there's about 130 delegates up. And for the Democrats, there's a

00:52:13.780 couple of hundred. So neither, neither candidate will quite make it. But in my opinion, we'll know

00:52:20.120 the Republican and Democrat candidate for president pending any legal issues or any mental capacity

00:52:29.660 issues. We'll know that by March 19th, when Arizona and Florida do their primary, because they will

00:52:35.680 push, they're going to push over probably President Trump and President Biden.

00:52:39.580 Okay. Nikki Haley did win DC. 0.79

00:52:41.920 Yeah, she got her first W yesterday. And you know, that's, or two days ago.

00:52:45.960 And people are going to make fun of her for that because DC is super liberal. 1.00

00:52:49.440 It was only Republicans that voted in the primary. So she won the Republican primary.

00:52:54.320 Yeah, but they're probably more liberal Republicans. Or so people are saying,

00:52:58.080 here's what Donald Trump had to say. Trump campaign statement on Nikki Haley being crowned

00:53:02.540 queen of the swamp. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny. Tonight's results in Washington,

00:53:08.220 D.C. reaffirmed the object of President Trump's campaign. He will drain the swamp and put America

00:53:12.340 first. While Nikki has been soundly rejected throughout the rest of America, she was just

00:53:16.200 crowned queen of the swamp. Now, why would she be queen of the swamp when she never had an office in 0.72

00:53:21.820 D.C.? Well, because she won D.C. Now, I don't think Donald Trump did a good job of draining the

00:53:26.780 swamp. He could have fired Fauci, Christopher Wray, a lot of people he probably should have

00:53:30.300 fired, to be fair. I just think his nicknames are funny. Well, they are funny. I mean, they're,

00:53:35.180 yeah. That's just part of what people like about him. He's a nickname. He's a nickname kind of guy.

00:53:39.700 Yeah, he is. I still think, I'm sorry. I know we're talking about Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is catching

00:53:45.440 strays. But I keep, I always still think of lying in Ted. I remember all of the nicknames,

00:53:52.100 sleepy Joe Biden. It's just, Crooked Hillary. And what was the one about John Kasich? It was

00:53:58.340 something about the way he ate pizza, wasn't it? Wasn't there a, there was some type of pizza.

00:54:01.820 Who knows?

00:54:02.220 There was a pizza reference, if I remember right. But Crooked Hillary and lying Ted were 1.00

00:54:06.780 hard to, those were.

00:54:08.040 I mean, hard to over, and little Marco, really hard to overcome.

00:54:11.240 Yeah, those are really. And what was Sleepy, Sleepy Jeb?

00:54:14.900 Probably Sleepy Jeb.

00:54:16.080 I think it was Sleepy Jeb, something like that.

00:54:18.020 Yeah. Okay. Let's look at the polls really quickly for Joe Biden. So a Fox News poll showed

00:54:26.380 Trump leading 49 to Biden's 47. Wall Street Journal poll showed Trump leading 47 to 55. CBS News poll

00:54:34.700 has Trump leading Biden 52 to 48. Now I saw Nikki Haley, she posted a poll. I don't have it in front

00:54:41.600 of me showing that she apparently has a better chance of beating Biden than Trump does in the general.

00:54:48.020 I don't know whether or not that's actually true, but Trump is doing okay in the polls right now

00:54:53.340 compared to Joe Biden. So what do you make of that?

00:54:55.960 Well, the thing that worries me about that is that most of those polls are still within the

00:55:01.620 margin of error. And given as low of rating as Biden has in so many areas that they poll,

00:55:08.840 like the economy and the border and what have you, which are much lower than what his voting

00:55:14.740 percentage is, that worries me because Trump should be winning by more than that. And I think that's

00:55:21.440 why Nikki Haley is saying what she's saying is that, look, there are just a 40 some odd percent of

00:55:29.120 the people minimum hate Donald Trump and never going to vote for him. Okay. And so it's a very small

00:55:35.840 margin that could throw the difference. Whereas in her, in her case, she would say that, look,

00:55:42.580 I don't have that many haters out there. Okay. And so I'm going to get, I'm I, the, the, the middle

00:55:51.060 of the road Republicans that will never vote for Donald Trump in a general election will still vote

00:55:56.420 for me. And what she's not saying, but what is true, the conservative Republicans will vote for her

00:56:01.760 as opposed to voting for Joe Biden. What is your take on Nikki Haley, Donald Trump, Mike Johnson,

00:56:11.460 all these Republicans after the Alabama ruling, realizing that it is not popular to mess with IVF

00:56:19.440 and they're all coming out in favor saying, oh no, we got to support IVF. Democrats are calling them

00:56:25.180 out though and saying, but you've been saying this is life and this is a baby since conception.

00:56:31.020 And so Democrats are obviously going to use this to try to get the suburban woman vote. Um, 1.00

00:56:39.620 I mean, what do you think? Do you think that this is going to be enough of an issue to really hurt

00:56:44.880 Republicans in November? Well, November, the thing is, is now that you got seven or eight months to talk

00:56:50.300 about it. Right. I don't think it'd have an effect, you know, obviously on primaries one way or the

00:56:54.720 other, on which one candidate does that. Uh, but I do think they're going to have to figure out what,

00:56:59.080 what all of that means. And we're going to have to all understand it. Cause I do believe there are

00:57:02.440 people that say, Hey, now I think there's a different, you know, I think there's a difference

00:57:06.900 potentially people may, may parse it out between, uh, embryos and frozen eggs. Okay.

00:57:14.140 Well, yeah, that's not the issue. Okay. It's, it's the, it's the fertilizer,

00:57:17.680 it's the embryo. And so I, I think there are some people that will definitely conservatives that

00:57:24.680 would say, Hey, they're just trying to increase their chances to have a baby. Right. That's why 0.89

00:57:29.260 they, I guess that's why they do it. I I'm not a hundred percent. We have some friends that have

00:57:32.500 done that before, but they used all of theirs. So, uh, yeah, that I think it's a, it's a tough spot

00:57:38.180 for them because they have said it's a, if we believe in life at conception, then if you truly believe

00:57:43.820 that's conceived now, of course, the other argument is, is it really conceived if it hasn't been

00:57:48.100 implanted? That's what some people might use that argument. Yeah. If it's not a living human though,

00:57:53.820 what is it? That would be my question. And of course it is a living human being. And remember

00:57:59.600 the Alabama decision said that these embryos that were destroyed had a right to life to be protected.

00:58:08.580 And then the person who did the destroying has to be held liable under the law, under harm to a minor

00:58:15.580 act, which I think is right. And it was the parents of these embryos who sued under that. I think the

00:58:21.140 media is making it seem like. Yeah. Explain that because, because the way I read it, the pair, okay.

00:58:27.000 The parents were the one that were accepted, were upset that they were destroyed. Is that correct?

00:58:31.600 And who decided to destroy them then? It was an accident. Oh, apparently someone who wasn't

00:58:37.720 supposed to be in the fertility clinic accidentally destroyed them and they thawed them. And then all

00:58:43.340 of their, you know, embryos. Yeah. And all of their embryos were destroyed. Well, that was the

00:58:49.080 question. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So I do think those will end up at the Supreme

00:58:52.960 Court, by the way. Yeah. Now I think Supreme Court could punt and say, we already decided this

00:59:00.820 in the Dodd case, right? Because they're saying that the states need to determine that on their

00:59:08.020 own. Yeah. Okay. We'll see. Well, thank you, Dad, so much. Is there anything else you'd like to tell

00:59:12.940 everyone? Nope. Just, you can find me on ronsimmons.com and don't forget to buy my book. It's

00:59:19.180 Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 05, 2024

Ep 962 ｜ Will IVF Sway Suburban Women？｜ Guest： Ron Simmons

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 05, 2024

Ep 962 ｜ Will IVF Sway Suburban Women？ ｜ Guest： Ron Simmons

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Ep 962 ｜ Will IVF Sway Suburban Women？｜ Guest： Ron Simmons