Ep 962 ｜ Will IVF Sway Suburban Women？ ｜ Guest： Ron Simmons
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On today's episode of Relatable, Allie talks about the Supreme Court's ruling in favor of allowing Trump to stay on the ballot, and why the media is mad that people like Allie are talking about it. Plus, a new installment of our new series, Debatable: Catholic vs. Protestant.
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Today is Super Tuesday. We've got our political analysis of everything that is going on. Also,
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the Supreme Court ruled nine to zero that Trump stays on the ballot. Wow. We will talk about what
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that means. Also, Republicans are all coming out in favor of unrestricted IVF. And the Washington
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Post is very mad that people like me are talking about it. Okay, that's all we've got on today's
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coming down the pipeline this year that I'm super, super excited about. All right, let's get into it.
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Let's first give an update. Before we get into the politics of today, of what's happening in the
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voting world and between Trump and Haley and all of that, let's get into what's happening with IVF.
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This is an update from, I believe it was last week or was it a couple of weeks ago? Everything
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just kind of blurs together where we talked about the Alabama Supreme Court case that ruled that
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embryos are children. And therefore, if you destroy them, those embryos actually have a right to life.
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And so you are held liable. You are held accountable under the law. This was an 1872 law,
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the wrongful death of a minor act where the Supreme Court said, yeah, embryos count as a minor. And so
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you got a consequence. You got a legal consequence if you're going to destroy these embryos. Now the
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media, of course, is running with this. They're running with this because they know it looks bad
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on Republicans. And they're trying to say, look, Republicans are coming after IVF. They're against
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in vitro fertilization. And Dobbs, the overturning of Roe was just the beginning. They're trying to
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come after all of your reproductive rights, not just what they would call the reproductive right
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to abortion. But the reality is like, I just want to make sure before we get into what some of the
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Republicans and Democrats are saying, I just want to make sure that this is framed correctly.
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Obviously, the IVF battle that's going on in Alabama right now, first of all, it's not really
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about IVF. That's not what the Supreme Court case was about. It was not deciding whether IVF should be
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illegal or not. And this is not a battle that was waged by IVF opponents. No, this lawsuit was filed by
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the parents of the embryos who were created through IVF in the state of Alabama. And you'll remember
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that someone who was not an authorized person was in this fertility clinic and accidentally or
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purposely, we're not really sure, they destroyed these parents' embryos. And so these parents actually
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sued under this law, the wrongful death of a minor act. So they are not anti-IVF.
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They are not anti-abortion activists. These parents weren't trying to take down the IVF industry
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in the state of Alabama or anywhere. These were pro-IVF parents who had used IVF themselves,
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but who wanted to fight for the right of their children, of their embryos, to not be murdered or
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to have justice after they were destroyed. And so this is being framed entirely incorrectly,
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which is not surprising by the media, that this is like pro-life anti-IVF activists who are trying to
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abolish IVF in the state of Alabama. That's not what happened. These were parents seeking justice on
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behalf of the embryos that they had created through IVF. The Supreme Court did not say, yeah, IVF is illegal.
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The Supreme Court said, well, these embryos are living humans. And since they are living humans,
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there's really no scientific or moral or certainly no biblical reason why they shouldn't have the same
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human rights that other humans have just because they're young, just because they're small, just
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because they're at the earliest date of development. And of course, I agree with them on that. And when
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they talked about IVF in the decision, as we talked about a couple of weeks ago, when we summarized
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their decision, they said, as it pertains to IVF, that's going to have to be something that the
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legislature wrestles with in the state of Alabama. And there are lots of things that can be put in
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place. There are lots of regulations that can be implemented that wouldn't abolish IVF altogether,
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but would protect the rights of embryos from being frozen indefinitely or destroyed. And the case,
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the decision that was handed down by the Alabama Supreme Court cited several other countries that
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have very common sense regulations in place in the European Union, in Australia and New Zealand,
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where you can't do what you can do in the United States, which is the wild, wild west of the
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reproductive industry, where you can just freeze as many embryos as you want to. You can destroy as
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many embryos as you want to. You can implant a ton of embryos. And then if all four of those embryos say
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are, or transfer all of those embryos and say, all four of those embryos actually implant,
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um, and you're pregnant with quadruplets, then you can selectively reduce. That happens very often in
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this country where the baby, uh, two of the babies will actually be aborted because the parents decide
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that they don't want, uh, quadruplets. And so there are all kinds of things that happen in the United
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States that are entirely immoral, entirely unethical because we have so few regulations surrounding IVF.
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And because we do not regard these embryos as what they are, unique human beings, human life,
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other countries around the world do other countries, at least put in some kinds of protections and
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regulations to protect the lives of these embryos. Again, America is really the wild, wild west.
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The Supreme court here in Alabama did not rule on IVF. They just said, we're going to have to have
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more laws in place that recognize that these human beings are in fact human beings and as such are
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entitled to human rights. The most fundamental of which is the right to life. This is the anti-abortion
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argument. So everyone says that you are pro-life. You are pro-life because you believe that life starts
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at conception. Anytime we get into this business of saying, well, sure, life starts at conception
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because what else is an embryo except for a living human? We know that. Um, anytime you get into the
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business of saying, well, even after a human being is created, you might not have value. You might not
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have worth. You might not have rights. You might not have protection. Then it becomes very arbitrary.
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And based on what factor, like, are we giving people the right to life based on the size they
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are based on their location, based on their sentience, based on their stage of development,
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based on their ability to fight back? Then you can see how that's really tricky. You're basically
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saying that a toddler is not as important as a teenager or a teenager shouldn't have a right to
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life in the same way that a 25 year old does. Like you see, when you give a person rights,
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any time after conception, it becomes very slippery, very barbaric, very arbitrary. So that is the
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pro-life argument saying, no, from the time that life is conceived, which scientifically is when that
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egg is fertilized, is when that embryo is created, that is when human rights start. Again, the most
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fundamental of which is the right to life. And because IVF involves so often, not always, but so
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often, the destruction of embryos, the indefinite freezing of embryos, the abandonment of embryos,
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people who are pro-life should rightly say, wait, we have to, we have to care about their
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protection too. These are people too. We can't just say that embryos have a right to life when
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they're inside of the womb, but embryos in a lab don't. Again, then we're just, we've just completely
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imbibed this pro-choice idea that these are just clumps of cells that don't have value, that don't
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have rights because of their location. And so I just, I don't, I don't see it. I don't see the
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ability to be pro-life and to have abortion or the anti-abortion logic that we do as pro-lifers and
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say, yeah, IVF should just keep going as unregulated as it is. Yeah, you should be able to create as many
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freeze, as many transfer, as many embryos as you want because, well, we're pro-baby. No, that's not
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a thoughtful position. I also don't believe that that is a biblical position because we are placing
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the wants of adults over the well-being of these tiny human beings. And again, that is the,
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that is anti-pro-life. However, most people have not thought about this. Most people haven't thought
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about this subject. And I understand that. I do. It's not like I have always been this passionate
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about this. There was a time just a few years ago where I also didn't really know what to think
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about all of this. I also thought of IVF as just, as just a thing that people did to have babies. And
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I love babies. And I want people who want to be parents to be able to have kids. And wow,
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the yearning for a child, especially when that yearning is not fulfilled, when that longing can't
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be met, that is so heartbreaking, unimaginably difficult. And so if IVF allows someone who wants
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to be a parent to have children, isn't that wonderful? Shouldn't I be on board with that?
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But that was before I really started thinking about it. That was before I knew about the IVF
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process. That was before I knew about the ethical quandaries that so many parents are put in when
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they've created so many embryos and they don't know what to do with the leftovers. And I understand
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that's not everyone's story. Maybe you're listening and you're like, well, we transferred
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all of our embryos. We only created three. We transferred all three. Look, I still think that
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there are ethical and moral questions about conceiving outside of the womb and the risk of
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failure of transfer and the burden that that places on the embryo. But of course, I think that
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is the better option. But that is the minority. That is the minority. In the vast majority of cases,
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you're creating more embryos than you actually ever plan to transfer or implant. And so many frozen
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embryos are left over. And these are all people made in the image of God. And when I see that,
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and when I see how the reproductive industry profits off of all of this, and I see the consequences that
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the whole process actually has on female bodies, I have a lot of now fervor for talking about a subject
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that most evangelicals just won't touch. And I just want us to be more thoughtful on it. Even though
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I feel sometimes like I and just a few other people are kind of alone, like in the pro-life
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evangelical world when it comes to talking about this, and certainly on the Republican side.
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And I'm going to read you some of the takes from Republicans over the past few days who have
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realized, ooh, this is unpopular. And because we want to win an election, we're going to make sure
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that we say, yay, IVF is awesome. So I'll read you some of those in just a second.
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All right. So Donald Trump came out in support of IVF several days ago. He said, let's see,
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I don't want to read this whole thing. He said, like the overwhelming majority, this is on Truth
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Social of Americans, including the vast majority of Republicans, conservatives, Christians and pro-life
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Americans. I strongly support the availability of IVF for couples who are trying to have a precious
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baby. Today, I'm calling on the Alabama legislature to act quickly to find an immediate solution to
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preserve the availability of IVF in Alabama. Look, even though I am against IVF and I've done several
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episodes on it, and I could spend this entire episode going into all the reasons why, even though
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I've already articulated some of the reasons why here, go back and listen to those previous episodes
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and you can hear that. But even though I am against all cases of IVF, I would be happy moving in the
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direction of, say, Europe or New Zealand or Australia, where you can't just create all of
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these frozen embryos and then do whatever you want with them. I would be happy moving in the direction
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of protecting those embryos while also maybe allowing the transfer and the freezing of one embryo at a
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time. Italy doesn't even allow you to freeze the embryos. You have to transfer them immediately. Again,
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I would be happy moving in that direction. But maybe this will cause state legislatures to actually
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thoughtfully consider this issue and ensure that there are at least some protections in place for
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these tiny embryos. Nikki Haley, not surprising at all that she is kind of flip-flopped on this. So
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at first, she says embryos are life, but she's also in favor of more IVF clinics. So here's top one.
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I mean, embryos to me are babies. Even those created through IVF. I mean, I had artificial
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insemination. That's how I had my son. So when you look at, you know, one thing is to have to save
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sperm or to save eggs. But when you talk about an embryo, you are talking about, to me, that's a life.
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And so I do see where that's coming from when they talk about that.
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Okay. So I agree with her on that, that embryos are life. Of course, when you have an embryo in your
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womb and you see that you're pregnant, you say that you are having a baby, but we change the
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terminology, it seems like, or the pro-abortion side does, or even some pro-life, pro-IVF advocates
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change the terminology when it comes to embryos or embryos outside of the womb. Now here, Nikki Haley
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is saying that we actually want more IVF clinics.
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Let me make it clear. We want more IVF centers. We want these parents to have these options.
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We want government to allow the conversation to be between the doctor and the parents without
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government getting in the way on the decisions that are made about them and what happens with
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these embryos. So the goal is fix whatever you need to fix to keep government out of it.
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All right. So that's basically the pro-choice talking point when it comes to abortion. And
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it absolutely does apply here. If embryos are human beings, are human babies at the earliest stage of
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development, as Nikki Haley said in that first clip, then why do we want more unregulated,
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unregulated, she's saying unregulated IVF clinics where these embryos are not protected by law?
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They do not have a right to life. They can be abandoned. They can be sold. They can be indefinitely
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frozen. They can be destroyed. They can be fodder or a volleyball in the middle of relationship
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problems between parents. This is what happened. Who is that? Who's that actress that was on
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Modern Family? Sofia Vergara. That was part of what happened there is they had frozen embryos that she
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didn't want to transfer. And then the husband did. I mean, that kind of thing happens all the time.
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That's why I'm saying these embryos have to have rights. They have to be seen as individuals.
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And here Nikki Haley is saying, well, no, these human beings, they should not have a legal right
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to life because she's saying the government shouldn't get in the way. So again, I would
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just ask her, why do you apply that logic when it comes to embryos in a lab? But you say that you're
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pro-life, you say that you're anti-abortion, and so should those embryos inside the womb,
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should they have a right to life? It's very, very confusing. And then Carrie Lake, she says,
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one in six Americans struggle with fertility issues in the Senate. I will advocate for
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increased access to fertility treatment for women struggling to get pregnant. IVF is extremely
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important for helping countless families experience the joy of parenthood. I oppose
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restriction. So again, what we are hearing from Republicans is that there should be actually an
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increase, an increase of frozen embryos, an increase of embryos created and placed on ice
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indefinitely. There should be more of this. There are already millions of frozen embryos
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in America, again, because we are the unregulated wild, wild west, because the reproductive industry
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makes so much money off of this and surrogacy and all of these things. We're already absolutely
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wild and an anomaly in the world when it comes to this stuff. And here you have Republicans,
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pro-life Republicans, who one day will say, yeah, of course, babies have the right to life. Those
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babies need to be protected. I'm 100% pro-life. Oh, but we need more IVF clinics. We oppose restrictions.
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We do not want the government to get involved. So these embryos over here, they do not have a right
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to life. In order to have a right to life, you actually have to have that right recognized by
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law. And they're saying, no, they shouldn't have a legally recognized right to life. There's so much
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hypocrisy and incongruence. And I don't think they're stupid. I don't. I think that they think
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that you're stupid. I think that's what it is. They don't want you to see that hypocrisy.
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They know that saying you're pro-life and pro-IVF no matter what unconditionally is actually
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a pretty popular position among a lot of people, even though it is, as I said, very incongruent.
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They don't want you to see the duplicitousness. Even Mike Johnson, who has said a lot of things that
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I agree with, especially when it comes to Christianity. He said that, yay, he's pro-IVF.
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I believe in the sanctity of every human life. I always have. And because of that, I support
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IVF and its availability. It needs to be readily available. It needs to be something that every
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American supports. And it needs to be handled in an ethical manner. So we'll continue to support
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that. I don't think there's a single person in the Republican conference who disagrees with
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that statement. Yikes. That's because most Republicans haven't thought about anything.
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That's just the case. Most Republicans haven't thought about anything. Most people have not
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thought about anything. No one, it seems, is looking at this from the perspective of this defenseless
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life. And I don't want it to seem like I am condemning all of you who have used IVF. I have a
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And as I've said so many times, one, your pain of not having been able to have children
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naturally is real and deserves compassion and deserves empathy and deserves focus and attention.
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And I am sorry. I can imagine. I can absolutely imagine the heartbreak that it was for you month
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after month. Seeing that negative pregnancy test, hearing from the doctor, you're not going to be able
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to conceive children naturally. IVF is your only available option. I imagine how difficult that was
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to hear. That's not what you wanted to go through. You didn't want to have to go through IVF, but you saw
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that as your only ticket to being able to conceive and bear a child that is biologically yours. So that's
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one. Two, I know that you love your children. You love your children just as much as I do, just as much as
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anyone else does. And three, your children are made in the image of God. They have just as much value as anyone
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else's children. And so all of these things are true. All of these things are true. That does not, none of these
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things, though, justify unfettered access to IVF. None of these things negate the ethical and moral questions that we have
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and should have about the process of freezing and transferring and implanting and dissecting embryos.
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There's still a eugenics process when it comes to testing these embryos. There is still the issue of the
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failure rate of transfers. There is still the entire moral and biblical issue of taking conception
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away from the sexual act. Again, this is something that evangelicals don't talk about a lot, but it has
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to be talked about. What do we always say about technology? When it takes us from what is natural to what
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is possible, we are obligated, especially as Christians, to ask, is this moral? Natural to
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possible, but is this moral? A lot of times it is, but sometimes it's not. Just because something is
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possible does not mean that it is moral. And I've talked to many of you who went through IVF and you
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are dealing with this moral quandary now where you've got babies left on ice and you are not able to have
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those children yourself. You've got health restrictions, whatever. And you can't bear to put those embryos
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on ice up for adoption because you have no control over who adopts those babies. Will it be two men?
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Will it be atheists? Will it be people who don't have good intentions? And those are your babies.
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You also can't bear to just leave them there on ice and to pay that freezer fee every month.
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You also can't bear to destroy them. And so what are you to do?
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That's difficult. It's very difficult. There are private adoption options where you can ensure that the couple
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is a Christian, but it's difficult. And I'm just saying, we as Christians got to start thinking about this stuff
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a lot more. Our Republican leaders aren't. They're not going to. So pastors, can you step up?
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Can evangelical pastors, can we start talking about this please? Because your congregants are wondering
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and they don't know. They don't know. Look, these are image bearers of God and therefore they're of
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utmost importance to us. And we as Christians, we have always been a refuge of clarity and courage for
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children. We have always put an end to child sacrifice. We have always put an end to marginalizing
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children. The Christian order is to put the needs and the well-being of the weak before the desires of
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the strong and the powerful. And so often reproductive technology reverses that order.
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So that is why we as Christians need to care about this and talk about this. Mike Johnson,
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I'd love for you to come on this show and talk to me about it. Chances are he's never thought about it.
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Okay, I'm not indicting his character. He's probably just never thought about it.
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Several other Republicans are all saying the same thing. I'm sure that he is right when he says that
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So the Washington Post published this article that was about my Instagram post and the response to
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it. I posted on Instagram 10 slides and it was titled the Alabama ruling and a Christian
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consideration of IVF. And I went through what the Alabama Supreme Court ruled and how I see IVF from
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my Christian perspective. And so here's the title of the Washington Post article says red state Christian
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women are rising up speaking out to defend IVF. The Washington Post pointed to my Instagram feed and
00:28:24.680
the post and then highlighted a few women who commented their dissent under it. So these are
00:28:32.420
people who follow me. They're probably generally conservative. They are Christian women and they
00:28:38.740
disagree with me about IVF. This reporter reached out to them. I think that she probably went to the
00:28:44.300
comments and then reached out to them on Instagram and said, hey, can I interview you for the Washington
00:28:49.360
Post? This reporter also reached out to me. I did not respond to her because I could tell by the
00:28:56.100
previous writings that she had done that it would probably not be a good faith conversation.
00:29:00.900
And so she reached out to these women, you know, probably asking, do you want to talk about this?
00:29:08.260
And one of the women who was interviewed is named Hannah Nelson. She's a school counselor.
00:29:13.520
And she said, I never thought that IVF was so polarizing. There's mamas who I just truly believe
00:29:19.680
are meant to be mamas that can't do it without IVF. She said the procedure can be used for God's
00:29:25.580
glory and that it's best for the government to keep its hands out of it. Her original comment on
00:29:31.740
my Instagram post that was included in this article was, although it may be rare, I think there is an
00:29:36.760
ethical and Christian way to do IVF. I'm curious why you're against that means of creating
00:29:42.600
a family. Her comment went on to get 96 replies. Many of those arguing against IVF say it was
00:29:48.160
because the procedure is not natural. Of course, that's not my take. And this article actually
00:29:54.940
doesn't include any of my arguments. It doesn't include anything that I've said about why I'm against
00:30:01.900
IVF. And I have nothing against this person who commented her dissent, her disagreement. You are
00:30:07.680
totally welcome to do so on my Instagram. My Instagram comments are limited to people who
00:30:13.480
follow me. That's it though. People accuse me of closing down my comments on my Instagram post.
00:30:17.600
That's not true. I just keep them limited to those who follow me. And so I don't have anything against
00:30:22.280
this person commenting, but I will say I included why I am against that means of reproduction in my
00:30:29.260
posts. And of course, I've talked about it many, many times on this podcast. You can search
00:30:34.600
relatable IVF wherever you listen or even on YouTube and those episodes will come up.
00:30:39.440
And I think it's interesting that this article includes some of the not very great arguments
00:30:44.780
against IVF and not my own arguments that I listed on my post. Then there is another woman that's
00:30:55.200
included in this Washington Post article. A nurse wrote this comment. Her name is Sarah. She wrote this
00:31:04.280
comment on my post. This post is so incredibly insensitive and triggering to patients experiencing
00:31:10.380
fertility issues. With all due respect, you truly have no idea what it is like to be faced to walk this
00:31:17.700
path. As a Christian, I believe the most Christian-like thing one can do is show others love, grace, and
00:31:23.840
sympathy rather than judgment. Look, I do understand. I do. I understand where you are coming from. But
00:31:35.580
again, of course, I disagree with that perspective that it's not about whether or not parents really
00:31:42.440
want to have kids. That's not my biggest concern. My biggest concern is not about the feelings,
00:31:48.780
however valid they may be, of the parents. My biggest concern is the rights of the voiceless
00:31:57.160
children, the rights of voiceless embryos. And again, we understand that when it comes to the
00:32:03.520
abortion conversation, but we don't understand that when it comes to all the ethical issues surrounding
00:32:08.800
IVF. You can say all you want to, that it's insensitive, that it's rude, and that it doesn't take
00:32:14.460
into account your feelings. Yeah, I get that a lot too when it comes to the pro-choice conversation.
00:32:20.900
But at the end of the day, I am most interested in, not exclusively because I care about your
00:32:26.400
feelings too, but I am most interested in the morality here. I am most interested in the well-being
00:32:33.360
and the rights of these embryos. Yes, more than adult desires. However good those desires may be,
00:32:40.740
the desire to have a child is good, but desires do not justify in any means necessary approach
00:32:47.300
to having children. And I understand that a lot of Christians don't like this view. And also,
00:32:57.700
there's no judgment. There's no judgment here. I also find it interesting how many conservative
00:33:02.300
Christians will say that saying something is wrong is judgmental when it comes to something like this,
00:33:08.780
but they see that as like a silly progressive retort when it comes to anything else.
00:33:17.240
No one is, it's not about you. It's not about you. It's not about how we are trying to make you feel
00:33:25.220
or about how you do feel. Those things may be important. Again, they're not the center of the
00:33:30.000
conversation when we're talking about the rights of the voiceless. Lindsay White, University of Alabama
00:33:37.400
graduate, pro-life Christian, included in this article, says, I just wish there was more compassion
00:33:42.360
on the religious right. You are punishing families trying to create a family. That's crazy to me.
00:33:46.500
It's not about punishing you. It's not about punishing you. It's not about you. It is the same logic of the
00:33:54.880
pro-life conversation. It is about these embryos. Emily Lay, she has a large Instagram following,
00:34:01.420
and she also has spoken out in the past in support of Democrats and Democrat policies, and so she posted
00:34:09.960
in favor of IVF. And you know, like this is going to be what the media does. Of course, this is going
00:34:17.400
to be what the media does. They are going to use this to try to get Christian suburban women to vote
00:34:22.240
Democrat. And I can't say it's not going to work, unfortunately. I can't say that it's not going to work.
00:34:29.320
I do think that because this is such a personal and emotional issue, that this is going to be
00:34:34.540
difficult. If the left successfully paints the right as anti-IVF, which I'm sure my words will
00:34:42.700
be used to do that, then I do think that there will be a lot of suburban women who say, I can't
00:34:48.160
vote Republican, which, of course, I think is absolutely wrong. I mean, you've got to remember
00:34:53.180
everything that Democrats stand for. I mean, if it comforts you at all, Republicans aren't on the same
00:34:58.900
page as me. Mike Johnson said it, and you can bet your bottom dollar that whatever Republican
00:35:06.040
representative you have is not coming after IVF, if that makes you feel better. Again, I think it's
00:35:13.760
incongruent to believe in the rights of some embryos and not others. I think it's incongruent for us to
00:35:20.200
say, yeah, we should be the wild, wild west when it comes to reproductive technology. Who cares about the
00:35:25.440
rights of embryos? No restrictions, no government in place. And then when it comes to abortion,
00:35:30.780
all of a sudden we want the government to care very much about those embryos.
00:35:35.240
But I can only do what I can and give you my perspective on this. These are image bearers of
00:35:42.780
God. They have just as much value as you and I do. And God cares about them very much. And how we treat
00:35:49.580
the most innocent, the most vulnerable among us matters. Again, I think it's very telling that this
00:35:56.340
article doesn't include any of my arguments at all. Doesn't actually include what the Supreme Court
00:36:02.240
really decided and their logic behind it. They don't, media doesn't want you to think about those
00:36:06.360
things. They only want you to hear these stories. They only want you to feel a certain way. They know
00:36:10.200
that they can get women to feel into voting Democrat, which is very sad. One of the paragraphs in this
00:36:19.100
was about the backlash that one of the commenters got on my page. And I thought that how she phrased
00:36:33.020
to this was very purposeful, this author of this article. Like Nelson, the nurse was attacked by
00:36:41.380
commenters on the site who said that neither she nor IVF was Christian. Talking about the commenters
00:36:47.240
under my post, she asked to be identified only by her first name because of that reaction.
00:36:51.780
Stucky, an author who also hosts a biblically-based podcast called Relatable, did not respond to a request
00:36:56.780
for comment. So I just think it's interesting how they put those two things in the same paragraph.
00:37:02.040
Obviously trying to say that it is my fault that there were commenters who were rude or who attacked
00:37:08.620
or trying to say that I endorsed that in some way. I haven't even gone to read the comments at all.
00:37:14.040
Sometimes I'll go back within the first few hours of posting something, I'll respond to some comments.
00:37:18.720
I have not gone back and looked at the comments. There are thousands of comments. I haven't responded
00:37:23.060
to them. I never endorse bullying or harassment or hatefulness or ad hominem, name-calling,
00:37:29.260
any kind of abuse whatsoever, ever, ever, ever. I never endorse that kind of thing. And so,
00:37:37.380
of course, this journalist whose name is Molly Hennessy Fisk is trying to make it seem like
00:37:44.620
somehow I was okay with that or that my silence is complicity in some way. Of course, I don't endorse
00:37:53.120
that kind of thing. But it is also okay for people to disagree. And that is not necessarily
00:37:59.360
any kind of attack. And so, of course, Democrats are jumping on this. Korean Jean-Pierre said that
00:38:07.380
this is Republicans' extreme agenda. Vice President Kamala Harris said extremists are not stopping with
00:38:12.820
Alabama. House Republicans have backed a cruel and outrageous bill that would threaten IVF in all 50
00:38:18.420
states. Let me be clear. President Joe Biden would veto it, but we must remain vigilant. Too much is
00:38:24.020
at stake. Chuck Schumer, the Alabama decision is cruel and enraging. Countless people have children
00:38:29.240
because of IVF. It's not countless people. This definitely can be quantified. But okay. Hillary
00:38:35.220
Clinton, reminder, without Trump's MAGA Supreme Court majority, there is no lower court ruling attacking
00:38:40.580
IVF. So again, this is Trump's fault. It's just so strange. Just a reminder that this case was not
00:38:47.800
waged by IVF opponents. So just all being framed in the wrong way. And this is a good summary of
00:38:56.840
kind of what I've already said. Someone who was, I guess, responding to Michael Knowles on Twitter
00:39:03.020
said this. Unfortunately, it seems to just reinforce the pro-abortionist arguments. That is, these are
00:39:08.180
either just a clump of cells or a baby. And it all depends upon what the mother chooses to call it.
00:39:15.320
And Michael Knowles said, beyond the ethical implications, this is precisely the political
00:39:19.000
hazard of Republicans endorsing IVF. Absolutely right. So I know it's a complicated and very
00:39:26.200
emotional conversation, but it's one that Christians need to be willing to have. And I don't really care
00:39:31.920
if it's politically popular or not. I'm not a politician. I'm not in politics. I never want to
00:39:38.360
be in politics for this reason. I'm just not cynical enough for that. I actually believe 100%
00:39:45.480
the things that I say. That is the only reason I talk about them. The only reason I talk about them.
00:39:53.220
And this is probably not even popular fully with my audience. And yet, I feel a conviction. I just feel
00:40:01.280
convicted to talk about this and not enough evangelical women think about it. And I think we can do so
00:40:07.020
in love and in compassion, but not just for the parents who want the child, but also for the child
00:40:14.140
himself. All right. Now, we've got a conversation with my dad about what is going on in the political
00:40:23.400
world, because we got to care about it. Elections do have consequences. They absolutely do matter.
00:40:28.700
And at the end of the day, we don't want Joe Biden in the White House, right? So we got to know what's
00:40:33.120
going on in the primaries. Lots of voting going on today. And so, of course, I am bringing my dad
00:40:38.420
in, our resident expert on all of this stuff, to break it down and explain it to us. So without
00:40:43.260
further ado, here's my dad, Ron Simmons. Dad, thanks so much for joining us again.
00:40:53.560
Okay. Let's talk about this SCOTUS ruling. 9-0 in favor of Trump remaining on ballots. When's the last
00:41:00.720
time? Do you know the answer to this? When's the last time the Supreme Court decided anything 9-0?
00:41:05.120
Well, I was looking for Jesus to come yesterday, because I figured that was going to happen if
00:41:09.180
that happened. But actually, technically, they actually do that a lot on a lot of the cases that
00:41:14.720
don't. They wouldn't be cases that we would say matter tremendously. They're more specific cases
00:41:21.260
and what have you. In fact, there was another one earlier last week that they did 9-0 as well
00:41:27.580
about, you know, something totally different. It just didn't make the news. It doesn't make
00:41:31.280
the news because it wasn't politically charged. But in a politically charged one that has partisan
00:41:36.480
implications, almost never. In fact, Senator Cruz has a book out called One Vote Away, which I know
00:41:44.560
you're not necessarily promoting a bunch of books, but it is very interesting because it talks about
00:41:48.920
all the 5-4 decisions that made a big difference, like Bush v. Gore. You remember one of your very first
00:41:56.220
elections that we were all jacked about? That was fun. But yeah, very, very unusual that they did it.
00:42:03.680
Now, the three liberal justices did have to do their own opinion, concurring opinion as to
00:42:10.240
kind of the parts of it that they disagreed with, right? They felt the court went too far because the
00:42:16.800
court was trying to make a statement, Allie, essentially that, look, we don't want to see
00:42:22.160
something like this come up here again. This is for a bunch of states to say whether or not a
00:42:28.840
president can be on the ballot would create chaos like we've never seen before. Because what will
00:42:35.380
happen is if Colorado says, you know, that Trump can't be on the ballot, then Mississippi may say
00:42:40.620
Biden can't be on the ballot. And what they talk about is you end up with just a few states determining
00:42:45.940
the presidency. As a matter of fact, though, one of the interesting things is, is that they do this
00:42:50.840
under the 14th Amendment. Now, the 14th Amendment originated after the Civil War, and its purpose
00:42:57.300
was to obviously assure equal protection under the law and to make sure that, you know, African Americans
00:43:05.080
could vote and all of those types of things. But it also was to make sure that a bunch of former
00:43:12.360
confederates couldn't fill all the state houses. And therefore, state houses, remember, still then
00:43:18.380
elected the Senate, the senator. So that's really what it was for. And when it goes through what
00:43:24.060
states can do, it specifically leaves out federal offices like the president and vice president
00:43:31.860
that's left up to Congress to pass a law, or Congress would have to vote on doing that.
00:43:37.800
So just some background. So the Supreme Court yesterday, as we mentioned, ruled 9-0 in favor
00:43:45.520
of Donald Trump, reversing Colorado's decision to remove Trump from the ballot. Now, why Colorado
00:43:52.780
did this? They argued that Trump was disqualified from public office under the 14th Amendment for
00:43:58.700
causing an insurrection in 2021. Here's what the Supreme Court ruled, or here's the text from part
00:44:05.580
of the ruling. Because the Constitution makes Congress rather than the states responsible
00:44:10.340
for enforcing Section 3 against federal officeholders and candidates, we reverse. This case raises
00:44:16.380
the question whether the states, in addition to Congress, may also enforce Section 3. We conclude
00:44:21.460
that states may disqualify persons holding or attempting to hold state office, but states have
00:44:25.940
no power under the Constitution to enforce Section 3 with respect to federal offices, especially
00:44:32.560
the presidency. Justice Barrett, a concurring opinion. It was very short. She said,
00:44:40.320
the court has settled a politically charged issue in a volatile season of a presidential election,
00:44:45.420
particularly in this circumstance. Writings on the court should turn the national temperature down,
00:44:49.240
not up. For present purposes, our differences are far less important than our unanimity.
00:44:53.880
All nine justices agree on the outcome of this case. That is the message Americans should take
00:45:02.940
home. So still surprising to me that someone like Sotomayor would agree, at least with the outcome. So
00:45:11.100
I think it sounds like Barrett is saying kind of what you said, that there were some differences in
00:45:15.600
how far the court should go. But at the end of the day, this is about saving democracy or whatever
00:45:21.420
they say. And we agreed that he needs to be on the ballot. Yeah, we agreed that it shouldn't be up
00:45:26.020
to the states to do that. I think that was the simple question. And if you read Section 3 of the
00:45:31.320
14th Amendment, it actually doesn't even mention the presidency that can be done. It mentions the
00:45:36.440
electors for the president. You know how presidents are elected. We don't technically vote for them
00:45:41.320
personally. We vote for electors that will vote for them. Right. Donald J. Trump, he posted on Truth
00:45:49.440
Social. Big win for America! Exclamation, exclamation, exclamation. Ben Shapiro said,
00:45:55.720
unanimous decision from SCOTUS that a state can't just declare a candidate for the president
00:46:00.120
ineligible. Duh. But also another win for Trump in a season filled with them. So probably not
00:46:09.840
surprisingly, the left was very angry about this. A lot of them said that this is an attack on our
00:46:18.220
Constitution. So here we have a little montage of them freaking out. SCOT 11.
00:46:24.340
This is actually what I had been concerned about. I had been concerned that it should go to the
00:46:28.460
Supreme Court, they would rule this way. I'd laugh if it weren't so sad.
00:46:33.000
My next guest says Donald Trump is still an oath-breaking insurrectionist. Do you have
00:46:37.040
confidence in the Supreme Court? Do you think this court is partisan? The court itself may have
00:46:41.320
overstepped. The court went way further than it needed to go.
00:46:45.460
Our colleague Melissa Murray has called this Supreme Court the YOLO court.
00:46:49.620
The criticism of the court is that they're playing interference.
00:46:52.480
Not since Bush v. Gore, but we've seen a court that's had this many opportunities to interfere
00:47:00.280
Okay. David French wrote for the New York Times, the Supreme Court just erased part of the
00:47:06.680
Constitution. Keith Olbermann said the Supreme Court has betrayed democracy. Its members,
00:47:12.320
including Jackson Kagan and Sotomayor, have proven themselves inept at reading comprehension.
00:47:18.660
Let's see. Jenna Griswold said, I am disappointed in the U.S. Supreme Court's decision. This is the
00:47:23.780
Colorado Secretary of State stripping states of the authority to enforce Section 3 of the 14th
00:47:28.740
Amendment for federal candidates. Colorado should be able to bar oath-breaking insurrectionists
00:47:33.820
from our ballot. You know what? When I say to that, President Trump's never even been charged for
00:47:41.300
insurrection. Jack Smith, the guy who's so much after him at the federal level, he purposely didn't
00:47:48.100
put that in his charge. And so how can they say that he was an insurrectionist when he's never even
00:47:55.760
been charged for insurrection? Right. I mean, it's nothing but politics. It's all it is. It's
00:48:01.540
politics. And it's the worst part of politics that all of these people are trying to use the power of
00:48:07.180
their office to shut down whatever the will of the people might be. I have no idea if President
00:48:12.300
Trump's going to be reelected or not. I have no idea. But I know one thing, it shouldn't be left up
00:48:16.820
to the commentators to make that decision or any state official. These are the same people that are
00:48:23.280
always talking about the importance of upholding our democracy, protecting our democracy. Nancy
00:48:28.720
Pelosi, I believe, had a tweet about how the Supreme Court is now on trial to see whether or not they
00:48:36.380
are going to uphold our democracy. So the definition of democracy, it seems to them, means what they
00:48:43.620
decide and not what the people decide, which is not the actual definition of democracy. So I'm a little
00:48:48.360
bit confused. Well, talk about voter suppression. Right. This is the ultimate in voter
00:48:53.240
suppression because they don't want you or I or anyone to be able to have a choice. And they
00:48:59.020
want they so hate this man, Donald Trump, for whatever reason, they probably actually don't
00:49:05.840
hate him as much as they hate his policies and his unwillingness to cow tie to the elite that
00:49:27.500
Okay, let's talk about the election and everything that's going on there. So just give us a rundown.
00:49:34.240
So first of all, big day. If you're in one of 18 different states and you hopefully know who you
00:49:41.060
are, if you haven't voted, get out to vote. And let me explain why that's important. Okay. People
00:49:47.700
might say, well, we know President Trump is probably going to win and President Biden's probably going
00:49:52.900
to win. So why does my vote count? Well, the reason it counts is because your state government has much
00:49:59.660
more effect and your local government on your daily life than the federal government ever will. Did you
00:50:04.620
know how many bills that the federal government actually passed in 2023? How many? 20. 20. And
00:50:11.600
these were mostly, I'm naming the bridge after Allie Stuckey or something, right? Wow. That's a really
00:50:16.760
good bill. Yeah. They didn't even tell me about that. I know. It was my surprise to you today.
00:50:21.420
And then, but like for the state of Texas in 2023, 320 bills. Now, I don't know if they were all good
00:50:29.960
or all bad, but I sure want to know that I had a voice in them. And the only voice that I can really
00:50:36.120
have is when I go to the ballot box. So the down ballot is even much more important than the top of
00:50:42.920
the ticket many times. Now, give you where everybody is though on the delegates. Remember we talked about
00:50:48.080
this last time that in order to get the nomination, you have to have so many delegates by Democrat or
00:50:54.360
Republican. President Trump has 273 delegates as of yesterday, and he needs 1,215. He's likely to pick
00:51:05.400
up today between seven and 800 delegates. Okay. So he'll be what? Just a few hundred delegates short,
00:51:15.000
just a couple hundred delegates short by the end of today. Nikki Haley has 43 delegates. So she's got
00:51:22.120
much further to go. If she has, I believe that, that Governor Haley is staying in the race, which I'm
00:51:29.420
happy that she is just in case something happens, who knows what can happen, you know, in this crazy
00:51:34.540
environment that we live in today. And then, and then president Biden on the Democrat side, he needs
00:51:39.200
1,968 delegates and he's got 206, but he's probably going to pick up 1,400 today alone.
00:51:46.700
So both of these candidates will be very close by the end of today. I believe if we were doing this
00:51:53.080
tomorrow, I think we could say exactly how many. Now, the next important thing is the next big
00:51:59.120
primary is on March the 12th, and that's Georgia, Hawaii, Mississippi, and Washington. And on those four
00:52:06.460
races, for the Republicans, there's about 130 delegates up. And for the Democrats, there's a
00:52:13.780
couple of hundred. So neither, neither candidate will quite make it. But in my opinion, we'll know
00:52:20.120
the Republican and Democrat candidate for president pending any legal issues or any mental capacity
00:52:29.660
issues. We'll know that by March 19th, when Arizona and Florida do their primary, because they will
00:52:35.680
push, they're going to push over probably President Trump and President Biden.
00:52:41.920
Yeah, she got her first W yesterday. And you know, that's, or two days ago.
00:52:45.960
And people are going to make fun of her for that because DC is super liberal.
00:52:49.440
It was only Republicans that voted in the primary. So she won the Republican primary.
00:52:54.320
Yeah, but they're probably more liberal Republicans. Or so people are saying,
00:52:58.080
here's what Donald Trump had to say. Trump campaign statement on Nikki Haley being crowned
00:53:02.540
queen of the swamp. It's kind of funny. It's kind of funny. Tonight's results in Washington,
00:53:08.220
D.C. reaffirmed the object of President Trump's campaign. He will drain the swamp and put America
00:53:12.340
first. While Nikki has been soundly rejected throughout the rest of America, she was just
00:53:16.200
crowned queen of the swamp. Now, why would she be queen of the swamp when she never had an office in
00:53:21.820
D.C.? Well, because she won D.C. Now, I don't think Donald Trump did a good job of draining the
00:53:26.780
swamp. He could have fired Fauci, Christopher Wray, a lot of people he probably should have
00:53:30.300
fired, to be fair. I just think his nicknames are funny. Well, they are funny. I mean, they're,
00:53:35.180
yeah. That's just part of what people like about him. He's a nickname. He's a nickname kind of guy.
00:53:39.700
Yeah, he is. I still think, I'm sorry. I know we're talking about Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is catching
00:53:45.440
strays. But I keep, I always still think of lying in Ted. I remember all of the nicknames,
00:53:52.100
sleepy Joe Biden. It's just, Crooked Hillary. And what was the one about John Kasich? It was
00:53:58.340
something about the way he ate pizza, wasn't it? Wasn't there a, there was some type of pizza.
00:54:02.220
There was a pizza reference, if I remember right. But Crooked Hillary and lying Ted were
00:54:08.040
I mean, hard to over, and little Marco, really hard to overcome.
00:54:11.240
Yeah, those are really. And what was Sleepy, Sleepy Jeb?
00:54:16.080
I think it was Sleepy Jeb, something like that.
00:54:18.020
Yeah. Okay. Let's look at the polls really quickly for Joe Biden. So a Fox News poll showed
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Trump leading 49 to Biden's 47. Wall Street Journal poll showed Trump leading 47 to 55. CBS News poll
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has Trump leading Biden 52 to 48. Now I saw Nikki Haley, she posted a poll. I don't have it in front
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of me showing that she apparently has a better chance of beating Biden than Trump does in the general.
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I don't know whether or not that's actually true, but Trump is doing okay in the polls right now
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compared to Joe Biden. So what do you make of that?
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Well, the thing that worries me about that is that most of those polls are still within the
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margin of error. And given as low of rating as Biden has in so many areas that they poll,
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like the economy and the border and what have you, which are much lower than what his voting
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percentage is, that worries me because Trump should be winning by more than that. And I think that's
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why Nikki Haley is saying what she's saying is that, look, there are just a 40 some odd percent of
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the people minimum hate Donald Trump and never going to vote for him. Okay. And so it's a very small
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margin that could throw the difference. Whereas in her, in her case, she would say that, look,
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I don't have that many haters out there. Okay. And so I'm going to get, I'm I, the, the, the middle
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of the road Republicans that will never vote for Donald Trump in a general election will still vote
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for me. And what she's not saying, but what is true, the conservative Republicans will vote for her
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as opposed to voting for Joe Biden. What is your take on Nikki Haley, Donald Trump, Mike Johnson,
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all these Republicans after the Alabama ruling, realizing that it is not popular to mess with IVF
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and they're all coming out in favor saying, oh no, we got to support IVF. Democrats are calling them
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out though and saying, but you've been saying this is life and this is a baby since conception.
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And so Democrats are obviously going to use this to try to get the suburban woman vote. Um,
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I mean, what do you think? Do you think that this is going to be enough of an issue to really hurt
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Republicans in November? Well, November, the thing is, is now that you got seven or eight months to talk
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about it. Right. I don't think it'd have an effect, you know, obviously on primaries one way or the
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other, on which one candidate does that. Uh, but I do think they're going to have to figure out what,
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what all of that means. And we're going to have to all understand it. Cause I do believe there are
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people that say, Hey, now I think there's a different, you know, I think there's a difference
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potentially people may, may parse it out between, uh, embryos and frozen eggs. Okay.
00:57:14.140
Well, yeah, that's not the issue. Okay. It's, it's the, it's the fertilizer,
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it's the embryo. And so I, I think there are some people that will definitely conservatives that
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would say, Hey, they're just trying to increase their chances to have a baby. Right. That's why
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they, I guess that's why they do it. I I'm not a hundred percent. We have some friends that have
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done that before, but they used all of theirs. So, uh, yeah, that I think it's a, it's a tough spot
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for them because they have said it's a, if we believe in life at conception, then if you truly believe
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that's conceived now, of course, the other argument is, is it really conceived if it hasn't been
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implanted? That's what some people might use that argument. Yeah. If it's not a living human though,
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what is it? That would be my question. And of course it is a living human being. And remember
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the Alabama decision said that these embryos that were destroyed had a right to life to be protected.
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And then the person who did the destroying has to be held liable under the law, under harm to a minor
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act, which I think is right. And it was the parents of these embryos who sued under that. I think the
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media is making it seem like. Yeah. Explain that because, because the way I read it, the pair, okay.
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The parents were the one that were accepted, were upset that they were destroyed. Is that correct?
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And who decided to destroy them then? It was an accident. Oh, apparently someone who wasn't
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supposed to be in the fertility clinic accidentally destroyed them and they thawed them. And then all
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of their, you know, embryos. Yeah. And all of their embryos were destroyed. Well, that was the
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question. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. So I do think those will end up at the Supreme
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Court, by the way. Yeah. Now I think Supreme Court could punt and say, we already decided this
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in the Dodd case, right? Because they're saying that the states need to determine that on their
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own. Yeah. Okay. We'll see. Well, thank you, Dad, so much. Is there anything else you'd like to tell
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everyone? Nope. Just, you can find me on ronsimmons.com and don't forget to buy my book. It's
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Life Lessons from the Little Red Wagon. Okay. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you.