Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 966 ｜ Where in the World Is Kate Middleton？

00:00:00.720 Where in the world is Kate Middleton? The internet is going wild with theories and conspiracy theories

00:00:07.820 about where she is. If you have no idea what I'm talking about, or even if you do,

00:00:14.000 you've got to listen to this episode. We unravel all of the different threads and go down all the

00:00:20.820 rabbit holes. Oh my goodness. Okay, buckle up. This episode is brought to you by our friends

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00:00:41.540 Hey guys, welcome to Relatable. Happy Tuesday. Hope everyone is having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:47.880 All right, a lot to get into today. This is a little bit of a different episode.

00:00:51.320 We don't usually talk about the royals. We're not usually getting this far into what some people

00:00:58.120 would refer to as a conspiracy theory. I'll just call it a theory at this point. I've looked enough

00:01:05.240 into this to say, I don't even know if I could call it conspiracy theories. They're very interesting

00:01:11.280 theories about the whereabouts of Princess Kate. Okay, before we get into all of that, Brie and I,

00:01:18.060 we're going to be talking all about all the different angles of this. But before we get into

00:01:23.360 it, I've got a merch announcement that I'm so excited about. Okay, I have been wearing these

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00:02:07.120 You're Not Enough and That's Okay, Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love. And the whole point is

00:02:12.940 you're not enough. You're not sufficient, but Jesus is. This is a trope that we hear a lot,

00:02:19.480 like even in the Christian women world, that you are enough. You can't be too much. You can't be 1.00

00:02:25.180 too little. And while I understand the sentiment, I really do. I've thought about it from all different

00:02:31.220 sides. And it's actually a mantra that I used to repeat. I used to have a little piece of paper on my

00:02:38.160 bulletin board in college that said you are enough. So I get it. I get why it feels like

00:02:43.780 balm for the weary heart or the insecure brain. But at the end of the day, we don't need to comfort

00:02:49.700 ourselves or derive confidence from this idea that we are sufficient, that we're perfect the way that

00:02:58.060 we are, that nothing that we are is off or in too much of a quantity or too little of a quantity.

00:03:06.600 That's not where our comfort or our confidence comes from. The fact of the matter is we are fallen

00:03:12.560 people. And even though we have been made new creations in Christ, if we are Christians, our strength is still

00:03:20.660 derived from Christ. Our power, or His power rather, is made perfect in our weakness every day of our life. We have

00:03:31.220 to rely on Him for our strength, for our satisfaction, for our sufficiency, for our sanctification. In no way are we

00:03:40.600 enough. All of the confidence, all of the assurance that we have comes from Him and what He has done for us on the

00:03:49.640 cross. And that's really good news. It's really good news because how we feel about ourselves, how much

00:03:55.560 we like ourselves or love ourselves, is so dependent upon so many different changing factors. Our mood,

00:04:02.620 how much we slept last night, what we ate for breakfast this morning, what people are saying

00:04:06.140 about us, what they're not saying about us, how much money we make, how successful we feel, a million

00:04:12.080 different things. But God does not change. Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever,

00:04:17.940 Hebrews 13.8. His love for us does not change. And so it is a much more solid place to put our feet.

00:04:28.780 It is a much firmer foundation. It is a much more trustworthy source of happiness and fulfillment.

00:04:36.160 All the things that we are trying and failing to find inside of ourselves can only be found outside of

00:04:42.760 ourselves, namely in our Creator. Because remember, the self can't be both the problem and the solution.

00:04:51.100 So if inside of ourselves we're finding all of this depression, anxiety, this not-enoughness,

00:04:57.460 insufficiency, inadequacy, insecurity, why in the world would we expect to find the solutions to those

00:05:03.740 things in the same place where we're finding all of the problems? So we have to look outside of

00:05:09.180 ourselves, contrary to the popular self-love, self-help, self-empowerment, Brene Brown,

00:05:15.100 Glennon, Doyle advice of the day. We have to look to God because we are not enough, will never be

00:05:21.760 enough. And that is really good, liberating news. The burden of sufficiency is way too heavy for us

00:05:30.060 to carry. So that's what this merch is about. That is what my book is about. But that's what these

00:05:35.460 t-shirts, these crew necks are about. I really, really love them. You're not enough, but Jesus is.

00:05:41.760 And that is really, really good news. All right, let's get into a much lighter topic, perhaps. Maybe

00:05:50.480 you could consider it lighter. I would say, I'll just say that it matters much less than what we just

00:05:57.560 talked about. But I still think it's important because we're talking about a human being. We're

00:06:02.460 talking about Kate Middleton. It really is kind of a mystery, kind of a mystery where she is and what's

00:06:09.900 going on. And I have kind of gone between two different camps in all of this of thinking it

00:06:17.560 doesn't really matter and then thinking it does matter. But also the camps of everyone who has a

00:06:24.500 theory about this is crazy too. Okay, maybe there's something to this. And I just want to speak to the

00:06:30.400 people who are like, why are we talking about this? This is just a distraction. This is just

00:06:38.420 something that they're trying to feed the masses to keep our eyes and attention away from the things

00:06:43.080 that matter. Let me just say, we spend all day, every day on this podcast talking about those things,

00:06:50.260 talking about the big things that we're told constantly you're not supposed to talk about.

00:06:54.700 You're not supposed to ask those questions. You're not supposed to say that. You're not supposed to

00:06:58.160 question that. You're not supposed to push back against that. We talk about those big things that

00:07:02.960 have so much eternal significance, so much worldwide significance, so much significance on

00:07:09.120 the lives of image bears. We talk about that every day. I get it. This is not the most serious story

00:07:14.040 that we're ever going to talk about. And if it's not your cup of tea, I totally, totally get that.

00:07:19.240 You can wait for tomorrow. You can go back and listen to yesterday's episode. You can skip forward to

00:07:23.200 the next subject that we'll be talking about if we even have time to get to it. But for those of you

00:07:28.040 who, like me, have started to hear a little bit about this story, like where in the world is Kate

00:07:34.720 Middleton, and you're a little interested in what's going on, and you want to go down the rabbit hole with

00:07:40.580 us, come along. I'm not a Royals follower. I really don't care about what's going on between,

00:07:49.380 you know, Meghan Markle and Harry and the rest of the Royals. It's just not drama that I really pay

00:07:56.240 that much attention to. But I've heard enough of the background noise to kind of have a general

00:08:01.940 understanding of the family dynamics. I will say, because I'm just, I'm a girl, and what girl didn't

00:08:09.260 look forward to, like the royal wedding. So I do remember Kate Middleton and Prince William's

00:08:16.540 wedding. I don't know, Brie, if you watched that. Do you remember? You would have been in high

00:08:20.760 school. Yeah, I was in high school. I think it was in the middle of the night, though. It was.

00:08:24.220 Yeah, I didn't watch it, but I remember the day. Because your parents probably told you to go to

00:08:28.200 bed, but I was a cool college girl. No rules. And I think my roommate and I did watch. And yeah,

00:08:35.780 I have that kind of seared into my brain. I still think her dress was like one of the most beautiful

00:08:40.560 dresses I've ever seen. Yeah. And then did you watch Meghan Markle's? No, I didn't actually at all.

00:08:46.080 What? What? See, I remember that. That was early, like kind of early in the morning.

00:08:52.920 And my friends came over and we watched it. Like a party, a viewing party? A viewing party. For a

00:08:58.080 wedding? Yeah. So I do remember, but that's about it. And I did watch some of the Netflix series with

00:09:03.820 Meghan and Harry. Okay. Yeah. A lot of controversy there. Are you a royals person? No. You're not?

00:09:10.580 I'm not. You actually used to think I was. Yeah, I can see it. Yeah. There's nothing negative about

00:09:18.500 that. I could just see you liking royal stuff. Yeah. No, not really. Okay. Yeah. Read that wrong.

00:09:25.420 Read that wrong. Okay. But we are interested in this kind of conspiracy. Yeah. Because there's a lot

00:09:31.420 going on here. There's a lot in my research document. I would not be surprised if we don't get into the

00:09:36.380 other topics today because there's just so much. So Brie and I will kind of go back and forth on

00:09:41.240 this and look at all the different angles.

00:09:54.880 Okay. So what on earth are we even talking about here? When I say where in the world is Kate Middleton,

00:10:00.800 what do I mean by that? Some of you haven't been paying attention to this at all. And I just really

00:10:05.940 started paying attention in the past week or so. So Kate Middleton, or Princess Catherine of Wales

00:10:11.040 formerly, has been absent from royal duties for the past couple of months. She has not had any sort of

00:10:16.580 public appearance since December 25th, since Christmas. That was her last public appearance.

00:10:23.500 She had planned abdominal surgery back on January 17th. And they released a statement at the time

00:10:32.340 saying she's going in for planned abdominal surgery. She's going to take several weeks to 0.89

00:10:37.840 recover. They said she'll be in the hospital for 10 to 14 days. That's a long time. We don't know

00:10:42.520 exactly what the surgery was. She's going to be recovering for the next couple months. She's

00:10:47.120 probably not going to make a public appearance until Easter. All right. So they said that back in

00:10:52.740 January, it's not Easter until the end of the month. And so you might think, okay, well, that's it.

00:10:58.080 Why are people even questioning where she is when they already put out a statement in January saying

00:11:04.780 that she wouldn't be out and about until Easter? Why is anyone even wondering? Well, there are a few

00:11:10.300 reasons for that. There are a few reasons why people have been saying, it's kind of weird how we see her

00:11:16.080 in these paparazzi pictures, but she hasn't shown herself publicly. And they also haven't made any

00:11:22.080 additional statements like, is she okay? And then things really, really took a turn over the past

00:11:29.720 few days when from her account or from their account, the Prince and Princess of Wales account,

00:11:37.120 they posted a picture of Kate Middleton with her three adorable children. So I saw the picture.

00:11:43.700 I didn't see anything weird about it. It didn't look, it didn't look off to me at all. It looked like a

00:11:50.000 very cute picture of her and, um, and her three kids. However, internet sleuths were quick to point 0.98

00:11:59.060 out that some things looked a little out of place in the photo. It looked a little strangely edited.

00:12:08.900 They posted some pictures showing, um, that Charlotte's sleeve looked a little bit edited,

00:12:15.700 that the pattern didn't match on one of the boys sweaters and that the windows in the background

00:12:23.480 looked edited. And I saw some of these tweets and I thought, okay, people just need a hobby. Like

00:12:29.600 they just need to go back to work or something. Like you've got too much time on your hands.

00:12:34.300 I didn't think that they really looked edited. I thought, okay, maybe some of the blurs or the

00:12:39.440 mismatched patterns that they're talking about. Maybe it's just that the kids were moving. I mean,

00:12:44.560 that's what happens. If you've ever taken a picture with multiple kids, it's hard to keep them all

00:12:48.840 still. I bet that's what was going on. And there's nothing awry here. However, however, things got weird

00:12:56.660 when press agencies like the Associated Press, Getty, Reuters, and the Press Association issued what is

00:13:05.300 known as a photo kill. And that is an industry term that means that the image needs to be retracted.

00:13:14.340 And instructed all clients to remove the photo from their systems. The AP said in its advisory

00:13:23.180 at closer inspection, it appears that the source has manipulated the image. No replacement photo will

00:13:31.280 be sent. Daily Mail editor and broadcaster Richard Eden wrote that he never thought he would see a kill

00:13:37.360 notice on a photo issued by the palace. PR professionals refer to this as a death blow to

00:13:44.700 any press source. And it does not happen often from the AP. So a lot of people online saying this is

00:13:52.120 really weird to get this kill notice. So the AP, their experts looked at the photo. They said, yeah,

00:13:57.320 this actually does look manipulated. And not just a little bit. They were specific that some editing is

00:14:03.920 okay. But editing that seems to significantly change the photo from its original form is not

00:14:13.560 allowed. And so don't distribute this photo because the AP will release a photo. Then all the other news

00:14:19.220 outlets will take the photo and they'll post it. And so AP released this kill notice saying it's too

00:14:24.800 manipulated. According to our own experts, do not publish it. So this prompted the Princess of Wales

00:14:31.780 to issue an apology on her Instagram stories. Now, this is supposedly from Kate herself. It says,

00:14:40.260 like many amateur photographers, I do occasionally experiment with editing. I wanted to express my

00:14:45.480 apologies for any confusion the family photograph we shared yesterday caused. I hope everyone celebrating

00:14:50.980 had a very happy Mother's Day. It's Mother's Day over there in the UK. And then she signed it C,

00:14:55.980 which is supposed to mean that it was directly from her. All right. So let's back up a little bit.

00:15:04.800 Let us look at the timeline because this all gives us a little more context. I gave you some of the

00:15:11.500 timeline, like an overview of it. But Time Magazine has a detailed timeline and it'll help us understand why

00:15:18.820 people are saying, okay, this image was manipulated because they're saying something is going on here.

00:15:26.720 I'll get into the theories in a second, but they're saying something is going on here. There's a reason

00:15:31.220 why beyond the surgery, she has been so absent. There's a reason why this photo was apparently heavily

00:15:39.060 edited. So we'll get into the details of all of that in a second. Let me go through this timeline

00:15:43.420 that Time Magazine published. So as I said, December 25th, Christmas Day marks Kate's last

00:15:49.640 public appearance. January 17th, Kensington Palace announces that Kate underwent planned

00:15:55.640 abdominal surgery, will be hospitalized for 10 to 14 days. January 18th, Prince William

00:16:01.000 apparently visits Kate at the hospital. January 29th, following a nearly two-week hospital stay,

00:16:07.040 Kensington Palace shares that Kate will return home to Windsor Castle to continue her recovery.

00:16:12.060 She's making good progress. So I think I said earlier they hadn't released any more statements,

00:16:16.320 but they did release that statement. February 29th, a spokesperson releases a statement to news

00:16:21.180 outlets, including Page Six and NBC. And this is kind of in response to some of the conspiracies that

00:16:27.400 had already started circulating that something weird is going on. They said Kensington Palace made it

00:16:32.540 clear in January the timeline to the princess's recovery. They would only be providing significant

00:16:37.440 updates. I think people were wondering why the silence. And they said, you know, there's nothing

00:16:42.640 to update on basically. Then March 4th, Kate is photographed in the passenger seat of a car

00:16:47.460 alongside her mother, Carol Middleton, as the two drive near Windsor Castle, according to images

00:16:53.440 published by TMZ. The photo though is not authorized or released by Kensington Palace, but it marks the first

00:17:01.540 time the Princess of Wales has been seen publicly since December. Of course, there are even conspiracies

00:17:05.880 about whether or not it was really her. No major UK outlet publishes the photo. Royals reporter Emily

00:17:12.000 Andrews claims in a post on X that Kensington Palace exerted huge pressure on the British media not to

00:17:18.420 publish that picture. Interesting. March 5th, the British Army posts and removes its claim that the

00:17:24.680 Princess of Wales will be attending their annual Trooping the Color event on June 8th. June 8th.

00:17:30.880 Interesting. March 10th, in honor of Mother's Day in the UK, Kensington Palace shares the photo of Kate

00:17:38.000 and her children, which the palace says, this is the thing to remember, remember this, the palace says

00:17:45.520 was taken by her husband earlier last week. Okay? By Sunday evening, multiple major news agencies,

00:17:53.680 including AP and Reuters, pulled the image from circulation due to apparent manipulation.

00:17:57.620 While there was no suggestion the image was fake, AP pulled the photograph from circulation

00:18:03.440 because it did not meet its photo standards. AP's editorial standards state the images must be

00:18:11.000 accurate. So the AP did not think that this photo that was recently shared was accurate. Then March 11th,

00:18:17.500 Kate issues her apology, not apology for editing the photo, supposedly editing the photo, but apology for any

00:18:24.700 confusion caused. Hours later, she, supposedly Kate Middleton, I have to say supposedly because a lot of the

00:18:32.740 questions that are being asked is photographed in a car, really you can't tell, her face is turned, leaving

00:18:38.840 Windsor Castle alongside Prince William, though she did not join the Prince of Wales at the annual Commonwealth Day

00:18:45.400 service at Westminster Abbey. Okay, so this is a picture that we see and it's up if you're watching on

00:18:56.000 YouTube of her turned away to the side. Now to me, it looks like her. It looks like Kate Middleton. I would

00:19:04.280 have never a second guessed, but people are showing in this thought three that this is also a manipulated

00:19:13.720 image going on here and that it's been that there's another photo that this is actually from and that this

00:19:24.100 isn't a recent photo of Kate. So here is that theory.

00:19:30.560 Okay, Bree, can you, I know that was silent. So people who are listening to this didn't know. Let me explain like,

00:19:37.360 well, maybe you can explain, Bree. What exactly is that editor doing, trying to show?

00:19:44.340 Yeah, so there's an image from just some random image of Kate that they're claiming they took and

00:19:53.080 sort of edited into this. Yeah, see there, they're sort of fading an old image into this to show it's

00:19:59.380 the same exact position and it looks like she's even wearing the same like hat even. Okay, so what

00:20:05.000 they're saying is that this photo wasn't really taken the other day, as they're saying, but that

00:20:12.720 this is an old photo that they released to try to say, yeah, she's alive and well, she's fine.

00:20:22.020 Yeah, and also people have noted that the bricks don't match, like the top of the car bricks don't

00:20:26.800 match the window bricks. Interesting. Okay, so that's the thing. People are just saying,

00:20:35.600 what is really going on here? If that's really fake, of course, we don't know whether that's a

00:20:42.340 fake photo or not. The sleuthing is interesting though. Let's get into this analysis of the photo

00:20:49.900 that was shared. That really sparked my interest. So there are many, many tweets about this that are

00:20:58.600 looking into this specifically and all the ways that this photo just doesn't look like a normal photo.

00:21:05.620 Now to the untrained eye, which is my eye, it does, but I guess to the trained eye, they were able to

00:21:12.160 zoom in and tell. And so I'll go through one thread. There are many threads out there, but this one has

00:21:16.640 54,000 likes, 8.6 million views. So this seems to be a popular one. A lot of people commenting on it

00:21:22.280 saying, yeah, wow, you're right. So I'll go through this. And this is just better to watch on YouTube,

00:21:27.160 FYI, because you'll be able to see what I'm talking about. So this person, John Mark, he's a photographer.

00:21:32.800 He highlights a few of the issues with this recent photo that is starting, that is getting even more

00:21:38.520 people asking where the heck is Kate Middleton and why are y'all sharing this? So one of the things that

00:21:46.060 people are saying is off is Charlotte's sleeve right there. I guess it's a little bit blurry.

00:21:54.260 There's a part of her sleeve that's missing, which if she had been kind of, if the sweater had been

00:22:01.260 changed in any way in editing or had been like superimposed on her Brie, that could cause that,

00:22:07.460 right? Yeah. You can kind of tell in a closeup that it seems like the hand that's holding her was

00:22:14.280 kind of photoshopped in because it cuts her sleeve off. So yeah, there's like, there is no

00:22:18.700 explanation for that to be real in a photo. Yeah. Unless she was, unless, what if she had been

00:22:25.780 moving though? And that she was trying to, Kate apparently, who we're supposed to believe edits 0.95

00:22:31.800 her own pictures on Adobe. Yeah. Bless her heart. Yeah. Um, she was trying to fix, or what if there

00:22:39.680 was a stain on her sleeve or something? I mean, you don't think? No, it's just, when I look at it,

00:22:47.940 I can't even imagine that she, I can't even imagine what was going through anyone's mind when

00:22:55.020 they edited this. Cause it's very clear to me. Something is missing there. Yeah. Something is

00:22:59.840 missing there. Something's missing there. Okay. They're also noting that the zippers, I can't even

00:23:05.460 see that the zippers on her jacket apparently are not completely lined up. So that looks edited. And

00:23:13.560 I guess, I think they're saying that the jacket was added. Yeah. Right. To the photo. And I'll explain

00:23:19.780 why people think that they were added in just a second. There's so much here, guys. There's so much

00:23:25.200 here. Also the daughter's skirt waist is extended awkwardly. You can see that in that photo. Kate is not

00:23:33.180 wearing her wedding ring, but where would that come from? Like why would that indicate that

00:23:40.380 something is being edited? Well, people are saying if she's not wearing the ring, then it's not really

00:23:45.520 her hand. Oh. That they, that it's just, they put someone's hand there around. Okay. So this picture

00:23:51.360 they're saying is not real at all. They literally are taking the kids from different photos and Kate from

00:23:58.460 different photos, which we'll get into this in a second and putting them together. Yeah. That's a

00:24:03.940 theory. Another theory is that this photo was real, but that someone else was sitting there as Kate.

00:24:09.460 And then they put Kate's face on the person, but that wouldn't explain the hand stuff. Okay. But it

00:24:15.940 could also be that she's just, that they're at home or something and she's not wearing her wedding

00:24:21.360 ring. Sure. Right. I mean, that's normal. Yeah. That could explain that. Okay. So just giving all,

00:24:28.160 all the different explanations. Although I will say for the Royal family, this is a detail that they

00:24:32.780 typically wouldn't. Right. That's true. Um, okay. I don't see it in this thread, but I did notice

00:24:38.460 that the, um, boys, I don't know his name. See, I don't follow the Royals. The second boy.

00:24:46.380 I don't know the youngest, um, the, the design on his sleeve on his like outside arm doesn't match.

00:24:57.980 And we'll put that picture up too. Like it looks like it's mismatched. And I don't think that that's

00:25:04.320 a stitching error. I guess it would just be bad editing. Okay. So people are looking at all of that

00:25:12.040 and they're like, well, there's something, there's something weird here. And I also just to be

00:25:18.240 completely candid, I don't believe Kate's explanation either about experimenting with

00:25:26.200 editing, because I don't know what you would have been trying to do, you know? And people are also

00:25:35.740 pointing out that the windows in the background look weird. Yeah. That's actually one I didn't buy

00:25:41.540 though, because if they're in the UK, those windows could just be like weathered. Yeah. Maybe

00:25:46.660 not Royal buildings. I don't know, but that seemed not as, yeah. I don't know that the photography

00:25:53.480 thing though. I've heard that she actually is quite a skilled photographer actually. Yeah. And that this,

00:25:59.360 that probably wouldn't be how she would edit. She'd probably be a little more skilled than that. 1.00

00:26:03.700 I don't know. And also like, are you really, I mean, maybe you enjoy editing your own photos,

00:26:10.880 but I would definitely hire someone to do that part. Yeah. And you wouldn't, I would think they

00:26:17.140 wouldn't release it. That's the most bizarre part of this thing. Yeah. You would think that you would

00:26:21.340 have a professional editor look over it and say, this is a little weird. But again, maybe they were

00:26:26.900 just thinking that most people are like me. I would have never, ever caught any of those things unless you

00:26:32.380 told me to look for them. Yeah. I would have never caught it. And I, even if I had, I wouldn't have

00:26:37.820 thought it was weird. Okay. So going back to the theory that this is a fake photo that they're

00:26:43.780 putting together because they realize, wow, okay, people are worried about Princess Kate. They're

00:26:48.200 talking about where she is. This doesn't look good. We got to put out this photo and say, here she was

00:26:54.440 just earlier this week. Well, there are some theories as Brie alluded to that this is not

00:27:02.180 really Kate sitting there, or this is not really her picture. Some people are saying that they are,

00:27:09.160 they have taken her face from the Vogue cover that was shot a couple of years ago. And that is what

00:27:16.400 they are using for this picture. So again, if you're watching on YouTube, you can see what I'm talking

00:27:23.040 about, how apparently it is like a pixel match. And I'll play a little video that someone posted of

00:27:34.060 this happening. Now Brie, is that possible? Like she's wearing a hat in that Vogue cover. How would it be

00:27:49.500 possible to edit that? And why would they choose that? Why would they choose a picture of her where she's

00:27:55.540 wearing a hat? And then take the hat off? Yeah, it is weird, because you could pick any picture of her,

00:28:01.140 really, that's like straight on. Yeah, I mean, it's definitely possible. I don't know how to do it in

00:28:07.260 Photoshop. And it also is weird to me that someone who would make these Photoshop mistakes would be able to do

00:28:13.480 something like that. But I don't know. I'm kind of convinced it's a very similar, it's a very similar

00:28:20.400 picture. It is a very similar picture. And I do think that if this is what happened, then they were

00:28:28.720 trying to choose a picture of her from straight on where she's not wearing very much makeup, because

00:28:34.100 this is an at home picture. So that could be more, that could be more difficult to find

00:28:40.500 than other pictures. So I could see why they chose that one. But yeah, that would take a lot of skill

00:28:47.680 to make her hair look just the right way. But apparently they couldn't fix the sleeve on Charlotte's

00:28:54.840 sweater. So that to me kind of goes in the camp of maybe it's not edited. However, maybe this hair was

00:29:01.540 the hair of the person who was actually in the photo. It would match Kate that closely? Maybe. Who would

00:29:07.660 this person be? Maybe it's just like a double they brought in to take the photo? I don't know. 0.69

00:29:13.460 Okay. So a double that has similar body, similar hair. And they put the face on, they put the face

00:29:21.960 from the Vogue cover on her. Okay. Well, maybe. Maybe. See, I thought, oh, let's talk about the caption

00:29:28.440 for a second. So I thought, my first thought was that I had missed something because she looked very

00:29:36.620 thin to me. Now she always looks thin. She's a small person, but she's sitting down. Okay. She looks

00:29:45.420 very thin. And then the caption is, thank you for your kind wishes and continued support over the last

00:29:51.160 two months. So I was like, wow, they must've announced that she's sick or something, or that it

00:29:55.340 was like this planned abdominal surgery was a really big deal and I missed it. And then of course I saw

00:30:00.120 all of the conspiracies surrounding this. Not that her face looks sick, but I thought that the picture

00:30:07.040 of all of her kids standing while she is sitting and her looking so thin, I thought that it was

00:30:12.360 indicating that she was not feeling well. I don't know. So that's not really a theory. That's just

00:30:19.060 the first observation that I had. But I hadn't thought about the body double thing. I will say

00:30:25.620 that. I will say that. Okay. We've got more, more theories about, there's so much more on this

00:30:32.740 particular picture that sleuthers are sleuthing on. All right. So some people are saying that this

00:30:53.700 photo or the different photos where this photo is from are actually from November, December,

00:31:02.740 2023, not last week. And here are some reasons why people say this. They say that it is from an

00:31:12.680 official appearance that was made last year, launching a Christmas baby banks initiative.

00:31:18.400 But the outfit colors appear to have been modified. And so one person on Twitter says the fashion girl,

00:31:25.020 he solved the true date of the Prince William, the Prince William claims, oh, the photo Prince William

00:31:31.740 claims he took last week. It's from December 2023. This person says that she thinks that it's Will's

00:31:38.260 body that has been swapped for Kate's and the children's clothing manipulated to mislead. I'm not

00:31:42.420 really sure about that. But here's a thread. The Mother's Day photo dated March 10th, 2024 was taken

00:31:51.100 December 2023, she says. And then she shows these photos, which we'll put on YouTube that make it seem

00:31:58.060 like everyone was wearing the same thing that day as they wore in the picture. And then Royal Fashion

00:32:05.720 Police, this is an Instagram account that follows this, posted on their Instagram stories making

00:32:10.580 these comparisons, looking at the daughter, December 2023, what she was wearing and what she was wearing

00:32:17.700 in the photo. The same thing with Louis, I think that's the youngest boy's name, comparing their

00:32:26.300 outfits. Apparently it was the same as December 2023. George, a similar sweater, they call it a

00:32:34.060 jumper over there. And so, and then Kate. Here's the thing though. Here's the thing with this theory,

00:32:42.120 Brie, that people are saying, oh, they're using a photo that was taken a long time ago trying to say

00:32:47.180 it was recent and it's from this day. The outfits aren't the same. They're not the same. They don't

00:32:52.100 even look the same. So I don't understand this theory. Well, that's the argument is that they

00:32:57.480 made them not look the same, that they were the same. And then they photoshopped them to look

00:33:04.000 different. But that there's no, I, I, there's no correlation. Like, I don't understand why just

00:33:11.460 because they're wearing something that was kind of similar three months ago. It must be the exact

00:33:19.260 same outfits that they edited. I don't understand what would be the motivation for that. Why not,

00:33:24.520 if you're going to fake something, why not just make the kids line up in a picture?

00:33:29.100 Yeah, no, that's a good point. I mean, are the kids gone?

00:33:32.920 That's a really good point. That's a really good point. But I guess people's argument is that

00:33:36.980 they didn't even bother taking a new picture. They just used an old one from that day, I guess,

00:33:42.900 supposedly, and edited that rather than maybe getting like a body double or something to play

00:33:50.460 Kate in a photo, in a fake photo, which would be weird for kids to do also. So that's like their

00:33:58.800 theory is that this was just a photo that was already taken. And they just edited it to make

00:34:03.820 it look like it was taken when they said it was.

00:34:06.300 Now, I can appreciate that theory that this was an earlier, that this picture was taken a while ago

00:34:13.560 and not recently, and they just put it out for PR. It wasn't that long ago that the DeSantis's were

00:34:19.740 also called out for that, which I think is a silly thing to call someone out for. They put out a family

00:34:25.080 photo, I don't know, sometime last year. And people were like, this is actually from last summer. Y'all are

00:34:33.360 wearing all the same outfits that you wore in this family picture. And it was but they never they

00:34:38.180 didn't say that it was from that day. But I still think like, I don't know, that happens a lot. So I

00:34:44.120 wouldn't think it was that weird if they did that. I will give this theory that it's actually from this

00:34:50.560 particular day, when the kids are wearing something entirely different than what is in this picture.

00:34:56.660 I will give this theory an F. Oh, yes, I'm sorry. Like that doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't

00:35:02.980 it's not even interesting to me because they're wearing something totally different. So because

00:35:07.200 they're kind of wearing the same color palette, it must be from a day in December. It might be from

00:35:14.240 a day in December, but they did not prove it. That's what I'll say. Now, I will say that Kate's

00:35:20.480 sweater in the wrong color is kind of interesting. And this is what I'm talking about. I like like some

00:35:25.320 additional steps here, some additional pieces of evidence. That's what makes it interesting. So

00:35:30.400 someone on X said, person named Maggie, female internet investigators uncovering the Kate Middleton

00:35:36.940 picture was actually taken in late 2023 based on the match ribbing on Kate Middleton sweater,

00:35:42.080 which is only sold in two colors, white and cream. And therefore, Kate's black sweater was

00:35:47.240 photoshopped. Now, I have no idea how you figure that out. But we do have a sought one that is

00:35:55.280 apparently showing this. Look at these boots and look at the pants. This is the exact sweater.

00:36:02.180 It's from a company called Rice, I believe. And look at that neckline and look at this part right

00:36:07.020 here. I've upped the exposure quite a lot so that you can see the ribbing better. But look how it

00:36:12.100 lands on her like thigh area, the thickness of that belt of the ribbing. And then look at the 0.89

00:36:16.780 turtleneck. Yes, I know a lot of turtlenecks look the same. But I do believe that this was

00:36:20.660 photoshopped to be darker. And it was just that cream sweater because they don't make it another color.

00:36:25.280 They make it in cream and in camel. Now, let's look at the boots that she's wearing in this 1.00

00:36:28.660 new photo. It's the same exact boots as this baby bank visit that she did with her kids.

00:36:34.480 Okay, so we're back to the baby bank theory. Yes, I know. Maybe in like a wild turn of events,

00:36:41.100 she wore the same shoes twice. Or maybe like there are multiple. You know what I bet I could do right

00:36:48.240 now. Let's see. Navy cowl neck sweater ribbed. Let's see. I bet I could find something. Oh,

00:36:56.880 look, I found quite a few. There's no way that this TikTok sleuth has figured out that there is

00:37:06.900 zero navy or black. I don't know that there is zero black cowl neck ribbed sweaters out there.

00:37:13.320 And so it's not a possibility at all that she could have been wearing a real one.

00:37:18.280 Yeah, I know. It's quite a stretch. I will say I think the closest they get is what Charlotte,

00:37:24.560 the little girl, is wearing. But I'm pretty sure that might just be like her wearing that sweater

00:37:30.920 again. I don't know. Maybe they're not allowed to do that. I don't know.

00:37:34.540 But I don't even think it looks like the exact same sweater. She's not wearing the same skirt.

00:37:41.060 I don't know. See, I appreciate the effort, I guess. But I feel like anyone will believe anything

00:37:49.760 if it's like if someone makes it seem true enough or crazy enough. I don't know. You seem to be,

00:37:59.480 you seem to think that it was from that day, a picture from that public appearance.

00:38:06.080 Yeah, I think there's a case for it. But I think what's more likely is that this was,

00:38:14.360 well, I don't know. It's hard because I don't think they wear the same things very often.

00:38:19.100 So it's weird that they're all wearing very, very similar outfits, I guess, at the same time.

00:38:23.920 But I don't know. I don't know. It's just so bizarre.

00:38:29.680 It's very bizarre. Okay, let's see some more commentary. See, I think that this is also a

00:38:37.360 good point, though, more in the favor of what's really going on. There are multiple headlines

00:38:43.320 from UK news outlets, Mirror, saying Royals must release unedited Kate Middleton photo as

00:38:49.840 integrity of future king and queen at stake. And then also Mirror, Kate Middleton's Mother's Day

00:38:58.060 pic plunges Royals into crisis. Daily Mail, crisis talks, the mea culpa and troubling unanswered

00:39:04.480 questions. How Kate's Mother's Day photo became a PR nightmare. CNN, Kate's photo should have

00:39:09.680 quelled the rumors. Editing it has done exactly the opposite. Kate Middleton was also trending all day

00:39:15.520 on X. I saw Piers Morgan say this, like they need to release the unedited photo, which I agree.

00:39:24.980 Don't you think that that would just quell everything? Just release the picture.

00:39:30.240 If you really just dabbled in Adobe and you accidentally blurred your daughter's sleep,

00:39:36.840 show us.

00:39:37.960 Yeah.

00:39:38.060 I mean, you don't have to. It's your picture. But here's what Jessica Krause, House and Habit,

00:39:45.780 said. She's followed the Royals for a long time. She said, nothing is quite adding up. I don't

00:39:52.800 believe Kate, who is a skilled and seemingly passionate photographer, would arrange such a

00:39:58.340 sloppy Photoshop edit. They have a million beautiful family photos. Why choose this as image? Why choose

00:40:05.920 this as image to help squash speculation? I also don't believe she wrote that caption,

00:40:12.100 apologizing for it. Okay. Interesting. Let's see. There was, oh, digital editor for Huck Magazine,

00:40:24.040 Ben Smoke. He said, no, he was commenting on this picture. No rings. Kids all have their fingers

00:40:29.760 crossed. Weird blurring on Charlotte's cuffs. Leaves on the trees, despite it being early March.

00:40:36.820 I'm sorry, but they're just asking for us to go full Kate-spiracy at this point. A short video,

00:40:45.800 someone says, a short video of Kate talking would put this entire matter to bed. And the fact they

00:40:51.060 can't produce that is making me think she's either not conscious or she's no longer the princess of

00:40:56.180 Wales, LOL. I mean, that tweet went viral. I don't know about that. Maybe they're just trying 1.00

00:41:01.900 to say, we don't respond to public pressure. We're not going to dignify these conspiracy theories.

00:41:09.420 But they did post that picture in response to speculation.

00:41:14.520 Yeah. And they've also released, I think now, two photos that are like very questionable and not

00:41:20.720 like, you can't tell that it's her. Yeah.

00:41:23.200 Yeah. Well, they would say that they didn't release them.

00:41:26.780 Yes. But that, well, the first one, they, they didn't want anyone to see the one that was

00:41:31.060 supposedly of her in the car. But this last one that they released, I think yesterday of her,

00:41:36.500 like turned to the side that we showed earlier. That one, they're not trying to, that, that one,

00:41:41.520 I think was supposed to be proof of life. And it's not because we can't tell it's her.

00:41:47.080 And she's turned to the side.

00:41:48.460 Yeah. We can't get a picture of her for some reason.

00:41:51.100 And just a reminder, people think that that is from, that's actually either not her or that's

00:41:57.900 from a while ago. So some people are speculating on what really happened here. Less dramatic than

00:42:04.000 saying like, she's not alive or she's not princess of Wales. Some people are saying that she's either

00:42:09.440 gained a lot of weight or she's lost a lot of weight. Heidi Moore, she used to be a writer for 0.92

00:42:14.460 the Wall Street Journal. She shares a wide range of theories. She had the most banal explanation 1.00

00:42:21.240 would be that Kate is alive and well, but just put on a lot of weight for medication or steroids 1.00

00:42:27.060 and her old clothes don't fit and the palace wouldn't allow her to be photographed as anything

00:42:31.260 other than a sylph-like. The second most banal explanation would be that Kate is alive,

00:42:38.000 but not necessarily well. That cancer was discovered in her abdominal area. Gosh, that's

00:42:42.760 awful. And that she had chemo. So all of her hair fell out and they are waiting for it to

00:42:47.360 grow back. The baseline with all the possible explanations, banal or bizarre, is that they

00:42:53.240 hinge on the reality that the palace is being incredibly disrespectful to Kate herself, which

00:42:58.040 is not great. And then she talks about all the different other explanations that maybe she

00:43:04.060 lost a lot of weight, that she has struggled with that in the past, that there could be other

00:43:12.060 sicknesses, other diagnoses that are altering her appearance or her ability to be seen publicly.

00:43:21.600 Some people are speculating that it was plastic surgery that didn't go well. And then there are

00:43:27.720 other theories as well, because unfortunately there has been some reporting about problems with Prince

00:43:38.440 William and Fidelity. This is just a theory that people are throwing out there that is really sad,

00:43:45.000 but I mean, it's interesting in relation to all of this.

00:43:57.720 Okay, Brie, can you tell us a little bit about this mistress theory?

00:44:04.720 Yeah, I'll, with the caveat that I cannot pronounce this person's apparent title because it's so

00:44:11.500 British.

00:44:12.740 Marchioness of

00:44:13.860 Sholmondele.

00:44:16.180 Delhi. Delhi. Delhi.

00:44:18.000 I don't know.

00:44:18.740 It's probably that.

00:44:19.100 I saw tweets that were like, you can't even imagine how this is pronounced. So I'm not,

00:44:23.140 it's hard to even try.

00:44:24.520 Okay.

00:44:25.120 But anyway, she, rumors have been going around since 2019 that she is William's mistress. 0.72

00:44:33.680 Why? Where did that come from?

00:44:36.260 They just, I guess they were just rumors that surfaced then. This was when Kate was pregnant

00:44:41.840 with her third child.

00:44:43.320 That's awful.

00:44:44.080 I know.

00:44:44.860 Um, and they were never addressed publicly or anything until recently. Um, so what's weird

00:44:51.320 about this is recently the independent recently as in yesterday or two days ago, the independent

00:44:57.460 released a profile on this woman. And, um, some are saying that's weird timing that they would

00:45:03.840 release a profile seemingly glorifying this woman when we don't know where Kate is. Um,

00:45:11.920 so I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. So the theory is Kate goes missing AI doctored image

00:45:18.860 drops. This is a tweet. Now his side piece is getting a PR run. There are signs. So I don't know.

00:45:26.720 I don't know. I think that's, you know, it's really awful that that is even something that is

00:45:33.660 apparently a possibility or, uh, being talked about. We're just saying what people are deducing

00:45:40.280 or the conclusions that they're trying to jump to. That is certainly not an endorsement of like

00:45:45.840 any type of rumor, but, um, that's part of the conversation that's going on here. I am honestly

00:45:53.460 like, I have genuine worry about her and genuine concern that she's okay. And what their poor

00:46:01.460 children are probably going through. I mean, I hope it's just fine. I hope that like, yeah,

00:46:06.200 she's just recovering. Maybe it is some kind of like temporary change in appearance because of

00:46:13.140 surgery, or maybe things were just a lot harder than what she thought. I mean, any kind of abdominal

00:46:18.600 surgery, just as someone who's had a C-section before, like, I know it can be really tough and

00:46:24.160 maybe she's just not up to public appearances. And because they care so much about appearances,

00:46:29.380 even if her, if her appearance has just changed just a little bit, they might say no.

00:46:35.740 Yeah. Yeah. I think that the weight gain weight loss theory actually probably holds the most

00:46:42.140 like validity maybe. Yeah. Unfortunately. If she looks sickly. Yeah. Yeah. Or the other way around

00:46:50.180 too. Like, I just, I wonder if she, the, another theory is that she, this is a darker theory, but that

00:46:58.360 she, maybe there was an affair happening or maybe one of them wanted a divorce or something and she 1.00

00:47:04.540 just left and she just doesn't want anything to do with it anymore. And now she's. Yeah. I have

00:47:10.500 seen. Gosh, I really hope that's not true. I know. I know. And there's darker ones too, that she,

00:47:16.320 you know, was committed somewhere. So. Oh gosh. Who's, who knows? But that's the thing is that these

00:47:22.640 kind of rumors fly when there is not clarity. Yeah. And you can say, and theoretically I believe

00:47:29.040 this, that they're entitled to their privacy, that they don't have to share every little update

00:47:35.100 online and that could in some ways make things worse. However, when you are a prince and princess

00:47:41.960 and when you are a figurehead and people are looking to you, you do, I don't know if O is the right word,

00:47:49.900 but it is wise to give some sort of clarity. I think that there would be like a lot of compassion

00:47:57.080 if maybe not, maybe I'm too naive. I mean, the internet is an awful place and I don't understand

00:48:02.980 all of the UK press scene, but if there were just like a little bit more clarity about like, Hey,

00:48:09.880 you know, she's just not, we would love your prayers. She's not doing well right now. This is a

00:48:14.960 harder recovery than we thought. But then at the same time, this could all be a lot more simple.

00:48:21.660 They said, she's not going to make a public appearance until Easter. They could be like,

00:48:25.840 no, we said that we're going to do that. We're not changing it just because all of these freaking,

00:48:31.640 you know, weirdos online and on their podcasts are sharing their conspiracy theories. So just put this

00:48:40.400 photo up from a couple months ago. We'll make some changes to it. Maybe it really was her,

00:48:46.860 but maybe her appearance didn't look as great or whatever. So we'll make some changes to it and

00:48:53.500 we'll release it and people will just have to be okay with it and then we'll move on. And then it

00:48:59.540 ended up blowing up and making the conspiracy theories even worse. Yeah. And maybe she'll just 0.99

00:49:05.360 make her public appearance in Easter, you know? Maybe. I hope she shows up. That's the most simple

00:49:12.620 explanation, I think. Yeah. No, I think they, I think they posted the photo. I think they just

00:49:17.820 shouldn't have posted the photo. If they hadn't posted that, then none of this would have, people

00:49:22.120 would still have speculated, but this wouldn't have happened, obviously. And, um, and I think they

00:49:27.120 just don't know how to fix it right now. Yeah. So. Yep. And I guess they can't release that. That's

00:49:34.660 the thing. That is the thing that catches me though, is that they can't release the unedited

00:49:39.900 photo. Yeah. And I wish they would, but there's a reason why they can't either because they don't

00:49:45.500 like how it looks. It's not a real photo. It's going to be a big edit if they're not willing to

00:49:50.240 release it. Because if it's just Charlotte's sleeve or a changed picture, they'd be like, sure,

00:49:55.940 here, sorry. We messed it up. Right. Don't need to edit past midnight, but it's obviously a bigger

00:50:03.920 edit. And the photo kill thing too is what catches me. Yeah. So that's, that's the only thing. Like

00:50:11.680 I'm more in the camp, I would say, of dismissing all of this and just being like, people just have

00:50:18.380 too much time on their hands and like, you know, this is not healthy and it's probably not kind to be

00:50:24.720 saying all these things. But then I think, but, but, but this picture and the photo kill and the

00:50:32.700 not releasing anything that helps, you know, assuage people's concerns. They're releasing

00:50:39.920 the paparazzi picture that was apparently from a few months ago. And yeah, these aren't just like

00:50:45.740 average people. These are people who have influence and people want to know. And it's just interesting.

00:50:51.020 I'm certainly not trying to like disrespect them in any way, but they are a prince and

00:50:58.760 princess. Yeah. And it's interesting. Yeah. I know. And they honestly, the, the royal palace

00:51:07.200 or whatever, whatever their official name is, they should know based on the tabloids with

00:51:12.940 Harry and Megan, how nasty people can be about this family. Yeah. I don't know. They should

00:51:19.040 have, it's hard for me to have like a ton of sympathy for it, to be honest, but I don't

00:51:23.620 have anything against Kate. So I don't have anything. I hope she's fine. Yeah. I hope that

00:51:28.540 she is okay. We should pray for Kate and their poor, sweet children. Their children are so

00:51:33.960 cute. They're such a British family. They look so British. Just every bit of them. So cute.

00:51:42.940 All right, Brie. So we didn't do our, um, rating the dress and the outfits, which very

00:52:01.780 mixed feelings about those segments and the relatable audience. Some people don't like

00:52:06.240 those segments. A lot of, I got a lot of messages last time saying you love those segments

00:52:09.560 cause they're just fun. Um, did you watch the Oscars? I did. What'd you think? Good

00:52:14.400 overall? Uh, kind of boring. How was Ryan Gosling's performance? Okay. I loved it actually.

00:52:22.300 I thought it was really entertaining. The Oscars performances are always so boring because I

00:52:27.420 never, I never think the music is even that good. His was fun. It was entertaining. It was,

00:52:32.760 I mean, it was like everything a performance should be. He was great. Really? He was great.

00:52:38.460 I saw a lot of people complaining about how the, the only thing at the Oscars that came

00:52:43.160 out of Barbie was a performance by all the men in the Barbie movie, which is true, but it 0.94

00:52:48.260 was good. It was very charming and cute. So I saw some dresses that looked good. I don't

00:52:55.060 know if I saw any like total disasters. Ariana Grande's was pretty bad. Oh, well, she was 0.99

00:53:02.100 wearing a comforter. That's another conspiracy theory or another theory, rabbit hole that

00:53:06.600 people can go down. I know. What in the world? I know. That's not a conspiracy that just happened

00:53:11.260 though. But why? When you become a husband's dealer and a homewrecker, is that what happens

00:53:17.840 to you? I guess so. Yeah. Yeah. The anxiety of all of that. I know. Anything else notable happen?

00:53:24.920 Didn't someone say that he didn't like the directors of a Holocaust movie refute their

00:53:30.720 Jewishness? Yes. I don't know. I think it was a documentary. I'm not familiar with it,

00:53:35.880 but yes, he came up and, and basically said that he refutes like people who refute Jewishness

00:53:43.760 in the Holocaust shouldn't be like conflated with, it was something about current events

00:53:49.720 in Israel and Palestine. Trying to basically like apologize. Yeah. Kind of like, oh, I'm

00:53:54.840 not aligned with Israel just because I'm Jewish. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, there was a lot of Palestine 0.98

00:53:59.840 Israel talk. There was a lot. They were, the celebrities were so bravely wearing red buttons

00:54:04.240 to call for ceasefire. And I'm sure it worked. I bet it worked. Yeah. I heard that Hamas stopped.

00:54:12.640 Yeah. Stopped being terrorists. Because Mark Ruffalo wore a pin. Oh no. See, they told me it

00:54:18.760 was because of Billie Eilish. Oh. It wasn't Mark. They were like, eh, Mark. We all have to do our

00:54:23.360 part. Yeah. They said it was Billie Eilish calling for a permanent ceasefire. That was the equivalent

00:54:30.000 of saying full stop. When you say full stop at the end of something, that's when everyone's like,

00:54:35.880 oh, okay, I will do it. Even Hamas. Yeah. No, I think Hamas was like, okay, girl, gosh,

00:54:42.760 calm down. Fine. All I had to do was say so. And then she went and sang a song from Barbie. 0.89

00:54:47.020 Yeah. They were waiting on Billie to say something. And then when they finally did, they said,

00:54:52.060 call it off. Call it quits. No more. No more. Release the hostages. Yep. Gosh. Very stupid

00:55:00.080 people in Hollywood. But what else is new? All right. That was kind of a different episode for

00:55:05.240 us. I hope that you enjoyed it. I mean, yesterday's episode was kind of scary and like very,

00:55:10.640 very serious. Today's episode, it matters because Kate Middleton is a human and she matters, but

00:55:16.680 it matters less than America turning into Soviet Russia, I think. Right? All right. That's all we got 0.78

00:55:22.900 time for today. We'll be back here tomorrow.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 12, 2024

Ep 966 ｜ Where in the World Is Kate Middleton？

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