Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 969 ｜ Democrats’ Plan to Replace Biden as the Nominee ｜ Guest： Kristan Hawkins

00:00:00.000 Biden might not be the Democratic nominee. There are a few possibilities that we will be

00:00:07.940 unraveling and discussing today. Also, if he is the nominee and it's Trump versus Biden versus

00:00:16.420 RFK, who is actually the most pro-life candidate? That question is not as easy to answer as you

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00:00:44.700 Kristen, thanks so much for taking the time to join us. I'm so glad to have you on finally.

00:00:49.020 Thanks for having me. It's an honor to be on a show that you actually listen to.

00:00:56.400 Well, thank you so much. OK, we've got so much to talk about and cover today, of course,

00:01:01.760 much life slash abortion related. But we had been messaging a few months ago about

00:01:07.780 something that you've said, which is that Biden might not actually be the Democratic nominee.

00:01:14.760 Now, he did just reach the delegate threshold for the 2024 Democratic nomination. But like,

00:01:21.700 what do you think is going on here and what are some possibilities?

00:01:26.920 Yeah, well, I think when you look at, you know, Gavin Newsom's tour of America and the billboards

00:01:34.280 he's sponsoring with scripture verses in the South to promote abortion and telling folks to come to his 0.96

00:01:39.900 state to get a taxpayer funded abortion. It's very clear he's he's no longer just setting his sights on

00:01:46.000 destroying California. It's it's it's more nationwide now. And I mean, it's anyone who tuned

00:01:51.340 into the state of the union with President Biden. I was on the plane. I felt sadly I felt a little bad

00:01:57.600 for the person sitting next to me. But it was very clear that, you know, he he was real amped up for

00:02:02.920 the first 15, 20 minutes and then just slowly he began to fade. And as someone who's, you know, had

00:02:09.180 grandparents who have gone through this phase in life, it's you start to see some signs here of

00:02:16.900 that all isn't well. And I don't think anyone certainly in the millennial or Gen Z generation

00:02:23.520 agrees. Most folks would agree that there's something not right there. And so what we've started

00:02:28.140 really wondering is, what's the play here? What is the Democrats actual plan for winning in November?

00:02:36.840 Most people don't realize this, but the Democratic National Committee has some pretty obscure convention

00:02:42.180 rules about what would happen in the event that the party's nominee for president, vice president would

00:02:48.580 die, suffer from a disability or even resign. I'll read I'll read this quote, the national chairman of the

00:02:57.020 Democratic National Committee shall confer with the Democratic leadership of the United States

00:03:01.740 Congress, and the Democratic Governors Association shall report to the DNC, which is authorized to fill

00:03:09.520 the vacancy or vacancies. It's, it's right there that Joe Biden could secure the nomination, receive the

00:03:18.020 nomination at the convention, and then choose to resign immediately after the convention. And the

00:03:25.000 leadership of the Democratic Party would be able to nominate who's running for president of the United

00:03:29.820 States. Okay, how likely do you think that is just in your own personal assessment?

00:03:36.220 I don't know, I'm more of like a 50 50 type of gal. I'm kind of conservative when it comes to my bets. But

00:03:42.920 I would say it's just knowing what we know from President Biden, all the slip ups we've seen this year,

00:03:50.340 the moves that we've seen Governor Newsom to make. I would say it's, you know, there's certainly angling

00:03:58.280 going on behind the scenes, just no matter what Gavin Newsom says in the media.

00:04:03.180 So you think that that is their play? I don't think it's going to be Michelle Obama. I actually

00:04:08.560 really think she does not want to be in politics. I'm not sure about Kamala Harris. So you think that 0.98

00:04:15.480 their play might be to set up someone like Gavin Newsom, or at least they're testing him out to

00:04:20.560 see how that'll go. Absolutely. I mean, you've got Gavin Newsom, you know, he's coming. I'm in

00:04:26.900 Florida right now. So he's coming to Florida doing events. Why is Gavin Newsom coming to Florida

00:04:31.320 to host events? It doesn't make any sense. Right, especially when DeSantis is not even

00:04:37.260 running anymore. It'd be one thing if you thought, okay, he's just trying to make DeSantis look bad

00:04:41.520 because DeSantis is running for president, but DeSantis isn't even in the race. So why would he

00:04:45.940 be doing that? No, and other names that have come up, you know, you think about the Michigan

00:04:50.680 governor, Gretchen Whitmer. She's like the abortion governor who gleefully deleted out all the funding 1.00

00:04:58.720 for any pregnancy centers and all limits for abortion in her state and has been leading the charge. You

00:05:05.600 have the Illinois governor, J.B. Pritzker, who's using his own fortune to launch a pro-abortion

00:05:13.140 nonprofit to go to war against the red states. So there, I mean, it may not just be Gavin Newsom.

00:05:21.100 There are certainly quite a few abortion ideologues who are, I think, angling for this role.

00:05:27.960 Right. So you guys wrote an article, Students for Life wrote an article a few months ago talking about

00:05:33.240 this, about the four ways that the Democrat Party could replace Biden, which, as you said,

00:05:40.180 just watching him at the State of the Union, it's hard to imagine that they wouldn't want to do that

00:05:44.900 no matter what they say. I know, of course, right now they have to say he's so awesome. He's great.

00:05:49.740 He's so accomplished and so with it. But I think we all know what's going on probably behind closed

00:05:55.600 doors. They are at least talking about what if he doesn't make it? What if he is totally incapacitated?

00:06:02.480 So one option that you guys gave was that he would lose the primary. At this point,

00:06:09.140 we know that he has won the primary. He's got enough delegates. But the second is that at the

00:06:14.440 convention, delegates who ran on a pledge to support the president don't. And you included

00:06:19.900 Fox News' analysis of the DNC rules. Delegates are awarded to candidates during primaries throughout

00:06:25.460 the first half of the year, but they won't elect a candidate for president until they vote during that

00:06:29.240 convention. Under Democrat Party rules, pledged delegates are not required to vote for the

00:06:33.360 candidate they represent, but are told to reflect the sentiments of those who elected them. So an

00:06:39.320 endorsement from Biden would be very influential. So that's a that's a possibility.

00:06:49.140 Yes, it's absolutely a possibility. And, you know, that's that would be fast. It would happen fast.

00:06:54.780 It happened at the convention. They go into the convention. The delegates wouldn't give their

00:06:59.700 vote to President Biden. Something would be maneuvering on the floor. And then you have you

00:07:05.260 come out of the DNC convention this summer with a totally new candidate for president on the Democratic

00:07:10.680 ticket. The Joe Biden resigning after the nomination is also, you know, I think that's that's a pretty big

00:07:18.180 possibility as well. And then you also have the fourth option where President Biden just drops out and vice

00:07:24.620 President Kamala Harris, who, you know, is, you know, the abortion advocate for the Biden administration. 0.97

00:07:32.180 She becomes the candidate president. I think that's probably the less least likely to happen out of those

00:07:37.420 three remaining options, given her unpopularity with the American people, folks on both sides. So I definitely think it's 0.85

00:07:45.480 something with the convention or after the convention where he would resign and the party would get to

00:07:51.300 choose his replacement.

00:07:54.460 Wow. Well, I think one thing that we know is that this is going to be probably the craziest election of

00:08:00.300 our lifetimes. There's just so much that cannot be predicted when you look at Trump's legal troubles.

00:08:06.820 And when you look at Biden's mental troubles, we've got two candidates that are on very shaky ground, just as far as

00:08:15.080 like their ability to run. We can't even think about their ability to lead the country. Like, can you even make it to

00:08:21.100 the election?

00:08:23.640 Yeah, it's you know, it's hard as someone who's out there, you know, with our fifteen hundred students for life groups or

00:08:29.640 recruiting volunteers to go door knocking and and work in elections because, you know, the abortion issue is not a

00:08:37.240 political issue. However, politics is a very important part of one of the areas we play, just like service and

00:08:45.360 support. And it's very difficult because you're having these conversations. And so really, what you'll see pro-lifers

00:08:51.520 talking about, you know, most of the time now really isn't the race for president. It's going to be the U.S.

00:08:58.120 Senate campaigns, because, you know, when you think about all the rulings that have come out and

00:09:03.880 the Democrats very clear goals and pledges they've made to their party base voters, they want to reshape

00:09:13.720 the judiciary. They want to stack the Supreme Court. And so when you think about who is the entity, who are

00:09:19.920 the people that will be able to stop that? That's the U.S. Senate. We're very focused at students life

00:09:24.260 action at the state legislative level of winning races and ensuring solid pro-life champions. I do

00:09:31.660 not care if a candidate has an R beside their name. I want to see them have a PL beside their name,

00:09:38.160 pro-life. And so, you know, we've already been engaging in the primary process, knocking on doors,

00:09:44.620 making sure voters and constituents understand that some of these candidates, even in the red states

00:09:49.620 that have pledged to be pro-lifes, aren't really acting like it when they get to the state capitol

00:09:54.120 and replacing them with 100 percent solid pro-life conservative legislators at their state capitol,

00:10:01.560 because that's where we're seeing, you know, a lot of this momentum.

00:10:04.200 Have you noticed in your dealing with the politicians who are running for office that they are scared of

00:10:27.560 the abortion issue more so than they have been in the past, because this has become even more polarized

00:10:36.760 since the overturning of Roe v. Wade? What what have you seen when it comes to Republicans and how they

00:10:44.460 approach abortion? Yeah, I mean, I think you have some Republicans who've been scared since the day the

00:10:51.000 Dobbs decision came out, right, that we all kind of knew that some of these leaders who came to the

00:10:58.940 pro-life banquet and gladly accepted the endorsements and campaign dollars from pro-life entities

00:11:05.800 really weren't on our side. And we knew that because we had gone in and asked them to sponsor

00:11:11.260 legislation or lead in a legislative effort. And it was always like, well, not right now, not at this

00:11:16.620 moment. And so you had a lot of politicians who are scared very quickly in the Republican Party that

00:11:22.400 they were going to be required to actually do something. And so we've definitely seen, Ali, a lot

00:11:29.340 of hesitation from some of these Republican leaders who really weren't, I would say, well formed in the

00:11:36.880 issue of abortion, about Planned Parenthood, the violence that goes on in Planned Parenthood, the corruption

00:11:42.900 that goes on inside of Planned Parenthood. So they had to do a lot of catch up very quickly.

00:11:48.680 That's why you've seen some, you know, missteps with language folks have used when they've been

00:11:53.300 on the hot seat in an interview, asked a question and didn't really know how to respond because they

00:11:58.140 had really never thought through that question. I had an eight page like memo. I was schlepping around

00:12:05.940 to Washington, D.C. about a month and a half before the Dobbs decision came down with the talking

00:12:11.560 points for Republican leaders. Like this is how we respond. This is, these are the resources we give.

00:12:18.100 This is all that the pro-life movement does to support women and families in crisis. But sadly,

00:12:24.300 some of them did not get the memo. And so, yeah, we're, this is definitely an uphill battle that

00:12:29.160 we're facing. And I would like to be able to say on our political arm, Students for Life Action,

00:12:34.040 I'd love to be able to say I spend my time fighting Democrats every day and pro-abortion candidates,

00:12:39.820 but that's not the case. I spend the majority of our time actually engaging with Republicans to

00:12:47.020 force Republicans to uphold the platform of our party and to remind them of their pro-life promises.

00:12:54.040 And that's why, you know, I'm the most popular person in Washington, D.C. when folks discover

00:12:59.480 that we're engaging in Republican primaries and holding these, these people's feet to the fire for

00:13:05.240 the promises they've made. And it's something to think about like this generation who aren't,

00:13:10.260 and this is, you know, the conversation I try to have with the older folks is this generation of

00:13:14.780 pro-life leaders, this, this pro-life generation, we're not party advocates. We are not Republican

00:13:20.420 first. We are Christian first. We're Americans. We're pro-lifers. The, the label of the party is,

00:13:28.640 is so far down the list of priorities. And I think that the older generation of political leaders has,

00:13:35.240 they have a hard time thinking of that. They think that, well, if I have an R of a Simon name,

00:13:38.620 everyone's going to come alongside of me and support me. And that's not the case. We want leaders

00:13:43.280 who are pro-life first. Yeah. What do you make of the candidates' abortion positions right now? I mean,

00:13:53.340 when you look at Trump, who is, if you look at Trump, RFK, Biden, Trump, I guess, is the

00:14:00.780 most pro-life in that he helped nominate and place, uh, the SCOTUS picks that ended up helping

00:14:11.900 the overturning of Roe v. Wade. He went to the March for Life. I think he would call himself

00:14:17.740 pro-life, but I actually posted on my Instagram stories when I was comparing him and RFK the other

00:14:22.520 day when I said, you know, well, Trump is pro-choice. I got so many messages saying,

00:14:27.700 what are you talking about? Trump is not pro-choice. He's so pro-life. Well, I'm not so,

00:14:33.680 I'm not so sure about that just based on the things that he said. And actually, before I get

00:14:38.180 your commentary on it, I've got a SOT. So I'll just, um, if we can do SOT 2.5 on the federal

00:14:45.660 abortion ban. If a federal ban landed on your desk, if you were reelected, would you sign it at 15?

00:14:54.200 Are you talking about a complete ban? A ban at 15 weeks? Well, people, people are starting to

00:15:00.500 think of 15 weeks. That seems to be a number that people are talking about right now. Would you sign

00:15:05.000 that? I would, I would sit down with both sides and I'd negotiate something and we'll end up with

00:15:10.980 peace in that issue for the first time in 52 years. Uh, I'm not going to say I would or I wouldn't.

00:15:16.280 I mean, DeSantis is willing to sign a five week and six week ban. Would you support that?

00:15:21.600 You think that goes too far? I think what he did is a terrible thing and a terrible mistake.

00:15:26.100 Okay. Heartbeat bells, terrible thing, terrible mistake, but maybe 15 weeks while into the second

00:15:30.660 trimester. What's your take? Well, I think it's a completely naive statement to say that

00:15:36.300 President Trump, the dealmaker, is going to sit down with Planned Parenthood, who literally profits

00:15:43.120 off the despair of women and profits off of selling her an abortion instead of actually, 0.98

00:15:49.600 I don't know, helping her and empowering her, telling her they profit off of telling her she

00:15:54.120 can't be a mother and complete her education or achieve her career goals. That he's going to sit

00:15:58.960 down with Planned Parenthood and then me and other female, you know, the pro-life leaders. We tend to, 0.88

00:16:04.820 I don't know why we're all women right now. Uh, and we're all going to come to some sort of

00:16:08.460 conclusion that everyone's going to be happy and there's going to be peace on this issue.

00:16:13.900 There will never be peace on the abortion issue until abortion is ended. I mean, that is what's so,

00:16:19.700 um, unique about the American pro-life movement. When you compare our movement to, you know,

00:16:25.420 my friends in Europe who are leading pro-life movements where in Europe, sadly, thanks to these,

00:16:31.560 you know, compromises of like 15 week, 12 week bans on abortion prevention acts, uh, you know,

00:16:38.520 peace was declared in these countries that, you know, it's no longer contentious issue. We've

00:16:43.860 moderated abortion. It's over. And it's made it incredibly difficult for the pro-lifers in the,

00:16:49.300 in these other countries, uh, to continue to beat the drum that abortion is an, in a grave moral,

00:16:56.620 you know, evil and should be ended. And I think that, you know, that's one of my concerns I have

00:17:01.520 about presenting a national, you know, piece of legislation to prevent abortions at 15 or 16

00:17:07.900 weeks that will save maybe 4% of children. Um, but the, the, you know, and I'm always in favor of

00:17:14.660 saving as many kids as possible. Absolutely. I don't believe in throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

00:17:20.360 Um, but I do think we have to be careful of not saying we're going to present this consensus

00:17:25.520 solution of 15 weeks. Uh, and then the, the, the issue is going to be over because I'm thinking

00:17:31.460 long-term about the, the long-term success of our movement, not just 2024, but 2034, 2044,

00:17:38.800 as the pro-life generation rises up to abolish this, uh, evil. And so that was a incredibly naive

00:17:45.800 statement to say, um, you know, what I have asked of the Trump campaign in my conversations,

00:17:52.260 uh, honestly, the president doesn't need to be speaking about abortion right now. He needs to be

00:17:57.060 focusing on, I don't, you can focus on his record and highlight the differences between him and

00:18:02.740 president Biden, who is 100% pro-abortion. Um, you know, getting a prevention act to the president's

00:18:11.140 desk was going to take a pro-life Senate. So I don't even think we're at that conversation. However,

00:18:17.480 president Trump could speak into the things he likes to talk about the most. So things like,

00:18:21.600 I don't know, taking out the swamp, the fact that we have 80 year old grandma sitting in jail for 1.00

00:18:27.100 peacefully praying in from the abortion facility, awaiting a 10 to 11 year federal prison sentence,

00:18:33.480 or the fact that the FDA using COVID as an excuse, stripped all of the safety regulations off of

00:18:40.160 chemical abortion pills. Are you for a six now women and or rapists can obtain these drugs who've 1.00

00:18:47.880 been cover up their crimes? And these drugs are not only killing her child, they're not only making

00:18:53.640 her bathroom and abortion facility, but they're also leading to infertility. They're putting her 1.00

00:18:59.140 life at risk. They have a 15% incompletion rate, meaning she is vulnerable to sepsis and affection

00:19:05.480 because she's not seeing a doctor. If she's RH negative, she may be never able to carry another

00:19:11.300 child to term. These drugs are then entering our public waterways through these three active

00:19:18.680 metabolites that are only found in RU4A6, which we are, we know are known endocrine disruptors

00:19:25.440 and harm animal and plant life. No one's talking about that. So, you know, President Trump could do a

00:19:32.060 lot of good focusing on the things that as present, as a head of the executive branch,

00:19:38.200 he could actually achieve rather than saying things like that, which, you know, the pro-life movement

00:19:44.440 has not struggled for 51 years to get peace on abortion by allowing 93 to 94, 95% of abortions

00:19:54.000 to continue. And that's not where we'll be okay. Yeah. Wow. And, you know, just like you're so right

00:20:02.760 because PR 101, you do not have to answer the questions that are given to you in an interview.

00:20:09.500 You can give whatever answer you want. If someone asks you, would you sign this? Would you sign that?

00:20:15.680 Of course, I would have loved for him to answer differently and say, yay, I love heartbeat bills.

00:20:20.340 However, if you're not going to say that and just say, you know what I want to focus on? I'm worried

00:20:24.400 about that grandmother who is rotting in prison right now because she was peacefully protesting. 0.81

00:20:28.520 Can't we agree that that is wrong and that's what the Democrats stand for? You can always turn it

00:20:34.680 around. You never have to answer the question that the interviewer gives you. But he very famously,

00:20:39.980 I don't think, is trained. Like he doesn't listen to publicists or media trainers. He needs you.

00:20:47.240 He needs you to help him answer those questions. He needs you, Allie Beth. We can go down the more

00:20:51.600 longer together because it's, yeah, it's very frustrating. You know, we're, we're concerned about

00:20:57.360 the 24 election, of course, in the pro-life movement. I'm concerned about the presidency,

00:21:01.200 the U.S. Senate, the House of Representatives, state legislative races. And we need the pro-life

00:21:05.500 generation to rise up like never before to volunteer for, you know, candidates of all,

00:21:10.700 at all levels because laws are a way that we save lives and we will move culture on this issue.

00:21:17.760 It's not, like I said, it's not the only way, but it is a very important part of this movement.

00:21:23.080 And to hear President Trump say, because I, even with that clip, you know, you pulled,

00:21:28.600 I was, I was thinking to myself, does he really think heartbeat laws, which we were so honored to,

00:21:34.100 you know, push here in Florida. And I, I was like knocking on doors here in very nice Naples against

00:21:38.740 the Republican leader to force that bill for a vote. But does he really hate heartbeat laws? Or was he

00:21:44.600 just like in the mode of anything Ron DeSantis did? He was calling terrible. Right. Who knows?

00:21:49.640 I don't know. I have no clue. No matter what, whether he thinks that is true or not,

00:22:07.160 he is the most pro-life or the least pro-choice candidate that we've got on the table right now.

00:22:14.440 You know, I've got a lot of people in my audience who are considering voting for RFK and these are

00:22:22.420 pro-lifers, but they like his position on medical freedom. He's shown a lot of compassion towards

00:22:28.940 moms whose kids have been vaccine injured. They like his stance against Fauci and they look at Trump

00:22:35.180 and they say, okay, well, he didn't drain the swamp. He should have fired Fauci. He should have fired

00:22:41.060 Christopher Wray and he, you know, pushed the vaccine, which a lot of people don't like.

00:22:47.740 And then also they're looking at the abortion issue because these are pro-lifers saying this

00:22:52.080 and they're like, well, RFK is pro-choice, but Trump hasn't been as strong as we want to either. So

00:22:59.560 RFK, he said in an interview that there should be restrictions after the first three months,

00:23:05.400 but then actually his campaign manager said, oh no, that's not, yeah, that's not what we believe.

00:23:10.440 And so tell me like, what's your take on that and looking at the like pro-life creds of Trump versus

00:23:16.580 RFK? Yeah. I mean, you have to look at too, the Ronald Reagan adage of personnel policy,

00:23:23.880 that is something you have to look at anytime you're electing an official, right? Because you have to see

00:23:30.240 who are they going to appoint? Who is going to be serving alongside of them, giving daily briefings?

00:23:35.440 I could tell you right now, you're never going to vote. I mean, I don't, I don't really see this

00:23:41.240 happening in my lifetime. I'm never going to vote for a presidential candidate that I agree with fully.

00:23:45.420 I have to be strategic in my vote. And I know I have to vote for the least amount of evil

00:23:50.420 that is out there today. I, you know, I don't know what RFK's full position on abortion. Maybe he is

00:23:57.320 against abortion in a second, third trimester. That's awesome. In fact, I want to have a 0.79

00:24:01.080 conversation with him ASAP about what we're finding in the water and chemical abortion pills,

00:24:05.620 because I think that's a lot of common ground can be found there. And I'd love to talk with him

00:24:10.500 and his staff about that. However, the fact that his staff walked back that statement tells you who

00:24:16.820 he has surrounded himself with. That also tells you who's going to be serving in his white house.

00:24:23.420 If you even think he, first of all, he doesn't have a chance of waiting,

00:24:26.140 but if you think he has a chance, you want to make an argument with me that RFK has a chance

00:24:29.820 of winning the presidency and our two party system. Okay. Then ask yourself, who is going

00:24:35.760 to surround him? Who's he going to appoint to be secretary of health and human services? Right

00:24:39.820 now at the department of health and human services, we have a lawyer, not a doctor who's an abortion 0.99

00:24:44.620 activist who sued Catholic nuns in California to force Catholic nuns to put birth control, hormonal birth

00:24:51.460 control and abortion into their insurance plan. That's the man, Javier Becerra, who's leading our

00:24:57.580 department of health and human services, an abortion activist. Who do we think RFK is going to appoint

00:25:05.280 to lead HHS, who will then appoint the FDA commissioner and the NIH commissioner? I mean,

00:25:10.680 that's what you have to ask yourself. I mean, one of the challenges that the Trump administration

00:25:14.320 and many people in the Trump administration came out to say after their first four years was the

00:25:19.240 biggest challenge President Trump had of being elected president and being a DC outsider was they

00:25:26.000 had a very hard time figuring out how DC worked and the people they needed to hire. That was one of the

00:25:32.240 key roles of Vice President Pence who had been in DC and knew the folks that had been leading these

00:25:39.040 efforts and previous administrations who could jump right back in to quickly undo the eight years of

00:25:45.480 evil from Barack Obama's presidential administration. Who's RFK going to appoint? Yeah. Yep. That's my

00:25:52.060 question too. When it comes to Supreme Court justices, when it comes to all the things that you talked

00:25:58.360 about, who is in RFK's orbit? Like to your point, his spokesperson, when she was asked, okay, wait,

00:26:06.520 does he support a federal abortion ban? Because at first he was like, oh yeah, sure. 15 weeks sounds

00:26:11.340 good. And she said, the spokesperson said, Mr. Kennedy supports a woman's right to choose and

00:26:16.900 then goes on to say that, you know what? He, he thinks that the issue of late-term abortion,

00:26:23.260 it's just being used to gin up controversy and it's disturbing that that happens. But even then she's 0.84

00:26:31.720 saying that's a woman's right to choose. So what she is saying in so many words is that

00:26:36.520 Kennedy's position is that it is a woman's choice through all nine months of pregnancy. Now, whether

00:26:43.620 or not he believes that personally is almost irrelevant. At the end of the day, it matters

00:26:51.340 who he puts in charge. He might not really want to say or believe that himself. I'm sure he was raised

00:26:58.360 Catholic and so he probably does have some qualms with that. However, if that is what he is running

00:27:06.060 on and that's what the people who are around him believe, that is going to manifest itself in policy.

00:27:13.900 And look, he can be a great advocate against the predation of big pharma. 100% something to be said

00:27:20.560 for that. I appreciate that. Does he believe babies in the womb have a right to life? I don't really

00:27:27.840 see evidence that he does or would enact policies that represent that. That's exactly right. And I

00:27:35.760 think you just have to ask yourself, who does he surround himself with? Even with the challenges

00:27:40.300 we've had with some of the things Donald Trump has said recently that we've been very disappointed by,

00:27:44.900 like, I can tell you with 100% certainty, the folks that I've been speaking with inside the Trump

00:27:49.800 campaign, when I call to complain, Alibeth, are pro-life. You know, the people that are working

00:27:55.820 on the campaign, they already know what I'm going to say before I'm on the phone complaining to them

00:28:01.740 about some statement that's been said in some media interview. And that, to me, gives me at least

00:28:07.720 some reassurance that, you know, what we said in 2016, when we were trying to evaluate

00:28:14.800 who does the pro-life generation support and who the pro-life generation should support after

00:28:19.640 Donald Trump secured the nomination. You know, my statement to our student leaders was very clear

00:28:26.180 that actions speak louder than words. And Donald Trump's actions during the four years of his

00:28:33.480 presidency are speaking louder than some misstatements that he's made in the past year.

00:28:39.360 He has been a solid, and he was a solid pro-life president when you look at the judges,

00:28:44.700 the judges that overturned Roe v. Wade, the federal judges that he appointed, the leaders

00:28:49.800 at HHS, and throughout all of his administration. And I actually think Vice President Pence actually

00:28:56.480 is one to thank for that. But that's key, and that's clutch when you're trying to make

00:29:02.500 these strategic decisions. Because once again, you're not going to, as a Christian, I don't think 0.99

00:29:07.260 we're ever going to vote for somebody who is 100% aligned with our values and votes with a

00:29:13.600 Christian worldview all the time. I think the best we can do in this present situation and the world

00:29:20.540 we live in is to make a strategic decision with our vote and not throwing away that vote and making

00:29:26.980 sure our vote is can be used for the most amount of good. And if our votes can be used to get Joe

00:29:33.720 Biden and the Democrats out of the White House to stop the vicious promotion of chemical abortion 0.76

00:29:39.600 pills and abortion across our country, I mean, the Vice President of the United States just visited a

00:29:45.740 mega Planned Parenthood abortion facility in Minneapolis. This has never happened before in

00:29:51.160 the history of our country. They are trying. They have a full-on campaign to normalize killing babies 0.90

00:29:57.900 for profit, killing human children for profit. So yeah, I mean, thinking about the State of the

00:30:04.440 Union and even the comments that were made in the State of the Union, where President Biden started

00:30:08.960 talking about how Republicans in Alabama are evil. There was babies in test tubes that mothers weren't 0.88

00:30:14.520 able to implant. And that was evil because we like babies. And in the next breath, he championed Kate

00:30:20.140 Cox, who went across state lines and aborted her child because her child's chromosomes weren't perfect

00:30:28.680 in her mind. And she didn't want to be bothered having a child with tristomy 18, who literally practiced

00:30:34.660 eugenics. They were, you know, that was like the whiplash was crazy. We needed to wear a neck brace during 1.00

00:30:40.560 the State of the Union. Yeah, no, it really is eugenics. People don't see it like that. And it's actually

00:30:45.720 amazing. I know we don't have time. I've got to let you go. But when I talk about things like Kate

00:30:50.760 Cox, how they really a lot of people, even some people who call themselves pro-life, think that

00:30:55.080 the Democrats actually have the more reasonable and compassionate position on that. It's like, oh,

00:31:00.240 yeah, it's one case when it comes to a child who has a disability. All of a sudden, we have to believe 0.88

00:31:06.400 that child doesn't have a right not to be murdered. That makes me think that people don't really

00:31:10.800 understand the pro-life position at all. No, in fact, they don't. So I'll prove it to you. 0.54

00:31:15.720 So immediately after the Alabama decision came down, I started speaking out about my concerns

00:31:21.940 with a vitro fertilization, one from a Christian and moral perspective, and two as a mother,

00:31:26.640 because I have two children with cystic fibrosis. 90% of children with cystic fibrosis who are

00:31:32.600 diagnosed in utero are aborted. PGD, prenatal genetic determination, is used in IVF clinics every

00:31:40.060 single day with couples who have been determined to be recessive carriers for cystic fibrosis.

00:31:45.720 Why? Because they eliminate children who have cystic fibrosis. We practice eugenics saying that 0.95

00:31:52.420 there's something wrong with my children, and they shouldn't have been born, and they'd be better off 0.99

00:31:57.120 being thrown away or their bodies as embryonic humans donated to science to be killed. 1.00

00:32:03.640 It's absolutely sick, that mentality. But we started running. I wanted to know, 0.92

00:32:10.400 Ali Beth, because you saw those quotes in the media after the Alabama decision of so-and-so

00:32:15.800 pro-lifer says they're pro-IBF. So we ran a little mind change experiment online. I do this with

00:32:22.060 Planned Parenthood. I do this with abortion with our digital field team. And so we targeted pro-lifers

00:32:27.180 in one test and mushy middle, movable middle, pro-choice folks in the other test. And normally,

00:32:33.440 I'll tell you, when we run these tests, it cost me about $4.24 to change someone's minds on Planned

00:32:39.540 Parenthood, about the same to change a person's mind on abortion. I never run the test on pro-lifers 0.51

00:32:44.420 because I know they stand. But this time, I did pro-lifers and mushy middle demographic.

00:32:47.800 And it was a quiz. And the question was, do you support IVF? Take this quiz, tell us how much

00:32:54.260 you know. And at the end of the quiz, we asked the same question, do you support IVF? And the quiz is

00:33:00.080 four questions, true or false, 88% conversion rate. Cost me $0.36 per minds changed of pro-lifers

00:33:08.580 and the mushy middle pro-choice on the issue of IVF. And it's both, it's an 88% and 86% minds changed

00:33:15.920 rate, meaning no one actually knows what happens in IVF clinics. Americans broadly say, I support IVF,

00:33:25.360 but have no idea of the wild, wild west that goes on. And when you do a four question,

00:33:31.160 true or false quiz, the mind, I mean, 36 cents to change a mind on IVF, that tells you no one really

00:33:39.160 knows. And you have Republican leaders who've like gone, you know, tripped over themselves to try to

00:33:45.060 overcorrect this Alabama Supreme Court ruling with no, by the way, no regard for the parents who lost

00:33:50.540 children. And they themselves, I can guarantee you, don't know what happens inside of an IVF clinic.

00:33:57.040 Oh my gosh. Yes. There's so much that we could say here. That whole Alabama thing is

00:34:01.140 being framed wrongly when it was the parents of the children who were destroyed, who sued.

00:34:06.480 It wasn't anti-IVF activists. It was these parents saying, oh, these were my children.

00:34:12.160 We want someone to be held liable under the Harm to a Minor Act in Alabama.

00:34:16.440 You're absolutely right. This is actually something that only I have started thinking

00:34:32.760 about in the last five years. And it is probably after abortion, probably the number one thing that

00:34:40.160 people tell me, wow, I didn't know. And now my mind has changed when it comes to IVF and surrogacy.

00:34:45.880 People really, they just, they don't, they never thought about it. They've just never thought

00:34:51.080 about it. And they want to be happy for people who have struggled with infertility and have babies.

00:34:55.160 And so unfortunately, a lot of pro-lifers go through this, you know, any means, any means

00:35:02.300 necessary thought process of justifying IVF. But I hope that that's changing. Although it does put us on

00:35:10.100 even more controversial ground in the mainstream.

00:35:14.460 It does. And I think, you know, I'll tell you, I spoke to the New York Times after the decision came

00:35:18.680 out and I made a simple statement, you know, like, you know, I can't name one pro-life organization

00:35:23.260 that's okay with this. Right. I mean, everybody, even Protestant, Catholic, or United, that there's

00:35:28.440 something wrong with how IVF practice. Even if you support single embryo transfer and not,

00:35:35.480 you know, putting children in cryosite freezers, which 80% of them are never, you know, never are

00:35:40.880 born. Even if you support, you know, making one human being and putting one, implanting one human

00:35:45.640 being, there's something wrong with the industry. And you would not believe the text messages I got

00:35:52.720 from friends for that statement, Allie. And it was sad because I was texting with these folks who I

00:35:58.320 know, are with me on this issue. But I know the anger that they felt was because they felt that my

00:36:06.900 statements were going to mess up 2024. And so I think that's, we have to challenge ourselves. And

00:36:13.980 I have to challenge myself as a pro-life, you know, leader, often of, am I making this decision? Am I

00:36:19.980 saying this because I'm worried about this pending election, which I'm definitely worried about. I'm a mom

00:36:25.060 of four children, two of whom have a severe genetic disability. I'm definitely worried about this

00:36:29.640 election. But have I, have I hurt our movement in, in 10 to 20 years? And now may not be the time

00:36:37.700 strategically to engage on this issue and go to battle on this issue. But now is the time to have

00:36:45.080 a reasonable conversation and start saying, this raises a lot of good points. Maybe let's start

00:36:50.760 talking about it and let's not be afraid to speak truth. And I think that's, that that's where it

00:36:56.420 gets hard as a Christian in the public sphere of we're called to speak truth. We're called to speak

00:37:01.620 truth and love and with compassion. But when, you know, when we're directly asked, people want to

00:37:08.240 answer. And, you know, I can't, I can't just ignore the question. We talked about ignoring the question

00:37:13.300 because I could, yes, I can decline the interview and I can say, Hey, I'm not going to talk about this

00:37:18.060 issue or I'm not going to do that TV interview on this issue, but students to life leaders that are

00:37:23.620 on nearly 1500 campuses every day. They can't decline the interview. They're the ones having

00:37:29.080 conversations every single day with their peers and they're changing minds. I mean, we're changing 10

00:37:34.520 to 18% of young people's minds on abortion through personal conversations every single day. And so I was

00:37:43.060 really, I did a lot of, I guess, DMing of some of our student leaders, some of whom were conceived

00:37:49.500 using IVF when this happened, checking on them and really wanting to know what did they need from me?

00:37:56.680 What did they need from the pro-life movement and to help them in these conversations? And all I heard

00:38:03.720 was keep talking. We need more information and, you know, keep being out there. And that's why I love

00:38:09.940 this generation of young people who are just leading this effort so courageously. I mean,

00:38:15.880 they get spit on, they get discriminated in class, they get yelled at by their professors called 0.99

00:38:22.360 ignorant in front of other students. But they're always out there and they're always faithful to 0.92

00:38:29.600 the mission that they know God's called them to. Yeah. Well, thank you so much. Thank you to you and

00:38:35.520 all the students who are really so brave and going into the lion's den, but also just how you

00:38:41.440 persistently engage with Republicans to just make good on their promises. Everyone should be supporting

00:38:47.320 Students for Life and going to your website for Students for Life, making your donation. That's how

00:38:53.460 you guys exist. That's how you guys are able to change people's minds because of the donations and

00:39:00.080 support of pro-lifers across the country. So thank you so much, Kristen. I really appreciate you

00:39:06.000 taking the time to come on. Thank you, Alibeth. And thanks for all that you do and the truth that

00:39:10.880 you speak. Thank you. You'll never know the impact that you make because I have conversations with

00:39:16.160 legislators who are like, now, did you see this clip on YouTube with this young lady? I'm like, yes,

00:39:22.120 absolutely. And she did and she spoke truth. So thank you for being fearless. Well, thank you so much,

00:39:27.360 Kristen. Likewise. All right. Hope you guys enjoyed that conversation. So good. Before we close out,

00:39:38.420 I just want to remind you that there's the new installment of a Blaze original series called

00:39:44.680 Texas versus the Feds that you guys have got to watch. It is absolutely mind-blowing what is actually

00:39:50.780 happening on the southern border and how the federal government is standing in the way of

00:39:57.020 Texas's efforts to try to secure the border and to protect its own people. What is going on? Who is

00:40:03.460 behind this? What is the real motivation that the federal government has for basically opening up the

00:40:09.300 border? You've got to check this out. If you go to blazeoriginals.com, use code Allie. You can sign

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Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 18, 2024

Ep 969 ｜ Democrats’ Plan to Replace Biden as the Nominee ｜ Guest： Kristan Hawkins

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