Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - Ep 970 ｜ Katespiracy Update & Why You Can’t Have It All ｜ Guest： Leanne Jamieson

00:00:01.000 Princess Kate has been spotted, or has she?

00:00:04.840 Producer Brie and I disagree on this.

00:00:07.180 Also, singer-songwriter Lily Allen says children ruined her career.

00:00:12.240 What's all that about?

00:00:13.240 And also, we've got an amazing guest, Leanne Jamieson.

00:00:16.560 She is the director of a pregnancy center.

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00:00:23.240 the good, the bad, and the ugly,

00:00:24.600 and also talk to us about the importance of adoption and fostering.

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00:00:46.400 Hey, guys.

00:00:47.200 Welcome to Relatable.

00:00:48.900 Happy Tuesday.

00:00:50.460 Had to think about what day it was for just a second.

00:00:52.600 Hope everyone's having a wonderful week so far.

00:00:55.780 Okay.

00:00:56.140 We got a lot, a lot, as always, to talk about.

00:00:59.720 We had to make some executive decisions right before we started taping.

00:01:03.440 I really wanted to talk about this whole Trump bloodbath thing because even though every other

00:01:09.420 commentator and their mom is talking about this, and rightfully so, I did want to analyze

00:01:13.600 it on my show too because I know my audience.

00:01:16.880 And I know that you've got some gals in your life who are or will sometime in the next few 0.99

00:01:23.440 months send you the articles about Trump saying the word bloodbath at a rally to tell you why

00:01:28.520 she could not possibly, in good conscience, vote for Donald Trump because he is calling

00:01:33.200 for fascist violence.

00:01:34.680 And while I want to debunk that, it's actually a lot.

00:01:39.300 Like the segment that we have in the document with all the research, all the context is a

00:01:44.000 lot.

00:01:44.340 And because I have an awesome interview at the end of this episode, which ended up being

00:01:49.480 longer than I originally thought that it would because my guest is just so, so amazing

00:01:54.400 and we have so much to talk about, I don't have time to get to that today.

00:01:58.160 So we're going to get into a couple other things that are going to be a little bit quicker,

00:02:02.140 but we will get to that because I do know it's important and I want you guys to have

00:02:06.560 something to fall back on, information, context, all the facts surrounding that, when that conversation

00:02:11.500 comes up with your relative, with your friend, with whomever, so you can be armed with the

00:02:17.420 facts about that.

00:02:18.320 Okay, before we get into it, I have a couple clothing related things to say.

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00:02:41.420 I've been wearing my beige You're Not Enough, But Jesus Is Kroonax. 0.73

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00:02:50.000 I've heard from a lot of y'all that this is like your favorite.

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00:03:01.700 It started a conversation for me just over the weekend.

00:03:04.960 I was wearing it.

00:03:05.700 Someone was like, oh, I like your sweatshirt.

00:03:07.400 They only saw the back of it.

00:03:08.520 And then I got to talk about what the front says.

00:03:10.180 So it's a great evangelistic tool.

00:03:12.120 Okay, also another clothing related announcement, Sydney McLaughlin-Levrone.

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00:03:26.240 You probably saw her because she's like just this beautiful beacon of Christian light in

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00:03:34.540 Anyway, she's awesome. 0.98

00:03:36.100 Okay, she sent me the coolest stuff because she has a partnership right now with New Balance.

00:03:41.860 I'm not getting paid to say this.

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00:03:44.400 But I got this package in yesterday.

00:03:47.040 I don't know if we can go to the wide shot and you can see these shoes, which are amazing.

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00:04:08.380 Y'all should check that out.

00:04:09.260 She's got a partnership right now with New Balance, Sydney McLaughlin.

00:04:12.540 She and her husband, just like amazing and beautiful people.

00:04:17.540 You should follow them too because they're just like very encouraging, godly people.

00:04:21.920 But also she is very fashionable.

00:04:24.320 So she's got this new partnership out and I've got some cool new shoes.

00:04:27.220 So thanks so much, Sydney.

00:04:28.640 Okay, we got a Kate Middleton update.

00:04:43.000 This is also what is taking up some of the time, not just in today's episode, but in my life.

00:04:49.600 Kate Middleton has taken up a lot of my life over the past few days because I, like every

00:04:56.680 other gal out there, I have just been thinking randomly, oh, oh, where's Kate?

00:05:02.560 Where's Kate? 0.84

00:05:03.320 Where's Kate? 0.84

00:05:03.940 I think that I'm busy doing something else.

00:05:06.240 I think I'm taking care of some responsibility.

00:05:08.460 And then she just pops into my head.

00:05:10.080 I'm like, hey, I hope that she's okay.

00:05:11.460 We went through all the theories last week about where she is and why people just weren't

00:05:17.040 really taking the palace's statements about what happened to her, her whereabouts, her

00:05:23.900 recovery, why they weren't taking them seriously, why there were theories, the whole photogate

00:05:29.820 editing thing.

00:05:31.600 We went through all of that.

00:05:32.940 And there, of course, if you're following this on social media, there are more theories

00:05:36.400 and more details every day.

00:05:39.180 But now there is another update that you think would quell all of the rumors and the conspiracies,

00:05:45.580 but it has not.

00:05:46.960 So here is what TMZ is saying is Will and Kate at a farm shop over the weekend.

00:05:55.840 I guess that's like a farmer's market.

00:05:57.440 Is that what the British, a farm shop, over the weekend in a video obtained by TMZ.

00:06:03.760 Here they are at SOT7.

00:06:04.960 Well, the music does not help.

00:06:22.760 That, I mean, that alone gives me a lot of just conspiracy vibes.

00:06:28.380 I don't know if that's purposeful or not, but that just makes me think that something

00:06:33.020 is really going on.

00:06:34.200 So anyway, that is, that's supposed to be Kate and Will.

00:06:38.820 And the reason I say supposed to be is because a lot of people are saying this is not Kate

00:06:45.520 and Will.

00:06:46.380 That's not really Will.

00:06:48.200 That's not really Kate.

00:06:49.820 They have put in a stand in.

00:06:51.700 But if we pull up some of the pictures, which we will, if you're watching on YouTube, and

00:06:55.400 it's not the best quality because all anyone has is like a screenshot of the video.

00:07:01.300 So people are saying that this does not look like them.

00:07:05.560 I think it does.

00:07:07.640 I think it does.

00:07:08.800 Now, granted, maybe my eyes aren't that great because I also didn't see any of the editing

00:07:14.400 problems and the picture that went viral and that other people caught.

00:07:20.540 And they were right.

00:07:21.300 By the way, it was edited.

00:07:22.420 And I just didn't see that.

00:07:24.480 And so maybe I'm crazy here.

00:07:26.120 But this looks like Kate to me.

00:07:29.040 And like, why would they if they were going to put out a clone, if they were going to put

00:07:34.360 out, you know, a stand in to try to falsely the conspiracy goes signal that she's okay to

00:07:42.560 the world, I don't think that they would have chosen this scenario.

00:07:46.520 They would have like at the farmer's market with them so dressed down.

00:07:51.740 And I just don't think so.

00:07:54.060 Plus, she looks really thin.

00:07:56.180 So if she really had abdominal surgery, now sources are apparently saying bowel surgery 0.99

00:08:03.420 specifically, which was a theory that a lot of you had, by the way, that she had a bag 1.00

00:08:09.180 that's associated with bowel surgery. 0.96

00:08:11.240 It can be extremely invasive and their recovery can be really long.

00:08:17.540 It would make sense that she had lost some weight.

00:08:20.500 So if the palace were trying to signal, hey, everything's fine by putting in a stand in

00:08:27.100 for the paparazzi to catch, I don't think that they would have chosen someone who looks this

00:08:32.860 thin because her thinness also is sparking concerns, further concerns from people saying,

00:08:40.220 wow, is she okay?

00:08:41.020 She looks so small.

00:08:42.020 I think that they would have put out someone who looks healthier, but it would make sense

00:08:45.980 if she really did have this kind of abdominal surgery. 0.99

00:08:50.280 I saw, I don't remember what it was, but I saw a post saying she didn't have abdominal

00:08:54.740 surgery.

00:08:55.300 She had bowel surgery. 0.97

00:08:56.180 I don't understand that.

00:08:57.200 The bowel is in the abdomen.

00:08:58.880 So I understand why they didn't want to say bowel surgery because that's a little embarrassing

00:09:02.620 and it's a little crude.

00:09:04.560 And so maybe they were trying to protect her image.

00:09:06.940 I don't know.

00:09:07.300 I don't think the palace has done a good job with PR, but I think that's what they were

00:09:10.520 trying to do.

00:09:11.320 So, um, anyway, all that to say, like, it makes sense that she looks really small and

00:09:16.520 maybe that her face looks a little bit different too, because one, when you've been sick and

00:09:21.540 you've been depleted, your face is going to look different.

00:09:24.820 Your hair is going to look different.

00:09:26.280 Your bone structure is going to look different.

00:09:28.160 And if you're really thin and she does look really thin, she was already thin before she 1.00

00:09:32.340 looks even thinner than that, that changes what your face looks like.

00:09:35.260 And yes, I do think this looks like Prince William, by the way, I just do.

00:09:39.320 I think honestly, a lot of people, and I love a good theory.

00:09:44.780 I'll even entertain a conspiracy for a sec, but I do think people, and we saw this so much

00:09:52.440 with the QAnon stuff with Trump, like people are very addicted to fall, like continuing a

00:09:59.600 conspiracy.

00:10:00.560 I'm not, I don't know.

00:10:02.080 I don't know all the details to this.

00:10:03.780 Maybe some of the theories, there is some truth to them, uh, both, you know, before this

00:10:08.960 and since, and since this picture and video was released, but I do think just be aware

00:10:15.060 that there are some people who have gained a lot of viral attention, virality, if you

00:10:21.660 will, over the past few weeks or few days because of this, that they're going to cling

00:10:27.780 to dear, to this too, for dear life because their fame and their prominence is now dependent

00:10:35.080 upon it.

00:10:36.100 I'm not saying that there aren't questions to ask.

00:10:39.240 I think it's all fair.

00:10:40.560 I think it's all been fair, especially up to this point to ask some questions and to have

00:10:44.760 some concerns.

00:10:45.360 Like I said, I have those questions.

00:10:46.760 I had those concerns.

00:10:47.620 Um, but I, I, I do think that we are probably at this point about done with the extensive

00:10:59.320 conspiracies, right?

00:11:01.220 Again, there are some questions, questions remain.

00:11:04.940 We'll see what happens on Easter.

00:11:06.380 Easter, as I have seen people say, although I said this from the beginning, but I've seen

00:11:12.560 people say that it is interesting that she is resurrecting on Easter.

00:11:18.760 Yeah.

00:11:19.020 I made that connection too.

00:11:20.560 I think it's interesting too.

00:11:21.920 I don't think there's like a reason for it necessarily.

00:11:24.460 I don't think the symbolism is purposeful.

00:11:26.780 It's just interesting.

00:11:28.200 So this was interesting while it lasted.

00:11:30.080 And unless there are other developments, I probably don't have that much more to say about

00:11:34.400 that.

00:11:34.600 I'm sure there will be other people who have commentary on this, who are much more interested

00:11:38.600 in the Royals.

00:11:39.300 I just wanted to make sure that our girl was okay, that her kids are okay.

00:11:43.400 But I will say, I did not know that they went to farmer's markets casually on the weekends

00:11:48.740 with their little zip ups and hats.

00:11:51.800 Brie is shaking her head.

00:11:53.480 Okay, Brie, come on. 0.99

00:11:56.780 You have a conspiracy about this?

00:11:59.720 It's not real.

00:12:00.720 I don't think it's real.

00:12:02.240 Okay.

00:12:03.060 Come on.

00:12:04.400 It just doesn't.

00:12:05.760 I've seen that there is not a body double, but an impersonator who-

00:12:11.360 You have seen.

00:12:12.500 Yeah.

00:12:12.780 There are pictures of her.

00:12:13.700 Her name's Heidi.

00:12:14.600 She's an actual Kate Middleton impersonator. 1.00

00:12:15.720 Do we have her picture?

00:12:17.120 We can put it up.

00:12:18.920 I'm just seeing.

00:12:19.500 I just saw that this morning.

00:12:20.880 And I think it looked more like her.

00:12:23.200 Is she thin like this? 1.00

00:12:24.600 Yes.

00:12:24.920 This thin?

00:12:25.400 She's-

00:12:25.820 Yeah.

00:12:25.980 This is tiny Kate.

00:12:27.000 The photo to me looks just like her.

00:12:29.260 And she apparently has a Will impersonator also.

00:12:33.160 So I think it's them.

00:12:36.340 But why?

00:12:37.620 Okay.

00:12:37.760 But answer my questions at the beginning.

00:12:39.460 If they were going to put in stand-ins to signal to everyone that, okay, we're all well

00:12:44.380 and good here.

00:12:45.060 Everyone's healthy.

00:12:46.060 Why would they choose this scenario with this type of clothing, this kind of weird situation

00:12:52.780 of a farmer's market and have her look so thin? 0.98

00:12:56.560 But isn't it, I don't know, but isn't it also weird that she supposedly is like on bed rest

00:13:06.920 or recovering from surgery?

00:13:08.400 She looks very spry in this photo, in this video.

00:13:11.980 She's walking like there's nothing wrong.

00:13:13.440 Well, did they say bed rest?

00:13:14.600 Did they say that she's still on bed rest?

00:13:16.080 But she's in recovery.

00:13:17.380 And I'm wondering why, if she looks perfectly fine here, why they couldn't have ever-

00:13:21.560 She looks really skinny. 0.53

00:13:22.280 Or, yeah, but if she's going to go out anyway, why couldn't they just record a video of her

00:13:26.680 being normal?

00:13:28.380 Like, why all the weird stuff?

00:13:30.700 Well, maybe.

00:13:31.620 And I'm just playing devil's advocate because I don't know.

00:13:34.160 But maybe they are just trying not to, I don't know. 0.92

00:13:40.080 I was going to say, try not to respond to what they think are ridiculous, absurd conspiracies.

00:13:45.940 Although they did put out the picture, which I think was a response to the conspiracies.

00:13:51.280 Yeah.

00:13:51.360 But maybe she's like, no, I am not doing that.

00:13:55.280 And she knows she looks super thin.

00:13:58.040 Now, here's what I will say.

00:14:00.240 Here's what I will say.

00:14:01.540 Is that this picture of her does make me realize that the picture that they put out

00:14:06.940 that was so edited that they say was a very recent picture.

00:14:11.380 I do not think it was a recent picture because she doesn't look that thin.

00:14:16.220 She does, obviously thin, but not this thin in that picture. 0.91

00:14:20.060 She looks different here than she did there.

00:14:22.700 So that does make me think that they lied about the timing of that photo.

00:14:26.200 Yeah.

00:14:29.180 Or this isn't real.

00:14:31.420 I think personally, neither of us.

00:14:33.720 The journalist sends out their dupes.

00:14:37.580 Yeah.

00:14:37.980 Because I don't know why they would be together.

00:14:39.740 I mean, unless this Kate impersonator and this Will impersonator are like together.

00:14:43.980 Right.

00:14:45.000 Then I don't know why they would be together for this photo.

00:14:48.220 So, yes.

00:14:49.300 But yeah, I mean, you're right.

00:14:50.720 There are questions about like, why would they do it like this?

00:14:54.720 But I mean, it's a blurry video.

00:14:57.480 I also saw something on Twitter that someone like zooming in on an iPhone at a Rihanna concert

00:15:03.620 from like way in the nosebleed seats.

00:15:06.260 And you can see her perfectly.

00:15:07.820 And people are like, if you can get images like this on an iPhone now, then why can't

00:15:12.700 we get the clearest photo?

00:15:14.360 Yeah.

00:15:14.820 When they zoom in.

00:15:15.320 I thought you meant Kate Middleton.

00:15:16.840 I'm sorry.

00:15:17.800 Whoa.

00:15:18.600 What?

00:15:19.500 Kate Middleton is actually at Rihanna concerts and everyone knows that?

00:15:23.680 How did I miss that?

00:15:24.660 No, no.

00:15:25.220 Just an example of how iPhones are so good now that really we should have a very clear

00:15:30.360 photo of Kate Middleton if she's really walking around London, you know?

00:15:34.520 I just think that that looks just like her and just like Will.

00:15:39.860 But I mean, if you're telling me that this, okay, I'm looking this up because I haven't

00:15:44.860 seen this Heidi person, Heidi, Kate Middleton impersonator.

00:15:53.820 Okay.

00:15:54.740 I'm going to, let me see this person.

00:15:59.680 Oh, wow.

00:16:01.880 Okay.

00:16:02.360 They do look alike.

00:16:03.780 I don't think that the, that the Will guy looks like, they do look alike.

00:16:10.860 I mean, really hard to tell though.

00:16:14.440 They don't look exactly alike.

00:16:18.400 But the video is kind of blurry.

00:16:20.320 It is kind of blurry.

00:16:22.720 I don't know, man.

00:16:24.940 I don't know.

00:16:26.480 Okay.

00:16:27.120 Well, we can agree to disagree.

00:16:29.020 No, I think that looks like Kate.

00:16:30.880 I really do.

00:16:31.740 Yeah, I'm full tinfoil hat at this point, but I understand the arguments against that.

00:16:35.560 Okay.

00:16:35.920 Well, maybe we'll just keep that.

00:16:37.360 We'll keep our updates alive because I'm sure there are people that are in the camp that

00:16:40.940 you are.

00:16:53.220 Okay.

00:16:53.660 I've been wanting to talk about this, uh, Lily Allen story.

00:16:58.860 I saw this quote from her, uh, where she said, I never really had a strategy when it comes

00:17:06.560 to my career, but yes, my children ruined my career.

00:17:11.120 And I thought, wow, that's such a difficult message to put out there.

00:17:16.700 It's such a harsh message.

00:17:17.640 I should say to put out there about children.

00:17:20.920 And I wanted to talk about it because I looked at the full context and I actually think that

00:17:26.640 our response to something like that, that initially is like jolting and we understandably have

00:17:31.800 a negative reaction to, I, I do think it's a little bit layered and nuanced and I think

00:17:37.220 it's important to share this perspective.

00:17:38.680 So for those of you who don't know, she is a 38 year old British singer songwriter and,

00:17:43.740 um, she was, uh, really like topping the charts, like more of at the height of her fame several

00:17:51.180 years ago.

00:17:52.140 She's got a few good songs and on the March 12th episode, or, you know, maybe she has a

00:17:57.120 lot of good songs.

00:17:57.920 I just am not someone who is super, super familiar with all of her music, but I know that she has

00:18:03.040 a lot of, um, very diehard adoring fans.

00:18:05.860 So, uh, on a March 12th episode of the radio times podcast, she made headlines for saying

00:18:14.160 this comment about children and her career.

00:18:17.480 Uh, here's top five.

00:18:19.500 Yes.

00:18:20.160 My children ruined my career.

00:18:25.420 I mean, I love them and they complete me, but in terms of like, you know, pop stardom,

00:18:30.400 totally ruined it.

00:18:31.320 And really annoys me when people say you can have it all because quite frankly, you can't,

00:18:34.340 and you know, some people choose their career over their children and that's their prerogative.

00:18:37.800 But, you know, my parents were quite absent when I was a kid and I feel like that really

00:18:42.080 left some like nasty scars that I'm not willing to, you know, to repeat online.

00:18:47.720 And so I chose stepping back and concentrating on them.

00:18:51.760 And I'm glad that I've done that because I think they're pretty well-rounded people.

00:18:55.680 Hmm.

00:18:56.000 See, the context completely changes the quote that has been extracted from that episode

00:19:03.880 and has made headlines.

00:19:05.280 And I have no idea if this bothers her, but if I were her, it would really bother me.

00:19:10.080 And of course it's clickbait.

00:19:11.600 That's just what happens.

00:19:13.260 But, um, Cosmopolitan Lily Allen says having kids ruined her career. 1.00

00:19:18.880 But then the person goes on to say, the author of this, as a mother, I think she has a point.

00:19:25.720 Um, and then there are several other headlines who said this, who say the same thing, who

00:19:31.420 use that particular quote.

00:19:33.780 And I saw a graphic, I don't know if it was entertainment tonight.

00:19:37.220 I don't remember who, uh, originally posted it.

00:19:40.300 And that's all it said.

00:19:41.520 Lily Allen says that children ruined her career. 0.99

00:19:45.920 But as you can see from the context, like, first of all, she's saying it tongue in cheek.

00:19:51.260 It's said, she uses the word ruined, which I don't think is like the best word to use,

00:19:56.140 but she's using it purposely.

00:19:57.320 She's using it for shock value. 0.82

00:19:59.000 She's using it to make a point.

00:20:00.800 And she makes a point that I think is really important for us to hear is that you really

00:20:05.880 cannot have it all.

00:20:07.940 You can't have it all.

00:20:09.040 And that's okay.

00:20:10.600 Like, this is another lie that we're told in addition to you are enough.

00:20:15.620 In addition to you're perfect, the way that you are, in addition to you're entitled to

00:20:19.260 your dreams, like all these lies that we've talked about so many times on this show, they're

00:20:23.260 fed to women so often from the self-help, self-love culture, um, that you really can't

00:20:30.320 have it all.

00:20:30.960 And that your happiness and your convenience and your dreams and your goals come first and

00:20:36.060 everything and everyone else gets deprioritized and has to sacrifice on behalf of what you want.

00:20:43.420 And at the end of it, you'll just be happy that you fulfilled all of your desires.

00:20:48.400 Well, that is a really big lie.

00:20:50.020 And I do think that more and more women are waking up to this, but I think it's actually

00:20:54.140 a mistake of the pro-life movement that I see a lot, uh, that you can have it all.

00:20:59.200 No, by choosing life for your baby, you can absolutely do all of the career things that

00:21:04.160 you wanted to do.

00:21:05.140 To me, that's like a form of the feminist deceit that we see in mainstream pro-choice secular 1.00

00:21:13.340 culture.

00:21:14.360 Um, because it's not really true.

00:21:17.040 I mean, Lily Allen is right.

00:21:18.740 You cannot have it all, all at once.

00:21:21.100 I know this from personal experience.

00:21:23.820 I would never use the word ruined, but again, I think she's just trying to make the point is

00:21:28.860 that there were a lot of things, uh, to say no to once I started having kids, you know,

00:21:36.000 I was doing this for four years before I, um, had a child.

00:21:42.920 I mean, not the podcast, but I was, you know, speaking and the social media and all of that,

00:21:49.000 doing the Fox news interviews, uh, before I had kids and man, it was go, go, go.

00:21:53.740 I look back at my husband's and my life back then and how much we were working, how much

00:21:59.720 we were gone, how much we were saying yes to, because that was the season that we were

00:22:03.940 in and you know, it was an okay season.

00:22:07.400 It was a fine season.

00:22:09.020 And then once I got pregnant and once I had our first kid, there was a lot more.

00:22:13.820 No, I stopped traveling.

00:22:15.640 I stopped doing those Fox and friends interviews.

00:22:18.460 I mean, I was waking up for Fox and friends or Fox and friends first, sometimes at two, three,

00:22:23.220 four, 5 AM.

00:22:24.960 I was saying yes to every interview, to every opportunity.

00:22:28.880 Again, that was just the stage that I was at that stopped when I had kids.

00:22:32.440 Not everything stopped, but a lot of things stopped.

00:22:35.220 And after every child, I've said no to more and more things.

00:22:39.280 I don't travel like I used to.

00:22:40.880 I don't really do interviews at all anymore.

00:22:43.600 I don't do media anymore.

00:22:44.980 I gave up a consistent writing gig that I was doing.

00:22:49.800 And maybe it might seem like it's not that much to do two articles a month, but I loved

00:22:55.600 it.

00:22:55.900 But I had to say no to that because I no longer have that margin.

00:23:00.020 I no longer have that time.

00:23:01.540 Really, this podcast and the speaking that I do about once a month where most of my family

00:23:12.500 comes with me typically for that, that's, you know, a choice that we make based on just

00:23:19.320 a variety of factors for every different speaking engagement.

00:23:22.280 But that's like a whole family affair.

00:23:24.960 Very often, it just looks so different than it did back in 2018.

00:23:29.540 It looks so different.

00:23:30.920 All I have time for really is this podcast, which I have an entire awesome team behind

00:23:38.160 me that helps me do that.

00:23:40.940 And the speaking that I do, and that is like a fraction of what I used to do.

00:23:48.280 I used to travel a lot more before I had kids, and it was easier with one.

00:23:52.000 It was easier with two.

00:23:53.020 And then with every child, you say no to more and more that is not related to them.

00:23:57.840 That's just part of it.

00:23:58.900 And that doesn't mean that you always, that there's, that you don't have anything.

00:24:05.740 Like there are plenty of moms who have an Etsy shop who are, you know, influencers in some 1.00

00:24:11.400 way and who dedicate time to different parts of their craft.

00:24:16.640 And so there are different ways that that looks, but it is always true that when you are

00:24:22.560 prioritizing your children and prioritizing your family, that there are some sacrifices

00:24:28.540 in other areas to be made.

00:24:31.400 There is always going to be a trade-off.

00:24:35.160 And so Lily Allen is right about that.

00:24:38.040 Again, I wouldn't use the word ruin because that sacrifice is 100% worth it.

00:24:46.780 And I think that she did end up saying as much, but it's 100% worth it.

00:24:51.500 The saying no to other things is 100% worth it.

00:24:55.540 And I am very thankful for like the flexibility and the schedule that I have.

00:24:59.600 It is totally a dream that I get to prioritize my time and my energy the way that I can.

00:25:05.860 I understand that's not possible for everyone.

00:25:08.240 I understand that there are different situations.

00:25:10.400 There are single moms out there. 1.00

00:25:11.520 You're doing the best that you possibly can.

00:25:15.320 But she's right.

00:25:17.500 She's right.

00:25:18.080 There is a trade-off.

00:25:19.520 Now, just to be fair also to the pro-life message who they are trying to say that you,

00:25:27.380 it's not a life ruining and it's not having a child and choosing life for your child instead

00:25:34.100 of abortion doesn't mean that you are never going to be able to do the things that you

00:25:39.740 are on track to do.

00:25:42.400 And I think that that is true.

00:25:43.980 And I think that that is an important message.

00:25:45.800 But it also needs to be said that there will be sacrifice.

00:25:50.160 There will be giving up.

00:25:52.140 There will be trade-offs and that those things are actually good.

00:25:56.060 I don't want us to feed into the culture of all sacrifice is bad.

00:26:00.880 All giving up is bad.

00:26:02.260 All trade-offs are bad.

00:26:03.300 All dying to yourself is bad because it's actually what is life-giving.

00:26:09.140 It is actually so much more fulfilling and so much more satisfying than just constantly

00:26:16.600 fulfilling your desires or chasing your dreams.

00:26:20.380 Those things can be good when they are in submission to God's will, but they cannot be supreme.

00:26:28.200 They cannot be number one.

00:26:29.480 And I'm actually really glad that Lily Allen was willing to say that and that she allowed

00:26:34.920 her childhood and the negatives that she experienced there to inform how she is parenting her children.

00:26:44.420 When you look at the Proverbs 31 woman, it really looks at the different responsibilities that she had, 0.97

00:26:52.220 not in one day, but throughout her life.

00:26:54.460 There are just different seasons.

00:26:55.940 There are different seasons for different yeses and different noes.

00:27:00.820 And yes, as women, our families, our children, as moms and wives, that is, they should absolutely come first.

00:27:09.300 And there will always be sacrifices to make.

00:27:12.520 And I think that looks differently in different stages of life.

00:27:17.140 It looks differently for different women. 0.99

00:27:19.100 It looks differently based on what God has called you to do and what he has equipped you to do.

00:27:27.020 But I do think it's clear that that comes first and there will be sacrifices in other areas, 100%.

00:27:33.640 And it is worth it.

00:27:35.080 It is worth, they are worth every single no that I have given to other things and continue to give

00:27:42.580 to other things, big no's and small no's so that I can be as, you know, present as I possibly can and still dedicate some time to this,

00:27:58.740 which I love and God has called me to and in this season has equipped me to do.

00:28:03.660 So anyway, I'm encouraged by someone kind of, I guess, in secular culture.

00:28:07.680 I don't really know what she believes, but just talking about this, talking about the importance and the necessity of sacrifice and giving up,

00:28:15.440 especially when it comes to raising children, just because it's difficult doesn't mean that it's wrong or that we should put it off.

00:28:23.260 Sacrifice is good and it's very life-giving.

00:28:25.280 Um, all right.

00:28:27.240 Um, and also like, I do just want to say this is such a counter to the, uh, this is such a counter to Olivia Rodrigo,

00:28:37.200 who is a singer who is giving the message to her young, young audience that yes, you should just do what's most convenient.

00:28:48.580 You should do what's easiest.

00:28:50.020 You should do what's, what feels good in the moment and you should only do what you want to do.

00:28:54.580 No matter what, no sacrifices, no commitment, no difficulty by passing out the plan B at her concert, as we talked about last week.

00:29:04.180 Crazy, crazy stuff out there.

00:29:06.760 Um, motherhood, I will just, I'll finish on this.

00:29:10.440 Motherhood is an extremely, extremely high calling.

00:29:13.900 Um, it's a calling by God.

00:29:16.840 Of course we know that, but also I do want to emphasize this, that, um,

00:29:22.260 it's not just like inconvenience and dying to self and discomfort.

00:29:26.160 It is also really fun.

00:29:28.840 It's also really fun and it's really joyful and it makes you, I think it makes you a better person.

00:29:36.400 I'm not saying that people who don't have kids are not good people or that they can't be awesome and generous and joyful and all of that,

00:29:44.200 but it is so sanctifying.

00:29:46.140 It is so incredibly sanctifying.

00:29:48.620 It causes you to have self-control and control your emotions and to be more patient.

00:29:55.440 It causes you to be more sympathetic and loving and compassionate.

00:30:01.620 Um, it causes you to be more creative.

00:30:03.520 It helps you become a better leader, a better manager of people.

00:30:06.960 It helps you understand and manage different personalities better.

00:30:10.840 Um, gosh, I can't even count all of the ways that motherhood has sanctified me, has sanctified, uh, the women around me.

00:30:19.480 And also it's just a good time.

00:30:21.980 Like it really is.

00:30:23.340 Not every moment is like the most fun or the easiest, but motherhood is such a good time.

00:30:30.480 And it is such a wonderful example of the gospel.

00:30:34.240 And you just have a whole different level of understanding of God's love for us.

00:30:38.600 When you have these little people who are walking around in front of you and you're like,

00:30:43.480 Oh my gosh, I would literally die for you a thousand times.

00:30:48.540 It's crazy.

00:30:49.320 It's crazy.

00:30:50.340 And the studies back up to that, um, parenting makes you happier in the long run.

00:30:56.560 It makes you happier.

00:30:57.400 It makes you more fulfilled.

00:30:58.360 It makes you more satisfied.

00:30:59.240 It makes you more successful holistically.

00:31:01.880 And so have kids, have kids.

00:31:04.040 As I've said many times, if you are married, have kids.

00:31:07.700 If you can, that could mean fostering and adopting.

00:31:10.720 That could mean having your own biological kids, but have children, um, don't put it 0.98

00:31:16.460 off for travel.

00:31:17.160 Don't put it off for your career.

00:31:18.460 Don't put it off for fear.

00:31:20.080 Don't put it off for comfort or convenience.

00:31:21.920 None of those are biblical reasons to put off having kids.

00:31:24.340 Go ahead, um, and have your kids.

00:31:27.560 And I've gotten many a sonogram picture over the years from people who, after they've, uh,

00:31:34.120 heard me or someone on this podcast say that, uh, say, okay, fine.

00:31:38.900 We decided to have kids and I just always praise God for those messages.

00:31:41.940 Um, okay.

00:31:43.240 Speaking of having kids and speaking of adoption and the importance of caring for children,

00:31:50.360 our next guest is amazing.

00:31:52.180 Leanne Jamison.

00:31:53.060 We've had her on before.

00:31:54.060 She is the director of a pregnancy center in Texas, Prestonwood pregnancy center.

00:31:59.020 You guys have donated many baby items and mom items to this pregnancy center in the past.

00:32:07.020 And she'll talk a little bit about that, but she's here today to talk about, um, some of

00:32:11.960 the updates in the abortion landscape and what pregnancy centers need, what they're seeing,

00:32:17.360 some of the new obstacles that they're facing.

00:32:19.360 Uh, but also she is going to, um, give us a whole lot of encouragement about how God is

00:32:26.920 moving through the obedience of his people, uh, by loving the most vulnerable.

00:32:33.300 And then she'll also talk about adoption and this adoption conference that's coming up,

00:32:38.380 uh, in Texas.

00:32:40.420 And she will have, uh, some, uh, a convicting message for all of us Christians, as we consider

00:32:47.160 how we can help the fatherless and help the orphan.

00:32:50.340 Leanne, thanks so much for taking the time to join us again.

00:33:05.400 I so appreciate it.

00:33:07.080 Um, I've already introduced you and you've been on the show before talking about your work

00:33:11.980 at the pregnancy center, uh, but give us again, just a lay of the land.

00:33:16.300 Now we are almost two years post the Dobbs decision, post the overturning of Roe, praise 0.64

00:33:22.780 God, um, working on the front lines at a pregnancy center. 0.98

00:33:26.060 What are you seeing?

00:33:28.020 Yeah, it, uh, it's interesting cause I, I mean, we all celebrate, uh, Roe v. Wade being overturned

00:33:35.220 and in states like Texas, the trigger law that went into effect making, um, abortion illegal

00:33:42.860 in the state.

00:33:44.400 Uh, but I have said, and I continue to say it, it may be illegal, but it is far from unattainable

00:33:51.660 and certainly not yet unthinkable.

00:33:54.360 And the unthinkable part is going to require spiritual revival in our nation.

00:33:59.420 Um, and the unattainable part, that's really what we're seeing in the pregnancy center right

00:34:05.320 now, we're seeing a lot, an increase in, um, chemical abortion and women accessing abortion, 0.99

00:34:13.280 uh, online and abortion pills, the abortion pill.

00:34:18.040 So they can order them online.

00:34:20.120 They show up at their front door.

00:34:21.960 They don't have to go to the doctor.

00:34:23.600 They do not.

00:34:24.220 And, uh, I mean, there's a website called plan C is an example, um, that for no to very

00:34:33.440 little cost, you can get those pills delivered to your home.

00:34:40.060 And, you know, uh, at the center, we, I mean, I had heard it was really simple and we have

00:34:47.400 a video coming out of us ordering the abortion pill online with little to no questions or

00:34:57.760 screening and within two days that those pills arrive.

00:35:02.940 And that's legal in the state of Texas.

00:35:05.500 Oh, it's tricky.

00:35:08.700 It's tricky.

00:35:09.880 I think this is, um, debatable.

00:35:13.440 I think it's, you know, it's a very hard thing to manage.

00:35:17.400 Um, you know, that is a question probably for our politicians as to where that all fits

00:35:23.460 in the trigger law and, you know, male order medications.

00:35:29.720 But at the center alley, what is most concerning to me is that we say, and certainly the other

00:35:37.320 side has really built the narrative around the fact of reproductive health and that we

00:35:43.620 care for the women and that, you know, we're concerned for their wellbeing with the implication

00:35:49.920 that pregnancy centers, pro-life centers do not.

00:35:55.100 And when we have women coming into the center who are bleeding or are struggling to know what

00:36:04.400 they took and what's happening and they bring in medication with the instructions in a foreign

00:36:10.860 language where they've had no...

00:36:14.180 Foreign to them? 0.99

00:36:15.000 Foreign to them. 1.00

00:36:15.380 Foreign to them. 1.00

00:36:15.680 Like that it's in English?

00:36:16.680 I mean, we've had someone come in with Russian.

00:36:19.340 Oh.

00:36:20.040 Yeah.

00:36:20.340 So where there's no, no explanation of the how, the concerns, what they should be looking

00:36:28.200 for.

00:36:28.560 That's not love.

00:36:29.900 That's not care for women. 1.00

00:36:31.300 That's not reproductive health. 1.00

00:36:33.640 And we're seeing quite a bit of that.

00:36:36.260 We're seeing women...

00:36:36.960 And they don't even have to get a sonogram to verify how far along they are.

00:36:40.660 And you're supposed to, supposed to take these pills within like the first six to eight weeks,

00:36:48.180 I believe, maybe even up to 12 weeks, though.

00:36:51.100 I'm not sure about that.

00:36:51.900 I'm pretty sure it's within the first 10 weeks at most.

00:36:53.980 Yes, at the most.

00:36:55.080 So, and you know, some women, if they haven't had a sonogram, they don't know how far along 0.99

00:36:59.540 they are.

00:37:00.320 I mean, this could be women 16 weeks pregnant trying to take this pill. 0.99

00:37:04.640 Absolutely.

00:37:06.300 And I mean, we know that.

00:37:07.820 We statistically, I mean, we saw in 30, almost 32,000 client visits last year at, at our centers.

00:37:15.700 And I can tell you that there is a large percentage of women that walk in our center that think 1.00

00:37:23.760 they're a certain, you know, that they're at a certain point in their pregnancy, when in

00:37:29.880 fact, they're much farther along.

00:37:32.040 And so to, to rely on a woman saying, you know, I'm pretty sure that this is when my 0.94

00:37:41.880 last first day of last miss period is, and I'm this far along, therefore I should be able

00:37:48.280 to take the abortion pill to not even have to talk to someone, but to be able to order

00:37:53.600 this online and have it come to the privacy of your home, you know, it's, it's, it's disturbing.

00:38:02.160 Yeah.

00:38:02.380 So you're seeing a lot of these women after they've taken the pills, they show up at your 0.72

00:38:07.800 center.

00:38:08.100 Um, yes.

00:38:09.320 So yeah, I mean, we have seen, because so many of these women have gotten the, the medication, 0.82

00:38:19.720 I hesitate.

00:38:20.880 It's not medication.

00:38:21.840 Let's call it the abortion pills, um, through a way where they're not getting any support

00:38:29.520 with a lot of fear and shame, they will show up at our, at our center.

00:38:36.440 Um, looking to know, like they're looking for, to know, was this effective?

00:38:42.700 Am I still pregnant?

00:38:43.980 Why am I bleeding?

00:38:45.280 Why am I having some of these issues?

00:38:47.660 To the point where right now, one of our major project projects this year is trying to figure

00:38:54.100 out how we provide care to those women, um, because Jesus is about restoration and redemption.

00:39:03.080 And we know we can take care of her emotionally and spiritually.

00:39:07.820 We have licensed professional counselors on staff and medical staff, um, that, you know,

00:39:14.040 can do those, that initial part.

00:39:17.160 But what we want to do is be able to really care for her, um, physical needs along with

00:39:23.240 her spiritual and her emotional.

00:39:24.940 So.

00:39:25.780 Right.

00:39:25.880 Wow.

00:39:26.360 So that's just kind of a new challenge that has unfolded in the last couple of years,

00:39:30.940 probably something that was pretty unforeseen after the overturning of Roe.

00:39:34.720 I think so.

00:39:35.800 I think for a little while, probably most of the pregnancy centers in states with, um,

00:39:43.520 trigger laws in place, or maybe very quickly put laws in place to eliminate abortion within

00:39:49.640 their borders, I think would tell you that we saw a dip.

00:39:53.300 We saw a different type of, we saw a different, maybe emotional state to the client.

00:39:59.000 We did a lot of education in those early months.

00:40:02.440 People did not truly understand what that meant and what it meant in their state and what was

00:40:09.800 next for them.

00:40:10.620 So we did a lot of education.

00:40:12.820 It was a lot of just empowerment and assurance and looking at those reasons why maybe they

00:40:20.960 were panicked about being pregnant.

00:40:22.640 And we've always done this, but helped them problem solve through it.

00:40:27.120 And, uh, and then, you know, for a while we saw a dip in the abortion rates.

00:40:31.780 I think, um, I think it was just maybe the other side getting some things put into place

00:40:39.420 that we now see easily found online and, uh, and it has increased, I mean, they're now reporting

00:40:49.240 an increase in abortion, particularly a chemical abortion, the abortion pills.

00:40:53.960 And I, I kind of believe that's underreported because I don't believe that sites or foreign

00:41:00.900 providers are reporting.

00:41:03.500 I know they're not reporting the numbers that they're providing.

00:41:06.420 So, and just remind us, um, besides this kind of post-abortive care, new kind of post-abortive

00:41:26.040 care that you guys are offering, what does a pregnancy center like yours really do? 0.97

00:41:32.560 Well, certainly that's our mission is to help those that find themselves in that unplanned

00:41:39.380 pregnancy, make a life affirming decision.

00:41:43.080 Um, you know, from, um, the moment, uh, that they believe that they might be pregnant, we're

00:41:51.640 there, we're available.

00:41:53.680 We do a lot of marketing to ensure that we position ourselves in a way that we're easily

00:41:59.740 found so that she comes to us.

00:42:02.600 We're a safe place, Allie Beth.

00:42:04.560 Like we, um, contrary to news reports out there, we provide love and truth and grace.

00:42:16.060 We are there merely to help them problem solve, to rather than have them react to their situation,

00:42:22.580 we want them to respond because reaction means that things like the abortion pill, that's

00:42:29.780 what they're feeding off of is this immediate panic and the fear.

00:42:34.880 And, you know, fear is a very uncomfortable emotion and it begs to be tended to.

00:42:41.540 And so we're just there to say, okay, let's take a breath and let's look at your situation,

00:42:47.900 not just the pregnancy, but the reasons why you're finding yourself in a pregnancy center

00:42:55.240 asking about abortion.

00:42:57.500 Let's look at those reasons because here's the truth.

00:43:01.380 Abortion doesn't take those reasons off the table. 1.00

00:43:03.940 That financial situation you're in, you're still going to be in that same financial situation,

00:43:09.340 if not possibly worse, or the relationship issues, you know, the fact that you're with

00:43:15.460 a guy that you don't want to be the parent father of this baby, then we need to talk about that.

00:43:22.960 Those circumstances, they're pushing them towards abortion.

00:43:26.260 And then what we find when we really sit with her and we just love her first, because she's

00:43:32.140 as much a life that has value and purpose that God sent his son to die on the cross for.

00:43:37.960 Then when we go to talk about, okay, let's now talk about this pregnancy.

00:43:44.100 She trusts us because she knows we're not the decision maker here.

00:43:49.360 You, she is, and we know we're not the heart changer.

00:43:52.760 Jesus is, and we're just a conduit.

00:43:55.840 And that means sometimes, praise Jesus.

00:44:00.680 We're seeing him work more often through us and we see success than not.

00:44:06.720 But that means sometimes you're loving her as she walks out the door and telling her,

00:44:13.140 we know this isn't what's best for you, but we love you and we're here for you.

00:44:19.800 And I think that's why sometimes when they're struggling, even years after.

00:44:27.120 We just this week had a woman call the center that was our client years ago that chose abortion. 1.00

00:44:35.540 And she's struggling right now in life with just a whole bunch of stuff.

00:44:40.160 She's not pregnant right now, but she doesn't know where to turn.

00:44:43.680 And who does she turn to but us?

00:44:46.780 And, um, and she wants to come in and talk about Jesus.

00:44:51.680 And that's pretty amazing.

00:44:53.740 That is pretty amazing.

00:44:54.700 I'm sure that Planned Parenthood don't get me many calls.

00:44:58.760 They probably don't, um, receive a whole lot of requests for counseling years after someone got an abortion.

00:45:04.360 And even if they did, they wouldn't have any resources for them.

00:45:08.680 I would say there's a difference between being transactional and transformational.

00:45:13.700 And that requires Jesus.

00:45:16.360 So, yeah, we're still doing sonograms and we're doing pregnancy tests and we are growing.

00:45:21.960 All kinds of things for them.

00:45:23.680 Yes.

00:45:24.060 The resource center.

00:45:25.580 The resource center.

00:45:26.320 That's beautiful.

00:45:26.720 Which you guys are amazingly supportive of.

00:45:29.580 In fact, actually, just to give you an update on that, because you and your, your listeners have been such an incredible support to our resource center.

00:45:38.540 A couple of just amazing things.

00:45:40.520 One was we, um, well, we kind of made a mistake, actually, Alliebeth.

00:45:45.460 We put out just a general call of like, hey, we've got some toys used, gently used, and, you know, come in.

00:45:53.160 And we'll give you a $30, 30 point credit at the, at the resource center, because everything's free, um, there.

00:46:01.620 And you can come pick a Christmas gift for your child.

00:46:05.680 So it was supposed to start at nine o'clock.

00:46:08.780 We arrive at 830, because we'd already set up and we were ready.

00:46:12.220 And the lineup was around the block.

00:46:15.500 Wow.

00:46:15.740 And we were completely cleared out of everything.

00:46:21.280 The needs, the needs were so great.

00:46:24.400 They were heartbroken.

00:46:25.500 I, we were all assuming, okay, it's such an opportunity to get your little one a toy.

00:46:30.040 But they were there because it, Christmas is hard and it's expensive.

00:46:36.200 And they were needing diapers and wipes and formula and just basic items.

00:46:42.200 Not just a toy.

00:46:42.800 And that's when we reached out to you and you responded.

00:46:47.240 And I'm sure a lot of your, uh, your listeners notice our list was really just basic needs.

00:46:56.440 And again, I love that when Amazon calls us to say, okay, we've got two truckloads of items for you.

00:47:08.240 Do you realize how much that is?

00:47:09.900 And are you capable of receiving this, that, that blesses our clients?

00:47:16.180 But I just want to thank you and your listeners because she blessed the staff.

00:47:20.720 It was, oh, it makes me cry.

00:47:22.900 It was probably the greatest Christmas gift I received this year was, um, getting to go over there and open boxes.

00:47:32.460 And just, I mean, I, at one point, one of my staff walked in and I was holding shampoo, like shampoo, just thinking, Lord, you know, we needed, we need shampoo.

00:47:45.320 We need, you know, we needed all this stuff.

00:47:47.220 So thank you.

00:47:48.640 This, um, the 27th of March, we had gotten a gift of used, um, I think they're called umbrella strollers, right?

00:47:59.280 The really little, like easy to pack up ones.

00:48:02.380 Yeah.

00:48:02.480 So we had a gift of some used ones and, uh, I, I think a hundred.

00:48:09.380 And so we decided to do, yeah, they were, they were ones that were lost at the airport or left.

00:48:16.800 And so the agency that recovers that stuff and resells it, they, apparently they don't sell.

00:48:23.500 So their loss, our benefit, I'm so grateful for them, um, being pro-life and Christian.

00:48:30.960 Uh, they were able to give us a hundred of these umbrella strollers.

00:48:35.460 So we're doing something called a stroll in the park.

00:48:39.020 And so we put out the notice that we have a hundred spots and I mean, within an hour or two, it was full.

00:48:46.040 So that's going to be an exciting morning for us when we're going to make it fun and we're in the park and they're going to come pick up their strollers with their little ones.

00:48:55.740 So thank you for your support on that.

00:48:57.940 Well, my audience really is, I can brag on them.

00:49:01.480 They're amazing and so generous.

00:49:02.900 And all I ever have to do is post a link and say, here's the Amazon registry.

00:49:09.260 This pregnancy center needs help. 1.00

00:49:11.620 And it's amazing.

00:49:13.040 They just step up.

00:49:14.220 That's all they need.

00:49:14.960 They don't need nagging.

00:49:16.180 They don't need a bunch of prompting from me.

00:49:18.600 They are willing and ready to help.

00:49:20.620 And, you know, there are a lot of bad things about technology and big companies like Amazon.

00:49:25.180 They don't always share our values.

00:49:26.880 No.

00:49:27.100 But what a redemptive way to use that service.

00:49:30.500 It really makes it so easy.

00:49:32.340 And so I just want to thank my audience for being as great and as generous as they are because they are always happy to step up.

00:49:38.980 And they love to see the pictures of the Amazon boxes.

00:49:42.620 I love when y'all send those to me, just the rooms and like rooms filled.

00:49:47.080 And I love the story, too, of a couple of years ago.

00:49:51.500 Didn't you tell me that the Amazon driver who delivered all these packages because of my generous audience that you guys share the gospel with him and he came to Christ in the parking lot?

00:50:03.880 I mean, they still, it is, that's, I mean, there's just when the Lord and his people move, the unforeseen touches.

00:50:14.940 And I mean, it is unbelievable to the drivers what is happening.

00:50:20.880 And we get to tell the story because, you know, they're trying to figure it out as they're unloading all of these goods.

00:50:28.020 So thank you.

00:50:29.400 But yeah, we are, and you and your listeners, we're not pro-birth.

00:50:34.600 We are pro-life.

00:50:36.200 And that's just a tangible evidence of it.

00:50:40.160 Yeah.

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00:51:45.700 You know, I love to retell the story that you told on this show a couple of years ago of a woman who came in pregnant.

00:51:57.360 She chose life.

00:51:58.600 Y'all built a relationship with her.

00:52:00.100 And she wanted someone to be with her at the birth.

00:52:03.960 And there were, you showed up at the hospital.

00:52:07.440 She had been sent home, but the hospital told you, hey, she needs a car seat. 1.00

00:52:12.180 She didn't have a car seat.

00:52:13.540 You showed up to give her her car seat at her apartment to make sure that she would have that to be able to bring her baby home when she really did go into labor.

00:52:22.000 And you noticed that her apartment was pretty bare, that she didn't have any of the things that she needed.

00:52:29.060 And then God's people showed up.

00:52:32.380 Volunteers showed up.

00:52:33.420 Friends showed up.

00:52:34.300 They, I believe, stocked her fridge, furnished her apartment.

00:52:38.600 And she saw the love of Christ.

00:52:41.880 She then gave her life to Christ and was baptized.

00:52:44.560 She had a beautiful, healthy baby.

00:52:45.820 And I love to tell, I love to tell that story because, and I always, I always cry when I do, because that is such a tangible example of what pro-lifers everywhere, not just y'all.

00:52:58.960 That's not rare.

00:53:00.120 That happens regularly among pro-life Christians in every city, in every state across the country.

00:53:06.980 And we were talking before the camera started rolling, just a few updates from her in that particular story, if you want to share that.

00:53:16.040 Yeah, two updates.

00:53:17.860 One was, the second part of that story is, I think it's just a lesson for the church.

00:53:26.580 And by the church, I mean believers.

00:53:31.120 And really a call to action.

00:53:34.060 When her daughter was, I guess, about a year and a half old, it was time for baby dedication at the church that we took her to, Prestonwood Baptist Church.

00:53:46.120 And the pastor that was doing that dedication that day knew her story.

00:53:52.680 And I had really, you know, brought him into her life as well.

00:53:57.160 And so she, she loved him, listened to his sermons and, you know, really had connected with him.

00:54:03.640 And so he, he called her and called me and said, do you think she'd be willing to have me during the dedication share just a little of her story?

00:54:16.440 And she said, absolutely, yes.

00:54:19.160 And so my husband and I, we were her people.

00:54:24.240 We're, we're, we love her dearly.

00:54:26.360 And so she asked us to be her people on the front row, her family.

00:54:31.420 And it was just such a moment, just, oh gosh, God's grace to, you know, pregnancy centers could be a really hard place to sometimes be and work and be called to.

00:54:41.720 But these are the moments, these are just God's, you know, just, you can feel his joy.

00:54:50.500 And so it's her turn and she walks in with her little one and my heart is just like beating.

00:54:58.480 And the pastor has them turn on his mic and he says to the church, introduces her and says, I just want to let you know that she came to us through the Prestonwood Pregnancy Center and just how brave she is and the decision she made.

00:55:19.180 And we are, he just looked at her and said, we are so proud of you.

00:55:21.980 And I, I could, I was sitting in the front row, but I could feel it.

00:55:28.080 The whole congregation rose to their feet and started, I know her story, and started to clap.

00:55:36.620 And I watched the shame fall off of her in that moment.

00:55:43.020 And I thought to myself, if this was the way the church responded to every young person that finds themselves in an unintended or in a circumstance like a crisis pregnancy, an unplanned pregnancy.

00:56:07.400 If we were the type of pregnancy, if we were the type of people that always celebrated the, the decision for life, I'm not saying that we have to celebrate how that situation came to be, but we can celebrate her and the brave decision that she made that might help eliminate abortion in our nation.

00:56:28.800 But I just watched, so anyways, the other day I was, um, you know, we probably, I get to touch base with her now, um, every, maybe every few months, maybe every six months.

00:56:41.580 And, um, but I hadn't seen her in, it was probably six or seven months.

00:56:46.100 Her daughter is now in elementary school and she's doing awesome.

00:56:50.800 She's awesome and yeah, she's creative and just beautiful. 0.75

00:56:55.920 And, you know, she showed, she came to my office about a year ago with her mama and, um, just so smart.

00:57:04.360 I feel like a grandma.

00:57:05.860 Do I sound like a grandma?

00:57:07.160 No.

00:57:07.760 So, um, but the other day I had to go to the doctor's appointment and so I valeted my car.

00:57:13.040 Don't judge me.

00:57:13.880 It was running late.

00:57:14.940 And, um, so I pull up and I didn't realize, I didn't notice the valet driver and I come out and it's the client and she just yells and screams and runs over to me and she's hugging me and she's crying.

00:57:29.360 Now there are people that are busy downtown hospital lining up for their cars and she's telling them that her whole story and she's crying and she's saying, you don't understand.

00:57:39.400 I've got my daughter because of her.

00:57:42.320 And I'm like, no, no, no, no, it's not because of me.

00:57:44.940 It's because of her and her brave choice.

00:57:47.280 And people are crying.

00:57:48.580 Like they're all just crying and they're like, it's okay.

00:57:51.380 Take your time.

00:57:52.940 Um, yeah, she's doing so well.

00:57:56.940 My goodness.

00:57:57.140 She's not easy. 0.95

00:57:58.580 I'm not going to say this is easy.

00:58:01.080 She's working valet to try to support her daughter in a way that she can be at home as much as possible with her.

00:58:10.700 And that gives her flexibility, but it's certainly still tough.

00:58:15.400 Yeah.

00:58:16.080 My goodness.

00:58:16.760 You know, that reminds me when you're talking about the congregation standing up and clapping for her.

00:58:22.240 It's just an earthly reflection of what the angels do when a sinner repents.

00:58:27.320 That's what Jesus says that the angels rejoice when a sinner repents.

00:58:32.860 And that is such a beautiful earthly example of that celebration.

00:58:38.780 We celebrate the affirmation of life and choosing life that God puts before us.

00:58:43.960 Oh, my goodness.

00:58:44.900 Yeah.

00:58:45.060 So that's just a tiny snippet.

00:58:46.800 That's a tiny snippet of what Christian pregnancy centers do across the country that God is doing through them.

00:58:52.520 And it's so encouraging because if we were to get all of our news or our understanding of what's happening in the world from Twitter, from social media, from the headlines, we would just think that everything is exclusively bad, that the world is going to hell in a handbasket.

00:59:10.500 And as you've articulated, like things are hard.

00:59:13.680 Evil still happens.

00:59:15.220 Sin still persists.

00:59:17.140 We still have Satan doing his work.

00:59:20.380 All that is happening.

00:59:21.720 But God is moving.

00:59:23.860 God is working.

00:59:24.300 Greater is he that is in us than is in the world.

00:59:27.640 Yes.

00:59:28.100 And amen.

00:59:28.960 Yeah.

00:59:29.280 And I love that about pregnancy centers across our nation.

00:59:34.280 I get to spend a lot of time with pregnancy center directors.

00:59:37.900 I get to go help now across this nation and I get to see the incredible work, the incredible people that the Lord has called to do this work.

00:59:51.740 And they're not there for the pay and they're not there for the accolades.

01:00:01.100 In fact, so many centers in parts of this nation are actually under attack.

01:00:07.000 It's getting and going to get harder to be a pregnancy center in America unless we see some changes in the federal government. 0.63

01:00:18.920 The current administration does not love us and are not supportive of us and see us as I think the word hate speech has been used and just don't get us.

01:00:34.220 But when I walk into a pregnancy center and I watch the love and the care, they're the ones that are problem solving the situation, that are reaching out to other ministries and other nonprofits, that are going the distance, that are not giving up, that are not transactional.

01:00:53.220 I think, thank you to the Lord, that there are pregnancy centers across this nation doing such incredible, powerful work.

01:01:02.860 And again, I challenge your listeners to find that local center, to go ask for a tour and to support them with their time, their resources, and most certainly their prayer.

01:01:16.440 Tell us about the Chosen Conference that's coming up.

01:01:21.020 Well, talking about the church and the opportunity to be the church.

01:01:26.420 I am on a steering committee for the Chosen Conference.

01:01:30.940 It is really the first type of conference like what I'm about to describe in our nation.

01:01:38.660 The plan is that this will be offered in other churches around the nation.

01:01:44.120 But what it is, is it is an opportunity for the church to come together and to be equipped, to be enabled, to be empowered on the issues of adoption and foster care.

01:02:02.420 In our nation, Allie Beth, there are over, I believe the last statistic I saw was over 400,000 children in foster care.

01:02:17.160 117,000 are waiting for a permanent home.

01:02:24.160 Three in every 1,000 children will end up in foster care in our nation.

01:02:29.440 Wow.

01:02:30.000 Just like the congregation that stood in that moment and provided such incredible healing, this is an opportunity for the church to do this again in a tangible way, to stand up and to provide for these children.

01:02:48.680 An opportunity for them to feel seen and loved and cared for.

01:02:57.860 Sometimes I'll even use the word redeemed.

01:03:00.000 And, I mean, it's an opportunity for us to bring the mission field into the four walls of our home.

01:03:08.140 And so this is a conference that is going to engage.

01:03:12.700 It's going to engage churches.

01:03:14.620 There will be educational opportunities for churches from anywhere that wants to come.

01:03:20.420 To be able to learn about starting their own adoption and foster care ministries.

01:03:29.080 It's going to be an opportunity for people to come.

01:03:32.180 Whether or not you've ever thought of adopting or fostering, I would ask that you just pray,

01:03:40.060 Lord, what do you want me to do?

01:03:42.360 It's a pro-life issue.

01:03:43.900 This is a pro-life issue.

01:03:47.120 And we don't care just about babies at the point of conception.

01:03:54.400 We care for people right through until the Lord decides it's their time to go home or the end of their life.

01:04:02.780 That's where we have to advocate.

01:04:04.120 We have to stand.

01:04:05.820 And so this is an opportunity for us as a church to come and to say, Lord, what do you want me to do in this arena?

01:04:13.880 I know my husband and I right now are praying about that very issue for our own family.

01:04:19.660 What does that look like?

01:04:20.840 Yes, we're empty nesters.

01:04:22.420 And I'm in the golden years of grandparenting.

01:04:25.260 The best.

01:04:26.080 But what does that look like?

01:04:29.760 How am I supposed to?

01:04:30.740 Am I supposed to foster?

01:04:32.600 Am I supposed to support families that are fostering?

01:04:36.820 What does that look like?

01:04:37.820 So we will be there not only because I'm on the steering committee, but also to learn about what's next.

01:04:43.700 And there will be things like a resource fair there where there will be adoption agencies and funders and lots of people from different areas of the pro-life world that will be able to also help equip those in attendance.

01:05:00.480 So they can register at prestonwood.org forward slash chosen.

01:05:06.040 And the speakers at this are Sadie Robertson Huff and her mom, Corey Robertson from Duck Dynasty fame.

01:05:17.900 We've got the governor is coming to speak.

01:05:21.020 We have Greg Mott from Houston coming up.

01:05:25.340 We have, oh my gosh, there's just so many incredible and many, many breakouts sessions as well.

01:05:34.620 I'll be speaking on how you evaluate a good adoption agency.

01:05:39.860 What does that look like?

01:05:40.880 And so, yeah, God tells us, James 1, 27 says that our faith, it's purest when we are taking care of the fatherless and the widow in their greatest need.

01:06:00.380 And, you know, he tells us all through his word that he is a father to the fatherless and a defender of the weak.

01:06:08.480 And you can find that in the Psalms.

01:06:10.920 And I think we reflect his character when we're willingly stepping out and trying to figure out how do we fit in this?

01:06:19.140 Yes, yes, yes, and amen.

01:06:21.540 Well, I'm so excited for that.

01:06:22.900 So everyone, you already said the link, but we'll put it in the description on this episode, too.

01:06:27.820 So people can click on it.

01:06:29.500 And if they're able to get there, then, yes.

01:06:32.740 Come, it's, you know, $25, but it starts at 830 in the morning.

01:06:38.300 It goes till 630 at night.

01:06:40.360 We are not necessarily will you come for the whole day, but you might, you know, you might choose which workshops and which speakers that you want to hear.

01:06:50.080 There is information at that website as well.

01:06:54.360 So they can look at the workshops and kind of plan out their time.

01:06:58.760 I'm so proud of this.

01:07:01.120 The goal is, like I said, for the church to step in.

01:07:04.940 And I think I told you over 400,000 children in foster care, children who need someone to love them.

01:07:18.900 The government does a great job of removing kids from harm and providing resources, but they don't do,

01:07:26.660 and nor should they do, the job of personal care and compassion and community and family.

01:07:37.720 And that's, we know this best.

01:07:39.780 We're believers.

01:07:41.560 Yes, and amen.

01:07:42.500 Well, thank you so much, Leanne.

01:07:43.760 I really appreciate you taking the time to come on.

01:07:46.020 Oh, thanks for having me, Allie Beth.

01:07:47.860 And thanks to your listeners.

01:07:49.400 They're, I mean, you're pretty lucky.

01:07:52.400 They're pretty good.

01:07:53.080 They're the best.

01:07:53.280 They are.

01:07:53.740 They really are.

01:07:54.800 I love being on here for that.

01:07:56.460 It's just true.

01:07:57.800 It's just true.

01:07:58.440 Well, thank you.

01:07:59.600 Thank you so much.

Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey - March 19, 2024

Ep 970 ｜ Katespiracy Update & Why You Can’t Have It All ｜ Guest： Leanne Jamieson

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