Ep 988 | Mark Driscoll Calls Out Christian Strip Tease
Episode Stats
Words per Minute
158.93799
Summary
Pastor Mark Driscoll was kicked off the stage at a Christian men s conference after criticizing a sword swallowing performance that appeared like something from a strip club. Also, the golden bachelor and his new woman have called it quits and are getting a divorce. We ve also got a pit bull update and a few more things to discuss on today s episode of Relatable.
Transcript
00:00:00.560
Mark Driscoll was called off the stage at a men's conference over the weekend when he
00:00:05.440
criticized the conference for hosting what kind of looked like a strip tease on stage.
00:00:11.440
Also, the golden bachelor and his new woman have called it quits.
00:00:18.380
We've also got a pit bull update and a few more things to discuss on today's episode
00:00:41.420
All right, you guys have been asking me to talk about this Mark Driscoll situation, and
00:00:47.780
I'm sorry that I have kept you waiting for as long as I have, but I've got a take on
00:00:54.080
If you have no idea what I'm talking about, don't worry.
00:00:58.880
Those of you who kind of know what I'm talking about, you've probably just seen the names
00:01:04.180
like Mark Driscoll, Stripper, Church, kicked off stage, and you're like, do I even want
00:01:16.800
It's not as bad, and also it's simultaneously worse than you might be thinking.
00:01:24.080
This is summarized from Newsweek as well as Western Journal.
00:01:27.400
So Pastor Mark Driscoll, you probably know him from rising to prominence several years
00:01:35.800
ago, probably between 15 and 20 years ago when he was a pastor of Mars Hill, and that
00:01:44.440
was a big church out of Seattle that he was the head of.
00:01:49.740
Of course, there was a lot of controversy surrounding his leadership and some of the things that he
00:01:57.700
But he is a pastor, again, not at Mars Hill, but at a different church, and he has kind
00:02:03.300
of been reintroduced into the public sphere recently.
00:02:07.440
I would call him definitely a conservative Christian.
00:02:15.520
So I'm sure that there are plenty of things that he and I agree on.
00:02:19.600
I know that there is because I follow him and I see that, but then there are also theological
00:02:27.080
And this particular instance involving Mark Driscoll is going viral, and I think for good
00:02:36.520
And I kind of, I think, have a different take on it than what I've seen on the internet
00:02:42.500
So first, let me finish my summary, and then I'll get to that.
00:02:45.300
So he was kicked off stage at a Christian men's conference after criticizing a sword-swallowing
00:02:51.580
performance that appeared like something from a strip club.
00:02:58.460
The Stronger Men's Conference that was held at the Great Southern Bank Arena in Springfield,
00:03:06.040
There, Mark Driscoll began his talk by criticizing an earlier performance at the conference by
00:03:20.160
It often includes big names like Louis Giglio, Kirk Cousins, other people that maybe you've
00:03:29.540
And then the host of the conference is John Lindell.
00:03:32.200
I hadn't heard about John Lindell from some of the messages that you've sent me.
00:03:38.240
I would say the feeling from my audience, just from the messages that I've received, is not
00:03:47.680
And after seeing kind of this whole interaction in this conference, I would probably be on
00:03:52.840
One of the most anticipated features of the event is the Friday night entertainment, which
00:04:00.740
is included in the past, professional bull riding, motocross, BMX competition, and professional
00:04:08.800
During the Friday night performance of this year's conference, Alex Magala, I think that's
00:04:14.460
how you pronounce his name, took off his shirt, climbed a pole on stage, and swallowed
00:04:52.820
Daily Mail also noted that he is, he was a finalist on America's Got Talent, and when
00:05:01.820
he was not doing like sword swallowing and scaling poles, he is a stripper.
00:05:10.140
That is who this Christian conference decided to hire for their Friday night entertainment.
00:05:15.620
Now, Mark Driscoll, when it was his turn to give his talk at this conference, he decided
00:05:24.840
that he was going to call out what he called the Jezebel spirit of this performance.
00:05:32.500
In front of that was a man who ripped his shirt off, like a woman does in front of a pole
00:05:53.120
And then he swallowed a sword, and Jesus cried.
00:06:08.420
So if you can't hear everything that was happening there, there is a voice, it sounds like from
00:06:15.920
So that was John Lindell, the host of this conference.
00:06:19.320
And that's why Pastor Mark said, okay, I received that.
00:06:23.840
And then he picked up his Bible, he got off stage.
00:06:26.020
And then I saw another club that was going around that there was like a huge ruckus after
00:06:29.980
I don't know exactly what the men in the audience were responding to, but there was a lot of yelling.
00:06:35.160
There was a lot of like, getting up, it looks like some people were leaving, people were
00:06:40.720
Now, maybe some people were angry at Mark Driscoll.
00:06:45.400
John Lindell ended up going on stage to try to defend himself, like why he called Mark off
00:06:51.800
He said, he said, I talked to Mark for a half hour.
00:07:06.080
You may not agree with him, but we are brothers in Christ.
00:07:10.380
Of course, he cited Matthew 18, which basically says, look, if you've got a problem with a
00:07:16.040
brother in Christ, you need to go to that brother first.
00:07:20.300
That's why he said that Mark Driscoll was out of line.
00:07:23.860
He should have handled it correctly, whether you agree with the content of either of their
00:07:45.560
So later in the conference, John Lindell and Mark Driscoll returned to the stage to discuss
00:07:50.660
Driscoll apologized and said he should have talked to Lindell first.
00:07:54.440
It's kind of difficult to hear the audio that we saw.
00:07:57.420
So we're kind of like summarizing what was happening.
00:08:02.120
He said, you want to know what John the Baptist was like?
00:08:06.600
Driscoll apologizes for calling out the way he did and should have gotten permission from
00:08:11.800
His words of the event, Mark describes what he was thinking as he got on stage.
00:08:19.960
At this point, someone from the crowd yelled, Mark, you're right.
00:08:26.220
What we're going to do is model how brothers in the Lord do reconciliation.
00:08:31.140
So I know that there are a lot of disagreements and a lot of complaints that people have about
00:08:37.500
We're not going to get into all of those right now.
00:08:39.800
I just want to focus on what happened here and kind of what people are saying and then
00:08:47.620
So some people are saying that this was all scripted.
00:08:50.180
This was just a way for Mark Driscoll to grift and to get attention and to make it seem
00:08:56.280
like he has this like sincere, godly posture and that he saw this as an opportunity to
00:09:06.620
Some people are saying that it's staged between the two to try to go viral on social media.
00:09:12.560
I saw some takes saying that there's no way that Mark Driscoll wouldn't have already known
00:09:17.380
going into the conference that this guy was going to be ascending, um, uh, ascending a
00:09:31.940
And then he saw it as an opportunity to, you know, present himself as the prophetic voice
00:09:42.140
And I don't have any inside information, but I've spoken at a lot of conferences, a lot
00:09:48.080
of events and a lot of churches as, as someone who also speaks a lot, I can almost guarantee
00:09:57.200
that Mark Driscoll did not know that there was going to be that kind of entertainment on
00:10:03.700
There would have really been no reason for him to know that.
00:10:07.000
He probably has either a speaking agent or, uh, an assistant or a team of people who handles
00:10:19.300
He probably knew who was speaking and he probably did approve of all of those things, or he entrusted
00:10:24.920
his team with the responsibility to check all those things out.
00:10:28.560
There would have really been, and maybe I'm wrong on this, but again, just speaking from
00:10:32.280
my own personal experience, there would have really been no reason for John Lindell or any
00:10:37.860
other person at the conference to run by the Friday night entertainment, uh, or run by Mark
00:10:49.240
Personally, I think that he was genuine in the moment calling out something that he saw as
00:11:02.920
It is apparently very publicly known that he was a local stripper.
00:11:06.980
There was no reason to get a stripper to come on stage, to take off part of his clothes and
00:11:19.200
There's all kinds of entertainment that you could do and then swallow a sword.
00:11:27.200
And there's no place for that at a church conference.
00:11:31.880
I mean, we can kind of have our disagreements about whether a church conference should even
00:11:41.920
I think as long as the entertainment is glorifying to God and is relevant, okay, but this wasn't.
00:11:49.240
It's not glorifying to God to basically do some kind of strange form of a striptease at
00:11:55.660
And so I agree with what Mark Driscoll said that was wrong.
00:11:59.440
Now, I do take issue and maybe in context, if he and I were talking about this, I wouldn't
00:12:13.900
And he led a host of captives, as we read, for example, in Ephesians 4, 8.
00:12:20.680
And so that part, like, I kind of take issue with.
00:12:23.320
But he was in the moment trying to explain that this is not a representation of the humility
00:12:29.260
that Jesus showed and that we are also supposed to humiliate.
00:12:33.800
And also, like I said, there is like this weird sexual stripper-like aspect to it.
00:12:38.840
And I happen to think, like, this is the more charitable reading, and I don't know Mark
00:12:45.200
But it just seemed to me that in the moment, he really was deciding whether or not he was
00:12:54.240
So while it may be true that he should have talked to the conference host first, I think
00:13:00.680
that probably would have been the better way to go.
00:13:05.180
I don't think that he got up there and thought, I'm going to create this viral moment, and
00:13:24.720
And I think it just, in his mind in that moment, it was just too much for him not to address
00:13:31.160
or he felt like it would be hypocritical for him to talk about, you know, a Jezebel spirit
00:13:36.640
and sexual immorality and the kind of degeneracy that has taken over our culture and has even
00:13:43.340
deceived many men and women in the church without calling out the fact that a portion of that
00:13:48.980
was at the very conference where he is speaking.
00:13:52.420
I think he was trying to be consistent and to be honest in this moment.
00:14:02.840
And whatever disagreements I have with both of them and this conference, I do think them
00:14:08.700
coming back up there and having some form of reconciliation and showing people how to
00:14:15.660
But I kind of, I wish the host would have had the humility to say, you know what?
00:14:22.940
Not only do I admire him in general, I admire him in this specific moment because he was
00:14:29.300
We shouldn't have had that Friday night entertainment.
00:14:35.740
He stripped like he knew what he was doing on the stage of this Christian conference.
00:14:41.500
He should have gotten up like during the Friday night entertainment and been like, that's
00:14:49.280
So it wasn't that John Lindell was willing to stop Mark Driscoll from telling the truth
00:14:57.880
about the pseudo striptease, but he was not willing to stop the pseudo striptease.
00:15:04.120
So Mark Driscoll had to get off the stage for speaking that truth, but the stripper didn't
00:15:11.500
So it's just a little weird, I think, like what the what the standard is.
00:15:16.240
You're willing to kind of, I don't know, equivocate, it seems like, on a display of
00:15:24.400
But when it comes to being criticized or called out in what he considered to be an imperfect
00:15:36.600
And I think when we demand, this is a bigger issue, when we demand to be entertained by
00:15:44.060
all of the flashing lights and all of the glittery splendor and the overstimulation that
00:15:54.540
we are used to when we're watching a movie or scrolling on our phones.
00:16:00.220
That is when I think that we are going to start to see compromise, because you've got
00:16:03.960
to get bigger and better every Sunday, every year.
00:16:06.800
That's what we see at Elevation Churches, what we see at Mike Todd's Church.
00:16:10.100
So what we see at a lot of like prosperity-centric churches is that expositing the word and simple
00:16:18.540
verse-by-verse exegetical preaching isn't, they think it's not enough for people.
00:16:26.640
If you've ever gone to John MacArthur's church, I personally haven't before.
00:16:30.660
Of course, he preaches exegetically, verse-by-verse, but I have friends who attend that church.
00:16:35.920
I have friends who have visited that church recently.
00:16:40.500
It is also one of the most ethnically and economically diverse churches, I would say,
00:16:50.800
All he does is every Sunday preach verse-by-verse, and it is overflowing with Christians who just
00:17:01.900
They don't want every sermon to be about them, to be about their feelings, to sit around them.
00:17:08.320
And some preachers, like the ones I listed, you know, like Furtick and the like, they think
00:17:18.820
that their audience has to be entertained, and then maybe one day they will be entertained
00:17:29.880
Whatever you win people with, you win them too.
00:17:33.780
And so I know the argument is, well, if we make things flashy and exciting, at least
00:17:41.460
But they are coming into church to see the flashy and exciting, not to hear the gospel.
00:17:53.060
So we win people to church with the aroma of Christ.
00:17:56.440
That doesn't mean that we can't have wonderful artistic performances.
00:17:59.900
That can't mean that we can't allow people within the church who have those giftings to
00:18:04.440
use them at Sunday service for the glory of God.
00:18:10.920
I think the graphic design and whatever technology is used should be used in an excellent way to
00:18:25.700
It should all be pointing to Christ, not trying to overshadow the gospel in the hopes that
00:18:32.000
someone will be able to pull back the curtain one day and see the truth of Jesus.
00:18:43.540
And I also want to say, this is something that I meant to say when we talked about Stephen
00:18:47.120
Furtick on Monday or whenever it was, Tuesday, that I do think that pastors, as I said, should
00:18:57.340
be understated in their appearance when they're on stage.
00:19:00.320
I also think that goes for like all the pyrotechnics and like all of that.
00:19:08.140
I'm not saying that you can have like a little bit of fog machine, but not too much.
00:19:12.000
I'm not saying that there are hard and fast rules about that.
00:19:14.540
But I do think things should be beautiful, yet understated.
00:19:18.220
And that includes how the pastor addresses himself.
00:19:21.820
I think it should be respectful, but I think it should communicate humility and dignity,
00:19:28.820
And I think that also the mentality should be, I want to do everything in my power to not
00:19:38.000
tempt anyone in my congregation to covetousness or to envy or to greed.
00:19:45.860
Now, everyone's sins are their own responsibility through the power of the Spirit to fight.
00:19:51.140
But in the same way that we are to dress modestly just to do everything that we can within our
00:19:56.820
power, not to provoke someone to lust, even though that lust is ultimately their responsibility.
00:20:03.300
So I think we also dress ourselves with the desire to display humility rather than the
00:20:10.160
desire to have someone be jealous of us, of what we can afford and what we can wear.
00:20:16.800
And it is an irresponsible act, I think, as a pastor.
00:20:20.760
I'm thinking of the ones that we've talked about, like with preachers and sneakers, to wear
00:20:25.640
these kinds of flashy clothes so that people will look at them and say, I want that.
00:20:36.000
You are leading them as sheep to the slaughter.
00:20:40.200
You are not protecting them from the wolves of greed and covetousness.
00:20:44.880
And that is a really scary prospect when you consider, as the book of James tells us, that
00:20:50.340
teachers are going to be judged more harshly than everyone else.
00:20:55.260
So I just think that's something to consider whenever we are looking at all of this flashy
00:21:02.080
It's not enough to just say, well, it might meet some people where they are and be seeker
00:21:08.260
There's a way we can be excellent and beautiful and entertaining and still point to Christ rather
00:21:13.560
than draw people away from him like through a freaking striptease at a men's conference.
00:21:21.900
There's a lot more probably that we could say about it, but that's all I got.
00:21:27.980
Again, I know there's a larger conversation to have about that people, you know, want to
00:21:33.080
hear about Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill and all of that.
00:21:35.680
And, you know, maybe we can talk about that one day.
00:21:56.160
The Golden Bachelor and his woman have already called it quits.
00:22:05.200
At this point, okay, Golden Bachelor, you just need to write it out.
00:22:08.040
Okay, like, what is the point of getting a divorce?
00:22:12.080
Like, are you going to go through the process and get like you went through all of this?
00:22:17.060
You broke all of those women's hearts and you chose this woman, Teresa, which from the
00:22:23.660
beginning, my friend and I were like, not that lady.
00:22:29.080
You should have listened to us and you might not be in this situation.
00:22:33.180
I don't remember the lady's name that you should have chosen, but I also knew from the
00:22:36.360
beginning, I think she's the one that like, played the guitar or something.
00:22:39.560
I honestly only watched like the first three or so episodes because the friend that I was
00:22:43.400
watching it with, she ended up having her baby, rude.
00:22:48.020
And then we didn't, we couldn't, well, I didn't want to watch it by myself.
00:22:52.240
So I stopped after like a third episode, but I knew from the beginning it shouldn't have
00:22:57.340
Here they are, Jerry and Teresa announcing their divorce.
00:23:03.180
And we've kind of come to the conclusion mutually that it's probably time for us to
00:23:18.420
I think we just feel like it's best for the happiness of each of us to, to live apart.
00:23:31.200
I like how the journalist had to be like, get a divorce, dissolve your marriage.
00:23:38.180
You think it's better for the happiness of both of you.
00:23:41.180
So what they found out after they got married on television in January, after a whirlwind
00:23:45.640
romance through the golden bachelors, that they don't like each other.
00:23:50.000
I mean, if you find out after a couple months, we made a mistake.
00:23:57.920
And she says that she hopes it doesn't, um, the hope that it's given people that that
00:24:05.020
Of course it's going to change because it, it, you are showing people this romance that
00:24:13.640
everyone thought was real, that everyone thought was sincere and so wonderful that people who
00:24:19.280
the world may have counted out as past their prime can date and fall in love and be attracted
00:24:28.440
If you are getting a divorce this early on, I don't think that any of it was real.
00:24:32.660
Maybe you had some feelings for each other, but you didn't have that kind of real, solid,
00:24:43.340
If the marriage is already quote unquote dissolving, or they are just very superficial
00:24:49.440
people and nothing went actually wrong after marriage.
00:24:53.560
And they just didn't, you know, they were just used to living by themselves and they
00:24:57.620
realized, okay, we don't really want to do this.
00:25:00.280
It also, I feel like when marriage is in this quickly, it's like one person ended up being
00:25:14.760
I don't know which, I don't know which person it was.
00:25:17.480
I will say that Jerry had a very different background than what was portrayed.
00:25:24.880
It was portrayed that he was like a restaurateur, that he was a rich, successful entrepreneur,
00:25:30.560
and he just really wanted someone to share his wealth and share his life with.
00:25:40.980
He was not a wealthy or successful entrepreneur.
00:25:47.640
They just found him because they felt like we could give him a makeover, make him look like
00:25:53.020
and present him as some like wealthy, got it together guy when really he might not be.
00:25:58.180
Maybe he is a sweetheart and I don't know, this just didn't work out, which is a terrible
00:26:07.160
Or maybe they ended up being completely different people.
00:26:13.220
Teresa posted, don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened.
00:26:23.340
You're talking about marriage and you are like grandparents here.
00:26:36.840
This is not what we think about a covenant of marriage.
00:26:40.880
It does reflect, though, the popular notion about marriage.
00:26:44.660
I saw another couple that I followed one of them on Instagram saying, you know, we've just
00:26:49.560
decided to end our marriage, basically irreconcilable differences.
00:26:53.280
And while you never know what's really going on, of course, if there's like abuse happening
00:26:58.340
But irreconcilable differences, not being happy, not having the same feelings, having a difficult
00:27:06.200
time working out the disagreements that you have, trying to get used to living together.
00:27:11.200
None of these reasons come anywhere close to a justification for divorce.
00:27:16.560
And, you know, I was just thinking the other day about how growing up, and of course, when
00:27:21.180
our parents were growing up, there was such a stigma around divorce, whether you were Christian
00:27:27.780
And there can be goods and bads of stigma, but we've moved into this age when all stigma
00:27:39.540
We've actually inherited stigma, I think, from our ancestors, not like in an evolutionary
00:27:47.260
way, but we've just been taught that over time, that there should be stigma around certain
00:27:54.080
things, because when something becomes prevalent, it's bad for you, and it's bad for society.
00:28:04.400
Of course, there are some biblical exceptions, some biblical reasons for divorce.
00:28:11.800
And God still hates divorce, because what God brought together, let no man separate, the
00:28:20.160
Again, I'm not talking about abuse, but in the vast majority of situations, marriage is
00:28:25.640
something that is supposed to be held onto, held together for life.
00:28:31.840
And this flippant Dr. Seuss quote, to react to a divorce is such the perfect description
00:28:41.840
of how America has destigmatized divorce, example of how we've destigmatized divorce, how we've
00:28:48.860
normalized it, how we even celebrate it, because we will lay absolutely anything down on the
00:29:08.220
We will leave the church that told us that something that was sin.
00:29:11.380
We will leave the marriage that was a little bit hard.
00:29:14.580
We will reject the friendships that were no longer convenient and comfortable for us.
00:29:21.080
We will stop doing all of the things that require discipline and self-control and self-assessment.
00:29:28.180
And instead, we will pursue only that which is convenient and comfortable and serves us and
00:29:35.980
And we are absolutely filled to the brim with our own happiness.
00:29:46.460
Isn't that interesting that we choose the easy way out and it makes us happy in the moment
00:29:52.400
and then we end up lonely, miserable, and suffering?
00:29:57.120
And this is the whole lie of like this self-love happiness is the utmost goal trend that has
00:30:06.440
completely taken over our culture over the past several decades, that we are constantly told
00:30:14.960
that if you just pursue what you want in any given moment, finally, you will be liberated from all
00:30:30.600
And it's just a lie because what have we always said since I wrote my, wrote my book about this
00:30:37.420
in 2019, um, the self can't be both the problem and the solution.
00:30:43.040
So if inside yourself, you are finding depression, misery, anxiety, dissatisfaction, discontentment,
00:30:52.420
you are not going to find the solution to those things in the same place that you are finding
00:30:59.080
You are not the solution to, you are not the answer to everything that you are looking for.
00:31:06.640
All of that is found outside of ourselves, namely in our creator, who alone can tell us who we are
00:31:13.040
and what we are worth, who alone is the source of happiness and fulfillment for which we long
00:31:20.660
and that we are trying and failing to find, uh, everywhere except for where it actually exists
00:31:29.500
And so when that happens, when we all worship the God of self, we end up normalizing and celebrating
00:31:37.060
things like divorce, adultery, um, even a surrogacy, reproductive technology, abortion,
00:31:45.260
anything that serves our wants, and it doesn't matter what we sacrifice in the way.
00:31:52.200
And so, I mean, this is sad for a lot of reasons.
00:31:59.060
I mean, I don't know if I want to say funny, but like, oh my gosh, I can't believe the golden
00:32:03.120
bachelor has already gotten a divorce, but it also is just like a sad commentary on how
00:32:09.040
we view marriage and the family and relationships, um, in the United States and probably not,
00:32:17.820
Also, like when you look at the fact that there was a lot of money involved in this, you kind
00:32:25.160
of see that there were probably some superficial motivations behind getting engaged and getting
00:32:30.180
And then when it no longer served them financially, they got a divorce.
00:32:35.320
Um, as the series lead, he may have been, uh, Jerry, it says, may have been paid north
00:32:42.020
of a hundred thousand dollars for the season, which I actually would have thought that it
00:32:48.760
Uh, Teresa, as the winner, made off with a princess cut diamond engagement ring worth,
00:32:57.660
Um, the first ever televised bachelor reunion way back in 2003 was a 3.6.
00:33:11.380
And they were also paid a million dollars, uh, to get married on camera.
00:33:18.760
I think Trista and Ryan are actually still, still together.
00:33:23.040
Um, and so we just don't know how much they were paid.
00:33:25.600
They could have gone through with the wedding because they were paid for it.
00:33:29.120
And then they got a divorce because it wasn't, it wasn't helpful anymore.
00:33:49.340
Brie, should we talk about Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner and their childs?
00:34:10.720
Um, Jennifer Garner and Ben Affleck, they're one of many celebrities that have a child now,
00:34:21.000
a daughter, 15 years old, Serafina Rose, uh, who has come out as quote unquote trans.
00:34:28.760
So this, uh, she, we were going to use she, but there are some outlets that will use he,
00:34:37.100
um, came out, like introduced herself by her new name, Finn.
00:34:41.780
When she spoke at her grandfather's memorial service in early April, this was recorded.
00:34:47.940
Um, and so the video has been making the rounds.
00:34:52.880
Then read chapter 16, verse eight from the book of Proverbs.
00:34:55.220
Better is a little with righteousness than a large income with injustice.
00:35:00.080
Um, so you probably know Jennifer Garner and Affleck.
00:35:04.940
Um, they have, uh, three kids together and they split in 2015.
00:35:21.660
Whose 16 year old daughter also uses gender neutral pronouns and has become close to Finn
00:35:35.140
JLo first publicly introduced her daughter's pronouns to a crowd at the Ellie Dodgers Foundation's
00:35:40.700
Blue Diamond Gala, where they both performed in June, 2022.
00:35:44.620
And it's so obvious that this is a social contagion.
00:35:47.980
Do you have anything else to say about that, Brie?
00:35:50.980
No, I think it's just like so convenient that both Jennifer Lopez's daughter and Ben Affleck's
00:36:09.800
And it's also just a coincidence that all of these celebrities, all these other celebrities
00:36:15.640
have children who are very confused and deceived about their gender.
00:36:22.860
This is Jamie Lee Curtis and her daughter, Ruby.
00:36:29.580
I dare you to look at this person and say she, her, um, who as an adult decided that
00:36:37.020
he was, um, a woman and Jamie Lee Curtis has been very defensive of him as, uh, as a woman.
00:36:44.620
And then we've got Charlize Theron, who I think is one of the most, was maybe one of the first
00:36:49.680
celebrities that I saw, um, dressing up her adopted sons that she adopted from Africa in
00:37:01.540
How was this not a bigger deal when this was first happening?
00:37:05.540
Like, is there not some, like, I don't know, someone out there who is, like, a racial activist
00:37:13.380
who can at least say that it's crazy to adopt boys from Africa and then turn them into girls,
00:37:27.000
Theron announced this, uh, announced publicly that, uh, her son, Jackson, is actually a girl
00:37:35.540
at seven years old, claiming he had told her three years prior that he was really a girl.
00:37:42.060
So, when he was four years old, okay, four-year-olds can be really smart.
00:37:54.560
Like, as a mother of a four-year-old, a brilliant four-year-old, I know that they're, like, let
00:38:03.900
My mom has this plant in her backyard, and my mom was telling my four-year-old, this is
00:38:11.900
a mosquito plant, and that, of course, it keeps mosquitoes away.
00:38:16.500
Well, my four-year-old, the next day, was explaining the plants to my two-year-old and
00:38:22.940
was going around and explaining all the different plants and what they do, and she pointed to
00:38:28.640
the mosquito plant and said, and this one's going to turn into a mosquito.
00:38:35.460
But she did not understand that that is not what my mom meant when she was saying this
00:38:42.080
So, at the same time, kids are, like, brilliant and awesome and learning so much, and they also
00:38:50.280
And so, when Charlize Theron's son said, I'm a girl, he probably was just saying something
00:38:58.320
He probably was saying something that he saw in a movie.
00:39:01.760
In a book, if he even said it, by the way, that is the more charitable reading.
00:39:06.400
The less charitable reading is that she is a sick freak with Munchausen by proxy who just
00:39:13.020
wants the attention and the satisfaction of kind of, like, being oppressed and having a
00:39:24.840
I mean, abortion, yes, because you're murdering them.
00:39:28.760
But then, okay, if they actually survive the womb, you're going to try to transition them
00:39:35.000
into the opposite sex, which, of course, is living a lie and leading them down a path of
00:39:50.000
And then who kind of was, like, looking gender fluid at one point, but who has since publicly
00:39:59.920
dressed a lot more feminine, which is interesting.
00:40:06.560
You've got several other celebrities whose children just very spontaneously and completely
00:40:15.660
organically have decided to identify as the opposite sex.
00:40:19.880
And, of course, I don't think it is spontaneous.
00:40:22.680
I think that it is when you have parents who are either pushing this on you or who don't
00:40:27.100
supervise what content you are consuming and who think that a child is in charge.
00:40:33.520
And who think that a young child has some kind of, like, special knowing about who they
00:40:39.500
And they don't have a good moral worldview, that the body actually matters and indicates
00:40:45.900
And it can't be changed by declaration or identity.
00:40:48.720
When you have a parent who is just, like, completely morally lost, and then these children
00:40:55.140
are victims of the culture, which says you can change your gender, that's how this is
00:41:04.240
Maybe they will be turned back into the right direction.
00:41:08.980
But just another example, you should never, ever, ever look to celebrities as your moral
00:41:16.980
They are very lost, very confused, very broken.
00:41:21.760
Like, that's been like that for hundreds of years.
00:41:23.960
Like, if you look at old Hollywood and you read about some of their lives and how broken
00:41:28.360
and sad and really, like, morally destitute they were, I mean, there's something just
00:41:33.500
very, very dark about Hollywood, probably even beyond what we really know.
00:41:40.160
All right, Brie, I don't know if you have anything else to say about that.
00:41:42.960
Is there any interesting factoid that I missed on this?
00:41:45.300
There's no interesting factoids to add, but I will just say, you already touched on it,
00:41:49.800
but specifically with Ben Affleck and Jennifer Lopez and Jennifer Garner, it just, it makes
00:41:57.360
me sad because you can see the pattern of like, like, we know what Ben Affleck did to Jennifer
00:42:03.540
Well, maybe there's more to the story, but he cheated on her with a nanny and those kids
00:42:08.560
knew that and they see that and, and these are just the repercussions of broken families
00:42:16.420
On top of all the Hollywood stuff, that probably is just piling on top of it.
00:42:22.740
That's a really good point is that that can cause destabilization, trauma, drama that would
00:42:28.620
make a kid try to like figure out who they are.
00:42:33.740
And when you don't really have any guidance on that, I also think that parents who have
00:42:39.060
broken up their marriages, they suffer from some guilt and their thought is and desire
00:42:46.180
is, I just want to do whatever makes them happy.
00:42:51.760
And if their child comes to them as like, this is what will make me happy.
00:42:57.400
And I love, I mean, I like Jennifer Garner, at least from what I see.
00:43:05.320
And I'm sure she, I'm not saying like she is a bad mom, but yeah, it just makes me sad.
00:43:13.180
Makes me sad for the kids who are so clearly lost.
00:43:22.940
We'll end the week on that and then people can be upset.
00:43:41.380
So there are just several more stories of pit bulls, um, mauling people and attacking
00:43:51.620
other dogs, ruining lives as many pit bulls do.
00:43:56.320
And so I'm going to go through that and then I'm going to remind you of why it is the breed.
00:44:13.700
After being mauled by three pit bulls at a house where she was visiting.
00:44:17.660
Apparently these pit bulls had caused several incidents, chasing kids down the street.
00:44:28.260
Nothing had been done because it's very difficult to do anything in these situations.
00:44:35.900
Um, one, if you live in a more liberal area, many times it's just, um, they believe that
00:44:43.040
they are being compassionate by not taking away dogs from their owners.
00:44:48.600
Also, like this is kind of an awkward thing to say, but you'll see many times it comes down
00:44:54.480
to like this weird social racial justice issue because a disproportionate number of pit bulls
00:45:00.140
are apparently owned statistically by black and brown Americans.
00:45:04.020
And so they will claim like that taking away the dogs or targeting these dogs is also like
00:45:10.540
an attack on particularly quote unquote marginalized groups.
00:45:14.400
And so it becomes this weird, like social justice left, right issue, which it absolutely shouldn't.
00:45:20.580
But politics always comes into play in these issues.
00:45:25.680
Um, there was also like, you'll remember, remember the, um, woman that I had on, I think
00:45:31.480
it was about a year ago, whose pit bulls, um, attacked and killed her cows.
00:45:39.440
And how awful that was, uh, in the state of Arkansas.
00:45:42.660
And then the local prosecutor was so corrupt and it ended up being like this weird accusation
00:45:48.840
of like racism thing going on because one of the owners of the pit bulls who had gotten
00:45:58.740
And so it like ended up being this like weird race thing.
00:46:03.040
And it was so hard for her to get any kind of justice or accountability for her, uh, for
00:46:09.800
And so who knows that could have been what happened in this story, but authorities didn't
00:46:14.900
There was also a pit bull breeder mauled to death by his own dogs in Compton.
00:46:23.920
And, um, he was, he went into their pen to feed them and then he was taken to the ground
00:46:31.220
and mauled to death, which is absolutely terrifying.
00:46:35.240
I also saw just a story just the other day, award-winning children's author, Rosanna Murray,
00:46:40.800
73, had her arm and ear ripped off after being mauled by three pit bulls in Brazil just the
00:46:48.840
Also just the other day, Florida pit bulls tore apart a vehicle.
00:46:52.520
This is, I saw a video on Twitter about this, uh, tear apart a vehicle in pursuit of a cat
00:46:59.320
that was like hiding in the undercarriage of the car.
00:47:04.660
And these pit bulls tore this car to shreds to try to get this cat.
00:47:11.380
And then I saw also just the other day, um, a, a pit bull at a dog show attacked a Siberian
00:47:22.280
Now here's the thing about this, because I always hear it's the owner.
00:47:28.180
I guarantee, especially this pit bull at the dog show was well taken care of and well loved
00:47:38.160
Remember a couple of years ago when the pit bulls in, um, a family home in Nashville mauled
00:47:46.020
two children to death and mauled the mother to the point to where she was in the hospital.
00:47:51.600
I mean, this was a normal family who had these puppies, had these dogs from puppyhood.
00:48:00.860
They were defenders and advocates of pit bulls.
00:48:04.180
These dogs, they said were a part of their family, loved very well, snapped and mauled
00:48:11.320
It's crazy how people get so irrational about this and believe that pit bulls are the only
00:48:19.920
No other breed starts with a, uh, a blank slate like shepherds heard.
00:48:34.940
There are all different kinds of dogs, terriers, beagles, hounds that are bred to do certain things.
00:48:45.160
Some are better than others, but they are made to do.
00:48:49.920
And have been bred to do over years and years of breeding to do what they are inclined to do.
00:49:04.600
They were bred to hunt hogs and to be able to latch onto a bull and not let go.
00:49:14.840
They were not the dogs that took care of the babies.
00:49:19.240
They have been bred for years and years and years to fight.
00:49:23.360
They have been bred to hang on to really strong and really heavy animals to latch onto their jugular and to not let go.
00:49:32.340
Don't tell me your story about how your chihuahua bit you and it really hurt.
00:49:36.880
Don't tell me your story about the one golden retriever that became rabid one day and like nipped at your child.
00:49:49.060
I do think that pit bulls have a disproportionate number of irresponsible owners because they can be bred to fight.
00:49:57.120
I know your pit bull is so sweet and so kind and you allow him to feed oatmeal to your newborn every morning.
00:50:12.900
And not only are they aggressive, but they bite to kill.
00:50:16.160
That's the difference between the pit bull and the chihuahua.
00:50:20.580
The golden retriever is probably not going to maul you to death.
00:50:23.340
The pit bull, if they bite you, they're not just biting you.
00:50:29.040
Remember that skateboarder who had her mouth ripped off by the sweet pit bull a couple years ago?
00:50:35.220
That was her cousin's pit bull that she knew was really close to.
00:50:38.580
Again, had been raised from puppyhood and was so kind.
00:50:41.600
Latched onto her mouth randomly in the kitchen.
00:50:56.580
There has been enough loss of life for us to say, nope, no more.
00:50:59.900
I'm not saying we should euthanize all pit bulls.
00:51:03.580
It should be illegal for the protection of human beings who matter more than animals, right?
00:51:16.760
If you need something else to kind of like rile you up and make you angry, but also help
00:51:22.300
you just connect the dots and help so many things make sense for you, you've got to watch
00:51:30.740
And it explains exactly how politicians go into public service, not rich at all, and then
00:51:36.920
leaving having a net worth of like millions and billions of dollars.
00:51:43.200
What is this corrupt process that our taxpayer dollars are funding?
00:51:47.440
This documentary explains all of it in a really compelling and interesting way.
00:51:51.740
If you go to AllieOriginals.com, you can use code AllieOriginals.
00:51:57.380
You'll have access to this documentary as well as all of the Blaze Originals.